Fraud Friday: LulaRobbed!: The Lawless Legging Company w/ Georgia Hardstark

Summary

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Scam Goddess – Fraud Friday: LulaRobbed!: The Lawless Legging Company

Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Georgia Hardstark (My Favorite Murder)
Date: January 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This Fraud Friday episode of Scam Goddess dives deep into the infamous multi-level marketing (MLM) scheme of LuLaRoe, the notorious leggings company that swept through suburbia promising financial independence to stay-at-home moms—only to leave thousands in debt and covered in moldy, bizarrely-printed leggings. Comedian and podcast legend Georgia Hardstark joins Laci for a hilarious but scathing dissection of the “Lawless Legging Company”’s rise and fall, peppered with banter about cults, scams, and that ever-present hustle for the almighty dollar.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scam Confessions and Gullibility

Laci starts by asking Georgia about her history with scams. Georgia claims she’s mostly an “observer,” though she considers herself “really gullible” and easily swayed by self-improvement products.

• Georgia (03:51): “I’m actually shocked I haven’t fallen for a scam yet… I'll buy the subscription.”
• The hosts bond over buying dubious beauty products and the “cult of botox.”

2. Listener Scam Mailbag: Nude Blackmail on Grindr

Laci introduces “What’s Hot in Fraud,” featuring a letter from “Skyler,” a gay listener who narrowly avoided a sextortion scam on Grindr.

• Key Segment (07:39–17:56):
  • Skyler is targeted after swapping nudes; the scammer screenshots his Instagram connections and threatens to send compromising images unless he pays $300 in iTunes gift cards.
  • Instead of complying, Skyler “leak[s] them to get ahead of it,” informing his friends and diffusing the scammer’s leverage.
  • Notable quote:

    “That’s the thing about blackmail. Okay, so are you gonna do the blackmail? You’re not gonna get no money, so. Right. You just gonna do it to be mean?” – Laci (16:13)

  • Both hosts emphasize: “Never pay a blackmailer—because the requests will never end.”
  • PSA: Take precautions with nudes—avoid faces, tattoos, or identifiable marks.

3. Historic Hoodwinks: The Rise and Fall of LuLaRoe

Main Segment (21:02–61:16)
Laci introduces the most requested scam story ever: the saga of LuLaRoe. Laughter and astonishment ensue as they break down this uniquely American tale of leggings, cult tactics, and MLM madness.

a. LuLaRoe Origins & Business Model

• Founded by DeAnne Brady and Mark Stidham in 2012, named for grandkids Lucy, Lola, and Monroe.
• Started as parties selling cheap maxi skirts; rapidly expanded to the MLM clothing empire.
• Georgia (28:32): “Naming your company after [your grandkids]… that’s cute—if your company’s not a scam.”

b. Family Business—Cronyism and Inexperience

• Key roles filled exclusively by DeAnne’s adult children and their spouses, regardless of relevant business experience.
• Notable joke:

  “You know it’s a scam when you start putting your family on the payroll… That’s what Bernie Madoff did.” – Laci (32:26)

c. Consultant Onboarding & Cult Mentality

• Buy-in: Minimum $5,000 to $6,000 in inventory to become a consultant—huge risk for the average family.
• Consultants encouraged to “pawn their vehicle, stop paying bills, even sell breast milk” to afford buy-in.

  “I was urged to stop paying my bills, pawn my vehicle…sell that titty milk.” – Laci (41:12)

• Consultants had to buy inventory sight-unseen—the company selected prints, resulting in unsellable stock and “poop leggings.”
• Gaslighting: Consultants blamed for poor sales (“Your inventory’s not stale—you are,” a direct quote from the company owner).

d. Compensation Structure & MLM/Pyramid Scheme Features

• Downline bonuses favored recruiting over actual sales.
• Only top 1% made meaningful bonuses; most lost money or went into debt.
• Sudden change in structure (April 2017) shifted payouts based on actual sales, not purchases—bankrupting many lower-level consultants and sending massive waves of departures.
• Georgia (47:05): “In the documentary, the [owner’s] son literally says, ‘We have to make this not be a Ponzi scheme.’”

e. Quality Issues: Pattern Disasters & Moldy Inventory

• Designers forced to churn out new prints daily, often copying from Google Images or making careless, NSFW pattern placements.
• Leggings were often paper-thin, moldy, or sun-bleached due to rapid expansion and storage mishaps.

  “People were getting wet, moldy leggings… [T]hey’d be told: ‘Put it in the oven for a few minutes, it’ll get rid of the stank.’” – Laci (55:33)

• Lawsuits filed for defective products and refunds denied.

f. Lawsuits & Legal Battles

• Over 50 lawsuits: Allegations of defective products, fraudulent business practices, and running an illegal pyramid scheme.
• Suppliers, notably Mydior, also sued for millions in unpaid invoices.
• LuLaRoe countersued for $1 billion; eventually settled for $4.75 million.
• The company is still in business (as of 2021, with far lower startup fees), but thousands of ex-consultants left in debt and trauma banded together in Facebook support groups.

g. Notorious Moments

• Cult-like conventions and lavish parties with stars like Katy Perry and Kelly Clarkson.
• Anecdote: Two of DeAnne and Mark’s adopted children married each other; the company breezes past this in their infamous documentary.
• Many consultants lost relationships, homes, and financial security.
• Some ex-employees claim they “can’t forgive Kelly Clarkson” for singing at the event.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Georgia (03:51): “I’m really gullible. I’ll buy all the things… so I’m actually shocked I haven’t fallen for a scam yet.”
• Laci (12:05): “That’s not how blackmail work. Like, I send you $300 now, then I’m gonna have to keep sending you every time you feel like you want to send my bootyhole [pics].”
• Laci (44:53): “He would gaslight these poor women and be like, ‘Your inventory’s stale. No, you’re stale.’”
• Georgia (47:05): “The [owner’s] son literally says, ‘We have to make this not be a Ponzi scheme.’”
• Laci (55:33): “They were told: ‘Put it in the oven for a few minutes, it’ll get rid of the stank.’”
• Georgia (53:05): “They have 14 children, and two of them got married—to each other!”
• Laci (60:33): “There’s a woman who says, ‘I love LuLaRoe, I’m gonna sell LuLaRoe ‘til I die.’ Still.”

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Scammer of the Week

(61:44–67:29)
Laci shares the cautionary tale of Carla Wilbone, who unknowingly participated in a daisy chain scam involving fraudulent checks, remote “job” offers, and a woman strung along by a five-year online-only boyfriend.

• Carla is instructed to deposit a fake check and forward funds along—classic check scam.
• The “boss” is also scamming a Michigan woman, who for five years has sent money hoping her online boyfriend would return from Europe.

  “Online boyfriend of five years… Those two words don’t go together.” – Georgia (64:10)

• Both women are left “heartbroken and out thousands of dollars.”

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Guidance & Takeaways

• Never pay a blackmailer: Paying only perpetuates the threat.
• MLMs are predatory: If you must invest to earn, it’s probably a scam designed to benefit those above you.
• Avoid jobs asking you to handle or forward money: This is classic check fraud territory.
• Be wary of online relationships that never materialize in real life.
• LuLaRoe is still functioning, with much lower buy-in—but it’s still an MLM, and “the leggings are probably still ugly.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:44 – Georgia’s relationship with scams
• 07:39–17:56 – Grindr nude blackmail listener story
• 21:02 – Beginning of LuLaRoe “Historic Hoodwinks” deep dive
• 28:32 – MLM family drama and leadership structure
• 35:02 – Consultant buy-in and cult tactics
• 43:38 – Shady sales tactics; “Ugly/unsellable” leggings
• 44:53 – Gaslighting victims in the business
• 47:05 – Internal panic about being a Ponzi scheme
• 55:32 – Leggings quality disaster (“put it in the oven” anecdote)
• 61:44–67:29 – Scammer of the Week: Check scam and online relationship scam

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Resources & Further Listening

• “LuLaRich” documentary (Amazon Prime)
• Waiting for Impact with Dave Holmes

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Where to Find the Hosts

• Georgia Hardstark: @hardstark on Instagram; puppy & kitten account “Cookie and Moses”
• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms; host of “Scam Goddess,” Black Lady Sketch Show (HBO Max), and iCarly (Paramount+)

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As Laci says:

“Rate, review, subscribe… and stay schemin’!”

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so good to be here. I'm obsessed. Obsessed. I'm so excited to talk about this. My favorite topic. Scamming. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. And I just want to say, like, your yalls intro is also one of my favorites. People always comment on the intro of our podcast. I say our like, it's not me, but my podcast. I was like, it's a congregation.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And legally, you always need a collective us to point back to, you know, like, I don't know who did that over there on my podcast.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Must have been us.

[Lacey Mosley]

By us. I'm including everybody. But I love yalls intro. It's so chill. It's like, my favorite. I'm like, oh, I know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Karen did it. And she, like, did it as a. Like, a first draft. And I was like, great. That's it. Let's do it. She was like, okay, yeah, easy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's how it happens. It turns out, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Well, Georgia, I have to ask you, do you have a relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? What's your vibe with scams?

[Georgia Hardstark]

As far as I know, thank goodness, I'm just an observer. I haven't been scammed. But the thing is, I'm really gullible, so I'm actually shocked. And maybe I just don't know that I've been scammed before, but I've definitely done the little things where, like, I. There was one time where I. I applied for a job that I really, really needed and then came back, and they were like, great, but you have to be in line with the Church of Scientology if you want this job. Little things like that. That. I was like, okay, no, but I'm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sure you said, no. I would have said praise.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I guess I didn't need it as bad as I thought I did. But I am really gullible. I'll buy all the things. I'll do all of that stuff. So I'm actually shocked. I haven't fallen for a scam yet.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. So your phone algorithm really listens to you. It's like, oh, girl, wait till you log on the app next time. Yeah, okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'll buy the subscription.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You say that that's the best, like, vitamin C serum in the world. I'll buy it. Like, ridiculous.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll rub them creams on my face. Listen, I will rub a cream. Okay. Any kind of. Like, it's Going to keep me moist, keep me young.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, Please, God, yeah. And I. And I do. I'm like, the scam, maybe, or the cult of Botox. The cult of Phil. Like, I'm just there. I'm there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why not? I love it. I split. I spend my evenings slathering myself in cream. So I'm right there with you. Whatever they say is going to work, I'm like, yeah, put it in my veins. Where does it go?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Between my toe. It's gonna make my toe look younger, y'. All. Promise? Okay, Give it to me. I'm trying to get my Wiki Feet up, by the way. Y' all, please go give me 5 stars on wiki Feet. Cuz your girl.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That is my obsession. And my husband gets so upset with me because, like, I post photos of. I have a. My cats have an Instagram account, my puppy. And they're always sitting on my feet and looking adorable. And so I always post these photos. And he's like, you're. You're like, asking for it. And I have a wiki fee.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I have.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know, man. Like, that's the one thing where I'm like, yeah, I. You know, I'm self conscious about a lot of things, but I'm like, my feet are fucking cute. Like, that is the thing that I'm like, okay. It's okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

You better have some popping toes, right? My feet are not cute. My feet are not cute. My feet look like I've been dancing in bricks, you know, doing the cha cha on glass. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm shocked that I have a decent score. It's like four and, like a little sliver of the fifth, but y' all go run it up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know everyone. Five stars for Lacey and Georgia, please, on Wiki Feet Rate. Review. Subscribe to our Wiki Feet.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I guess I should tell you to do that to the podcast. Please also rate the podcast. But also feet. But also feet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But more importantly, feet.

[Lacey Mosley]

Feet. No. Okay, so we. I love when we get a guest on that says that they're, like, a little gullible. Also know that that is a free advertisement to the congregation and they will try to rob you. They try to rob me all the time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I give you my Social Security number.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And your driver's license as a funny bit. It's hilarious.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sing it. Sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just want you to sing a song. Do you know your Social Security number?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can you sing that one, one, eight seven seven. Cars for Kids.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Cars for Kids has always disturbed me why is it a K in front of the cars?

[Georgia Hardstark]

We never need that.

[Lacey Mosley]

We don't need the kids in the cars. Where the cars going?

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. Give children cars.

[Lacey Mosley]

Give children cars. Yeah. So let's get into our first segment. This is called what's Hot and Fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about a popping scam and the zeitgeist. And more often not, we get a letter from one of y' all in the congregation. As always, snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is retired so we don't. What? Yes. Up your bag. Scam Got his pod at gmail dot com. And I need a fake name. Georgia, we don't care about gender.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. Skyler.

[Lacey Mosley]

Skyler. Oh, I like that. I like Skyler. Goes. Goes with anything. Goes with anything. So Skyler. Skyler says I'm gay and grateful. Okay. Amen.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's great.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's not how he wrote it, but that's how I'm going. Said I'm gay and grateful. Amen. So I'm gay and grateful because today I did not get scammed, but an attempt was made. Oh, and then also some nice stuff. Oh, you're really sweet, Skyler. Okay, so on to the scam. Skyler says. So I was being a little thought today, minding my business on Grindr, talking to boys, when this beautiful man hit me up. He. He was hot, but not so hot that I was thinking he was out to get me. Okay, so medium hot. Medium. I get that one.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like a guy hits on you and he's so beautiful and you're like, what are you doing? That's me. At least. Like, my self esteem probably isn't high enough that I'm like, a, like, model would hit on me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is that terrible? No, no. Honestly, like, if you too fine. That's too much. I gotta think about your fine ass leaving the house all the time and the throws of people throwing themselves at you. I like medium ugly.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, I'm cute and quirky, but I'm not a model. And I am aware of that. So, like, what are you. Yeah. Not. Not okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's hard, though. I once dated a really aggressively hot man and he was dumb as a rock child. He thought Atlanta was a state. I'm not even playing. Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Listen, when you didn't struggle a little bit as a child because you had some awkward years and you don't, you never had to, like, build up your personality in your brain, you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

You had to read books, you're sexy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Everyone gave you everything. Why would you try, Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Why would you hide that sexy ass face behind a book? You gotta hold them up to your face.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, everyone just wants to see your face.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ugh. Must be nice. So. So he's like, okay, he medium hot. He doesn't look like he's trying to scam me, right? So we chat for a few minutes, and he sends me nudes. Okay, well, this is Grindr, so I know y' all really don't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it just.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've been with people for years. They ain't getting a picture of my booty hole. That's reserved for Mark Zuckerberg.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's reserved for whoever has to fix my phone at the Genius bar. Who gets to see the, like, tasteful nude, you know, it's not like a. Like a nip. Whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that for you. I really don't send nudes just because I remember this one guy who always wanted me to send him a nude. And so one time I took a picture of my face and then I drew a stick body on it with some big old titties in the boot. I was like, here you go. This is close. You gonna get Hell, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love, like, I love the turning down of the nudes. Once in a while, when I'm bored in bed and my husband's watching tv, I' send him a funny nip. Like, a funny one that's spicy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I like that. Keep the relationship spicy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then I forget to delete it. Smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Then your phone is very not safe for work.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love it. It always comes up when you're, like, looking for something with friends and like, hey, hold on, let me record my neck.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then it's like, oh, nothing. Auntie George is fine. Don't worry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Your nephew was like, auntie Georgia, you got games on your phone. He opens it up. It's just one nipple. Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

You want to play Roblox? Instead, he got some Auntie Nip. I mean, hey, it's natural. Free the nipple. So he sends the news. At this point, I'm like, all in. When can we meet? He asked to see some more pics of me, so I sent him my high quality finest naked photographs. Then he asked me for my number so we can exchange videos. Okay, well, damn. Why don't y' all just meet up at this point? You gonna send the whole porn over? Free porn, right? They got a hub for that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is where it all went sideways. My phone lights up with 20 plus photos from him. So I opened the messages. Ready to see some ass? Nope. I also love the way you wrote this, Skyler.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's great. That's a great writer right there. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

He went to my Instagram, linked on my grinder and screenshotted. Screenshot and.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

He screenshot all the people I follow. No. Yes. And was now sending me all the screenshots of those as well as screenshots of my nudes and our chat, threatening to message them all of this unless I sent him $300.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, that's just like, that simple.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, I don't. That's not how blackmail work. Like, I say you $300 now, then I'm gonna have to keep sending you dollar time. You feel like you want to send in my booty hole to my.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's what I've never understood is, like, they still have it, and if you're willing to do 300, then you're probably willing to do more.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. I feel like this will become a regular occurrence. Like, hey, if you don't want this booty hole going to your auntie, hey.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm a couple bucks short rent this month. Remember how I own your life. Okay, so what happened? I have, like, this is my biggest nightmare. Like, not that I send out this kind of thing, but, like.

[Lacey Mosley]

But right. Extorting you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it says they didn't just want $300 in cash, but a $300 iTunes gift card. Now, now, why you bring Steve Jobs into this?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's like you just. What is. Yeah, you just need to download Motown Philly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what are you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You need singles. I don't understand.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm trying to be ready for the new Rihanna album whenever it drops.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Like, I have nothing to work out to lately. So can you. Oh, my God. Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I need some movies for the airplane. So E. $300 in an iTunes gift.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I was like. So the person said, I didn't have $300 to give. I was like, okay, this is messy. But one, I don't have $300 to give to. They were good news. Leak them to get ahead of it. I did post on Instagram what was happening in case any of my friends got unsolicited nudes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The gag.

[Lacey Mosley]

A couple people offered to send me money to see my nudes. Scammers. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

See, this is exactly what I always thought is, like, get ahead of it. Post the photo yourself. Make a joke about it. Like, who cares about. It's a naked. Like, everyone's trying to hook up. Everyone Knows how hard it is, like, these days to hook up. No one's gonna judge you because you sent a nude or a video to someone you thought was hot. Like, who cares?

[Lacey Mosley]

Especially if they were good tasting nudes. Right? Yeah. And this happens to celebrities when they hack their phones. Like, I've seen, you know, celebs, like, leak their own news because they're like, it's going to come out anyway. Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just don't see the big deal about it. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's just the body.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I'm not trying to have my pussy on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

On.

[Lacey Mosley]

On Beyonce's Internet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Absolutely not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm not, like, volunteering in any way on here. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

She know how to get on the Internet now, so I can't be having all that. But.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And that's why you just need to make sure you have tasteful nudes. You know, nothing. You wouldn't want your grandma.

[Lacey Mosley]

And don't put your face in it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, that's a great point.

[Lacey Mosley]

Or tattoos. Any identifying markings, and you can easily go on airbrush and wipe out a mole or something that would give it away to you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, you're good. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you've been doing this for a while, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, I don't send news, but if I did.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. You've heard it all.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he was like, all right, whatever. Right? You. The scammer got me some coins. So he texted me from four different numbers for about 30 minutes before going silent. So clearly he had given up. He said he was going to ruin my life. Life by sending them. But it's just my naked body, and I'm not ashamed. And thankfully, I have no professional contacts on Instagram. Please let your LGBTQIA+ congregation know to be careful sending nudes on Grindr. People are messy out there. Thank you for the show. Oh, thank you. And more. Nice stuff. Love you, Skyler.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, that is. That's a triumph story, you know, Right? That's, like, twists and turns and I. And, like, it comes out as a happy ending. And, like. Yeah, and you're, like, good enough that other people want your news. Nudes, like, I, I, I applaud you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Skyler must be fine. Skyler must be fine because the girls weren't DMing him. Like, oh, my God, Skyler, that's so dry. I'm so sorry. They were like, okay, so is he gonna send them to me or should I. Can I just pay to get them now?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I feel. I feel like you've now found your next hookup. In your friend group, it turns out you have friends that have crushes on you this whole time.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Or Skyler, get the only fans popping. Clearly. That's a fans.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Do it. Oh, I'm such a champion for that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? I'm so happy for him. This is a great ending. But Scammer just gave up and didn't do the blackmail. Because that's the thing about blackmail. Okay, so are you gonna do the blackmail? You're not gonna get no money, so. Right. You just gonna do it to be mean?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's probably, like, all day, and it's, like, worth a half an hour each. And if it's not gonna happen within a half an hour, move the on. Or you're like, you're. You know, time is money. It's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I was finishing returns.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. This is his job. He's probably on there. He's like, all right, eight hours long. Grinder, here we go. Hitting everybody up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, that's sad.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I will say that, like, even though I think that this is a scam that could definitely work for anybody of any sexual orientation, you should all be very careful sending your news. There's something very particular about Grindr because it's a place where, you know, a lot of mostly gay men get on and gay men move different than the rest of us. Like, they'd be like, all right. Hi. How was your afternoon? Here's a pick of my hole.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it's refreshing. Yeah. So I think that. That your point of take out any identifying features is, like, the way to do it. Some super not anti nudes, honestly, like, do your thing, but, like, take out identifying features. That's so smart. Like, all they want is a dick pic, so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. And I'm not saying there aren't conservative, good Christian gays out there. I'm just saying the one the people will be on Grindr be there to grind. They like, okay. It says you actually 27ft away from me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you in the apartment next door? A little jafar.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So sorry now. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I love this for you, Skyler. I'm glad you didn't get scammed and you stuck to your guns. We always say this on this show. Y' all don't do the blackmail. Why? Because once somebody blackmails you, guess what? They gonna keep blackmailing you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now it's black FedEx. They gonna be doing it every day.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The post office is out at this point, and it's FedEx. And you're right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can black ups, honey. They come in. What can. What can brown do for you? What? Blackmail?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so scary out there, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's also like, how would you know? Because that's a typical conversation on that app. So you wouldn't even think like, oh, this is weird that they sent me news so fast. You just be like, hell yeah. Like, and they look good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, damn. I'm sorry. Sorry to that sexy man that she didn't get your blackmail. But I'm sure you got a few other people that day.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

It's time for my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwinks. Oh, Georgia, you just really brought some light to. I had a long day of work and I'm just so excited right now to be with with you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm so happy to be here.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is like to be with you on the Internet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The coolest, the coolest topics, the coolest podcast. Yes, thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, guys, y' all have been dming me, tweeting me, emailing me. I think I got a letter from the postman as well about this. You might have hit up my mama. Damn. Okay, we're talking about Lularoe. You wanted it, we got it. Leggings. Pumpkin spice. Leggings for all. Okay, so today we're talking about iconic leggings company and clothier Kalen Clothier.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is that a word?

[Lacey Mosley]

Shout out to my researcher, Kaitlyn Brand. Clothier. Am I even saying that right? Is it clothier? Clothier sounds funner. Clothier. Y' all will tell us it's a fake.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Whatever it is, it's fake and I don't buy it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love it. It's fancy. I'm sor saying that. Yeah, I got these for my clothier. Can't get this shit everywhere.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. Oh my God. This is. I'm really excited about this because I don't know a lot about it. I don't know if it's. I feel like I have missed out on a lot of these multilevel marketing scams because I'm not friends with anyone I went to high school with because I hate the town I grew up. So I left and was like, goodbye. Like not even on Facebook. So I really don't get like, I don't get sold these things.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. Not even on Facebook. Look, I let the girls from high school see me on Facebook and I have Instagram just post automatically. I was class president, so I had to throw the 10 year reunion. And while I thought of the reunion and child, I was so damn tired. I had went to Texas, looked at the video with my vp, Also best friend, shout out to Shereen. But then I didn't realize that when I booked my flight off cheapoair yeah. Dot com. They. I thought it was booked. I don't ever open flights when they come in the email because I'm like, I need to be able to find it later.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the night before, I'm packing my little bag to go down here and see the girls, and I. I realized the flight confirmation that I thought was a confirmation was actually cheapo, being like, oh, hey, girl, we actually don't got that flight no more. Your car wasn't charged.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That is not an email. That is a phone call. I'm sorry, can you call.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can't be, like, confirmed, and then you shoot me an email.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nobody opens their emails from the flight.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's like sending me a letter, talking about, girl, your house is on fire. Like, I think you need to talk to me a little quicker than that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But see, you are popular, like, in Texas, too. I feel like you can be. I'm from Orange county, and I. And I hated it. And so I don't talk to anyone from there anymore.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, see?

[Georgia Hardstark]

O.C. i hate it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't talk to Lauren anymore.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't talk to Elizabeth with a Z. I don't talk to Elizabeth with an S. I don't talk to Elizabeth with a fucking. Whatever. I don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

So with a J. We don't know how. It's silent. It's just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Don't worry about it. It fucking works.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's rich.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So I don't know a lot about Lula.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lula. Lularoe. Yes, Lularoe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm excited.

[Lacey Mosley]

So. Yes, I'm excited, too. But yeah, that little tangent, like, so my high school friends, I was not popular in high school. I was. And there is a difference. I just ran everything. So that's why people knew me. Yeah, I was a prom queen. I was over there, like, getting the tiaras together and making sure the votes was in, you know?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, that's way better.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I said all that to say the reunion thing, because it's funny that you said, like, okay, you don't fuck with the OC people. When I didn't make it to the reunion, my best friend Shereen put me on FaceTime to be like, oh, to the thing. Oh, my God, no. And why did she put me on FaceTime? If somebody from high school was in a baby talking shit about me, they're like, so she just playing this whole thing and she couldn't even bother to show up. And I'm like, holy shit.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuck that. In high school, it's high school all over again 10 years later, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And now. And now I'm on TV a little bit, so they think I'm going Hollywood. I'm like, honey, no, we haven't. I just. I'm dumb enough that I didn't book a flight. I know a little bit. A little bit. Georgia. I know you do. I'm sure your hometown be like, yeah, I know Georgia. Yeah, we had fifth period together.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm not gonna lie. Every time, like a girl, a lovely girl comes comes up to me in public and it's like, I love your podcast. Every time I get giddy because it does. It's like a cult. It's the best.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is. It's also shocking to me because I probably get recognized more for my podcast than anything I've done on tv, which I'm always like, but y' all don't see me on there. But I guess I do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know, Isn't it weird? But it's because they. They know you like your personality, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love y'.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love when y' all come up and say, what's up? So, guys, to Lularoe, because I know some of y' all are screaming at the AirPods or radio or however the. You listen to this. Like, if y' all don't get on with ye. Stop it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Get you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I read two sentences and then we went on like a 10 minute tangent. All right, Lula, row. Maybe I'll put an episode marker in here so y' all know where to start. No, I won't do that. You'll suffer. So do not skip.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do not skip the pointless banter.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? It's good. So here we go. So Lularoe has been at the center of controversy for its business practices, product quality, and inability to take responsibility for its wrongdoings. The company, known for lavish employee creative cruises and star studded conventions has been sued over 50 times since its founding. I'm surprised I haven't been sued more.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's actually not that many for a huge company.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, and click on that star studded conventions, because I'm trying to see. I want Georgia to see what these leggings is giving because, honey, yes, please. They're giving Party City. They're giving Halloween.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is actually a little video of one of the conventions. So I want you to see a little bit of this video of the convention because there's very much a cult like atmosphere. Like, why do they look like they about to do a concert? Is this about to be a Beyonce concert? Why are y' all on this stage with this lighting Scary.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She looks scared a little.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they also wrote in celebrities and we'll get to more of that. But like they would have these conventions and they would have celebrities come and perform. So I think Katy Perry came. Kelly Clarkson.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which if you're talking about middle America, white women. Oh, they, they got the right ones. With Katie and Kelly, there was crying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In the audience for sure. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Since you've been gone, everyone's singing along.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm selling leggings for the first time. I mean, the amount of money it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Probably takes to book that level is like ridiculous.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I think Katie was like five mil. Jesus.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right. So they're doing good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They're doing good, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

My dream is to be booked on something. It's run by scam artists. I'm like, my check cleared, My check clears.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, definitely. That's does.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I will do it because I've done some shady bookings. Like I remember one time I paid a ridiculous amount of money for 20 minutes of work for a tech company to come in and play with a ruler that I needed to figure out how to open.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that was it. And I thought, maybe I'm gonna get murdered when I go. Or maybe they gonna pay me. And I still went.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's like it was at a win. Oh my God. Yeah. Make. Make the money. You know, my dad always says there's no shame in a paycheck, so please do. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, get the coins. So the beginning of the company. Lularoe is a wholesale clothing company known for their eccentrically patterned leggings and multi level marketing operations. So the company was founded by Deanne Brady and her husband mark Stidham in 2012 and it's named after their three grandchildren, Lucy, Lola and Monroe. Those are good names. Those are cute. That's a cute.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I like like naming your company after that. That's cute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now if your company's a scam, now, you don't rush a grand babies in it. What do you gotta do? Why are they in it? Why are they in it now? You saw those leggings. Georgia, can we get those leggings back up? Because I need to assess like, I don't mind them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They're not stupid.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so right now we're looking at some leggings. I can't tell what's on these leggings. Is it cake? Is it a three layer cake?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is like, okay, yeah, they're very 80s. They're very like what we wore in the 80s, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then we got one that's like purple and pink and yellow, and it's giving NASA logo.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's giving Jazzer signs.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And then we got one that looks like it's got pink pizza on it. I don't know what that's supposed to be.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think those are cakes too. But it does look like pink pizza.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. And the girls are flexing. They. They got one leg out. Like, bam. Look at these leggings. You hoes could never. Or you could join us and never get out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right.

[Lacey Mosley]

The company that would become lularo in 2012 basically started when Deann moved from buying clothing wholesale to sell at dress parties to designing her own maxi skirts. So she was going down to the Santee alleys or to, you know, wherever you can get your little hookups, you know, you can get your bootleg Kylie Jenner lip kit that will burn your mouth. She was going there and she went. And I saw this in documentary. And she was like, oh, these dresses are so cheap. And they look just like the fancy ones from Macy's, you know? And so she was like. Like a light went off. She was like, I'm gonna buy a bunch of these.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I'm start slanging them. I'm start throwing some parties. I'm have some accoutrement. I'm gonna have, you know, a little hoarder for the girls. And I'm a slang these dresses.

[Georgia Hardstark]

A chocolate fountain. And come buy some dresses for over. And come buy some dresses.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is how she dipped her toe. Then she started designing maxi skirts. Okay. So her maxi skirts immediately became popular with her friends, prompting Deanne. Or yeah, Deanne. To officially start her own business. So she started with a little maxi skirt. All you got to do is connect one piece of fabric to the other. Bam. You got a skirt.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is the most simple garment you could probably create. I could do it, and I don't know what I'm doing on the sewing machine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It was like she started by making scarves. She cut out a piece of fabric and wrapped it around her neck. Very intricate.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Very hard to do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Complicated.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in January 2013, Deanne and Mark filed for an LLC and eight months later opened their home office in Corona, California. According to one of deanne's early dress party hosts, she was asked to join Lularoe immediately. But one of this is a quote. One of the many reasons I didn't want to join in the beginning was because Deanne seemed unorganized and honestly a little unstable.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, well, it all come. It all Adds up. It all adds up. Also, can I point out Orange county it Corona is in Orange county, if I'm not mistaken. So this is all adding up to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

So these are your homegirls. Girl, if you stayed on Facebook, you could have some bomb leggings right now. By bomb, I mean they would just have bombs on them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right? And I would be in debt and massive, massive debt.

[Lacey Mosley]

You could have a skirt, Zachary.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I could have had a maxi skirt, a mini skirt, a midi skirt.

[Lacey Mosley]

Georgia, you played yourself. You could have been all types of skirts right now. What are you doing?

[Georgia Hardstark]

If only I'd been popular.

[Lacey Mosley]

Taylor. So Deanne's son Kenneth was made VP of sales. Her daughter Amelia was made brand ambassador. And Amelia's husband Justin was made chief marketing officer. And deanne's son Jordan was made head of leadership and culture development to name a few of the family employees. So do you want to guess how much experience and training they had in any of this?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm gonna guess zero.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And also, you know it's a scam when you start putting your family on the payroll because they're the ones who really can't say because they got skin in the game. That's what Bernie Madoff did. He was like, hey, y' all come work for my Ponzi. I mean business.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, no. This is just like, it's like, it's like 101 of how to set up a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Gotta keep it in the family.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, yeah. And I, we, it's so funny because we just finished watching the Righteous Gemstones for the second time and it is like all love that exact same stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because family can't snitch, not in this capacity. If your check is a tie to the crime, right? Like you can't snitch.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're part of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're part of it. So when Lularoe launched their trademark leggings in 2014, the company exploded. Oh, did time. The product was the company company's biggest selling point. The leggings were comfortable, affordable, fit a wide variety of body types. It's like a moo moo for your legs. And it came in a near endless variety of patterns. Consultants purchase inventory directly from Lularoe at wholesale, meaning they own the inventory and kept the profits. They then sell the clothes on Facebook, marketplace or at clothing parties. In March 2015, the company had 1,000 consultants brought in by social media campaigns promising full time income for part time work. Come on, stay at home moms. Make a little mad money so you can leave your man so. And the freedom to stay home with your children. Yes. So by 2016, the company had over 60,000 consultants and were earning more than $1 billion in revenue. Wow. Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

On leggings.

[Lacey Mosley]

On leggings, bro. And like this was a good time for leggings because this is when all of the girls, including myself, were in our pumpkin spice era, I believe. I was in college and I was definitely, you know, giving a legging and a ugg.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was gonna say those look good together.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. My first year of college I dressed up for class and everybody thought I was so weird I would wear heels to class. I was an insane person.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You were like, this is where heels in high school, this is my life. And that's then, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And then I was, yeah, sophomore season, I was like, oh nah, I'm about to be a sweats. I'm gonna roll out of bed 10 minutes before I'm not taking a class. If attendance is wade into the grade.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely not.

[Lacey Mosley]

So many of the early consultants were stay at home mothers making little income and were enamored with the possibility of changing their lives, selling clothes and being clothier theirs. So becoming a consultant. Once Lularoe began taking on more consultants, they put a greater emphasis on recruitment, team building and building current consultants downline.

[Georgia Hardstark]

See this is where it gets ugly and gross and sad, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Downline, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is where everyone gets, I think.

[Lacey Mosley]

A downline, if you guys don't know, refers to members who have joined the program under the consultant, whose referrals and sales generate income for those in their upline or people above them. So in order to join the company, consultants had to pay the buy in fee, which meant at the lowest, which was like basically the lowest tier, you had to purchase 5,000 to $6,000 worth of inventory at the minimum.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That is so much money. Like that is your family, everyone giving you, you know, some startup fee. Like that is not a small chunk of change for like, like you know, a housewife and fucking wherever the shit you know that makes you so Sad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like five GS, especially in Middle America, like do a lot with five GS. So let's look at the initial order packages here. We got package one. Oh, okay, so total of pieces, you get 290 pieces and it costs you $4,925.75. That's $0.75 is disrespectful. Like $0.75, what is that for? So initial order package two, you get 390 pieces and it's 6,007, $6,678.50. Again with the change. If y' all don't round this off. And then package three, if you really trying to get robbed.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

That is 515 leggings.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's almost like each of these packages are like, how many friends do you think you really have?

[Lacey Mosley]

Have? It's like, how popular are you exactly? Oh, how many people can you rob? Are you a Libra? You should probably go with the 515.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How much do you hate your friends and family and want them?

[Lacey Mosley]

Because you got a lot of friends.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then for the last. The. The least expensive package, for some reason, it's at the bit the bottom, but it's 105 pieces, and that's $2,000. $2,047.25.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's an add on. So you can. You can't even do that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, that's an add on. Damn. So you got to get that with the package number three.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, there's no. There's nothing under, like, we do it by zodiac sign.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like, are you a Gemini? You should start small. Are you a Scorpio?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It would be like, you absolutely shouldn't do this. You're a homebody and a little agoraphobic and you kind of hate people.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'll start small. Leo's. We already know y' all gonna go big.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cancers also need to start small. I'm a Cancer.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If you're a tourist, get the biggest package you can.

[Lacey Mosley]

Biggest package. Cuz you got a lot of friends. Friends.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And you're a great talker, so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And you're a good caretaker. People just buy them cuz they think you care about their legs. You know, like, get them. I'll do the L, the Lular Zodiac breakdown for you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love it. I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Robbery.

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[Lacey Mosley]

And fraud. So in order to afford the onboarding packages, Lularoe and those in the Consultants upline encourage taking out loans, asking family members for money, taking out credit cards, and even slanging breast milk. What?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, go for it. That's if you can actually spend money doing that. What if they're like to everyone, even women who don't have babies, like just sling that breast milk. All right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Like girl, why you letting that titty milk go to waste? To the baby, put him on Similac and slang that titty milk open Your.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Baby an LLC and start selling them milk. Oh my God, this is so it remind. Honestly, it reminds me of when I was trying to plan my wedding and you know, we paid for herself, there's no money. And I'd call venues and one venue was like, it's this much money, which was so insane. And then I was like, okay, do you have anything lower? And they were like, well, we would suggest asking your family for money. And some people like, don't tell me how to rip my family off for my fucking wedding. It was just such a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, do we have any cheaper packages? No, but what we do suggest is that you hit up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We think your family's rich like everyone else is. So go ask them for it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh my girl, you had to sell that titty milk. Okay, Like Catherine, you're still pumping your son's eighth. Yeah, I need this money for Lularoe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. I gotta pay back that add on package. I really shouldn't have got that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gotta sell this black market titty milk. Okay. So according to one woman, I was urged to stop paying my bills, to invest in more inventory. I was urged to get rid of my television. I was urged to pawn my vehicle. They said, girl, you ain't got nowhere to go, right? You selling these leggings, what do you need to drive to?

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right, that's right. Don't take your kids anywhere. Just stay home and sell leggings.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get them involved. I love an employed child. Tell them to slang them leggings at recess.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Those tiny hands, they can work real fast.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh yes they can.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Surprised?

[Lacey Mosley]

So when ordering, retailers could pick styles but not prints, meaning they would be stuck with ugly, unsellable prints that they could make up like a large percentage of their inventory. So basically you're ordering stuff, you don't know what you're going to get. Their upline would encourage them to buy more inventory as a solution. So if you got a bag and then you opened it and it was all like, poop leggings. You like, I can't sell these poop leggings. They're like, well then you need to buy another box. I. You better buy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

People play sell your car, sell your titty milk and get. And then maybe next time you'll get the cool ones, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Girl, this is Lularoe. You only need one kidney. Figure it out. So, and that's a perfect part of the scam too, because you can't blame the company. Well, the company actually use this as a good part of Their scam, which was like, people like, oh, I'm not selling these leggings because they're ugly. And they would be like, no, you're not selling leggings because you're ugly. Get out there and sell them leggings. And it's like, no, if your inventory is different from everybody else, it also impedes you calling up your other Lularoo homegirl and being like, girl, I'm not moving these leggings because you don't have the same product. So how are we gonna. It's not apples to apples. It's not like we're all selling Mary Kay and we all got the same cream. Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. And you blame it on the person selling when really you. You gave them a fucking shitty product. It's not their fault.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that's what they would do. And they showed it on the documentary is like, especially the husband. He would gaslight these poor women and be like, your inventory. Stale. No, you're stale. And that's a quote. They were stale.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, I hate him.

[Lacey Mosley]

He told these poor women they were stale. How you gonna tell me? I. Oh, my.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then, like, what? That's the thing about these. Like, once you're in it, you can't admit you're wrong and back out because you still owe your family money. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you're in a cult. So you're also, like, selling yourself as like, oh, I'm popping on my own business. Woman. Girl, boss. Like, you don't want to tell people, like, I have a. I have a room full of leggings. Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I got scammed. I got scammed. You can't say that because there's a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Little bit of shame sometimes in scams. So, like, you don't want to tell people that you got Lular robbed. So you just gotta keep going.

[Commercial Announcer]

So.

[Lacey Mosley]

So initially, Lillero's compensation structure was order based, meaning the upline would make bonuses depending on how much inventory their downline ordered, not sold. Right. Consultants would be forced in a vicious cycle of technically bringing in a lot of money, but then immediately spending it all on inventory. In 2016, LuLaLo's heyday, the top 1% of LuLaLo retailers made over 100, $150,000 a month in bonuses, while the bottom 70% made zero.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that's a lot for like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they started encouraging the people who were consultants and, you know, the clothiers.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were like, don't focus as much on selling the leggings as getting more People to sell the leg.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's where they're making the money. Money, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then people are like, it's feeling like a scam. No, no, no, no, no. You're just making more people be able to live their dreams after a five thousand dollar small investment.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right, right. Oh my God. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you know these likes were cheap as hell. So it's like the return that LuLaRoe's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Getting.3 cents each, I bet you like to make. Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Insane.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in April 2007 or 2017. Excuse me. LuLaRoe abruptly changed their compensation structure from being based on how much downline was buying to how much they were actually selling. So in 2017, the scam girl started to feel like it's giving MLM.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And in the documentary they have a video of the son or somebody who works at the company who's related to the parents. And he was like, okay, guys, we have to make this not be a Ponzi scheme. Like, he's saying that. So he's like, how do we it so that it's not a Ponzi scheme? So I was like, bro, so y' all know you should not have said.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That out loud, dude. Like, and not on video.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, idiot.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If you said that out loud, you clearly are a scam gonna be on 4K.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, okay, so our current business model is crime. Right? So let's pitch around. Like, who? How do we make it not cry? Yeah, Judy, go. I feel like that's not how you do that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

So consultants that had previously made $3000 a month in bonus checks suddenly made 500 to $1500 on a larger SC losses of tens of thousands of dollars. Consultants began to leave the company in masses, dropping from 60,000 in 2017 to 37 or 35,000 by September 2018. Now what I also have to say about this is like, remember, they started with a thousand consultants. A lot of people are selling on Facebook. They've risen to 60,000 consultants. And we're talking mostly middle of America here. The market is saturated to sell Legos. If everybody who come to the Lego party also slanging leggings.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. That's what. That's the problem with these things is that you get your family and friends involved and that means your family and friends don't need to buy it from you anymore. Right. Like, it just doesn't work.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm just so confused as to how we all supposed to sell leggings when we all sell leggings.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Who are we selling?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nobody else there's no one. You can't go supermarket to some random person. I'm like, do you want to buy leggings?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm DMing people on Instagram like, I got these leggings. They're like, I do too.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn it. You know anybody who's not selling them?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God, we're all selling. No, but I recruited everyone I know, so no.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in the same month, in an effort to stymie the hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of consultants, the company announced that they would offer 100% refunds and pay shipping for all unsold product should a consultant wish to leave the company. Okay, so, yeah, so this point, like, girl, we'll buy them leggings back. Like, we don't want to go to prison.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Federal prison. So, yeah, that's not cute. No. We now know.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Lularoe issued over $120 million in refunds and abruptly announced the end of the policy September 2017, five months after it was announced to be a policy without a time frame. So they said in the beginning, and I saw the documents, they were like, okay, we're going to give the girls refunds, y'. All. We're a legitimate company, and this is going to last forever. Right? And then after $120 million, they're like, it's over. It's canceled. Turn it off.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oops. Oops. Fuck. Fuck.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, no one actually knows how long forever is, so we've decided it's five months after we announced.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Listen, time is. Isn't linear. It's a flat circle. So this is the end.

[Lacey Mosley]

You call. You call them, they start talking like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. All right, so listen, the thing about time is. Okay, you got a sundial. Listen. Okay, so this is Lularoe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In ancient times, there was. All right, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

When we said no end date, we also meant. Yeah, it could end anytime.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The thing about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, it's hard to say goodbye to yesterday. That's a song.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's a reason it's a song is because it's true.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. So anyway, I'm gonna hang up now. Keep the leggings. So designers were being asked to make upwards of a hundred new prints a day, which resulted in stolen and poor quality prints. So we'll pull up one of these prints. So when I was watching the documentary. And this is something I love in a good documentary. Yes. So right now you're looking at leggings that have the Leaning Tower of Pisa in the crotch area of a Cisgendered woman. And it looks like her dick is hanging to the side.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It sure does. It looks like a dick.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, women can have penises, but I don't know if you want your penis on your pants as a woman, as a hot dog. Leggings things. They're hot dogs. And the. And the. The hot dogs are emanating from the vajayjay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They are. They sure. Those are not well thought out. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Oh, this one makes my coochie look like a mandala.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This looks.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a theme.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They've got a theme going of unwearable leggings.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It's giving. Bullseye. It's giving. Here is their vagina.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's very problematic.

[Lacey Mosley]

And. And what's great about this documentary is that they interviewed one of the designers. And I love when they just let people talk and give them enough rope to hang themselves. And she was like, yeah. I told everybody on the team, like, you gotta change an original design 20% for it illegally not to be copyright. So I was. I was judge mine up 20%. Change of color, move a pattern. But other people, they just got lazy. Start just stealing from Google Images.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God. My God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she was like, I was ethical. I stole people's designs and then I changed them a little bit.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. I can't. I did it enough that you can't blame me. However I am, everybody else was stealing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Stealing. I was just like, borrowing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Oh, my God. I can't wait. I can't wait to watch this.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also another note about these cruises, because I saw this in the documentary is my favorite part. There was a black woman only. There's very few black people involved in the scam because it was very much targeted towards, like, stay at home, suburban white women. Yeah. And their circles. There's a black woman who had got pretty high up and was invited to go on the cruises. And she was like, yeah, I never went on those cruises because I couldn't be on a boat full of white people in the ocean. And I was like, yes. For someone's making sense.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also in the documentary, they talk about how. So the founders of this Deanne and her husband, they're Mormon. They have 14 children, and two of them got married. Married to each other.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wait, are you kidding me?

[Lacey Mosley]

Now that's no shade on Mormonism. These people are just weird, Right. And they adopted children. So they were like, oh, well, they were adopted. So they not technically like brother and sister, but they got married. They got a baby Passover in the documentary. Like, it's nothing. Like, yeah, two of our kids got married. Anyways, back to these leggings. What in the actual.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Are you like, I don't want to. I never kink. Shame. However, this is not a kink. That is incest. Like, what the.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm like. It's like, are the siblings like, yeah, that's my nephew, cousin, or what would that be?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Some sisters and brothers. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's my nephew and also my brother. I don't even know the math on that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's making like, if that happened, there's some shady shit in the family already. You know what I mean? Like, you don't. That is not okay. And you're taught that's not okay from a very young age. Yeah, you don't even need to be taught that. Which means there's something going on in that family.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's giving, but also, it's like, they have 14 kids. They running a whole crime business. Like, when did they have time to spend time with these kids? No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. They absolutely didn't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Guys, love is out there. You don't know. Could be your brother.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Don't overlook. Listen, when you're on Grindr and you accidentally swipe on your brother, it's okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Have you thought about dating your brother, though?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Are you actually saying.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm just saying don't. Oh, I was like, absolutely not. I'm just saying don't leave anything out. Love could be right there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Asher has been off the table since the day I was born, and I am so okay with that.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's cause you never gave him a chance, Georgia. I didn't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're 100% right. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's all you. You could be looking at love right in the face. Face. So complaints were also issued for paper thin garments that tore like tissue. Moldy leggings that were shipped and sold soaking wet, or sun bleached shirts left out in loading yards. So this happened because luluru started expanding really quickly. And instead of, like, taking the time to make sure that they were doing things right, they ran out of room in their factories or their, you know, warehouse for the leggings. So they start putting them out outside. And somebody was like, hey, Deanne, I think it's raining today. Oh, it'll be all right. They in cardboard, right. And there's some plastic in there.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wrong.

[Lacey Mosley]

People were getting wet, moldy leggings. And then when they got these leggings, they'd be like, huh, that's so weird. They were wet. Well, they would give them advice. They'd be like, okay, well, if you put it in the oven for a few minutes, it'll get rid of the stank on it. And then you can slide slang it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So instead of even moldy leggings, they wouldn't let you return. They're like, are the leggings moldy or are you moldy? Maybe if you were selling faster, the leggings wouldn't have time to grow. Mold.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. Mold is really in these day. All the clothiers are.

[Lacey Mosley]

Clothiers are doing it. Yeah, right. So continuing on. So From March to October 2017, six class action lawsuits were filed. And they were filed on behalf of customers across the country claiming that lulu laro was knowingly selling defective products to consultants and then refusing to refund them. Despite the overwhelming evidence and growing numbers of consultants filing complaints, Lularoe denied selling defective products or refusing to issue refunds even though they did. So is it an MLM or a pyramid scheme? In October and November of 2017, six more class action lawsuits were filed, this time alleging lularoe was running a pyramid scheme and cheating consultants. Consultants. Out of thousands of callings, Pyramid schemes are a model based off of a promise of compensation for recruiting others into the program versus a model such as a multi level marketing. Which multi level marketing are pyramid schemes? They get away with it because they're saying you're selling smoothies, right? You're selling vitamins.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You have to pretend that the focus is on selling something, not recruiting and.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But at least you're like pretending or putting up a front.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, but it's something that you can't really, you know, it's got that good legal gray area that we love. Yes, love a good legal gray area. So this is, you know, basically what their model is. Well known MLMs include Amway, which people call scamway, Avon, herbalife, and doterra. If you like essential oils. Listen, I don't got scammed by some essential oils. Like, yeah, give me that mint. This is like nature's cocaine. Just sniffing. And you're like, oh, wait, I mean.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Scam if you like it. You know what I mean, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't think it is. If you like it. I don't think it's a scam.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If you buy it. Yeah, I don't think it's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, I agree. I agree. So MLMs are legal because they have value in their product, whereas pyramid schemes are illegal because they have no products to sell. One example presented in a 2019 lawsuit showed that $6 million was being made in bonuses while at the same time there was a negative $160,000 in retail profits. Even after the change in compensation structure, 1 million more was being made in bonuses than retail profit. Surprisingly, when the product is moldy and ugly, it's hard to sell.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Who the funk?

[Lacey Mosley]

So lawsuits. November 29, 2018, my dyer filed a lawsuit in Riverside Superior Court alleging that Lularoe owed them more than $48 million in unpaid invoices, including to UPS, more than 1 million, a labeling company, a hundred thousand and a garment supplier for 3 million. So my dryer was the company who was cranking out these leggings. Oh wow. So Lularoe was like, run it up. And they were like, but you're not, you're not paying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like we'll get you, we'll get you.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the suit alleges that Lularoe ordered more product with the intention of defrauding my dire, knowing with their declining revenue they would be unable to pay for it. So they tried to get it on layaway, they tried to get it on Klarno. On November 15, 2019, LuLaRoe countersued My Dire for $1 billion, accusing the company of engaging in systemic years long scheme to defraud Lularoe by underd delivering and overcharging Lularoe for products. So they were like, you're suing us, we suing you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They are just unrelenting.

[Lacey Mosley]

They know how to gaslight even in legalese. Yeah, like we suing you because. Oh yeah. Cuz you know what you did.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

When they file a lawsuit, it just says they know what they did but you have to write it down. No, they know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, they know with the emoji.

[Lacey Mosley]

And we're suing for $1 billion and a little pinky next to the mouth. Like what? So the suit was settled for 4.75 million in February 2021. Since 2016, over 50 lawsuits have been filed. Like we said before, by mid 2021, LuLaRoe is still in business and had slashed startup costs by 90% to a STR tracked new retailers. So they are still scamming to this day.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm in. I'm in. Let's do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Many former consultants are still left in debt and poverty due to their time with Lularoe and many have banded together in Facebook groups in attempts to seek justice. Yeah, and I love this for them. I will say that in the documentary that I watched, there was a woman who Sells lularoe. And she was like, I love lularoe. I'm a sell lularoe till I die. Die.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Still, I said, not till you die. You gonna be in the casket with some leggings on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God. You're the pizza leggings. Selling it to the nursing home people that you live with.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, y', all, let me get some skulls on my burial leggings.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like you got anything classy for a burial.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yes. Well, she was dedicated. There were people who lost, like, their relationships, because Lunaro also tried to get. Get everybody involved. So they'd be like, oh, you retire your husband, was one of their phrases. They'd be like, you know, you could sell so much in these Legos, you can retire your husband. They would bring the husbands to the retreats. They would ask them about their relationships. Like it was a cult. They were really roping people in.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And there was this whole lifestyle, like, your whole life, your whole lifestyle, your whole family, your friends, like, it is a cult.

[Lacey Mosley]

And there was one disgruntled employee in the documentary who said that he couldn't forgive Kelly Clarkson for singing at a Lularo V event.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Don't bring Kelly Clarkson into this. She got her money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Kelly is a nice girl from Texas. She just came. They paid her to sing. She came and sang. It wasn't her fault. He was like, I still can't listen to her music. I was like, damn.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not since you've been gone. Sending you into a dark place. No. It's time for scammer of the week. And this week, and this is where we talk about, you know, a scammer that we love. Maybe we don't scam that we love. Maybe we hate. We'll see. This week, we're talking about Carla Wilbone of Chicago. Chicago. Of Chicago. She was looking for a job when she fell victim to a scam that was a daisy chain of other. I'm sorry. That was a daisy chain of other victims who were then unknowingly turned into accomplices. Seems like our girl Carla fell into a scam and then became an accomplice. So Carla had found a second job as a remote assistant to the CEO of a company called Hawkins Interior Design. Dime. Her boss immediately sent her a check for 2, 800, asking her to deposit it into her own account and then take out $2,600 in money orders to pay some bills for him. Oh, girl. Honey, this is an old one. It is, y'. All. Anytime somebody sends you a check for money up front for work that you haven't done or is like, hey, I don't have a bank account. Can you deposit this $5,000 and then you can keep a little bit of it for yourself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I have a friend's dad that. Because older people, it happens all the time. Happen to him. So sad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I know, and I hate it. Cuz the bank, if it's under a certain amount of money, they will be like, okay, girl, and now bank of America will only clear you for $300 no matter how much you put in. They're like, girl, we don't. Let's see if it clears.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We know you're stupid and you might get hoodwinked. So we're going to go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

We know your broke ass don't be depositing large sums of money where you get this. We're going to wait. We'll let you know if you can have have it. But you know, some banks, under a certain amount, they will let it clear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So by the time the check was discovered to be a fake by the bank, Carla had already sent money orders with the funds to an address in Michigan. Oh, honey. Also, this not how money work. No more. If it's checks to send, he could have sent the damn check. He got time to mail you a check, but he got time to mail them a check. The thing is, just don't trust anyone.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Don't trust anyone ever. Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And why was he giving you 200 out of it? Like you got to do things to do nothing?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. So that address turned out to belong to yet another woman who has chosen to rename Anonymous, whose online boyfriend of five years.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, you had me. An online boyfriend of five. Online boy. Online boyfriend.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Those two words don't go together.

[Lacey Mosley]

None of them words should go together.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Five years online, you're getting catfished.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I'm like, five years. I don't even want to pretend to be nobody. Boyfriend or girlfriend for five years.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, a real relationship for five years is almost impossible.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right at this. What point does it become a real relationship? Because I feel like five years. It's like, oh, my God, this man. This cat died. All right, hold on. I'll be with y' all in one second. Hey, baby, how. How are you holding? Like, what are we doing? So a woman whose online boyfriend of five years had recently told her to expect a few shipments containing payments for paintings that he sold. Why he not mailing them to his house?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Why? A lot of things.

[Lacey Mosley]

So through the. So though the Michigan woman never met her Boyfriend in person only communicated via text. She was used to following his request, believing that one day he might further their relationship. Relationship. All right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've been ghosted. I've dealt with boys and girls. Like, I get but five years, and you've only text this man.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And you're hoping why? I mean, that you just know, like, that sucks. That's sad. And you just don't want to admit it to yourself.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you really should. Sometimes we have to admit things to ourselves.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this particular time, at his request, the Michigan woman forwarded the shipments to another address in hopes that they would be the funds that would allow him to return from Europe so that they could live together. Okay, so now he's in Europe. He's like, croissant. Croissant. Yeah, sorry, girl, I'm in the patisserie. Like, what? Sorry about that noise, boo. So a few years prior to that, the boyfriend asked her to pay for his opinion. Open heart surgery.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God, girl. He.

[Lacey Mosley]

His open heart surgery.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, I hate him.

[Lacey Mosley]

And y' all just texted, I hate this man. So it turns out that Carla's boss is the anonymous Michigan woman's boyfriend. So he run all types of scam. He was like, hey, boo. It turns out the triple bypass, they actually need to go in because they only did a double. So they got to do one more. It's gonna be the same price, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

And no discounts. No discounts on them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I need it today. Otherwise I'mma be dead. And then you going to have a dead boyfriend. Is that what you want?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I never, ever move forward and meet in person and stop.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you want to kill me. If I'm dead, then we definitely not going to meet. And you, you know when I see you, girl, o. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a munch on your vagina. And I'mma take you to steak dinner, which somehow I can afford even though I don't have healthcare. I promise.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I promise.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Lord. He was running all types of scams. Unfortunately, now both women are heartbroken and out thousands of dollars and ad domino effect of scams. So I'm not gonna say that the woman who got a job that wasn't a real job is heartbroken. But you know, when you get robbed, that is sad. She. They're both sad.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it sucks. And you feel stupid, too, probably, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, it's humiliating.

[Lacey Mosley]

And how do you. Five years, you weren't like, send me a picture. Let's FaceTime. Like, we have all these.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's its own story. I'll to get like, how, girl, you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Need to go on Catfish and try to recoup some of these losses because five years. Years. That's too long.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Well.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right guys, that brings us to the end of the show. And as always, Georgia, we ask on the show, where would you like to be found? What do you want people to find you?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, Instagram at Hard Stark and then I have a puppy kit kitten Instagram at it's. Oh, I don't even remember Cookie and puppy and kitten. We got a puppy and kitten in the quarantine. It's Cookie and Moses.

[Lacey Mosley]

This Cookie and Moses. Yes. Get into that. People. People love a good animal account.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's pretty.

[Lacey Mosley]

I do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's pretty cute.

[Lacey Mosley]

I never not like a post. I'm like, yes, this is a dog. This is. I love this. All right guys. And as always, snitch on your friends and family at scam goddess pod gmail.com if you want to see all the photos of these beautiful coochie leggings. Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. If you want to follow me. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacy on all platforms as always. Wow. Blacklay sketch show all episodes streaming now on HBO. Max iCarly first season streaming on Paramount plus watch my things and rate my feet in the show. Five stars congregation stay scheming Scam Goddess this has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kaylin Brandt. Stay Scheming Eczema is unpredictable, but you.

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[Lacey Mosley]

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