Fraud Friday: Rent-A-Hitman Dot Con w/ Jamie Lee

Summary

Podcast Summary: Scam Goddess – Fraud Friday: Rent-A-Hitman Dot Con w/ Jamie Lee

Release Date: December 27, 2024

Introduction

In this episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley, also known as the Scam Goddess, delves into the intricate world of online scams with special guest Jamie Lee. The episode, titled "Fraud Friday: Rent-A-Hitman Dot Con," explores contemporary fraud schemes, historic cons, and the evolving landscape of online deceit. Throughout the conversation, Laci and Jamie provide insightful analyses, personal anecdotes, and expert commentary on various scams, ensuring listeners are both entertained and informed.

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1. Personal Encounter with an Instagram Scam

Timestamp: 04:31 – 07:03

Jamie Lee recounts her unsettling experience being targeted by a Craigslist scam while attempting to purchase psychedelic mushrooms via Instagram. Her story serves as a cautionary tale about the perils of online transactions, especially in the dark corners of social media marketplaces.

• Jamie Lee's Experience:

  • Initial Contact: Jamie needed to buy shroom gummies and found a now-deleted Instagram account named "Silo Delic."
    • Jamie Lee (04:31): “I was on the receiving end of a classic Craigslist scam.”
  • Payment Issues: She negotiated the price but was then asked for additional funds under dubious pretenses such as "insurance" and "gas."
    • Laci Mosley (09:15): "Danica's listening to her therapist. She thought the therapist said she would like shrooms, but..."
    • Jamie Lee (12:00): “This whole thing is stressing me out.”

• Red Flags Identified:

  • Unclear Payment Terms: Requests for multiple payments without clear justification.
  • Lack of Transparency: The seller's vague explanations about the additional fees.
  • Absence of Physical Interaction: Despite the purchase being on Instagram, the scammer exhibited suspicious behavior.

Conclusion: Jamie's ordeal underscores the importance of vigilance and skepticism when engaging in online purchases, especially for illicit substances.

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2. Historic Hoodwinks: The Rent-A-Hitman Con

Timestamp: 17:21 – 42:00

The "Historic Hoodwinks" segment dissects the infamous Rent-A-Hitman scam, highlighting how a seemingly straightforward website evolved into a convoluted fraud scheme that entangled both victims and unsuspecting parties.

• Origin of Rent-A-Hitman:

  • Initial Setup: Bob Ennis, along with a college friend, launched an IT help site in 2005 using the domain "rentahitman.com," intending it as a cheeky nod to website clicks ("hits").
    • Laci Mosley (21:33): “Number one on Google, you know, I put Hitman. Rent a Hitman's right there.”

• Escalation into Fraud:

  • Unexpected Inquiries: Over three years, the website began receiving over 350 emails, including serious murder for hire requests, innocent inquiries, and hoaxes.
    • Jamie Lee (34:31): “What does that mean, seeking employment?”
  • Law Enforcement Involvement: Upon realizing the nature of the inquiries, Bob collaborated with authorities, leading to the arrest of individuals like Helen and Wendy Wine for soliciting murders.
    • Laci Mosley (31:13): “In 2020, a 51-year-old woman from Michigan named Wendy Wine sent an email to Bob believing he was Guido Fenelli.”

• Key Features of the Scam:

  • Professional Front: Use of aliases (e.g., Guido Finelli), vague descriptions, and fabricated badges like "HIPPA" (Hitman Information Privacy and Protection Act of 1964).
    • Jamie Lee (32:14): “If you have pre-existing conditions for wanting to murder, that's between you and your hitman.”
  • Operational Details: Requests for detailed personal information under the guise of seeking hitman services, leading to legal consequences for both the scammers and the unsuspecting clients.

Conclusion: The Rent-A-Hitman scam exemplifies how fraudulent websites can exploit serious criminal intents, leading to unintended legal repercussions and emphasizing the need for critical evaluation of online services.

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3. Scammer of the Week: Azusa Gaku Yuki – The Fake Biker Persona

Timestamp: 43:23 – 54:18

In the "Scammer of the Week" segment, Laci Mosley and Jamie Lee explore the deceptive practices of a Twitter individual known as Azusa Gaku Yuki, who portrayed a young female biker while concealing his true identity as a middle-aged man using FaceApp.

• Profile of Azusa Gaku Yuki:

  • Persona Creation: A 50-year-old man employed FaceApp to alter his appearance, presenting himself as a youthful female biker on Twitter.
    • Laci Mosley (43:51): “He has been using FaceApp, the photo editing tool that drastically alters one's appearance...”
  • Public Exposure: The ruse was uncovered on the Late Show, where the production team revealed his true identity during a live segment.
    • Jamie Lee (47:06): “But it's like he must know, like after a certain point...”

• Psychological and Cultural Insights:

  • Desire for Popularity: Azusa's transformation highlights the lengths individuals may go to gain social media fame and validation.
    • Laci Mosley (44:45): “He altered his face...”
  • Internet Vigilance: The community's role in debunking false personas, as Twitter users detected inconsistencies in reflections within photos.
    • Jamie Lee (46:42): “He didn't edit his face in the mirror.”

• Impact and Reception:

  • Public Reaction: Mixed feelings towards Azusa, with some finding humor in the deception while others critique the superficiality it represents.
    • Laci Mosley (53:23): “He was altering his face... what he wants out of it is, like, being a hot girl on a bike.”

Conclusion: The Azusa Gaku Yuki case serves as a modern example of identity fraud on social media, reflecting broader societal obsessions with image and the lengths individuals will go to attain online fame.

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4. Analysis of the Diet and Cosmetics Industry as Scams

Timestamp: 48:17 – 51:24

Laci and Jamie briefly touch upon how industries like dieting and cosmetics manipulate consumer self-esteem to perpetuate their business models, categorizing them as scams due to their exploitative nature.

• Diet Industry Critique:

  • Manipulative Advertising: Ads target individuals with higher BMIs during late hours, capitalizing on their vulnerabilities to sell ineffective or harmful products.
    • Laci Mosley (48:54): “The entire scam of the diet industry is... making you feel bad.”

• Cosmetics and Image Alteration:

  • App Dependency: The use of apps like FaceApp and Facetune to alter appearances perpetuates unrealistic beauty standards.
    • Jamie Lee (44:23): “Face app is a hundred percent a scam.”

Conclusion: The discussion underscores the ethical concerns surrounding industries that manipulate self-perception for profit, advocating for greater consumer awareness and critical engagement with such products.

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5. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: 54:18 – End

As the episode winds down, Laci and Jamie reflect on the pervasive nature of scams in various facets of life, from online marketplaces to social media personas. They emphasize the importance of skepticism, due diligence, and community vigilance in combating fraud. The hosts also promote upcoming content, such as Jamie Lee's new Netflix show "The Wedding Coach," and encourage listeners to stay informed and cautious in their interactions.

• Final Remarks:
  • Laci Mosley (54:39): “Congregation stay scheming. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Teen Coco.”

Overall Conclusion: This episode of Scam Goddess masterfully blends personal anecdotes with historical and contemporary scam analyses, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of fraud mechanisms. Through engaging dialogue and expert insights, Laci Mosley and Jamie Lee equip their audience with the knowledge to recognize and avoid falling victim to various scams.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jamie Lee (04:36): “I was on the receiving end of a classic Craigslist scam.”
• Laci Mosley (09:15): “Danica's listening to her therapist. She thought the therapist said she would like shrooms, but...”
• Jamie Lee (12:00): “This whole thing is stressing me out.”
• Laci Mosley (21:33): “Number one on Google, you know, I put Hitman. Rent a Hitman's right there.”
• Laci Mosley (43:51): “He has been using FaceApp, the photo editing tool that drastically alters one's appearance...”
• Jamie Lee (34:31): “What does that mean, seeking employment?”
• Jamie Lee (46:42): “He didn't edit his face in the mirror.”
• Laci Mosley (48:54): “The entire scam of the diet industry is... making you feel bad.”

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Listeners can tune in to future episodes every Tuesday for new content and on Fridays for classic re-releases. Stay connected with Scam Goddess on all major platforms and join the "Con-gregation" to continue exploring the humorous and enlightening side of fraud. As always, Laci Mosley signs off with her signature phrase: "Stay scheming!"

Transcript

[Tim Allen]

Every day, our world gets a little more connected, but a little further apart. But then there are moments that remind us to be more human.

[Lacey Mosley]

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At Ameca, we understand that looking out for each other isn't new or groundbreaking.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's human.

[Tim Allen]

Amica. Empathy is our best policy. ABC Tim Allen and Kat Dennings star in the new family comedy Shifting Gears.

[Jamie Lee]

Dad, I'm broke, and I need a place to stay until I figure out what the rest of my life looks like.

[Tim Allen]

So a couple of days when his daughter moves back in. The last time you walked out that door, he looked back at me and gave me a double bird.

[Jamie Lee]

I was 18. The double bird was how I ended all our conversations.

[Tim Allen]

The wheels come off.

[Jamie Lee]

Can we try to talk to each other like rational adults?

[Tim Allen]

Have you watched the news lately? That's not a thing anymore. New Wednesdays, 8, 7 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's poppin, Congregation? It's ya girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Balt. That's right. Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay scheming scams. Cause robbery and Frau Scam Ca Rob Goddess. What's poppin Congregation? It's your girl. Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam God is back with another installment of. Yes. You know, it's Scam Goddess. And, guys, I'm very. What? Yes. Excited. You know, am I. I'm gonna have to switch this up. It's been, like, a year and a half. Are y'all tired of me? Probably. But, guys, I am super excited because we have a popping guest today. She's. You know it from things like girl code crashing, but also, she was in the room and Ted Lasso girl writing them jokes up. And it was very cute. And, guys, she has a new show coming out on Netflix April 7th. Guys called the wedding Coach, and you all need to get into this show. I'm really excited to watch it. Um, guys, we have Jamie Lee.

[Jamie Lee]

Hi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hi, Jamie. I'm so happy to have you.

[Jamie Lee]

I am so happy to be here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can I talk a little bit? Hold on. This background that you have, is that wallpaper or did you paint that?

[Jamie Lee]

Okay, so I think it's a sign. No, I mean, deep aside, I. Okay. Because I. I am so not a Decorator. And I'm staying in this, like, fully furnished corporate housing apartment right now in New York. And so they did this wall, and for the listeners, it's like, gray and white striped, and it's just very. A very deliberate accent wall. And it is. It's like, the coolest zoom background I could ever think of because I. I just don't. I'm not a good decorator, so I'm like, oh, this makes people think that I have my shit together. It's great.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. Yes. It's popping. I'm not a good decorator either. I went to Target and Marshall and quickly threw together a zoom background because I was like, oh, it's been a year. I can't just POD from my couch anymore.

[Jamie Lee]

I know. Now you have to, like, think about what's behind you. Think about the frame.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's. It's.

[Jamie Lee]

It's overwhelming, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's too much. Honestly, like, for any actors out there, this shit is a damn scam. Before, when I was auditioning for shit, they were, like, sending me, like, 14 pages of five different scenes and shit. I was like, so you want me to shoot the TV show? Like, come on now?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, in my apartment.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, in your apartment. Can you? Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

Apparently, I'm an actor and a producer and a director.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And they're so specific, too. They're like, okay, we want to see this part of your body. Make sure the wall's miss. Turn the camera that way. I'm like, uh, you're like, me? Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

You're like, thank you. But I'm pretty sure, like, I didn't even get the job yet. So I'm just, like, working for free. This is insane. I'm not your intern.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I've had people be like, so do you have any roommates who are actors? And I'm like, no, I hire people now.

[Jamie Lee]

Yes. They're like, can you do the casting for us? We're. We're tapped out. We don't have anyone left.

[Lacey Mosley]

Would you mind? Yeah, just see who's around. Go in the hallway and find us some people.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, exactly. You're like, I don't work for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Jamie, do you have any relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? Scams? What. What's your vibe?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, I do. I'm anti scam. Hot take.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I like that. I like.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, I mean, I'm anti getting scammed. I probably. I probably am, like, in a weird sort of masochistic way, pro scam. Like, it's Interesting to me. Hence, loving this podcast. But I. I was scammed. I. I was on. On the receiving end of a classic Craigslist scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Where.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, I mean, that's the O.G. yeah, I basically. Okay, so I. It's. This is a very. I sound like this is gonna be a very long story. It's actually quite short. I had an apartment on the Upper east side with roommates when I was in my 20s. And there were just, like, a couple things that were going on in the apartment that were super weird. Like, one day the toilet seat was up in our downstairs bathroom with, like, pee in it. And, like, there were no men who lived in the apartment. It was just like three girls, and we're like, what is that from? And, like, no one had a boyfriend over. Like, we were all just like, why was the toilet set up? And. Yeah, and we were just kind of like, weird out by that. And then there was another day where, like, my roommate's towel was, like, balled up and soaking wet in the corner of the bathroom, and she was like, did you do that? And I was like, no. And then the other roommate was like, of course not. No one's, like, throwing your towel on the ground. And so we thought we had a ghost. And so as kind of.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ghost.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, we thought we had a ghost and, like, almost like kind of a bit with each other, but not. We found this person on Craigslist who claimed to, like, come to your house, and it was like a ghost hunter show, and they were looking for people to be on it. And I applied and they were like, we're coming over. So we. So we ended up having this person say, like, yeah, we want to, like, have you on our reality show and we're going to come to your house and. And, like, film you and talk about the ghost and, like, do a whole assessment, like. Like a ghostbuster, right? And the strange thing was, I don't know what they were getting out of the scam because they just kept standing us up. So we would be waiting for them to come over, and they're supposed to come over, like 6pm and then 6:37, 8 would roll around and they just weren't showing up. And so then we would email them and we're like, hey, what ended up happening? They're like, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, we're coming tomorrow night. And they just kept not showing up and we kept falling for it. And.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did they take money from you? Not at all. Nothing.

[Jamie Lee]

I was like, what is this? You're, like, pretending to Be a ghostbuster, but you're not gaining anything but just like. Like, kind of fudgeing with people's time. I don't understand what you're getting out of this. But anyways, I felt very scammed, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe it was kids, you know, and they were just having a fun trolling or something.

[Jamie Lee]

The emails were quite sophisticated. Like, they knew sort of like the ins and outs of production to a degree. So I was like, okay, like, this sounds like maybe it's for a TLC show or like, whatever other channel was doing reality back then. So. Yeah. Anyways, I don't know what ended up happening, but it was.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's so funny to me. I wish they would have showed up literally with, like, no cameras, just doing that, like, director thing with their hand. Now stand over there next to the wall. It's just like a long troll.

[Jamie Lee]

You're like, face the corner. You're like, oh, no, it's Blair Witch. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I want to know why they were doing this. This is so unfinished to me. I wish that they had come or at least tried to, you know, spray something. I would have come. I feel like ghost extermination is such a great profession. How you gonna tell me I get rid of the ghost? How? You don't know. You know?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. You don't know. It's actually. Yeah, you're right. And you could totally be like, I, I. I purged your house of the spirit. Like, you owe me 200. And I'd be like, well, I can't really contest that. I mean, I guess if, like, the pee doesn't show up in the toilet with the seat up, that means the ghost is gone. Like, I don't know. It was just that whole apartment was kind of cursed. I also fell down the stairs at one point, and. Yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's funny because psychics like to do that, too, but they'll, like, you have a curse on you, and it's going to cost $500 to lift it. And if you don't lift it, your mama gone die. So, guys, let's. Let's get into our first segment. What's hot and fraud? I love this dog. Jamie's got a big dog in the background. What kind of. It's a labradoodle.

[Jamie Lee]

There's two. There's a labradoodle and then this, like, schnauzer poodle mix that we rescued from China.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, from China.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. Right before the pandemic. He survived two pandemics.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Jamie Lee]

He's Incredible. Yeah, we love. They're very noisy. Yeah, he's a survivor. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, guys, let's get to our first segment, what's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the street. As always, you can email scamgottispodmail.com. just don't snitch on your friends and family before the sc. Scam is retired. We don't want to fuck up your bag. But, guys, today. Oh, Jamie, I need a fake name. We don't care about gender on here.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay. Danika.

[Lacey Mosley]

Danica. Okay, so Danica says I was scammed, and rightfully so. This is what optimism gets you when you're trying to buy psychedelics on Instagram. Okay.

[Jamie Lee]

Hey, my dogs barked at that. They're like, we're listening.

[Lacey Mosley]

Psychedelics. So it says, I've been going to therapy, and my therapist recommended I look into microdosing. Wow. I've never had a therapist.

[Jamie Lee]

Me neither.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've never had a therapist be like, and how does that make you feel? Okay. Okay. Have you tried shrooms? Right.

[Jamie Lee]

Have you tried staring at the wall and envisioning a portal?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Cause I think that could really help with your self esteem issue.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Jamie Lee]

I mean, I guess I have heard of microdosing being a thing people are doing, obviously, but I. Yeah. I've never heard of a therapist prescribing it in that way. That's. That is new to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I'm like, is your therapist also a scam? Because I don't know, I've just never had someone be like, you know, these issues with your father, they're really. They're really making me think of lsd. Like, I.

[Jamie Lee]

Right. Have you tried tripping? You're like, wait, what?

[Lacey Mosley]

Have you tried crack? Okay, I know they say it's whack, but honestly, in moderation, crack is very energizing.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, yeah. They're like, actually, crack has gotten a really bad reputation, but there are a lot of things you can do with it besides lose your home and your family.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Cool. Cool.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just don't get out of control. A little crack every Tuesday never hurt nobody. Micro crack.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, no big deal. No big deal.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mbd. So Danica's listening to her therapist. She thought. The therapist said, I thought that you would like shrooms, but Danika said that they're pretty hard to find, so I'm gonna have to try to figure it out. So Danica decides to look on the gram. She says, I have plenty of pleasant interactions and made plenty of Legitimate purchases. So this can't be much different. Buying some mushrooms. So after little to no research, I found a now deleted account that block, or maybe it blocked me, called Silo Delic.

[Jamie Lee]

Wait, can I say one thing really quick? I was thinking about this therapist. Sorry, I'm not. I can't get past this. If you are a therapist recommending mushrooms to your clients, better have a guy who, like, call James. You know, that's a good point.

[Lacey Mosley]

James. Send me on a wild goose.

[Jamie Lee]

Exactly. I. That. That is. I was just so stressed as you were talking about this. I'm like, wait, why didn't he help her find them? Like, doesn't he know someone?

[Lacey Mosley]

You are right. You're the therapist. If you prescribe it, you can't give me a script or at least a alley to go to, you know, make a connection.

[Jamie Lee]

Introduce over email, like, something thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

A formal introduction from your therapist to their drug dealer. Yes, something. Yeah. It's wild to make somebody go out and hunt for themselves to find mushrooms. You know what I mean?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. Loop us in. Loop us in.

[Lacey Mosley]

At least point them to a neighborhood. Like, they got a lot of Silver Lane. You're right. You're right about that. So Psychodelic is the name of the Instagram site and it's spelled P s I l o.d e l, I C. Allegedly, they maybe sell mushrooms. Let's see. But I don't know if the pages. They don't know if it blocked them or if they deleted the page page. So it says, I messaged them and they wanted to sell me 10 bags of Shroom Gummies. I talked them down to two for $130. They talked me back up to five total. Spent $325.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right. After the people at the agency in quotes said they don't deal in small quantities. So it. I've come this far. I'm in.

[Jamie Lee]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

You got a fake prescription from your therapist.

[Tim Allen]

Fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it says, I sent all this money through Cash App. Oop. That's a big scam app, guys.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cash App is for crime. When it's crime time. Cash App. I hope to have an ad one day. It's just me. Like, when it's crime time, Police on your back. Cash App. You know, I got it.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, I don't know much about Cash App, but yeah, this whole. This whole thing is stressing me out. Okay, keep going.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it says. Then the person tells me they need another $150 for insurance, but it's fully refundable. They say insurance for what?

[Jamie Lee]

I'm sorry, Drug insurance. What are we talking about?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's like, drug receipts. I've never got. Bought some illegal drugs. Somebody was like, thank you, come again.

[Jamie Lee]

Is that the whole point is, like, there's no trail. Like, well, what are we. Yeah. I don't even understand that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Jamie Lee]

What are you ensuring that it's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you gonna work right, or are you gonna ensure the package? Because I'm pretty sure you can't call USPS and be like, somebody lost my box of shrooms. And it's worth. Like, yeah, it sounds like you're making.

[Jamie Lee]

An under the table deal. Very over the table. And I don't see how that's good for either party.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It's a little weird. So they say it's fully refundable, which. Honey. Okay, so whatever. I bite. At this point, Danica's like, I'm down the rabbit hole. I'm gonna get these shrooms gummies.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

The goods should arrive in 24 hours. They say. Ten minutes later, I get another message asking for one more thing.

[Jamie Lee]

They asked me one more thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

One more thing. Since you already gave us the insurance money, I need $50 for gas.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gas is high. Gas is high. But I am confusion, because is this gas, like, you need to drive out to the woods to pick the shrooms, or this is gas to go to the post office, or are you gonna drive the shrooms to me? I am confusion. Also, you got the $150 deposit. You can't use the deposit to get the gas.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. What was the deposit for? And then also, it's like, if this is really how you like, let's just, like, give them the benefit of the doubt and say, this is how they do business. Like, you should just be really clear in what the money is for. Like, I need this for this. I need $50 for this. You should just say it all up front and, like, you'll sound way more legit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Also, drugs are never something that are prepaid. Like, you may definitely not on a phone. You can prepay.

[Jamie Lee]

You know, when you're right, this isn't like, your rent. Like, what are we. Yeah, you're not. This is not like, you and your landlord with, like, a deposit. Like, you'll get this back at the end of the year. Like, what are we talking about?

[Lacey Mosley]

What are you talking about? I don't even. Like, yeah, you're absolutely right about that. Like, what. In what case would I not get the deposit back, is my question. Like, what would I have to do for them to be like, well, we got to keep your deposit on the drugs. What?

[Jamie Lee]

But also, the whole point of getting, like, dealing with a drug dealer is like, they just, like, give you the stuff. Like, there are no strings. Like, the whole point is you're signing up for no strings. And now this person seems to have a lot of strings. I don't know. I just. Yeah, I don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Like, I got to send in a rebate. I hate a rebate. Rebates are scams. They'd be like, if you mail this is like, I don't have enough time to mail this.

[Jamie Lee]

And they know that I don't want to do stamps.

[Lacey Mosley]

No drug rebates. This is a lie. I watch the Wire. I'm supposed to come to the corner, we do a handshake. I got the money. You got the. Exactly.

[Jamie Lee]

Yes. Quick and dirty. Like, let's just do it and get out.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I believe, you know, Instagram has. Because it's become this marketplace, and they sell so many things. I think people have become really comfortable purchasing things on Instagram now. They have a whole purchase button on there where it's like, I'm here.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, the little, like, purse icon that they send to you, like, yeah, they're like, you can have friends and new clothes. You're like, okay, thanks for caring, Amazon.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a lot. Yeah, I don't need this from you. So this is when I realized Danica said that I had been scammed. Okay, baby, it was a little late now. I would have probably realized that the deposit, you know, area that you had been scammed, but okay. So despite the person repeatedly assuring me that they were legit, a world where you cannot trust drug dealers on Instagram is not a world I want to live in. Amen. Amen. I don't want to live in that either. Danica, I'm so sorry that that happened to you. They should have gave you the drugs or at least give you your deposit back. We're gonna take a quick break for some non scam advertisements. We'll be right back with historic Hoodwinks scam.

[D]

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[Jamie Lee]

Even. Even. Even as. As vapor, he still has to put the. At least he's a considerate ghost. I mean, that was really the takeaway. At least he cares anyways.

[Lacey Mosley]

But my thing is, is, like, I don't think men should even be allowed to be ghosts. Y'all haunt us enough. We all alive. Like, y'all don't get to haunt us when you did. Y'all got to go away.

[Jamie Lee]

Like, you guys ghost us when you're alive, and then you keep ghosting us when you're dead, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like, you've done enough ghosting while you were.

[Jamie Lee]

Too much ghosting.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's. Casper was the only male ghost I with. And even him, after a while, I was like, casper, go home.

[Jamie Lee]

Like, yeah, he was a little needy.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was needy as. He was like, let me go to the dance with you, girl. No. So I could dance with Aaron. Look crazy. Like, get out of here, Casper. He was clingy as. Show up, like, regular ghosts at night and. And do the ooh boo and get out.

[Jamie Lee]

Like, right. She cheat over the head with the eye holes. Like, just keep it. Classic ghosts, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

We don't need this. Like, you want to go to events now? Ghost, like, come on now. Plus one for your ghost ass. No. So rent a hitman.com, which is a very straightforward URL. And I. Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

At least they get straight to it. Yeah, I do, too. I do, too. There's really. There's nothing left to. Left Left to the imagination there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Number one on Google, you know, I put Hitman. Rent a Hitman's right there.

[Jamie Lee]

There we go.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love that it's Rent a Hitman. Like, you can't buy one, but you can rent one for a few hours. Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

On lease.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he started it with a college friend in 2005 as an IT help site, but it quickly took on a life of its own. The Rent A Hitman site became an accidental murder for hire sting operation. Okay. I don't know if it was accidental. You did call it basically, like, murderyoenemies.com. like, yeah, that's not.

[Jamie Lee]

That's not really a business you fall into.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. I feel like you either initiate it or it doesn't happen. It's not like, oops, I'm a hitman.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oops, I'm a hitman. Like, that's where I went. My brain free Britney. So how it started, it started with an it help website and a cheeky domain name. So they thought they were being funny with rentahitman.com, which I don't. This man, Bob has to be white because no black person would ever think it was funny to name a website URL.

[Jamie Lee]

Like, yeah, I love him defending it. He's like, it's not like, funny. Haha. It's like, no, man, it's just. It's just not funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? You made a website called murderyourwife.com and then was like, oh my God. People keep coming over here talking about they want their wife murdered. It's so bizarre.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, you're like, women get killed by their spouses all the time. He's like, right? I didn't know that. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So rent and pliered higher. And hit refers to website clicks or visitor traffic and analytics. And man implied the team of professionals behind the site, A few buddies who'd recently graduated from a California business school with I. T. Degrees. I love how they define the whole name. They're like, rent. It was just like us being like, we gonna help y'all out. It's a service. And then hit is like clicks on a website. It's like we were supposed to do all that math. Yeah, no, nobody's thinking about that. So Bob registered Dovain in 2005 with the tagline your point and click solution. That still sounds like a hitman to me. You point the gun, you click the trick.

[Jamie Lee]

Yup, yup, yup.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, no, no, no, no. We talking about a mouse. I'm like, I don't know, this is America. Seems like you talk about a gun.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, it sounds a little gunny to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So the website also says, got a problem that needs solving. Question mark. With over 17,985 US based field operatives, we can find a solution that's right for you. So you just said you had 17,000 murderers to me. I don't. Right, yeah, that's also hella vague. Like, you could have said I. T. Technicians at that point. You already got run a hitman as your domain. Like, exactly.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, he's. Oh, this is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it sounds like murder to me.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, it sounds very much so. Like murder.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. So it sat on the website collecting dust until Bob decided to check the website's email address one day in 2008. Bob said, this is when things got really ugly over the three Years the website sat idle, the domain received multiple inquiries from people looking to hire hitmen. And not the kind that get your website clicks. Duh.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I don't understand what they was like crime dot com. And then they were like, my God, people keep coming here to do crime. It's so bizarre. Like, what do they think?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, guys, this is exactly what was going to happen. Everything is exactly as it should be.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So Bob said, for clarification, I am not a hitman. Yeah, you really did need to clear that up. Because right now, Bob, I thought you was a hitman.

[Jamie Lee]

I'm thinking you are. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it says I simply play the part of a matchmaker between the solicitor and field operatives. Still sounds like you might be coordinating hits.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So using the alias Guido Finelli, Bob responded to the guido finale. Bob, you a murderer. I don't like none of this guido.

[Jamie Lee]

That is so. Yeah, it sounds so mobster. Like, everything is just very hitman.

[Lacey Mosley]

How is this man trying to play?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, you sound like a soprano. And they killed lots of people under the alias.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, Scarface. And under the email. Say hello to my little friend. Like, what, Bob, you were criminal? So Bob responded.

[Jamie Lee]

I feel like he's definitely like decapitated some horses and put them in the bed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. But that's very chill. Intimidation.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Subtle, subtle, subtle intimidation. You know, a little horse head here and there. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Ain't never hurt nobody. So Bob will respond to these requests furthering details. So a field operative, in quotes, could be assigned the case, the clients. The first hit was from a woman by the name of Helen. She was out of the UK, but stranded in Canada. She written a long letter, rambling email saying how she was screwed out of her father's inheritance by three family members. She had no money and no place to live. She was stranded in Canada without a passport, so she can't even leave. She wanted retaliation against her aunt, uncle, and one other family member and provided a physical address. Okay, so here's my thing. You ain't got no money, Helen. You ain't got no passport, honey. But you got coins for murder. Because last time I checked, murder was not free. I don't heard of pro bono murder.

[Jamie Lee]

Like, no, there is not. That's not how it works. In what I know about murder. That's not usually what happens.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't even think you can barter for murder. It's like, look, no, you can't. I have a peach tree. So if y'all Want these peaches in exchange for murdering my three relatives. Like, I don't think you can do a bartering system. Like, honey, you need money. So Bob said, when I first received the email, I was helping my brother move from LA back up here to the Bay Area. So I was loading a U haul truck full of his belongings. I didn't really take time to read the email in depth. I just thought it was a troubled person and really didn't give it much thought. Bob, she said she wanted you to murder her uncle. Her. You know what's funny is, like, she got cut out of the inheritance. She's not gonna get the inheritance, it looks like, even if they die. But she's like, I need revenge.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And poor Helen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Poor Helen. TV revenge always makes me laugh, though, because, like, what do you really get out of revenge? Nothing.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, it's. It feels maybe great. Five seconds and then the rest of your life, you're the person who got revenge and you're gonna go to jail.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So then she sends a second email titled, Urgent.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay, S.O.S.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? I need these people killed ASAP. And the subject line with more detail and more cooperating information. And I responded to the email, this is Bob talking. And asked two simple questions. Do you still require services? Question mark. And would you like me to put you in contact with the field operatives? Question mark. Okay, so you're being hella vague as well. I was still thinking, Bob is Bob. What's your angle?

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, what is it? I need to know. It's so confusing.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm confused. So in quotes, Bob says, I knew just reading her first email that this is a person who wanted to have these people murdered. There was no doubt in my mind that that was her intent. She responded back and said, yes, I'm staying at this hostel in Canada. I have all these thoughts going through my head. What am I getting myself into? Helen, you know, this is. This lady is serious. I need to go home and start Googling and researching this. So this is also Bob talking. He's like, what am I getting myself into? This lady really wants murder to happen. I need to go home and start Googling and research. Do you need to Google? I feel like you could just be like, no, we don't do murders.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for your inquiry, but that's not what we do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, yeah, we just shut it down.

[Jamie Lee]

Bob just shut it down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bob. Like, Bob is a scammer. So Bob says, I did just that. When I got home, I started printing out about 20 pages of details, names, addresses and Google satellite images. And all the information was corroborated. That's when I went to the local police department and spoke with a friend of mine who at the time was a sergeant. He reached out and contacted the police department that had jurisdiction. They did a welfare check on the person to make sure that she was okay. And during the course of their investigation, they found out that she wanted out of the UK on extradition warrants for serious charges. So basically she, they did a welfare check on her in Canada and found out that the UK was like, hey, can you actually bring Helen back here? Can y'all drop her off? Because we need to put her in the clink.

[Jamie Lee]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which makes sense. Helen seems like a criminal, so. Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

Also like staying at a hostel in Canada, like that just sounds, that sounds suspect. Yeah. She does it because it's one thing if you're, you're in a hostel because you're like backpacking, you know, after college, but then I feel like any other reason to be at a hostel is just shady.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And she's fully there on some shady because she was like, I'm trying to murder my relatives.

[Jamie Lee]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which is a lot. Especially because like, okay, you already didn't get inheritance so now you got to come out of pocket on a murders as well. Like that's a lot.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, yeah, it's bad. It's bad, bad, right, Ellen?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I just don't want to be indebted. Like I don't want to go on experian.com and they're like, girl, you never paid for these murders and now it's done hit your credit.

[Jamie Lee]

So yeah, that's the thing. It's like the revenge element. It's such a huge cost.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sequoia Financial is calling about these overdue murder bills that you need to pay. Like girl. In 2020, a 51 year old woman from Michigan named Wendy Wine sent an email to Bob believing he was Guido Fenelli. Wendy indeed had a problem that needed resolving. She recommended or she recounted in her email to finally, there was a man who had ripped her off for $20,000. Her ex husband as authorities later discovered. And she wanted him taken care of. Her email said, I prefer not going to jail. Thanks for your time.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think we all prefer not going to jail, Wendy.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, yeah, a little, little, little thing, little quirk about me and my personality. I hate jail.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so weird. But I'm just like not a jail person. Like I know it's the type of.

[Jamie Lee]

Person who doesn't love being behind bars, that's just me. That's just a me thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like some people, I get it. But like for me it's just like oh, you know what I mean? I'm weird.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, yeah, I'm weird like that. It just doesn't gel with me. But for other people, great, great for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So had Wendy been paying attention, she would have noticed a few red flags that the site was not real. For example, websites HIPAA compliance badge is on the site. HIPAA is known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability act of 1996. It outlaws the lawful use and disclosure of protected health information. But the website actually says H. IPPA stands for Hitman Information Privacy and Protection of 1964. So if she had known anything about laws, she would have known there's no Hitman Protection Act. No, the government was never like when you ask for a hitman, that's between you and your hitman. Okay. Yeah, that's.

[Jamie Lee]

There's. That is the craziest shit I've ever heard. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you have pre existing conditions for wanting to murder, that's between you and your hitman. Okay. They cannot disclose that. Yeah, she should have known. So that's not a real thing. Obviously. The website also offered group and senior discounts. Wow.

[Jamie Lee]

The early bird special.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you're trying to kill somebody old, you should get a discount though. They're not moving as fast. That's an easier murder.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, they're like we kill them between 4 and 6pm the same, the same time Lubies has their happy hour or whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Their happy hour right after they left the Looby's Buffet we got they ass. They still had jello on their lips. The green kind. So Bob said, I really didn't think that people were gonna be that stupid. Boy did they. Show me. As soon as I reached out to Bob, he alerted the authorities who placed her under arrest. She was charged with solicitation, commit murder and illegal use of a computer to commit a crime and is currently awaiting trial. Wow. Okay guys, if you want to do crime, if you really feel like it's crime time, Google is not your friend for this. Don't Google hit man. You got to just have.

[Jamie Lee]

Don't involve your computer at all. That should just be word of mouth like that.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a paper trail.

[Jamie Lee]

It's up. Yeah, you cannot. Yeah, yeah. If, yeah, there's no, there's. If you do anything on the Internet related to your hit, like it will be found. Just a hot tip. Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Just A little secret, guys. Lean in close if you want to get a hit man. Don't Google it.

[Jamie Lee]

No, you can't involve Google.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It's like also like you probably just gotta do the hit yourself.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, I feel like you just have to take this one into your own hands. If you really like there's just. Yeah, you can't outsource your murder. Is I think the moral of this story, like if you're gonna murder, you just have to suck it up and murder. But I really, but I really hope you just don't murder. But if you really must, I feel like you have to do it right.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like you can't farm this out. And also like murder. Not that tight, guys. Like not that.

[Jamie Lee]

No, it's kind of bad. Yeah, guys, it's. We, we have another hot take. We are not pro. We're actually, we're actually against murder. We hate jail and we hate murder. But that's just like a little quirk about us.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's just like we're kind of weird like that guys. So I, you know, don't Google murder. So today Bob keeps a spreadsheet of the requests that he's received. About 350 requests on that spreadsheet. Not all of them are murder for hire. Some of them are just people looking for assisted suicide options. Some of them are clearly hoaxes where they're trying to prank their friend. And some of them are for people who are seeking employment as a hitman.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, I don't. What does that mean, seeking employment?

[Lacey Mosley]

I went on Indeed.com and I was like, I'm a hitman looking for work. Here's my cover letter. Um, I'm very proficient in murders. I'm, I have great attention to detail. So said murders will not be discovered. Like what's a good resume for a hitman?

[Jamie Lee]

Right. Yeah, it's. Yeah, exactly. I don't understand, I don't understand the employment party.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm unremarkable. Nobody ever remembers what I look like. They're trying to be a hitman that you can rent.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, they are.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm confusion. And so basically out of 350 people, about 10% of these people are from or these emails are from people who want to cause harm to someone else. That's actually pretty low for rent a hitman.com. and of those 10%, Bob asked the same two questions he always does. Do you still require our services? Question mark. And would you like me to place you in contact with a field operative? He, if he never Hears back for them. He assumes that they figured it out. The website is still up and available. Can we click on the rentahitman.com website? I just. Just want to see. Oh, I got to see what's happening here. So we're about to look at.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, I'm so pumped.

[Lacey Mosley]

I am so my body is ready. Because I'm just like, how do these people not know? Okay, so they got a cookie policy. It says, your privacy is important to us. In order to maintain 100% compliance with HIPAA Hitman Information Privacy and Protection act of 1964, we must use use. So it says accept and close. Don't accept it.

[Jamie Lee]

No, don't accept. Don't accept.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gonna have a fast knocking at our door, like, hello, you need.

[Jamie Lee]

This is a very, very, like, lo fi, basic website. And I'm not surprised.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, it definitely is.

[Jamie Lee]

There's no nothing. Nothing to judge it up. There's no artwork. It's just text. And that's exactly what I thought it would be.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. They don't got no stock photos of satisfied murdered customers. No.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, wait, here's some photos. Here's some photos. Okay. One says, global crisis management, and there's a picture of the globe. And then there's something that service inquiries, and it's a man's blurry face, which is also very suspicious.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And it's also the kind of man who looks like he would be in cell or, like, try to shoot something up. Definitely a murderer.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, here we go. Guido Finale and family.

[Lacey Mosley]

Growing list of satisfied clients. Really? Okay, so Guido Finale, let's post. It says, and family have operated Rah Rena hitman continuously since 1920 and have proudly served both public and private sectors. So they saying they also do hits for the government.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay, this does not look like a government official website in any way, so I don't know what they mean by that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, the government websites have been looking pretty jank these days.

[Jamie Lee]

That's true. Actually, you're right. They're not great. That's true, that's true.

[Lacey Mosley]

They don't have great web designers in the government. It says the RH family is consistently growing every day to keep up up with the global market needs for murder. Like, this is all so vague. Once you're like, want to join?

[Jamie Lee]

They're like, people across the globe want to murder people. It's international.

[Lacey Mosley]

Would you believe it? Every country has people.

[Jamie Lee]

Every country has people who are terrible. Yeah, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

The supply is birth and the demand is murder. So it says, want to join the Rah family, use our web form to contact us. And be sure to include a portrait, headshot and any list of special skills you may have. Blood, breath, or urine testing may be required, depending on your geographic locations. So if you a hitman, they basically, like, you can't smoke weed. Like, I don't. What?

[Jamie Lee]

Also, I don't know about you, but just seeing this, the. This sentence that says blood comma, breath or urine, like just that sentence is so creepy to me. Like blood, breath, or urine. I don't know why that. I just find that to be a jarring. Because it's all weird combination of words.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

It's just such a bodily sentence. Yeah. I just am creeped out.

[Lacey Mosley]

How are you gonna test my breath? Like, I breathe into something to mail it to you. I know.

[Jamie Lee]

I was wondering that. I was like, wait, the other two I. I get. Because there's vials of it, but breath? Yeah, it's like back to the ghost. It's just. There's nothing there. It's just an absence of something.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It says RAH guarantees a hundred percent satisfaction or your money back. Like, wow.

[Jamie Lee]

I'm sure this is such a.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a setup site for people who want to get murders done. It says customer and service industry awards. I got awards for murder.

[Jamie Lee]

Okay. This is so funny. These awards, you guys, they look like lava lamps. They do.

[Lacey Mosley]

These aren't real awards. It's a. It looks like a flame. What's. What is this? Yes.

[Jamie Lee]

It's like. It's like lava lamp meets, like, sperm. It has like a little tail. I don't understand what has happened. Those are the craziest looking awards.

[Lacey Mosley]

RA prides itself on exceptional customer service and satisfaction. We are proud to be globally recognized as a leader in our industry, the murder industry.

[Jamie Lee]

I mean, also all of the way. They're taught there's so much text and they're not saying anything. Like, you know what I mean? It's like such filler. There's just no information at all.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a troll site. Because otherwise, like, if they were really doing the whole click thing that they promise, like, there would be something about some damn clicks. It says business is booming. Hold on. Go back down, Judith. It says business is booming. And we have a special group and senior discount packages available. Packages. To find out if you qualify, simply submit your service request form and a field operative will contact you shortly. Oh, wow. And scroll up. It says we are still open during.

[Jamie Lee]

The COVID 19 does not stop murderers. Oh, my God. Rain or shine, we will do it. Rain Shine or pandemic.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. We got PPE or urine.

[Jamie Lee]

We will do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

We got plenty of PPE for these murders. Okay.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't worry. You're not gonna get Covid while we doing the murders. What? I. Oh, God. Wow. This site is. Go to rentahitman.com now. Don't accept the cookies because the government might find you. But I.

[Jamie Lee]

It almost makes me think. Okay, just really quick. The fact that the thing that says we are still open during the COVID it's, like, the biggest part of the website. It's huge. To the point where I'm like, do you have someone who's. Who has Covid? And that's how they're killing people. Like, they're gonna, like, have their Covid friend, like, go around someone, and then that's how they're gonna, like, take them down. I don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Strategic cost.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like a few doorknobs.

[Jamie Lee]

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, I feel like that's a strategy for them. For them to even care about the pandemic is surprising.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, if you're a website that is, like, boosting for other pages and clicks and hits, that's all done remote whether we were in a pandemic or not.

[Jamie Lee]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would like y'all doing in person stuff, I guess. The murders.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, you can't do. You can't do Zoom murders. They unfortunately do. They do.

[Lacey Mosley]

They don't work. It's really hard to kill someone over Zoom. Yeah, Bob, you seem a little suspect to me. I don't know what your motivations are, Bob, but I. I'm. I'm not into it. I'm not into you, Bob. I don't know what you're doing.

[Jamie Lee]

Not a Bob fan, but, guys, we're.

[Lacey Mosley]

Going to take a quick break for some non scam, non hitman advertisements, and we'll be right back for the end of the show. Robbery.

[Tim Allen]

Every day, our world gets a little more connected, but a little further apart. But then there are moments that remind us to. To be more human.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you for calling Amica Insurance. Hey, I was just in an accident. Don't worry. We'll get you taken care of.

[Tim Allen]

At Amica, we understand that looking out for each other isn't new or groundbreaking.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's human.

[Tim Allen]

Amica empathy is our best policy. ABC Wednesdays, Tim Allen and Kat Dennings star in the new family comedy Shifting.

[Jamie Lee]

Gears broke, and I need a place to stay until I figure out what the rest of my life looks like.

[Tim Allen]

So a couple of days when his Daughter moves back in. The last time you walked out that door, you looked back at me and gave me a double bird.

[Jamie Lee]

I was 18. The double bird was how I ended all our conversations.

[Tim Allen]

The wheels come off and we try.

[Jamie Lee]

To talk to each other like rational adults.

[Tim Allen]

If you watch the news lately, that's not a thing anymore. New Wednesdays, 8, 7 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu and Frau Guys.

[Lacey Mosley]

We'Re back for scammer of the week. This is where we'll highlight one famous charlatan that worthy of our praise or not. We'll figure it out as we go. This scammer of the week this week is a Twitter famous biker known as at Azusa Gaku Yuki. And they're actually revealed to be a 50 year old old man using face app on his phone. Wow. Let's get a picture up for Jamie so that she can see.

[Jamie Lee]

Definitely need a visual for this one. Zachary.

[Lacey Mosley]

This 50 year old man who actually is very handsome is photoshopping his face to look like a woman. And he has really long hair and he's photoshopping his face to look like a woman on this bike. I'm like, okay. And face app is a scam.

[Jamie Lee]

Yes, yes. Face app is a hundred percent a scam. Facetune. Face app. It's so, it's so creepy what you can do to alter your appearance.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? And look, I have the apps. I try not to. I like to whiten my eyes sometimes if I'm. That's what I do.

[Jamie Lee]

I wipe and eyes sometimes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, but you still need to look like yourself. And like, look, have I gotten drunk and edited a photo too much and had to delete it? Apple. Absolutely. But you know guys, when you're looking at celebrities on Insta, you're looking at the Kardashians, you're never really seeing what they actually look like. There's so much face out, there's so much filtering. So that's a scam too. Don't think that you need to try to aspire to look like anybody on Instagram because they don't even look like that.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, I love calling that a scam. That's like, I don't know, there's. That brings me comfort to refer to that as a scam. It is 100% scam. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because the girls love to be like, oh, I put on this waist trainer and now I have like the waist. Waist the size of like when you put your index finger and your thumb together like it's a corset.

[Jamie Lee]

You're Wearing a corset. Like women have fought to not have to wear corsets. Don't go backwards.

[Lacey Mosley]

Come on ladies, move them bones around for sexy. So she was known to thousands on Twitter followers as a beautiful biker documenting her life in Japan until recently. When the true identity of this young woman was revealed, he was exposed on Monday Late Show, a popular Japanese variety show where hosts discussed the hottest and wackiest topics across the country. The production team had apparently tracked the biker down and found instead of a bright eyed young woman, an almost equally bright eyed middle aged man. The unnamed 50 year old admitted at the show that he uses FaceApp, the photo editing tool that drastically alters one's appearance, including their age and gender. He has been using it to turn himself into a Twitter famous biker chick and even demonstrated his process on tv. Wow. So he came out and aired himself out. Okay. He apparently resorted to this kawaii Persona for social media and popularity. He said if a girl like her existed, it anybody would go crazy for her. Right? Because she's a biker, but she's also hot. It's like that Megan Fox Ducati wet dream of like just a hot woman on a nice bicycle or motorcycle. I ride motorcycles. Clearly I know a lot about it. So he fa he altered his face to an unrecognizable degree. But his glorious golden mane is all his. Even before the shocking reveal on national television, Twitter users had already pointed out a suspicious detail in the photo that the Biker tweeted on February 11. The photo meant to show off the back view of the motorcycle. Also captured in the reflection, the biker side mirror. And a man who looked nothing like the woman in front of the Twitter account.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

He didn't edit his face in the mirror. So they're like, wait a minute, it's a grown ass man in the mirror, but then it's like a 20 year old woman in the w. I guess.

[Jamie Lee]

What I don't, don't get too is like what was the end game for him? Like did he want to get endorsement deals and stuff? Is that like I don't, I'm just trying to understand what, what he wanted out of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Probably because on Twitter if you have viral tweets, people will DM you and ask you to market stuff on the tweet. Get paid for that. Right.

[Jamie Lee]

But it's like he must know like after a certain point, like you, you can't really like elevate your career if you can't be in person for things. So like it would only take you so far.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Especially because, like, even in the pandemic, you got to get on Zoom and there's.

[Jamie Lee]

Exactly. Instagram Live or. Yeah. Oh, God. Well, there is a. A filter degree. Like a filter. They have a couple different filters. I think that's true.

[Lacey Mosley]

I guess he could get on there and look like a. A wombat or something, some kind of filter.

[Jamie Lee]

It would just smooth them out. It wouldn't, like, completely alter his face. I don't think they have that. Although, honestly, if Zoom continues, someone is definitely going to, like, come up with a proper filter pack, and it's going.

[Lacey Mosley]

To be really, hell, yeah, I'm gonna show up and put on the Oprah filter and try to get more money. It's me. I love bread. And, like, all she says is, I love bread. Is it. Is this really Oprah?

[Jamie Lee]

I feel like it might not be Oprah. It's just a hunch.

[Lacey Mosley]

She just keeps saying, I love bread. That's all she does. And Weight Watchers.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

Weight Watchers. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Up. Were you silenced or were you silent?

[Jamie Lee]

You know, Weight Watchers is definitely a scam. Side note.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Big time. But listen, if it works for you, work it. I mean, of course I listen to points.

[Jamie Lee]

I listened to this whole podcast about Weight Watchers, and I was like, oh, no, this is, like, so creepy. Anyway.

[Lacey Mosley]

It truly is. But, you know, weight loss in general is a.

[Jamie Lee]

So, yeah, weight loss is everything. Everything's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's no way to just lose weight quickly and healthily.

[Jamie Lee]

The dieting industry, fully as a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And it all depends on making sure that you have low self esteem. You know what I mean? They love to target you late at night. You'll see more ads for diet commercials at night, because statistically, people who have higher BMIs tend to not sleep as early. And so once scientists found that out, the ad, you know, industry was like, okay, then we'll run like, hydroxy cut and lose here. Somebody with a very large pair of pants that they probably never, ever wore, holding them up in front of the tiny body. And the funny thing to me is, is that there's so many fat people who are way healthier than skinny people. A lot of health has to do with genetics. So you can have low blood pressure, be healthy. But the whole scam of the diet industry is, like, we have to make you feel, like, bad and, like, well, so much of American culture.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. And also the scam is that they tell you that skinny automatically equals healthy, which is 100% not true. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it's bad, too, because it's infiltrated our medical industry in such a pervasive way that doctors are so discriminatory. If you're black, if you're fat, if you're a person of color, if you're a woman, any of these things. Whenever you go to the doctor, you should always be seeking a second opinion, especially if there's something that you need to get done or a surgery, because doctors are scammers, too. I have fibroids, and I had a doctor, you know, tell me me one. I had a doctor before that who was like, we're gonna get you into early menopause. And I was like, I'm 25. I don't want to go into early menopause. Then later, in my 20s. Now I've gone to a doctor who was like, okay, so we're gonna take your uterus out and you'll be in the hospital for two days. And I was like, okay, but the fibroid isn't in my uterus, right? He was like, yeah, no, but that. I'm really good at that surgery. I was like, oh, so you go get me to take my out surgery because you're good at it.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, that's not what I need. My coochie don't need to be on the floor of the or. But you're gonna do it anyway.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, my God, my mouth is on the floor. That is so horrifying.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, look, I. This is what I'm good at is taking the girls coochies out. Now, you don't need that.

[Jamie Lee]

But I mean, yeah, you can't. You can't, like, do the surgery you like doing because it boosts your ego. Like, that's not. That's not how surgery works. You're like, I'm really good at it. You're like, no, that's right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're gonna have a huge scar and you're gonna have to stay in the hospital when you don't do outpatient.

[Jamie Lee]

But I want to be clear. You don't need it. But I am good at it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it would just be really good for me and my self esteem if you let me pull your pussy out just real quick.

[Jamie Lee]

I feel like a major big shot when I do that surgery, so if you don't mind being a guinea pig for me, that would be great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cool, cool, cool. But I honestly understand this man, because he's right. A hot woman on a bike is going to sell better than, like, an older man on a bike. And I get this grift, I really do. So he was altering his face. And even before the shocking reveal, people, you know, I picked up on him being in behind one of the cameras because they saw the mirror, which I love. The Internet is so thorough. They will be like, what's that in the back? Yes.

[Jamie Lee]

I love that sleuth mentality of, like, hold on, let me zoom in. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

The zoom in is people are petty, and I love it. So. And you know what's funny is, like, before Black Lady Sketch show came out and I could talk about it, we were. It was like, HBO was like, it's a big secret. Like, you can't talk about it. You can't take photos in your trailer. All this shit. And one time I was on Twitter, and I was saying, like, issa, like, it's a knife. Like, 21 Savage or whatever. And someone noticed that my phone auto capitalizes Issa. And so they're like, why does your phone auto cap Issa? Do you work with Issa Rae? And I was like, what the hell?

[Jamie Lee]

Whoa. That is really impressive. Attention to detail, right? People?

[Lacey Mosley]

People pay attention on the Internet. I love it. I mean, at this point, after the Capitol insurrection, the FBI was like, hey, girls, it's us, the F, the B and I. Do y'all mind getting on Twitter and finding these girl girls who came to the Capitol for us? Y'all don't know how to do that. Cause y'all definitely killed all the black civil rights leaders. Y'all know where to find Fred Hampton, but y'all can't find these insurrectionists. I gotta look.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, the worst.

[Lacey Mosley]

But it was actually very easy to find them. Guys, don't film your crimes, but if you're a racist, film your crimes.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, keep filming.

[Lacey Mosley]

We love it. We love that for you. So the photo meant to show off the back view of the motorcycle also, you know, captured that reflection. And someone on Twitter said, you're using a cute phone case. Which basically they're being like, we see you in that side mirror, sis. And like, who is this? Who are you? So how do you feel about Azusa? Do we like Azusa? He wasn't harming anybody. You know, he was cute. Yeah.

[Jamie Lee]

I mean, it was pretty benign what he did. It's interesting to me that that's, like, what he wants to get attention for is, like, being a hot girl on a bike and wanting the life of a hot girl on a bike. I think that says a lot about Internet culture and, like, how we glorify influencers and Instagram And.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah. And just being like that is the new frontier. Like, if you can make money doing that, you've.

[Lacey Mosley]

You've done it right, and you can make good money doing that. It's a lot of work to constantly be doing photo shoots and shit, but, like, you know, you can make great money. And like, it doesn't say here if you know, Azusa, the real guy, the fifth year old, identify as this gender. So I'm not gonna put that on him.

[Jamie Lee]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I understand being like, oh, hot girls on Instagram get more likes and get more attention. So.

[Jamie Lee]

Yeah, no, that's, that's more what I was thinking is just like, yeah, I think that the, the thought behind it actually makes a lot of sense and I think it says a lot about our culture.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It really does. But, guys, that brings us to the end of another episode. And Jamie, we always ask, where do you want to be found? Where do you want people to find you?

[Jamie Lee]

Where do I want to be found? I would love to. On Netflix, I have a show called the Wedding Coach and it drops on April 7th. And then I also would like to be found on Instagram at really? Jamie Lee.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Thank you so much for being here. Jamie. You're so fantastic. I loved you on Girl Code. I love that show so, so, so much. Starting in comedy. So like, oh, it's so. It's so surreal to have you here. I love it.

[Jamie Lee]

Oh, thank you. And sorry that my dogs were growling the entire.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, I love it.

[Jamie Lee]

Quite friendly.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that they're getting into the frame. Like, your one dog in the back on that chair is like, hey, girl. I love it. We love to see it, guys. As always, you can find us on Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. There's gonna be new merch coming out, guys. I'm gonna get it cute for you, I promise. I've seen all your replies and everything on Twitter and Insta. Also, if you want to find me D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Congregation stay scheming. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Teen Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me. Duh. Scam Goddess, AKA Lacy Mosley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobs, Marina Paiz with research by Sherrilyn Vera. Say scheming Netcredit is here to say yes because you're more than a credit score. Apply in minutes and get a decision as soon as the same day. Loans offered by Netcredit or lending partner banks and serviced by Netcredit applications subject.

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[Tim Allen]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Tim Allen]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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