Fraud Friday: Smells Like Teen Swindling w/ Demi Adejuyigbe

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary

Episode: Fraud Friday: Smells Like Teen Swindling w/ Demi Adejuyigbe
Release Date: August 1, 2025
Host: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess)
Guest: Demi Adejuyigbe

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Introduction

In this episode of Scam Goddess, Laci Mosley welcomes comedian and writer Demi Adejuyigbe as the special guest for Fraud Friday. This segment revisits an intriguing scam case from the Scam Goddess vault, focusing on a teenage British hacker named Kane and a recent art fraud incident at the Orlando Museum of Art.

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Guest Introduction

Laci introduces Demi Adejuyigbe, highlighting his work on popular podcasts like Gilmore Guys and Punch Up the Jam, as well as his contributions to The Late Late Show with James Corden and The Amber Ruffin Show. Their friendly banter sets a relaxed and humorous tone for the episode.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [03:00]: "Congregation, please welcome Demi Ad."

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Main Discussion: Teenage Hacker Kane and His Scams

Background of Kane

Kane Gamble, a 15-year-old British teenager, orchestrated a series of high-profile hacks targeting U.S. government officials between June 2015 and February 2016. Operating from his mother's home, Kane leveraged social engineering techniques to gain unauthorized access to sensitive accounts.

Notable Quote:
Demi Adejuyigbe [06:09]: "I don't have the confidence to run scams, but I love scams so much."

Methods Used

Kane's approach was primarily based on social engineering—psychological manipulation to trick individuals into divulging confidential information. He posed as a Verizon employee and used deception to access accounts of high-ranking officials like CIA Director John Brennan and Secretary of Homeland Security J. Johnson.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [27:54]: "Social engineering is just tricking people, lying. No, I'm a social engineer."

Targets and Impacts

Kane's breaches were not only limited to email accounts. He accessed sensitive information, including personal details and government documents, which he then publicly shared online. His actions led to significant disruptions, including the deployment of an Army SWAT team to an official's home.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [34:05]: "His first victim was the then director of the CIA, John Brennan."

Motivations and Consequences

Kane claimed his motives stemmed from frustration with perceived government corruption. Despite his non-malicious intentions, his actions had serious repercussions, including legal consequences. Arrested in the UK, Kane faced youth detention and probation but later shifted his focus to cybersecurity and ethical hacking.

Notable Quote:
Kane [40:08]: "I'm old to now, and I have no interest in crime. I just want to get on with my life now."

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Historic Hoodwinks: Orlando Museum of Art Scam

Shifting gears, Laci and Demi delve into a recent fraud case involving the Orlando Museum of Art. The museum was found to display 25 fake Jean-Michel Basquiat paintings under the guise of an exclusive exhibition. The fraud involved deceptive practices, including falsified ownership claims and counterfeit branding marks.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [55:01]: "What is a museum if not colonization persevering? Like, what is a museum if it's not like, we stole all of this?"

Details of the Scam

The curator, Aaron DeGroft, presented these forgeries as genuine Basquiat works, misleading both collectors and the public. Experts identified discrepancies in the brand marks and questioned the authenticity, leading to the museum director's dismissal and the seizure of the artworks by the FBI.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [57:05]: "The paintings were a part of the museum's heroes and monsters exhibition, which consisted of one man's collection. He purported to have been bought directly from Basquiat. However, upon further questioning, the man admitted that he had never met the artist, who died in 1988."

Impact and Response

The FBI's involvement underscores the severity of the fraud, highlighting the importance of due diligence in art acquisitions. The case also raises questions about the ethical responsibilities of museums in authenticating and displaying artworks.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [59:17]: "Why is it fake? Like, because of this. And then it's like, cool, I'm gonna fix that and go to another authenticator."

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with Laci and Demi reflecting on the nature of scams and fraud in both digital and cultural contexts. They emphasize the need for vigilance and ethical behavior to prevent such deceptive practices.

Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [63:00]: "We were just talking about 'museuming.' No, I'm just curating."

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Key Takeaways

• Social Engineering Risks: Kane's case illustrates the profound vulnerabilities that even high-ranking officials face against social engineering tactics.

• Art Authentication: The Orlando Museum of Art scam underscores the critical need for proper authentication processes in the art world to prevent forgeries.

• Ethical Hacking: Kane's transition from a malicious hacker to a cybersecurity professional highlights the potential for redemption and positive impact through ethical practices.

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Final Thoughts

Scam Goddess effectively combines humor with insightful discussions on fraud and scams, providing listeners with both entertainment and valuable lessons on safeguarding against deceptive practices.

Stay Schemin’!

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Buying a car in Carvana was so easy. I was able to finance it through them.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Whoa, wait, you mean finance? Yeah, Finance got pre qualified for a Carvana auto loan, entered my terms and shot from thousands of great car options, all within my budget.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's cool.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

But financing through Carvana was so easy. Financed, done, and I get to pick up my car from their Carvana vending machine tomorrow. Financed, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what they said.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You can spend time trying to pronounce financing, or you can actually finance finance.

[Lacey Mosley]

And buy your car today on Carvana.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Financing, subject to credit approval. Additional terms and conditions may apply.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's poppin, Congregation? It's ya girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay. Stay scheming. Robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. Can't stop popping. Congregation, it's your girl, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And I'm here with another installment of. Yes. Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery and fraud and those who practice it. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We will see, as always. Come on, parasocial girls. Where are my Blues Clues girlies? Where my Tabitha Brown girlies? I'm so. What? Yes. Excited. And hi. How are you? Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. That's crazy. Can work for anything, good or bad or boring. That works for us, right? I'm glad y' all are doing well. You know what? You're here, okay? That's all. We can do the best we can. Like Mariah Carey says, I'mma do the best with what I got, okay? And that's what we are gonna do. And speaking of the best, we have an amazing guest on today. He's a comedian and a writer. He's the co host of the comedy podcast Gilmore Guys and punch up the Jam. I know you know those. They are popping. He's written for the late Late show with James Corden, the Amber Ruffin show, and many, many more. Listless man's credits for days. And, like, if you haven't seen the viral September videos that raise, like, hella, hella money for charity, like, this man is a saint. Congregation, please welcome Demi Ad.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Hello.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Did I get it? We've been practicing.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Got it. You got it. You didn't do it with the Nigerian accent this time. I want you to throw that Wakanda flare on there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Demi, I did. You weepy.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

There it is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, I might. For my Nigerian congregation. Y' all know I'm also fake Nigerian. They dropped me off on the boat. I don't know where it docked. You know, I don't know. I don't know where they picked us up at. Okay. But I know I'm from over there.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That counts. No, that's. That's honorary Nigerian status.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you so much. Honestly, I want to marry a Nigerian because I'm trying to have a lit ass wedding with cute fascists, and I want people to throw money at me.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's the big plus. I didn't know that the money thing was a thing until my dad had a 60th birthday party and he hired a saxophonist and was like, yeah, here, go dance and throw money at the guy. And I was like, what are you talking about? That's not. It's not a thing. He's like, yeah, no, it is in Nigeria. I was like, okay, it was great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Wait, so you were born in America?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I was born in London.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh. I feel like I knew that for some reason. Maybe I'll be stalking you because it's.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

My only fun fact about myself. I tell everybody I used to have a British accent. I don't. I used to, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, see, but why didn't you just keep the British accent? I know a guy who left London when he was 8. And when we were in college, he'd be like, talking like this, like. And then I'm like, I know you've been in America long enough to have an American accent.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I was too young to realize the value of it because I was like, four when I left. And then I think I lost by the time I was 6. And I think if I just kept it a little bit longer, people would be like, That's a cool accent. I'd be like, oh, okay, yeah. Then I'm British.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, in it. In it, bro.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

In it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah. You should have kept it because the. The girlies, especially in our industry, oh, they love stem. A black Brit. Okay. I will walk around with tea everywhere, just in a cup with a saucer.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, is it what Boris has done now? Oh, it's proper mad. Yeah. I could have had Daniel Kaluuya's career.

[Lacey Mosley]

You could have. Damn.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That's the only thing that stopped me.

[Lacey Mosley]

You playing? You playing? It's not too late. I mean, you can pull a Madonna go back. You got the citizenship to prove it. I wouldn't question it.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would love it. I also do have to say that I feel like the last time I ran into your person was a while ago. I was shooting a black lady sketch show and someone had posted about the food bank needing certain things. Cause it was so close to work. I went and I was dropping off stuff, and you helped me unload your car. And you were there dropping off stuff too. You're always doing nice things for the community. Quietly and secretly. I just think a really dope person. So I'm so glad to have you here.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm very happy to be here. I love this podcast.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And we love you. Okay, so I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Clearly, you didn't run your British scam, so you need to get back in your bag.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I don't have the confidence to run scams, but I love. I love scams so much. I think about scams constantly. I, like, there are times where it's like, I will just be having to do something for something else and then realize, oh, I could turn this into a scam. And there are times where, like, people attempt scams on me and I'm never mad. I'm just always sort of like, oh, you gotta try harder. Like, if I get, like a wrong number text, I'm just sort of like, nah, nah, that's not how you do that. Like, it just makes me upset that they didn't try harder to get me. Because I would love to be gotten. And this is not an open invitation to anyone listening to. Like, I'm not.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was about to say, don't say that. They'll tell you, leave me alone.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, I'm playing. But, like, so we had a cat that got out a couple, like a month ago or so, and we had to go around and put, up, like, lost cat flyers, and I had to put them on people's cars. And at one point, I was like, I bet if I come back tomorrow and see that a car doesn't have or still has the thing on it, that means they haven't been there. That means I can break into that car. Like, that's how my mind works sometimes, where it's like, oh, I feel like I can figure out how to turn this real thing into a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I love this. You're just like, you're a scam. Hypothetical. You're like, I could bring everybody in here, right?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I had, like, a sad thing happens, like, oh, this cat's house.

[Lacey Mosley]

Turn this into a scam right now. I feel you on that. I. I have to say, though, I do love you being, like, the Lori Harvey of scams. Like, you're just, like, a bad bitch, and you're like, please try to get me, but you're not good enough.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Here's the first five digits of my social. Get the rest.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not. Here's not. You giving them clues. Yeah. Wait, if you were born in the uk, do you have a UK social?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Or do you have a.

[Lacey Mosley]

How does that work?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I have an American Social Security number, but I do have a British passport still.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, yeah, see, we give it. I'm giving y' all hints out there. Okay, guys, so we know it's American. Y' all are nine digits away from Robin Demi. Not just nine digits.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

They got different digits in the uk, though, because they got, you know, different letters. Could be a Z in there. You don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true. That's true. Look at him saucing it up. I love this. But Demi. So on this podcast, we like to warn people in the streets about what's hot and fraud and what's poppin in the zeitgeist. But more often than not, these days, we usually just get a listener letter and let people snitch on their friends and family. Just like we say on this podcast, snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't wanna. What? Yes. Fuck up your bag. So, Divi, I need a fake name for this person. Gender doesn't matter on this show. It's akastric.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Grinko, Belova grinko.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not even ginkgo. Grinko biloba.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Grinko Biloba.

[Lacey Mosley]

Definitely a scam name. Like, y' all know vitamins. Y'.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all want some Grinko biloba. It's real good for memory.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

They were. Their name was Grinko Johnson, and they married into the Biloba family, so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, that's fancy. I feel like the Biloba family got money.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the kind of situation I'm trying to be involved in.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Grinko.

[Lacey Mosley]

Grinko says, hi, Lacey. My first job I got as a broke college student was at a mom and pop toy store. They had four to five employees, including the owner, so we didn't have many hours. We got paid every two weeks and multiple times. I had checks of 60 and 70 bucks. When I asked for more hours, they said their sales didn't warrant more hours. So when I worked there alone, I would take five to $10 from the register to buy lunch at the Chinese spot across the street. I mean, I see no problems.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, that's not a scam. That's you getting what you deserve. Not even what you deserve.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. If you're a broke college freshman and you're getting 60 to 70 bucks every two weeks. Now, listen, I don't know. I don't know how money works in college because somehow I could take, like, a little, like, a hundred dollars, I could make that money money. I could get outfits. I could buy alcohol off seniors. I could do a lot with that. And now, like, $100, I'm like, that's like a gas.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I mean, it's an internship with tips. Like, that's not proper in any way.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it doesn't feel like this. How many hours were you working, girl? One? Did you come in and work three hours a week on three separate days?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

And she said they weren't paying her, right? Like, she said, yes, as in, well.

[Lacey Mosley]

They paid her every two weeks.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

And. Okay, so it wasn't like, oh, they just were like, sorry, we can't pay you this week. Either way, every two weeks. That's not. What the hell.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they never hit her with the we ain't got it. You did. Honestly, obviously, you kept working at this job, Grinko, because you were like, well, I'm getting free lunch. And as a broke college student, a free lunch is cute to me. That's how they get you to come sign up for anything. The military love to hang out places and be like, you want Applebee's?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, it's so crazy that you're only getting that much money. Imagine how much money you get if you shot some people, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Do you want to fight for big oil? Meet us at Chili's. Let's talk about it. You like baby bag ribs, right? It's like, they know how to get the ones of us out there who need the coins. And it's. It's usually not that much of an investment, which is so sad. But so she's decided that she gonna take her little five to $10 off the top, which I'm not mad at it. They never caught on because the owner did inventory once a year and never counted the till. Now it sounds like these people are bad business people because why are you only doing once a year?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

This place was a front that's not even good for the IRS if you're a business.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, yeah, it's giving drug front. You know about our drug front out here that we go to in la, right?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

What's that?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll. I'll tell you off of the pod, because I'm afraid. But no, every comedian out here at least knows that that one place is a bar. And it's a bar that's always empty, guys. And it's in like, a weird strip mall, like next to a laundry place. And just things that don't need to be next to bars. But all of our friends will throw parties there. Birthday parties, New Year's parties, all these things. And it's like, seedy. But, like, you could really cheaply throw a party there because they don't have business and they don't need it, right?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

They got a bathroom that you just can't get to. It's like, weird, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all hear them gunshots? Oh, no, don't worry about that. That ain't no problem. That's just the song. Which is why I'm like, rappers, please stop putting gunshots in songs and sirens. We live in America. I can't be driving down the street.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

No. And they're quiet now, too. There's like, oh, you want us to turn it down? It's like, no. Cause then I'm just like, well, shit, I'm in my car. Is that happening or not?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? I love that. The rapper's solution, the producer solutions for the rappers was like, oh, we can just turn the gunshots and the sirens down a little bit, but we must have them. Yeah, yeah. How will people know this is rap if they're not hearing? And like, what? Like, I think we'll still know it's rap, guys. I don't.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's just Foley artists. You're just doing, like, adr. But it's like, cool, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like, we don't need that, guys. We're stressed out enough. So this place is giving drug front to me. Grinko says they never caught on because the owner did inventory once a year like we said, and never counted the tilt over the 4.5 years. That. 4.5 years, that's too long.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That's. That's all of college and then half an extra year.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. What, did you go and get your grad degree or are you in. Are you a doctor?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

She was like, I'm saving up for one, like DVD or something. That's how much she got paid.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Four and a half years. You. You were robbing them? Says four and a half years I worked there. I probably borrowed around 20 to $40 a month. I didn't feel bad because I had been promoted in title only. No pay raise. And he would specifically hire black girls. I'm a black girl. Okay? If you were black girl to make it seem like a black owned business when it wasn't, what the fuck? Okay? So you should have been stealing from him, not him having only black women and underpaying them criminally so that he looks like he black owned.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

I imagine this is like some bootleg looking toy, like Toys R Us. This is like Toys R Them or Toys for Us by us.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Tubu.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tubu for your tubu girl. Oh, no. By the end, my checks were bigger than $60, but it was the principle of the situation. Come on, Princip, we understand.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Love the show. 60 is such a low bar every two weeks.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I don't know what I would do if I got a check for $60 and that was really like my two week paycheck. Like, somebody gonna have to get their ass beat.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm not going for four weeks. Like, it'd just be like, okay, I'm not. No, this isn't how it should go.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's why I'm definitely not working for four and a half years.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Girl, you could have got a job anywhere that I would pay more than this. I think you. It must have been cushy. She probably didn't. She just unlocked the store, you know, and locked it back up and stole money and had her Chinese food lunch every day.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah. She's like, no one needs to buy toys on this college campus.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I feel like you were just hanging out. You probably. This seems like the kind of job that you would have your friends stop by. Like, you know, your friends will have shifts, places. They'd be like, y' all just come to Coastal. I get some ice cream. We can hang out.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, yeah, I have those.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cold Stone is. That's what I call like the Teriyaki bar, but for, like, ice cream because they cook it in front of you. It's like. It's like going to one of like, a Benihana, but for ice cream.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Is Cold stone. The one where they got to turn it upside down to be like, it's not falling out?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's Dairy Queen.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, okay. I thought.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I've never understood. I've never understood why Dairy Queen thought that was a flex. Like, I'm not turning my ice cream upside down.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's so out the cup. I don't care. That's not a plus to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Our ice cream is thick with two Cs. It's like, no one asked that. Doesn't matter to us.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

We're selling you a brick.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally. They're like, you want a brick? You want a brick of that cream scams. What's poppin, congregation? Okay, I'm coming at y' all hot because we need to debunk some things about plan B emergency contraception right now. Listen, Plan B is not an abortion pill. It's safe, effective backup birth control. You take after unprotected sex to prevent pregnancy before it starts. And are y' all ready for the inside tea? It works by temporarily delaying ovulation, and it will not impact your future fertility. Because some days, who knows, someday you might want a little unemployed person in your house. Follow Plan B on insta at plan B. One step. Use as directed.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Thanks for selling your car to Carvana. Here's your check.

Whoa. When did I get here?

What do you mean?

I swear, it was just moments ago that I accepted a great offer from Carvana online. I must have time traveled to the future.

It was just moments ago. We do same day pickup. Here's your check for that great offer.

It is the future.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's the present. And just the convenience of Carvana. Sorry to blow your mind.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's all good. Happens all the time. Sell your car the convenient way to Carvana. Pick up. Times may vary and fees may apply. Car. Yeah, it's. It was. It's a very bizarre thing. It's just like how Skittles says, taste the rainbow. Like, nigga, no one's ever tasted a rainbow. And in the same way that nobody knows what a rainbow tastes like, Skittles flavors are not actual flavors of anything. And now they saying it's got some poisons up in it that's gonna kill you.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

What? What? Is this new?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, this is new. Google it. Shop. They said don't eat the Skittles no more. Girlies, Allegedly Skittle. Don't try to sue me. But they said allegedly, you're not supposed to be eating them. And I know this as a fact that they are supposed to be the least nutritional candy. Like, I think they have no nutritional value.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That makes, I mean, perfect sense. I couldn't. I can't imagine a single thing in there that could be nutritious.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what about Red 40? They don't got ribbon Flavin in there.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I don't think they do. I think somebody told you a lie.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're thinking of eating damn Kool Aid. Got ribbo flavin, E40. Yeah. I feel like Skittles. If they're not supposed to be for human consumption, they must have some other use that we can make for them. It was like a doorstopper.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's like, it's just like food version of the stuff that you put, like, for a hamster to sleep on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, why would you. Have you ever had a hamster? Because that's such a specific reference.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I have not. And I also know, like, texture wise, it is absolutely not the same. But I'm saying, like, that's probably what the food is made out of. That it's like, oh, you can't eat this. It's like, probably it's not meant for. To be eaten.

[Lacey Mosley]

Human consumption.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

My family had a hamster. I almost lucky called PETA on my family because it was something going on with the animals at the house. Like, they weren't beating them. Don't try to call the SPCA on my family. It was just like, you know how black families, like, they just certain. Like, this is. I don't know, it's like a certain age group. I want to say, like Gen X and maybe boomers. Like, if they give animals or pets and stuff, it's like the pet is usually outside or they're like, oh, you know, like, they're not. Nowadays we treat our pets like they're literal children. We take them to the vet all the time and weighing them and giving them the best gourmet dog food and whatever. We had a hamster, and the hamster stayed in the laundry room. Which I was like, doesn't the hamster need to see people during the day? No, he like it in there. We give him carrots.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, we're treating him like a king.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right in the laundry room.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He eats once every two weeks.

[Lacey Mosley]

He eats Chinese food for $15. What you talking about? The hamster Living good. I was like, no, guys, I really do not think the hamster's living good. And then one time I came home, this was in college when they had this hamster for my little sister. And the hamster was just not in the laundry room. And I was like, what happened to the hamster? And they were like, oh, he. He's gone. And I was like, what happened to him?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

There's no. There's no story of a family having a hamster that doesn't just end in like, the hamster is suddenly gone. It's not like a. Oh, we knew he was sick and it's. It was sad. It's like, the hamster died. Please move on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? We never. You're right. It never seems like someone's like, oh, little. I don't know, what's a hamster name? Otis. I don't know. Lil Otis. Yeah, Lil Otis the hamster. I feel like they're never like, Lil Otis ain't on his wheel as much as he used to be. Maybe we should take him to the vet. They're just like, I don't know. We walked in, Lil Otis was dead.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm like, I think it's cause their hamsters are small and they're just like, what? I'm not like taking a tiny thing, putting it in my hands, going to the vet. Like, I think it truly is a size thing. Like, the bigger a thing is, the more you gotta care for it. So a cat and a dog, you're like, that's a kid. But a hamster is like, I literally might not see this thing today.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And I feel like they never even say the hamster died. They just be like, it's gone. Like, anytime somebody's had a hamster and then it died, they were just like, yeah, it's gone. I'm like, what that mean?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It was never alive to them. They were just like, okay, yeah, this little toy we had has disappeared. I don't care.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I think it's cause also like cats and dogs, you're right. They're larger, but they're also emotionally intelligent. And they'll, like, come check on you, like, kick it with you. Depending on what kind of cat you got. Because some cats are. They're just like, girl, they don't want. Right? Because I feel like dogs be like, how was your day? What you do? What'd you see? Who'd you know? Cats are like, oh, you home? You bring food? Don't around and die, because I'm gonna eat your face immediately.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

One of my cats I know is waiting for me to die. They're.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're setting traps, not setting traps. They're like, y' all hear him coughing today over here under this box.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

This box with a little stick under it. Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

You wake up your cats over you with a knife. What's going on?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'd be impressed.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it's time for historic hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Demi with a famous con or caper group of criminals. We don't know yet. We'll see if we like them or we hate them. Y' all know how this show goes. I'm noting up top that there are some mentions of the Palestinian conflict and a very brief mention of officer Darren Wilson's raggedy bitch ass, who was involved in the assassination of the teenager Michael Brown. So. But you know, we're going to try to. We try to keep it light over here. The world is so dark. But, you know, just a warning, y' all up there. Between June 2015 and February 2016, 15 year old Kane Gamble wreaked havoc on social media accounts, inboxes, and on occasion, smart houses of several U.S. government officials using little more than his phone. Okay, so Kane was a normal British teenager who ran. Oh, he's British.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That's a. That is not a normal British teenager. That is a British adult who has been shrunk in a face app.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you right. This is like if you. What. What did you look like 20 years ago?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, so that is just how British teens look.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

They all look like they've been through some shit or like they're all. They all have knives on them, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he's definitely giving Oliver twist. Yes, it's. Please, can I have some more? If that was a face, like, we'll put it on the Instagram so y' all can see what he looks like. But it's definitely giving Olive a twist also. I don't know. He got the face of a criminal. His face is scary to me.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It looks like. Like Tom Holland's playing him in a movie or something. Like, it's like he looks like a criminal, but it's also a criminal where I'm just like. If I saw him, I think I'd kind of want to tussle his hair and be like, don't stab me. What are you doing? Go play.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? You a whipper snapper. Put that knife away.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, here's a bowl. Go on now. Give it a kick.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Okay. Jimmy, come on. You gotta be British after this show. Like, you gotta be British.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm doing it, bro.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm doing it. Yeah, do It. It's so good. It sounds so good on the ear. I love it. Thank you so thank you with that f. Oh, I know the Brits are tired of me. I'm sorry, y'. All. You signed up for this. So he's a normal British teenager who ran his entire operation from the bedroom of his coyville Lester. Share home that he shared with his mother. His home that he shared with his mother. What you mean his home that he shared with his mother? He's his mom house.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

His teen also. He was a teen, so it's just from his home. This isn't like, oh, yeah, well, he's got his own place, but he's at his mom's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we don't expect for teens to be like, yeah, my mama live with me. Like, he live with his mama. But also, like, if you trifling out there and you are. Look, it's not even about being trifling, because millennials, we all. If my parents lived in Los Angeles, I would still live with them because absolutely. That would be a great grift to save money on rent and shit. But, like, if you out there, you still live with your mama. You got to start saying that. You got to be like, oh, yeah, I share a home with my mom.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, she pays for it. Wikipedia page. Like, he was like, last night. I mean, it was my mom's house. I shared my mom.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I shared it with my mom. Oh, she paid all the bills, but we were sharing it. You get it, right?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I was working. You know, I was doing stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

So his closest friend was his mother and a cleaner who had won a 1.6 million pound lottery in 1990, but lost all the money in doomed property deals. God damn.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Okay. A lot of questions is that. I'm like, is that relevant to the story? Is this like, oh, the cleaner had to scam to get that money back? Or is it just. These are just. Also, did the cleaner live with them? How does this cleaner come into this story?

[Lacey Mosley]

The mom is the cleaner.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, okay. I was like, oh, it's his best friend. I thought it was his best friend's. Was his mom. And then also this cleaner. I'm like, okay, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Ann is the mama name. It sounds like. And I should. I should have said on. I should have given it British. Like, it's on. So his mother. His mother's on. Yeah. Annabelle. Annabelle was a cleaner who had won £1.6 million. Now, I gotta say, the pound is strong as £1.6 million is a lot of USD. That's like, it's like 200, right? You could. You could buy America with £1.6 million. Our money's so weak. Oh, so it's $1.9 million USD. Thank you, Judith. We were like, it's a billion dollars in US dollars.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Because our money's mostly has 2 million pounds.

[Lacey Mosley]

Probably legitimately, though, because a lot of his stuff is credit. I'm like, how much money you really got? What's in your bank account, though? What's in your checking and your savings?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Elon Musk, white and African, you got the world, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

So, I mean, you know, you can win the lottery. And then if you don't know how to make financially sound decisions, or if you have a lot of people in your life who have somehow, you know, taken advantage of you or got or cajoled you into sharing the money, you could end up in a worse situation. And in fact, they call it like the lottery curse. Like, a lot of people end up more broke than they were before or dead or, you know, windfall is a dangerous thing if you don't know how to manage it, because people gonna try to steal. Which is why if I ever won a lottery, like, bro, if I have to go accept money, I'm coming in a ski mask.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I think someone did that. Like, I think there is, like, a photo or a video of someone, like, wearing, like, a ghost face mask accepting their lottery winning. So I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't. I'd be like, can I sign under a fake name? Can I change my name temporarily?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

What can I do to be like, no one's seen this.

[Lacey Mosley]

No one's seen this. I don't want nobody to know me. I don't want to. I don't even. Publishers Clearing House, they came to my house with that check. I turn that camera off.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Turn that motherfucking camera off.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cut the cameras. Dead ass jitters. I come back out with a pillowcase over my head. They're like, they gave this money to a Klansman.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Well, yeah, I'm rich now.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't care. Who gonna stop me, right? Who? Go check me, boo. I'm a rich.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

If I win the lottery, I'm not even, like, showing up with a new pair of shoes. I don't want anyone suspecting I'm getting a worse haircut. I'm looking at you like, shit. It's like, damn, he's really not doing well. I will never ask him for anything, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Suddenly, I just start wearing paper sacks and rags. Laci had a lot of clothes all Of a sudden, she's literally like rags. Like, oil rags.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I Carly in pain. It's like, no, no, they. They cut my.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cut me, right? And it's like, no, I just saw you in the season. Nah, n. I ain't making. I know. You see how broke I can be? You know? Like, it's not so wonderful no more. Living life and breathing air is all I can afford. Here we go. Cade spent much of his time researching call centers and government resources to gather enough information to gain access. Numerous accounts not through traditional hacking, but social engineering. Now, what is that?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

The thing about this, that freaks me out is that it's like, it's just kids doing research. I'm already like, what are you doing that for? You're supposed to hate school, but, like, doing research for scams that don't involve you, like, breaking laws. I'm just like. It feels like it should be commended. Like, we shouldn't be like, damn, that sucks. We should just be like, this kid's got a talent.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I'm proud of him, but he needs to be using it for good and not evil. Like, sir. Well, let's see who he scammed, right? Hey, that's. We don't know yet. So. Social engineering is the psychological manipulation of people into performing actions or divulging confidential information. I love how we was just, like, we gave it a fancier title. Social engineering is just tricking people, lying. No, I'm a social engineer.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

My hair is red. Social engineering? Yeah, I got a degree now.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm a social engineer. What that mean? Oh, I. I tell untruths for a living. You know, I weave deceptions. That's my life. His first victim was the then director of the CIA, John Brennan. Now, come the on, Keen, you must have been talented. Not you. You didn't want to scam up. You didn't want to work your way up. You started with the head of the CIA. That feels like ambitious.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's so damning of the CIA, though. Almost as damning as looking at this man's face and being like, oh, that's the head of the CIA. Huh? Bald head. Oh, he looks angry.

[Lacey Mosley]

This man looks evil.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He looks like he just got scammed, but he also looks like the villain in any children's cartoon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it looks like when he went to the bathroom, maybe he, like, zipped his pants up and his balls got caught in the zipper and it stuck like that.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

No time to fix it. I gotta go give a speech to explain why a kid social engineered me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Out of money, right? He's like, I gotta go waterboard. I don't got time to get my balls out of the zipper.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Like, Okay, I know it's, like, almost unfair to riff on a picture that the audience can't see, but doesn't he look like an actor wearing a bunch of makeup for an Oscar role?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, it's giving prosthetics.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, it's giving. The thing about Pam. Renee Zellweger. Why are you in this. This fat suit and.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

And this make Gary Oldman. It's giving. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And you guys will see the picture. We'll throw it up on the Instagram. I'm gonna try to do it on time, guys. I swear. So this is. His first victim is the head of the CIA, which we're not even going to call the head of a CIA victim. Like, the CIA has definitely done a lot of bad things, so you can't get that job without being evil.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, that's allyship. This is British allyship.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. So Cain was able to access the Verizon Internet account of the director of the CIA by pretending to be a Verizon employee and then impersonating Mr. Brennan himself. Wowzers. My guy threw on a red polo and said, can you hear me now? Head of the CIA. Remember that campaign that used to be Homeboy? He'd be like, can you hear me now?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Good.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yes. And then he moved to Sprint.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. He switched sides when his contract was up. That shit was savage.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, my God. Really?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? That felt like some. I feel like Verizon was definitely waiting outside his house. Like. Like, bitch, you really gonna leave us like this? And so, just for reference, when this scam happened, this was under the Obama administration. So that's the time period that we're at. Can I just.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That's too late for this to be a thing that worked. Like, Verizon shouldn't have been that easy to crack. And, like, John Brennan shouldn't have been, like. I don't know, like, cyber attacks were already big in, like, the early 2000s. It shouldn't. Like, a black man shouldn't be president. You still be able to be like, oh, I'm that other guy. Verizon let me into his phone.

[Lacey Mosley]

But, I mean, if a black man could become president, maybe there was a glitch in the Matrix at the time also. I just feel like the CIA is supposed to be the most secretive. Like, y' all are supposed to have the highest clearance. Like, everything in your life should be difficult to hack. How did somebody Just call you like, hey, Hi, this is Daniel from Verizon. Is this the head of the CIA? Yeah, can I get your social real quick? We just, we got some new anytime minutes that you can use. Anytime.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

They were so distracted. They were trying to undermine Obama's administration. They were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, get my phone.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Tan suit, tan suit, tan suit. What do we do with that?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

How do we, what do we do? How do we.

[Lacey Mosley]

We could kill him for that, right? Yeah, yeah. Anybody? Robbery.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

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[Lacey Mosley]

And Frau. At first he was denied access because he couldn't name Mr. Brennan's first pet. So when he tried to break in at first, you know, you got to have first pet. We say it out here all the time. First pet, mother's maiden car. Like, you got to have all this information. But with each subsequent call, he tricked the phone agents into giving him bits of personal information about Mr. Brennan so that eventually he was able to change his pen and security questions. I love calling several different times because you're going to get. This is a beautiful thing about outsourcing. So we are calling a lot of these major companies customer service. A lot of times you're talking to somebody in a completely different country who's just looking a computer and just like, how can I help you? So you could call and talk to multiple different people so none of them know that you've been calling before. You know what I mean? Like, it's not Setting off any flags?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I probably called him up. Like, what was your pet's name? Roger. No, damn, come back. Was it Greg? No, damn. I'm calling back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, it's like, oh, you know what? I actually was hit by several buses last week and I'm having a little amnesia. Did it start with a squirrel S or R or the letters A through Z?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You don't have to tell me what. Just what kind of shape was it? Was it tall shape? Was it a round shape? The first letter.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is it the kind of pet that if it dies, you just say that it's gone? Or is it the kind of pet that, like, you would take to the vet?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Is this an Otis type deal?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Or a Fido type? Yeah, Fido. Let's go with Fido today. So it eventually worked. He used similar tactics to gain access to Mr. Brennan's AOL account with. Sir, during the Obama administration, you had an AOL account and you weren't just using that to, I don't know, sign up for pornhub? Like, you were actually talking to people.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Via AOL and you're the head of the CIA. That's disappointing.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also at the same time, I guess at that time, like, what's going to be like, more ironic and, and feel more secure? Probably aol because everybody had a Gmail at that time.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Maybe, but you don't have like a.

[Lacey Mosley]

@Cia.Com, y' all hit me up on Hotmail. I'm CIA daddyotmail.com Brennaboy.com I'm Waterboard Baby. Like, what? So he uses this. He gets into his AOL account, which led him to remotely gain access to his other email contacts, his icloud storage account, and his wife's iPad. So now this teenager is all the way, has made it to the wife's cloud.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I would be. If I'm this teenager, I'm either feeling like the bravest person on earth or I'm just like terrified. Like, I'm just like, I don't know how you go that far without being like, oh my God, I'm in the CIA's iPad. I should stop. But he's probably like, fuck it, let's go.

[Lacey Mosley]

It feels like a good time. And also, what do you want? We still don't know what this baby wants.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, CIA money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, no clue. So those accounts held information that allowed him to access extremely sensitive accounts holding other information about military and intelligence operations in Afghanistan and in Iran. Additionally, a number of emails stored in Mr. Brennan's non government account contained the Social Security numbers and personal information of more than a dozen top American intelligence officials, as well as a government letter about the use of harsh interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

This is like the plot of two Mission Impossible movies. And he got it by just being like, oh, yeah, my pet's name. It's. You know my pet's name. You know my pet's name. Let's say it on the count of three, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

One.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Otis. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mr. Nipples. Yep, yep, that's what I was gonna say.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Mr. Nipples of Gmail. That's my. Yeah, that's me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's me. But Mr. Brenham was only the same start to Cain's campaign. So he just started at the top. Oh, my God, no, Drake for him not started at the bottom. Now we hear he started at the summit. He was like, now we're going to the moon. What? With his mission against the US government, Cain founded the hacker group. Oh, no. Ok, the name of the hacker group.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

No, no. Okay, drop it on me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Crackers with Attitude. No cwa.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Okay. On some level I appreciate it as a pun, like, because crackers, as in like the guys that crack software and whatnot, but I don't know if that's what he was going for as he.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is a wild child. NWA is Niggas with Attitude. And he said, we are Crackers with Attitude. I think it is a double entendre, though. It's like we are technically saltine colored, I guess.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

How old was he at this time? Also? Is he. He's 15, you said.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, he's a teenager. I don't know how old he is at this time.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Probably redacted.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, 15. No, I said it. You're right, he was 15 years old. So also kind of a deep cut for the like, what this 2009, is it the late 2000, not the late 2, but like the late early 2000s.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Like. Yeah, but if you're a white British teen, you are like, you are desperate for that like sort of cool culture. Like you're digging into like old rap history just to sort of be like, what is my thing? That I can be like, oh, I'm not like all the other white British kids and snigs with that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Women crack us with attitudes.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That's right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no. Help.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

The police. Coming straight from the underground.

[Lacey Mosley]

He is fucking the police. He's fucking the head of the police. He's fucking the CIA. That's the policeman of the world. So he really did. He really was saying the police. I don't know. I kind of. I don't know, I stay in Kane. We'll see. So I joined crackers with attitude. I'm like, can we. Y' all need a diversity hire. So according to Kane, his motivation wasn't money or personal satisfaction. It all started by me getting more and more annoyed about how corrupt and cold blooded the US Government is. So I decided to do something about it. When a reporter later interviewed him, questioning his motives, Kane shared some additional details about him and his group. Oh, note that his voice is encrypted during the interview. In the describing group, Kane says, we're not, like, stupid. We're. But we're not really smart. Okay, whatever. Can we see that video? All right, so we have a little clip of his encoded voice because he did an interview that went up on cnn. So we're just going to listen. Listen to that. And you smoke pot all day, every day. You're saying you might have hacked the director of the CIA while you were high?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Probably.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you sophisticated hackers?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I would kind of put us, like, in the middle. Maybe we're not, like, stupid, but we're not.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love the flex of being like, y' all are gonna act like I'm some super genius who hacked y'.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

All. He's like, I'm 12. All right, here. I don't have an ID to show you. It's illegal to air this without my mom's consent. She will not sign on this because I'm supposed to be in school right now, and I hacked the government.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, I don't get fractions, but I do get into the CIA.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I have to go now. I'm grounded.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? He was like, I want y' all to know that we're basic as fuck, because y' all are even more basic. Er, okay. And also, what you mean you go outrun the government? Like, he said, what is that?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

What does that have to do with, like, he's like, you know, I could probably go to Russia. I'm a pretty fast runner.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gonna run to Russia from the uk, My guy? What is happening? You're very funny. I love this level of trolling.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I also love that he's like, oh, I live in America. And it's like you can tell from your voice that you do not live in America. The voice that is not very encrypted. It's like they just sort of put a lower layer on it. But it's still. You can hear his voice below.

[Lacey Mosley]

You could kind of still hear the accent. So after he targeted Mr. Brenner, Kane anonymously posted on Twitter, CIA set your game up, homies. We own everything. And then hashtag free Palestine, hashtag CWA. He also shared information. He grabbed on WikiLeaks and Twitter. Then he set his sights on the next target, the then Secretary of Homeland Security, J. Johnson. Oh, he was really coming after the girlies. I don't know. I'm not mad. The American government is a scam.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

No, I am. I'm proud of this child. But I'm like, also just like, what's his skin in the game? He's a British team.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because you were bored. Because, like, you're not getting a check. You didn't try to ransom the information off or sell it to, you know, a foreign government that would have loved to have it.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You just, like, hosted it for clout, I guess, anonymously.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, using similar social engineering techniques, Kane was able to gain access to Mr. Johnson's voicemails and send texts from his phone. I wonder what kind of text he's sending. He left Mr. Johnson call after call and boasted that he Shreked him. I do not know.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You got Shreked? You live in a small town.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got Shrek, bitch.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Make me some waffles, bitch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. What? Yeah, he's dossing.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, I don't know who he is in this scenario.

[Lacey Mosley]

He similarly bombarded Mr. Johnson's wife with calls and left her voicemail saying, hi, spooky. Am I scaring you? What?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I just strict your husband. You scared?

[Lacey Mosley]

This man really was high. This little boy. This little boy man was definitely high. Kane was even able to gain access to the television at Mr. Johnson's home, using it to post. Post messages like, I own you. Damn. Imagine turning on your tv. You thought. You thought she was about to watch the Bachelorette.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Show. I own you. I don't like this on every channel.

[Lacey Mosley]

Around October 2015, Kane celebrated his 16th birthday by pretending to be Mark Giuliano, the FBI's then deputy director, to call the FBI help desk. What? He then used the information to gain access to the FBI's Law Enforcement Enterprise for Portal LEAP. LEAP is a gateway providing law enforcement agencies and intelligence groups and criminal justice agencies access to beneficial resources. So basically our private information. According to Kane at the time, this has to be the biggest hack. I have access to all the details the feds use for background checks. Now, what did you do with this? Now, if you can hack this. Well, why haven't you hacked Navi and or Sallie Mae? You really want to help Americans? Like, wipe the debt the wrong targets.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Maybe they got better security like, the CIA is the small potatoes. And like, Sallie Mae somehow just has, like, Mission Impossible level, like, laser grids protecting who owes them money.

[Lacey Mosley]

She probably does, because that bitch, before she became navient, she was ruthless. And also, the Education Connection video has resurfaced on Twitter. And I was like, this is what did it. This is what put the millennials in debt. Remember that? Like, educate. How did that, the song, go for Education Connection?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I don't even remember.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, we all know it, but I can't think of it right now.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

If I heard, like, the first few notes, I'd be like, this, then I.

[Lacey Mosley]

Would immediately drop resurfacing.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I got. Yeah, Manchurian Candidated.

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly. Because we all know that song, and it's why we are all in debt. So even after the password was changed, Kane was able to call the help desk again, pretending to be Mr. Giuliano and change it back. Wowzers. Kane used this access to steal and post online personal details of Officer Darren Wilson. Officer Wilson was the officer who shot and killed Michael Brown, an African American teenager in Ferguson, Missouri. He also continued to harass the Juliano family to the point where an armed guard was placed at their home. Later, and with the help of another member of the cwa, Kane hacked into the accounts of the senior science and technology advisor, John Holdren, and incited an Army SWAT team being deployed to Mr. Holtran's house.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

To the. To the. I mean, that's a, like, a known person. That's like, if they were to send, like, a SWAT team to, like, Brad Pitt's house, like, they could have been like, oh, we. That's so weird.

[Lacey Mosley]

The SWAT team wasn't like, this seems weird. Yeah. They telling us we supposed to go down. No. Y' all tactical gear.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Then I got a new gun. I want to test it out. I don't care who. Where we're going.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? It was like, hop in and then do that. Correct.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Sorry. I have so many questions about just how he hacked this guy's tv, how he's getting to these people's phones and calling companies. Because he's got his own voice. Is he calling the companies? Just going, I am an older person and not a British teenager. I'm the president. I'm the CIA director. Can I have my password?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Are you telling me all the government passwords are 12, 34, 100? They are like. It's like.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 6? They think that's the trick, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like we jump a number and nobody's ever gonna know what the password is? Just your name, your full name. He also targeted the private calls and emails of White House Deputy National Security Advisor Avril Haynes and the FBI Executive Assistant Director for Science and Technology, Amy Hess. It's unclear why Kane targeted Amy Hess, but ironically, he was able to download films to her computer, including hackers and V for Vendetta and one porn just for a little razzle dazzle. One porn?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Was it like a hacker themed porn? Like, he has a theme there and he's just like, throw porn in there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we got to sprinkle some. Sprinkle some anal in there.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

We don't want to freak her out. We want her to be like, we're gonna get you. Oh, we're still gonna get you. But here's one for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Have you ever seen Mendingo? What? So he also changed an equipment list in her files to a list of derogatory terms. Kane was able to gain control of the Verizon account of Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and forward all his home calls to the Free Palestine Movement. Kane later contacted the publication Vice to inform them of the hack and posted to Twitter. When the reporter contacted Von Awir Heaton, the former intelligence Executive of the U.S. national Geospatial Intelligence Agency, to let her know that her information was posted, she reportedly answered, laughing. I'm sorry, I have no insight into that, but that's really unfortunate. Have a great day. Okay, Vonna. Like, Vonna was like, I don't care. Bye.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, Vonna was like, I don't have time for this. There's an asteroid or something and that I gotta deal with.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm doing workshops. Can I call y' all back?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Verizon seems like the common thread here. Like, they just have some really shitty security going on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, everybody, maybe we shouldn't be with Verizon anymore. They said, can you scam me now? I mean, can you hear me now, Verizon? What's going on? And I love that. Von is a black woman who is unbothered. She was just like, I don't got time for this shit.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, you got my info? Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's giving very much. Like they call you a black mama to come up to school because you talking too much in class. And then your mama, like, y' all call me up here for this?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, beat his ass. Beat his ass. I'm tired. I don't care.

[Lacey Mosley]

That. Beat his ass. Good Lord. So Kane's chaos comes to an end. Cain's campaign of harassment against the feds eventually came to an end in February 2016. He had just gained access to the US Department of Justice, its network. Over several days, CWA published the names, phone numbers and emails of more. So there are the Jackson People of 20,000 FBI agents and 9,000 DHS officers, as well as case files on Deepwater Horizon oil spill, accompanied by the message, this is for Palestine.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, my God. I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Palestine is like, why am I in it?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Like, they're like, well, okay, they are going to get us back for this. Please do not involve us in this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? We're going through enough over here.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Now leave me alone.

[Lacey Mosley]

Stop tagging us. Untag me. I'm in this photo and I don't like it.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

We changing our name. That's not. That's not us no more. It feels also just like how this feels like such a massive hack. And I can't believe I didn't hear about it. Like, for them to release the name of like 20,000 officers and like it be connected to Palestine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, and also, why doesn't the government find him? It seems like y' all really let him just cook for a minute because he.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He was in a place they couldn't access. England. Shit, we only got 50 states. Where is this guy? Where is he?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, he's not in America. Oh, well, we got water boards and war crimes to do. We got to get back to it. So that was the tipping point. Now, the FBI and the US Secret Service were so concerned that he had seen too much that they immediately called the UK police. Cain was arrested at his home home. He initially refused to answer any police questions, denied that he was the hacker, and was released on bail after seven hours in a cell. Kane's defense claims his actions were naive and that he never meant to harm anyone, which I don't. I feel like he meant to harm the government, which, yeah, this government probably people.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You ain't wrong.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? And they don't treat us like people, so I don't know. In an Internet chat, Kane once said he had considered not sharing any more information because it put lives at risk. But then thought, they're killing it into people every day. Not wrong, Kane. You are not wrong.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He's a good guy. I like this kid. I know I've got a good head on the shoulders. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

CWA Kane pleaded guilty to eight charges of performing a function with the intent to secure unauthorized access to computers and two charges of unauthorized modification of computer material. Justice hadn't cave sentenced the. Okay, so the justice hadn't cave. He sentenced the then 16 year old to 2 years in youth detention. The first ever youth to be given jail time for hacking in the uk I would say uk Hire him. Why are y' all letting this genius waste away in a little baby jail when he could be working for y', all, getting y' all all the intel that y' all need?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He should have gotten out of, like, jail with a full ride somewhere, right to genius school.

[Lacey Mosley]

He spent eight months in the high security prison of Belmarsh, AKA Hell Marsh, and one year on probation, I imagine. UK is UK Jail. It can't be as bad as American jail.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I don't. I don't know. I. There's no way it is. But, I mean, that. That. It just reminds me of Paddington. And I'm like, well, didn't look that bad. I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

It's a little colorful, and they got someone on the bottom, like, mopping the floors, but with one of those, like, electric mops. And, like, in the. In the US they'd be like, I'm spitting on the ground. Wipe that all around, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

With a toothbrush that you also still have to use. Like, our jails are slavery. They are literally just modern slavery. So. I don't know.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

This guy's got green pants on. I don't know. They got style in UK jails. I don't. I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

You see, like, green pants, y' all not wearing orange. Y' all don't got on black and white. They give you bread and water. Yeah. Okay. If you've been to UK jail, let us know. Is it who? If you've been to UK jail and American jail, if you've done a tour, let us know.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

If you escaped one and then were like, I'm gonna commit a crime elsewhere and still fail, let us know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let us know. We want to know what it's giving. So getting back online. Since his arrest, Kane was banned from using the Internet and any computer until April 2020. How do you ban somebody from the Internet? Like, how are you gonna know he's on the Internet?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Also? A kid, like. Like, I could just be like, all right, I'm gonna open up incognito tab. But this kid could just be like, I'm literally gonna create a new IP address. Like, you can't prove it. It's just up to his mom to be like, are you on the. Are you on the computer? He's like, yeah, but are you on the Internet? No. All right, it's fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, then. No, I trust you. I'm playing the Sims.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm not online. I'm playing the Sims, mum.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. He's since been working on establishing a career in cybersecurity. He partially works hunting bug bounties, which are bounties awarded to hackers and researchers who discover flaws in the company's programs. So he's basically. He hacks in, like. Like you were saying earlier when you're not impressed by scammers because you're like, this isn't good enough. He's like, oh, yeah, we gotta. I already found holes. I robbed y'. All.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what he should. I mean, I like what he did.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He's my shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm proud of him. Right? He's my child. In his most recent statement, Kane said, I'm old to now, and I have no interest in crime. I just want to get on with me life now.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I hope the quote says me life.

[Lacey Mosley]

It does. It says my life. But I wanted to save me life.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

So I'm going on to sixth form now. I don't have any interest in crime. That was the only.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was over me, isn't it? Just getting on with me life now. That's what I want. I want him to sound like a pirate.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I've left crackers with attitude behind, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Are you still a cracker or a doll?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah. He's in the White Tang Clan now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no. Well, you know, shout out to you, Kane, it sounds like you just did a lot of good snitching on arguably the most evil government in the world.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

So, hey, we're even for that tea party shit now.

[Lacey Mosley]

You good, right? Do you think the water tasted good when they threw all that tea in it?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, delicious.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like busting a little bit, perhaps, right?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Go to Boston. Just taste some.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's still there, right? How's the water in Boston now, y'? All? How does it taste? Somebody go take a scoop out of the Boston River. Nah, don't do that. I know that tastes. All right, guys, that is the end of the historic hoodwinks. And now it is time for the saddest part of the show where I'm gonna have to let Demi go. But not before we talk about a scammer of the week. This is where we honor a charlatan who's worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We'll see. Today we're talking about the Orlando Museum of Art, which is under fire after it was discovered to have been displaying 25 fake Jean Michel Basquiat paintings. Wow.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Love it. Well, I don't like them profiting off of a black artist's work.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, what is a museum if not colonization persevering? Like, what is a museum if it's not like, we stole all of this? Come look at it.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Especially these where, like, it kind of looks like a child's art, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And you know, when, like, extreme couponers on those shows, they'll show everyone the haul that they got, like the, you know, 500 paper towel rolls and, you know, 68 cans of tuna. It's like that, but for theft from native people. And, you know, black and brown people, they're like, look at all this shit we stole. And we put the lights under it. We temperature controlled it. We got little lasers. Like, y' all don't own any of this. Y' all are thieves. And I really want to know what the date is for us to stop, like, stealing other people's shit and acting like that's okay. Like, I want to steal things and put them on display in my house and be like, yeah, I got this from Madison on 18th Street. Yeah, I just went to her house and took it. And now it's under this light.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

As long as you display it, that's fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. As long as you display the things you steal with, like, a good light and a podium, then it's not that gift. That's called museuming. That's what I'm telling people when I get arrested. No, I'm just museuming.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You're trying to bring down a black business owner, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

A definitely black business owner. Okay, hold on. Let me take this ski mask off so y' all can see that I'm black. I'm in here curating. So. The paintings were a part of the museum's heroes and monsters exhibition, which consisted of one man's collection. He purported to have been bought directly from Basquiat. However, upon further questioning, the man admitted that he had never met the artist, who died in 1988. Additionally, the brand mark made on the inside of the paintings Was found to be blatantly in the wrong spots. The art dealer who housed the art at the around the time that the exhibit was said to have been painted said it was unlikely he actually painted them, but was pressured into corroborating supporting the stories in exchange for 10% of the sale price. So he got some coin, and it.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Was like, this is the whole point that you shouldn't be able to pay off, like, an authenticator, because then it's like, what, do you just pay them and be like, yeah, it's real, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, like, what is the job of an authenticator. It's like a handwriting expert. It's like, at some point, some of that shit is bullshit. Like, you telling me you know everything, that this man painted the same shit.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Is like calling the Verizon people, like, a million times. Like, you go to one authenticator, they're like, no, it's fake. It's like, why is it fake? Like, because of this. And then it's like, cool, I'm gonna fix that and go to another authenticator. They'll be like, that's pretty good, but this part's fake.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, tell me exactly why it's fake. Yeah, and if it were real, how would it look different from this? And just taking notes, like, interesting.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

And you're saying you wouldn't be able to tell if this was here? Interesting.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, okay, okay. So, okay, so if someone were to make an identical replica, then what else would they need to do? I'm just checking. Okay.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm just checking.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right. Yeah. Help me get better. I want to improve. At fraud, the director of the museum, Aaron DeGroft, has lost his job after allegedly presenting false information about the ownership of the paintings, which, if real, would have been worth $110 million. Mind you, this man is dead and gone. $110 million to who? Where would the money go? Would it go to Basquiat's family? Who's selling this?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

No, it literally just whoever had it to whoever is, like, gonna have it next. It's. So it's all a scam. It's all just money laundering.

[Lacey Mosley]

And look at this art curator over here. He looked guilty. He was like, oh, y' all got them cameras on. Can y' all turn them cameras off?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

What is this tie? This is a tie full of, like, soda can tabs. This man is not an art curator.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? His tie looks like if you were to look at, like, a hand washing station under a microscope, it looked like germs.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said, no, give me that tie with the germ. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put that on. That gives art curator, right? This is artistic. This time it says Sotheby's. Right? And he slicked his hair back. He's given like, I'm an art man, but an art businessman.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

He's like art man of the Pawn Stars world, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's exactly what he's giving. He does not look like he should have been running this museum. Regardless, when an expert approached Groff saying the paintings were fake, he replied, shut up, do your academic thing and stay in your Limited Lane.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Oh, these pains are fake. Hush your mouth.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shut up. Shut your. Shut your ass up. Shut your bitch ass up right now. You want 1%, right? These are real Basquiatos. That's not the name. No, no. Shut up. Don't look too close. Okay. It's like Basquiat, but with a K.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

These are Basquiat for Target. Shut your ass up.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

For Target? Yes. The collection he did for Target. It's cool.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, no, it's cool. Come on now. At some point, Boscat was in a room with these paintings. Probably they got. Shut your ass up. So the FBI has since seized the paintings and is launching an investigation. I love how the government gets to just take shit from people, and nobody else can do that. I want to seize things. Why can't I seize something?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

You can. It's just you got to curate. You got to seize and curate at the same time. I also love starting an investigation for something like this, where it's like, I have the pictures, the investigation's done. It's fake. What do you need to investigate?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I feel like y' all trying to sell them, too. What do you need them for?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

We're going to start an investigation into how much these. How much they were bought for.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, I feel like this is none of the FBI's business. We have real problems. You're telling me my tax dollars are going to. You investigating some patents?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Yeah, you got to investigate Verizon. What's going on over there?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, what did Verizon get an investigation after that?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Because they're probably like, that's all bad. We'll have two passwords. Now.

[Lacey Mosley]

We'Ve started asking, what was your first serial?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

We trained all our employees to recognize a British accent, right? So that's not ever gonna happen again.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't worry. We told our employees to stop telling people passwords when they asked, when they called, because we actually didn't have that in the training. We actually never explicitly said, if people ask, what's my password, don't tell them.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Ain't nobody's perfect. Sprint.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, we ain't Sprint. Right. The ghetto. This ain't Cricket. Okay? I feel like Cricket Wireless probably got hella security. Like, they probably.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I don't hear. I don't hear no complaints about Cricket Wireless.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they got mostly flip phones. You ain't hacking at Cricket. Okay? They're taking the blurriest flip phone camera videos.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

They're not connected to the Internet. There's nothing to hack.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I feel like if you take a nude on Cricket it won't even look like a nude, so you don't even got to worry about it getting leaked.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Damn shorty got a nice arm maybe, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe it's either. It's either the inside of her elbow and her arm or her booty. But it's so pixelated, we can't. It just looks like a bunch of large flesh colored squares. Yeah. Love it. Love it. Guys, that brings us to the end of a fantastic episode. Demi, thank you so much for being here.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Thank you for having me.

[Lacey Mosley]

We always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found?

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm on Twitter and Instagram at Electrolemon. I got nothing to plug for now, so on the streets just be like, what's up? Nah, don't have podcasts to plug anymore. I don't do anything. I sit in this room all day and think about starting stuff and then go, nah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You have so much like musical equipment. I mean, I know you. You are very talented as a musician, but seeing it in the background, I'm like, this is so legit. Like, ooh, you got a studio. Studio. Several guitars, pianos. Okay, Prince, you play everything. Okay.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

I'm the exact same Prince spread that I will.

[Lacey Mosley]

Jimmy's the exact same as Prince and also Basquiat.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

That's right. It's me, Prince and Basquiat all in a room together. But not doing anything that you should.

[Lacey Mosley]

Know about still, which sounds very scammy and I love that for you, not doing anything you should know about. Love that. That's what I would start telling people. You got anything to plug? No.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Mind your business.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mind your. Shut up.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

Shut up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, guys, as always, stitch on your friends and family at Scam. Got his [e-mail]. if you want to see all the photos we were talking about. Scam got his pod on Instagram if you want to follow me and my shenanigans. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey. On all platforms. Congregation, stay busy. Adding this has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Skam got his stars and is hosted by Me Lake, AKA Skam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming. This has been a Team Coco production.

[Demi Adejuyigbe]

In association with Earwolf.

[Lacey Mosley]

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