
Laci welcomes Tracy Clayton and Josh Gywnn (Back Issue) to discuss a teenager who led authorities on a wild goose chase across the nation by stealing planes, all the while not wearing shoes. Plus, a 62-year-old artist turns being catfished into a friendship. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 10/11/2021) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Tracy Clayton: @brokeymcpoverty Josh Gwynn: @regardingjosh Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-life-and-escapades-of-colton-harris-moore/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/what-happened-to-barefoot-bandit-colton-harris-moore https://www.heraldnet.com/news/colton-harris-moore-asks-judge-to-shorten-supervised-release/ https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/waw/press/2010/nov/pdfs/10-CR-00336-INDI_31856.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20150509001325/http://www.katu.com/news/local/63636867...
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What's Poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess.
And we're back with another installment of.
Yes.
Scam Goddess, the podcast dedicated to robbery fraud and all those who practice it.
I'm your host, Lacey Mose.
Did I say that? You know these intros getting sloppier and sloppier chile. But I am. What? Say it with me. Yes. I'm excited.
I'm very excited.
For today's guest. We have one returning guest and one new guest. So I'm really excited for you guys. Today we have two guests on the show. They host the amazing podcast Black Issue, which in each episode explores stories behind formative pop culture moments that changed us, honey. Check out season two now with new episodes every Monday. Congratulation.
Please welcome Josh Gwynn and Tracy Clayton.
Hi. Hi.
Tracy Clayton
It's great to be back. Thanks for having me.
Lacey Mosley
Yes.
We had such a fun time. I think we did this during the pandemic. Tracee, I don't think we've ever met in real life, and I feel like we have not.
Tracy Clayton
We haven't met in real life, but you are in my heart, as if we have.
Lacey Mosley
Yes.
Oh, wait, did I say black issue? And I should have said back issue. It's actually written correctly here. Josh is so professional, also a producer. He typed in the chat. He was like, it's issue. It's back issue. They just both black. And then my brain was like, black.
Josh Gwynn
Sometimes it is black issue. Sometimes it is.
Tracy Clayton
I do it sometimes.
Lacey Mosley
Back issue, guys. Back issue. It's called. The podcast is called Back Issue. Okay, but there are. There are some blacks on it. We'll be talking about issues. So not. Not too far off there, but. Yes, but. Oh, goodness. And I'm reading the description of this. I have to listen to this podcast. Not y' all talking about Monica punching Brandy before they performed. Things people don't really be knowing, you know, other than the community.
Tracy Clayton
Right.
Lacey Mosley
But I have to ask, like, what is. Individually, we'll start with you, Josh, since you're new to the show. Like, what's your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? It could literally be anything.
Josh Gwynn
I'm fascinated by them. Like, I feel like a lot of times. Well, recently there's been all these, like, scam documentaries that have come out. Like, I just watched the Lula Rich one.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, yes, that was tasty. I'm actually probably gonna be in one of those. I do documentaries.
What?
But not that one. But I be doing documentaries. I was like, girl, you got some.
Tracy Clayton
Lularo in your closet.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, no, I do not. Child and pumpkin spice leggings had a hold on the community.
Josh Gwynn
You were not even cute. And I was like, how are people.
Tracy Clayton
Not a single scammed?
Lacey Mosley
Well, Josh, we're gonna get into that scam on a different episode. But I do have to ask you, what was your. Have you finished that documentary?
Tracy Clayton
I did.
Lacey Mosley
Okay. What was your favorite part?
Josh Gwynn
I think when. I mean, it's weird to say it's my favorite part because I felt like it ruined so many people's lives. But when they put all of the leggings outside and they started growing mold, and all the little workers were like, excuse me, why do these leggings smell? And the bosses were like, I don't know what you're talking about. They don't smell. They're fine.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, that was wild. Like, yes, they do smell.
Y' all gotta drop down comment section talking about stank ass leggings. You guys, if it's happening so often that you're like, let's just put a drop down. Cause you can't. Every time they type in, it's happening a little too often. I think that means it's Google recent searches. Oh, man, that whole thing killed me. I think my favorite part was the black woman. Without spoiling any of it for you guys, there's very few black people involved in this. But the ones that are, one of the black women spoke up and it was so funny. Cause a part of the scam is like, they rewarded you with like these cruises.
Josh Gwynn
These cruises.
Lacey Mosley
And she said, you know, I had to respectfully decline. Cause I'm not getting on no boat in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of white people. I said, I know that's right.
Josh Gwynn
The only time anyone in that documentary made sense.
Lacey Mosley
I was like, sis, I know that's right. And look, that's no shade to the white community and our listeners. But have you ever seen a TV show or documentary or a true crime series where there was one black person at the party? Always die. They always die. Never good. It's never. It's bad. It's always bad. I wouldn't take that risk either. Sistering. Okay, Tracy, what's your relationship with scams? Welcome back to the show.
Tracy Clayton
Good to be here. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Good to be here. I love a scam. As long as I'm not the one being scammed. One of my favorite shows is American Greed. I will marathon that the way that people marathon, like Friends or whatever it is I do. One of my favorite things in the world right now is the. The relationship scam episodes of Dr. Phil.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, Lord. Dr. Phil is a scammer himself.
Tracy Clayton
Absolutely. Top scammer, top scammer. But there was this one woman, she's like, I don't know, 64, 65 years old, thinking that she is engaged to the rapper Post Malone. And I'm like, sis, okay, but have you seen Post Malone?
Josh Gwynn
Was it an email scam or something?
Tracy Clayton
She, I can't remember. Probably met him on like Facebook or just like a random email or something or some one of the swipes, Tinder. Who knows, right?
Lacey Mosley
But if there's a rapper that I think that as a 65 year old I could pull, it definitely is Post Malone.
Tracy Clayton
You know, it's like, Jack Harlow.
Lacey Mosley
I'm like, yeah, I don't know. But Post Malone. I don't know who. How old is Post malone? He's either 23 or 67.
Tracy Clayton
So he looks on the 67 side. Absolutely.
Lacey Mosley
I feel like he's very gettable. I feel like I would be like, yeah, this makes sense. Post Malone was like, congratulations, we in our relationship. And I was like, yeah.
Tracy Clayton
I was just like, well, Granny, if he ain't put you on the gram, then it's probably not real.
Lacey Mosley
You know, Listen, just saying, okay, the way these rappers be out here, don't know if I can get on the gram. I don't know. Granny might have something popping. I think y' all doubting Granny too much. I love her self esteem. I love her self esteem that she was like, absolutely. This is definitely Post Malone dming me. Okay?
Tracy Clayton
I will absolutely watch the full episode because I did not do that. And I will let y' all know. I will let y' all know if Post Malone is out here with your memaw in these streets.
Lacey Mosley
Post Malone dating everybody's meemaw. Hi, the meemaws, y'. All. You heard it here first. All right, guys. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What's hot and fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about a popping scam. And the zeitgeist are more often than not these days. We take your listener letters so you can snitch on your friends and family at Scam. Got his pot Gmail dot com. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to. What?
Yes.
Up your bag.
Amen.
So, Josh, Tracy, I need a fake name for our listener letter today. We don't care about gender. It can be anything.
Tracy Clayton
Sharita.
Lacey Mosley
Sarita. Yes, Sarita. So Sarita says, oh, some nice things, Serena. You know, I'm a skip, but I do love reading them. So y' all keep writing them, but that's very sweet. So Sarita says I'm writing in about a scam that happened to my parents a few months back that I thought was pretty clever, and I hope it doesn't happen to anybody else.
Oh, that's nice.
Nice. It probably will. But I appreciate you putting a BOLO out on the scam, Serena.
Tracy Clayton
It's sweet. It's sweet.
Lacey Mosley
So during the pandemic, my parents started losing their minds with boredom, as did everyone else In January 2021, after being locked inside their house. You don't gotta give us all this. Like, everybody loves to look I know there's something very shameful. There's a stigma that we've attached to Covid in the latent stages, where it's like, if you getting Covid now, we know you was out here sucking booty holes at the Applebee's because everybody else was inside. Shame. Like, that's how like. Like, anybody who I know has gotten Covid, except for very close friends who feel comfortable being honest with me. They'll be like, I don't know how I got it. Like, everybody don't know. All y' all don't know. All I go to is the grocery store and a mask. And then sometimes I literally touch physical grass. And then I go home. I don't know how Ms. Rona snuck in my throat, and I'm like, it's fine. You went to. You went to an indoor gathering with four friends you trusted, and, you know, one of them had, you know, Ms. Delta was in the building doing her probate, hitting her steps.
Tracy Clayton
White people are out here coughing on folks, though. I am just saying.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, yeah, that is true.
That is true.
Tracy Clayton
We'll be doing that.
Lacey Mosley
Which, if you can catch them, that's a crime, y'. All.
Tracy Clayton
Okay?
Josh Gwynn
It really is.
Lacey Mosley
People no more, right? Like, it used to just be a rude thing that happened on, like, Flavor of Love, but now if you cough and spit on people, like, court, bye, pumpkin. And I'm gonna show up in a neck brace, okay?
Tracy Clayton
Limping with three crushes. Three of them.
Lacey Mosley
I'm gonna get all the money you got, okay? Forget a slip and fall. Cough on me so I can take you straight to the. But, yeah, that's like, you know, everybody's making their qualifiers. And I get it. Like, two years in the house, like, we're human beings. Like, going on out there and get you a little rental or whatever. Child, we not judging, okay? I'd prefer you be vaccinated, but, you know, other than that. So, you know, the parents were getting stirred crazy, says Serita. So she says, normally my parents are strictly hotel people, but in this instance, they wanted a change of scenery to spice it up a little bit. You are all up in your parents business. How about some spice up? Get it up. Spicing it up, Ashley.
Tracy Clayton
Hey, that gives me hope. I don't know what y' all talking about.
Lacey Mosley
Sweetie, you are a little too involved in your parents business. Talk about spicing up. What next you gonna tell me? You know, what kind of lube they like? Like, get out your parents business. So this was before the vaccines were readily available. So they Knew they'd have to do a two week quarantine when they got to la. They opted for an Airbnb. Okay, cool. And this is different than their regular cool parents lifest. Okay, you really all in your parent. I can't even say nothing because I be in my parents business too, so it's fine. So upon booking a nice spot, the hotel reached out to my mom suggesting an alternative payment plan. Or the host. Excuse me. I'm sure she saw my mom's nice long term booking and saw an opportunity to pocket a large lump sum. She said that she hates booking through Airbnb because they charge so many fees to the renter and take a percentage from the host. Now she's not wrong about that. And I don't Airbnb. And y' all know that about this podcast. I will spend the rest of my life slandering Airbnb wherever I can.
Josh Gwynn
What happened?
Lacey Mosley
Whenever I can. I chose this letter on purpose. Cause fuck them. Wait, what happened with Airbnb?
Josh Gwynn
Yeah, what happened?
Lacey Mosley
I have talked about it on a previous episode, but they just did some shady shit where like they basically believed this super racist guy who lied about my rental. They kicked me off the app.
Josh Gwynn
They be doing that when I had.
Lacey Mosley
A rental for my birthday and I had to like scam and like do it through somebody else. But like I talked about them on Twitter and every time I talk about them on Twitter, they hopping in the comments. I'm about hit our DMS. No, I'm not coming to your DMs. We talked about this before. Y' all want to act this way, fine.
Tracy Clayton
You chose my violence on this day. You chose it for me.
Lacey Mosley
It's always violence with Airbnb. So this host is like, I'm trying to help y' all out and I'm trying to help myself out. Sounds cute enough. So see, she suggested that she and my mom book the stay off site where she would accept a Venmo payment for the price of the booking minus the fees and take the dates down on Airbnb to lock it in. My mom agreed and Venmo her half of the money as a deposit. Again, this was a two month stay at a nice home in la. So even half of the money was like, you know, a few thousand dollars. So two weeks before my parents were set to go out to la, the host emailed my mom saying that she found a long term renter to lease the home to and that my parents stay would be canceled. She would Venmo the money back in the full Amount that my mom had already paid. Of course, that never happened. My mom knew exactly what was happening and immediately kicked into high gear. She started emailing the woman incessantly. I know that's right.
Tracy Clayton
She put on Airbnb manager.
Lacey Mosley
She flipped them short bangs to the side, and she said, what she won't do, bitch. She threw a little Vidal Sassoon on it first. And I'm not mad at that.
Tracy Clayton
Not for Dallas Sassoon.
Lacey Mosley
She hit it with a little bit. Just make sure it stays straight. You know she gonna be sweating a little bit. Cause she mad on the ban. Hey, Yang. Yes. Oh, okay. God damn. Oh, that was beautiful. Y' all can sing. See, black people can always sing. Oh, shit.
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Lacey Mosley
That was Josh.
Tracy Clayton
Alberto.
Lacey Mosley
So when we found the woman on Instagram and tried to contact her there, we saw that she's an actress in LA and was living her best life in Covid. Bopping around and running errands. My sister and I all DMed her to. No response.
Tracy Clayton
Who was this actress you out here scamming and then just living life and just spreading Covid as well?
Lacey Mosley
Like, pick a crime.
Josh Gwynn
Can you call Venmo? Can Venmo help us in this situation?
Lacey Mosley
So I researched this, and what I found was, is that if someone wrongfully sends you money, of course you can just send it back. But if you send somebody money and it's a scam, all you can do is request on Venmo and then live on a prayer.
Josh Gwynn
Oh, my God, that's it.
Tracy Clayton
Like, they're going to be like, oh, damn. They didn't send me a Venmo request. The scam is over.
Lacey Mosley
I ain't in it.
Tracy Clayton
Oh, goodness.
Lacey Mosley
It's just a vehicle for your money, okay? This is like the bus for your money. The bus don't turn around. The bus don't stop. If you leave something on the bus, you got to meet us at the junction, bitch. Like, what we supposed to do? We gotta get to the next stop.
Tracy Clayton
There's something wrong with Venmo. Help somebody out.
Lacey Mosley
They say they're not gonna do it. They can't get their hands dirty any dirtier than they already are. Okay, scout.
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So of course the kicker of it all is that since they did the transaction off site, Airbnb has no actual jurisdiction or power to help get the money back like they would want to. They were like, our coins aren't involved in this. Like that's why we said let us take a fee. I don't even want to take the fees. So now you got to take the L, right? Don't know what you want. Now look at you. Bitch should have stayed on Airbnb. So of course they don't get the money back. My mom was left completely in the lurch. All the while we see this woman actively posting her la life on Instagram, mocking us with her lack of response. My mom really lost her with the scam and it's still a sore subject. So I figured I'd have you put this woman on blast. I mean, you ain't giving me her handle, so we can't. I mean, we wouldn't do that anyway. I just want to look for myself and see how good her life. Like, how much scamming is she doing on Airbnb, right?
Tracy Clayton
And I feel like obviously the only answer is you got to pull up on her. Right?
Lacey Mosley
Absolutely right. What else?
Tracy Clayton
What else is there to do?
Lacey Mosley
And I was in a situation where I leased or rented a house out for my friends and family, and they were like, well, if we do it off this app. And I don't think it was Airbnb because I told you I don't fuck with them, but it was some other, like, home rental situation, and they're like, well, if we hop off the app, sis, like, we can get it. Cute. And I was like, the only way we hopping off this app is if I know exactly where you live. I visited the house several times before I sent any money. I was like. She was like, oh, we need your driver's license photo. I said, bet, send me yours, too. And also send me a picture of you next to the driver's license photo. I was like, I want everything. If I need to pull up to your home and pop the trunk, all the receipts. Okay, yes. But you can't even sending half. It's like you're sending half, basically saying, like, well, if I don't get this half back, like, it's gravy.
Tracy Clayton
You're saying, I trust you. You're not supposed to do that to anybody. No trust no bitch, as the Bible says.
Lacey Mosley
Is she an actress? This is an actress in la. Like, honey, especially during the pandemic, a few of us were working like you. You should have checked in the backlog on that one.
Josh Gwynn
I can't imagine how pissed you would be, though, like, to lose your money. And then all of a sudden, she's got a trip to Ojai, and she's got a trip to, like, I would be so.
Lacey Mosley
You know, she burning sage and Joshua Tree.
Tracy Clayton
Exactly.
Josh Gwynn
Talking about.
Lacey Mosley
I just some Palo Santo.
Josh Gwynn
I just need to, like, refresh and. And, oh, I'd be so mad.
Lacey Mosley
I don't know, y'. All.
Tracy Clayton
I think I would have to go and find this girl in Joshua Tree.
Josh Gwynn
I would go to each of the places that she went to, and with her picture, like, where did you see her right now?
Lacey Mosley
I know this bitch bought crystals in here, and she charging them under the full moon, so you better tell me where, otherwise she's Gonna get broke. Be ashamed if all these rose quartz.
Just fell to the ground.
Tracy Clayton
Okay?
Lacey Mosley
I would be up in there busting up the healing energy shop looking for this bitch. No, no, you can't.
Tracy Clayton
I know you got rece.
Lacey Mosley
No, not you on. Not you on the gram.
Tracy Clayton
That's personal, right?
Lacey Mosley
And y' all telling me, like, Jordan, you took it personally. Y' all didn't comment on her post like you robbed us or, like, make some fake accounts so you can continue to comment after she blocked you or at least.
Tracy Clayton
I'm not advising this. You should not do this. But I do wonder if there was ever a Twitter do y' all thing post. You know what I'm saying? This whole scammed me. Here's the story.
Josh Gwynn
Don't let it get to Tick tock.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, the Tik Tok girls. Now, listen.
Josh Gwynn
FBI got nothing on them, and they know it.
Lacey Mosley
And now that FBI was like, let's just get a TikTok. I don't know why we keep asking them. It's open platform. We can just scroll and figure out a lot of these crimes. Like, free, right? Like the feds. I'm sure nothing has been better for the feds than social media. They said, we don't even got to do nothing no more. This. He did a robbery. Look, he got a picture with the money up to his head in the gun.
Tracy Clayton
Let's just pull up and his location is on right now.
Lacey Mosley
Right? God, y' all go home. Go home. I got this one. Yeah, right, right.
Tracy Clayton
I've been trying to think of the name of the rental company that you're probably referencing, because I had a run in with them, too, once upon a time. Assuming that this is the same people, I can't think of their name. I'mma think of it Airbnb. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like you booked a place that was not Airbnb. Cause you don't fuck with Airbnb, but it was some other place. And you can't think of the name of the website?
Lacey Mosley
Well, I don't. They did have a website, but it was like a concierge. I ain't trying to put all my business out there, but it was a concierge of homes. And it was like a few women that I was working with, and then they had. Yeah. So it felt a little safer. Also was like, I know where these women are at. Like, I made it very clear that I'm petty and small. I do before everything, I go to the doctor's appointment as a black woman. Like, hey, Just let you know I'm litigious. So if you think about doing racism to me, just let, let me know right now because you really don't want me on your ass. Like if you won't give me a test, I will make you sign and say that you didn't and why. So that when I needs to get my files together and call my abogato.
Tracy Clayton
Let's just put this whole doctor's appointment on live. Let's just do that.
Lacey Mosley
No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just point the camera away from my coochie.
Tracy Clayton
Right, right, right, right, right waist and above.
Lacey Mosley
But this gonna be an educational moment for everyone on Instagram. How about that? No, but guys, like if you're gonna try because look, I love to save a coin and fuck Airbnb. So if you can't get your little size situation going on, I'm not mad. But the biggest things on those apps are one, you need to read the reviews. Two, if it's a property that's new and it has no reviews, never book it because it's probably just some photos that somebody found online. You can take photos to Google images, see where the address is at, see if they lying, you know what I mean? Like, do your due diligence when it comes to that kind of stuff because there's so many scammers on those websites.
Josh Gwynn
I feel like that's, that's like good advice for anything that you're doing online when, whether you're buying, you know, leggings that have been left out in the moldy. Listen to the, to the review, see what other people.
Lacey Mosley
Some moldy stolen pattern leggings. Okay, but also guys, if you're even just like looking for a roommate, you know, sometimes you have to get on Mr. Shady Ass Craig's and look at his list or, you know, you have to get on a roommate finder app or whatever. Like if it's a situation where they have the place and they're subletting it, you need to have bills in their name. You need to have stuff that if you need to pull up, you can. Because that happened to me when I moved to la. Luckily I had a friend from college here who let me crash for a night. And then I figured out another living situation, but I pulled up to the airport to LAX and was like thinking I'm about to go, you know, get my keys and go to this house. And she was like, okay, so actually the other person isn't moving out yet. Turns out it was a one bedroom, it was not a two bedroom. She Was calling the living room. That's not a bedroom, sweetie. That's not where beds go. And she, the other person was still staying there. So I was like, where am I supposed to. And I was like, run me my money back. And she did because I had her address. Okay, so she didn't run it back. I was gonna run it up.
Josh Gwynn
I know that's right.
Lacey Mosley
So you gotta have that kind of leverage over people when you're doing this kind of stuff, you know, Obviously not just the address. Get bills in their name too. Like get everything that the bank would get from you. Get everything that an apartment would get for you.
Tracy Clayton
The idea of roommates is too scary to me because I watch way too much true crime. So I just. Girl, I just assume that you're here to kill me.
Lacey Mosley
You know, one time I thought my roommate, her mom and her brother was gonna dig a me sized hole in the backyard. Child, I had to get out of that situation. Okay, you devadash.
Tracy Clayton
Why did you devadash?
Lacey Mosley
It just got a little wild. Shit went left real quick, you know, it was my fault. I missed some signs. And it's time for my favorite segment of this show, Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will where Gail, Josh and Tracy with a famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we fuck with them, maybe we don't. We don't know yet. We'll just get their opinions all throughout. So today guys, we're talking about 19.
Year old Colton Harris Moore, who led.
Police on a two year long chase.
As he stole plane after plane and.
He committed most of his crimes barefoot.
Tracy Clayton
I remember this, man.
Josh Gwynn
I remember this.
Tracy Clayton
I remember when you started, I was like, oh, is this the barefoot boy?
Lacey Mosley
Yes, it is. So Colton Harris Moore, born March 22, 1991. What does that make him? An Aquarius? What's that?
Tracy Clayton
Oh, I'm the wrong.
Josh Gwynn
Don't make me lie right?
Lacey Mosley
Oh, black folks. Don't give me the line. Somebody throw me his zodiac sign. But he had a pretty rough upbringing. I'm not gonna get into all of it. Cause it can get a little triggering. We try to keep it light over here. But let's just say, you know, he grew up in a dilapidated trailer with his mother. There was abuse, there was drugs. You know, he had a rough upbringing. So despite everything that was going on at home, Colton's classmates and teachers described him as a very sweet, intelligent boy with an avid interest in airplanes. By 2006, Colson was 15 and for years had been breaking into homes, stealing food and valuables and Evading police by camping in the woods. Fun fact. He would occasionally perpetrate these crimes with his friend, Harley Davidson. Iron Wing.
Tracy Clayton
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Can we pause?
Lacey Mosley
What.
Tracy Clayton
What is this child's name?
Lacey Mosley
Name Harley. Middle name Davidson. Last name Iron Wing. Wow.
Tracy Clayton
Wow. I.
Lacey Mosley
Honestly, if your parents name you Harley Davidson, you deserve to steal. Like we don't know what they were on something clearly one at least. So, you know, you go ahead and cry a little bit, Harley Davidson.
Tracy Clayton
If my name was Harley Davidson, I would feel so much pressure to be the coolest motherfucker on the planet.
Lacey Mosley
I would just. Really? Yeah, I feel like I guess you at least got to ride a motorcycle.
Tracy Clayton
At the very least. But I'm gonna be like, I'm Harley Davidson. I like stamps, you know.
Lacey Mosley
No, no. Yeah. You can't collect coins when your name is Harley Davidson. You gotta have at least one knife on you at all times at least.
Tracy Clayton
Or look like maybe I got a knife in my wig maybe.
Lacey Mosley
Right? We gotta get you a leather jacket of some sort. Even if it's hot, right? Keep that. We sweating in that jacket.
Tracy Clayton
Take it off those sweaty ass Harley again.
Lacey Mosley
I know it's 80 degrees. Harley. Damn. He ain't gonna take it off. So cops went to arrest him. This is Colton at his mother's house. But only found a note that said cops want to play, huh? Well, it's not a little game. It's war. Tell them that. What?
Tracy Clayton
How old is this child again?
Lacey Mosley
I mean at this time he was 15. But I'm like, what is this note? And I also love that. I basically read it like I was a la gang. Pops want to play, huh, cuz? Little gang out here. Film. It's war. Tilden head. Like now I sound like E40O. Like who is this E40 ass child? So a 40s eventually caught up to Colton and arrested him in 2007 after he broke into his neighbor's home. Now why you bringing into the. You can't break into the neighborhood. Like not how you going to wear your neighbor's drip. They go check their mail. They go see like, isn't that my sweater, Gerd? Yeah, like what? A little further, right, Rob? A little further from home than that.
Tracy Clayton
Okay. At least cross.
Lacey Mosley
You can't break into somebody's house and then cross the street back with atv. Like I just. That's too hot. You making it hot. So he faced 23 felony charges for burglaries and possession of stolen property and was sentenced to three years in juvenile detention. His sentence didn't last long though. Though one year later, in April 2008, he crawled out of the window of his group home and escaped, making the beginning of what would become an infamous two year long crime spree of the Barefoot Bandit.
Tracy Clayton
Should it be that easy to escape from a juvenile group home?
Lacey Mosley
I mean, they got lots of kids in there, you know what I mean? I'm sure the resources are limited and you know, window locks, probably not in the budget.
Okay, all right.
Josh Gwynn
The media loves itself. A caper that has alliteration, right?
Lacey Mosley
Barefoot Bandit, right? Love to sensationalize. That's why people do this kind of stuff, y'. All. Making them famous or at least infamous. So it's like he never wears shoes again so he could get recognized. Yeah, that's me.
Josh Gwynn
Gotta say, I'm Bray. I'm Brad.
Lacey Mosley
His wiki feet is popping. Okay? People love to get photos of the Barefoot Bandit. Okay? So after his escape, Colton went on a one man crime spree that blew all of his previous exploits out the water. He was first dubbed the Barefoot Bandit when after his third time robbing Orcas Homegrown Market on Orcas island, he left 39 large chalk footprints around the store and outside the door with a note that said, see ya. Oh, so.
Tracy Clayton
Oh, wait, he's.
Josh Gwynn
Just feet on accident.
Lacey Mosley
He had ashy feet, right?
Josh Gwynn
He went out and got a logo.
Tracy Clayton
Oh, he's. He's serious about this branding.
Lacey Mosley
Okay, Branding, he said, gotta be a brand, right? He said, I'm Banksy, but Robin, Come on, bear. And that's smart though, cuz he was gonna give y' all his real footprint, like he said, trying to run that, trying to run that at the downtown. Okay? Y' all ain't gonna come up with nothing. So while staying on Orcas Island, Colton took advantage of another business, a restaurant called Verne's, not Vernon. He first broke into Burns. I don't know what Verns is, but it just sounds very mom and pop.
Tracy Clayton
I was like, aw, I said to you, right?
Lacey Mosley
So he first broke into Verns to steal a credit card to order flight instruction manuals, which he had shipped to the restaurant several days later, he broke in to retrieve the manuals and steal $15,000 in summer profits from the safe Colson had. Damn right, Colton, who, who name you put on them packages.
Tracy Clayton
Just address it to Barefoot Bandit. I mean, bb, don't tell him what it is.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, BB Yeah, Put cena on it. Yeah. Thank you. Also, I love that he was trying to get higher learning, like, you know what I mean? That sounds like a scholarship to me. From Amex. Like, from Amex, you know what?
Josh Gwynn
Do you know the amount of confidence that you need in order to trust yourself to learn to fly by reading Flying for Dummies.
Tracy Clayton
That is an amazing point.
Josh Gwynn
Like, he was like, I could read a book. I'll be fine, man.
Lacey Mosley
There's gotta be something in there. Take the book with you on the plate.
Josh Gwynn
It's an open book test. Like, what's on page eight?
Lacey Mosley
Listen, we got a written driver's test. I had to pass a written driver's test.
Tracy Clayton
But didn't you also have to drive too, as well?
Lacey Mosley
I actually didn't.
Tracy Clayton
What? That sounds unsafe.
Lacey Mosley
Who do I complain to? Texas, baby. You know, our laws are flimsy. That's what we're known for. Okay, Constitutional. That's a vibe. It felt constitutional enough for me.
Tracy Clayton
No constitution, just vibes.
Lacey Mosley
Listen, we got that lady who holds the little justice things out there.
Tracy Clayton
Now she leaning in a particular direction.
Lacey Mosley
It looks like she's like gathering a pail of water. She's fully bent over, but she's still there. You know what I mean? So technically, it's some justice going on. So he goes in there, he gets his manuals, and he also steals 15k. Damn. Burn. How you gonna steal all of Vern haul for the summer? That ain't right. And if you're on an island, you know, islands get that like vacation tourists. Like, this is when they get the bag, right? Yeah, that's a seasonal coin. That ain't right.
Tracy Clayton
Up.
Lacey Mosley
So in the fall of 2008, despite never having been in a cockpit before, he stole his first plane, a single engine aircraft from a hangar on Orcas island belonging to a Seattle radio personality, Bob Riverstone. Bob's plane. So also I have to point out that he's doing this in Seattle. Isn't it like hella overcast in Seattle a lot? Right?
Tracy Clayton
Yes.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. This is like not the best place to like, learn how to fly on the.
Tracy Clayton
To practice flying.
Lacey Mosley
It's hella clouds. Like, this is not and rain the best place. So his flight took him over the Cascada mountain range through gusty winds and a total whiteout. Duh. Because we were just talking about the weather. Miraculously, he flew 250 miles from Orcas island to a field house in Yakima, Washington, where he crash landed and walked away.
Tracy Clayton
What?
Josh Gwynn
Oh, my God.
Tracy Clayton
What?
Lacey Mosley
After leaving the plane in the field, Colton hopped on a freight train to Reno, where he lied about his age, still only being 17, and worked at a casino for six months. So what?
Tracy Clayton
This sounds so fake. All this sounds completely made up.
Lacey Mosley
Colton, I feel like you just trying to get a movie because. Right. He crashed a plane, got out, dusted himself off. He was like, sheesh. He was like, there's a train. Let me go get what? And now he working in the casino. So y' all just saw a barefoot man show up.
Josh Gwynn
I hope he had wigs, right? Like, this is a sort of situation. You need different wigs and different aliases.
Lacey Mosley
The biggest concern y' all had was, oh, so are you of legal age? Not that he's barefoot and smells like train and cinders from a plane crash. Okay.
Tracy Clayton
Shirt all burnt up, holes everywhere. And y' all was just like, here's a vest, right?
Lacey Mosley
So just put the vest over the burnt stuff. Do you know how to deal? Three card Monty. Maybe they really needed some employees. Cause I'm like, bruh. So by this time, his story had gone viral on the Internet and Facebook groups and websites with thousands of fans. Fans popping up. T shirts with the slogan, fly, Colt, fly and mama tried went viral. What is mama tried mean? I don't know. So cold. Well, I guess it's in. Colton's own mother maintained her support, saying, I hope to hell he stole those airplanes. I would be so proud, but put in there that I want him to wear a parachute next time, not shoes.
Josh Gwynn
Priorities, not shoes. Choices.
Lacey Mosley
Look, that's good parenting. My baby out here achieving his dreams, flying these planes. I just want to make sure you got a parachute on so when he need to jump out that. Because clearly he hasn't mastered landing. Right. I just feel like that's one of the fundamentals. Colton. I feel like you can't be like, oh, we good for takeoff, right?
Tracy Clayton
I'll figure it out when I get there.
Lacey Mosley
I feel like landing is also, some would argue, like, the most important. Okay, Colton, Fine. Robbery.
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So after leaving Orcas Island, Colton hopped the border to Canada, stole two guns and hopped back without being noticed.
Josh Gwynn
He left America to get guns.
Tracy Clayton
So fake.
Lacey Mosley
Which is wild. I'm like, it's a Walmart right there. And they don't check. They don't care that you got shoes on. They really don't care about that.
Tracy Clayton
No shirt, no shoes. All right, fine.
Lacey Mosley
Here's no problem. Ain't no problem. Not ain't no problem. Come on in here to W World. So I'm like, okay. So after scouting a small airplane hangar and airfield, he ended up in Idaho where he stole his third plane, for which he again crash landed in a field In Granite Falls, Washington. This time, police came in time to close in on the plane, but they were met by gunfire and again, lost Colton.
What?
Tracy Clayton
Wow, they're so bad at being police. That just seems like it shouldn't have gone down that way.
Josh Gwynn
I wonder if he played Grand Theft Auto. This just sounds like Grand Theft Auto.
Lacey Mosley
He's giving grand theft.
Josh Gwynn
He's giving his best Grand Theft Auto fantasy right now.
Lacey Mosley
Grand Theft Autopilot. Okay.
Tracy Clayton
Ah, yeah, it was a good one.
Lacey Mosley
Because Coco wasn't landing. Shit. Okay. So he laid low for some time until he caught his biggest prize yet in February 2010 during the Olympics. A $650,000. Serious. That's a plane. He was aloft for just 10 minutes before again crash landing at Orcas Airport. Though this time the plane suffered minimal damage. Fun fact, the owner said the damage due to fingerprint dusting was more expensive to fit. And the plane is still flying today. So he was like, really? The police? My shit.
Josh Gwynn
What's this little boy reading? It must be real good.
Lacey Mosley
It must be real good.
Josh Gwynn
Mavis Beacon for flying.
Lacey Mosley
He's getting better at the crashes, right? He's getting better at the crashes. This one just like a few scratches.
Tracy Clayton
This just sounds so fake. I had to take one of those flight simulator classes, like option 2000 in high school. I never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever got close to landing, ever. And there was somebody over my shoulder being like, move, move this. Pull this up. It's impossible. And he's just out here just with no shoes, hot wiring planes, landing planes.
Lacey Mosley
To be fair, he ain't never landed either. Like that is. That's true.
Tracy Clayton
That's very true.
Lacey Mosley
To be quite fair, you know. So you might not have been that off. You. You might could do this. Tracy, think about it.
Tracy Clayton
I appreciate that vote of confidence.
Lacey Mosley
Like I don't think people are really locking their airplane hangers up like that anyway. Like, you just don't expect people to come steal your plane on a Tuesday.
Tracy Clayton
You know, not on a Tuesday especially.
Lacey Mosley
But this is also a white man. So I'm sure he could walk most places even without shoes. And they're fell. He owns a plane. Makes sense to me. So despite this, he continued to escape close calls and would disappear despite being surrounded on all sides. So somehow he's still getting out of here. Cleo couldn't even do this from set it off. How is he doing? They haven't riddled this young man with bullets yet, which I'm happy about. This is how policing should be. You got right. You know, cops are Robbers. You got to catch him. You shouldn't just be able to shoot him. Like, that's not fair.
Tracy Clayton
If he was black Joe, I feel like this would have been a much shorter story.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, very short. Like, he wouldn't have made it. Pl past walking in the door of the airplane hanger before the police were there on suspicion. Right.
Tracy Clayton
They have seen him ordering a book. Trying to learn how to fly. Trying to learn how to fly. Pr.
Josh Gwynn
Right.
Lacey Mosley
Right.
Tracy Clayton
That's it. Just in case.
Lacey Mosley
How to. So many questions. So he's on the run more urgently at this point than before because now, you know, he's damaging, like, some big money shit. As Colton started to leave Orcas island, he took the time to leave a note and a hundred dollars in cash at a veterinary clinic. The following day, a $450,000 fishing boat was reported missing from a nearby town. Eventually, Colton ended up in Bloomington, Indiana, where he stole his fifth and final plane. Now, my question is, like, we talked about the first one he stole, the third one, and the fifth, the fourth and the second ain't in here.
Tracy Clayton
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Were those just, like, not exciting enough?
Lacey Mosley
I don't understand. I have to say, I have questions. So here's the note that he left at the vet. It says, drove by, had some extra cash. Please use this money for the care of animals. Colton Harris Moore, AKA the Barefoot Bandit. And then he put Kimano Islands, Washington. So also you can know where he's at currently.
Tracy Clayton
Yeah.
Josh Gwynn
Aka, AKA the Barefoot Bandit, AKA the Plain Pitcher, like the Plain poacher.
Lacey Mosley
Okay.
Tracy Clayton
Well, at least he likes animals. He's a nice guy, you guys.
Lacey Mosley
AKA FAA fraud. That's me. Like, are you a rapper? What's going on? Yo, we got Colton. We got Colton on the Runway. Ok. So I guess. And also he's trying to flex, being, like, had a little $100, you know, I don't know. Give this to Sarah McLaughlin, see what she could do with it.
Josh Gwynn
What, get money. Get money. Like me.
Lacey Mosley
He didn't even have a plane. I mean, he didn't even have a pet. He was just like, I don't know. Here's something for the girls. Just to let y' all know I was here. So I. I guess so. This is his fifth plane that he's stealing now. Right. Colton's final flight took him 1200 miles away from Indiana to Abaco island in the Bahamas. While news outlets such as 48 hours and the Royal Bahamian Police were hot on his trail, Colton managed to go inland and steal a yacht to escape to a nearby island of Elethria for a week. He was able to evade capture in the Bahamas. Wow. This man, you talking about planes, trains, and automobiles.
Josh Gwynn
Okay, Is there a vehicle that he has not stolen yet?
Tracy Clayton
Also, this white boy was able to hide in the Bahamas. How.
Lacey Mosley
Are there many white people there?
Tracy Clayton
Was he on like a resort? Like how he did that?
Lacey Mosley
Maybe he put on a lay or something and you know, gave the girls tourists. You know, maybe he went and got his hair braided by the. By the cross of cruise. He let him put some beads in it, some foil. They were like, I don't know. Everyone who's white is barefoot here. Great.
Josh Gwynn
Maybe it was the best place for him.
Lacey Mosley
Checks out fair, so. I can't believe he got to the Bahamas and he's flying over water. Mind you, this is the guy who does not know how to land.
Tracy Clayton
No, this is just so fake. I just.
Lacey Mosley
It's just.
Tracy Clayton
It's ridiculous.
Lacey Mosley
So he made a mistake when he was chatting with some teenagers on shore. He was discovered to be the famed barefoot bandit with a $10,000 boy bounty. So the teenagers gave chase. Okay. So they decided to follow him and his stolen boat to nearby Harbor Island. From there, he stole another boat and made off into the open ocean. Gun wielding police in a commandeered yacht. Wow. With two news. He had news crews behind him and the police. Eventually he ran out around a sandbar and before he could get the boat going again, police shot out the engine, cornering Colton for the last time. Finally, in July 2010, after a two year crime spree, stealing 11 boats, 14 cars, 3 guns, and 5 planes and breaking into countless buildings, Colton Harris Moore was arrested. I just feel like he should work in like all types of security. Like, does Colton work for ADT now?
Tracy Clayton
Because he needs to.
Lacey Mosley
Colton knows how to steal it. You know, it could be a sweater, it could be a gun in Canada, it could be a leather.
Tracy Clayton
You know, if it's stealable. I got you, fam. I got you.
Lacey Mosley
I feel like we should be using his skills for the better good, the greater good. This man knows how to steal everything.
Tracy Clayton
It sounds like he needs to teach the police how he did what he did so that they can be better at their jobs. Because they suck.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, I mean, I don't need to empower them, but I mean, that is very true if you're a boat owner, you know, I want you to be able to keep your boat at the dock. Like, Corson could really help y' all out with that. Cuz he knows. Okay. So the aftermath ends today. Colton pleaded guilty to seven felony charges, including stealing airplanes, breaking into a bank, and possessing an illegal firearm, and was sentenced to seven years in prison. At the time of his sentencing.
Josh Gwynn
That's it.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah.
Josh Gwynn
Wow.
Lacey Mosley
I guess technically when he stole stuff, he did kind of run it back a little.
Tracy Clayton
Had a little wear and tear, but it was fine.
Lacey Mosley
Right? It was 250 miles away from where he got it. And you know, it's. It's some piece missing.
Josh Gwynn
Exactly.
Lacey Mosley
You know, it's like a little wing or whatever. Missing.
Tracy Clayton
But it's another one. It's fine.
Lacey Mosley
Right. You can find a part for that. They got wings out here. So. At the time of his sentencing, he owed $1.4 million to his victims. He was released early in 2016 and began working part time for his lawyer's law firm firm. Colton has since attempted to run a GoFundMe campaign for funds to cryogenically preserve his mother who was ill with cancer. And one to fund flight school. The latter was shut down due to his still owing retribution to victims. So the flight school one was shut down. He now attempts to work as an entrepreneur and motivational speaker.
Tracy Clayton
He wanted to freeze his mom. Did we.
Lacey Mosley
Did I hear. Yeah, yeah, we kind of. We just kind of brushed over that.
Tracy Clayton
Yeah, we did.
Lacey Mosley
And it doesn't say his late mother, so she might have still been up when they was going to do the freezing.
Tracy Clayton
Oh, okay.
Lacey Mosley
All right.
Maybe they was just going. They was going to nuke her a little bit. Just like put in a, put in a, A cryogenic. Do you need to go fund me for that?
Tracy Clayton
It sounds expensive.
Lacey Mosley
I don't know.
No, you can get cryo done up the street.
Tracy Clayton
Oh, you're right. You're right.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah. You get a Groupon. Get a Groupon. Five. Get five of them things. $400. I mean, but also like, I feel like he should go to flight school. The boy loves flying. He clearly has no fear of it. I just think sometimes, like, this guy had a really rough childhood. You know, he didn't have resources and options, but clearly he had talent. This is, this is raw talent.
Tracy Clayton
He's not a dumb child.
Lacey Mosley
Like, we're letting this waste away in the penal system. Like, you know, let the boy go to flight school. School.
Tracy Clayton
And he didn't hurt anybody, right?
Lacey Mosley
No, just, just some property.
Tracy Clayton
He even gave money to the animals. Come on now.
Lacey Mosley
He did. I hope you wrote that off. It's 1.3999. 100. Okay. Because I gave a hundred to the pets now and I left the note there.
Tracy Clayton
Evidence proved it.
Lacey Mosley
You know, it was me, so I.
Tracy Clayton
Signed it the Barefoot Bandit. That's.
Lacey Mosley
That's me giving back to the community I don't like. What are we talking about? It's time for scammer of the week. This is where we highlight one honorary charlatan who's worthy of our praise. Maybe, maybe not. But this is going to hearken back to what we were talking about earlier, Tracy, when you talked about Post Malone and his new elderly ba. So Maria Gret, a 62 year old Swedish artist, was not expecting to be catfished when she first sent money overseas to her 58 year old Danish boyfriend. Maria met Johnny when her friends teased her into creating a dating profile. So, okay, so Johnny is clearly black. And also Danish. Shh. Are there black dates? I mean, with the. How the military setup. We gotta be over there a little.
Tracy Clayton
Bit, you know, you know, just a taste, right?
Lacey Mosley
Like, you know, it is, it is. And look at her cuddled up to him. You know, they must have been. He might have had some things than him. So inappropriate. So just saying, the way she hugged up next to him, like he must have been doing something right. It couldn't have all been a scam. So they began chatting and he eventually started calling her from a UK phone number. Maria said, I wanted to meet him because I liked him. He had a way and a sweetness I had never known in a man before. And he was just innocent in a way that puzzled me. Men, innocent. Two words. No. Never been together necessarily. Never needed to be together. Imagine that's what she should have done.
Tracy Clayton
It was a scam, right?
Lacey Mosley
Like innocent. He do nothing. He do nothing. That was like a red flag. That's when you gotta start looking for the flag, right?
Tracy Clayton
Exactly.
Lacey Mosley
Like, look, I always say one red flag, go. But if it's like light rose pink, you know, maybe we could see what's going on. Nobody's perfect. Hear him out.
Tracy Clayton
Just hear him out.
Lacey Mosley
So after chatting with him for three months, Johnny agreed to meet Maria in Sweden. But first he and his son had to stop in Nigeria for a job interview. Okay, you know how, you know how you have to like, you know, on the way to another country, you. You had to stop at another country and just, you know, we couldn't do a phone interview. No, no, we'll just, we'll just go over.
Tracy Clayton
Had to be in person.
Lacey Mosley
Okay, got it. So the next call Maria received was from Johnny saying his son had been. Oh, no.
Tracy Clayton
Oh Lord. Oh no.
Josh Gwynn
Oh, what is this?
Lacey Mosley
Not this. Not Funny. The next day, Maria received a phone call from Johnny saying that his son had been shot in the head during a mugging. And they were at the hospital without money or pain papers.
Tracy Clayton
Oh, my gosh. That's intense.
Lacey Mosley
So Maria immediately sent money, but soon after, medical complications and quotes developed, and she was told the doctors demanded more money. So y' all know how hospitals work, right? Like, you go in and they're like, okay, he's in critical condition. Okay, we got to put an I.V. in him. Y' all got $38 for the I.V.
Tracy Clayton
We'Re not gonna give him this I.V.
Lacey Mosley
Before I put the needle in the. In the bag, because then it's ruined. You only got a few hours after you put the needle in. Do y' all have $38?
Tracy Clayton
And can I have it right now? Like, right now?
Lacey Mosley
Right? I need to see it. Okay. Is this in euros? Okay. Cause I ain't got time to go to currency. All right, we gonna get him out the ambulance now. All right, we got stretcher. There is a fee. Or do y' all want to carry them?
Josh Gwynn
Can we put it on layaway?
Tracy Clayton
Right?
Lacey Mosley
Can we put on klarna? No, but you need to sign up now. Put your car right now before we get this treatment. Popping. No, hey, don't say clear yet. We not clear.
Josh Gwynn
Three more payments. 49.99.
Tracy Clayton
He's not gonna last much longer. Ma', am. What do you want to do? What do you want to do?
Lacey Mosley
What do you want to do before we get to remember surviving? Okay, you got to get on a payment plan. We don't like what. And also doctors demanding, but that's not who demands the money.
Josh Gwynn
But the thing I think that is interesting is that these people actually met. There's photographic evidence of them meeting. Like, I feel like when I hear these scams, it's like, oh, I've never met this person a day in my life. But, like, they. They knew each other.
Tracy Clayton
That's a good point. Do we know for sure that that's her boo in the picture?
Lacey Mosley
I believe so.
Tracy Clayton
Hm. That is very interesting.
Lacey Mosley
But I do think that I've. I've seen a few cases where the people had met a few times before. I think it definitely adds legitimacy to the scam, because now it's not like you're. I. I have a name and a face, and, you know, they sitting on the same side of the booth, so, you know, at least rubbed on her thigh a little bit or ear or whatnot, you know, so something done going down. So several thousand euros after Maria realized something was amiss now. Girl, I feel like several thousand is too long away.
Tracy Clayton
Maria to be like, wait a minute.
Lacey Mosley
That's like we're a little too far away. So she stopped responding to Johnny's messages. Three weeks later, Johnny called Maria and confessed that he was a 24 year old Nigerian Internet scammer who had finished university but still had no job. Johnny and Maria continued to chat and the romantic feelings developed into a few friendship. Maria flew herself out to Nigeria to finally meet Johnny. She said, when I saw him at the airport in Abuja, tears fell over his face and I knew I had known him my whole life. Wow.
Josh Gwynn
So wait, they. That picture is from after the scam.
Lacey Mosley
That's after she got Rob.
Josh Gwynn
Oh my God.
Tracy Clayton
So happy to have just been robbed of several thousand dollars.
Lacey Mosley
See, sometimes scams aren't that bad. She had a good time.
Josh Gwynn
He must have been putting it down.
Lacey Mosley
Woo.
Tracy Clayton
She said.
Lacey Mosley
And then $7,000 later again I realized, So. Maria had met Johnny's friends, many of whom were also scammers, and started thinking about how she could help. Since then, she's arranged for a number of African artists to visit Europe for arts exhibitions, workshops, conferences and competitions. Maria has also assisted them to source grants and other funding to advance their work. Now, was there work in the art of scams or they were like, yeah, I rob people, but I'm also an excellent sculptor.
Tracy Clayton
Or I scam people. It's going well, but I really just want to get out the game, you know?
Lacey Mosley
Right, right.
Josh Gwynn
Go legit.
Tracy Clayton
Just wanna learn.
Lacey Mosley
I make clay figurines in between bank robberies. Is this something we could do? I'm saving up for a kiln. I gotta hit four more licks and I'm g. Have enough money for a kiln in my own home.
Tracy Clayton
This is.
Lacey Mosley
She went full ghost. She's like, let me get behind you on that kiln. Nigerian prince. What is happening?
Tracy Clayton
This took a time.
Lacey Mosley
After meeting him in Nigeria, Maria also helped Johnny move to America where she offered him financial assistance to complete his degree.
Tracy Clayton
Wow.
Josh Gwynn
Did she ever get her money money back?
Tracy Clayton
No. I mean, I don't know how this story ends, but no, impossible.
Lacey Mosley
If she's providing financial assistance to the scammers, I don't think that that's like, oh, they paid you back and then now you paying them again. Right. I feel like, wow, I, I love how this ended. This was such a twist. She was like, oh no, these are my friends now. Yeah, no, they used to rob me, but now they're the homies.
Tracy Clayton
Now it's cool. I so, so he is definitely scammer of the year. Like he rode that mess all the way to America to some tuition.
Lacey Mosley
Talk about coming to America. Okay. I mean, I guess cuz he knew when to give up the grift. He was like, hey, sis. Yeah, it's me, Johnny. Yeah, I know. I. I don't have a brother. And the hospital actually does not request payment during surgery. It was all a lie. But if you want to come to Nigeria, hang out, I'm not doing nothing this Friday.
Josh Gwynn
I'll be there.
Lacey Mosley
Right.
Tracy Clayton
I wonder if she did it. So she was like, okay, this story needs a better ending than I got stolen from. And then I go home and be sad. I know I'll continue to give them money. So that way it looks like it was all on purpose and it's all good.
Lacey Mosley
I'm just like. And not only did she give him money, she was helping out the homies. We saw a photo of her in a classroom where she was like, girl, is this show Eat Pray Love? Like what?
Josh Gwynn
Very.
Lacey Mosley
That's called Eat Pray Scam. I don't know. I'm not mad at it because at least then I guess you're controlling the narrative and maybe made some new friends and you got a new friend in America now. Like, she obviously the money didn't mean.
Tracy Clayton
That much to her and obviously she had it to give and keep giving. I guess we're assuming. I mean, we all know her situation.
Josh Gwynn
But I mean, it felt like she didn't really care that it was missing.
Lacey Mosley
Right, Right. She doesn't ever really seem to be too angry about that. She's just like, something's amiss. Oh, well. And then three weeks later, she picks up the phone. Hey, Johnny, long time. So is your brother. What they do? Did they have enough to get the bandages off? Like what? And then now he lives in America. I love this. I think, I mean, look, a lot of people like we saw with Colton, they come up in bad situations and you know, this is the only way they knew out. Maybe Johnny was really just trying to better him. His circumstances.
Yeah.
Tracy Clayton
And maybe this lady is genuinely happy with the connections that she has. You know, who are me to judge?
Lacey Mosley
I say, she seems to be. I mean, she pulled up to Nigeria, she flipped her chair back backwards and she said, I'm going to educate the youth. She said, I'm going to get my.
Tracy Clayton
Machine fight for own. Yes, it's my time.
Lacey Mosley
She brought a bullhorn. She was like, no, I'm going to save these. Save these beautiful Nigerian men from a life of crime. I can't be mad at that. I think we like this scam. What do you, what do you think?
Tracy Clayton
I, I, I'm in favor of the scam. I feel like I'm not mad at it.
Josh Gwynn
The best that a scam could probably go.
Tracy Clayton
That is a great way that the.
Josh Gwynn
Person who gets scammed buys in, right?
Tracy Clayton
Is she still scammed if she buys in at the end?
Lacey Mosley
No, because I guess because it's like if you were to donate to anything, like, it's not a scam if you decided to participate.
Josh Gwynn
Right.
Lacey Mosley
And I know some people be like, oh, GoFundMe, but what if I read a story and it's like, yeah, but we've talked about that. Like, you don't know where that money goes at the, at the end of the day, you do not know. I've never once followed up on the GoFundMe and been like, okay, so did y' all get enough for the funeral? Like, I don't. I hope so. Sometimes I'll click on the link and be like, oh, they raised over the goal. Good for them. But I'm not like, so how much did them programs run, y'? All? Because if it's anything extra laying around, itemize it.
Tracy Clayton
Well, in the name of reparations, this is definitely a win. White lady.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. Yes.
Tracy Clayton
Lots of money directly to Africa. Africa. Put the homies on, you know, activism. Activism, yes.
Lacey Mosley
Like, y' all want to talk about activism? And to hearken back, just. I love to say, hearken today to. We were asking what sign Colton was. Colton is an Aries. Our. Our plane thief. Which makes sense. They like a thrill. They love chaos, which is why he's just crash landing planes. And then, like, they're for. And he a leave no notes on the planes he crashed.
Josh Gwynn
Sorry I dinged your plane.
Lacey Mosley
My bad. You know, you can rub that out. It's just a scratch.
Josh Gwynn
Use a hair dryer.
Lacey Mosley
I heard if you get a pot with boiling water and then you put it on one side, then you pull the other side out with a plunger, it's going to be. It's going to be good. Yeah, Terry about it.
Tracy Clayton
Look it up.
Lacey Mosley
I'll leave the link right here on the note. DIY plane fix. Oh, guys. You guys have been lovely. This is such a fun episode.
Tracy Clayton
These stories are incredible. So much fun.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. Okay. We always ask on this podcast, where do you want to be found? Josh, we'll start with you. Any projects? I mean, obviously back issue. Where do you want to be found?
Josh Gwynn
Yeah. You can follow Back Issue on Instagram at Back issuep Podcast. We're in our second season right now. Super fun. Lots of formative pop cultural moments that we like jump back to and then think about what it can teach us about. Now you can follow me at regarding.
Lacey Mosley
Josh on all the socials and you.
Tracy Clayton
Can follow me on all the socials. OkayMcPoverty and I do wanna say that there is an episode of Back issue that features one of us doing the worst miss Cleo impression you've. I'm not gonna tell you who it is.
Lacey Mosley
Call me now.
Tracy Clayton
Check it out.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. I gotta go see who this is now. I wanna know. As always, guys, snitch on your friends and family at scam goddesspod Gmail.com if you want to find us or look at the photos that we do, we look at at that episode. Scam Got his pod on all platforms if you want to follow me. D I V A L A C I D V On all platforms. All episodes of iCarly are streaming on Paramount plus and all episodes are of a black lady sketch show are streaming on hbo. Max, stream my stuff, please. And all of our merch is available online. I'm about to switch it up and pull some things down, so if you want the things, go get the things while they're available on podswag.com scam goddess. Guys, leave us a five star review. If you want to be like Maria. Was that her name? Maria Marie, something like that you want to save. If you want to save a young Nigerian scammer, leave us five stars on whatever podcast app you listen to this show on. And a nice review. Thank you so much. No, I am not actually Nigerian. Actually, I don't know. Could be. I haven't given the government my ancestry. Stay Scheming. Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Fais and researched by Kay. Stay scheming.
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Host: Laci Mosley
Guests: Tracy Clayton & Josh Gwynn (hosts of Back Issue)
Date: November 21, 2025
Episode Theme:
A classic Scam Goddess re-release digging into the wild true story of Colton Harris-Moore, the teenage "Barefoot Bandit" who stole planes, boats, and hearts—plus hilarious scam stories and a catfish twist featuring a Swedish woman and her scammer-turned-friend.
The episode is a lively, comedic deep dive into one of the most audacious teen scammers in U.S. history, Colton Harris-Moore (aka "The Barefoot Bandit"), exploring his improbable two-year crime spree of breaking into homes, stealing planes and boats—often barefoot—and his bizarre cult status. Laci, joined by podcast duo Tracy Clayton and Josh Gwynn, also shares tips for avoiding rental scams, delves into listener scam stories, and wraps up with a golden "Scammer of the Week" about a catfish-turned-soulmate scenario.
Tone:
Playfully irreverent, quick-witted, with plenty of side tangents and signature Scam Goddess humor.
Laci welcomes Tracy (returning) and Josh (new) as guests, both hosts of the podcast "Back Issue."
Guests share their fascination with scams:
Running gag:
Rental Scam Warning
Notable Quotes:
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Systemic/Inequality Observations:
Arrest & Aftermath:
Story:
As Laci always says: "Stay scheming!"