Fraud Friday: The Long Island Long Con w/ Jon Gabrus

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast - Fraud Friday: The Long Island Long Con w/ Jon Gabrus (January 9, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this Fraud Friday classic episode, host Laci Mosley ("Scam Goddess") is joined by comedian and podcast connoisseur Jon Gabrus to delve into some of history’s wildest scams, examine the blurred lines of morality in fraud, and bring their signature comedic perspective to crime stories. The featured deep-dive is into a multi-decade coin con orchestrated by Harold Adamo on Long Island, and the episode also touches on more contemporary scams, from students faking deaths to avoid finals, to a “witch” bilking her mark for hundreds of thousands. Laci and Jon’s irreverent tone keeps things lively, irreverent, and side-splitting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comedy, Outfits, and Podcast Banter (00:42–07:38)

• Opening Banter & Podcast Talk

  • Laci welcomes Jon Gabrus, playfully referencing his many podcasts.
  • Compliments are exchanged over outfits, and the duo jokes about modeling and brand "scams" in advertising contests.
  • Quote:
    • Jon Gabrus: "That's the scam of the century, is me becoming a plus size model." (02:46)

• Scam Goddess House Rules

  • Laci clarifies: The podcast isn’t investigative journalism—it's comedy with a focus on scams, con artists, and the wild side of fraud.
  • They openly embrace scammers as "heroes" of the show.
  • Quote:
    • Laci Mosley: "We worship scammers here. I support them fully." (06:55)

2. What’s Hot in Fraud & Listener Scam Story (07:39–15:29)

• Current Scam Trends

  • Gas stations called out as scam hotbeds; Brooklyn dubbed "the Silicon Valley of scams."
  • Listeners are encouraged to submit scams they've "retired" for the show.

• Featured Listener Scam: The Mortician's Midterm Maneuver

  • A gay mortician uses his access to funeral records to forge a death certificate for a class excuse, enlisting his partner's help after a Vegas weekend derails his study plans.
  • He fabricates a death in the neighborhood, edits documents and images to provide "proof"—including a Photoshopped barbecue picture—ultimately scoring an 'A.'
  • The hosts discuss the ethics and high-stakes bravado involved.
  • Quote:
    • Laci Mosley: "I feel like you don't need to also submit proof of you being at a fake barbecue." (12:59)

3. Academic Scam Reflections & College as a Con (15:30–22:08)

• Academic Scams and Loopholes
  • Hosts share their own college scam stories: feigning illness, seeking sympathy, leveraging office hours, and playing up “underprivileged” student angles to get ahead.
  • Laci recounts manipulating professors with strategic appearances.
  • The conversation segues into the broader scam of higher education, especially the proliferation of dubious online degrees.
  • Quote:
    • Jon Gabrus: "I don't have the time to blah, blah, blah. Teacher just goes, I don't give a shit either. I'll give you an 84 right now." (16:37)

4. HISTORIC HOODWINK: The Long Island Long Con (22:09–46:15)

• Setting the Scene—Long Island Love & Coin Dealers

  • Laci tees up the main scam: Norman Rockwell–style suburbia meets high-stakes fraud among old friends.

• The Scam Unfolds

  • Harold Adamo, rare coin dealer, forges trusting relationships, especially with Rococo Marini, and begins a two-decade-long scheme.
  • Details of the scam:
    • Adamo sells coins at massively inflated prices—e.g., a $200 coin is resold for $100,000, inflating value shamelessly.
    • He fakes liquidity, commissions, and business risk parity, and peddles "official-looking" statements to maintain the illusion.
    • Marini's trust is further entrenched as Adamo becomes a godparent to his children, goes on cruises with the couple, and blurs all personal-professional lines.

• Salon Comedy and Social Satire

  • Laci and Jon riff about the swingers’ lifestyle, suburban subterfuge, and the erotic overtones of “bilking.”
  • They imagine the business conversations happening amidst boozy, swinging cruises and mock the naïveté of high-flying suburbia.
  • Quote:
    • Jon Gabrus: "If your name is Rococo, you are a mark." (47:28)

• Discovery, Fallout, and Legal Battle

  • When the scam surfaces, Marini sues for $11 million in damages; expert testimony is needed to establish fraud versus subjective coin value.
  • The court solidifies damages and Adamo faces charges, but Marini never effectively recoups his lost fortune—much of which came from his children's college fund.
  • Quote:
    • Laci Mosley: "If you my dad and... you in your 50s, get your * on. Great. But I'm trying to go to school and you telling me... you ain't got no coins for me? Like, put them hands up, father." (45:58)

5. Aftermath and Broader Satire (46:16–52:26)

• Post-Scam Fallout

  • Marini tries to recoup funds by suing colleges for tuition paid with ill-gotten gains, but universities keep the money.
  • The scammer evades justice for years, gloating about the situation.

• Philosophical Takeaway

  • Laci and Jon repeatedly draw connections between blind trust, greed, embarrassment, and the inevitable futility of clawing back losses—when those losses have woven into the fabric of suburban life.

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Scammer of the Week: The Witchy Woman’s Evil Spirit Blessing Scam (52:27–59:47)

• The Scam

  • Samantha Stevenson, 27, poses as psychic "Ivana Lopez" and cons a 67-year-old man out of over $600,000 with a spirit-cleansing scam.
  • She convinces him to sell his house, transfer money to her, and burn cash to rid spirits.
  • The charge under Canadian law: “pretending to practice witchcraft” for material gain.
  • Quotes:
    • Laci Mosley: "If you wanted to get rid of evil spirits in your home, you had to sell your house. Okay, well then the spirit ain't there no more." (53:57)
    • Jon Gabrus: "She could scam an old man out of money the old fashioned way by just dangling pussy in front of him. So I appreciate her going the other way and dangling the devil's pussy." (58:13)

• Commentary

  • The hosts marvel at the “witchcraft” charge and riff on psychic scams—from Cleo to Miss Cleo.
  • Banter about whether burning $6,000 cash counts as witchcraft and speculate about the effort Samantha went through to keep her con going.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Listener Scam Creativity:

  • Laci Mosley: "He pulled the sword out... pulled the body out the drawer. Like, what is this?" (09:57)

• Meta Commentary on Fraud:

  • Jon Gabrus: "Keeping a lie up for 25 years is hard as hell." (43:16)

• Harold’s Lack of Remorse:

  • Laci Mosley: "[Harold] gloated that the bankruptcy trustee overseeing their case lost that money. Harold, you're rude." (50:43)

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Important Timestamps

• Opening banter, ads skipped — 00:42
• Listener mortician scam story — 08:34–15:29
• Academic scam/college as scam — 15:30–22:08
• Historic Hoodwink: The Long Island Coin Fraud — 22:09–46:15
• Legal fallout and aftermath — 46:16–52:26
• Scammer of the Week: The Witch/Psychic scam — 52:27–59:47

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Tone, Energy & Listener Takeaways

• Tone: Playful, irreverent, and frequently explicit with biting satire on both the culture of scamming and those who get scammed.
• Takeaway: Scams are everywhere—education, suburban friendships, occult rituals. Trust is currency—and sometimes, that currency is counterfeit.
• Laci’s Signoff: "Keep scamming!"

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Want more?

• Submit your own “retired” scam: [e-mail]
• Follow @ScamGoddessPod
• Listen to more from Jon Gabrus on his many comedy podcasts

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“As always, stay schemin’.”

Transcript

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[Lacey Mosley]

Qualifying credit required. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. This episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay scheming. Scams, robbery and frauds. Scams, robbery and fraud. What is up, Congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess. Back with another installment of the podcast, Scam Goddess. Yes, I named my name is Lazy Mosley and I'm so fucking excited for our guest today. You've heard him all over, you've seen him all over.

[John Gabrius]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

He has 90 million podcasts. John Gabrius, how many podcasts do you have currently running?

[John Gabrius]

I guess now I technically have three.

[Lacey Mosley]

Currently running.

[John Gabrius]

Yes. Because raised by TV action boys, High and Mighty, and then now the Gino Lombardo show is currently running.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. The Gina Lombardo Show. I'm doing great things.

[John Gabrius]

People are going apeshit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know.

[John Gabrius]

It came out today, so who knows?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I'm sure they are. I love it. I love it.

[John Gabrius]

I have severe outfit envy. I just want you to know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you.

[John Gabrius]

That's like, extremely my shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a big compliment. Cause you dress so well.

[John Gabrius]

Well, I dressed like shit today because I was inspired, knowing I wasn't gonna have to take an IG shot. So I'm in my gym clothes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh. Hey. Oh, wait a minute. Was that chartreuse under there? Are those chartreuse compression shorts? Holy shit.

[John Gabrius]

It's one p. So you did Chubby Summer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, that's.

[John Gabrius]

Chubby is. Chubby's is one piece. The underwear is built. No, they never let me model Chubby's.

[Lacey Mosley]

What are you doing?

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, what the fuck, Chummies? That's the scam of the century, is me becoming a plus size model.

[Lacey Mosley]

You killed it on there, though. They had this, like, ad campaign and like, so many people voted for you. They were just doing that as advertisement. That was a fudgeing scam.

[John Gabrius]

That's what Bullshit. Because I knew it was bullshit. When the 10 finalists were selected by the people running the competition and votes were only 10% of the value, I'm like, motherfucker, that is such a cop out. That's so. I mean, ideally it's so that they could hopefully pick people of all different types rather than just the 10.

[Lacey Mosley]

But come on now, I had the most popular one, most votes. That means that you should have won something. That's bullshit. Because it's like, oh, you're higher. We're going to do this based on votes, but they only count for 1% of our decision.

[John Gabrius]

So it's like, you got to hustle. And then I'm like. The rest of it is just like, vague. Whatever you want. Okay. I assume. I like to pretend it's because my Instagram is probably not, you know, marketing worthy.

[Lacey Mosley]

What?

[John Gabrius]

Like. Like, it's just a. It's not. It's R rated. It's a hard R. Oh, yeah. You know I say the N word.

[Lacey Mosley]

With the hard R. We're leaving that in. We're leaving it in.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. No, of course.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, at this point in the podcast, I haven't told anyone that I was black.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[John Gabrius]

None of your listeners know.

[Lacey Mosley]

I reveal it. I reveal it every episode. If you hear me say, nigga, I am black. I'm one of the blackest.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, yeah. And you know what? Same here. If I say the N word, if I say the N word, it's because I'm black. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Got it.

[John Gabrius]

Moving on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. John Gabris, a black man.

[John Gabrius]

Don't worry, I will not say the N word. I stopped doing that a while ago. Like 18 months, I learned. 18 months ago.

[Lacey Mosley]

18 months ago. That's too recent.

[John Gabrius]

Well, I stopped. I said it along with music for way too long. Now. I even.

[Lacey Mosley]

Were you at least in your own home.

[John Gabrius]

In my own home or car? Yeah. I'm not Windows.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, listen, I just wanna say white people out there, we know y' all saying the N word in your home. And we know, we know, we know you're in your car.

[John Gabrius]

I doubt most of them that are staying in their home are rapping along. Juicy J, get in your car.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're just like, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. And then you look around and you're like, woo. That felt good. I know. You gotta get it off your chest. Just don't fucking make videos of it. Don't fucking say it to me.

[John Gabrius]

Don't do it in the makeup chair at your job.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I don't pay your fucking rent. I do not pay your car note. Okay? I'm not giving you permission. I'm not saying. Don't go out there and say, listen. Told y' all to say nigger in your cars. Cause I didn't. If I look over and I'm driving and you just niggering away like, you might get sideswiped. Okay, I didn't tell you to do that. But I am saying. I know you do it.

[John Gabrius]

Saying it as a ing word is very funny. If I see you hittering in your car. See, I could radio edit myself long.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, exactly. I don't know why so many people act like it's so difficult. It's not. And listen, I will give y'. All. Nigga, I will give white people, nigga. If I could have rights, full rights in society.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, yeah. It's not worth it. Well, you can keep the word. Never mind. Never mind.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll bring it to you.

[John Gabrius]

Never mind. I wanted to be able to say it, but not for, like, for equal rights. That shit is gonna be a problem in the long run.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, shit, no. I'm offering it to you right now. White people, you can have nigger. You can say the hard R. Just give me rights. Stop your police from killing us. Like. And that's a joke, but it's also very fucking real. Y' all don't wanna do that. So stop trying to say nigga. Leave us alone.

[John Gabrius]

I feel like Zig knew the second I had you had me on the podcast would be the longest discussion of the N word.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, I love. I love a problematic pod.

[John Gabrius]

Listen.

[Lacey Mosley]

But these are jokes, people. Sometimes people be in my reviews, like, giving me all this hardcore journalistic advice. I am not a journalist. I feel like I have to say this so many times. Yeah, that is a scam.

[John Gabrius]

I have to keep. Constantly remind podcast listeners that I am an idiot. And I'm doing comedy. Like, relax comedy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, why I laugh so much. Why there's so many jokes.

[John Gabrius]

They're like, the lead singer of Rush is actually. I'm like, shut the fuck up. You know, I was talking extemporaneously for two and a half hours. You think I got to research?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I got a computer up here right now. Like, I'm not here to educate you. I mean, I am. I am here to educate you on scams. But beyond that.

[John Gabrius]

But beyond I I love that your podcast is about scams. That's such a fucking exciting topic.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so fun. It's been such a good ass time. I've learned some scams. I've inspired people to do scams.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, it's not. It's not necessarily a negative portrayal. Scams.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, no, no. We worship scammers here.

[John Gabrius]

We.

[Lacey Mosley]

I support them fully. You know what I mean? I've offered to advertise some scams on the show if people want to support them.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, hell yeah. Let's get some MLMS advertising on this show.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, all of our ads are real, guys. Our ads are not scams. That's the only thing about this podcast that it's not a scam. I feel the need to say that because I'm gonna get in trouble.

[John Gabrius]

Please use my product and my promo code.

[Lacey Mosley]

My promo code is scam a lot though, which I love that ads are down for that. I love that they're down for that.

[John Gabrius]

Yes, Just put in the promo code scam. And we show up at your house and take your mattress out of your living room or whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a reverse CA situation. We take your mattress from you.

[John Gabrius]

No scam. You gotta buy it back.

[Lacey Mosley]

So speaking of talking about scams.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, solid transition. Speaking of talking about scams, if only there was a short. I'm not a journalist and that I'm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well aware Jacob roasted my ass. So we like to start off every episode with, like, what's hot and fraud. And sometimes that'll just be me warning you about what's going on. New scams, new ways to watch out for your credit card. A lot of it involving gas stations. Gas stations are where a lot of scams are born. And Brooklyn. Brooklyn is the Silicon Valley of scams. I've said it before.

[John Gabrius]

I believe that I lived there for seven years.

[Lacey Mosley]

Instead of black turtlenecks, everyone's wearing chains and very loud Migos blouses. But it's the same deal. So, guys, if you have a scam that you've retired, if you have a scam run on you that you want to share, you can always email [e-mail].

[John Gabrius]

I like that you say a scam that you retired, like. Cause these scam artists are like, I'm not blowing my shit up, hell no.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't want to fuck up the bag. You know what I mean? I want you to get your money, and then once you tired, you share with me. Now, this scam comes from a gentleman. I'm not Going to say his name. He gives me these specifics, so I will read them, but I'm not going to say where you're from either. So he says, I'm a gay mortician in Blank City. I don't know why he had to tell me he was a gay mortician.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, I know. Just say mortician, we know you're all gay. The stereotype, no one knows.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So he's a gay mortician who has access to electronic databases for a death certificate registry and the ability to create them. He went with his man. He went with his man, honey, to Vegas one year for a getaway while also taking 25 online class units in a college to finish his undergrad. So he has said he ends up getting drunk so hard in Vegas that he forgot about his midterm that was due the same weekend. He says, when I woke up, right? He says, when I woke up on Monday, after I got home from that latest hell Sunday, I realized the grave error I made. Is that supposed to be a pun, sir? Suddenly the ability to scam came alive in me.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, shit. That's how it happens.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know if it just comes alive in your body.

[John Gabrius]

You're born with the scam ability. It is the chosen one. The gay mortician scams are alive inside of you, my son. Release them upon the world.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he pulled the sword out of the st. Pulled the body out of the drawer. Like, what is this? So it says, I emailed my teacher that I did not get rest all weekend due to my neighbor's child passing away by peanut allergy. Damn.

[John Gabrius]

Jesus.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said that he basically had been helping every waking moment that weekend and could not do his midterm. He said that he was sorry and that the professor asked him to send a copy of the death certificate and program and he would count his final for both terms and last testing. So basically, if you send me a death certificate proving that this really happened, I will just count your final twice and you don't have to take the midterm exam.

[John Gabrius]

It's crazy that teachers have to get to that level. Cause people do do the scan.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know, but also it's like, come on now, just let me say somebody died and let's move on from this. We both know I'm lying. Now I gotta get on here and Photoshop. You know how many times I killed off my auntie?

[John Gabrius]

Yo, I have some. My mom has had to come through and be like, okay, look, someone did.

[Lacey Mosley]

Die, like when I was in college. She died so much.

[John Gabrius]

My mom definitely lied about grandmas dying before, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't believe me?

[John Gabrius]

Ask my mom. Mom, I need a really weird favor. If a teacher calls and asks, just say your mom died recently, not 10 years ago, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Bring up your. I know this is traumatic for you, probably still, but I'm going to need this from you.

[John Gabrius]

And I know you probably don't want to, you know, reservice it all on behalf of your slacker son, but let's get to work.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let's get to work.

[John Gabrius]

So choosing a child death is intense too, right? Because then you put, like, some real stress and sad on the person listening to, like, a grandma, grandpa dying, you can, like, wrap your head around.

[Lacey Mosley]

So. And normally, you know, I don't like to read sad shit. That's not what we do on this podcast. But he said that he had to use the child because. And this is where the fucked up part comes in. He says, so I had a boy who died with a peanut allergy two weeks ago at the funeral home, and I had access to all the printed materials we used for his service and death certificate. I printed the death certificate, blacked out the parents information and Social Security numbers so he could not be found. I also went into our online database at the funeral home and changed the dates of the service to correlate with the date coming.

[John Gabrius]

This is a scam that isn't for everybody.

[Lacey Mosley]

We have a lot of access to do this scam. I photoshopped an obit, okay? Those are made in word. You know what I mean? My family is so black, they love putting somebody, like, in some clouds or some shit. So, you know, very basic editing.

[John Gabrius]

You know, we got plenty of photos of women in cloud photos.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, they said, go sunrise, sunset. That's the beginning of every black program. So you just gotta change that. Sunset, baby, baby chin. Sunset, sunset, baby. So he printed all of this out, and then the icing on the cake is he used Adobe Photoshop to crop some pictures of himself into a barbecue that he was having at his house.

[John Gabrius]

Jesus. He went for it. Probably unnecessary, but now he's just getting cocky.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like you don't need to also submit proof of you being at a fake barbecue.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, he's holding up a newspaper and shit like it's today's date.

[Lacey Mosley]

I promise. Like, you went on Facebook, found this little boy family barbecue, edited yourself. Did you have to go take pictures outside to match the lighting? Like, you went outside, took a picture with a damn Pat's Blue Ribbon in your hand.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. He's like, hey, Brian, we need a children's corpse asap. I gotta post this photo of me giving a thumbs up next to it to prove to my teacher. My teacher, my online course also.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is an online course.

[John Gabrius]

He doesn't even know what you look like. Why do you have to Photoshop yourself in? If it's online, you can use any photo you want. That's me, Conan the Barbarian, standing there at a children's funeral.

[Lacey Mosley]

Funeral. And it's online course. Like, is online school even reputable? Online school is a scam.

[John Gabrius]

It's probably a healthy dose of us, but college in general is a scam. So maybe online is, like, the easiest way to be scammed. It's probably a little cheaper than going to a liberal arts.

[Lacey Mosley]

Remember when Shaq used to be selling Phoenix University?

[John Gabrius]

Shaq is my. Shaq is one of the richest people I know who has no qualms about visibly slumming in front of everybody at all. He's like, all right, yeah. So next up, these are my brand French fries. You can bake them. It's like, shaq, how much money. How much money is Shaq making for the general? General, because they don't have. The budget of the ads themselves is awful.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[John Gabrius]

So you got checked. They probably blew all the money on Chef.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So then they're doing a handheld recorder from the 90s.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. Even, like, his Icy Hot ad is just like him on a black screen. Like, him with, like, nothing in the background. Just like I use Icy Hot.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're like, I love Icy Hut. I put it on my body. It's icy and it's hot. Okay. They didn't even spend money on somebody writing copy. They're like, jack, just riff.

[John Gabrius]

He's a master improviser. If you've ever watched NBA on tnt, it should be fine. It's true. He is a solid. He's solid out of the pocket. He's good.

[Lacey Mosley]

So.

[John Gabrius]

So, Shaq, I'll go to your online college is what I'm saying.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Shaq, if you want to make your own online college outside of Phoenix University, I will attend it.

[John Gabrius]

I've got 12 degrees. That would be such a great fuck. Dude, I want to do an online scam, so I school scam. So I have, like, 24 majors. I want to be like, I also have a master's. Yeah, like, just keep listing all the shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I honestly don't get a degree anymore. Just say you got it. You know what I mean? There's so many ways. There's so Much Photoshop. You don't have to actually go out and get a degree anymore.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, I know. I can't believe, like, it was 15 years ago or whatever, where I had to write my GPA on a resume.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Everything's on Google, bro. So he says. I ended up getting an A in that class. Love the show. Scammer, Mortician.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, hell yeah. That's awesome. And I hope he gets plenty more business that he can. He can exploit the deaths of children more for his benefit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, damn. I mean, look, I have killed off an auntie. I have not gone and changed the database on a website and Photoshopped myself into photos with her.

[John Gabrius]

But, oh, me, it's a little scary for me to do stuff like that because I know there's no correlation. But God forbid something happens shortly after me lying about that, I'll feel that shit in my bones. Like, if you're like, make up a lie about your aunt and then she passes away, I'd be like, no, you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can'T find people who are already dead.

[John Gabrius]

That's the move, Right? Right. Right. That way, if they come back to life, then it'. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can't build people who are alive. That's just too risky. Yeah.

[John Gabrius]

No, it's not worth it. Your. Your. Your online communications professor might run into a child who's still alive and be like, I thought you died from a peanut allergy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Also, the. Like, you were online teacher. Like, why are you asking for so much? Like, you know people are lying. Just be like, okay, we'll make your final count as double. Like, don't make me produce all this information. Don't even go to Kinkos.

[John Gabrius]

Just be like, if you want to take a B minus, I'll give it to you right now. That's the shit I want. I want to be like, look, I don't have the time to blah, blah, blah. Teacher just goes, I don't give a shit either. I'll give you an 84 right now. I'm like, I'll take it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what are we really doing here? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I have to show you that I learned the things that you taught me. Like, let's just skip that.

[John Gabrius]

Let's just be real. We're just trying to get to the point where I have a degree so I can get some shitty job, you know? Like, I just need to demonstrate that I did college.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cut to the fucking chase. I was so glad I had a professor like that in college because I have a business degree and I hated Finance. And there was, like, a corporate finance class that I had to take, and I waited until my last semester to take it, which was fucking stupid. I was on. And so, like, what I would do in a lot of my business classes is I would, like, show up to office hours looking real rough. Like I, you know, wouldn't comb my hair. Like, I'd wear, you know, some rags, some 18th century rags.

[John Gabrius]

This is hard. This is hard for me to even picture.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would do it and I'd come in and I'd be like, oh, my God, this class is so hard. Like, can you help me with these problems? Can you give me. What's the answer to the homework? Like, I would just do this, come.

[John Gabrius]

In looking sad on purpose, just looking beat up.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they would give me answers and they would. Like, this worked for me all the time. And I had one professor who. His class was so fucking hard that when I graduated, I was walking across the stage and I leaned over to him and I was like, is this coming in the mail? The diploma? I was like, am I gonna get this in the mail or no?

[John Gabrius]

Am I opening? Am I opening up just a big letter that says sorry inside this thing?

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, yeah, yeah.

[John Gabrius]

Why'd they even print a diploma that just says sorry? That's brutal.

[Lacey Mosley]

Dicks. The University of Pittsburgh. Sorry. That's rude as shit now. I was like, is it going to come in the mail? He was like, yeah. I was like, okay, thank you. I used to pretend to be, like, underprivileged youth because every time I told somebody I was at school on scholarship, they'd be like, oh, for athletics. I was like, no, bitch. Academics. I'm fucking smart, but I'm black. So they'd be like, so you run fast. That's better.

[John Gabrius]

That's better than just saying, like, your family's poor.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was the next assumption. Which was funny because my family was not poor. I only went to school out of state because I wanted to leave state. So I was like, oh, okay, I'll get a scholarship. I knew I was gonna be an actor and I wasn't gonna make money for a while, so I went and did that. But now my parents. Parents could have paid for college.

[John Gabrius]

It's really. It's really funny that you went to your teacher looking hurt to get where for you. I guess it works on both ends. Like, if you showed up looking fine, you can, like, showed up all dressed up, all gussied up, and you're like, I'm having trouble with this question. You'd get the answer, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, I don't know if I would. Then they'd be like, you're not trying. You're not applying yourself.

[John Gabrius]

You have to act like you were hustling.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I got to look like I had already applied myself before I came. And if that didn't work, it's so.

[John Gabrius]

Hard for me as a student athlete. They're like, what sport? You're like, shut up. All right, never mind. Let's get at it.

[Lacey Mosley]

What sport do you play? Running.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. Is running a sport? Because I'm good at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm fast. I do running. I'm very fast. Did I mention I'm black?

[John Gabrius]

Can't you just see I'm an athlete? Let's go.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You know, growing up in the inner.

[John Gabrius]

Cities, I'm wearing tights. Let's move. I got leggings on. You know, I'm an athlete.

[Lacey Mosley]

You said you're from Frisco, Texas? Yeah, the inner cities of Frisco, Texas. You know what I'm saying?

[John Gabrius]

You don't know where that is?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we got one small ghetto.

[John Gabrius]

I mean, I don't live anywhere near it, thank God.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

That's correct.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[John Gabrius]

Have I ever mentioned that on a podcast before?

[Lacey Mosley]

I think Long island is becoming a brand of yours.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, it's going, hey, I'm leaning in. I'm like five days away from becoming like a Long island version of Larry the Cable Guy and I want it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everybody wants it.

[John Gabrius]

I need it, actually.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what I mean? People are looking right now for that. That Voice of America again.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. People are like, you know what, let's get some white people. And I got. I'm going to stand out by being from Long Island.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's going to work.

[John Gabrius]

It's be going to to work for me.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is a historic hoodwink about a man named Harold Adamo.

[John Gabrius]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's a rare coin dealer who has been accused of $330,000 in coin consignment and sales fraud in which he bilked. I love the word bilked.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, bilked sounds so good.

[Lacey Mosley]

It just rolls off the tongue. He bilked several coin dealers and private collectors out of money, gold and collectible coins under the guise of legitimate coin deals. So he allegedly took advantage of long term business relationship, stole collectibles and cash. Now, what's crazy is like some of these relationships span over 20 years and.

[John Gabrius]

He just like lightly scammed them every once in a while or is he bilking them nonstop, by the way? Bilking someone non stop? I felt uncomfortable saying that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it sounds sexual. Yeah.

[John Gabrius]

Fuck, I haven't been bilked since I was in college. That's where they pour milk in your butt, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[John Gabrius]

Okay, good.

[Lacey Mosley]

That works. And then the b butt milk built. Yeah. You get it? Yeah.

[John Gabrius]

Now, thanks for explaining my joke.

[Lacey Mosley]

So at age 15, rococo morini. Love that name.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, that's not an alias. That's not a fake name.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a real name.

[John Gabrius]

Rococo.

[Lacey Mosley]

You would think I make the names up on this show because they're always so fucking insane. But scammers love a. Love a crazy name. So Rococo Morini began buying and selling irregular sweaters at flea markets. By his early 20s, the enterprising Marini had amassed millions from his growing textile business. Several years later, Rococo Morini at 54 years of age and Safine at 50, became close friends with Harold Ademo, one of their neighbors. The two men and their wives socialized regularly and became godparents to each other's children. Yeah, when I hear socialized regularly, that sounds like that's some.

[John Gabrius]

That's some small town.

[Lacey Mosley]

Small town.

[John Gabrius]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

50S. I love it.

[John Gabrius]

The best guy. If I'm gonna watch anyone, it's gonna be four 50 year old people. O, I'm not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, listen, I'm not sex shaming you. Get out here. I want. I want to nut till I die. Okay.

[John Gabrius]

That could be a rage.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just a smoke.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, I want to nut until I die and I want to die in five days.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nobody want to be 95. Just like.

[John Gabrius]

Matthew McConaughey's dad died his mom. Isn't that like a.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's beautiful.

[John Gabrius]

Isn't that amazing?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's like the Notebook.

[John Gabrius]

I guess. I've never. I don't remember the Notebook that well.

[Lacey Mosley]

But you don't remember that scene where they had sex with a bit down.

[John Gabrius]

And she finishes still, she's like, hold on. Rigamortis is set in. Give me another minute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Lord. Oh, God, what a dark.

[John Gabrius]

Well, what a dark thing. Let's get back to this guy stealing from an elderly married couple.

[Lacey Mosley]

So what I love about this is like, yeah, they have to be fucking. My mom used to try to hang out with our neighbors. They would have bunko nights, which is where I guess they would play the dice game. Bunko, which is just like, I don't know, a white people, a rich white people game where you. I don't know.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, I don't know. I'm a poor white person. So we didn't have that game. We had poker and dice. I grew up playing dice with my friends.

[Lacey Mosley]

Dice, you know, where sometimes you stab someone, sometimes you don't.

[John Gabrius]

Wow, this is a very weird. This might be weird for listeners to hear a white guy telling a black girl, I grew up playing dice. I don't know what Game, that is. I grew up shooting dice in the alley.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, look, we're all monolith. But I do keep my secret lifestyle of having a privileged life to myself.

[John Gabrius]

Hey, smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's medium privilege. We're just like medium upper. Upper middle class. Not like crazy.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, like, just like fountain in the yard.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not like Tyler Perry Greenleaf. Okay, Not Greenleaf, rich.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, you're not building your millions on the back of non union actors. Tyler Perry, great scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

He is a great scammer.

[John Gabrius]

Listen, but he also is making fucking art for people to watch.

[Lacey Mosley]

So we can. We'll call it art. It's something. It's something. It's recorded.

[John Gabrius]

Madea is my Tony Soprano, yo.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tyler Perry killed me because I think he made acrimony in a week. And I talk about this with people because please watch the movie. Acrimony. It's so fucking bad that it's good.

[John Gabrius]

A few. Like, I think he has like a 1 in 4 that come out that you were like, oh, this is an actual movie. And then like three out of four, like, this is an insurance scam where you had access to a baseball field and you shot a movie and a green screen.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not even kidding. I've never seen someone shoot a walking and talking scene. Like, a walk and talk on a green screen that doesn't. Green screen, doesn't move. And here they are just a walking. I'm like, there's a boat in the back. The boat hasn't moved at all. Truly. You love to see it. The audacity of that movie to be in theaters. I love it. I live for it. So these swingers. Rococo. So rococo. Morini thought he had a foolproof way to boost his assets. Investing in a pal's coin business. This is obviously harold. So in 2002, approximately 10 years after they became friends, the Atomos surprised the Marinis by unexpectedly joining them during a Caribbean vacation.

[John Gabrius]

Unexpectedly. Okay. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cheryl. On the carnival cruises, like, what are you doing here?

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, I had a friend back in the day was like, oh, these are my friends I go on a cruise with. I'm like, oh, are they a couple? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, just the three of you go on a cruise? They're like, yeah, but we're just all friends. I was like, you don't have to lie to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you can say that you're fucking these people and that they're taking you on this cruise for free.

[John Gabrius]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

We all sit in the same stateroom.

[John Gabrius]

I get to wear The Mickey Mouse ears.

[Lacey Mosley]

I get to keep all the towel animals after we fuck on them. So. So they go on this unexpected Caribbean vacation. During the vacation, Marini and Adamo began discussing coin transaction. Marini expressed interest in investing in these coins. Okay. So Adamo proposed that Marini invest some of his wealth in rare coins that he would select for him. So to reassure Marini, Adamo made certain representations, including that Addamo would be investing in the same coins as Morini. So basically, we're going to go in on the same coin. So I have as much to lose as you do. The coins were liquid and marine. Marini could sell them on 24 to 48 hours notice.

[John Gabrius]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Addamo would only charge a small commission on each coin that he sold to Marini. Over time, Adamo also provided Marini with written statements purporting to show the market value of the coins that Marini had purchased.

[John Gabrius]

Never invest in something that you don't fully understand. Right. Like, isn't that like a go to? Yeah, like, if you're like, I'm gonna buy land, it's like, I don't know shit about land. Let me look into it. I don't know shit about. About collectible coins.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, don't get educated by the person who's going to make money off of you, because then I'm going to fucking tell you whatever I want.

[John Gabrius]

Also. Yeah. Don't you just have like a stock, the stocks or something? I don't even know. Like, that's how broke I have been my whole life. I'm like, don't you have stocks? I don't even know what that means. But like, to choose coins and be like, no, I trust you. I got. Don't worry about our future children. I got this fudgeing rare coin in the attic. You mom coins.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, are those really worth. This is 2002. So this is before the housing market bubble in 2008. So this is when people still had money to blow up on. Dumb shit.

[John Gabrius]

Yes. Yeah. Because they have to pay their like $4800 a month balloon mortgage that they're trapped in right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. So unbeknownst to Marini, Adamo was defrauding him. Duh. Like, if.

[John Gabrius]

So he's giving him fake coins and also collecting a commission on, like, that's such a.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Adamo would buy coins at low prices and then sell them to Marini at exorbitant markups. For example, Adamo would buy a 1988 $1 Morgan silver silver coin. April 2003 for $200. And then he would sell the coin to Marini December 2003 for 100,000. What?

[John Gabrius]

Okay, so that's not just a little bit of money you have that you're investing. That's a lot of.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you're buying $100,000, that's a big ass markup.

[John Gabrius]

If I don't. I don't know much about collectible coins, but it sounds like he just instantly lost 900. And he instantly lost $99,000. 900, $199. A dollar coin for 100 grand. Seems like, hey, I got a $20 bill. You have 60 bucks. I'll sell it to you right now. That's a quick scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

What the. Also like, Harold, you are greedy as you couldn't have bought a $200 coin and sold it to my man's for like $1200. I know, I know.

[John Gabrius]

Isn't it not enough to make $1,000 off the guy who's been your wife on cruises for the last.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Y' all been each other's wives on these cruises. Y' all haven't built a poor. You've seen each other's dicks.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, you've seen your. You've seen his. I'm going to be way too specific based on the fudgeing, swinger, amateur shit I've been watching, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

What?

[John Gabrius]

Another. Continue.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in another instance, Adamo sold Marie. I keep calling Adamo and Harold, but that's the same guy. Guys, Harold sold Marini an 1880 Morgan Stanley coin, another dollar coin for 250,000 in December of 2002, and then just one month later, later bought back the same exact coin for himself from another dealer for only $33,500.

[John Gabrius]

Jesus.

[Lacey Mosley]

How much money did Marini have?

[John Gabrius]

Holy, what a cash cow. If your neighbor's like, hey, I'm looking to spend some money, do you. Can you help me? It's like, sure, what are you looking to spend? I don't know, five, six hundred thousand dollars? Be like, oh, well, I got two coins with your name on it.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I can help you. Let me tell you how the business works.

[John Gabrius]

Don't go on online and also flip her over. She likes it from behind for a little bit. I imagine all the business deals are happening while they're drinking, like, big ass margaritas and each other while everyone's guts are slapping the gun.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, God. Oh, what an image. So Harold was told in August 2018 that he had a buyer for 18 ounces of gold and an 1837 D dime.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, I don't know much about coins, but I know that one is good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is that a slave dime? You know, we really want that one. And see, and that's when white people are saying the NW in their homes. He probably got that dime and was.

[John Gabrius]

Like 18 in 1837. I think they were saying it, saying it wherever they wanted to, unfortunately.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that's why he wanted the coin so bad, so he could rub it and think of better times.

[John Gabrius]

Just rub it. Thinking about racism is like the weirdest shit ever. It's like how racist you got to be to just like, like rub the wood of a plantation.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, that's what they fudgeing do. I went on a tour in Savannah and I only went on one because I realized they were all the same. And it was like this old Southern, like mansion that obviously slaves worked in. The tour guide had a little bit of Asperger's that I diagnosed myself, which is fudged up. But she just seemed like she was on the spectrum and she was really slave heavy on this tour. The dialogue, loved.

[John Gabrius]

It's weird. It's weird that, like, slave history, like, is not. It's so prevalent.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, it's so prevalent. We don't want to talk about it. And it's not that long ago my grandfather went to a colored only high school. So you guys really should off. But. So she's walking through this house and she's really kind of discussing in real detail. She's like, this is where the slaves slept. This is where they would take care of the mistress's children and blah, blah, blah. And I liked, you know, learning this stuff, even though it's sad, you know, it's my history on this tour. I am the only, only black person.

[John Gabrius]

Everyone else, everyone keeps looking at you, like, nodding solemnly. No slavery, huh?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that was the weird part. I was like, where are the uncomfortable white people that I've grown to love in Los Angeles?

[John Gabrius]

Well, they're not in Savannah.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're problematic. White people in LA are problematic, but it's like the like, oh, we're gonna touch your hair and ask uncomfortable questions and make you aware that you're different as much as possible, but in a woke quote unquote way. But in the south, it's like usually like a little more like, hey, what's up?

[John Gabrius]

Hi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Or something. These on this tour, I have not seen more people just in awe of a slave house. Like, she would be like, yes, and this is where the slaves were beaten. And they'd be like, is that Marble? Is that real marble? Is that from the original house? Like, they were more interested in the architecture of this house than the actual history of it. It was weird.

[John Gabrius]

I used to do comedy gigs in Charleston all the time, and I would always ask people shit to do, and people are like, oh. Like, white people always be like, you gotta see the slave market. I was like, I'm sorry, what? And I was like, it's a thing. And I thought, maybe it's like, oh, it's this new thing, but this is where the slave market once was. And I was like, oh, okay. So we rode our bikes over, and it's like, this was the slave market. And it's not. It's like a commemorative slave market. I'm like, yo, how that this, like, Auschwitz having a fucking ticket taker at the door?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, black history is the only history where it's like, like, not revered. Is this, like, sad never again thing? It's like, better days.

[John Gabrius]

They're like, hold off till February, sweetheart.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like, hey, remember when white folks were really in power?

[John Gabrius]

That's like, to me, it should. We should be humiliated. And it's insane. Like, it should be a point of reverence. Like, maybe it should stay up and kids should go there and have to learn the dark of that instead. Just like, isn't this crazy?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, look how nice these houses were.

[John Gabrius]

This is where nice white people were able to purchase other people.

[Lacey Mosley]

All this for one straw penny. Like, what the.

[John Gabrius]

An 1812 dime? Holy. This is going to be worth 500.

[Lacey Mosley]

Grand someday, and it should not be robbery. Choose to show up with the bold styling of the Mazda CX30. I wake up.

[John Gabrius]

Hey there, it's Kelly Ripa. And if you've been listening to my podcast, we are knee deep in season three. And if you haven't heard it, it's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Time to get on board.

[John Gabrius]

After years of interviewing celebs on camera.

[Lacey Mosley]

I finally get to bring you the.

[John Gabrius]

Real conversations that take place when the cameras aren't rolling.

[Lacey Mosley]

Where else are you going to hear.

[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Nowhere else.

[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

All, it's off camera.

[John Gabrius]

And believe me, that's where you get the good stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

And this guy's already got several hundred thousand dollars of his friend's money and he can't even. He doesn't have 30 liquid.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he's like, is he writing from a bad account? Like, I don't know.

[John Gabrius]

I like to completely make up all his backstory. So let's say he's being blackmailed by a different couple He's. He's been swinging with.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. He started having sex with a wife not on Caribbean vacation. And they were like, this was not our rules.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. He broke the rules of the open marriage. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Harold later stopped communicating with the dealer. Making makes sense. Check bounces. He's like, I'm not actually giving you this money. Bye. So the same month, Harold bought six Canadian Maple Leaf 1 ounce coins with a check for more than seven $300. Prosecutor said he returned later that month and bought 22 other coins. They were like Cure Grand 1 ounce gold coins with another check for more than $27,000. Both checks bounce, bounce, bounce. Oh, no, I can't. I can't do that anymore. That's the bad man. I forgot. Forgot.

[John Gabrius]

All right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, it's a bad man. So prosecutors said that Harold stopped communicating with the dealer. Duh. This is his game. He write a bad check, then he'd be like, change my phone.

[John Gabrius]

I mean, I stopped talking to people for way less than defrauding them of $200,000. I lost. I lost friends over like trying to split a bill at a taco stand. So I get it for this kind of.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, harold ghosted me. I got game. So Harold met most of the dealers through a so called coin symposium. How fucking nerdy is this?

[John Gabrius]

And I'd like to go there and just fucking alpha everyone out of their money. I'll give you a fucking Wedgie. If you don't give me a hay penny or whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not even just dropping any. I want a hay penny. Which are chat rooms for coin dealers in the community. This is a community. He was also known to coin dealers and the public through public coin shows and websites. Are people fudgeing at these coin shows, I tell you.

[John Gabrius]

Who is Adamo, baby.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me get a picture of Adamo up. Let's see if he's hot. Yeah. Is the Antique Roadshow just like the furry convention? Is everyone getting it on there?

[John Gabrius]

I think any convention, when you get a bunch of people who are into the same stuff, they're going to inevitably end up fuck. You know what I mean? Like, it's a lot of people who are into old garbage. So they're all going to get together and be like, oh, if you're. If you're like a guy who collects coins and there's a woman who collects coins and you're both single, you all already have the icebreaker built in.

[Lacey Mosley]

Of course.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. I remember famously, when I was a kid, my dad. Famously, my dad would always tell me that all the little people were like, crazy on the wizard of Oz. He's like, think about it, Johnny. All these little people get together. He didn't use that word, of course, because it was the 80s when he was telling me this, but he's like, all these little people get together, you know, they're gonna be. That's the most amount of little people that's ever been together in one time. They're. I was like, oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. He didn't have, like, a documentary about the this. He just assumes that they're fudgeing. I mean, any movie said, after a while there's fudgeing happening. I've learned. I was like, wow, all this fudgeing was happening around me. I had no idea. Okay, so getting caught. While we look at this photo, Harold and the Marcelli's friendship was well established. They had known each other for 25 years. Can you imagine someone you've known for 25 years stealing, like, $300,000 from you? That's fucking wild.

[John Gabrius]

That's fucking upsetting.

[Lacey Mosley]

And he was fudgeing your wife.

[John Gabrius]

And according to our version, I TR you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I said, he was my wife, my money.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah, he's got all the bags.

[Lacey Mosley]

So eventually, Marini discovered the fraud and demanded that Harold buy back his coins. When Harold refused, Marini sued him for fraud, alleging damages of over $11 million.

[John Gabrius]

Holy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Expert testimony played a crucial role in helping Marini establish both liability and damages, meaning that Marini got on stand and just sang like a Canadian Mary. In order to prove fraud, Marini needed to show, among other things, that Harold had misinterpreted the value or misrepresented the value of the coins that he sold to Marini and charged him an excessive markup. To establish these facts, Marini presented the testimony of two coin experts. The two determine the true market value of the coins, and Marini went to auctions. Blah, blah, blah. This is how he gets them. Harold challenged the reliability of this valuation methodology under Daubert v. Merrill.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, classic. We all learned about that in school.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Is this man a lawyer? The gist of Adamo's argum was that reliance on auction prices was inappropriate, given that subjective factors like taste can affect the value of extremely rare coins.

[John Gabrius]

Oh, that's his back guy. He's like, look, I thought I liked it, so I thought it was worth more than it really was.

[Lacey Mosley]

Harold, you are slippery. The court disagreed and found the expert's testimony reliable. Okay, shout out to the court while. Can you imagine being a juror on a coin case? How fucking boring.

[John Gabrius]

I know. And you're like, oh, that's no problem. It'll be done in no time. And then it's like, please look at the 1812 Morgan Stanley doll coin exhibit A and be like, oh, fuck me, dude. And then I'll just be picturing the two couples fucking the whole time.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what gets you through.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, while conceding that there is a subjective component to valuing coins, the court held that it did not render the expert testimony unreliable, given the widely accepted valuation and publications and other methods and shit. Instead, the court held that the issues, such as difficulty of pricing coins with such limited supply, were more appropriately explored on cross examination. Aside from contesting liability, Harold sought to limit his damages by arguing. Arguing that Marini should have discovered the fraud earlier than he did.

[John Gabrius]

That's. That's really. That's a great defense.

[Lacey Mosley]

I scammed you for 25 years.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. @ some point, you're not even allowed to be mad at.

[Lacey Mosley]

Me. No, Honestly, I thought you was in on the scam. I thought you wanted to be scammed. I thought that was your.

[John Gabrius]

Kink. That's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cr. Imagine my ties, me fucking your wife and me scamming.

[John Gabrius]

You. Keeping a lie up for 25 years is hard as.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hell. You can't slip.

[John Gabrius]

Once. I know. It's been 37 years of telling people I'm straight and y'.

[Lacey Mosley]

All and your neighbors, so it's not like, you can even go outside and get the.

[John Gabrius]

Paper. Well, it's like, hey, did you notice Harold put in a saltwater pool in the backyard? Where do you think he's getting that money from? It's. It was two days after I gave him.

[Lacey Mosley]

$250,000. Meanwhile, every time I ask him about how our coins are doing on the market, he's like, bad, not good.

[John Gabrius]

Bro. Sorry. Subjective.

[Lacey Mosley]

Taste. We losing so much money, we're.

[John Gabrius]

Going to need another cash.

[Lacey Mosley]

Infusion. But, Harold, why you got a Rolls Royce in your. In your.

[John Gabrius]

Lawn? It'd be mad funny to invest in.

[Lacey Mosley]

Coins.

[John Gabrius]

But. But, like, not special ones. Just like, Yeah, I got $1,000 in quarters in my house. Unstealable. It's too heavy. Big duffel bag full of.

[Lacey Mosley]

Money. Truly, it's beautiful. So I like his argument here. He's like, you should have known. And I think you did, because otherwise you are real dumb. So, in response to. One of Morini's experts testified that at least one of the main auction websites was not publicly available until after 2000, 2008. Well, after Marini had already discovered the fraud. So basically what they were saying was, is like, we didn't even have the option to look at this shit until you've been scamming this guy for.

[John Gabrius]

This fraud didn't exist when you started scamming him. You invented this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fraud. You made this.

[John Gabrius]

Fraud. Yeah. We now have to have rules set in place, thanks to.

[Lacey Mosley]

You. Like, now we have a law in your name. Adamo. The Adamo coin law. Like, bitch, you made this scam up. So how are we supposed to know about this.

[John Gabrius]

Scam? Rococo. Be careful.

[Lacey Mosley]

Buddy. So the couple eventually sued Adamo and forced him into bankruptcy, winning a $20 million judgment. Okay, you won a 20 million dollar judgment, but Harold don't got 20.

[John Gabrius]

Mil. Bad news, brother. It's gonna be in coins. No, no, no. This one's worth 19 million. Trust.

[Lacey Mosley]

Me. Trust me, it.

[John Gabrius]

Is. It's pretty much the whole thing. You'll be.

[Lacey Mosley]

Set. So Harold was 53 when he was arrested in September 2019 and charged with grand larceny and scheme to defy both felonies, as well as misdemeanor counts of issuing bad checks. He did write a lot of bad checks and then stopped texting people people back. His bail was set for $100,000, bond or cash. He was expected in court on Friday. If convicted, he would face up to seven years in.

[John Gabrius]

Prison.

[Lacey Mosley]

Good. I don't know. That feels too.

[John Gabrius]

Long. I don't think so. At this point, like he ruined another dude's entire future. Did he? Probably. If the guy invested, he's not going to get that money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Back. Ooh. There is something that I have to tell you about this scam that actually makes Rococo seem even.

[John Gabrius]

Stupider. Uh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh. So some of this money that he was getting. Getting was from his kids college.

[John Gabrius]

Funds? No, Roko. Who would have thought the guy who takes. That's. This is upsetting now. Now I'm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pissed. I don't know because I feel like if you my dad and. Okay, I know you a neighbor. Good. Have fun with that. You in your 50s, get your on. Great. But I'm trying to go to school and you telling me when I pull up to university you ain't got no coins for me? Like, put them hands up, father. We about to.

[John Gabrius]

Fight. Fist fight your dad outside a pit first.

[Lacey Mosley]

More. As soon as I get to admissions and financial aid and they talk about I need to take out a loan. Hell no. Get the fuck up.

[John Gabrius]

Rococo. I'd be like, the coin your father gave us to send you to college, turns out is only worth.

[Lacey Mosley]

$1,100. Dad, you can't pay for college in.

[John Gabrius]

Coin. Yo, that's fucked.

[Lacey Mosley]

Up. This ain't a barter ship, father. If.

[John Gabrius]

You'Re. Yeah, Rococo's wife better not have been like neighbor cockblind. You gotta step up and be like, hey, I.

[Lacey Mosley]

Think. I think she was dictated dickmatized. Because at no point was she like, bae, like, we probably shouldn't liquidate the kids college.

[John Gabrius]

Funds. No, no, trust me, a few more coins and we're gonna be set off in the right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Direction. But none of these coins are hitting. I was fucking. I mean, I was talking to Harold last night and he said none of the coins is.

[John Gabrius]

Hitting. You know, Harold is putting a hot tub in both his bathrooms in his house. Where do you think he's getting that money.

[Lacey Mosley]

From? I tried it out. The jet pets are good and.

[John Gabrius]

Our kid's going to Nassau Community College. So I hope you're happy. No offense to NC.

[Lacey Mosley]

Squared. Oh, I love that. I love that shortage. So Harold scammed seven customers out of hundreds of thousands of dollars from April 2017 to March.

[John Gabrius]

2019. And the crazy thing is, all of them were named Rococo. There's that many Rococo's out on the.

[Lacey Mosley]

Island. If your name is Rococo, you are Mark. What are we supposed to.

[John Gabrius]

Say? I should got to ask my mom if she's ever met someone named Rococo. That's possibly the.

[Lacey Mosley]

Rococo. It has to be. Now, I want to know, this.

[John Gabrius]

Is recent too, that this all went down. Right? This is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Awesome. So the Marinis have had no luck so far in collecting and obviously that's a shocker. That is the plot twist. They haven't gotten any money. I'm also going to guess that he stopped returning their calls. Now what's crazy here is obviously all this stuff earlier, like the judgment came down in 2014. He was scamming customers at hundreds of thousand dollars. April 2017 through March 2019. So back to.

[John Gabrius]

Crime. He's got to. He's got to pay his.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bail. You know, they say crime doesn't pay this guy, but this guy, he's proving them wrong. So the Marines recently took drastic steps for targeting Hofstra University, Fairfield University, and Brooklyn Law School to try to claw some of their money back, arguing that the total of $246,000 that Harold's kids paid in tuition to the schools came from their father's scheme. So Harold put his kids through.

[John Gabrius]

College. And to put your kid in Hofstra, living on Long island, that's a private university. That is like. And if they put them in a dorm, that's some money wasting shit right there because it's 20 minutes away from anywhere in Nassau.

[Lacey Mosley]

County. So truly what I'm trying to understand is y' all took the money out of Yalls kids college fund. So y' all kids had to watch your. The neighbors kids go to nice colleges on your.

[John Gabrius]

Dime. That's so fucked up and pretty.

[Lacey Mosley]

Baller. So they claim that all this tuition was from ill gotten gains. Okay. And the university's not about to give it back to you. That's not how universities.

[John Gabrius]

Work. Yeah. Brooklyn Law is like, look, we're lawyers and we're. And the cash is in the bank. Bank, dude, it's not coming back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Out. I don't know what you think this is, bro, but we will not be giving you a dime.

[John Gabrius]

Security. I wish I could ask my college for a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Refund. We all do. I didn't even pay tuition. I'm like, give me some. No, I'm kidding. I love the University of Pittsburgh. You guys did so much for me. I'm just, you know, they start calling you immediately too, when you graduate, talking about donate to the alumni association. I'm like, now, you.

[John Gabrius]

Know? Yeah, no shit. I've been alumni for 15.

[Lacey Mosley]

Years. If anybody knows how my coins are set up from fucking with y', all, it's you.

[John Gabrius]

Right? I know. It's like, wouldn't you like to Donate to the school. I'm like, I did when I went.

[Lacey Mosley]

There. Yeah. What are you talking about? Donate for four years, bro. So the Brooklyn Federal court judge sided with Harold, ruling that his children had no legal obligation to return the funds to their father or to give it to the Marinis. Duh. The. I love that the Marinis are now just trying to go after anyone to get their money back. They're at Target. Like, listen, we know that Harold came up in here and he bought a waterbed and three flat screen TVs with our money.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. And here I am. Here are the street value of three flat screen TVs. If you just give me $2,100, I will walk out of.

[Lacey Mosley]

Here. Sorry, this is a.

[John Gabrius]

Target fine. I'll just take two fleece blankets and call it even. Just like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Immediately. So you have to pay for.

[John Gabrius]

Those. Give me your credit card. Rococo. That's a fake name. No, I swear to.

[Lacey Mosley]

God. He goes to. To jail. So the kids could have chosen to take a trip or gone on a shopping spree with Harold's money and it wouldn't have been recovered then either. You can't. That's not how money works. So after the ruling, Harold, the former neighbor and godfather to Marini's children. Oh.

[John Gabrius]

Yeah. Remember, he took. He eliminated college from his own God children's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Future, gloated that the bankruptcy trustee overseeing their case lost that money. Harold, you're rude. Like, you already bilked these people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. You robbed your own God children. You. They got photos of you in their house with you, like, kissing on the.

[John Gabrius]

Children. I was about say, yeah, it's. It's up, cuz. Then Harold would go in his backyard and his wife loudly on a pilot of expensive coins in front of and make Rococo watch the dining.

[Lacey Mosley]

Room. Very.

[John Gabrius]

Painful. Yeah, yeah. It was not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Comfortable. The wife, like, I have many.

[John Gabrius]

Bruises. We can fuck literally anywhere. Does it have to be on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Change? So Joseph Marini said that she. Excuse me, Josephine. Marini, the wife said that she was demoralized by the ruling. Was that what you were demoralized by.

[John Gabrius]

Josephine? You could tell us, Josephine, if you're just mad. Your husband is a fucking idiot. I get you. I'm with.

[Lacey Mosley]

You. So she says. It's my belief that the bankruptcy court has shown little to no desire to. To hold Harold accountable. Damn, sis, that's. I'm so sorry to hear that. So it looks like Harold is still at.

[John Gabrius]

Large. He's not in jail. No, he's just on Long Island. Making it happen. Is he still Roko's neighbor? That's so up if you got to see him every.

[Lacey Mosley]

Morning. I don't think Roco can afford to.

[John Gabrius]

Move. Yeah, well, Rococo's trapped, you know, he's like, hey, I got your mail again, man. And looks like you and your the wife going on a vacation again. I miss our cruises, Harold. I miss our.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cruises. I give it all up to just go on one more Carnival.

[John Gabrius]

Cruise. God damn it, Harold, you had me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Dickmatized. All right guys, it's come to the end of the road. No time to let you go, John. But before you go, I just want to take a moment to praise an honorary charlatan that we call our scammer of the week. So this is Samantha Stevenson, 27, who's charged with pretending to be a witch, fraud and possession of property obtained by crime. She allegedly scammed a man out of.

[John Gabrius]

$600,000. Oh hell.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So as a part of her scheme, Stevenson posed as a psychic under the name Ivana Lopez. That's a good psychic name. Like I vana see the future. You wanna see the.

[John Gabrius]

Future? Oh yeah, that's like that's some fucking usual suspect shit. She got that name off the wall behind the person. What's your name? Threedom.

[Lacey Mosley]

Usa. Makes sense. Adds up to me over time. One of her victims, a 67 year old man, lost. So remember, she's 27, he's 67. Good. 40 years here. Lost more than $600,000 in an evil spirit blessing scam. She allegedly told her victim that in order to ward off evil spirits in his home, he would have to undergo a series of steps, including selling his house, transferring money to her bank, allowing her to burn $6,000 and selling his car. So here's my.

[John Gabrius]

Question. I don't know much about ghosts.

[Lacey Mosley]

But. Samantha. Samantha. So if he wanted to get rid of the evil spirits in his home, he had to sell his house. Okay, well then ain't the spirit, he don't live there no.

[John Gabrius]

More. So it's still not working. I, I, I bet you Samantha's got a fucking good plan. She's probably looking at all her other 20 something friends who were gold digging. Like I don't even have to fuck this 67 year old man. I got him lighting money on fire. I got him selling houses and.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shit. I just told him I was a.

[John Gabrius]

Witch. Una bruja, Ivana.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lopez. Oh my God. I don't even think she's.

[John Gabrius]

Latina. Oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Oh no, she did the old Leslie Khan on.

[John Gabrius]

Us. Gotta get bookable.

[Lacey Mosley]

Baby. It's a deep cut for LA people. Oh, God. So the offense of pretending to practice witchcraft under the criminal code of Canada specifically deals with individuals who fragilely portray themselves as having fortune telling abilities or pretending to use witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment, or conjuration in order to obtain money or valuables from a victim. Police.

[John Gabrius]

Said. Wait, so being a witch is the actual crime? I thought it was just.

[Lacey Mosley]

Something. What is this, Salem? Y' all gonna burn my bitch at the state? This is.

[John Gabrius]

Ridiculous. Sorry, Samantha, we have to throw you in the.

[Lacey Mosley]

River. What? Yes. Put these rocks in your pocket. This is too old timey. Let my bitch go. Every witch is a scammer or a witch we don't know and no one can.

[John Gabrius]

Prove. And it's not up to the court of law to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Determine. It's definitely.

[John Gabrius]

Not. It's up to the dark.

[Lacey Mosley]

Arts. What do you have to do in court to prove you're a witch? I'm like, all right, give me some sage through an eye of.

[John Gabrius]

Newt. I'm determining that some criminals have been in this room before. Yeah, that has a. Okay, you can't argue. You're.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I'm seeing.

[John Gabrius]

Handcuffs. There's a man in a black robe with a tiny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hammer. You can't say she's wrong. So according to a press release, the police were attempting to identify Stevenson for a year. In November 20, 2017, police began to investigate the case as an instance of elder abuse. Also, like, 67 is older, but, like, I don't know if I want to be called elder.

[John Gabrius]

Abuse. Oh, yeah? Well, I got bad news for you. When you're 35, if you're trying to get pregnant after 35, it's called the geriatric hatric.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pregnancy.

[John Gabrius]

What? Yeah, that'll break your.

[Lacey Mosley]

Heart. Oh, my.

[John Gabrius]

God. Get it in by.

[Lacey Mosley]

34. Somebody get in here with them old.

[John Gabrius]

Eggs. Yeah, like, hey, don't say that to my face. All right, hope that cage free. Let's figure out what's going.

[Lacey Mosley]

On. These ain't free range no more. So it's not illegal to practice witchcraft in Canada, which it sounds like it is according to this penal code, either as a part of a religion like Wicca, or as an occult practice. So either you can, like, worship.

[John Gabrius]

You have to use your witch powers for.

[Lacey Mosley]

Good. Yeah, you gotta either be fucking with Satan or you gotta be wicked. However, according to section 635 or 365. Excuse me. Of Canada's criminal code, it is illegally to illegal to fraudulently pretend to exercise any kind of witchcraft for money. So the law has generally been interpreted as a, like a provision against the occult. Like doing fraud to people. The conviction can lead to a $2,000 fine and up to six months in.

[John Gabrius]

Jail. Like, what about psychics and shit? Is that illegal in.

[Lacey Mosley]

Canada? That's what I'm saying. Call me now. Call me.

[John Gabrius]

Now. Dude, if I used to say call me now every time, like every day as a kid. Cuz that commercial was on all night long. All night.

[Lacey Mosley]

Long. It was playing like that. It was in syndication. I'm like, how much did Cleo just make off the commercial itself? Cuz I saw that so many.

[John Gabrius]

Times. Oh hell yeah. I mean the, the commercial itself is just the entry level to the Cleo scam. She must have been printing, and I hope she was printing money, but more likely she was the figurehead of some company that was running the scam. That's the thing that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Breaks. She was like the Popeye chicken lady who's like, I love Louisiana Popeyes chicken. Me a negro, I make all the chicken with my black hands. No white people are involved in this corporation. You're gonna love that chicken from Popeyes. Meanwhile, it's a white people's company. They got that black lady I in her wigs. You know, she wears wigs because she doesn't want to be recognized in real.

[John Gabrius]

Life. Oh, that's smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So basically Samantha had this law applied to her. But what I will say about Samantha is I do appreciate that she went about this in just like a more ingenuitive way. Like, fuck.

[John Gabrius]

It. Yeah, she could scam an old man out of money the old fashioned way by just dangling pussy in front of him. So I appreciate her going the other way and dangling the devil's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pussy. See, also I want to know if the spirits went away. Because the old man didn't say nothing about if the spirits went away. And if they did, honestly, she did her.

[John Gabrius]

Job. I hope Samantha would always setting up like little radios, little MP3 players playing spooky sounds all night and shit. And she's like, another house? You have to be kidding me. Well, let's burn another few thousand dollars and save this.

[Lacey Mosley]

House.

[John Gabrius]

Right? Like she's applying, she's at night haunting him and stuff. And he's getting all.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scared. She's rattling tree branches against his.

[John Gabrius]

Window. Yeah, she's hiring like local kids from the haunted house to keep this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Guy scared so that she's a full time.

[John Gabrius]

Job. Well, it's worth it for 600 grand a year. It's not a bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gig. Samantha, we never see you at brunch. You work such weird.

[John Gabrius]

Hours. Samantha, what do you mean? You work on weekends? We have Pilates found by.

[Lacey Mosley]

Brunch. Samantha, what do you mean? You need my bush again? So Samantha was brought to court on these charges, but no convictions have been handed down yet. So she. Samantha, Shout out to a.

[John Gabrius]

Queen. Samantha, you got this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Girl. I want you to get out of jail and I want you to continue to rid peoples of their.

[John Gabrius]

Homes. Dude, scam me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Samantha, I just want to see the presentation. I want to see you burn $6,000 because that does feel like.

[John Gabrius]

Witchcraft. Oh, that. I mean, you want to see me burn $6,000, take me to a dispensary in.

[Lacey Mosley]

Vegas. That's how. That's how you should burn 6,000. Well, Gabriz, this has been.

[John Gabrius]

Amazing. No, Lacy, this has been amazing for.

[Lacey Mosley]

Me. I'll take myself out of.

[John Gabrius]

It. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Please. Where do you want to be found? That's what I ask people. Don't ask people. Where can people find you? I want to know where you want people to find.

[John Gabrius]

You. I want you to find me on Stitcher Premium, which is my go to destination for podcasts. And there you could check out the Gino Lombardo show, which is currently running. Use promo code Gino if you want a month free. Or I'm assuming if you're in the Earwolf family, you might even have have the Stitcher Premium going. So just pop over to Gina Lombardo show and give it a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen. Pop on over, guys. It's very funny. All right, guys. It is. Gamers is very funny. I know that sounds patronizing, but he's like, so fucking no.

[John Gabrius]

Shit. I'm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Very. I mean, by the end of this, you know that, right? Like, I don't have to tell you that. Anyway, I'll try and give him a compliment, see how he be acting. Guys, you know where you can find us if you want to send us a scam that you've retired? Of course. Don't fuck that bag up. You can send that to [e-mail] if you want to find our show. ScamGodessPod on Instagram, on Twitter. If you to find me honey D I V A L A C I on all platforms, including a vammo. All right, congregation, keep scamming. Choose to show up with the bold styling of the Mazda CX30. I wake.

[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[John Gabrius]

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[John Gabrius]

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