Grifting Graceland w/ Ronald Young Jr.

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary Episode: Grifting Graceland
Guest: Ronald Young Jr.
Release Date: April 8, 2025
Hosts: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) and Ronald Young Jr.
Platform: Earwolf & Scam Goddess TV Show on Freeform and Hulu

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Introduction of the Guest

[02:44] Laci Mosley:
Laci Mosley opens the episode by enthusiastically welcoming Ronald Young Jr., an award-winning podcast host, producer, and storyteller. Ronald is known for his work on Pop Culture Debate Club and Wait for It, and he’s gearing up for season three of his latter podcast. Laci sets the stage for an engaging discussion on fraud and scamming, emphasizing the comedic yet informative nature of the show.

"Today on the pod we have an award-winning podcast host... We're still waiting to see, like, what the impact of that is going to look like..." [03:30]

Personal Experiences with Scams

[03:30 - 06:01] Ronald Young Jr. on Electric Bill Scam:
Ronald shares his personal encounter with a scammer posing as his electric company. After falling a few days behind on his bill, he received a fraudulent call demanding payment through unconventional means due to a supposedly malfunctioning website. Despite the scammer's persistence in altering the owed amount and insisting on payment via phone check, Ronald's skepticism prevented him from falling victim.

“I think a day before, I actually thought to go in and pay it. But in that day, I get a call from the electric company...” [04:04]
“And the alarm bells start ringing in my head. And I'm like, wait, I don't. If the website says this amount, I'm not gonna pay you twice...” [05:37]

[05:58 - 06:42] Discussion on Scam Tactics:
Laci and Ronald discuss the typical tactics scammers use to intimidate victims, such as urgent language, fake stamps, and impersonation of higher authorities like managers. They highlight the absurdity and illogic in these approaches, emphasizing the importance of vigilance.

“They printed it out so it looked like it was stamped... but it's easier for you to print it out. Cause that's cheaper.” [06:30]

Historic Hoodwinks: The Grifting of Graceland

[17:22 - 27:00] Overview of the Graceland Scam:
Laci introduces the segment "Historic Hoodwinks," focusing on a sophisticated scam targeting Graceland, Elvis Presley's iconic estate. Lisa Janine Findley, under various aliases, attempted to seize Graceland by forging loan documents and claiming ownership through fraudulent foreclosure efforts.

“She got a PO Box in a legitimate place that looks like it could be near Graceland... she has these PO Boxes, she's using all these fake names...” [25:34]

Detailed Breakdown:

1. Targeting Graceland:

   • Graceland, established as Elvis Presley's estate and a historic landmark, becomes the focal point of the scam.
   • The scammer, Lisa Janine Findley, applies for multiple PO Boxes under different names to create a semblance of legitimacy.

   “...she applied for a PO Box using the name Lisa Holden. She has also used other names like Lisa Hauer or Lisa Janine Sullins.” [22:16]

2. Forged Documents and Foreclosure Threats:

   • Findley fabricated a false creditors' claim, alleging that Lisa Marie Presley had defaulted on a $4 million loan, using Graceland as collateral.
   • She sent these fraudulent documents to Riley Kehoe, Lisa Marie's attorney, threatening foreclosure.

   “Kurt, AKA Lisa, said Lisa Marie Presley had taken a loan for almost $4 million... and that Graceland was the collateral.” [25:58]

3. Execution of the Scam:

   • Utilizing Tennessee's lenient foreclosure laws, Findley expedited the forced sale process by publicly advertising the foreclosure in local newspapers without judicial oversight.
   • The scam included strategic timing, coinciding with high-profile events and exploiting public interest in Elvis Presley.

   “Foreclosure is very easy to do in Tennessee... the foreclosure sale can now only be stopped by a lawsuit filed by the original family.” [31:01]

4. Detection and Legal Action:

   • Riley Kehoe filed a lawsuit condemning the foreclosure as fraudulent, highlighting forged signatures and nonexistent investment companies.
   • The authorities traced the scam back to Findley, who ultimately faced federal charges including identity theft and mail fraud.

   “In August last year, she was arrested for the scheme and charged with identity theft and mail fraud.” [48:03]

Notable Quotes:

• Ronald Young Jr.: “I'm never gonna call y'all, so don't. Don't worry. Yes, I did forget, and I hope that you would never come back.” [05:39]
• Laci Mosley: “Y'all know when your hair kind of gets, like, greasy and. And you need to wash it...” [14:49] (Note: This quote pertains to an ad and is thus excluded from the main summary.)
• Ronald Young Jr.: “I just own it now. Like, luckily, you're going to take all my debt too, so please enjoy.” [32:27]

Analysis and Historical Comparisons

[27:00 - 45:00] Comparing Modern Scams to Historical Frauds:
Laci and Ronald draw parallels between Findley's scam and historic con artists like George C. Parker, who notoriously sold landmarks like the Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty. They discuss the evolution of scams, noting how digital advancements have provided new avenues for fraud but also underscore the timeless nature of such deceit.

“Title pirates like Fleece follow in the historic footsteps of George C. Parker... he also sold the Statue of Liberty.” [52:33]

Discussion on Title Fraud:

• Title Pirates: Modern scammers target vacant properties, deceased estates, and rental homes by forging documents and manipulating public records to claim ownership.
• Digital Vulnerabilities: The shift to digital real estate transactions has made it easier for scammers to file fake deeds, complicating recovery efforts.

Advice on Protection:

• Vigilance with Public Records: Regularly monitor property records and remain cautious when managing estates or vacant properties.
• Secure Personal Information: Limit the sharing of familial connections and personal details on social media to prevent identity theft and related scams.

Notable Quotes:

• Laci Mosley: “It's a growing trend, but it's not a good idea and it's not a new idea.” [52:33]
• Ronald Young Jr.: “They can spoof the voices now. So it's like, man, like, you stay vigilant out there, y'all.” [56:50]

Broader Implications and Future of Scams

[45:00 - 58:50] The Future Landscape of Fraud:
The hosts discuss the adaptability of scammers in the face of technological advancements like AI and spoofing. They emphasize that as new technologies emerge, so do sophisticated methods of deceit, making it imperative for individuals to stay informed and cautious.

“Anytime we see any investments in technology, you're going to see the exact same scammers latch onto that advancement...” [56:31]

Social and Cultural Impact:

• Inequality and Scamming: The conversation touches on how societal inequities can fuel scams, with scammers targeting both the affluent and the vulnerable.
• Community Vigilance: Encouraging community members to protect one another, especially the elderly and those unfamiliar with digital security measures.

Notable Insights:

• Adaptability of Scammers: Scammers continuously evolve, exploiting new platforms and technologies to execute their schemes.
• Historical Lessons: Learning from past scams can help in identifying and preventing contemporary fraud attempts.

Notable Quotes:

• Laci Mosley: “We don't need the cops. We just need some pitchforks.” [54:49]
• Ronald Young Jr.: “The other part is, like, now I'm also thinking, and again, I don't mean to make this a dark podcast...” [55:14]

Conclusion and Takeaways

[58:50 - 62:55] Final Thoughts and Recommendations:
Laci and Ronald wrap up the episode by reiterating the importance of vigilance against scams, especially those targeting real estate and high-profile estates like Graceland. They advocate for proactive measures, such as monitoring property records and securing personal information, to prevent falling victim to such fraudulent activities.

“Stay vigilant and protect your assets... Pay your bills as a stamp.” [54:30]

Key Takeaways:

• Monitor Property and Estate Records: Regular checks can help identify unauthorized changes or claims.
• Secure Personal Information: Limit the sharing of personal and familial details online to reduce vulnerability.
• Stay Informed: Understanding the evolving tactics of scammers can enhance personal and community-level defenses against fraud.

Notable Quotes:

• Laci Mosley: “We ride at dawn. Let’s Go get him.” [55:14]
• Ronald Young Jr.: “Y'all watch out for your deeds in your home.” [53:37]

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Final Remarks

[62:34 - 62:55]
Laci closes the episode with acknowledgments and final promotions, emphasizing the collaborative effort behind the Scam Goddess podcast and encouraging listeners to stay vigilant and informed.

“Thank you guys for your support. All set for your flight? Yep. I've got everything I need.” [61:13]

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Overall, this episode of Scam Goddess provides an insightful and humorous exploration of a sophisticated real estate scam targeting Graceland, drawing on historical parallels and offering practical advice to listeners. The engaging dialogue between Laci Mosley and Ronald Young Jr. effectively highlights the complexities of modern fraud while maintaining an entertaining tone.

Transcript

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ronald Young Jr.]

That introduction took me back to church where the visiting pastor would have to sit through an introduction of themselves and they have to like hold the straight face. She did that so well. I'm a hog in slop right now. This is amazing.

[Lacy Mosley]

We're like, well, so Mr. Ronald Young Jr. He hails. He currently lives in Washington DC.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

You can't take the church out of the girl, Lacey. Like it's in you. It's in you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I love that.

[Lacy Mosley]

We gotta give you a warm welcome. Okay.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now, Ronald, you know, I have to ask, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love him? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you run any that are past the statute of limitations? And FBNI won't be knocking at your door? It could be anything.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I am not a scammer, so I have never done any scams myself. Now, I have been the victim of a few scams. Only one I feel comfortable sharing. And I will share with you that one. So we all pay bills, you know, you, me, everybody, we all pay bills. And every now and then, you're a little late with a bill, and it's like, you know, one, two days, like, who cares? There's a grace period. No big deal.

[Lacy Mosley]

You forgot about it. They hit you up like, hey, did you forget about this? Bank of America loves. Hey, girl. Did you forget about us? It's like, yes, I never won over a bill, so sure.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I'm never gonna call y'all, so don't. Don't worry. Yes, I did forget, and I hope that you would never come back. No. My electricity. So I've been in a situation where I've not paid my electricity. I've had my lights turned off. Not recently, but, like, if you're in your 20s, like, you know, sometimes you just live in la vida loca and the lights get turned off. It is what it is. But this was one time, you know, I felt like I was on it. I was paying my bills all the time. My electric bill. And I think I was, like, two or three days late. And I realized I was like, oh, snap. I didn't pay my electric bill. And I realized this. And I think a day before, I actually thought to go in and pay it. But in that day, I get a call from the electric company, and they're like, hey, you're late on your bill. And I'm like, oh, I know. I absolutely know. Let me pay y'all right now. Let me pull up the website. And they were like, yo, the website's actually down.

[Lacy Mosley]

What?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, I was like, what do you mean the website's down? I'm looking at it right now. I have it up. It says I owe, like, 70 bucks. I'm about to pay that right now. No big deal. And they're like, well, actually, it'd be easier if you just paid us over the phone via check. And I was like, really? They're like, yeah, because we're having an issue with our website. And what the amount is showing on the website is different from what you actually owe. So they're like, it looks like here you actually owe us. And they've said something like a hundred and something dollars, something like that. And I was like. And I sat there, and the alarm bells start ringing in my head. And I'm like, wait, I don't. If the website says this amount, I'm not gonna pay you twice what the website says. Y'all need to figure that out yourself. But I'm gonna pay through the website, and I'm not gonna mess with y'all. And dude's like, well, you could. And he, like, starts trailing off and then just hangs up on me. Hangs up the phone.

[Lacy Mosley]

He gave up.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. So I'm like, what is going on? I called the electric company. I called them, and they're like. I'm like, hey. So there's this guy that called me. They're like, that's a scam. We don't call. That's a scam. You'll get a letter, and then we turn it off. We're never gonna call you. Don't even worry. And I was like, wow, they almost got me, Lacy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Damn.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

They almost got me, like, very close. If not for, like, the inherent alarm.

[Lacy Mosley]

Bells on the inside, they almost did. And you know what? One, they got lucky that you were a little late on your. Because, like, that happens. But usually if you're one or two days late, like, they're sending that letter in the mail, you know, with the red writing on it, like, over do notice. I don't know who decided that. They were like, you know how we really gonna yell at these bitches? Via mail, Write it in red, and then put a fake stamp around it. So they think that when we sent it out, we were, like, doom. Like, overdue.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

The fake stamp is the funniest part. Like, you printed it out so it looked like it was stamped. You could have just stamped it. But it's easier for you to print it out. Cause that's cheaper. But you still want it to look as intimidating as a st. Which is Exactly.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's so insane. And it's like, really? You're trying to. You can't intimidate people with being male. It's very hard. So I get it. They were like, we need a fake stamp. If we print it in red, they gonna know we really mad. Cause we ink on this. Okay. We went into that cyan.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I'm not cyan.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sign on your ass. Okay? We ain't just in regular black ink, okay?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

We paid the extra for the color printing. All right, Say the game.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay? It's not a game. We coming for your lights. The next thing is, we're going to be cutting you. Okay? And what's also wild about that is this man must, like, just Rolodex call people who are using this specific kind of electricity, which, if you target neighborhoods, there are service providers that typically do all of the electricity for that area. So that if he's just randomly calling and telling people that their bill is late, he gonna hit eventually.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Well, I think so. One, the guy that I talked to was the air quote manager. The person that I was talking to beforehand. It was just like a regular worker. So it was this woman on the phone, and I'm talking, and she's like, well, let me let you talk to my manager about the website. I talked to the manager. The manager's like, yeah. And he had that, like, that air of like, yeah, nah, this is happening. You know, this just is what it is type thing. And I'm just like, all right. But something's not right. But the fact that this scam had a power structure and a hierarchy. I'm like, even in your scam, you still gotta work for somebody. Like, that's wild.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, come on now. You know that there are so many people these days who want to talk to the manager. I've definitely gotten on customer service and wanted to talk to the manager. So they had to have a manager. Otherwise, homegirl talking to you could have been like, well, the website's down. You were like, Ronald's like, let me speak to your manager.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, let me go to anyone else.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me go get him. Arlena. What? Ronald would like to talk to you about the. Okay, I'm coming over. Let me put down my Stanley Cup. And then they have to come over with an accent. Bonjour. This is AT&T.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

No, not the French accent.

[Lacy Mosley]

This is a good setup that they got going on. And if you think about it, if they can nail at least 50 to 100, like, people a day and they're just calling nonstop, there are definitely people who are handing over check information.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Oh, 100%. I mean, they almost got me. And I consider myself to be kind of savvy, but they almost got me. So I'm like, I know they got somebody else who was like, oh, let me just pay this real quick. Thank God y'all called. So I'm like, right and you know how mad you be when the electric company, like, turns off your power and you're like, but I paid y'all, like, what? Oh, my God. I'd be hot, Lacey, hot.

[Lacy Mosley]

I also wonder how they're telling people to make it out. Like, make it out to Ron Ronald Jr.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

They wanted me to use Zell.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. Now that's.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That was set off the alarm bell. So I'm like, no, same normal person is asking me to use Zelle Ain't no copay. And I know I just probably dissed a lot of people in the audience. What'd you say? Yeah. What company is using Zell? What company is actually using Zell?

[Lacy Mosley]

That's like, I go to the hospital, they were like, here's your copay. Yes. Blue Cross, Blue Shield. Can y'all just Venmo. Venmo. Blue Cross. What?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, Venmo. Like, yeah, cool. Wait for that. Venmo. It's coming.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then I go on there and it's like B L U3X shield emoji. And I was like, that can't be Anthem Blue Crossing. Like, yeah.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Our names are scrolling to their other transactions. It's all these weird emojis and stuff that they're doing. You're like, what?

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm scrolling. This says heart operation. Are you Lacy?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

It's just a broken heart and a bandage. And you're like, that's how you paid for your heart surgery, fam.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no. But I could see some elderly people getting got by this. I could see, you know, people who are very busy, have a lot of children, you know, getting got by this because they don't want their electricity turned off if you work from home. Yeah. So I'm glad that they did not get you. I love that they almost got us moment because I feel like that's very black culture. Like, you know, when you see people start running away and you don't ask any questions, you just start running with them. And then wherever you get, then you start asking questions like, what's going on? Everybody's like, I don't know. But they almost got us. We're like, woo.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Well, they did.

[Lacy Mosley]

Almost did.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

And we're safe.

[Lacy Mosley]

We don't care about anything but the safety. I'm not walking in the. In the way of the danger. Like, what's going on here?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I'm certainly not going to be the last one who chose the run. Like, that's the thing. You don't want to be the last one. Like, you want to be. You could be second to last. You don't want to be the last one because that's the one that gets caught. Just in case. I'm just saying.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that's that. Third. Yeah. I'm not going to run immediately, but once I see a good five, six people that don't look like they know each other, then I'm like, okay, let me just jog a little bit.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, that's the thing. At least, like, do. If I've seen, and I've been in a situation where I've seen a couple people start trotting in a direction, and what I'll at least do is back up and start moving in that direction, even if I'm not running. Just so if I could clear out a path, then I could be like, oh, if I have to sprint, I can make this. You know what I mean? But those people that are just watching the crowd go, are you serious?

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen, that's the American way. Okay?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Unfortunately, watching people suffer in danger and not moving, yeah, that's. It's truly the American way.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, man.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

This podcast got dark. I'm sorry.

[Lacy Mosley]

It did. And, you know, my next question was gonna be, Ronald, what is it like living in D.C. right now? Because I have friends who live in D.C. and they're like, the energy is frenetic.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. Luckily, I'm not in the city limits. I'm in Alexandria, so I'm like. Which is 15 minutes south of the city. So, like, we haven't really, like, nothing too, too tough yet. And when I say that, I mean, like, the stuff that they're doing, because this region is so. Like, so many federal workers live and work in the region. Like, my mom worked for the government. My dad is a government adjacent. Like, my sister used to work for the government. I used to work for the government. At some point, everybody in this region has been, like, in the government or next to the government or government contractor or something. So we're still waiting to see, like, what the impact of that is going to look like as they continue to fire people and, like, kind of spread jobs out and do whatever they're doing. So the mood is, I would say, nervous for a lot of folks. I have a friend, I have my two friends. I won't say their names, but I have my two friends. One of them, who is a lawyer for one of the organizations, will say, he's on the hot seat. His wife was telling me the other day, she said, yo, Ronald, they're putting a person in position of power. And then days later, that person's gone. Then they replaced them. Days later, that person's gone, and they replaced them. I'm like, see, that's that. You see that happening at a job you normally know. Yeah. Okay. It's quitting time, you know?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Once it starts moving crazy like that, like. And Elon is known for making sweeping firings and then being like, oh, I actually did not. What? You knew what you did for a living. Can you come back? I wasn't familiar with your game. Yes, we do need lights in here, and we're starting to get bugs. Yeah, come on back. Like, that's not good business decision making. But I was just curious because I think of it from a scam standpoint, too. It was. I'm like, if that job market gets too oversaturated, we might have more creative. The phone calls coming in, talking about them lights gonna be cut off.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I wouldn't be surprised. Like, luckily. I mean, I don't even answer my phone these days. Like, if I. If it's, like, a number and I don't know it, I'm just like, come on. Like, just. And that's the. The worst part about that. It's like, if there's an emergency with family or something, someone's gonna have to text me because I'm not gonna answer a phone call.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

But, yeah, right now, you're right. Like, desperate times, desperate measures.

[Lacy Mosley]

Ronaldo. You get the text. Like, ronald, your house is on fire. Emoji call back. Smoke, smoke, smoke.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

901. I have fire insurance. Send me a picture of the house.

[Lacy Mosley]

Or this still corresponding via text. Yeah, you're not gonna get on the phone.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

You're not gonna get me. Especially after being on this show. Lacey. Like, I'm gonna go. It's gonna. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna scam myself into getting it. I'm gonna be unscammable, which is gonna get me.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ronald Young Jr.]

Let's go.

[Lacy Mosley]

So brazen broad. I haven't heard someone called abroad in a while. Shout out to my researcher, Doyle, let's bring back. Let's bring back broad. He broads.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Let's bring back broads.

[Lacy Mosley]

Let's bring back broads like heer.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. You know, but let's make them gender neutral so we can just like. We're not just talking about women anymore.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, no, it's gotta be everybody.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Anybody can be a broad or a hebody.

[Lacy Mosley]

Can be a broad or a heer.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, okay, great.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So brazen broad. Lisa, Janine, findley tried to steal Graceland from Elvis Presley's family and sell it in a foreclosure auction. Now still in Graceland. That does not upset me.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Why does she look like she did it? Lacey? I'm looking at this picture, I'm like, oh, yeah, she definitely did it.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, she looks guilty as hell in the photo. She like, damn, y'all really got me. Her haircut, though, is giving me, like, maybe she could work in real estate in this part of the U.S. like, yeah. You know, like, yeah, we watched Selling Sunset, but them women look like they're going to the club or like someone's bar mitzvah, you know, every day, but in the Midwest or, you know.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, she's selling Tulsa.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So what even is Graceland? Graceland is the mansion and 13 acre estate in Memphis, Tennessee of Elvis Presley, famously the white inventor of rock and roll music.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Wait, is that. Did you. Did you add that part or is that there? You know, you almost. Again, almost let that slip by. That's perfect. Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

We are white inventor. Okay. Of rock and roll music. Correct. If you know, you know.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes. Yes. Just like Eminem invented rap. Continue.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. And I was so happy when Eminem did that. Before 8 mile, rap did not exist.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Correct.

[Lacy Mosley]

And obviously before Elvis, there was no rock and roll.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Correct.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the estate is a historic landmark. And Elvis is even buried there with his parents, Vernon and Gladys and grandmother Minnie Mae. I don't know. I just don't wanna be buried at my. I don't care how big it is. Don't bury me at the crib.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Why not?

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, I do like to be at home. Would being buried at the crib be chill?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, you'll be all right. You won't be there. Right? Like, it's just your body.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, but if it's sold, then I'm still chilling there and other people playing on me.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Oh, no, that's weird. No. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, not.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

If. Not.

[Lacy Mosley]

What if they install a pool and I'm nearby?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. Nah, I don't want. If I don't have my family or my people, don't have control of my body at wherever I'm buried, then, nah, just throw me in the ocean.

[Lacy Mosley]

Just said if they install a pool, I should go swimming.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, Just. Yeah, go Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

A casket just starts floating in the pool. I mean, listen, I'm trying to live it up even if I'm dead, but.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Getting out of the pool, I'd be like, oh, this is too far for me. I gotta go.

[Lacy Mosley]

It just seemed weird to me. I Just think of, like, how Trump, like, put his ex wife on the golf course. I'm just like. And he was at one point trying to sell golf course plots. Like, you could buy a burial plot at the golf course. Which I was just like, I don't know, so. Graceland is located on Elvis Presley Boulevard in White Haven neighborhood of Memphis. White Haven, which locals call Black Haven, was first organized in the late 1800s as a neighborhood for upper class white families. But after integration in the 1960s, most white families left the neighborhood, and the area is now predominantly black. So they said as black people moved in, they had to pack up. They had to pack up and go.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

White flight, let's go.

[Lacy Mosley]

They were like, where is our white king who created rock and roll?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

They said, nah, now it's, now it's me. He's just Leroy, a bald black guy with a guitar. Just, just. Only bass, though. Not lead.

[Lacy Mosley]

Only bass. Okay. And only certain songs. Now, Elvis purchased Graceland in 1957 for $100,000, the same year he released the songs All Shook Up Blue Christmas. So Elvis died in 1977, leaving Graceland to his family. And the house was open to the public as an Elvis Museum in 1982. More than 650, 000 people buy tickets every year.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

Tickets start at $51. And you get to see in the mansion the gold records, the jeweled jumpsuit, and the classic cars. And there's some interactive exhibits as well for that 51. Graceland has stayed under the ownership of the Presley family since Elvis's death. Or maybe not, according to one lady with a post office box and a dream.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I love this. Oh, wherever this is going, I was owned by them.

[Lacy Mosley]

But this one woman was like, I got a mailbox and I got a dream.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Which means there's no limits to what can happen next with the US Post Office by your sidearm.

[Lacy Mosley]

Let me stop usps, okay? Said you thought so. RIP Lisa Marie. Elvis's only child and heir, Lisa Marie Presley died in 2023 from complications from weight loss surgery at age 54, leaving her daughter Riley Kehoe as Graceland's sole owner. Fifteen days after Lisa Marie's death, Lisa Janine Findley, who is also 54, applied for a PO Box using the name Lisa Holden. She has also used other names like Lisa Hauer or Lisa Janine Sullins. And just to switch it up, Caroline Williams.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

You know what energy this picture is giving me real quick? Just like real quick, this energy is giving me. I can't remember her name, but the villain And Selena.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, Yolanda Saldivar.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. It looks like this picture's giving me that energy. They gonna be waiting for her when she gets out. I don't like it. Yeah, there she go.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, I'm happy. They're gonna be waiting for her. Come outside. Yolanda. We definitely finna jump you.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

If you put on the Selena movie right now. I'll get fired up again.

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen. Every time I see it, listen. I'm always mad about it. I'm always mad about it. So, Yolanda, whenever they catch you, we gonna have to catch you. You know that?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, we coming.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm from Texas.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

The black community, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

The black community does not play about Selena. They don't play about Steve Irwin's children.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Nah, those are ours.

[Lacy Mosley]

Don't play about them. Those are ours, too.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Those are ours.

[Lacy Mosley]

We don't play about them.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I saw one of them playing with some animals. I didn't like that, though. I was like, I don't want you following your father's footsteps. Do something else.

[Lacy Mosley]

See, I want them to be happy, Bendy. I want to be.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I want them to be happy, too. But, like, don't put. You saw, like, I don't know if you saw there was a video going around of one of them messing with a. But 30 years. I'm sorry. I just. 30 years is a long time for anyone to serve. But no, I saw one of them messing with a crocodile or something. I'm just like, look, like father, like son. But I want you to live, and he wants you to live. So, like, just be careful. Careful.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's all. That's all we're saying. Yeah. Yolanda, 30 years is not enough. We still mad. So we just looked at bootleg Yolanda Saldivar over here, who has registered a PO Box under the name Lisa Holden. And she's used other pseudonyms, like Lisa Howell or Lisa Janine Sullins. Those I understand. Because it's like, at the end of the day, people are going to call you by your first name. So if you're using a fake name, your first name should be either something you can remember very well or your real name. That way.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

If somebody's like, Lisa, you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's me. That's me. But if I switch it up to Carolyn at the end, they're like, carolyn, Carolyn. I'm like, oh, yeah, right. That's me as well. Okay. Me, Carolyn. So six months later, Lisa, Janine. And this is Carolyn. You know, all the other Lisa's. Lisa. Lisa. Lisa. So I'M just gonna say Lisa. Lisa. Lisa. When is we're talking about the scammer? So six months later, Lisa Lisa created a false creditors claim and mailed it to Riley's attorneys from the P.O. box. Lisa Janine claimed to be someone named Kurt Nauseny. Okay. That's another name we're adding. Lisa. Lisa. So Lisa Lisa sent this mail through Lisa Lisa's P.O. box that she made under somebody else fake name.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. I'm tracking so far.

[Lacy Mosley]

Six months later, Lisa Lisa. Lisa created a false creditors claim and mailed it to Riley's attorneys from the P.O. box. Lisa Janine claimed to be someone else's named Kurt Nassic. Now, Kurt Nasany is supposed to be the chief lending officer for a fictitious company called N Investments. This is all Lisa talking, but she's talking as Kurt right now.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Kurt, AKA Lisa, said Lisa Marie Presley had taken a loan for almost $4 million from the Nasany Investment Group before her death and had put up the deed to Graceland as collateral. So for those of you who are trying to follow because there's too many damn leases in there, this.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

We got scammer Lisa.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

She got a PO Box in a legitimate place that looks like it could be near Graceland.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Then scammer Lisa makes up a fake name for a fake investment company. Kurt N. Yes. Then scammer Lisa.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now acts as Kurt to send a letter to Lisa Marie Presley, real Lisa Elvis Presley, saying that before Lisa Marie Presley died, she had taken away out $4 million in an investment loan from Fake Kurt, aka Fake Lisa.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Are we there?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I get it. And then. And now she's. But she's saying that the collateral was Graceland as the estate.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

So I see what's happening.

[Lacy Mosley]

She's saying, I didn't get the money back. Me, Mr. Kurt. And the Graceland house was collateral. So now it's my house.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Lisa Marie had defaulted on the loan from Kurt and was going to foreclose on the property if Riley's attorney didn't respond within 10 days. So basically now fake Lisa is telling real Lisa, hey, girl. Either file foreclosure, give me my coins back, or I'm gonna take your home.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Wait, Fake Lisa is telling that to Riley?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. She's telling that to real Lisa's estate. Because real Lisa is dead.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes. Got it. Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

God, there were so many Lisa's.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, too many.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm just going to call Lisa Kurt. From now on, y'all just remember that.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, we call her FLISA because she's.

[Lacy Mosley]

Trying somebody let's call her flisa because this is killing me. I'm so sorry if y'all have a headache, cuz Felisa over here doing too much. So days later, Real Lisa Marie's business manager received a package with a similar document. Later in 2023, Lisa Janine applied for another PO Box and MA documents to the Shelby county registrar sent from a new llc, which basically what she did is she has these PO Boxes, she's using all these fake names, contacting the actual estate of now dead Lisa Marie Presley, saying that Lisa Marie Presley, when she was living, owed money to them and she had used her house for collateral. So now fleece is reaching out to all the estates and all the people that deal with Real Lisa Marie who was dead.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Saying like, okay, y'all gotta run me my coins or y'all gotta run me the house.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

All right, so maybe this is why this was working a little bit, because they got me confused. I'm like, okay, well we do have to figure out the estate.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Well, let me debit the account real quick if that's the case.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ronald Young Jr.]

Wait, how does it. Like what, what makes it easier in Tennessee than anywhere else?

[Lacy Mosley]

The process of a forced sale property due to the non payment of a loan is just easier to facilitate. So, like, the lender will sell the property to recover the loss of the funds due to the owner not paying the balance of the loan, which is what a foreclosure is. But Tennessee is a deed of trust state, meaning that in the event that someone defaults on a loan, the lender is required to publicly notice a public sale of the property. And it's like a non judicial sale, so the judge doesn't even have to get involved. And it can be done without going through any court. So you don't have to get a judge involved. You don't have to go to court. Like, you can just be like, they didn't pay me back and I want their home yesterday.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

It seems like there should at least be some obstacles to making this happen. Like something should have to be proven or I need a receipt or something before it's just like, yeah, yeah, no, just go ahead and get that house. Go get that house real quick.

[Lacy Mosley]

Do you have any property, Ronald, in Memphis? Cause I feel like you owe me some money and I might have to go down there.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. Incidentally, I own this little place. It's called Graceland. You should because no one told you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Doing Scam Goddess podcast is you investing with us. Because I'm gonna need to recoup those losses. I'm gonna need your help.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Not the tacit agreement of being on the podcast.

[Lacy Mosley]

Means I ow yes, 4 million to be exact.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That would be a credible scam if.

[Lacy Mosley]

Scam did not read the contract you signed.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

What contract? No one sent me anything.

[Lacy Mosley]

Jesse. I sent him the contract before we started. Now y'all messing up. You definitely owe me lots of money.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

What a great way to scam. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna come to join this podcast. I was like, not, you owe me money. Thanks. Thanks for the money you owe me. Be.

[Lacy Mosley]

Nobody ever reads those NDAs or those, like waivers. They don't really read them. So I could have thrown in an investment in there and you wouldn't have known and we would have had a witness to you signing it.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I just own it now. Like, luckily, you're going to take all my debt too, so please enjoy.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, that's actually left out in the contract. Like you. You keep that.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

So you want all of my assets and none of my debt?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Yes.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That's incredible. That's an incredible contract.

[Lacy Mosley]

I learned this in Tennessee.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

It's.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's working really great for me. So as long as lender issues a notice advertising the public sale for three consecutive weeks in a newspaper of local circulation, the foreclosure. The foreclosure sale can now only be stopped by a lawsuit filed by the original family. And remember that Lisa Marie Presley has a daughter, Riley Kehoe.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So she's the only person who can stop the sale. And they only have to advertise the sale. And it says in like local circulation. So if they are going into the Memphis Penny Saver and being like, Elvis house on sale. Unless like a national publication picks it up. If you weren't worried about someone trying to take your house from you, you may not even have known.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

No. And what if they're making up the newspaper that's a local newspaper? Like, what if they're making it like an elementary school newsletter or something? You know what I mean? Where it's just like. Yep, it was in the paper. It was there three. It was in the middle.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was in Memphis Middle. Right next to the bake sale.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. You didn't see it. Everybody knew. We didn't have that many. We ran out of copies.

[Lacy Mosley]

Everybody knew. The head of the journalism program at.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Memphis Middle, we give them to every kid to take home to their parents. It's really the kid's fault, honestly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. We told them, put them in your backpack.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And from there, what are we supposed to do?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That's not us. Like, they gotta get it done.

[Lacy Mosley]

So obviously Lisa Marie Presley's estate is going to file a lawsuit. In a 60 page lawsuit, Lisa Marie daughter Riley condemned the foreclosure sale as fraud. The purported note and deed of trust are products of fraud. And those individuals were involved in the creation of such documents and are believed to be guilty of the crime of forgery. So Florida made up all them different names. Lisa was emailing everybody. Or not emailing, but she was messaging. I don't know how to say send mail anymore.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Mailing.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sorry. That one moment where I was trying to clarify what was going on really took my brain out. And I was like, she was texting through the mail.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, she was physical inboxing, like physical inboxing, you know, like 3D inboxing. I think that's what we call it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, 3D inbox.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That's how, you know language has moved beyond the Post office. If now we're like, how do you physically give something to someone and just be like, yeah, you send it via Amazon. Be like, yeah, you send it via Amazon. That's how you send something to someone.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. That's not it. The mail. Right. I'm gonna put some respect on the usps. Okay. I'm so sorry. Cause I really. I'm not familiar with your game anymore.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

With your game, yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the lawsuit also included documentation of the alleged loan to her late mother, as well as the deed of trust. Riley's legal counsel claimed that Presley's signature was forged on those documents and that the notary who supposedly witnessed Presley sign the deed had actually never met her. So the notary was like, I don't know her. Never met her.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it makes sense. Like, and they have a ledger, too. Like, in their notary. They, like, like, notaries have to keep a ledger that they fill out when a person, like, does it. And so I imagine that wasn't in the ledger, which is probably something that stopped Flisa that Felisa didn't think about in terms of creating the scam.

[Lacy Mosley]

I also think Felisa was just hoping to move fast and do the local newspapers. Three weeks time, she's got the house. And the only issue with that is that people in Memphis are obsessed with Elvis. So that was going, like. You still see him on. On magazine rags to this day, like, the real truth behind Elvis's death or was Elvis gay? Or whatever the case may be, that still happens to Drameda Ramsey, so. And Princess Diana. So it's like, they won't let these people rest. You really thought that you were going to put this in any paper?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. Anybody that's like, Prince, Tupac, anybody that people were obsessed with and feel like are gone too soon, you can start a rumor about right now, and people are going to be paying attention to things that happen to them, their state, all of them, just randomly. That Prince documentary that basically just got canceled because Princess Estate didn't like.

[Lacy Mosley]

No.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

They're like, nah, you're not gonna be releasing this stuff out there. And I'm like, that's a good estate. Because that's not what happened with Michael Jackson's estate when that documentary came out after he died.

[Lacy Mosley]

So that estate was a hot mess. But it's like another good estate I always think of is, like, Al Green's estate. Like, you better not put four notes together that sound like any Al Green song. You are going to court.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

We're already looking at you like, now, like, Whitney Houston has a pretty good estate, too. I don't feel like you see her stuff all flying all around.

[Lacy Mosley]

That hologr. Hologram stuff was bizarre.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Okay, I didn't like that. No, but then, I mean, yeah, Tupac. So. So are we establishing that if your state allows a hologram to happen, you have a bad estate? Because.

[Lacy Mosley]

Tupac.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I agree. I agree.

[Lacy Mosley]

Let me rest.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, if we pass, y'all out here making digital AI voices of Lacy and Ronald, all that, like, nah, we got bad estates.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I don't want to see my late, you know, family members dancing at Coachella. That feels wrong. Feels bad and wrong.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Not at all. Not at all.

[Lacy Mosley]

But. But you're right. Like, this is. They. They were on their P's and Q's about this. So they're claiming that FLISA had made all these fake, you know, signatures and that none of this was real. At the time, the Office of Public affairs claimed that Fleece posed as three different individuals, which we know she did. Fleece made me so tired. It was so many people. And all of these individuals were allegedly affiliated with the fictitious private lender, which is also fake. Elvis's wife, Priscilla Presley, is still alive. And to the response to the foreclosure sale on Instagram. I know that's right. She got on Instagram and was. It's a scam.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes. Yo, and you know what? Like, shame on. Shame on Flor for making Priscilla have to do that. Like, could you imagine, like, Priscilla who's, like, been through this, like, life and lost a lot of people that she's loved, like, big public figures, and now you got. You got me having to, like, come out on social media to tell y'all bamas that of course this thing is not for. Stop it. Like, why are you making me do this?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? And why are you making me make graphics? Like, this thing has a. Like, it's an all red, just like the electric bill. Like, she's like, yes, there's a stamp.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

There's a stamp there.

[Lacy Mosley]

She stamped the stamp.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Pay your bill as a stamp.

[Lacy Mosley]

And that's how I know she is the one who did it. Like, this ain't the PR team. She was like, let me get on this. It looks like it might be a vent.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, I think it is, but she.

[Lacy Mosley]

Put the tea out there. I don't know if we can click it. Oh, yes, the video. Wait, not the video. It's just like, oh, no, it's got an animation.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

She did this in. She did this in Microsoft Word. That's Word art. That's word art.

[Lacy Mosley]

It also has this Ken Burns push in happening to this photo, and then the writing does a little flip.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. The only thing that would make this better is if it did the Ken Burns push in and then the house turned black and white, and then the font did a flip. Like, not me. Editing. Editing this way.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's too much of our older. That's a little too much.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

She could have done it. Priscilla, if you out here doing this, just go ahead and add that one little extra flourish. That's all we asking.

[Lacy Mosley]

That really would have drove it home. But you tried. You tried to get it out there, but that's hilarious. So Memphis judge Chancellor Joday Jenkins ruled that the foreclosure Oxdyn could not proceed. I knew he was gonna be black when I saw Jode.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That's not happening. Yeah. You said Joe Jenkins. I'm like, he's either gonna be very white or very black.

[Lacy Mosley]

No in between.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

No in between. No in between.

[Lacy Mosley]

So there's a chance that a Nigerian prince or multiple princes could be involved. It's difficult to find any public records that prove that Nasani Investments ever exist. Listed phone numbers listed in court documents for the company are not in service. Addresses listed by the company are those of post offices. Because, remember, she was doing this through that P.O. box. She thought she was so slick with that.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. Pony Express.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, don't get us involved now. We say, y'all know I beat that over y'all head. Don't do crime through mail. Okay. No, they love to get you on some mail fraud, easy paper trail.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

And you're going to FBI jail. You're going to federal prison for this. That. Sheesh.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you making it too easy on them. I don't know. Hand deliver them. Do something.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, do, like, just hand work for it. I don't know.

[Lacy Mosley]

Email it Emails worse, too, then the IP addresses. I'm like, you got to physically do crime these days. Drive to where they are, put it in their mail slot with a ski mask on, walk away like, no, they'll.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Catch you on the cameras. Here's what you got to do. All right? You got to take it, and then you got to get a free to come pick it up. And then you have to get them to hand it to another friend who then puts it into a Dropbox. I'm describing drugs now. Put it into a Dropbox, and then a person can go pick up their item from there. That's like three people removed from you. It's hard to trace that back you gotta get a bunch of people to snitch in that case.

[Lacy Mosley]

Especially if you can get a random person to do the final handoff.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you don't give them your real name.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

No. You get like somebody off of Craigslist or somebody, hey, come pick this up and drop it off. It's 20.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you know what? If you really want to add some sasson, you go up to the melon thing in a very low hat and a mask and you come on crutches. And so then you just get a random person. You like, hey, I'm on crutches. Would you mind, like, sliding this in for me? And then you crunch away real fast.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yep, yep, yep. Almost like your regular walking, but it's on crutches.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. They notice that you're not actually on crutches, are you?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Good. Be like, yeah, nah, I broke my acl. Cr.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, my thyroid bone is bad.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That thyroid bone? Yeah, that thyroid bone. Just.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you so much, Good Samaritan.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, I appreciate that.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then I start running with the crutches.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

You just hold them up while you run.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's too late. They've already put it in the box. Okay. We can't go back. It's good.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

It's your crime now, not mine. You've inherited it.

[Lacy Mosley]

So these Nigerian princes, basically, after the auction was publicized, media outlets including the New York Times, sent requests for comment to the email addresses listed and Nasany investment documents filed by like with the Shelby court. In response, they got an email written in Luganda, a Bantu language spoken in Uganda. The author claimed to be a Nigerian scammer, taking credit for the forged documents and attempted sale.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Fleesa.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now, why would you. Okay, why do you have to come out and call yourself a Nigerian scammer? There's already such a stigma there. Omo Niger. You didn't even have to give these people any information.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

No, the other thing is, like, you tell me after all this work, you gonna be like, a black guy did it. Like, come on, man. Like, why you always gotta. We just over here chilling, trying to dance, hanging out, like, and season our chicken. Well. And you over here throwing it on us. Like, what did we do?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, they had already figured out the case. They caught Khaleesa and they were like, wait, but what if a black guy did it? Just keep investigating.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

It turns out it was this black guy. Like, come on, man. No, stop.

[Lacy Mosley]

And that's why they didn't invent rock and roll. They were too busy running scams.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

They're too busy running these Scams. Trying to steal Graceland from us, the true inventors of rock and roll.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the writer described the Nigerian scammer. He described the foreclosure effort not as a legitimate attempt to collect on debt, but as a scam. Duh. The person who wrote the email said that they steal the identities of deceased people, especially in California and Florida. And they said in quotes, I had fun figuring this one out. And it didn't succeed very well. Why do you want to be caught? Why are you telling people? He's like, I do this all the time. California, Florida, Memphis.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I don't know why you remind. Talking about that immediately reminded me of the monopoly. The monopoly scam. So you know what I'm talking about. The McDonald monopoly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Jerome Jenkins.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Where I was just like, wait, what? Like, why are y'all? And again, fraud through the. It's like, don't do this through the mail. This is the wrong thing to do. Like, don't do this.

[Lacy Mosley]

And he roped into too many people. It was too many people who could snitch. There was a family of Mormons. The mob was involved. He did too much. He did way too much. A nice little black church lady.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, I would be more on his side if the people that he gave the winning tickets to got to receive some of the money. He was also stealing that from them. And once the mob got involved, it was like people had just risked their freedom for no coin. Cause he was taking it up. They were just like piece mules. So I was like, this is messed up. And also, Jerome Jenkins, white.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I thought he was very white or very black.

[Lacy Mosley]

And we just saw that in that case in point, very white or very.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Black, like, that is a very white man.

[Lacy Mosley]

I just don't understand why he's continuing to tell people that he does crime. Like, just let it go.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the Bantu language used in the two emails to the Times, the New York Times was, like, clunky in spots. According to the translator who reviewed the email, while the English of the court document company has been pretty fluent, so it almost feels like this person ran English through a Ugandan translator, as many scammers do in English. And so it was chunky and probably riddled with typos. Now, Fleesa was arrested for the scheme in August last year and charged with identity theft and mail fraud. I'm kind of wondering if Flee was like, let me say these Nigerians did it, and I'm gonna run it through this Google Translate, and then this will get me off the hook. Cause I'll be like, the black people did it. The black people.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. It's also funny that it's like the person who solved the case was like. It's almost as like they were fluent in English and just ran it through Google Translate. And then they like, pointedly look at the detective like, yeah, I can't say that definitively, but. And the detective's like, what are you saying? What do you mean? Who could this have been?

[Lacy Mosley]

It's Fleesa, dammit.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, it's Fleea.

[Lacy Mosley]

Fleesa was doing one Hail Mary. She was like, let me blame this on the Nigerians. And then be like, I am just a white woman being white and living right. That's all I do.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. And these Nigerians, like, why'd you say it once? You Meghurian, why'd you say it like that? We don't like that. Stop it.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're getting too close. These shady Nigerians.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

These shady Nigerians, like, hold up. What was that? Felisa. Say that again.

[Lacy Mosley]

Tried to frame me.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

She added an extra G in Nigerian, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

You did you say it with a hard G?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. You said with a hard G. I don't like that. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So on February 25, Fla pled guilty to federal charges accusing her of plotting to defraud Elvis's family. She's set to be sentenced on June 18, and if convicted, Fla could face up to 20 years in prison. But under the plea deal, she'll likely, like, face less time. You got to plea out, girl. Because you didn't. You said too much.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, wait, she could face up to life.

[Lacy Mosley]

You said 20 years, but she's going to plead out.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

That's too long. Like, I feel like this is. This is a year, max. Like, this isn't. I don't care that much about this. And this person isn't dangerous.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, technically, it's kind of complicated, though. I don't know if a year I would come out and be like, yeah, I'll stop doing real estate fraud, but maybe like, fit five to eight, then I would, you know, want to be a good person.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

I mean, could we, like three years. You wouldn't want to be a good person.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's federal prison. Is it nice in there? Yes. Federal prison is not fine, Stewart.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, nah, nah. She was. And she was in light. She was in old light. Minimum security federal prison. Like, this person's not going to no minimum security prison.

[Lacy Mosley]

You don't think?

[Ronald Young Jr.]

You think so?

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, she didn't do a violent crime and she didn't get away with it.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

All I know is Martha Stewart came and throve.

[Lacy Mosley]

She did. But this lady, she look like she about to be in one of them Orange is the New Black type situation.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Or she's about to murder a pop singer. I'm telling you, very strong Yolanda energy here.

[Lacy Mosley]

She really does have a lot of Yolanda South Dbar energy. It's like her eyes are vacant. She doesn't look like she cares about whether people live or die. That's not my.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

One thing, though, is that you threw some glasses on her and, like, a chunky necklace, maybe some makeup and a dress. You're right. She is selling really estate in Tulsa. Easily, like, tomorrow, Right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, a chunky necklace would really sell it.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you're right. Glasses. So you can't see the evil in her eyes.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. All of a sudden you're like, oh, I like your glasses, Fla. You look great.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. She's like, oh, thanks. My grandchildren got them for me for Christmas. Now more on Go again.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

You ain't got no grandchildren.

[Lacy Mosley]

Flisa has to come up with a life where she doesn't seem as bad. But this is a trend that is starting to happen now. Faking property ownership to make a quick buck is illegal. Like, but it's happening more and more in real estate. Scammers who hijack property ownership are called title pirates. And it's easier to do it because real estate transactions shift to digital platforms. Right. So vacant land, second homes, rental properties, or any home where the owner isn't actively present and has been the prime target target for the pirates. Like, so as soon as they realize, like, you have a vacant home, a rental home, perhaps someone has passed away, they know that no one's physically present. That's when the scammers strike. Scammers get information from public records, fake some signatures, pay off a sketchy notary. See, I guess that notary that Flisa had was not sketchy enough. And so they were like, you gotta.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Get the notary involved. You can't have them, like, not know that they're supposed to be covering for you.

[Lacy Mosley]

They gotta get a. I mean, yeah, yeah. And so you do all of that, and boom, they've bought your house or your land on paper. Unfortunately, once that fake deed gets filed, it can appear like the real estate deal is legitimate to banks, title officers, buyers, and real estate agents. The like will all believe it once the title is or once the deed gets filed. So then it makes it harder to be like, this is my house. Because we're like, we looking at this Deed and we got this notice lottery Felisa. Felisa says she notified she was there when you signed this. So in 2023, the FBI received about 900,000 complaints of real estate related crime. And of these, more than 9,500 worth. Title fraud. Selling a property you don't own, even in a national landmark may be a growing trend, but it's not a good idea and it's not a new idea. Title pirates like Fleece follow in the historic footsteps of George c. Parker, a 1900s era con man who would repeatedly sell New York landmarks like the Brooklyn Bridge, Madison Square Garden, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Grant's tomb, and he also sold the Statue of Liberty.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

All right, I just want to note he sold no black landmarks. So as far as I'm concerned, he can go with God, like continue to enact these scams. Because if you're buying the Brooklyn Bridge Bridge, like, you have to know this guy does not own it. There's. Come on, man, who buys the Brooklyn Bridge? Lacey, who buying the Brooklyn Bridge?

[Lacy Mosley]

It's something about your personality if you want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge, that you are the more suspect person in this. Yeah.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

A fool and his money are soon partaking. That means you got too much money and you definitely not watching it. If you're like, if you thought the Brooklyn Bridge was available for sale, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you were just going to go to parties and brag about about it, yeah, I own the Brooklyn Bridge. No, you don't.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

No, you don't. Rod, stop. No. Jerome Jenkins, stop.

[Lacy Mosley]

They can't stop. They won't stop. Y'all watch out for your deeds in your home. And if someone passes away in the family, get the families in order quickly because there's people waiting around looking at public records just trying to figure out. Just like they were looking through phone records to figure out who they could call and be like, hey, you need to pay your bill right now via Zell. Otherwise we turning off your lights.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. Like, they were like, okay, first of all, I just wanna point out something about this picture. Just like Lisa, this man looks like a man who's like, step right up. Say, Brooklyn Bridge hair for sale. I've got another one for you. Say, like, he looks very much like that guy. So I could see him doing that. But yeah, the second thing is, like, I'm almost looking at the people doing this, and it's hard for me, especially if they're selling public properties where it's just like, hey, if you think the Brooklyn Bridge was for sale, you're an idiot like that. There's no way in the world that should be something that you're think but private property. That's where I start to get, like, now hold up, man. Like, now you taking people's like, homes and like that. You're just straight stealing from, like, one of us. Like, you know what I mean? I don't like that. That feels, like, totally different.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, one is definitely goofier.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes, exactly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like him being like, spray it up. Buy the Statue of Liberty. She's all yours.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes. That feels fun. Like a fun scam. Like, if I found out, like, even if it was my second home, I don't care if I found out. Somebody, like, snatched it out from under. Maybe I'm trying to will it to my kids or build generational wealth or something like that. Lacy, we ride at dawn. Like, we going to get these guys. Are you kidding? Where are they at? No, we don't need the cops. We don't need the cops.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no. We'll handle this. We'll vigilante this one. We don't need the cops, okay? We just need some pitchforks. Somebody want us rolling hot door hot dog carts so we can stay full and replenished while we're marching. Yeah, we got it. No, I absolutely agree, but people are doing this, so you have to pay very attention, like, a lot of attention to your titles. And also look out for your grandparents. Look out for anybody who own that may not own it any longer.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Cause, yeah, yeah, now's the time. Sheesh. The other part is, like, now I'm also thinking, and again, I don't mean to make this a dark podcast, but I'm, like, thinking in, like, a time where things are worse than ever before and, like, they're revoking green cards and, you know, like, disappearing people and whatnot. I just don't put it past nobody to, like, just start snatching property. Cause this happened to black folks all the time back in, like, like pre civil rights era. Like, oh, I own this house. No, you don't. We own this house now. You know what I mean? Get on out of here. Or you thought you were in a neighborhood and they're running you out of the neighborhood and not giving you your money back and selling the house again to a nice white family. The roots of this. I'm sorry, Like I said, I know this is a comedy podcast, but I'm like, I don't want this happening right now in Trump's America. Let's get him. We ride it, Don. Let's Go get him.

[Lacy Mosley]

We might have to put the alarm clock on for Don. Not a specific time, just Don. Yeah. Because this is something. Something that's running way more rampant than it was before. But the thing about scammers is they're always reinventing themselves. Like, anytime something new changes. Like, even with AI, anytime we see any investments in technology, you're going to see the exact same scammers latch onto that advancement and find a little window where they can crawl in and steal. And they do it.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yes. Exploit, steal, blackmail, extort. Any way they can do it. Especially if you. If you upgrade the tools. The scammers coming. Like when we start when we went from phone calls to text, they came to text. You know what I mean? So I'm like, you just mentioned AI. I'm like, oh, yeah, of course they're going to be start scamming via AI. Which means now when you send texts.

[Lacy Mosley]

They'Re like, click this link. We're from your company or your email. So, like sending you a PayPal invoice. And they're like, if this is not you, call and give us all of your information so it can be you. Like.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Lacy. The other thing is too, is, like, now it's like they're spoofing the phone calls now. They can spoof the voices now. So it's like, man, like, you stay vigilant out there, y'all.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, what? That's why I always say y'all. Say it again. Make sure that you don't have any familial connections on any of your pages. And don't nobody need to know who your grandmother is on Facebook or your cousins. Nobody needs to know that information on Instagram. They don't need to know anywhere because a lot of times people are using that and now they got multiple levels of the scam. We recently did a scam where this woman thought she was dating Brad Pitt, but it started with Brad Pitt's mom, a fake account DMing her saying, I think you'd be lovely for my son. And then fake bad pit came in afterwards and was like, hey, my mom just told me about you. And just like in your phone scam or your electricity scam, in the beginning, like, you talk to a woman and then you ask for a manager, and they had a manager scammer right there.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Ready to go? Yeah, yeah. I think it's. I. I think it's also like when there's such inequity. And again, I. I'm getting real. I'm getting real. Ken Burns. Documentary on you now. But like there's, there's such inequity in this. Like that's what breeds these types of scams where it's like people trying to get what they can off of people that they think are big fish, especially when it comes to the Americans. But it's like even those of us that are getting scammed cause like that are down here like at the middle class or lower class, we're the ones still getting those phone calls and giving you what little we have because we think we're in danger and there's like maybe somebody on the other side of that phone that's like haha. Got em. And I'm like no, you just created more inequity actually amongst the person who probably needed that money. You know what I mean?

[Lacy Mosley]

So it's like yeah.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Oh man.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I always punch, we like to punch up here. I'm like if you want to rob some CEO billionaire who you know, stole a bunch of money and ruined a bunch of people's lives, like yeah, go ahead and run his pockets. But if it's people like you said like day to day, we're just trying to make it by. I don't see those as people that should be targets. And I think you should feel really gross about yourself if that's what you're doing. I will say trying to steal Elvis Presley house, that don't upset me that much.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Do it. Do what you got to do. Like I'm glad, I'm glad Priscilla stopped it all that. Like I appreciate that. But again, between stealing Evans pressing house and old like step right up, say that guy. Oh yeah, no that's fine. Do that all day. I don't care about you. If people are willing to buy to purchase the Brooklyn Bridge from you and you come up off that bro, go for it. Roll that money into a IRA and you know what I mean, Go buy a diamond mine and I don't know, buy the country man. Go for it. Live your dreams.

[Lacy Mosley]

Confirm once you give them the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge, do you have to come with a plaque? And I'm like, why are you hammering that on? I was, oh, so people know it's yours. I'm just hammering this on so people know it's yours.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah. And then you leave town immediately.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh well thank you so much Ronald for being here. This was a lovely time and thank you for helping me break down what got very convoluted with Felisa for a moment we got there, I was like, oh my God, a Headache is coming. Thank you for staying strong. Okay. I know you have a great education. I can tell you were a voracious reader, and this was a lot of fun. Intellectual.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

This was a lot of fun. Thank you so much for having me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you for being here. We always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to promote, you know, any socials, all of that.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Find me on Instagram and threads. H I, T, S, B I G, R, O, N. That's O. It's Bigron. You could find me there. And honestly, you could also find me on Bluesky and on that other platform that we don't really go on anymore that used to be called Twitter, but it's called something else.

[Lacy Mosley]

I call it what it mama called it. Twitter.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

Yeah, it's Twitter. Yeah, exactly. But you find me on all the platforms. It's Big Ron. And of course, you could follow any of my podcasts, Pop culture, debate club, leaving the theater. Wait for it. Wherever you listen to podcasts, even where you're listening to this one right now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, I love that. And as always, y'all, D I V A L A C I D valacy on all platforms. If you want to see the photos from today, Scam Goddess pod, just maybe sage your screening device so that Lisa doesn't jump in and steal your soul, because that's okay.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

She'll try to sell your soul literally.

[Lacy Mosley]

If you want to write in and stitch on your friends, family, and your enemies, scamgodesspodmail.com and scam goddess, the television show is out now on Hulu and going Dutch. The show I did with Dennis Leary on Fox is also out on Hulu and airs on Thursdays on Fox. Oh, yeah, my book. You can buy Scam Goddess anywhere. And thank you guys for your support. All right, that was a lot to plug. I can't breathe no more. So, congregation, I want y'all to get out there and stay. Stay fleecing. Stay fleecing. Fleece up, not down. Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming. All set for your flight? Yep. I've got everything I need. IMAs, neck pillow, t mobile, headphones. Wait, T Mobile? You bet. Free inflight, Wi Fi, 15% off all Hilton brands. I never go anywhere without T Mobile. Same goes from a water bottle, chewing gum, nail clippers. I'm gonna leave you to it.

[Ronald Young Jr.]

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