How Did This Get Rigged? The NBA Poker Scam w/ Paul Scheer & Jason Mantzoukas

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary

Episode: How Did This Get Rigged? The NBA Poker Scam w/ Paul Scheer & Jason Mantzoukas
Air Date: January 6, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guests: Paul Scheer & Jason Mantzoukas

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess dives into the recent NBA Poker and Sports Betting Scam, a sprawling, headline-grabbing FBI bust involving professional basketball players, coaches, and mafia families rigging poker games and exploiting insider information to profit on sports bets. Comedians and podcast royalty Paul Scheer and Jason Mantzoukas of How Did This Get Made? fame join Laci Mosley for a hilarious, sharply insightful conversation that blends true crime, pop culture, and their signature comedic banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Scam Awareness in the Digital Age (07:16 – 16:40)

• Protecting Parents from Scams:
  Paul discusses his increased vigilance in helping his parents avoid scams targeting older adults.
  • "You have to just kind of always check in, ask like a follow-up question." (07:33, Paul Scheer)
• Rise of AI & Fake Internet Content:
  Jason recounts realizing a majority of YouTube pet and baby videos are now AI-generated, blurring truth and fiction.
  • "The scam of our time...70% of pet videos are AI now." (09:46, Jason Mantzoukas)
• Rampant Disinformation:
  All joke about the new normal of everyday scams, citing everything from viral rage-bait to alternative facts as part of a "nation of scams."
  • "Now they're calling them opinions. I'm opining lies. And honestly, that's a great scam." (12:27, Laci Mosley)
• Exhaustion and Hypervigilance:
  Jason reflects on how cynicism and mistrust have become normalized, leading to tuning out information entirely for self-preservation.
  • "It's so much more easy to dismiss looking at my phone. It's full of nonsense now." (17:13, Jason Mantzoukas)

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The NBA Poker and Betting Scam: Breakdown (23:13 – 71:41)

Background: The Bust

• In October 2025, FBI operations "Nothing But Bet" and "Operation Royal Flush" took down a sophisticated ring of former and current NBA players/coaches (notably Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, Damon Jones) and mafia families running rigged poker games and illicit sports betting schemes.
• The cross-section of sports celebrity and organized crime gave the scandal a particular notoriety.

The Poker Scam Details (30:00 – 47:30)

• High-Stakes Rigged Games:
  Celebrities and wealthy individuals ("fish") were lured into poker nights fixed using advanced tech—electric shufflers with card readers, x-ray tables, even contact lenses revealing secret marks on cards.
  • "Scamming is hard work, okay? These people are innovators." (45:50, Laci Mosley)
• Player Involvement:
  Having NBA legends like Chauncey Billups at the table lent legitimacy to mob-connected games.
  • "Having [an NBA star] as a face card made the games look legit." (40:14, Laci Mosley)
• Artful Money Laundering:
  Notorious associates laundered proceeds through high-dollar "art sales," with Pookie (Sophia West) as a notable example.
  • "Art is the biggest fraud you could get involved with." (48:11, Paul Scheer)

The Sports Betting Grift (47:40 – 55:02)

• Insider Info:
  Coaches and players, including Damon Jones, allegedly leaked confidential player and injury information (e.g., LeBron sitting out a game) to facilitate winning bets before news hit the public.
  • "It's like insider trading." (50:27, Jason Mantzoukas)
• Fixing Outcomes:
  Some, like Terry Rozier, allegedly pulled themselves from games or faked injuries to directly swing betting odds for criminal profit.
  • "Terry was actually telling people...he was making the parlays even more specific, faking injuries." (51:21, Laci Mosley)
• Systemic Issues:
  The group discusses how betting has become ultra-normalized—fantasy leagues, DraftKings, FanDuel—creating a landscape ripe for exploitation and potentially damaging to both pro and college athletes.

Mafia & Nicknames (60:43 – 63:55)

• The indictment is peppered with evocative mobster nicknames (Spook, Vizino Locks, Sugar, Scary Terry, Chum), delighting Jason.
  • "This is the only part of the story I have heard—it's so funny!" (61:02, Jason Mantzoukas)
• Attire as a Statement:
  Paul notes that some indicted players wore message-laden clothing to court (e.g., Terry in a Clutch Sports hoodie, possibly signaling he could incriminate higher-ups).
  • "He wore his sports agency's hoodie...I think that's a very damning thing to do." (63:08, Paul Scheer)

Commentary on the Scam’s Nature (66:40 – 71:41)

• Complicity and Irony:
  The group reflects on how the scam mostly targeted those already seeking illicit gain, equating it to "trickle down scamonomics."
  • "You can't rob a bank with your homie, and then your homie takes all the money...and say he robbed me from the bank robbery." (68:27, Laci Mosley)
• Technological Innovation:
  They marvel at the cheats’ ingenuity and predict a future rife with similar cons as gambling further democratizes.
  • "Let's appreciate the way they did it. This is James Bond-level shit!" (67:12, Paul Scheer)
• Lack of Operational Security:
  Joking at the scammers’ expense for putting everything in writing:
  • "Why are y’all texting in 2025? Go get a flip phone!" (60:20, Laci Mosley)
  • "Their texting was really where they fucked up." (70:18, Laci Mosley)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Cynicism of the Information Age

  • "I feel like in the lifespan of your show we have become a nation of scams." (12:49, Jason Mantzoukas)
  • "If I get too happy when I see something or too angry, I should fact check it, because 90% of the time it's AI rage bait." (12:37, Paul Scheer)

• On NBA Gambling Culture

  • "I believe that the NBA is full of good scams." (23:39, Paul Scheer)
  • "Betting has become absolutely normalized in on your phone, which is dangerous." (52:50, Jason Mantzoukas)

• Comic Gold / Mafia Nickname Bit

  • Laci: "...Imagine your nickname in the indictment. Here are a few: Spook, Vizino Locks, Sugar, Chum..." (61:02)
  • Jason: "They called him Chum because he's attracting the fish. Oh, they thought about that one." (62:34)

• On The Cheating Tech

  • Laci: "Contact lenses could read secret card markings... We've really gotten high tech and cheap."
  • Paul: "It was incredible...I could see you perfect, everything just had a hue of blue." (45:09)

• On the Irony of Crime Circles

  • "You can't rob a bank with your homie and then your homie takes all the money...and say he robbed me from the bank robbery." (68:27, Laci Mosley)

• Evaluation of the Scam

  • Jason: "Isn't this just going to proliferate continuously? Isn't this just the tip of the iceberg of some..." (67:12)

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Timestamps to Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Opening banter & scam awareness | 07:16–16:40 | | NBA Poker and Betting Scam intro | 23:13 | | Poker scam breakdown—celebrities & technology | 30:00–47:30 | | Art & money laundering angle | 46:33–49:40 | | Sports betting exploitation | 47:40–55:02 | | Commentary on pranks in the NBA | 56:15–58:30 | | The Mob & their nicknames | 60:43–63:55 | | Closing thoughts & scam evaluation | 66:40–71:41 |

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Tone, Style, and Overall Vibe

The episode flows with sharp, playful, and irreverent comedic banter between Laci, Paul, and Jason. They freely riff off one another, use vivid examples, and inject the proceedings with both cultural critique and absurd humor. Laci’s “con-gregation” is treated to a mix of true crime depth, NBA talk, pop culture, and improv asides (e.g., Cream City jokes, the role of whales/sharks as "cops of the sea"). Despite the comedy, the episode delivers insightful commentary about vulnerability, digital disinformation, and the normalization of gambling culture.

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Final Takeaways

• The NBA Poker & Betting scam was enabled by a culture that normalizes both extreme wealth and underground risk, facilitated by tech innovation and emboldened by lax operational security.
• The scam itself—involving celebrities, organized crime, and high-tech cheating methods—serves as a mirror for broader social ills: the blending of entertainment, exploitation, and the ever-present temptation to “game the system.”
• The rise of democratized gambling via apps is seen as both a social risk and breeding ground for future, possibly subtler scams.
• The hosts urge listeners: Innovate if you must, but never leave a digital paper trail—and remember, "Trickle down scamonomics" is real.

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Key Quote to Sum Up:
"Let's appreciate the way they did it. This is James Bond-level shit!"
— Paul Scheer (67:12)

Closing Reminder:
Don’t text about your scams. And as Laci says—stay schemin’!

Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Scam, robbery and fraud. Scam Cause robbery and fraud. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, the host of the podcast All About Robbery, Fraud and those who practice it. It is a comedy podcast, I will remind you. Up. I do want to let y' all know that the tickets for Scam got us live are on sale. Y' all know I'm coming to Chicago, New York, Dallas, which is my hometown. So y' all better show out, okay? My mama will be there and San Francisco. So you can get those tickets now on Live Nation. Ticketmaster, pull up. Let's have a good time, honey. Let's key. Now, y' all know, y' all already know I'm very. What? Yes. Excited, elated, ecstatic. We have two amazing iconic guests today. Two people that I have. I had to pause, y' all cause I'm a little gagged. Two people that I have like worshiped in comedy and also had the privilege of doing comedy with. I'm so excited that they're here. They are two thirds of the podcast royalty, honey. Truly, these guys are some of the funniest people that I literally have ever met. First up, we have a gentleman, you know, from the league, Black Monday, Veep, and oh yes, he's a full on director. Our other equally brilliant guest is known for the league, the Good Place, Big Mouth, Invincible and so much more. Together they co host the iconic podcast, how did this get made? Alongside Paul's gorgeous and equally impressive baddie wife, June Diane Raciel, period. Congregation, please rise wherever you are. Stand up in Your car at a red light and help me welcome Paul Schear and Jason Mantzoukas back to the show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. In person. This is so much better.

[Paul Scheer]

Jason and I, obviously, we have a Sirius XM show. I believe this is maybe the second time I've been in the Sirius building.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, truly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, truly. And that's what Jess was telling me. She was like, paul is gonna come in the building.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Never, never. Almost never. And so what a treat, not just to be in the building, but to be with you here in the studio.

[Paul Scheer]

The real show. Now, here's the thing. We're walking down the hallway. They have, you know, big posters of, you know, serious talent. And I. And I see, you know, Marc Anthony, I see Cher, and then I see Chewbacca. Now, is Chewbacca doing a podcast?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And there's a Chewbacca, but there's not. There's no Lacey, there's no Paul and Jason. No, there's.

[Paul Scheer]

Chewbacca has a full. Like, this is not a Disney owned corporation. I don't know why Chewbacca has his own banner. Yeah. And we don't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And was he in here? Was he on the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Does he have a show?

[Paul Scheer]

Like, is he on shade 45?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Probably. Like, he's probably been on all the Andy Cohen for anything.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He is.

[Paul Scheer]

He does. He does.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's on Watch what Happens Live.

[Paul Scheer]

He does the Andy Cohen morning show, and then he does just kind of like a mixtape show late at night.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He did. I did see him bartend on an episode of Watch what Happens Live.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

See that? I could believe Jason. He would be good at that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But talking, no, no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

In the business of talking, why does he have a photo in the business.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Of talking and none of us do?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He famously does not talk.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, he talks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You just don't understand. And we've made. To be clear, we've made. None of us truthfully have made any effort to learn that language.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, you want to talk about a scam? Have you heard about the parents who only taught their kid Klingon?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

And then, like, the child protective services had to take that child away, as they should. Well, they should. But it is a language.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, I mean, but. But who knows? I mean, the parents might have been preparing that child to be part of the Klingon empire.

[Paul Scheer]

And there you go. That's what we need to get to the bottom of.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. On one side, I'm like, it is a language and everything is made up. Everything is made up. Sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

English is made up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Why do we have sent, sent, and sent. And they're all spelled differently and they mean different things, for sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Homonyms are a disaster.

[Paul Scheer]

I live down the block from a French school, and many people in my neighborhood.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Get rid of it.

[Paul Scheer]

Get it out. No, but many people bring their kids there, and what they do is they do all their schooling in French, which I. I'm always trying to wrap my head.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I know that French school. I have some friends who. Whose kids go to that French school.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. And it's an interesting thing. It's like, all right, so you are going to immerse your kids in French. Is. I mean, is it wrong to immerse your kid in Klingon? I mean, we have to get to the bottom of it. I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, I feel like Klingon is better than French in America. Like, if you. If you're going to learn a language at school, you need to learn Spanish.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll be honest. Comic Con every weekend, like, there are more people who speak Klingon than speak Chewbacca's language. So much so that why. Why aren't. I was going to say. I mean, his planet is Kashyyyk.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah? What do you call it?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Does Sirius get to Kashyyyk?

[Paul Scheer]

Like, I mean, I would love it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If anything, like, Wharf should have a show in Klingon for the Klingon listeners standing on business.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Chewbacca is gaslighting us. He not saying nothing.

[Paul Scheer]

Take the Chewbacca poster down. Serious, serious.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We want to get rid of the Chewbacca poster. You heard it here first.

[Paul Scheer]

Take it down with us.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Take it down.

[Paul Scheer]

What are we doing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Who. Who are the stars? What are the shows?

[Paul Scheer]

Chewbacca doesn't even have a show. We need someone to check that out there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

People are saying to you. We love scam guys, right?

[Paul Scheer]

We're coming to you. We're seeing your live show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Chewbacca.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

How did this get made? You guys are feeling people? We love the show.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We love the show, people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And then motherfucking Chewbacca. Like, no, listen, Replacement theory, the racist got it wrong, okay? It was never the brown people. It was always Chewbacca.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. All I'm going to say is this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's the problem.

[Paul Scheer]

Chewbacca is the problem. You know what? End of episode. We did it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, we did it. We did it.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm sorry. Are we.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just want to make sure. We're canceling Chewbacca.

[Paul Scheer]

We got to get it out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's the goal of this podcast.

[Paul Scheer]

We have to make sure People know Chewbacca has had it too easy. Too easy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Just because we can't get in him, we know what's going on. Now I have to ask you both, you kind of already started in on it, but what is your relationship with scams right now? Are there any scams, scams that are in the zeitgeist that you like? Have you been a victim of a scam, a participant of a scam? It could be anything, as long as it's past that limitation.

[Paul Scheer]

I will say that where I am very aware of scams is now with my parents. I'm trying to protect parents from scams. They're out there, it's easy, they're targets. And so you have to just kind of always check in, ask like a follow up question. I don't know if they're being taken advantage of, but I'm just, I'm going the extra distance with them. Just a little bit more. Just a little bit more. Like, for example, this is a while ago, my dad sent me this like, beautiful like postcard on Facebook, a digital postcard. And it was something like, being a father is a great gift. I love you, my son. Right. It was a very, like, I was like, oh, that's so nice. And I.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You clicked on the link or was it.

[Paul Scheer]

No, it was, it was like a postcard. Yeah, it was in the. However I looked at Facebook, my dad's the only person that's hit me up on Facebook. I'm not particularly aware of how it is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And we're like, we're never clicking these.

[Paul Scheer]

And when I, and when I open, when I opened it to read, that's like, oh, that's really nice. And then the card flipped and it said, paid for by the, the people voting for Donald Trump.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh.

[Paul Scheer]

And I was like, oh. So like my dad was doing like, like it was like a propaganda, like, it's like, hey, we'll get you in. Yeah, send this postcard to your son. But then you get a little ad for Donald Trump in there because they're.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hoping that you will then also support.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm, I'm on board now. I'm like, but I've gotten that. They've advertised. It's like, it's actually a genius scam to create something that looks like, oh, I'm going to send this to my son. I'm going to send this to other people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm going to get triggering like a heartfelt moment. Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

And then you go, paid for by Donald Trump. And you're like, oh. And then it's then I'm on a list. I'm on a list at that point. The minute I clicked it, I'm on a list.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like we are now. Like it used to be that a scam was almost like a multi phase thing that someone would fall into.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know what I mean? Like that you see like a true crime documentary or some. Something being done about those. Those kind of con people, you know, people who are perpetrating scams. Scams. Now I feel like I am falling victim to a scam all the time, which is if I just look on YouTube, I don't know what's real.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, that's a big deal.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's like. And this isn't exactly like a scam, but it's. I'm watching something. I realized recently that like some of the, some of the archetype YouTube videos that I will watch, mostly pets and babies are all AI now. Or I would say like 70% of.

[Paul Scheer]

Them are AI deer getting loose in Marshalls. That's AI.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I just saw one that was like, these people are going to this pet adoption center and they line up and the pet chooses the owner. And then all these like cute little dogs and stuff would run up to people and then they would hug them and they would cry with the dog. Like, that's my dog because it chose me. And then I found out it was fucking AI and I was like, what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's it.

[Paul Scheer]

Here's what I will say.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's the scam of our time.

[Paul Scheer]

I think the scam, the best scam going on right now. I still am on X because I love Fong's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is your whole.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You call it X, I call it Twitter.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's what his mama name is. This is your whole democracy.

[Paul Scheer]

I call it because I believe that the owner has a way to change this. The future of. No, here's what I'll say.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

No, when I'm on Twitter, I follow it because it has all the best sports stuff. But there's a, there is a, an account called like NBA Central. It's not NBA Central. It's like misspelled central. Like it's an R before the A and the L. And they constantly are putting out fake reports. So much so it looks like a New York Times screen grab. And they're all jokes, but they are like the Onion. Yes, but like everyone gets scammed by them. So all of a sudden you also.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

People report it.

[Paul Scheer]

It will be forwarded around to a million different people and then Stephen A. Will be on and Be like, I can't believe that Chris Paul said this about Kawhi. And it's like. And then you find out, oh, he just. Somebody forwarded him a link to NBA Central, which is not NBA Central.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We should not be listening to Stephen A. Smith. I know he yells. It is hard not to listen to a yeller.

[Paul Scheer]

Our next president.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The A is for America.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I guess I got the last bit of the free good education for sure. Because we learned about false facts like sources we would never cite Wikipedia. That's a fucking joke. Anybody can get on there and make shit up like it was dot gov. It was dot org. It was like, you know, you only went to websites for information that could be sued if they put out misinformation because they have something to lose.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We're drowning in the nonsense that has been that began as the idea that Kellyanne Conway said in the 2016 lead up to the 2016, we have alternative facts. Right. Which is an absolutely chilling phrase. There are only facts. There are not alternative facts.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Well, now they're calling them opinions. It's like if you don't have the information, you just call it an opinion. I'm opining lies. And honestly, that's a great scam. My odds are opinions, not lies.

[Paul Scheer]

All I know is if I get too happy when I see something or too angry, I should fact check it because 90% of the time it is going to be it's AI rage bait. It's a very specific thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like in the lifespan of your show we have become a nation of scams. I feel like it is absolutely abundantly clear to me right now that the last bunch of years have been nothing but scams On a international level.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, Scams are a recession indicator. People need to afford groceries, they need to be able take care of their families, they need insurance. Like, people are waking up to the fact that the government is a scam and that a lot of the institutions and the laws and the things that we have deemed, you know, worthy of our respect are actually all made up. And a lot of them are bullshit.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The flip is true as well. The flip is true as well, which is I think the scammers are weaponizing the scam mentality to tell people even the things that are real and are good are scams. Like the, like the conspiracy like scams are kind of the same to me as conspiracies, like conspiracy theories. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is a. I do like a tin hat.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You do? Yeah. But I mean, like, I do like.

[Paul Scheer]

Your line of tin hats. And I think that was a very ingenious thing to do.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They'll be on pot sweat, guys. Goodbye. By the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here's my only problem is my head sweats so much to them. They have zero breathability.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're getting rid of all the toxins.

[Paul Scheer]

It's hard.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, it's lightweight metal, but it is nonetheless a metal.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, you need to sweat because that's getting rid of all the toxins. That's getting rid of all the bad stuff.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This seems like a scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know what I mean?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now these sound like a scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Paul Scheer]

Murder that needs to be solved.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And the truth, this man killed my mother and left me to die. He's out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think if we don't catch this guy, then he's gonna go off the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Deep end of control.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They won't even see you coming. I have to end this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Will Trent. Season premiere Tuesday, 8, 7 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now, Jason, before we get into historic hoodwinks, which I picked out personally for you both.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm just gonna ask you, is there anything else about scams that has been ringing in your head lately? I know we were kind of all bouncing off of each other particularly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, I'm trying to think. I feel like my relationship to scams now is kind of what I was describing is a mistrust of anything. And that, that feels like a macro scam to me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now, does that make you feel bad that you're having to be so hypervigilant?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It makes me feel bad that I have to be hyper vigilant, but it also makes me feel like it's so much more easy to dismiss looking at my phone. It's even easier to be like, oh, this is full of nonsense now, so why don't I just not do it? You know?

[Paul Scheer]

You see, I would think that you would have a disappointment with dogs and babies. Like they're not doing enough worthy content.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, it is heartbreaking to realize they're not. They're not.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Are you fighting babies?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would love to. Hey, if you've got a baby out there and that baby wants to fight, listen to him.

[Paul Scheer]

Listen to him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

These babies, they think they're so strong now.

[Paul Scheer]

Everyone wants to cater to these babies. Oh, yeah, they can do anything. They can do anything. They can cry.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know what they can't do? You know what babies can't do? Fight a 52 year old man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's true. Babies can't do that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They can't do it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that reminds me of this very viral video that keeps coming, popping back up of a man on a plane who was disgruntled with a baby crying for 45 minutes on the flight. And he was like, fuck that baby. He was like. And they're like, sir, you're yelling. He was like, I'm yelling. He been yelling for 45 minutes. What you mean I can't yell like he was?

[Paul Scheer]

I will tell you as a parent, the worst thing getting On a plane with a newborn or like a fresh. A fresh baby.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

A fresh baby.

[Paul Scheer]

A fresh baby is the most nerve wracking situation because your baby is gonna act. You don't know. You just don't know. Like, you could have the best baby. It's a crapshoot. You get on there, it could be like three great flights, one terrible flight. It could be their gas, it could be they sleep. They don't sleep. You don't know. So you get on, you're already like, okay, I'm here. I don't want to interrupt anybody else. And then what I realized as a parent was no parent is not trying to make that baby be quiet. Right? Like, that was, I think, my interpretation of it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm not a parent. I have low key on that man's side on the flight because it did kind of feel like maybe them parents wasn't trying to make that baby be quiet.

[Paul Scheer]

There's a certain. There's just nothing that you can do to force a baby to be like, they want that baby. Every parent's like, they don't want that attention. No one wants that heat.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And a baby at 35,000ft, you're trapped.

[Paul Scheer]

Your ears are popping. Like, the worst thing was when my kids were more sentient. I could speak to them, like trying to explain to them how to swallow so their ears would pop instead. They'd be like, I don't know what's going on. You know? You know, it's like they're learning all this stuff, their bellies, everything. So it's. Parents don't want to be in that position. I was never the person that went around and gave out Starbucks gift cards or like did little packages of candy. I've been next to parents, oh, wow, it's a lovely, a lovely idea. But I'm also like, we're humans, we live here. I respect, yeah, you got a baby, I can live with it. I don't need a Starbucks. And that's part of community.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Inconvenience is a part of community. Absolutely. And we all need to accept that. America's fly private.

[Paul Scheer]

If you have a big problem with it, like, go fucking spend for money.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And we all have to understand as part of this community that we need to shun the baby. We need to. If the baby is. We need to, we need to send it to the bathroom maybe, I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There's a closet where the pilot hangs up his jacket. We could put the baby in there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

More planes need baby closets. The baby needs to learn soundproof Baby closets.

[Paul Scheer]

I did believe for a very long time when I was in the throes of a lot of baby travel, I believe that the back two rows of the airplane should be ripped out and it should be a little bit of like a baby walk area, something. Because that's the other thing, too, is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I kind of nursing Mama's gotta pull her ta Ta out, like, what's happening?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But that's different. She can do that anywhere. And if it's near to me, hey, that's cool too.

[Paul Scheer]

On Southwest, you know, that's part of the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If there's a baby going nuts, at least let me see a titty. If they. I mean, like, that just balances. I mean, for me, I'm like, I'm having trouble sleeping. I'm distracted from the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2, which I'm trying to watch on this all the time tv. But meanwhile, let me see a titty. At least. Let me just like, let me sneak a peek at a titty.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's going to be more National Geographic than Playboy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll take it at 35,000ft.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

35,000Ft. Oh, my goodness. No, I agree. And Paul, I do sympathize. I don't have any children, but I have obvious. Like, my sister and I are 13 years apart. So I've changed a lot of diapers. I've raised a little baby. I raised a little colicky baby. She was so colicky. And she's lucky that I saw Law and Order SVU in that shaking baby syndrome episode, because you can't shake the baby. The baby will die. So I learned that. And then I didn't shake her when she. I'd done everything. She was fed, she was clean, she was changed, her hair was done. I'd rocked her, I'd taken her out for a walk, everything. And she was just screaming. And I just laid on the floor.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I've done that. I've had those moments. That's the other thing, too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Just lay here.

[Paul Scheer]

Most parents are so fried, like you are. Basically, most parents are living on that verge of going, and this is an old reference, but going postal. It's like we are sleep deprived. I mean, I am now way out of it, but we are sleep deprived. We are. We are angry. We are overburdened, like, trying to travel with the baby. I'm bringing multiple bags. I'm checking. It's. Life sucks. We. We want to get in that fight. I. I think if that guy spoke on that plan, I would have punched him in the dick.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So it sounds like what you're saying is parenthood is a scam not to bring it back to the show.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen, if you want some very cute unemployed roommates, then, you know, have kids.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think the real ID is a scam. Does that count?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Honestly? Anything to get us to the fucking dmv. I hate going there.

[Paul Scheer]

I had to go. What did you pick?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I had to go. Just for the real id?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I was like, why? This is. I don't understand.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I have a passport. They're like, no.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And a license. I've got it all. Why do we. Why are we.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, real ID is a license now, just as a license.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, no.

[Paul Scheer]

For sure. Yeah, for sure.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, are you working for the government?

[Paul Scheer]

No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Paul's gotta give it fed energy. Okay, now we're gonna move into my favorite part of this episode. Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I'm going to regale Paul and Jason with a famous con caper scam. Maybe it's a group of criminals. Maybe it's a single individual. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. I picked this in particular because we know that Paul's a huge Clippers fan and Jason loves shenanigans.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love shenanigans.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And if you're gonna shenan once, you're.

[Paul Scheer]

Gonna shenanigan, I will say the NBA is full of good scams.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is. So we're. This is pretty recent, you guys. And I actually screamed yes when I looked at the trial dates because there won't be any updates by the time that this airs. Oh, yeah. So sometimes when it's really recent, I get scared that it's gonna be.

[Paul Scheer]

This is not gonna get to try.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So you know what it is?

[Paul Scheer]

I. Well, I have. Yes, I have elements. But here's the thing. This is gonna be interesting because you have the right research. I think I have an understanding of it, but I think you're gonna actually expand.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I want your understanding.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No. And this is what. And this is where I want you to be, Jason. Fly, fly free. So In October of 2025, just as a new NBA season was starting, major FBI stings caught former and current NBA players and coaches working in rigged poker games backed by the Mafia and using insider info to cheat at sports betting on a multimillion dollar scale. So we're talking about NBA crime time.

[Paul Scheer]

And we're talking about two very different things, right? Because one is like, come and gamble with me. The other is, come and bet on sports with me. Like, they're. They are under. Are they under? The same umbrella or are they.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you're gonna see, because there is some intricacies here. There's some overlap for sure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think I heard this. Yes, I heard this described on the radio because they. The part that the radio show that I was listening to is obsessed with was all that. They were so excited that all the mafia guys still have crazy names and because, yes, all of the people listed in this indictment or whatever are, like, hilariously goofball mafia.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I need that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Thank God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We're losing recipes. Crime recipes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank God. The Mafiosos. I haven't changed with the time so that it's a bunch of. A bunch of like. Like mafia bosses who are, like, Braxton.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, Carter.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Kyle.

[Paul Scheer]

Kyle.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The mafia.

[Paul Scheer]

Come on.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm not gonna be scared.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, no. Kyle's coming.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Kyle?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, we're not scared of him. No. You gotta be scary.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So it's. So. It's Sawyer. You know Sawyer. Oh, no. Sawyer's mad at me.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm just happy that we are able to bring these men to justice. And that's a great legal system that we have here in the country.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hang on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Call the Fed.

[Paul Scheer]

I said that we're. You. We have these great, you know, to get these great names right. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about. These guys are able to find.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love Daddy government.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is also strange to your. Your other big take, which is overfund the police.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Give them more money.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Militarize them more.

[Paul Scheer]

Every precinct has two tanks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

54% of LA's budget is not enough.

[Paul Scheer]

I thought you were going to say porpoises. And I was like, yeah, let's get some porpoises on the force, too.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, God.

[Paul Scheer]

Get that kind of. You need. Who's policing the sea? We need them out there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're joking. But that would be white people's next frontier. If they got rid of all the black, the brown people, they'd be like, I don't know. Who do we police now?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How do we. How do we.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The whales.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How do we affect that manatee?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Lock him up.

[Paul Scheer]

Get that manatee.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How do we affix a badge to a seal?

[Paul Scheer]

He's got a great mustache.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know. I feel like the cops of the sea would be hippos.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hippos. All right.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. I don't mind it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hippos are violent for no reason and they can run underwater.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

But like, I'm. When I think of the sea I think of like waves. Like hippos aren't out in the ocean.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, that's where they shoot sharks. I feel like it would be sharks. It's not bothering us.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like sharks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

These sharks, I don't know, they bitches. I feel like it would be whales.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, well.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause whales be fucking up sharks.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So big. But sometimes I feel like whales are so big and so threatened by nobody that they're just like, chill out there, though. I feel like whales are like, fuck, man. What are you. What are you so upset about?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you want police to be insecure and harass people is what you're saying?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The shark put up my ambush me. I'm saying the shark. Oh, God. Wait, wait. Where is he?

[Paul Scheer]

Get in here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're safe.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Am I, Am I in the target? Am I in the sights? No, I think sharks have the mentality of cops, which is just like vicious out there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you want cops to stay the same mentality as they are?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm just trying to speak to the moment. Is the music still going?

[Paul Scheer]

It is. It is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I didn't realize this was a Gacha pod.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. Chewbacca's coming through the door right now. All right, so bring us in.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So a total of 34 people, including some famous ones, were arrested as a result of two multi year, multi state sports crime investigations. The FBI called this operation Nothing But Bit. I love that. The FBI.

[Paul Scheer]

Terrible name. It's a terrible name because there's so many.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, Nothing but Bet.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, Like Nothing but Net.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What's. Oh, I see, I see, I see, I see. You know, I was gonna say even it's. That's NBB instead of NBA. They're so close to NBA.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

And Nothing but Net is like, it's not as catchy as like, like how old are you?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And also, like, it's not really cute. They also called it Operation Royal Flush. These are stupid.

[Paul Scheer]

They're bad.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Let's ask you a question. How much time and how many people do you think are. How many people are spending how much time just naming operations, just coming up with clever pun filled nicknames? That seems like a waste of time.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, it also feels like that's like you get to that level like, ah, yeah, now I finally got to name.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I get to. I'm in the punch up room.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. The most senior member gets to name it. I feel like, you know, it's like. And you can't really argue with it. It's like. Well, you know, it was Clarissa. She's been here for a long time. She gets to name it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're blaming a woman for a bad name? A woman would have came up with a better name than Operation Nothing Bad.

[Paul Scheer]

She didn't know anything about basketball because of course women don't watch sports, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, no, no. I haven't been courtside at a Liberty game ever. I haven't met Ellie.

[Paul Scheer]

Here I am trying to make the FBI a person, a woman. So it didn't seem like it was a male dominated field and then I step in my.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is inclusion.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, Clarissa, I mean, do you. So you're saying Clarissa didn't deserve to be there?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, Clarissa explained it all. So I figured that, you know, she's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

One of those, you know, that's why.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I have a hat on that says him. I had to trick them. I had to trick them.

[Paul Scheer]

So nothing but.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nothing but bet or Operation Royal Flush. Okay, so for the rigged poker games, the FBI arrested basketball hall of Famer and current like Portland Trail Blazers head coach Chauncey Billups as well as members of four mafia families. They arrested Miami Heat guard and 10 year NBA veteran Terry Rosier and former Cleveland Cavalier player and coach Damon Jones for illegal sports betting with insider info. Damon was actually named in both the Pope Poker and the betting investigations. He said, I'm doing all the crime. Let get me in there. Yikes. Chauncey and Terry were placed on immediate leave by the NBA. So we're looking at Damon Jones right here. Damon, honestly, this pose is giving me like. Yeah, put me in all the crime. Sign me up.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this is old too. Damn. Well, the picture we're looking at, Damon is like 90s, right? Like this is. This is Buck still exist? Yeah, Giannis is on the Bucs. They won the NBA championship maybe like three or four years ago.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Really?

[Paul Scheer]

There he is. That's our guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Look at his point average.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What city is the buck? 1.8 points.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. It was in 2008. Wow. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's later than that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He needs to gamble. He probably needed that.

[Paul Scheer]

That's the last season, though. It's just last season. That makes sense.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What city is the book?

[Paul Scheer]

Milwaukee. This one.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Milwaukee. We're calling that a city?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, man, we're getting a little Clarissa energy over here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, what do you define as a city?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Not Milwaukee.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not Milwaukee.

[Paul Scheer]

Wow. Cream City. Cream City. Can you pull up, can you pull up their Cream City jersey?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Please don't.

[Paul Scheer]

So last year this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I don't know. Yes, they're Just saying that we can't load Cream City imagery because it's of a porn blocker.

[Paul Scheer]

So this, this is. Yeah, they see Cream City. That's their jerseys.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What?

[Paul Scheer]

Cream City.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nobody has ever heard that because Milwaukee.

[Paul Scheer]

Beer, you know, the Laverne and Shirley, that's the foam on the beer.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cream is that much explaining you have to do, Paul. That's all.

[Paul Scheer]

If you're in the city, you know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But don't you not want foam in your beer?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think it's, yeah, you don't.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You actually get sideways, so that's not positive. Cream. Okay, I've got notes on Cream City. You can do that.

[Paul Scheer]

Am I right? Milwaukee is head of the beer. That what?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's like being like Pulp City. Like nobody really, like, like wants that.

[Paul Scheer]

Cream City, baby.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If Orlando was Pulp City.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Pulp City.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right, because of the orange juice. That's what we're talking about.

[Paul Scheer]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That was a good connection.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I can't get over Cream City.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I can't either.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I need them to change it. Paul, why would you tell us about that Cream City? I don't think kids call it Cream City.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I feel like there every now and then there's a sporting like a uniform or like a logo that gets. It's co opted by popular culture. Cream City feels like that's a great one. Like you don't even have to.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you're calling it popular.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I'm just saying that, like. Cause it would look like, like Jizz City. Like, right? And then, then like, like when I was growing up, all these kids had like gamecock hats, right. So you couldn't get in trouble for wearing a gamecock hat. But it's a gamecocks on it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Right?

[Paul Scheer]

Right. So it's like I'm wearing a hat in the city.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is a wink wink.

[Paul Scheer]

No, I don't think it's a wink wink, but I, I, I would imagine that those jerseys are selling, I feel like, in the sense of saying, like, yeah, like, I got a Jizz City shirt. Like, like you can get away with being a little dirty.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So, so, so. But I mean, like, like in that way that people say about the team, that is like, go Birds. Yeah, right, right. So would people say, like to each other out in the wild, Go Cream City.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Go Cream.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, this is Go Cream.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Ooh, that sounds like a threat.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Go, go Cream.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Go Cream.

[Paul Scheer]

You just got creamed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, well, that does work.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hand sign up with the cream.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, gosh.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So, okay, for they were steamed and.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Creamed for the Poker scheme, not cream.

[Paul Scheer]

This poker scheme is pretty amazing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So high net worth fish were lured into playing poker with a group of fake players only to be cheated out of money using advanced technology to rig.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Fish like whales and porcupine.

[Paul Scheer]

That's what we need to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's why we need them. That's why we need police officers in that community.

[Paul Scheer]

People out there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We don't need Ocean dsp.

[Paul Scheer]

Bring it back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Want to expand any of our police departments any more Domestically, we need a coast guard.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I've had to run from them once.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We need. Please say more.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My birthday party was a three day weekend one time. And I had brought my close friends and family to stay in this mansion. And then we had activities that I had planned before. The big fourth of Julacy party. And we had a yacht party. And my.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Did you just say fourth of July? That's what it's called.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I was born on the fourth of July. It's the fourth of July.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I didn't know that. You just went through it so quickly. I just wanted to foreground it.

[Paul Scheer]

They know, they know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Everybody knows. Why are you gonna celebrate this country? Celebrate me?

[Paul Scheer]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm less problematic.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Very true.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But quickly. Yes. So we. My assistant at the time was trying to kill me. I stand by this. And she booked the yacht. And I don't know what the situation was, but I've talked about this years ago. But basically we got on a boat like Pablo, who was a very sweaty man in a pirate's hat who was definitely on cocaine. And he led us to a boat that was kind of like a T can. And on top was this other group of people going to their yacht. And on the bottom was us. And we were all dressed in white. Cause I told everybody to wear white. And my friend Anthony Simpson. See, I'm shouting you out right now. He said we look like slaves on Easter Sunday because we're waiting on the curb, like waiting for this like man to come. And so sweaty Pablo comes up all coked up with his sex worker assistant. And we get on this.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that you put assistant but not sex worker in quotes. Like it should have been like sex worker assistant. So she definitely is a sex worker.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And then possibly assistant.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, she's assistant in some way, I guess. So we're.

[Paul Scheer]

She's assisting him get to Cream City.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So I guess the amount of people that we have for the yacht because we were renting it and it wasn't ours. Like you can only have a certain amount of people on a yacht if you're renting it.

[Paul Scheer]

So big money problem.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he. We were circling and we were in the water, like in the Pacific, you know, Marina Del Rey. And the Coast Guard kept coming. Cause it's a holiday. So the Coast Guard kept, like, driving by. And every time the Coast Guard would drive by, they'd be like, oh, y' all get down. Get downstairs. Or whatever. And so they couldn't take us to our boat because we had an illegal amount of people. They had to wait until the Coast Guard left.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So we circled around for like an hour until the Coast Guard left. Oh, wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Stop.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Run from the water. Police. We don't need more of them.

[Paul Scheer]

All right, three.

[Kelly Ripa]

Hey there, it's Kelly Rupa. And if you've been listening to my podcast, we are knee deep in season three, and if you haven't heard it, it's time to get on board. After years of interviewing celebs on camera, I finally get to bring you the real conversations that take place when the cameras aren't rolling. Where else are you going to hear Michelle Obama talk about keeping her girls out of Page Six? Hilaria Baldwin's hilarious reaction to Alec running for office.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Office.

[Kelly Ripa]

Or Jeremy Renner's lucid hallucinations about Jamie Foxx? Nowhere else. It's raw, it's honest, and best of all, it's off camera. And believe me, that's where you get the good stuff. So download. Let's talk off camera with Kelly Rippa now. Wherever you get your podcasts, Special Agent.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Will Trent, abc Tuesday. You run from the dark.

[Paul Scheer]

That's why it chases you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Get out of my house. The hit series Will Trent is back. Will, this is a manhunt, not a.

[Paul Scheer]

Murder that needs to be solved.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And the truth. This man killed my mother and left me to die. He's out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think if we don't catch this guy, then he's gonna go off the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Deep end of control.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They won't even see you coming. I have to end this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Will Trent season premiere Tuesday, 8, 7 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Kelly Ripa]

Bite it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Bite it, bite it.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Kelly Ripa]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Shh.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And fraud. So the high network fish. Like we're talking about like NBA stars. We're talking about people who get windfall of money very quickly. And oftentimes, especially in sports, you'll see people from every demographic who like have never had this kind of money in their life. So you're seeing people who are getting out of the mud a little bit. And even if they're from like a middle class home or whatever, it's like you chose to get into a barbaric sport that could kill you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So for money that is like in from for many people, just absolutely beyond imagination.

[Paul Scheer]

If you can exist just past a season.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Which is also a crash.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, what was the. There was a documentary about this very thing, one of the ESPN documentaries called Broke. And it was all about how many people who've made hundreds of millions of dollars in professional sports end up at a still pretty young age broke. How does that happen?

[Paul Scheer]

Because you are living a lifestyle.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Supporting your family. Everybody's got a handout and you can.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Only work for so many years.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. And you are living a lifestyle that. Yeah, it will never keep up because your money will just go down, down. Now I thought they were bringing in normies. They're bringing in their own.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is incestuous.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, got it. That's actually makes it way more dirty to me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Having an NBA star like Chauncey Billups or Damon Jones at the table as a face card made the games look legit for members and associates of the Bonanno, Gianvesi, Gambino crime families.

[Paul Scheer]

There are those names.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, there are those names. Three big giant crime families. Oh, no. The names I'm talking about are the.

[Paul Scheer]

People'S name, like their first names.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Their names are like squeaky bugs. They're all like kooky, weird names.

[Paul Scheer]

They're all the little people inside of the organization.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now we're gonna save those names for the end of the episode.

[Paul Scheer]

I love that because I do have them.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So Chauncey won the NBA Finals MVP in 2004 while leading the Detroit Pistons to their first championship in 1990, and made his first All Star team in 2006. So he had built himself into one of the game's great two way somewhere along the line, he became friends with Eric Ernest. Last name Ernest, probably not that earnest. A convicted felon and gambler with reported ties to the black mafia family. So on Instagram, Chauncey follows Eric's wife and daughter. Chauncey's wife Piper also follows Eric's daughter Chauncey and Eric would sit together at the rigged poke games.

[Paul Scheer]

Mid season they have a thing called the NBA cup where you are competing throughout the beginning part of the season for this like the cup. It's like a mid season championship. Where are they holding it? In Vegas. They all fly into Vegas and then when you win, you win a cash prize. Like you, everybody on the team wins a cash prize. And I believe the first year LeBron was like, oh, I'm just gonna go gamble with this. Like because it's nothing money. And they, they're in Vegas, they're there to gamble. So that this whole weekend that people are there there, it's just normal. I mean Ty Lue lives in, he's the coach of the Clippers. Lives in Vegas. Isn't known to be a poker tables playing, not in these rig games. Even though people have tried to link them together because Chauncey was an assistant coach in the Clippers. But this is like fair, fine, whatever. This is what's going on here. But this is like kind of getting them out of the casinos a little bit, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. And getting them out of like the protection of the casino. I mean we know mobs are tied to casinos, but at least like there is some type of like.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So this isn't even about betting on games, it's about poker games.

[Paul Scheer]

So there's two parts of it. So the first part of it is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We just haven't gotten there yet.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, we're gonna get there.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Please continue.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But you bring up very great points, PA and so sometimes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What about my points?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Jason, your points have been trash.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's fair. It's fair criticism.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So sometimes the poker players used electric shufflers rigged with card readers that would tell an off site handler who at the table had the best hand. Hand. So then the handlers would communicate to the team of cheaters in the room who would covertly advise the players how to behave in the game to draw as much money out of their target as possible. So they had a very organized machine going here and they have people with money to lose. Also, I feel like there is an overstimulation when you get a windfall of money where you stop looking at money like you used to look at it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, for sure.

[Paul Scheer]

I never can gamble. That's the one thing I can never wrap my head around.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I can't. 0 I will.

[Paul Scheer]

We 1 time did a show.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh my God, you guys are so straight edged.

[Paul Scheer]

No, it's because it's like I'm great.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

At Craps are you?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cuz I know when to leave. Every time I do craps, I, I, I at least make a payment on rent or, or something.

[Paul Scheer]

W. I think craps is the game that you can win, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, it's a, it's a simple numbers game. You just have to have enough money to stay in for an hour. I've said this a billion times on this podcast that the people are going to probably think I'm a gambling addict. Look, there's a number you guys can call. I have Aria chips in my credenza right now from Vegas. I think I have like $500 I forgot to cash.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How often are you going to Vegas or a casino?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'll say maybe once every three years.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I haven't been in a while.

[Paul Scheer]

I haven't been in a butt.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But I do got to itch a little bit. Cause I got these casino chips.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm like, get them in that if you've got the chips. But I would just go and cash them and leave.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

See, that's a great way to win at gambling. Leaving. That's the only way to win at gambling. Once that shit gets fun, you need to run. Because once it gets fun, they gonna take all your coins.

[Paul Scheer]

You sit there long enough, they get you drunk enough.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Them girls come around with them freezers.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The whole thing. That whole thing it is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But I learned from the best. My parents are like, every time they go to Vegas, it's like a free hotel suite and like flight deals and stuff. Like. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Because they way to go.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because they rip them off. They rip them off and they leave. That's what we do. So other games used X ray poker tables that could read cards through felts or computerized or computerized card analyzers hidden in phones or specialized contact lenses. Okay. 1, 800 contacts. Y' all ain't told me about those. I didn't know I could have some cheating lenses hit me up. So these contact lenses could read secret card markings visible only to the wearer. We've really gotten high tech and cheap.

[Paul Scheer]

They're really interesting. Somebody was doing these. The glasses that they had and the contact lenses, it was like, like a very heavy blue. Like so everything would look very dark blue to me if I was wearing the contact lens. But then I would be able to see that marking on the card, but you wouldn't be able to tell. And it would be a. I could see you perfect. It just everything had a hue of blue. It was incredible.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And so if someone was holding cards across from you or you saw them on the table, the cards would be marked on the back. So I could see, oh, they've got face cards or they've got whatever.

[Paul Scheer]

And you could see what was on the river. You could see what was in. You know, every card is there being dealt out because you're just seeing the card like you're seeing all the tops of the cards there before people even pick them up and put them in, you know, before even that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yep. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen, scamming is hard work, okay? These people are innovators.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's too much technology. Now you. I feel like we're hearing about this in the context of, like, this big scandal, but mustn't this be happening on much smaller scale?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Absolutely.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like, this feels like the easiest, like, glasses and a. A way to mark cards. Seems like a. A no brainer.

[Paul Scheer]

If they got concentrate tables.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's a bigger. Yeah, that's a bigger lift, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That seems like real tech.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's an investment. So these games were mostly run out of New York City, but also happened in the Hamptons, Miami and Las Vegas. Big scam cities. So the one woman named in Poker Probe was Sophia West, AKA this is your woman, Paul, for inclusion.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, great.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Sophia Way, AKA Pookie, who used to paint portraits for celebrities like Kevin Hart and Jadakiss and enjoyed hanging out with hip hop stars and athletes before getting busted in Operation Royal Flush. So this is Pookie right here. Come on. With her Chanel bag, that's at least like, 17K. Okay, Pookie, that doesn't look like Kevin Hart. That looks like if Michael Jackson and Kevin Hart had a baby in the seventies. What is that? Dangle? My what? What?

[Paul Scheer]

That's a weird. That's weird.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That doesn't look like him.

[Paul Scheer]

My mom got scammed. My mom got scammed by an artist like Pookie because she had them and they're cute. Yeah, Pookie is cute, but what are you seeing, mama? Well, it's a longer story, and I feel like we haven't even tipped into this. So next time I'll tell you that my mom got scammed by one of these Pookies.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You gotta come back and tell me about Pookie. So Pookie was arrested and then released on home detention after posting $100,000 bail and pleading not guilty to fraud and money laundering conspiracy charges, all while wearing a World Series of Poker sweatshirt in court.

[Paul Scheer]

I need to talk about when we get to Chauncey, what he wore, because that's a big Part of this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And Pookie's friend is wearing, like, full hello Kitty sweatshirt.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She said, I gotta keep the brand strong. Like, she knew she was gonna get photographs, so she's like, yeah, World Series of Poker. Y' all still hire Pookie. And. And the money laundering and wire transfers always peek up to me because there's easy ways to arrest people for scams and fraud. And, like, we just saw her painting, and I'm not gonna implicate nobody who's bought the painting.

[Paul Scheer]

Art is the biggest fraud that you could get involved.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Fraud is huge.

[Paul Scheer]

You can't say you were ripped off. You could be, like, it just was not. You know what I'm saying?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Not investment, so. But she was an artist, so that's.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What they pan to. Write off. Pookie Paytons by Pookie.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But, like, Kevin Hart is obviously paying her some amount of money for that big gig. Gigantic painting is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know what Kevin Hart is doing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Is it part of this?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I can't wait for this festival.

[Paul Scheer]

But it could be that, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

For so many people. Or none of them.

[Paul Scheer]

But, I mean, is that a laundering scheme, you think?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. No. Art purchasing art is a laundering scheme.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And so there's somebody who's saying to Kevin Hart or to somebody, hey, this is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Stop saying Kevin Hart.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that was the picture you showed. Right.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was just one guy.

[Paul Scheer]

One guy. He's not implicated in the scheme. He's not implicated.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You look at me. In trouble.

[Paul Scheer]

But meanwhile, what we are pitching, though, is the money is going out. We're not pitching how the money is hidden coming in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But if somebody's saying to these people, here's the way to clean this money. This is Pookie. She does art. You know, blah, blah, blah, you know?

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And Pookie showed up with texting five paintings.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I'm trying to figure out if Pookie is. Thinks her art is taking off. This is awesome.

[Paul Scheer]

Or.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Pookie knows what she's doing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's wearing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally, she went to court in.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, this. The way that they are addressed. Both people are saying a lot. Yeah, I'm gonna talk about the next person when you get to him.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So for the illegal sports betting, half of the scandal, gamblers used private info to bet on at least seven NBA games between March of 2023 and March of 2024 involving the Charlotte Hornets, Orlando Magic, Portland Trailblazers, Los Angeles Lakers, and Toronto Raptors. Former and current NBA players and coaches, including Terry Rose, Damon Jones leaked confidential information to the gamblers about upcoming NBA games and player performances. The resulting illegal bets at online sports books and in person casinos made hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[Paul Scheer]

So, so basically, like, Damon knows LeBron.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

And LeBron. And he's like, are you going to play tonight? And LeBron's like, Nah, I'm not gonna play. But that's not officially announced yet. So then he can go and say to everybody, lebron's out tonight. Bet against the Lakers.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like insider trading.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. Because he was, like, helping people. Like, we all know, like, parlays pay the best because they're almost impossible bets to get. So if you have a parlay like that with insider information, he was calling the homies and being like, hey, LeBron. Hey. How the wife? How the kids? How little. How little LeBron doing? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. How your knee doing? How. You know.

[Paul Scheer]

And so, like. And so they could make a bet before it's official.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The level of eye contact you just were making with me while you were doing that, I was like, this is. I feel very connected right now. And like, you're asking about my knee, and my knee does. Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Why you see should answer. I really.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It felt. I really felt like, give her that info.

[Paul Scheer]

Tell her. Tell her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I felt seen in that moment.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You think you gonna stay in the whole game? You gonna play the whole game? What about third quarter? What about the fourth?

[Paul Scheer]

Now, Damon. Damon was getting info about players for bets, but Terry threw games.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, Terry was actually. We're gonna get into that. But Terry was actually telling people. He was like, you know what? I'm gonna sit out the know I'm going to play this. Like, he was making the parlays even more specific, faking injuries. Like. Yeah. Which is even deeper inside of training because he's the one betting against.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's impacting. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And on SportsCenter, Shaquille O' Neal and. Or inside the NBA, Shaquille O' Neal, and Ernie. Yeah, they were talking about this. They were like, we love to bet. We bet on golf. We bet on, you know, the kids.

[Paul Scheer]

Michael Jordan, famously.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Football.

[Paul Scheer]

Allegedly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Allegedly. Big, big, big gambler, but man, too much gambling, honestly. But, like, so sis is dead. Oh, that's the whole.

[Paul Scheer]

That's the rumor, right? That's the whole rumor.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Even I know that rumor. I know nothing about sports.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you don't know the rumor, Michael Jordan, dad, Google it. I'm not going to say it on here. It's a little dark. But. Yeah, like, they all know you don't bet on the sports you play in. Like, that's a big no.

[Paul Scheer]

No. But you're watching Kevin Hart and LeBron James do Draft King commercials. Right? You're watching ESPN, and you're watching before he's coaching the Lakers. I'm forgetting his name right now. Former player. But, like, all these podcasts have, like, here's my fantasy betting line. Here's my betting line. These are the guys that you're watching. These are sports stars that are encouraging you to bet. Yes, it might be like fantasy, but they are. I wonder if you've ever seen. Look, LeBron is in DraftKing commercials. That's crazy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It does feel like betting has just become absolutely normalized in on your phone, which is dangerous.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, go. Go to the racetracks like they used to do.

[Paul Scheer]

And you're not getting a bookie.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Get a bookie like the olden days.

[Paul Scheer]

And you're not getting those coins out, because that's the whole thing these sites is run on. Yeah. You may go up, and you might be right, but you're not taking the money out. It's just like, you're putting more money in. It's just kind of sitting in a. It's just like a laundry machine. It's just like spinning around, spinning around, spinning around.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And they target young men. There's so many young men, like, college age, like, leaving high school, who are in debt from sports betting because they target the youth. They get influencers who do, like, comedy online and stuff to do DraftKings.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait a minute, Hang on. They're doing comedians. They're making deals with comedians.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, you get in there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'd love to. Can I send a headshot resume? Are they still seeing people?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Jason's on DraftKings.

[Paul Scheer]

Get in. Get in.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's like, guys, it's great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Hey, I'm betting on pickleball.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally, they're betting on anything. It's crazy. Like, I've seen advertisements that were like, please don't bet on our children's sports games.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, Little League. That's how thirsty they are today.

[Paul Scheer]

People have to keep themselves entertained. They need that. They need it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, this is part of the male loneliness epidemic, which is, you know, trading on that idea that, like, you spend all your time looking at sports information online. Now you're an expert. You could make money. You're gonna be rich.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I've said this before on this podcast, but I feel bad for the college athletes because they're betting on that, too. And then when college athletes have a Bad game or something happens. Like they're getting harassed online like, you fucked up my parlay, you da da da da.

[Paul Scheer]

It's the worst.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it's like, that's a kid, bro, by the way.

[Paul Scheer]

It's even sadder when it's just your fantasy team and it has no money attached to it. And people, like, harass players because their fantasy team went down. It's like, come on now, come on now.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

People don't have much to live for these days.

[Paul Scheer]

So what Terry is doing as a service.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, we love it. We love it. I'm gonna ask if you love it or hate it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

At the end, the society is over. So I guess everybody is really smashing and grabbing as much as they can.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know if it really started to be for real, but it's definitely having a break. It used to have a clean veneer, used to have a great facade, but.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now we're full of just big, big veneers.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. So Terry was specifically implicated for the March 2023 game between the Charlotte Hornets and the New Orleans Pelicans. He was playing for the Hornets at the time and pulled himself out of the game, like Paul said, as a part of a pre planned move. He played just 10 minutes before leaving the game with a foot injury.

[Paul Scheer]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Sportsbooks received $200,000 in wagers on prop bets for Terry, rebounds and assists. So a year later, the IRS placed a tax lien of $8 million on Terry, which hasn't been lifted. Terry was charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Maybe he was getting some of them pookie paintings. So Damon Jones, he has an interesting background, Right. He was an assistant coach for the Cavaliers in 2018. And he famously had an altercation with player J.R. smith in the Cavs lunch with Smith ended up throwing hot soup on Damon, basically because Damon wouldn't stop annoying him with pranks. Smith got a one game suspension. Take a page out of Madea's book. We're throwing hot grits. We're throwing hot soup on people. You know, creative.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So here's what I'm gonna say. You know, in these environments, I understand there's a social component to what they're doing. They're always around each other and so forth. No pranks.

[Paul Scheer]

I'm not interested in pranks. This is the thing. There's so many pranks. These are young guys. They gotta prank.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No pranks. No, no.

[Paul Scheer]

I think I've heard a great story about a very famous, arguably one of the Most famous, you put like a top 10 of basketball players would shit in magazines in the bathroom and close it up. And then when people go to the bathroom in like the locker room, they go, what's this? And open up the magazine and there'd be a piece of human shit in.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So this is a perfect example of a prank that I don't want to be happening.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's biohazard.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That is horrible. That is.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, Dwight Howard's famous for farting in people's faces.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that's gonna. Those people are gonna get pink eye and they're not gonna be able to play the next game.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Is this what men think pranks are?

[Paul Scheer]

Dwight Howard is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Dwight Howard has a history of doing some of the grossest pranks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Here's what I'll say. Unfunny people think that funny pranks is just being mean to us.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like being harmful.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, Horrible is like a stab prank.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like what?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. Yeah, that's my. Under your fingernails.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Played pranks. Sometimes in Ireland, we'll play pranks. I played a prank on Danny Pudi. He loves to drink a lot of water. And so he has the 10:1, you know, term to just mean use the restroom. But so, you know, I asked one of the Pas to come with me into his trailer because, like, you can't go into somebody else's trailer alone. Like, that's suspicious and weird. And so I was like, can you come with me because I'm gonna do a little prank. And so I found this like fuzzy blue monster mask because it was like around Halloween last time we were there. And I taped it to the head of his toilet seat and then put the toilet seat back down.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, so when he opened it, funny.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like a monster jumped out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, so when he opened it was like a little monster. That's funny.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a fun.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's a fun prank. I'm okay with that. That is a light hearted prank.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, it was funny. That to me in a magazine is insane.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's different. That's mean. That is like. That's hazing. That's cruel. That is. That's disgusting.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you poop in something and we gotta fight, like, I'm sorry, it's a fisticuff.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You. You know that I'm gonna talk to hr. Here's the deal. He made me handle his shit. I need to talk.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, that you can't because then you're rat.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm sorry, what then you're right. This is mob. Are you mobbed up?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So we have to continue He, I don't know if he's a mob or the feds now. We don't know what Paul has going on. So being a player and a coach for the Cavaliers is also how Damon got to know LeBron James. Damon later used his friendship with LeBron to place illegal bets on Lakers games in 2023. Damon revealed details on LeBron's injury before it was public info, asking his gambling associates to place bets on the opposing team, the Mil. The Milwaukee Bucks. Milwaukee again, not Cream City.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Fuck.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So his text said, get a big bet on Milwaukee tonight before the information is out, exclamation point. LeBron is out tonight. Bet enough so Jones can eat too now. Exclamation point, exclamation point. Why are you sending this via text, bro? Like, this is a crime. Why wouldn't you call? It's 2023 and you're sending texts like, hey, do the crime fast. It's a good night for doing crimes like, what are you doing?

[Paul Scheer]

People never think their phone's gonna get cut, Confiscated.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's insane. And so the Lakers lost the game against the Bucks by 115 to 106.

[Paul Scheer]

That someone else's phone will get confiscated and then your text will be on it. That's it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Or have we all not heard about the nebulous cloud? The cloud. Nobody really knows what it is, but everything stays forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, and if you think by doing illegal stuff, anybody in the government, anybody who would be investigating this, they have access to all of it. They have access to the cloud. They have access to everything.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Your deleted messages, like everything is forever. Don't put shit in writing. Go get a flip phone. I don't understand why Damon didn't go, you know, get one of them flip phones and no key.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, they're doing. They're doing mob. They're doing business with the mob. They don't have burners. I would think part of the fun would be going and getting a burner and being like, I've got a burner.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, get that burner. Use that burner. Bad stuff.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So since these crime rings involve both NBA players and Mafia families, there are lots of nicknames.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Colorful.

[Paul Scheer]

Get them, get them.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Get listed in the FBI indictment. Imagine your nickname in the indictment. Here are a few selected aka's from the documents. Jason smiling from ear to ear.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is the only. So funny. This is the only part of this story I have heard.

[Paul Scheer]

I love this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So Eric Earnest was also known as Spook.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Marvis Fairley, also known as Viz. Vezino and Vezino locks.

[Paul Scheer]

I would love that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. I don't know what he was doing. Doing with locks, but he was known as that. We have Shane Hennin, also known as Sugar. Damon Jones, also known as D. Jones or D. E E Jones. That's not very creative, Damon. You could have did better. What was a better name for Damon? Jones. Mon. Mon. Monma Jones.

[Paul Scheer]

I like Mon.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Heymon. Heymon. Yeah, I like that, too. We have Denise de Niro Laster, which, honestly, that name, you could have just kept mobbing with. De Niro. Laster. That sounds very mobby.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That feels mobby.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He went as Nero Peso or Peso.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I like that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, I like that. I like peso. I like Nero. Nero feels if somebody was like, nero's coming, I would be afraid.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I would be afraid.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Terry Rosette was known as scary Terry and chum.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All right. Because he was chumming the waters.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I love that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Huh?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Bringing it back to the se cops.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I. I mean, I. I hope there's some shark sheriffs around to make sure nothing gets out of control.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So if Terry's chum, he's the big.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

He's attracting. He's attracting the fish. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, they thought about that one.

[Paul Scheer]

I like that one. Chum is good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

They called him chum because you want to be Chum. He attracted the.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. And he did.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

He's the one that's on that had show up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Chomp.

[Paul Scheer]

Chomp. And when he showed up. Can I just say, when he showed up to trial, I think he sent a very. Or his arraignment, he sent a very clear message, which was he was wearing a hoodie. That was Rich Paul, who represents LeBron James and a lot of giant athletes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Paul Scheer]

He was wearing his sports agencies.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Is it Rich Paul with the dale?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wait, can we pull up those court looks, Jess?

[Paul Scheer]

But I thought that was a very damning thing to do. Like, basically, he's wearing Rich Paul's company's hoodie, which represents all athletes or the biggest athletes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So he's saying.

[Paul Scheer]

Here it is, like, so you see, I can see.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Is he trying to snitch on everybody and be like, everybody did it.

[Paul Scheer]

So he has a clutch sports group shirt on, which I think is sending a message like, y' all knew.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

So I'm not going down. You're going down with me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think I'm part of a larger. There was a bigger many hoodies you.

[Paul Scheer]

Could wear, but he chose the one he wears. The one. The Clutch Sports Group 1. That basically says y' all knew.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, and that's a threat.

[Paul Scheer]

That's a threat. I believe that is a threat.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's like, I'mma start singing like a canary if y' all don't. I believe that is Rob your judges and your lawmakers.

[Paul Scheer]

I believe he was like, you all knew. You may have gotten profited from this. You may have known. You may have been a part of this. Get out there, because I'll take down everyone.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it's also like, maybe your hands aren't clean, because if he's a smart criminal, he's got some receipts. So.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Especially if everybody's texting.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. Like, why are y' all texted in 2025?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, they're not even on, like, Signal or WhatsApp.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, Signal doesn't even help.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, the fucking government was using signals. Like, let's do the secret mission on signal.

[Paul Scheer]

Let's not go hard on the government.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. So Pete Hegseth's in the chat being like, the. The. We're. We're bombing the boats at 800, and I'm putting $10,000 on LeBron to drop.

[Paul Scheer]

Out in the second, thanks to my friend.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Mon. Mon.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Shots. Shots on Venezuela. Shots. Before Venezuela, everybody.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can you bet on America's wartime activities?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They literally are treating it like it's battleship. So if convicted, their fraud and money laundering indictment. Indictments, like, if they get convicted of these, these defendants could get decades behind bars. Sports betting has been around since the first Olympics in 7,776 BC before Christ.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, not before texting. That's the. That's the Greeks. The Greeks invented that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We had to roll it in a tablet.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

These are my people. We did it. We weren't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, Jason's back on board. The man Zookas jumped out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We made the Olympics happen. And everybody ruined it with betting. Ruined it with. And I bet back then. I bet back then, it was the Italian still, I think. I bet it was still the Italians. The organized the 700 BC version of the five families.

[Paul Scheer]

Vincenzo was up there doing it. Vinnie the Chin.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Apollo Famous. I don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

Apollo. Apollo.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know. But yeah, the sports betting apps like FanDuel and DraftKings have. Have a direct sponsorship deal. Like, they have direct sponsorship deals with top American sports leagues, which we've talked about, that are worth billions of dollars spread over years.

[Paul Scheer]

Here's what I'll say. There's also something that never was proven, and there's a lot of rumor about it. There's great podcasts about it. Refs are doing this in the NBA for a long time. And there's. Some of the refs are still. Actually some were indicted, some were not. Some are still reffing. This has been an organization that has had a lot of betting. And if like when I look at this I feel like when they knew the refs were doing it, they're like, we should do it too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

All right.

[Paul Scheer]

We should make some money too. Make some money on the side, you know? I don't know. I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Is this so wait, final thoughts here from both of you.

[Paul Scheer]

I love the way that they're doing these poker tables. We're talking about contacts and this is like James Bond level shit. Like it, like. And we're scamming rich people. You make me feel bad because now I go, well they're rich kids who are having a lot of money. Then that makes me feel bad. But if you're just, just scamming like rich people who are trying to find illegal places to bet to get more money, then like fuck them. Like, I'm like, you're like, you're like I need to get even more. I can't even do it in the casino system.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's like trickle down scamonomics.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, I love that.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Which is like, I feel like scams like this used to exist, have always existed, but just on a very thin margin, which was where illegal betting took place with, which was like we were saying if you had a bookie, if you had a connection, if you had a this, if you had a that. But now that betting has been democratized so much, right? The, the. It's such a wider group of people who can be scammed by the, the process of betting on sports and I guess everything else. So it hasn't everything. Now aren't we just prisoner to these kind of scams? As long as this kind of betting culture exists and is not just propped up but encouraged by the sports that are being bet on, isn't this just gonna proliferate continuously? Isn't this just the tip of the iceberg of some.

[Paul Scheer]

I guess I also think this, at the end of the day, this is a self like inflicted scam. You're trying to find an illegal thing to do. Like it's not like they, it wasn't like they went into people's houses and made them play cards with them.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right, Exactly.

[Paul Scheer]

You know what I'm saying? So it's like know you were trying to also scam and get some Extra money. Like, that's like, these are things that you're doing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You can't rob a bank with your homie, and then your homie takes all the money you robbed to be like, he robbed me from the bank robbery.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, they're.

[Paul Scheer]

They're doing something. I mean, and not to say that they. Anyone deserves it, obviously, but it's like, you're already doing something illegal and weird, and you get scammed in that. It's like, yeah, what do you think? They're rules. You're already doing an illegal thing. So you're saying, wait, they're. They're tricking me. What was that? If he told me the Venetian, I'd.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Be like, yeah, it's like.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It feels kind of elitist to me because you could have gambled on DraftKings or whatever the fuck you probably are hawking online, or you could have gone to the casino, but you want to go to a place where there are famous people, and it's exclusive and private and invite only and underground. It feels like how rich people always kind of shift this. The financial success indicators. Because, like, in the 80s, if you were wearing, like, a purse that had logos or if you're wearing clothing that had logos, that was a significant. Like, it was a sign of success, right? It was. Rich people would do that. But. But then now, because logos and brands and luxury brands have become more accessible, either being bootlegged or being, you know, resold or whatever, now rich people have moved to quiet luxury. So it's like, I have on a 800 hat, but you only know if, you know, type shit. So it's like, y' all couldn't. Y' all couldn't be with the normies at the casino no more. Y' all had to have an underground ring with celebrities.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, you probably, like, I lost. I lost a lot of money to terrorists here last night. You know, it's like, it's inside.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There's bragging rights on that front. And then there's the other side, which is helping your buddies get rich with the insider information, right?

[Paul Scheer]

And I can see them saying, look, look, the NBA fucked me over. I need more money. I'm broke, and I'm going to take it from the NBA. I mean, it's all, like. It's. It's a complicated thing. I mean, is it a good scam? It doesn't seem like they should have. They should have not have texted as much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like, yeah, their texting was.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Really where they fucked up.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It seems so dumb. And you know, sloppy is a.

[Paul Scheer]

And to Jason's point, this is happening in a high profile place, but that's. The whole thing is like, there's a lot of underground gambling going on. If they have this technology for these guys, they have it in those places too. The minute you walk into that thing, you have to imagine that there is.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I feel like once you know that the, the capabilities are there to cheat at this technological scale.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

How can you knowingly participate in that kind of gambling, that kind of sketchy, you know, gray area gambling, you know, basement level, high stakes, blah, blah, blah, without assuming I'm being scammed in some way?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, I do have to appreciate cheating innovation, though. You know what I mean?

[Paul Scheer]

That's what I'm saying. Like, let's appreciate the way they did it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The guy jobs of conning. Like, you know, he was like, what if I could make a table that could look at everybody's car? I mean, I don't know.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or the simplicity of. Wasn't there a guy in chess a couple of years ago who was wearing a vibrating butt pulled plug?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And he was getting messages sent to him from somebody you talked about. Oh, okay, okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It was like, Morris booty coat.

[Paul Scheer]

I love this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Exactly. So I'm like, the technology is there.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know what?

[Paul Scheer]

And kink.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love this. Yes, yes.

[Paul Scheer]

The.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The scam technology and the kink technology finally are finally coming together.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And we love that for us. All right, well, that brings us to the end of a very beautiful episode. Thank you so much for being here. We at the end of our show, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to plug? Obviously, if you're not already listening to how did this get made? Like, duh. But anything and everything, I'll shout out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm in season two of the Percy Jackson show that is airing currently on Disney, as well as the Netflix show Man on the Inside, Season 2, both of which are available now. Like you said, Paul and I and June Dayne Rayfield are off on the how did this get made podcast. And well, not for Nothing, Taskmaster Season 19 is entirely available on YouTube and is hilarious.

[Paul Scheer]

So good. I will plug the Dark Web, a show I do with rob people every week on YouTube. It's just a YouTube show. There's no podcast component. So there you go. Enjoy it. Free.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Love that. And as always, guys, you can find all the images from the show at Scam Goddess Pod. On Instagram. You can find me on Instagram at D I V A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. Going Dutch comes out 15th only on Fox. Watch the first season. If you haven't seen it already, my book Scam Goddess is available. Available audio and in hard copy book form everywhere you get your books or put your things in your ears. I am going on a little mini tour, guys, in the spring, starting in March.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Earlier you said you're playing your hometown and your mom is coming.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Does she come to every show?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, but she's come to a few. She was in New York the last time I did New York.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Will you bring her on stage? Is she someone.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She has come on stage in la.

[Paul Scheer]

Is she going to be here la.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When I did an LA show. Oh, she's fantastic on stage. Everyone loves her. She's like such a. She's such a magnetic force. I have the type. My mother like. I remember my first, like, TV acting role that was like, airing. My mom got on Facebook and she was like, hey, guys, tune in tonight on abc. You might see someone who looks like me.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, that's it.

[Paul Scheer]

That's good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, that's so perfect.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's a diva. She's a diva for sure. I made my Instagram diva Lacey and then all of a sudden my mom pops up with an Instagram and it's divalb. And I was like, man.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, I love it, I love it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love it, I love it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But she deserves. She's an icon.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

She's so cute.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She taught me everything that I know. How to throw parties, how to do anything.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's awesome.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So she'll be in Dallas if you guys want to meet her, which next.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Time we play D Dallas, she better call.

[Paul Scheer]

We'll give her a ticket. We will give her.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We will definitely let her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There'll be a ticket at the Boot at the will call for Diva lb.

[Paul Scheer]

Love it, Right?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's what you said, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She will show up for that congregation. Don't forget about trickle down scammonomics. Use it. Use it to your advantage, but don't text about it. Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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