The Hospice Hustlers w/ Matt Apodaca (Fraud Friday)

Summary

Scam Goddess: "The Hospice Hustlers" w/ Matt Apodaca – Fraud Friday (April 24, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Scam Goddess, hosted by the ever-hilarious Laci Mosley with guest comedian/podcaster Matt Apodaca, dives into the dark comedy of hospice fraud in America. Laci and Matt skewer the systemic rot allowing grifts in end-of-life care, sandwiched by signature Scam Goddess banter about everyday scams, white-collar crime, and the wildest listener-submitted capers. True crime meets sharp comedic commentary—no one (not even America's health system) is safe from Mosley's razor wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up & Scam Confessions (01:01–17:24)

Improv Origins & Comedy Banter

• Laci and Matt reminisce about their improv days in LA, poking fun at the embarrassing world of adult improv ("Grown adults with kids doing make believe mugs" [03:39, Mosley]).
• Hilariously dissect the "villainous" roommate who hated improv practice, teasing the art of being a “capital B, bitch” [04:52].

Relationship to Scams

• Laci quizzes Matt about his experience with scams—he rides the fence, admitting "I like hearing about them…from you, it's fun" [07:11, Apodaca].
• Recaps Matt's (reluctant) near-victimhood in classic small-time scams:
  • The Headlight Hustle: A conman at a gas station offers to “clean” his headlights—demands $60 after showing results on one, and guilt trips with a sob story ("my daughter is sick in the van" [12:32]). Matt gives up his last $20 [13:12], regretting: "Matt, why is one of your headlights spotless?...Matt, you got scammed" [13:04, Mosley].
  • Italian Bracelet Scam: Almost falls for a tourist trap in Europe ("Hey, big man" [15:01, Apodaca]) before his girlfriend steps in to save him.

Coping with Uncomfortable Situations

• Laci’s advice for avoiding persistent scammers: "Just start hollering…that’s the most jarring thing you can do" [13:47, Mosley].

2. What's Hot in Fraud (Listener Scam Story) (21:16–30:58)

"Sandy's Grocery Store Heist"

• Listener "Sandy" describes exploiting a self-checkout pilot called "Scan Bag Go."
• Sandy scans/pay for only 25%-50% of items, swipes the rest by removing anti-theft barcodes, amassing ~$4,000 in stolen groceries over a year ("That's not some, that's most…that's almost all of it" [25:28, Apodaca]).
• Laci and Matt roast the grocery industry's trust in wealthy white neighborhoods ("Assuming that white people don't steal when they got to…they're going to be the number one doing it" [22:48, Apodaca]).
• Playfully compare white-collar theft to cultural traditions: "People say white people don't have culture...It is actually stealing" [23:16, Mosley].
• Both co-sign using privilege for good: "If you're white, consider more theft…maybe donate some to a food bank" [23:42, Mosley & Apodaca].

Takeaway:
Mosley & Apodaca turn shoplifting into a Robin Hood-worthy, anti-corporate, social commentary—mocking store policies that turn customers into unpaid labor.

3. Historic Hoodwinks: The Hospice Hustlers (33:01–65:04)

Background: The Rise of Hospice Fraud

• Explores how charitable end-of-life care became a $22 billion for-profit behemoth ripe for government-funded scams.
• "With massive profits has come massive fraud…because you’re scamming the government. And the government is a scam" [35:15, Mosley].

Case Study: AceraCare Scheme

• Key Perpetrator: Marsha Farmer, who began as a "community educator" and quickly became a recruiter for AceraCare.
  • After acquisition by private equity (Beverly Enterprises), quotas for patient sign-ups skyrocket—even when not terminally ill [36:12–37:19].
  • Medicare pays out per patient certified to have <6 months to live, requiring two doctors' notes [37:19–37:57]. The business pushes to fill beds despite real need.
• Wild Recruitment Tactics:
  • Targeting “impoverished communities with low rates of education,” attending churches to poach names from “sick and shut-in” prayer lists [42:14–43:37].
  • Dressing in scrubs for deception: "No medical background…now she's wearing costumes" [43:31].
  • Bribing doctors with Vegas trips, bottle service, and outright kickbacks [46:09]: "I've never seen a more bribable face. And neck." [47:00, Mosley].
  • Luring vulnerable people with promises of comfort and perks: "free room and board…chef…drugs…it's the army recruitment pitch, but for dying" [44:34, Mosley & Apodaca].

Fraud Mechanics & Patient Harm

• Deceptive enrollments: Patients signed up without knowing hospice means losing access to curative care; denied ambulance rides and treatment, resulting in real suffering [49:09, Mosley].
• Booted alive: Those not dying “fast enough” are kicked out, losing even basic care ("In 2007, 70% of Marsha’s patients left hospice alive" [50:49]).
• Execs instruct staff to overdose overstaying patients—genuine acts of murder, yet light legal sentences ("Could you imagine texting somebody, 'Hey, make sure you do that murder tomorrow by 6' On text" [52:51, Mosley]).

Corrupt Courts: Justice System Disabled

• Trial is a farce: Judge Karen Bowdrey, whose son is a defense intern, overtly favors AceraCare—overturns jury verdict, reduces damages from $200 million to just $1 million [58:19–61:03].
  • "Judge Karen and Judge’s son. Y'all are terrible people. Every time you go out in the sun it should be like a magnifying glass—just sizzling" [65:09, Mosley].

The Wider Problem

• Explosive growth: From 2011 to 2019, private equity–owned hospices tripled; the sector rife with fictional patients and fake staff in CA ("now…just make them up" [61:42]).
• Death becomes a subscription service: Capitalism puts a price tag on dying itself ("Life is basically a streaming platform. And you can't cancel." [64:13, Mosley & Apodaca]).
• Mosley decries: "There’s no fucking way…this should be on the stock market…Private equity puts its price tag on it and just makes it the sickest shit in the fucking world." [63:59]

4. Scammer of the Week – Pokémon Cop (66:31–72:57)

• Former Kansas cop caught swapping barcodes to steal $400 worth of Pokémon cards; actually loses his badge ("They let murderers wholly come back…and you got fired for Pokémon cards" [71:25, Mosley]).
• Matt's ambivalence: "This is really just hard for me as a guy that hates cops and loves Pokemon." [67:48]
• Joke: If only the greater system responded to worse offenses with equal seriousness.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Improv Adulting:
  “Grown adults with kids doing make believe mugs. … We cannot be running around a coffee table.” [03:39, Mosley]

• On Everyday Scams:
  “If you ever need to get away from people, just make an excuse, get in your car, lock the doors, and drive away.” [13:24, Mosley]
  “Just start hollering. … Flailing and screaming until they go away.” [14:04]

• On Corporate Greed:
  “It’s expensive to die in America. It’s expensive to live in America.” [63:59, Mosley]

• On Systemic White Privilege in Theft:
  “White people steal ideas. That’s a cornerstone of their culture.” [22:54, Mosley]
  “People say white people don’t have culture. It is actually stealing.” [23:16, Mosley]

• On Hospice Business Model:
  “Why am I leaving all this old money over here just because we don’t need it?” [36:17, Mosley]

• On Outrageous Hospice Targeting:
  “Marsha would cruise around looking for rundown homes with wheelchair ramps or keep a church prayer list around to look for families with ill members.” [42:14]

• On Dubious Justice:
  “So five months later, Judge Karen awarded judgment to AceraCare without completing the trial. … Let’s just wrap this up. It’s taking too long.” [60:19, Mosley]

• On American Healthcare:
  “Life is basically a streaming platform. And you can’t cancel. And you need to have all of them.” [64:13]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:01–06:17: Childhood friendship, improv roots, and comedy about adult improv life
• 07:11–15:19: Matt’s stories—gas station headlight hustle, nearly scammed in Italy
• 21:16–30:58: Listener Sandy’s "Scan Bag Go" self-checkout theft saga & cultural commentary on shoplifting
• 33:01–65:04: Deep dive: “The Hospice Hustlers”—industry background, AceraCare case, recruitment scams, patient harm, court corruption, and system-level analysis
• 66:31–72:57: "Scammer of the Week": Pokémon-stealing cop gets fired (but not for the usual reasons)

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Tone & Style

• Unapologetically irreverent: Laci and Matt keep the proceedings funny, incisive, and unflinchingly political, even (especially) when the material is dark.
• Socially conscious: Comedy is wielded as a tool for critique, highlighting the human cost behind systemic fraud and the failures of both the justice system and capitalism.
• Relatable storytelling: From penny-ante gas station scams to billion-dollar hospice cons, the conversation always loops back to lived experience and the comedy of everyday life.

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Closing Message

Laci Mosley: “Congregation, stay sandying. Honestly. … Scam bag go!” [74:13, Mosley]

Matt Apodaca: “Follow this big man. Big man Playboy Matt Apodaca on all social medias.” [73:35]

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Matt Apodaca]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Matt Apodaca]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Matt Apodaca]

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[Lacey Mosley]

What's Poppin Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall and as always, stay scheming. Scams cun robbery and fraud scams. Cause Robbery and Frauds. Scam Goddess. What's poppin Congregation? It's a new year, right? New year, new me, new we. I'm playing. We gonna do the same damn thing, y'.

[Matt Apodaca]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

Welcome to Scam Goddess Podcast. The podcast all about fraud, robbery. Those who practice it. Maybe we love em, maybe we hate em. Let's hop on this fried and see together. And as all of you who have been with me through thick and thin, you know I'm very, yes. Excited. We have a friend on the show which y' all know tends to get messy. Friend of the friend on the show today we have the amazing writer and comedian. He's a UCB alum along with yours truly. We actually were on some teams at the cult together. He hosts and produces the podcast Get Played. Congregation, please welcome Matt Apodaca to the show.

[Matt Apodaca]

Hello. Wow. Can I just say, I just love your whole thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love your whole thing, Matt.

[Matt Apodaca]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You've been in the podcast game much longer than I have. You were just saying before we sat down that we've been doing this for a Long time. And now we're here.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, it's. I think it is safe to say we met in the year 2015. Would you agree?

[Lacey Mosley]

Or just when I moved to Los Angeles.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's right. Yeah. We met shortly after you got here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, very shortly.

[Matt Apodaca]

I remember us being placed on a mess hall team.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's like, no one's gonna know what that is. Matt, why would you even say that? Improv is so embarrass.

[Matt Apodaca]

So, yeah, like, every time it's ever been, like, depicted in, like, TV or movies and stuff, I'm always like, why'd they make it so embarrassing? And then it's like, oh, it's because it's like, the worst fucking thing you could do.

[Lacey Mosley]

And writers always hate it. If you ever see anything about improv, it's always. I remember there's, like, a Family Guy joke that was like, the only person who loses an improv is the audience.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, yes, yes. It's like. It's just so bad. But it's like, what we did and, you know, I mean, we still do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love how we're saying it in past tense because we just don't want you guys to know. We're like, it's trash. Why would anybody do that? Also, can I get a word?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's. It's. I would say at this point, for me, it seems like it's in the past tense based on how many shows they're asking me to do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Grown adults with kids doing. Make a mugs.

[Matt Apodaca]

Exactly. I know, but practicing in somebody's living room. We're all in our 30s.

[Lacey Mosley]

We've at least. We don't do the living room no more because we was like, this is just down bad. We cannot be running around a coffee table.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can't have your significant other coming into the room being like, are you guys done yet?

[Lacey Mosley]

That was always the worst. Yo. I had one roommate who, like, we hated each other, and we met. It was, like, circumstance, you know, that was when I first. I don't know if you ever practiced at my place, but one time, a couple times, we had to practice there, and she would come in all mad and shit, slamming all the fucking cabinets and shit and staring down the improv team. Just like, I've never seen somebody work so hard to make people uncomfortable. What a bitch. And she knew I was doing it. I asked to practice, and it wasn't all the time. It was only when we couldn't find somebody else's living room.

[Matt Apodaca]

Do you think it's because she had like banger initiations that she couldn't do. And then she's like, I'm not even on this team. But like, I could. I have a perfect tag for this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, there's a fine art to being a bitch. And she really perfected it. I never seen anybody just be such a bitch.

[Matt Apodaca]

So hard. I do agree with that.

[Lacey Mosley]

She came in with tactics.

[Matt Apodaca]

Sometimes when you see it happening, it is just sort of like, wow. Like actually no notes. That was fantastic.

[Lacey Mosley]

You are evil.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Wow. You're a capital B, bitch. Congratulations.

[Lacey Mosley]

Somebody gotta be a villain, you know, and wear great costumes and be in the Marvel univers, but just in real life.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it is very much just like it is a skill. Cause like, you have to sort of really, like, put everything else behind you and be like, I don't actually care how I seem.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

This is directly getting in the way of what I want. And I don't like that.

[Lacey Mosley]

When I come in the room and everything falls quiet cause they're talking about me, I'm like, I don't care.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. More exactly. Oh, I loved that.

[Lacey Mosley]

When people see me out in public and I see them hide behind a shelf because they don't want to take it.

[Matt Apodaca]

There are so many shelves in public that there are just people like hiding. Wait, there's not enough room behind this one. I gotta hide.

[Lacey Mosley]

We walk into a publix or something, everyone's like, is there an attack happening? Why is everyone like jumping and dodging behind the. Oh, no, that's just me. Everybody hates me. Don't worry. There is no active event happening. It's just me.

[Matt Apodaca]

But if I ever found out, if I ever found out anybody hated me, oh boy. Would ruin my life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, man.

[Matt Apodaca]

Ruin my life.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm somewhere on the Bitchkenzie scale. Cause I know there's people out there who hate me. I can't help it. Every now and then I just gotta cuss the motherfucker out. So we gonna end on bad terms.

[Matt Apodaca]

And that's.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the cancer and Aries in me. I'm so sorry.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, it's gotta happen sometimes. You're.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll tell you where to go and how to get there. I'm trying not to do it as often anymore, but sometimes. One time I used to be, I cause somebody out and got a standing ovation from a valet line that I didn't realize had been listening to every word. So, you know, sometimes. Yikes.

[Matt Apodaca]

That be happening everywhere she goes. Lacey's got a captive audience. We love it. Good or bad, we love it. But you can't stop looking at her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, God, no. Hopefully not that I'm trying to be incognigo. Just the most invisible negro. Ok. If I ever go missing, I want them to be like, she had nothing that lit up any room. We never knew she was there.

[Matt Apodaca]

Last seen wearing a cancel me daddy

[Lacey Mosley]

hat, Lacy was like a cool breeze. You felt it, but you never really knew.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's exactly what everyone would say. No one would ever say. She had the command of every room.

[Lacey Mosley]

She walked in, she was like, oh. We felt like she was here.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Like, oh, Lacy. Yeah, I guess I know who that is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. She loved eating chips, so we know she was in there touching chips.

[Matt Apodaca]

She loved chips.

[Lacey Mosley]

Dorito dust everywhere she went. But, Matt, we always love to ask on the show, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you love em? Do you hate em? It could be anything.

[Matt Apodaca]

I don't know if I love them or hate them. I do like hearing about them. So, like. Like, hearing about them from you is, like, fun and, like, I've always known that to be, like, your thing. And I would always be like, oh, Laci's got the mess. Let's go. I wanna hear more about this.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you're more of a voyeur. Like, if there was a scam sex party, like, you gonna be the one, like, walking past the rooms, like, what y' all doing in these?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, I'll be walking past all the rooms. I'm gonna be there for sure. First of all, I'm invited.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sex parties have hella pizza.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, wait, there's fucking cold ones.

[Lacey Mosley]

Here's a sexy food to me. I haven't personally been to one. I'm very curious. But my friends who, like, go to sex parties, like, there's always, for some reason, like, a lot of them have pizza.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can guarantee you I'll probably live the rest of my life never being invited to one and probably never being at one.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're not giving sex party vibes.

[Matt Apodaca]

I'm not giving that. Yeah. I'm always just like, wait, this starts when? 9:30. I'm in bed, dog.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a sex party at noon.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, yeah, yeah. People are at work.

[Lacey Mosley]

Could you imagine?

[Matt Apodaca]

Can I take the day off from work today? I have a dentist appointment.

[Lacey Mosley]

Matt, what are all those whips? What are you wearing?

[Matt Apodaca]

You know, I got a crazy dentist, but my relationship to scams, I've been scammed. Oh, I remember.

[Lacey Mosley]

I have to. When did you get scammed?

[Matt Apodaca]

I've been scammed. I've been almost scammed very recently. But I remember a particular instance. I was at the gas station.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, A lot of scams happened there.

[Matt Apodaca]

I was filling up my tank and filling up. I was putting, like, $20 in. I was like a broke college student.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you were moving that needle, like.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. I was like, okay, I gotta get a quarter tank. I gotta go two places before then. I could ride E again. I gotta go somewhere.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait. I don't wanna derail you. I drove. Remember when I ran out of gas and you saw me on the road? I drove past me on the middle of Sunset Boulevard.

[Matt Apodaca]

What are you doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, oh, so the gas is on? It was very much like, I know my car. And then I forgot.

[Matt Apodaca]

But it was also just sort of like, I would. At that time, I would sort of put knowing how much gas is in your car at, like, the bottom of your list.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it was very low priority.

[Matt Apodaca]

Like, look, it's either in there or it's not. I got things to do.

[Lacey Mosley]

So. I feel like I never get scammed at the gas station because you, like, see my car coming in on a tow truck or I'm never there. They're like, okay, we're not scamming her. Her car is literally being towed over here for gas.

[Matt Apodaca]

Is that a red can gets put in by somebody who drove to you to put it in? You get a boutique gas delivery.

[Lacey Mosley]

AAA gas. Okay. Which is not cheap. But that whole red can theory, that shit don't work on every car. Cause I tried that. I was like, let me go get a red pail like they do in the movies. And that shit was not going in.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can guarantee you, if I try to do that, I'm bursting into flames afterward. There's no way I'm doing anything.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just come up with three empty Gatorade bottles to the pump.

[Matt Apodaca]

Okay, well, this is Lacy. This is Mango Extremo. This is not gas. This is Kiwi strawberry. What do you mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, do you think 40 ounces of gas will get me enough? Cause I got my thermos.

[Matt Apodaca]

40 ounces? Yeah. You filled up a fucking hydro flask yet?

[Lacey Mosley]

Full of gas? Like, I got a funnel, but, okay, so you're at the gas station where a lot of scams happen and what haven't.

[Matt Apodaca]

And, like, I probably have $40 on me, period. And I'm using 20 to put in the gas tank. I'm also not using a card. I was like, I'm Paying in cash. Smart at the time. I feel like now I just. I can't remember the last time I had cash on me. You just don't do it anymore, Kind of. They told you not to. I guess during the pandemic, like, don't touch money. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cash had been full of cocaine and stripper booty hole for forever, and now they're like, there's a pandemic, guys. So don't touch money.

[Matt Apodaca]

Look, Fauci said it, ok? Don't take it from me. It was freaking Fauci.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, and the cdc, which just turned into vibes there.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, it's all vibes. But I'm at the gas station and this guy comes up to me. He's like, hey, like, your headlights, they're pretty dirty. And I could, like, clean those up for you pretty good. And I was sort of like, oh, you know what? I'm like in a rush. Which was like, not true. But I'm like, I don't want to talk to you about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're in a rush to get away from that man. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

And this is. I'll tell you this broad daylight as well.

[Lacey Mosley]

So how could he even tell how dirty your headlights are?

[Matt Apodaca]

Because they were like. I was driving a Jeep Cherokee.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lorraine, you were off roading, like, at a TV commercial.

[Matt Apodaca]

They were sort of like foggy, kind of like. Not like dirty dirty, but like, sort of like they. The glass had fogged up in such a way that, like, it was opaque, kind of like it wasn't, like, very clear.

[Lacey Mosley]

So when you were driving at night, were your headlights giving, like, lo fi.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, I was sort of giving, like, it follows when I was driving, like, sort of like 824 lighting on the.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we don't want. We don't want mood lights on the road, man. Okay, maybe homeboy had a point.

[Matt Apodaca]

And so he was like, I could just. Let me just show you one. Can I just show you one? I'll clean one up and if you like it, you can pay me. And I was like, okay, if you're just gonna do one, do it. I guess, like, very 90s. My big mistake.

[Lacey Mosley]

Problematic crackhead in a movie, I would say he was Thanksgiving Friday.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can't remember, like, what kind of man he was, but he was like, he seemed like a normal man. Like, that's why I was sort of like, I guess willing to go the one step further with this guy. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, there's one light. Let me touch on one light.

[Matt Apodaca]

Let me do one. Just the tip. Cause he was sort of. I think he was giving sort of Billy Mays kind of where I was sort of like, okay, so he might have been shamwowing. I thought so. I thought that was gonna get shamwowed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Matt Apodaca]

And.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so what happened?

[Matt Apodaca]

So he. He cleans one off. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's cool. He's like, okay, it's gonna be $60 if I do the other one. I was like, okay, well, I'm not gonna do that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, then I'm gonna have one good life.

[Matt Apodaca]

I was like, okay, no, thanks. That's a little too much. And he was trying to get me down to the price. And he was like, okay, my daughter's in the van over there, and she's sick and she wants food. And I was like, okay, I know this isn't true, like, in my head. But I also know that this man is not gonna leave me alone.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's why you gotta hop in the car, like, on some Scooby Doo shit.

[Matt Apodaca]

I reached it to my wallet and gave him $20.

[Lacey Mosley]

All you had was 40. I know.

[Matt Apodaca]

And I used 20 of it on gas. I had no money. I went home.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. Wow. See, why you ain't hit him back? Like, this is the only 20 that I got.

[Matt Apodaca]

Mr. Sir, cut to me coming home. Matt, why is one of your headlights spotless? I gotta tell everybody. They're like, matt, you got scammed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so he didn't even give you the other headlight after you gave him the 21.

[Matt Apodaca]

He only did the one.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, that's. Okay. Okay, in the future, guys, when y' all need to get away from people, just make an excuse. Matt, if you a guy in your car and be like, oh, you know what? Let me get some more cash. Get in your car, lock the doors.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's good.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then just, like, drive away.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, no, I absolutely should have done that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause he might have gotten hostile. So you're right to like.

[Matt Apodaca]

I was like, here's. But also, I was like, I guess you could have taken my whole wallet if you wanted. But it was during the day, and it was at a gas station in a big parking lot where there's a grocery store and a bunch of cameras and stuff. So it was just sort of like, I felt safe to give the last money that I had.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, Your other option, Ms. Gam, is just start hollering.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what is. I think that's, like, the most jarring thing you can do sometimes. Like, no, my daughter's sick in the car. She needs a 60 and I already cleaned one.

[Matt Apodaca]

Go full Kermit. Just start throwing my arms in the air.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just start flailing and screaming until they go away. Like, what's the response to that? How does anyone humanly respond to someone

[Matt Apodaca]

who just starts shrieking, oh, shoot, this guy's going crazy. I better get out of here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, go full Talladega Nights. Help me, Oprah. Help me, Tom Cruise.

[Matt Apodaca]

Like, actually, sir, you said you were gonna give me that $20, though. Like, no one's gonna be, like, following up with this man.

[Lacey Mosley]

But the 20. Hey, hey.

[Matt Apodaca]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just starts screaming and flailing.

[Matt Apodaca]

But then when I was in Italy recently, these people, they come. I was prepared for this, too. I was told I'd never been to Europe before.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, the Europe girlies are going to rob you. They can tell who the out of towners are. And they're coming.

[Matt Apodaca]

They were. So I was prepped. My. My girlfriend's dad is English, and they've been to Europe a lot. And I'd never been out of the country before. And so they both prepped me. Hey, there's going to be people. They're going to come up to you. They're going to put a bracelet on your wrist. Don't do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've heard of this one.

[Matt Apodaca]

And I was like, okay. I get there, first day, some guy in, like, a. Like, the square. Like, in front of a church. Hey, big man. I was like, what's up, man?

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Matt Apodaca]

I start talking to this guy Matt. Did he give you this?

[Lacey Mosley]

Did he scam you? Because he called you big man.

[Matt Apodaca]

He almost did. He had the bracelet on my wrist.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was it height flattery, Matt?

[Matt Apodaca]

It was. Well. And then later on that same day, a different guy, he said, big man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Me, My big ass.

[Matt Apodaca]

I got called Big man and Playboy in the same day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, shit. Okay, they got you. They said, Mr. Sexy.

[Matt Apodaca]

Misty said, Me, I was walking on cl. I was like, these Europeans then.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did you get scammed? Cause it sounds like they made you feel good.

[Matt Apodaca]

No. Well, that's the thing. I was like, hey, they gave me a compliment. What's the worst that could happen? But my girlfriend came over and was like, no, no, no, no. He doesn't want this. And took the bracelet off my wrist and gave it back to him. Cause we saw it happening to other people, too. And we were just like, oh, wow. And so we started reading about the sort of, like, tourism scams that you can run into. And so I was prepared for some other ones along the way that I didn't participate in.

[Lacey Mosley]

But it's Almost like. Like, you know when the Dare Dog was being like, say no to drugs. And we was like, hell no. Them drugs. Anybody try to give me drugs, I'm gonna stab them.

[Matt Apodaca]

Like, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then, you know, somebody offer you some drugs. Like, y' all look like y' all having fun.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, you guys are having, like, the chillest, nicest time.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me just have a taste of the drugs.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is gonna, like, make me want to, like, I don't know, dance, Dance, or, like, laugh a lot with my friends, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

What is this, Week One weed, please.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, I can go to sleep right now. Gimme that.

[Lacey Mosley]

And the darelayer was just like, fuck, man. Like, I prepared y' all for this.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

In the moment, sometimes things are different, especially when someone's in your physical space.

[Matt Apodaca]

They gotta change that whole program to be like, hey, you know which ones we're talking about, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, come on. Like, let's be for real. Like, weed is a gateway. Come on, now. It ain't gateway. Me to nothing.

[Matt Apodaca]

Do what you're gonna do. But, you know, the ones we're saying are better.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Crack.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Come on. Has that ever even sounded good? Like, hey, y' all come over. We got so much crack. Like, you know, if you be like, oh, we got bottles, we'll be like, oh, yeah, we just pop them. But, you know, yeah, y' all come over. We got all the needles. No, that doesn't sound as good if

[Matt Apodaca]

you can find it in a gutter. Like, a paraphernalia. Like, no one's dropping their. Like, their one hitter or, like, their, like, bong in, like, leaving that discarded somewhere. If you've seen this on the street somewhere, you don't want to do that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's the ones you don't want to try because, like, why are people doing them in the streets and not at home?

[Matt Apodaca]

The urgency, too, you know? But I've seen NAS canisters in the streets, so maybe that's not a fair judgment.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's true. That's very true. But, yeah, so at least you're prepared for the European scams. And I'm glad that you had an advocate there who could help you if not the screaming technique, y', all. I'm telling you, try it, right?

[Matt Apodaca]

I think I want to hear. I want to hear about people doing this. I want to hear about people being like. And I just started screaming.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I think. I think it's a tactic that works.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, how about Sandy?

[Lacey Mosley]

Sandy. Oh, I think that's a perfect name for this person. So Sandy says that this is their grocery store scam. So one of the big grocery chains loves to do pilot programs at my local store. Probably because it's a newer location in a wealthy white area. Damned. And I guess they trust white people when no one should. Question mark. That's what Sandy. I'm dead.

[Matt Apodaca]

Uh, oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this new program says that they created was called Scan Bag Go. You take a little handheld scanner from a kiosk by the door and scan items before putting them straight into your bag. At the end of your shopping excursion, you would scan a barcode at self checkout where it would populate a list of items you scanned. Then you'd pay and leave. Hence, Scan Bag Go. Yeah, so I imagine this is gonna turn into Scam Bag Go real fast. Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

Or Bag Go.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're missing the scan that they gonna have. Oh, you got a scam for you Bad, though.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, I didn't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ah. Oh, I didn't read that.

[Matt Apodaca]

The sign was obscured.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I just read Bad Go. Yeah, so I put everything in my bag and I left.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like y' all had wanted.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, I love that grocery stores continue to try to scam us as consumers by making us employees when we come to the grocery store, hey, I know

[Matt Apodaca]

you're shopping here, but you work here

[Lacey Mosley]

now with a few.

[Matt Apodaca]

You want a job?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, no, I don't. Well, guess what? You have one, bitch. Yeah, you want these? You want this hammer and all?

[Matt Apodaca]

And it's also like, they're trying this out in a white. Like at a white store.

[Lacey Mosley]

Assuming that white people don't steal when they got to the.

[Matt Apodaca]

They're gonna be the number one doing it. They're gonna be the number one people doing this. You'll never catch a person of color doing it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because white people were stealing people. White people steal ideas. White people, that's. That's a cornerstone of their culture. Honestly, just like how, you know, indigenous people. People don't want people wearing their garb, you know, at Halloween, you know, we also should not be robbers. Cause that's white culture.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We actually shouldn't be doing that. Yeah. You know, people say white people don't have culture. It is actually stealing. Yeah, it's them.

[Lacey Mosley]

They have. What do you call museums. That's where they put all their loot.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

They like a lot of shit that we stole.

[Matt Apodaca]

But like, I also just feel like I work. I mean, I worked at a grocery store and loss prevention, let me tell you something, is never looking at white people so they can get away with it scot free. They don't need this program.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Which is wild. They could really go in and just bag and go like, they're like, la, la, la. They doing that at every store.

[Matt Apodaca]

What I'm saying is you gotta try this in a different neighborhood and then see, the program will be a success.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you're white, consider more theft. I mean, you might as well use your privilege.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, I feel like maybe donate some

[Lacey Mosley]

to a food bank, you know, really even it out in the world.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, we should really be encouraging white people to like, really be stepping in. They got white theft lore.

[Lacey Mosley]

What is Robin Hood? That's lore.

[Matt Apodaca]

It's lore that Fox was white. We know it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So obviously they're not looking at the Caucasian girlies when they're coming into the store. So when this program was going on, I was broke as shit and I could barely afford to exist. Working at a nonprofit is also a scam. Yes, I know that, Sandy. So Sandy says, I'll walk to the grocery store. So I use a hand cart. With wheels to carry my groceries. Back home, I regularly use self checkout because baggers don't know how to pack my bag correctly without giving me a bajillion extra. Okay, listen, Sandy, go to the grocery store. She said I have particular ways.

[Matt Apodaca]

I have a particular set of skills.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, she said the eggs on the bottom and the bread on top of the eggs and stop fucking with me.

[Matt Apodaca]

And eggs on the bottom. That's it. Yeah, like I'm not. You think there's a can going in the bag on top of the eggs? Think again, bitch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ah. Beat your ass, Santa. Just constantly fighting at the checkout.

[Matt Apodaca]

That was a two bagger. You wanted to put that there. Guess what? I was speaking to your manager, babe.

[Lacey Mosley]

You put my cold milk next to my hot rotisserie chicken.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet you this ice cream's going by the rotisserie chicken. I didn't have a new one. That's like the hottest thing you could get there.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is like the hottest thing you could get in a grocery store. What else is coming out smoking hot at a grocery store?

[Matt Apodaca]

Those tenders aren't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nah, the corn. Oh, no, never that. So I liked the scan bag go program because I could pack my bag once I had shopped and I didn't have to take ages at the self checkout. So I figured out since no one had checked you, if you scanned everything in your bag, I could just scan a few items and then put them in my hand card and ignore the rest. On average, I would skip roughly 50 to 60% of my groceries.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's not some. That's not some. That's most.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's most. Sandy. Sandy. The math is not math. Then I just do some.

[Matt Apodaca]

I just do some. Almost all of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just do a little bit. Just like whatever I could carry, you know, just a little tape. That's all. Sandy, I love you. I love the presentation of this. You're a scammer. Even how you wrote this. Uh, Sandy said. Then she said sometimes 75%.

[Matt Apodaca]

Okay, that's a. Where I'm from, that's a B minus. That's almost all of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also Sandy. Okay, but Sandy says that always the expensive items, and I'd walk out without anyone stopping me. So if you can make your volume stuff, the stuff you pay for and

[Matt Apodaca]

then the expensive stuff, the loss leaders can get taken. Yeah, the rotisserie chicken not getting scammed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause it's like, did y' all see Sandy walked out of here? She paid 8.99 and she had a full cart.

[Matt Apodaca]

I think I saw a turkey in there. A whole turkey.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know. A turkey on its own is more than $8.99. Yeah, I mean, let me see. Look, Sandy was white. So we will be asking no questions.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, no, hey, I'm minding my business.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, Truly, didn't see a damn thing. Didn't see a thing. So some expensive items like protein powder have a metallic barcode sticker to trigger an alarm to get around this. I'd pretend I was really considering the items while I peeled off the barcode and stuck it to the shelf.

[Matt Apodaca]

So this is going a step further than not. This was premeditated theft. Okay, I'm gonna steal this.

[Lacey Mosley]

We're gonna appropriate this because, Sandy, you onto some shit. Also, I love that she was standing in the store like, whey metabolic whey creatine. As she slowly peels off the label, she's like, let me read more. Cause she pulling out her glasses.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah. Getting her readers out.

[Lacey Mosley]

Getting the readers out. Yeah. You know, Sandy got some fold up able readers. She pulling out.

[Matt Apodaca]

Like, what is in this?

[Lacey Mosley]

Huh? Ah, interesting. They're like, Sandy really cares about her health. She be reading all the labels. She steals them. So they discontinued the program after a little over a year, probably because people were stealing so much and a little over people. Sandy, I think you killed this program.

[Matt Apodaca]

You ended the program.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think it was you. Cause you just told us that you were stealing 75% of what you.

[Matt Apodaca]

75%. You might as well. It's so much. What stopped you from going to 80?

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly, Sandy, this point, why don't you just start? You know, some of the shelves got wheels. Just roll the whole motherfucking shelf out, bitch.

[Matt Apodaca]

Well, I guess the program's discontinued. I was gonna say one last score. Go for 100%. I think you can do it. If you can do 75%, you can do all of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sandy, I know that you just got the vibe of, like, an elegant white lady. Like you said, you work at nonprofit. It's Winona, right? It's Winona.

[Matt Apodaca]

And she did nothing wrong, by the way.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, she didn't. She was having fun. And Winona has been working since she was a child. She deserves to steal from high end stores. Y' all should give Winona that stuff.

[Matt Apodaca]

They made her the face of the campaign after that.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I'm so sad for Winona because she. That whole thing happened during a tabloid time where people were so bored that, like, it was a story for months and months and months. If Winona went and hit up Saks right now and rolled out with a cart of Louboutins. Nobody would care. The news cycle is so fast. If you're listening, get back in the game.

[Matt Apodaca]

You can do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, no, no. Get out in these streets. Okay? Start saying no to purchasing again.

[Matt Apodaca]

And say yes. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, and say yes. Yes. We'll support you. I'll be at the march. I will make signs.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can't pay your bail because I bet you would be really expensive for a second offense. But I will contribute to the GoFundMe.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I will contribute to the person who needs it the least.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, a rich white lady.

[Lacey Mosley]

We will give it to you just for the thriller.

[Matt Apodaca]

Well, put me in the dock.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they discontinued the program. Yeah, after you discontinued it, Sandy. But I love that for you. Probably because people were stealing so much. Probably in a little over a year, I think I stole close to $4,000 worth of groceries, including kitchen gadgets, a 25 piece Rubbermaid set, and a new toaster.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's. This is. This has gone.

[Lacey Mosley]

She got a toaster. A toaster.

[Matt Apodaca]

This is a misdemeanor event.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, I got six neutral billets,

[Matt Apodaca]

a 25 piece Rubbermaid.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, people, first of all, Tupperware should be free. The way we all steal it and use it, it's just like a communicable resource. It's just like a road. You know, we all take it from other people and we all give it away and never see it again.

[Matt Apodaca]

The only place doing this, Thai restaurants, they're giving you pretty solid, durable.

[Lacey Mosley]

They know the vibes.

[Matt Apodaca]

They know, they're like, hey, you're gonna use this again. Just wash it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just wash it, babe.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, don't put it in the dishwasher, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause then it's gonna get that color stain on it.

[Matt Apodaca]

It's gonna shrink a little bit. Yeah, it's not gonna quite. I could keep it as fresh, but you wanna use this as a couple times.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just hand wash it. We got you, boy. At the tie spot.

[Matt Apodaca]

Your girlfriend's gonna throw it away and you're not gonna notice.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. That's why I get all my rubber made the tie. Sweet place. So now the grocery store has cameras above the self. Checkout that look at your bag to see if you're stealing a hater move if I've ever seen one. Can I just say, Sandy, I ain't never seen anybody case a motherfuckin grocery store like you. You done found out about the barcode before you walk out the door you know that they put in new cameras.

[Matt Apodaca]

Is this one of the characters from Good Girls?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's giving Good Girls. I feel like Sandy gonna be like, update. I robbed the grocery store. Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Wait, is this Emily the criminal writing?

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally. So it says grocery stores have a built in budget for theft and this is a mega corpse. I had absolutely zero guilt doing it and frankly, I'd do it again. Pay your employees more and stop putting baby formula behind lock and key. Fuck the man and stay scheming. Now I wish you made absolute points now. One of the points not being to stop putting the baby formula behind lock and key. Cause you go steal.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah. And not because you have a baby. You want it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

Right now I taste it. I had everything else in the store. I'm gonna mix some of this up.

[Lacey Mosley]

She just delished high ticket items for fun. It's Supermarket Sweep at this point. She's like, let me get the dog. She wants her baba, right? I don't even got a dog. But I just want to take the most expensive shit y' all got for high end cheeses. Like, I'm lactose intolerant.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, I want that wheel of Brie back there.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I will say formula shouldn't be under lock and key.

[Matt Apodaca]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

If people need to steal formula, let them steal it. They're stealing it for an unemployed baby, like, what the fuck? A mess. Robbery.

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[Matt Apodaca]

Also, by the way, I feel like we were roasting Sandy pretty hard.

[Lacey Mosley]

We love you, Sandy.

[Matt Apodaca]

We love you, Sandy.

[Lacey Mosley]

No Sandy. We're in on it and we.

[Matt Apodaca]

But you know what you did, you

[Lacey Mosley]

know what you did and we love what you did. So much of this research comes from the story Ava Kaufman's New Yorker investigation, which was titled How Hospice Became a For Profit Hustle. And obviously like hospice is, we're talking about people getting end of life care. So this is a sensitive subject. But when we get into this, y', all, what this lady was doing, you'll see how hilarious this is.

[Matt Apodaca]

We're gonna laugh.

[Lacey Mosley]

We are gonna laugh. We are gonna laugh in the face of death, which is what we do every day living in America.

[Matt Apodaca]

Thank you Very much. It's a joke to be alive.

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly. I laugh. I'm like, wow, I made it another day. Woo. They tried. As Miley Cyrus once said, they tried to kill your favorite bitch. Okay. And they try every day. Since the opening of the first American hospice facility in Connecticut in 1974, hospice care has grown from a series of charities to a $22 billion industry funded almost entirely by taxpayer money. But with such massive profits has come massive fraud. Duh. With only a handful of whistleblowers that stand against it. Because you're scamming the government. And the government is a scam.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. And I feel like societally the last people that people care about are like old people unfortunately.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Or people who are in their last days being comfortable. I just feel like it's hard to get people ramped up to be like, they over there doing fraud. It's like nobody's gonna. Yeah. We're not walking. That's like walking into St. Jude's and being like, we're out of the way kids. We got fraud to the. It's like that with the.

[Matt Apodaca]

You know, they're not doing it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Whatever they doing over there. As long as people being taken care of. Weird. It's none of my business.

[Matt Apodaca]

Take care only. That's all I want to hear about. Drake style.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Asara Care is what we're talking about today. So Marsha Farmer entered the hospice care business in 2002 as a community educator in parentheses, who taught and marketed to potential patients about the benefits of end of life care. Within a year, she became an executive director of her local office of hospice in South Monroeville, Alabama. However, what might have become as a virtuous calling changed in 2004.

[Matt Apodaca]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Only two years.

[Matt Apodaca]

She saw that she was leaving money on the table. Probably.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait a damn minute.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can have this, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Why I'm leaving all this old money over here just because we don't need it. So when Hospice south was bought by Beverly Enterprises. Beverly Enterprise don't sound like a place that's doing anything right for the world.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's like a fake. That's like, I could have made that up. It's not real.

[Lacey Mosley]

When rich moneybags purchased. Acquired Hospice South. Yeah. We know what's about to happen. Beverly Enterprises. That don't sound godly at all.

[Matt Apodaca]

Shell corporation ass.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Oh, venture capital ass. Bitch ass. We know what's happening. So the second largest nursing home chain in the country and soon after resold it to a private equity firm. Wow. We were right on it.

[Matt Apodaca]

Not the pe Edit out my shocked

[Lacey Mosley]

noise Take it back. So it was rebranded as Acera Care. Almost immediately after the takeover, Marsha's bosses increased the goals for the number of new patients that they had to sign up. Cause of course, they're like, we gotta get in the black. Okay. We need to get the six in here.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. I'm not seeing enough. Six. These are empty beds. Why is no one coding right now?

[Matt Apodaca]

A PowerPoint.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get the money up.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, we need a. We need more sick people here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So, important note. Normally eligible hospice patients qualify by being certified by two doctors that they have less than six months to live and agree to forego curative care. So Medicare reimbursed them not for the amount of care expended, but per patient. So basically, they're saying, like, you have to have two notes that say that you are approaching the end of life, and then they will. And that you're no longer pursuing, like, medical treatment. And then they. They'll just pay you out, man.

[Matt Apodaca]

Two notes?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Not just one. You got to go. Two doctors.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

I mean.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, because Medicare is not trying to give out the coins.

[Matt Apodaca]

No, but.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they're going to force you to get a second opinion.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So if you ever thought you needed a second opinion, Medicare is telling you right now, like, go to. I. I get. I get second opinion.

[Matt Apodaca]

I don't want to hear it. If you only got one, which is

[Lacey Mosley]

a mess, I could be like, this ain't enough.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, you're dying. Talk to somebody else. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you sure it's not giving. It's not giving caskets. So go ask. It's like, Medicare is so disgusting. So that meant that an increased number of patients didn't massively affect their overhead, as most hospice care took place at home between visiting nurses and unpaid family. So employees who met quotas received cash bonuses and perks such as popcorn machines and massage chairs. Imagine getting a popcorn machine.

[Matt Apodaca]

I tell you, he needs both those things, Sandy. He's fucking sick people.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Why is that? Not getting the massage chairs and the popcorn machines.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's who it should be going to.

[Matt Apodaca]

Little treat.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, at some point, we all gonna have to meet, you know?

[Matt Apodaca]

Not me, Sky.

[Lacey Mosley]

Daddy. Yeah, not me.

[Matt Apodaca]

Can't get me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can't get me.

[Matt Apodaca]

Find out. See what happens. Oh, you think I'm gonna die? Nice try.

[Lacey Mosley]

So those. But, you know, it's like, we wanna do it in a comfortable way or whatever.

[Matt Apodaca]

If we're lucky enough to be in, like, respect and. Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

And care you know what I mean? So Marsha remembers feeling so frustrated and pressured about meeting numbers that she calculated how many people in her region might be expected to die that year. Because what happened was if you didn't meet the quotas, you were fired.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You would turn your door to door if you didn't find the terminally ill. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

Doing like a. Hey, so, like, how are your needs?

[Lacey Mosley]

So now she's starting to look at the CDC numbers and she's like, okay, how many. Where are they dying?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, can I get a copy of the census? I want to see how many people over the age 65 live in my area.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what I mean? So not only were there not enough people dying in her territory, they weren't dying fast enough.

[Matt Apodaca]

Did she become like an eco terrorist or something? And she's like, I'm putting stuff in the water to like, Sandy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just pulling up with a dump truck of just all the chemicals, all the Chinese lead.

[Matt Apodaca]

Let's beat this shit up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, we got fluoride. Mm. Mm. We put straight lead in the water. Okay. No, we gotta get these girls dead. What is this? People living. I saw people at the park yesterday looking like, healthy as this is up.

[Matt Apodaca]

Hey, Gladus, I got you a special water.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why did you keep dropping off special water? And it tastes like, very rat poisony. Yeah, I saw her shaking it in the cart. She said it was just Dasani flavor,

[Matt Apodaca]

but I was like, I sneeze blood and only taste metal, so I don't know what's going on.

[Lacey Mosley]

But Dasani do taste like rat boys, so I'm a drinky.

[Matt Apodaca]

So actually, she didn't have to even do anything. She just gave him Dasani.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was her plan.

[Matt Apodaca]

Unless they're a sponsor.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love. Dasani is delicious, y'. All. Y' all really should put it in your mouth.

[Matt Apodaca]

Do you notice how it gets colder than the other water?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah. And just so much flavor.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I had never tasted earth before. Like, when you taste Dasani.

[Matt Apodaca]

I had one sip of Dasani in the desert and it's all I needed

[Lacey Mosley]

for a month extra hydration. So we love you, Coca Cola. So if a patient might not actually die within the six month window, Medicare can demand a repayment from facilities where the average patient stays is longer than six months. So now you have this weird ass thing with Medicare where they're calling like, hey, y', all, we just wanna check on Ms. Gladys. Cause we heard she was alive. Somebody got a birthday call and we was like, how's she sending that from the upper Room.

[Matt Apodaca]

You said you were dying. What are you doing here?

[Lacey Mosley]

What are you doing here on earth?

[Matt Apodaca]

And her bed's still full.

[Lacey Mosley]

What are you doing here on Earth? Yeah, you told us you was leaving.

[Matt Apodaca]

Hey, I saw that hole over there is fucking empty. Hello?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's Les from Cigna. Yeah, you picked up. That's the problem. Yeah, that's essentially the problem, isn't it?

[Matt Apodaca]

I was calling to say, why the fuck did you answer?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what the fuck, yo, Our healthcare system is fucked.

[Matt Apodaca]

It's so bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

So bad. So recruiting. Marsha found her own solution. Was it murdering people? What is your own solution to getting more dead people? And along with her colleagues began recruiting patients regardless of whether they were near death or not. In the Deep south, they often targeted impoverished communities with low rates of education. Wow. So now you're coming for people who likely don't have money, don't have a lot of options. Perhaps are people of color like, we know what you're doing. So Marsha would cruise around looking for rundown homes with wheelchair ramps or keep a church prayer list around to look for families with ill members. Oh my God, Marsha. Not the sick and shut in list. Marsha was going to church services. And this, I'm Baptist, so we have the sick and shut in list.

[Matt Apodaca]

I know what this is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Where you pray for these people or you visit their homes or you bring them food. She going to every church. Like, let me get a program. Is this up to date? Is this all the Sikhs and the shut ins?

[Matt Apodaca]

You're not doing a repeat of to last week's, are ya?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause I don't know.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, okay. Cause a few of the people who

[Lacey Mosley]

were on this list was on here last week and it just seemed like I don't know how sick or shut in they are.

[Matt Apodaca]

You got a Google Doc or like a Google sheet or something? Here's my business card.

[Lacey Mosley]

Who does the submissions? Could I get copied on the shut in list?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me just get in with the announcements. Praise him. Yeah, no praise. I will take a Martin Luther King fan.

[Matt Apodaca]

I'll buy an ad on the thing or whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, thank you so much.

[Matt Apodaca]

Here's a hard cake I brought for the hard cake.

[Lacey Mosley]

Little pound cake from the grocery store that I definitely did not steal. Okay. I scanned it and left. So she'd show up to especially run down houses and knock on the door in scrubs despite not having any medical background. Now she's wearing costumes. As she says in quotes, I would automatically be seen as help. You're looking for uneducated people, if you will, because you're able to provide something to them and meet a need. So she was looking for the desperation meter we talk about on here. People who really need this kind of stuff. Cause ain't nobody. Like, if somebody showed up in my house and some damn scrubs look like a fake ass. Grey's Anatomy Extra. Talk about some. You want to go to hospice? I'd be like, bitch, if you don't get off my damn door sign.

[Matt Apodaca]

Not today. You're not going to get me. What are you even doing here?

[Lacey Mosley]

Babe, Babe, I'm full of life.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Don't you see? I can do a backflip right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can do a flip. This is our. We don't have good measurements for what full of life means.

[Matt Apodaca]

Which.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because, you know, who could say. Who could say.

[Matt Apodaca]

Who could say on their last day could do the most magnificent flip you've ever seen?

[Lacey Mosley]

And it happened. We don't know.

[Matt Apodaca]

We don't have the language for it,

[Lacey Mosley]

but, you know, each day is a blessing. So we're trying to keep it light, y'. All. Cause this is fun, but also sad, so. And then she would describe comparatively luxurious government benefits before finishing her pitch to make them seem like it was like, a quick decision. So she's described as like, hey, do you want free room and board and games and entertainment and a chef that cooks for you 24 7. And television. And the best beds around the care. Medical supervision.

[Matt Apodaca]

Singles, too. There's singles there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Drugs. All the drugs.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, they're giving them the straight out of high school go army treatment, but for dying.

[Lacey Mosley]

And at the end, it's like, okay, but it's a hospitality. And you got five minutes to sign up. Right now I'm gonna have to get in my car and drive away. So what do you say?

[Matt Apodaca]

Hey. So, yeah. Unless you want your life to be miserable, you better sign this paper.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Cause we going to see your neighbor next door, and we know your neighbor gonna take this deal. So we only got one bed, so

[Matt Apodaca]

do you want it? Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So once Marcia had them on the hook, she'd send a nurse out to assess whether the potential patient had any symptoms that could look like a terminal illness. She'd often use the reputation of the Black Belt region of the Deep south that has some of the highest rates of heart disease, diabetes, and emphysema in the country. So she was going after the girls. Like, I mean, she got the sugar. So, you know, even though. Even though people live with diabetes every single day, but, you know, she's targeting things that she can kind of, like, zhuzh up a little bit.

[Matt Apodaca]

This could be something like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did y' all notice Martha came to my house and now all my trilicity is gone?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

What happened to it? No, I think she stole it. And then she had somebody come over and do the prick on me to

[Matt Apodaca]

check my levels, but then she came and tried to do it herself. I don't know what's going on.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know what's going on.

[Matt Apodaca]

I got pricked twice in one day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And then she said that she found all of my insulin in her purse and gave it back to me after I got pricked. I don't know what happened. So, yeah, she's bad. So in order to get the necessary doctor approval, some hospice firms would even bribe doctors to bring them by offering all expense paid trips to Las Vegas nightclubs, complete with bottle service and private security detail.

[Matt Apodaca]

I think this is good.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, why not just give them money? I feel like money is the bribe that I like. But they were like, do you wanna live like a rock star millionaire? We'll fly you out private to Vegas.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can have a vodka Red Bull in my hand in two hours.

[Lacey Mosley]

And just the loudest music you've ever heard.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm. That's where I want to be. Well, these are the doctors. Oh, the doctors. The doctors. Okay. Oh, well, don't even get me fucking started, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

So they're like, what, treat you like you want to live a day in the life of a tiger?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I can be like a cool. I can be a cool doctor.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. The coolest of doctors. So they're flying them out to Vegas and, you know, letting them ball out and live the celebrity lifestyle. In the case of the doctor, politicians such as Dr. Francisco Pena, former mayor of Rio Bravo, Texas, they could receive actual kickbacks. Yeah, look at this, man. It's giving. I take bribes.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've never seen a more bribable face. And neck.

[Matt Apodaca]

No, that neck.

[Lacey Mosley]

That neck moves and says yes to bribes.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's that fucking little bird taking a drink out of the vent.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, look at that.

[Matt Apodaca]

That neck.

[Lacey Mosley]

Been saying, working hard, saying yes to bribes his whole life.

[Matt Apodaca]

And he looks like we're looking at a picture, so that's why we're saying this. He looks like he's about to say no, but he goes. And then he's gonna be like, just kidding. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

He gonna wink, though. He's like, look, I work in politics. I can't Just move my neck.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. The only thing he's saying no to is that he doesn't not do that. He's like, I do do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And look at him holding his glasses like he about to say something smart. Yeah, that's the criminal right there.

[Matt Apodaca]

If it pleases the court, he says,

[Lacey Mosley]

love that for him. And he got his white coat behind him, like, don't forget, don't let these scrubs fool you. I am Dr. Ring. I'm over the girls.

[Matt Apodaca]

He, like, walks out with it over his shoulder. He's kind of like a cool doctor, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a city council meeting. Why are you wearing full scrubs and a stethoscope saying stat in between the motions? So other firms would also attempt or. Excuse me. Other firms would tempt addicts with the prospect of free painkillers, trick people into believing the program was free home healthcare, or even steal personal information to enroll patients without their knowledge.

[Matt Apodaca]

Ghoul behavior if I've ever heard it. That's so funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can you imagine somebody comes over saying they're doing the census, and then all of a sudden, somebody just randomly showing up to your house every week?

[Matt Apodaca]

Not even that. Just being like, hey, like, look, I noticed that you have, like, some sort of, like, you know, addiction.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm going to explain.

[Matt Apodaca]

How about I help you and give you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I say exploit. That's crazy. I meant help.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't mean to imply that I was doing some. Something untoward.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, we gonna exploit the addiction by helping you with it. That's who we exploit.

[Matt Apodaca]

And, you know, that's like a vulnerable class as well.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's extremely vulnerable. And it's a disease, so it's just not. It's not cool to take advantage of people whether they have diseases or not, but especially if they're in a vulnerable position. So this is just. Marsha, you are real. You are a corporate criminal.

[Matt Apodaca]

But maybe she turns it around. We don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

She has a. She has a hero arc. I doubt it. So. Because the stipulation of the hospice care is that patients do not receive curative care. Patients who were signed up for hospice against their knowledge could suddenly be den procedures and medications. So this is really fucked up because, like, if you need to call the ambulance, they're like, hello, for where? Oh, no, we can't pick you up.

[Matt Apodaca]

You know, that's not even a thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you on our blackout list. We can't drive over there. Like, what? And you don't even know?

[Matt Apodaca]

No. Cause like, you think if this Person's coming up to you and you're being. And they're like, you think you're taking that face value that what they're saying is true. And then you're like, okay, like, well, this will be good. This is gonna. In the event that I have some sort of incident issue, I'll be taken care of. And then it's the exact opposite.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah. You got to go to jail. Jail. But also we got to throw rocks at you in the town square, like, on your way there. Like, we need to have a little shame, Bill. And just the tiniest rocks that we all should be able to throw at you.

[Matt Apodaca]

One big one.

[Lacey Mosley]

One big one. But the rest just so small.

[Matt Apodaca]

Big is like in the eye of the beholder too. Like, who actually knows how big.

[Lacey Mosley]

How big is big? 50%, 75%.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Who knows a male.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a big rock. We throw a mountain at you.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's kind of the thing you really. People don't really say about mountains. And I think it's good that we're getting this out there now. That's actually a rock.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a big ass rock. And we should be afraid of that rock. Cause why is it so big?

[Matt Apodaca]

And how did it get there?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. How many other rocks did it destroy? How the pebbles become pebbles. This is deeper than we thought. This is my new. Y' all can read about this in my book. So there's a lot of info here. So we're gonna keep.

[Matt Apodaca]

I'm printing it myself and you can buy it. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the second part of the problem was that once they had them, they also. And this, the patients, once they had tricked them, they also had to get rid of them if they weren't dying quickly enough, which was common for many ineligible patients because they're not dying. So one tactic that Asara Care used was simply to discharge patients with overly long stays from hospice, often losing any sort of medication, AIDS and care that they had. So one day you just wake up and they rolling you out the door

[Matt Apodaca]

and you're sick, and you're sick and you're like, hey. They're like, hey, you're sick, but you're not sick. Yeah, that's so gross.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so disgusting. So one tactic Aceracare used was simply to discharge patients over the long stays. In 2007, 70% of Marsha's patients left hospice alive. Others turned to much worse. And there's at least one example of a hospice owner instructing a staff to, oh, no, overdose their overstaying patients so now we're doing murder. Okay. And I'm sorry. We'll put a content warning at the top of this. Because I didn't know that this witch was going to be doing murder when

[Matt Apodaca]

I. Yeah, no, this is. This is. This has turned from.

[Lacey Mosley]

I knew. I had a feeling it was gonna get murdery because she's like, they're not dying fast enough. And then, like.

[Matt Apodaca]

Cause at first I was sort of like, is this just like, I care a lot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Which was bad.

[Matt Apodaca]

Which was bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

But, yeah. No, we're going beyond that. She said, hold my beer. So the owner was sentenced to more than 13 years in prison for fraud and in a plea deal that made no allegations about patience death, despite texting a nurse about one patient saying in quotes, he better not make it tomorrow or I will blame you. How do you not go? 13 years. They gave Turtleneck Lizzie, and she did harm people when she wasn't actually giving them real blood results. But she wasn't actively murdering anyone.

[Matt Apodaca]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

And, like, she got 11. 13 years.

[Matt Apodaca]

Only two more.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's.

[Matt Apodaca]

You got a little more. Maybe double it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like you shouldn't see the son again. Like, your hospice is now jail. And I don't even. I don't like the carceral system, but I'm so, like, you need to stay in there.

[Matt Apodaca]

You're going to the jail.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because your moral compass. Yeah. We don't need you out here on the streets because your brain is dangerous.

[Matt Apodaca]

It's like. That's. Like. That is murder. Like, you. Like, you're sort of like, hey, like. And it's not even. Well, it's not murder. It's. It's. What is it? Manslaughter? Because you're sort of telling somebody.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, it's premeditated.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, hey, yeah, that's a murder. It's a premeditated murder, and it's putting

[Matt Apodaca]

a hit on somebody.

[Lacey Mosley]

We know that you must have done this a lot, because if you get to the point where you're so casual about murder that you're sending text messages about it, then you've been doing so many murders that it's not even a big deal to you anymore. Could you imagine texting somebody, hey, make sure you do that murder tomorrow by six. What? On text.

[Matt Apodaca]

It's sort of. You know, I feel like there's a phone call, a dark alley like Sandy taking just a little bit to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Then going full 75% to going full appliances.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

But these are. But this is human life. So this is just Disgusting. So I'm gonna get through this because we tried to keep it light over here. So for Marsha, both the pressure and the links that she and her colleagues went in order to maintain proper numbers of dying patients wore on her. Okay, finally. Dummy. And she began to question the work that she did. Oh, wow, you began to question it now. Like, it's a little late, sis.

[Matt Apodaca]

Hey, I sent a text the other day, and I didn't feel good about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, a little skeevy. So her coworker, Dawn Richardson was also. And she didn't send the text. That was someone else. But still. Dawn Richardson was also a mother with a family, but felt similarly. And in 2009, the pair discovered a way out. So the way out. The two other nurses at another Southern hospice company had accused their employer, Southern Care, of stealing taxpayer dollars by enrolling ineligible patients in hospice. The company admitted to no wrongdoing, but settled with the justice department for nearly $25 million. The two nurses, being whistleblowers, received $4.9 million of that sum. Okay, what I'm not hearing is that the people who were tricked into being hospice were paid. And why is the government getting 25mil? Like, give that to the people that were harmed.

[Matt Apodaca]

There should have been some damages.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, this is still a. I hope there's a late night commercial happening where, you know, somebody's like. Like, if you or a loved one was tricked into, like. Cause, like, you gotta get Saul Goodman. Yeah, Saul, where you at? They, too, contacted James Berger, a lawyer who had represented one of the Southern Care nurses. So In March of 2009, he helped them file a whistleblower complaint against Acerra Care and its parent company, accusing the company of Medicare fraud. For the following two years, Don and Marsha were kept anonymous. And the investigation continued to work at Acericare while passing Barger documents and conducting their own investigations into ineligible patients. Their evidence. Now, how are you going. Now this is giving. Like, the police, we investigated ourself and we found we did nothing wrong. Because how the fuck you know what they doing? You started it.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, you don't get to be a hero here. Like, I hope that you still have to do time. Cause it's giving, like, an anonymity and like, you started this shit, Marsha.

[Matt Apodaca]

Actually, I know I was doing this, but I didn't know what I was doing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm just a baby, right? Your own ambition. I'm just a little baby, y'. All. A little. A little murderer baby. No, no, no, no. No. So their evidence supported the claim others had made, including lack of focus on patient care and little discussion of eligibility at regular patient certification meetings. So they're so beyond not even, you know, enrolling the right people, they're not giving them the proper care. Now that really pisses me off, because at least if you go and trick people into going to hospice, they should at least be nice. You get in your bag like, hey,

[Matt Apodaca]

well, this will be a trick, but also it'll be the worst thing they've ever done.

[Lacey Mosley]

At least if it's gonna be a trick, let it be a treat.

[Matt Apodaca]

Because like, those situations too. I know that a lot of times the goal in hospice care is to make sure that people are comfortable and like stuff like that. But I feel like more often than not, I hear that people, like, didn't enjoy that experience, but also because it's. It's just hard on everybody.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Which is fucked up.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So clinical staff were also found to be under trained with a high potential for care delivery failure. So now they're just also hiring anybody that they can in this bitch. Like, you get to your interview, right? You get a. It's like Craigslist. Like, your car got how many doors, great hours. All you need is scrubs. Apply. And by apply, we mean show up and you have the job. Can you be present? Like, those are the requirements?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Can you? Yeah. Do you? Yeah. Can you just be here?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

Can you get here? You can start today, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Any bus lines close to where we at? Or you got a car? Like, then pull up to this very. This job that needs a lot of skills. I'll come get you. We got a shuttle. Yeah, okay. Yeah, just pull up. We got scrubs. Actually, don't even worry about that. So in 2011, Marsha was found out and put on paid leave before leaving the company. This woman, everything is coming up roses right now. But by that point, she and her team had amassed enough evidence that the Justice Department had conducted their own investigation into the complaint. The Justice Department proceeded to seek $200 million in fines and damages, and most expected Asara Care to settle as fighting it could mean bankruptcy. But in 2014, as Sarah Care created history by fighting the complaints. Now this is just wild to me because again, the Justice Department where y' all putting $200 million, because it doesn't sound like it's gonna go back to the people and also like, bump that we fighting. Cause Marsha, bitch ass, the one who started this shit, she told us to do it. We had no idea. Marsha was recruiting people and being evil.

[Matt Apodaca]

Let me just. I think I left my phone in the other room. Real quick. Let me just go get that real quick, real quick.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll be back. Sarah Care just start screaming. The Justice Department was like, we're talking about. I don't know. They just screamed on the phone, y', all, it might work. It might work. So the United States vs Sarah Care. A trial began August 10, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama, and marked one of the most bizarre yet notable trials in the history of hospice care. From the start. Prior to the beginning of the trial, the firm handling a Sarah Cares defense had just hired the judge's son as a summer associate. That's above board. Do you want to intern, Mr. Judge's son? No. No. I mean, we think you're the most qualified as the judge's son. I gotta stop saying judge's son. Just work over here.

[Matt Apodaca]

Can't wear your dad's robe to work. Don't wear. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And like. Yeah, we gonna call you not judge's son when you come here. Okay.

[Matt Apodaca]

What are we gonna do? Your name is judge.

[Lacey Mosley]

Your name is judge's son. Damn it. Why would she name her son judge's son? So almost immediately, Judge Karen Bowdrey showed unprecedented favoritism towards the acericare defense team. Dang. Karen, Karen, how you gonna Karen this heart? How you gonna live up to the name Sis?

[Matt Apodaca]

I was gonna say. I didn't wanna say it.

[Lacey Mosley]

She was like. And also for an internship. You a hall judge, Karen. You can't nepo your kid somewhere else. You gotta nepo him here.

[Matt Apodaca]

And you couldn't go outside for, like, a little bit?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, to get a little son look, you know, Karen. Karen a sleep.

[Matt Apodaca]

This is the whitest person I've ever seen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Karen literally sleeps in a coffin. Okay? And she loves. She loves hospice fraud. Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

I think her. Her lips are red because that's where her blood is. Like, it's like.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's because that's what she thrives on to survive. She's just sucking on O negative every day. It's not lipstick.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, so maybe she's nice.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's not given nice. So Judge Karen made unprecedented and restrictive decisions as to what evidence was allowed to be brought in and how the case would be divided. Despite these obstacles, two months later, the jury found 86% of the patient samples ineligible for some period of hospice care, which would make the other part of the trial much easier. So just a few days after Judge Karen announced that she had made a major and she was Overturning the jury's findings and granting a Sarah Cares request for a new trial. She said I made a major mistake. Cause y' all not doing what I had said. When I coerced y', all, I was doing coercion. And nobody seems to really be coerced.

[Matt Apodaca]

So can we start over? Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Run it back. Run it back. This is like when you're playing, like, Monopoly with, like, your kid cousin who wants to change the rules when they start losing.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, yeah. When I land on Twitter with Elon Musk.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Wait a minute. Y' all making fun of me? We got new terms of service. Y' all making fun of me? For the public safety of everybody, you can't.

[Matt Apodaca]

No posts. No posts.

[Lacey Mosley]

No posts. Yeah, it's a lot of tweeting happened on Twitter, and we gotta stop that.

[Matt Apodaca]

Did you see me somewhere? You actually didn't, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. No, that's doxxing. If you see me somewhere, you say where I am. Yeah, I don't care if I was on tv. You can't tell nobody about that.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So five months later, Judge Karen awarded judgment to Acerraker without completing the trial. So then she was like, you know, let's just wrap this up. It's taking too long.

[Matt Apodaca]

I'm bored of this. I'm done with this.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm done with this. Okay.

[Matt Apodaca]

I'm not even that person anymore, y'.

[Lacey Mosley]

All. I'm actually gonna go into the sun. So.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it wasn't until 20. How it hurts.

[Matt Apodaca]

Thanks for doing it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And listen, if you're out there and you are a pale girly. I love a pale girly. Okay?

[Matt Apodaca]

She's just evil.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay?

[Matt Apodaca]

I stand behind my goth queen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So it wasn't until 2019 that a retrial occurred, which resulted in a sudden for $1 million paid by Acera Care. The original claim had been for 200 million. So they got off scot fucking free because Judge Karen was out here criming all for her son's internship. She must have been getting paid behind closed doors.

[Matt Apodaca]

A judge. Lacey, you can't just say something like, that's never happened before.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're right. She's a woman of the cloth, okay? Yes. She takes that fabric seriously. So in 2020, the company was bought for $235 million by a Medicis. A company facing its own similar charges. So now the crime companies are absorbing.

[Matt Apodaca]

We saw you were doing that, and we do it too. So you can. We'll buy you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why don't y' all get away with fraud in the government, we'll buy you so. Because we also would too. Like, where's y' all got judge Cara number and her judge's son?

[Matt Apodaca]

You guys don't have receipts, right? Good. Okay, great.

[Lacey Mosley]

So now in 2022, a moratorium has been placed on hospices in California due to an investigation that was uncovered. It's uncovered thousands of for profit facilities with fictional patients and staff. So now they were just like, you know what? Fuck it. Instead of harming real life human beings, let's make them up.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, now. And now we're back to improv, aren't we?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a bit. And you know what? I like this bit better because at least we're not harming real people. And I would think it was hilarious if like the government starts visiting these for profit hospice centers and they're like, why are all the beds empty? And they're like, o, it was a bad day. Everyone died.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, this was bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You should see the mark.

[Matt Apodaca]

They're like running around with a bunch of disguises being like, I'm this one.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're hiring people off Gregs. It's like just lay in the bed and convalesce.

[Matt Apodaca]

Cough a little bit. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Some of y' all put out some owls. Yeah, just a few owls. When the government comes, do we get

[Matt Apodaca]

the casting sheets for the extras on house?

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally. And you know what? As actors, I would, I, I would

[Matt Apodaca]

do that job even. I was just at a taping for something recently where there are a bunch of actors, actors like in the audience for taping and was like, y' all do anything, Listen.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I, and I love that for them. So they found out that they're doing all this fraud. There are a few regulations or requirements to opening a hospice in most states, which has led to instances such as single addresses in Los Angeles being listed as having 129 hospices owned by a professional landlord. So now these empty buildings in la, they, they call it them hospices.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, great.

[Lacey Mosley]

So despite this, each business is valued at six figures and are constantly being bought and sold. So this is full crime. Between 2011 and 2019, research shows that a number of hospices owned by private equity firms tripled. And the quality of care has decreased in PE guys so fucking bad. In 2018, the Office of Inspector General at the Department of Health and Human Services estimated that inappropriate billing by hospice providers had cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a expensive to die in America. It's expensive to live in America. And Sarah Care set the president, that the companies are allowed to manipulate the process of passing away to meet their financial goals. There's no fucking way in hell that this should be on the stock market, that there should be investors and shareholders. Like, this is a public service that we pay taxes for. And private equity, again, swoops in and does what capitalism does and puts its price tag on it and just makes it the sickest shit in the fucking world.

[Matt Apodaca]

We're gonna soon be paying monthly. I mean, I guess we do kind of rent and stuff, but, like, we're gonna have a subscription service for Life. Like, you're like, okay, you want to live? It's $99 a fucking service. We already do. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Life is basically a streaming platform.

[Matt Apodaca]

And you can't cancel.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nope. And you need to have all of them. It's like, okay, look, if you want a piece of food, you need Hulu Plus. Okay? Now, if you want good food, you gotta subscribe to no ads. All right? You want medical care, but you better get you some Netflix.

[Matt Apodaca]

And, like, ads when you eat bad food is, like, stuff that's, like, not good for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. It's nitrates and it's like chemicals. It's like, if you want chemical free, you gotta upgrade.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta pay a little more. Oh, you don't want GMOs.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you don't want pesticides. Lauren Chen once wrote an amazing joke in Florida Girls that was like, we go to a rich person's house and I touch their avocados, and I'm like, ooh, avocados. And these are organic. That mean they ain't got no poison on them. That's literally what it is. You have to pay to not have poison. Yeah, that's an upgrade. No poison. Oh, okay. You talked to me.

[Matt Apodaca]

I don't taste the poison.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got money.

[Matt Apodaca]

Must be good to be the king.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, it's ass. It's such ass. But, Sarah, fuck y'. All. Y' all are terrible. And I can't believe that you got away with this. Judge Karen and Judge's son. Y' all are terrible people. And I really do hope that every time you go out in the sun, it's like a micro, like a magnify glass to when it hurts. Just sizzling. Yeah, okay. Because that's what you deserve. All right, we're gonna move on to the saddest part of the show, which it actually isn't today. Because the saddest part of this is these.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like what? Pieces of goddamn. Just repugnant.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah. You should be able to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly. Worse than. Because at least Eskrem has a purpose, you know, that can manure. It can grow grass. And like, y' all are worse than that.

[Matt Apodaca]

You should at the very least, at the end of your. Your life be guaranteed like dignity and respect at least.

[Lacey Mosley]

And for these people, I wish that they would have to go to a hospice. A bad one. Where they pinch on you every day. And don't change your bedpan. You know, just little pinches under the arms.

[Matt Apodaca]

I don't wanna get pinched.

[Lacey Mosley]

I want them to get pinched so much.

[Matt Apodaca]

And just tormented the calendar. Every day is St. Patrick's Day and I'm not wearing any green.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yep. The only channel you allowed to watch is whatever that TV guide is and the whole channel Tales. Just Mario Lopez for the rest of your life. And he's describing all the shows beautifully and he looks gorgeous, but you never get to watch any of them.

[Matt Apodaca]

It could be a lot worse.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You know, he too entertaining. Yeah. And that's smile dimple.

[Matt Apodaca]

I heard it doesn't have a bottom.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all don't deserve his dimples.

[Matt Apodaca]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what? Just a fuzzy screen.

[Matt Apodaca]

Like when you go to the different inputs. It's Mario Lopez still. But you can't really see the definition of the dimple.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh yeah. Because then that leaves them wanting. Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

You're like, I know he has it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yep. And you can't. We'll never let you see it, but. Cause you don't deserve it. Yes. So that brings us to the end of the show. But before we go scammer of the week, this is where we highlight an honorary charlatan that's worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. Like Marsha's bitch ass who got away too scot free for my liking and Judge Karen's old raggedy ass. But today we're talking about a former officer of the Johnson County Sheriff's office in Kansas. He's had his police license revoked after he was caught trying to scam a store out of nearly $400 worth of pokem cards. Wait a minute.

[Matt Apodaca]

Okay. So actually he did nothing wrong. And this is a very rare one for me.

[Lacey Mosley]

We don't. We don't stand up for cops. But it's.

[Matt Apodaca]

I can't. I host a video game podcast. I. I love Pokemon. This guy. I'm turning the other way.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I had a charizard once that I got randomly out of a cereal box, and that was in. Charizards were worth like a lot of money and I like sold it to somebody who really was into the pokies and made a coin in school. You know what I mean?

[Matt Apodaca]

And this is, this is really just hard for me as a guy that hates cops and loves Pokemon. This is really.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I wish more catch. When they say gotta catch em all. Yeah. If y' all didn't mean black people. Like if more of y' all were

[Matt Apodaca]

doing Pokemon and trying to maybe they sort of took the lessons of Pokemon and applied it to the carceral system. And that is sort of like, you know, maybe they got the wrong thing from it. Yeah. So I have to actually do boo this man and I can't support him.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. We were tomato, tomato, tomato. So William Knight, 32 years old, quite young, had been a full time cop with the department since March of 2019. He was in uniform buying groceries and a large number of Pokemon cars when he was aroused. Excuse me? When he aroused suspicion. I thought I said he was aroused at first.

[Matt Apodaca]

I said it just keeps getting worse. This guy's fucking hard.

[Lacey Mosley]

Putting holes in the Pokemon cars. No, so I mean, some people say that some of them are sexy.

[Matt Apodaca]

Okay, look, that's a conversation for another day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Some Pokemon's is bad bitches. Okay, so he aroused suspicion of an in store asset protection investigator. I love a cop getting taken down by a store cop.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like the audacity.

[Matt Apodaca]

They used to, like when I worked at a store, they would just like chase you through the store kind of. And then once you get out the door they're like. Well, that's kind of where that goes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's where I came.

[Matt Apodaca]

What are you gonna do?

[Lacey Mosley]

You chase them to the edge of the earth. They won't let me leave.

[Matt Apodaca]

They chased is a strong word. I mean followed a little bit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Like a high paced walk. Cause you know they can't run good.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, no, no, no, no, they can't.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Also what's interesting to me is like does an in store cop even have cuffs? Does he have to be like, hey, let me borrow your cuffs?

[Matt Apodaca]

No, it's more of like a you come here with me situation and I guess to the back wall, you just do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I feel like I just have to be like, no.

[Matt Apodaca]

If you've ever been caught at a grocery store in a loss prevention situation and you went with them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, don't go with them. I just feel like walk the other way. Or maybe run, start hollering.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, or maybe put the thing back. My bad, you know.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, this I. This is mine. Try that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Matt Apodaca]

I came with this.

[Lacey Mosley]

I came with this.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It still got a barcode on it and a sensor, but I came. Cause I actually need to get it taken off.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah. I bought this before. I didn't bring the receipt. The sticker was stuck on it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I once bought an air fryer from Target and it had that little alarm soundy thing on it. I bought it through the self checkout and actually paid for it. I'm sure Sandy got hella air fryers for the free $99 shout out to you, Queen. But I paid for it. And then when I got out and I like cut the little sensor off at home, it started making. And I was like, this is.

[Matt Apodaca]

I'm at home.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but I'm not gonna give them no tips. Y' all take the air fryers, okay? Everybody's gonna.

[Matt Apodaca]

Sandy's running a ghost kitchen in her house with a bunch of air fryers that she.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love that for her. So the protection asset investigator was like, huh? Mischief is afoot. So initially he tried to leave, saying he had to respond to a call. He was like, oh, I got a 299 cop thing happening. But eventually he admitted that he had swapped out the barcodes on the boxes for cheaper items. Wow. The cop told the truth.

[Matt Apodaca]

Wait, is that the first time that's ever happened?

[Lacey Mosley]

Might be. Might be on record. So Knight was reportedly arrested and booked into the Johnson County Adult attention center on May 13, 2022, before he posted bond of $2,500. $2,500 for Pokemon cards is a lot, but a cop going to jail?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, but think about what he could have pulled. He could have pulled something big and then one card could have got him out free.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he has since escaped criminal charges. Duh. Though he's no longer employed as a police officer in Jefferson county or anywhere else. So I will say this. You must be like really unlikable to the police officers. Maybe they didn't like your ass. Maybe he was heating up fish in the microwave every lunch. Like you was doing something to get on them police officers nerves because they let murderers wholly come back.

[Matt Apodaca]

I was going to say they let

[Lacey Mosley]

people who do murderers, like murders on video get paid. Leave it. Come on back to the Christmas party. And you got fired for Pokemon cars. Oh, they didn't like you. Was you farting a lot? You ate a lot of beans. You was thinking up the meat and stuff.

[Matt Apodaca]

This guy's a dork. We can't have him.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not even that A lot of cops are dorks. Most Cops?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, all cops are dorks.

[Lacey Mosley]

All cops are dorks. So if you got fired from the police, that means they really just. You had bad vibes.

[Matt Apodaca]

Oh, you like rules, you fucking dork, Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I'm confused. How do you get fired from the police?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yeah, that's. We should send this to them. The story to be like, see, you can fire them. Yeah, they can be fired.

[Lacey Mosley]

So maybe like, let's start firing them for the murders and for the harassment. Because you fire somebody for Pokemon cards, bro. Like, yeah, they didn't like his vibes. In a statement from his lawyer, it says in quotes, unfortunately, in a time of severe stress and anxiety, he exercised poor judgment leading to his arrest and charge. You know, the cop girlies love to come at us with a. I was afraid I have anxiety. I was afraid. I was afraid I wasn't gonna catch em all.

[Matt Apodaca]

What were you trying to fucking get? Like, like, that's like, they're not that expensive.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Matt Apodaca]

I guess if you're buying them in bulk. He stole $400 worth or something. $4,000 worth.

[Lacey Mosley]

400?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, 400. That's quite a bit. That's a lot of.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a lot of anxiety.

[Matt Apodaca]

That's a lot of boosters.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, this honestly inspires me, though. Like, this is the story that we need to start waving in these police department spaces because why are we letting cops literally get away with murder, but they can't get away with Pokemon?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, it's a success story, kind of. It's like you. You can actually fire them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you should.

[Matt Apodaca]

They just didn't know. They just didn't know before. Like you can. We're actually. We could be helping them.

[Lacey Mosley]

The last thing I ever want to do, but. All right, y', all, that brings us to the end of the show. And as we always ask on the show, Matt, where would you like to be found? Any socials while they still exist?

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, I was gonna say. This is a tough question to answer now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Any shows.

[Matt Apodaca]

I don't know if I want to be found on Twitter. The husk of my account is still there. I'm on social media. I'll say as Matt Apodaca. You can find me on the ones that exist.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Matt Apodaca]

And if I'm not there, maybe follow this playboy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Follow this big man.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, Big man Playboy Matt Apodaca on all social medias. You can listen to get played wherever you get your podcasts. And then Our Patreon GetAnimate. Patreon.com GetPlayed where we talk about anime stuff. It's a lot of fun.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And as always guys, stitch on your friends, your family, your enemies. The police at Scam got us pod gmail dot com. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to fuck up

[Matt Apodaca]

your unless it's the police.

[Lacey Mosley]

Unless it's the police cam and then like for sure some names and photos. And as always you can find me at T I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Congregation stay sandying.

[Matt Apodaca]

Honestly at Sandy Scam bag go.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scam bag go.

[Matt Apodaca]

Yeah, yes, absolutely. And maybe just bag go.

[Lacey Mosley]

I said scam bag go. But also yeah, bag and go where as well. Scam Goddess this has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA the Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Kargbo, our recording engineer is Abby Aguilar and our audio editor is Jessi Karen. Research for the show is done by Kalen Brandt.

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