The Necklace Caper That Sparked a Revolution w/ Vic Michaelis

Summary

Scam Goddess — "The Necklace Caper That Sparked a Revolution"

Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Vic Michaelis
Release Date: October 14, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess dives into the wild and historic tale known as "The Diamond Necklace Affair"—a legendary scam at the French royal court that tarnished the monarchy’s reputation and helped spark the French Revolution. Host Laci Mosley and comedian/improviser Vic Michaelis unpack the juicy details of this 18th-century caper, exploring themes of gender, power, high society, and, of course, scheming. The show keeps its signature comedic edge, mixing sharp contemporary commentary with period drama gossip, and draws parallels between courtly intrigue and today’s celebrity culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scam Goddess Welcomes Vic Michaelis

[03:04–07:31]

• Laci introduces Vic, highlighting their big improvisational/comedy backgrounds and mutual admiration.
• Light banter about nail art, hair, and beauty loyalty.
• Vic shares an early scam: at a megachurch (unnamed), the pastoral family ran a scam, embezzling church funds. The scandal peaked when the pastor allegedly put out a “hit” on his son-in-law and a journalist. The fallout? The pastor left to start a (God-themed) podcast.
• Notable Quote:
  • “It’s crazy how you gonna be the man of God and you’re like, well I’m gonna send you to meet him.” – Laci ([07:50])

2. Relationships with Scams and Schemes

[05:19–08:47]

• Vic expresses love for scams and cults, noting how thin the line is between community and cult.
• Laci and Vic riff on church dynamics, particularly the difference between true support and organized racketeering.

3. Schoolyard Scams & AI Skepticism

[10:21–11:51]

• Vic recounts “scamming” her Christian school by submitting corrupted doc files to avoid writing essays.
• Both bash AI and “large language models” for being energy-wasting, non-intelligent scams.
• Notable Quote:
  • “Large word models... It literally is a scam.” – Vic ([11:29])

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4. The Diamond Necklace Affair: Breakdown of the Caper

[15:25–64:45]

A. Setting the Stage — France, 1785
[15:25–17:45]

• Middle-aged jewelers Boehmer and Bassenge create an ornate, 284-carat diamond necklace, hoping to sell it to royalty.
• Marie Antoinette repeatedly refuses to buy it, calling it ugly and preferring funds go to warships.
• Laci and Vic riff on the necklace’s gaudy style, imagining who could actually wear it, and comparing it to giant jewelry at Claire’s or on The Rock.

B. Introducing the Players
[27:20–33:36]

• Jeanne de Valois-Saint-Rémy (Countess de la Motte), comes from scandalous noble blood, but grew up poor. Vic dubs her “Countess Little Boobs”—mocking the shallow way history described her.
• The Countess aims for a luxurious life, has multiple lovers, and becomes involved with Cardinal de Rohan (“the court ho”).
• Cardinal is desperate to rehab his image at court, having been ostracized for being a notorious womanizer.

C. The Scam
[37:53–42:38]

• Countess de la Motte convinces Cardinal de Rohan that Marie Antoinette secretly wants the necklace but must acquire it discreetly.
• She forges letters from the Queen and arranges for the Cardinal to meet a prostitute, disguised as Marie, at night in the gardens of Versailles. The Cardinal is duped completely.
• Cardinal signs contract with jewelers on behalf of the Queen, and the Countess escapes with the necklace (breaking it up and selling the diamonds across Europe).

D. The Fallout
[42:42–55:50]

• When jewelers ask Marie Antoinette for payment, she is baffled and says she never ordered it.
• The Cardinal is arrested, tried, but ultimately acquitted (though exiled).
• The Countess is sentenced to public whipping, life imprisonment, and branded as a thief. She later escapes, writes scandalous memoirs trashing the Queen, and becomes a proto-tabloid queen.
• Notable Quote:
  • “She escaped from prison dressed as a boy—okay, see, those little boobs came in handy!” – Laci ([53:41])
• Laci and Vic draw parallels to today’s culture: Hulu docs as branding for criminals, and how public scandal works.

E. Social and Political Impact

• The necklace incident worsened the monarchy’s reputation, playing into anti-Marie Antoinette sentiment (she was already much disliked as a foreign queen).
• The spectacle further undermined the king's authority, contributing to revolutionary fervor and Marie Antoinette’s eventual execution.
• “So all of this basically got ramped up because of Countess Little Boobs and her scam.” – Laci ([61:20])

5. Modern Resonances

[46:38–47:51, 58:07–59:48]

• Discussion veers into community, protest culture, and the importance of mutual aid and solidarity—contrasting modern and historic responses to crisis.
• Vic and Laci joke about the contemporary equivalents of branding major fraudsters (“now, Hulu puts out a doc about you”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “A cult is in the eye of the beholder. Right? Because if you’re kind of successful at the cult, it doesn’t feel like a cult.” – Vic ([05:53])

• “He was like, buy this necklace or I’m gonna kill myself. That’s wild.” – Laci ([25:51])

• “She left dressed as a boy. She fled to England and published scandalous memoirs. Shit talking the Queen. I love this person so much.” – Laci ([53:41])

• “Did Marie Antoinette say, let them eat cake? Maybe not, but she is like, I don’t know, I was really hoping for a red warship, and they only have it in silver.” – Vic ([58:07])

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Key Segments & Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------|-----------| | Meet the Guest & Opening Banter | 03:04–07:31 | | Megachurch Scam Story | 06:47–08:47 | | School-Age Scams & AI Chat | 10:21–11:51 | | Historic Hoodwinks: Diamond Necklace Caper Begins | 15:25 | | Description of the Necklace/Failed Sales | 17:45–22:23 | | Introducing the Main Scammers & Victims | 27:20–33:36 | | The Con: Faked Queen, Forged Letters | 37:53–42:38 | | Cardinal’s Arrests & Countess’s Imprisonment | 42:42–55:50 | | Memoir & Public Opinion Fallout | 55:50–58:03 | | Marie Antoinette’s Reputation & Revolution | 58:07–61:27 | | Modern Parallels & Closing Thoughts | 62:17–66:52 |

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Tone and Style

• Comedic, sharp, and irreverent: Laci and Vic balance historical storytelling with a healthy dose of sarcasm, pop culture analogies, and self-aware asides.
• Contemporary parallels: Regularly draw lines between 18th-century hijinks and modern scams—be it MLMs, church scandals, or influencer culture.

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Closing & Plugs

[65:31–67:51]

• Vic plugs supporting local and LGBTQIA+ organizations, highlighting the Transgender Law Center.
• Laci plugs her social handles, the Scam Goddess book, show, and more.
• Both joke about hobbies-as-personality and the endurance of scam culture.

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Final Takeaways

This episode brilliantly marries the outlandishness of 18th-century court intrigue with the modern scammer’s mindset (“Stay scheming!”). The hosts’ banter transforms a dry historical scandal into a hilarious and insightful lesson on power, scandal, and societal collapse—a warning and a wink to anyone paying attention to today’s headlines.

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Recommendation:
If you want to understand how a scam can topple a monarchy—and how gender, rumor, and clout-chasing was as explosive centuries ago as it is now—this is your episode. The comedic chemistry between Laci and Vic makes the lesson land with both laughter and consequence.

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Signature quote:
“Countess Little Boobs dressed as a boy, escapes prison, and drops a gossip rag—truly, a bad bitch you could never kill.” – Laci ([53:41])

Transcript

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Vic Michaelis]

That's it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. I thought I had it, but you know when you get insecure reading something. Absolutely. Congregation, please welcome the wonderful Vic Michaelis to the show. Hey, Vic.

[Vic Michaelis]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Lacy Mosley]

I cannot believe this is your first time on the show.

[Vic Michaelis]

I'm not if not a fan.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm a little starstruck, world class improviser. So this is such a treat to have you. I'm so excited.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's also, I like, I have such vivid memories of watching you. Had a show called 2 Live Crew that I used to go watch all the time. Like, I just have been such a longtime fan as well as just sort of knowing you. And so now being here a long.

[Lacy Mosley]

Time here performing as well. You've always been amazing. Look at us. From Harold Dye to TV to everything.

[Vic Michaelis]

And here we are.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love it. And your nails are fire. Like, literally, but also like, I mean that in the compliment way as well.

[Vic Michaelis]

I have never had long nails in my life. And for a show I was just on, I was in Hungary for six months. I had my nails long. And we're going into a new season of VIP where I have just sort of like claws and I could not keep like the hot pink nail polish on. And so now they're painted kind of like a Hot Wheels car.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love it. So this was like, you put some stuff on them yourself?

[Vic Michaelis]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was like, you are very good at nails.

[Vic Michaelis]

Can you imagine if I was just like, yeah, I don't know. I was like tinkering around with it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen, some people can do it. My nail art and my nail artist has like, I have to call her a nail artist because she is an artist.

[Vic Michaelis]

An artist.

[Lacy Mosley]

And she owns a nail salon. Her name is Hannah. And I didn't get my nails done for my birthday because luckily they still held up. But she would know if I cheated on her. And also, I really don't want to go anybody else. But her nails are like out to here. Like, when I tell you they're like almost 2 inches and she Just does nails and everything with her nails like that. And I'm like, how. Like the cardi b nails, like, the real big, long ones. I'm like, how are y' all doing this? How do you wipe? But they're like, girl, you gotta just lift your hand up. You gotta take your palm and sh. Shove it up in the middle, and then take the nails down like this, like. So I'll post a picture of my hand doing the wipes, because this is how you got to do it. If you got the nails.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's 10,000 hours.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it is. You know what? But it's worth it for the beauty.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's it. Hot Wheels nails. And yours are beautiful, too.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you. You gotta look at them from afar. I haven't seen Hannah, but I'm gonna just be flash my hands real quick. So you never really.

[Vic Michaelis]

I love that kind of loyalty, though.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Vic Michaelis]

She'll know that you're only going to her.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And then next, you know, I got a little cuticle cut, and she talking about oops or something, you know, I knew it wasn't okay. So we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams, Vic? Do you love them? Do you hate them?

[Vic Michaelis]

I.

[Lacy Mosley]

It could be anything. Have you run some.

[Vic Michaelis]

I love scams, genuinely, Like, I truly do. And I think it comes from my fascination of sort of. You were talking about cults earlier, and I think, like, cults are sort of scam adjacent, and I am always half a step away from joining a cult. I feel like. Like, I just. I want to believe really badly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I feel like if I joined a cult, it would really get rid of a lot of my stress. You know what I mean? Because then, like, all I'm focused on is work, you know, taking care of myself and going out with the cult and doing cult activities. Yeah. You know, it's like.

[Vic Michaelis]

Well, to your point earlier, where is it? I think a cult is in the eye of the beholder. Right. Because if you're kind of successful at the cult, it doesn't feel like a cult.

[Lacy Mosley]

It doesn't feel as much like a cult because you're like, I don't know. I made it.

[Vic Michaelis]

Well, that's it. It's like, well, I'm working, so it's that type of thing. And I feel. I feel that way about churches and stuff like that as well. I grew up in the church, and it was like a very culty feeling type thing. But I just, like. I got really good at it, and I was like, in all of the, the groups that were like doing stuff within the community. And so I was like, oh no, this rocks. This is great.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I think churches are one of those things that they sit on the line because it's all about who's running the church. Because a church can be a wonderful source of community for a lot of people. Free therapy and you get to have a place to go out and people know your name and like spirituality is good for the spirit and the soul. But then you also have the cult churches where it's like why is my pastor driving a Rolls Royce but asking me for money?

[Vic Michaelis]

Totally. Every week size thing too. Like I was a part of those big mega churches where it's just like at what point is it a community? Like where does the community line versus the corporation start? You know what I mean? Do you want to hear kind of a fun scam?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, I do.

[Vic Michaelis]

Okay. So I, I'm worried I'm gonna get sued.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Vic Michaelis]

I worry I'm gonna be okay. I think it'll be okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Vic Michaelis]

Because it's true. It's just like facts that you can go find. It's not really slander. Cause it's just like a thing. So it's like the big scam that they were running at the megachurch that I was a part of, name I will not say was. It was like the pastor and all of his kids were running sort of like the church and the youth group and they were like franchising the church.

[Lacy Mosley]

Family affair.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. So there was a bunch of them.

[Lacy Mosley]

He.

[Vic Michaelis]

So they were stealing a ton of money. They were all living in like four or five million dollars houses around town. Naturally, of course, as you do, he put out there was this big like Christianity Today article on it. He put out a hit on his.

[Lacy Mosley]

A hit, A hit on his son in law.

[Vic Michaelis]

And one of the reporters from Christianity Today that was doing this big like report on him and his family trying to expose them saving money from the church.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's crazy how you gonna be the man of God and you're like, well I'm gonna send you to meet him. Like, you gotta go meet God right now. Cause you getting in my way.

[Vic Michaelis]

He got. And then he started a podcast and that's what he does.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so he didn't even have to go to jail for the hit or nothing.

[Vic Michaelis]

No, because it's all kind of like, you know, I think with stuff like that, I don't know, that money changed hands. It was just like conversations that were being had.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. So it's not, it Wasn't quite attempted murder because they didn't like, have a.

[Vic Michaelis]

Confirmation services, but it was enough that they were like, okay, you're out of here.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow.

[Vic Michaelis]

Crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

A hit is wild.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's like, I'm a man of God. I know him real well, and I need some people to meet him.

[Vic Michaelis]

Meet him. Do you think you need to have a conversation like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that's how the conversation goes. Legally, it's a gray area. I just said I wanted them to meet their maker, who is also a close personal friend of mine. Jesus.

[Vic Michaelis]

A relationship.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

So there you go.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I was just sending them home.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

To their house in the sky.

[Vic Michaelis]

Have a conversation with their father. Let their father deal with it. That's what my mom was talking about. Go talk to your father.

[Lacy Mosley]

Go talk to your father. And by the way, is that a hit? I mean, the one upstairs is that. I don't know.

[Vic Michaelis]

There you go.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's a hit, right? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I was just throwing them a small party. Like, you know, they go up there, they kick it with them.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's really it. Yeah. You're welcome, actually.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. I was doing a good thing. Yeah. Oh, man. But starting a podcast after that, Crazy. Just wild as hell.

[Vic Michaelis]

And also right on track.

[Lacy Mosley]

Perfect, actually. And what are the Christian girlies? Are they into pod, like God podcasts yet the God cast, Is that a thing?

[Vic Michaelis]

Can't be, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Maybe. Now I want to search godcast, because if that's not a thing. Tm, that's mine.

[Vic Michaelis]

I was going to say I'm going.

[Lacy Mosley]

To get on here.

[Vic Michaelis]

I'm seeing typing, frantic typing happening.

[Lacy Mosley]

Justin's going to go to seeing if there's a godcast Godcaster.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's different.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's godcaster. Take that R off. Uh, why say podcast?

[Vic Michaelis]

Godcast. Podcast hosts. No, give it a second. Yeah, Godcast. Well, how many followers? Are they still making episodes, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, they got 374 reviews.

[Vic Michaelis]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

And they got 4.4 stars. Now how you gonna give a podcast about God a one star review?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that's really tough.

[Lacy Mosley]

How you gonna give God one star? You ain't right. See, it's a hater for everybody. Like, come on now.

[Vic Michaelis]

Well, it's Bible style, you know, it's. Somebody's written it. So you don't know. Like, is it. Was it through the Holy Spirit, was it a translation issue? You know, that type of thing? And maybe same for the spoken word.

[Lacy Mosley]

They got a couple bad reviews. Damn.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that's tough, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

It's Just somebody like, I'm an atheist. So I just came over here to say I didn't, like godcast now. So your scam here was some.

[Vic Michaelis]

Wasn't my scam so much just as, like, a scam that was happening? My scams largely would have been like, I was really bad in school. I was, like, very dyslexic, and I had a really hard time writing stuff. And so I went to, for a little while, like, a very conservative Christian school from, like, 8th grade to 10th grade. And so you could kind of get away with stuff if you knew, like, the right language to be saying. And so I used to, like, if I had an essay that I couldn't write, I would just type out nonsense, like, absolute gibberish, save it in a file, type that was like. Like an. Like an FTX file or whatever. And then I'd send it in and basically say that, like, oh, they couldn't open it. Or, like, it had scrambled the words because that is beautiful.

[Lacy Mosley]

You said this is a technological issue. I got a little scared, Vic, that you were gonna say. And then I would put it in to ChatGPT. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We hate AI.

[Vic Michaelis]

We hate AI. We hate it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Those large.

[Vic Michaelis]

What are they called? Large. Large word models. It literally is a scam. My brother works in robotics and was telling me how ChatGPT works because it is not doing anything. It's. The large language models are literally like, oh, well, you're talking about this. So we're predicting it, that this is what it is. It's literally a scam.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And it costs. I think it's, like, a lot of energy. It takes up a lot. Are using it.

[Vic Michaelis]

Chugging water scams.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Vic Michaelis]

Here we go.

[Lacy Mosley]

In France, there was a Marie Antoinette impersonator.

[Vic Michaelis]

Ooh, yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

And, okay, this is like just a Halloween costume of Marie Antoinette I think we're looking at Jess. But you know what? It's giving. It's giving us the. It's putting us in the headspace of the. The historical period. Okay. We're in our 1785 bag now. Okay. A cell phone. What is this? Magic witchcraft?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Literally drown.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. This was back in the day where women knew things. They'd be like, her. Did she read?

[Vic Michaelis]

You're out of here.

[Lacy Mosley]

All right, let's stone her to death. She's a witch.

[Vic Michaelis]

She's a landowner, so she's out of here. Wasn't that a whole thing with that?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Vic Michaelis]

They kept calling people that had any kind of. Because it was so hard to own land. And so they were like, they're a witch. And now actually that land gets to go to the family of the accused.

[Lacy Mosley]

And if they're not a witch, then when we throw them in the river, then they won't. Okay. If they're a witch, they'll float. And if they're not a witch, they'll sink. Which made no sense.

[Vic Michaelis]

Win win, depending on who you're talking to, I guess.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. That would have been a win win for the pastor. He was like, I was just trying to make sure they weren't witches. Like, if they drown, then they weren't a witch. Now we know. Now we know. If they float, they are a witch. We gotta stone them.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Makes sense to me. So there's a Marie Antoinette impersonator that caused a scandal at the court of Louis XVI that discredited the French monarchy and may have led to the start of the French Revolution. So an impersonator might actually have all of this on their hands.

[Vic Michaelis]

Be the one that started the French Revolution.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. Which is kind of like metal to me. I love it. And it makes me remember, like the last Olympic ceremony when they were in France and they had that really cool performance where they had Marie Antoinette's head.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, yeah. On the building.

[Lacy Mosley]

On the building. Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. And they also made people swim in the dirty ass scene. Like, like, how does racing in Boo Boo water? I believe so.

[Vic Michaelis]

I've been calling it cna. Oh, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

How y' all gonna make me do the Olympics and poop water? This is ridiculous. This is supposed to be a world class event.

[Vic Michaelis]

Really hard, but.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the necklace is where we're starting. The necklace. And we're gonna see the necklace. Look at this. This is Marie Antoine's necklace. It's gorgeous. It's so gaudy. And if you think about 1785, I can't even IM work. It took to make this. Oh, yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

The mixed material, too. Look at that. With the ribbons on the side.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

That really is sensational.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, the ribbons are really kind of giving me a little something. If you especially think about the time period and the flowy kind of ruffly clothing, like, I don't know. I'm into it.

[Vic Michaelis]

You're gonna post this, and Claire's is gonna be all over it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

There's gonna be nine dupes of this for sure.

[Lacy Mosley]

But. But also kind of. The ribbon is getting on my nerves a little bit, though. Cause it's such an intricate, like, beautiful diamond piece. I really hope that you don't have to tie it around your neck with a ribbon. Cause that's crazy.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. That also feels, like, heavy. Like, it would. The ribbon would pill.

[Lacy Mosley]

We're really into the ribbon, so. The necklace was property of the Parisian firm of jewelers Boehmer and Bassinge, Bormil and Basange.

[Vic Michaelis]

Gorgeous.

[Lacy Mosley]

They had personally financed making it on, like a speck, which took years. As they meticulously gathered 674 diamonds of exceptional purity, totaling 284 carats. The result was a masterpiece. A cascading work of diamonds and pearls in an elaborate, like, esclavage style. Esclavage sounds right to me. This is where y' all find out that I can't read. I've been lying to you guys the whole time.

[Vic Michaelis]

I'm so worried that I can't read. I've even seen all those news articles where they're like, 70% of people are not reading at a proper reading level. And I'm like, oh, my God. I think that's me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Or if I read something or I read a book and I'm reading and I think I'm reading too slow. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I should be reading faster.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, all the time.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like. But I did finish a book in a day not too long ago, so maybe I can read.

[Vic Michaelis]

I think you're A plus. Great.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think. I think I'm literate. You all find out that it's just like. Just saying the words, and then I repeat them back, like. Like how Johnny Depp do his lines. And with the earpiece.

[Vic Michaelis]

Is that true?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And the Pirates of Caribbean. Like, some of those, he was like, he had an earwig in, and they would give him the line.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's tough because that's not period accurate.

[Lacy Mosley]

Nah.

[Vic Michaelis]

To the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

[Lacy Mosley]

He could really do anything. We wasn't going to know. We wasn't pirates. But so it's like elaborate in an escalage style, we're gonna say. That's right. Featuring 17 large diamonds at its center, surrounded by intricate garlands and pendants. They had been trying for several years to sell it, but they couldn't find a buyer. Yeah, because it's expensive as hell. Like, who needs this?

[Vic Michaelis]

It's like, do you see those house shows where they're like, this 35 million dollar house has been on the market for a year and we can't find a single buyer.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that's this. Nobody needs $35 million worth of house.

[Vic Michaelis]

And also who. There's four people. You know what I mean? Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Your market is very small. Yeah, it's like.

[Vic Michaelis]

And if they've got a place already in la, like, that's just tough.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's gonna stay on the market. You're gonna have to lower the price or cut it up into some apartment shit. We need housing. But also, like, it's such an expensive piece, but it's also gaudy. And I'm just thinking, like, you have to be someone who's so deeply insulated by security that you would never see anybody who could just snatch it.

[Vic Michaelis]

And I'm gonna say it. Confident. You gotta be confident to wear that.

[Lacy Mosley]

You really do. And you gotta have a strong neck.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, yeah. You gotta be jacked.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like. Yeah, you need like a John Cena type neck. Yeah, like, you need like the Rock would look great in this. Like, his neck is so strong. Yeah, he could rock it.

[Vic Michaelis]

I actually think with necklaces coming back specifically for like strong men. I think the Rock. Absolutely. I think we will be seeing this on him at some sort of a premiere.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I wanna see him in his black turtleneck and his jeans and that necklace.

[Vic Michaelis]

Wait, I love that turtleneck with the necklace on top of it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, yeah. Because it's just a casual, you know, just throw it on.

[Vic Michaelis]

I think that's it. It upscales it a little bit.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, just a high, low, high, low, you know, 284 karat diamond necklace and also a Uniqlo turtle.

[Vic Michaelis]

I was shocked. But you talked me into it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I mean, it could give it.

[Vic Michaelis]

Could give it work.

[Lacy Mosley]

So. So first they tried to get Louis XV to buy it as a present for his mistress, Madame du Baret. Genius. But he died before they finish managed it. So. Yeah, that's probably something that this. So this is her. Her neck looks like it's Strong. Like, it looks like she could really hold that necklace.

[Vic Michaelis]

It does, but unfortunately, with a. With something that specific, to give it to the mistress and then be like, huh, where'd you get that?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right?

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, can you imagine love? Actually, the. The wife sees that in the little ring box and then sees it on her during Christmas.

[Lacy Mosley]

She's like, what the.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Lacy Mosley]

She also has a. Like, a lot of check. Like, I don't know if I have enough chest area. And I don't even mean breast. I mean, just like the. Like the chest plate. The. What's the word for this? Like, I watched the pit bone.

[Vic Michaelis]

Sternum.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sternum. Lot of sternum. Yeah, a lot of sternum. She got a lot of sternum going on.

[Vic Michaelis]

So she's both really putting our pit knowledge to work here. You're right. Do you think that's an artist rendering issue, or do you think that that's being generous sort of with what the artist is given here?

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, they had to sit for the. These portraits forever. And the artist, like, if I sat for like that many hours and they didn't give me some airbrush and some sepia and some, you know, and made me look like a baddie, I would be pissed off. So I think the artist did do a little zhu Jing.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that's tough then.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. But I mean, her dress is giving. I know she probably smelled bad because nobody was bathing back then. And I think about that every time I see a period piece and they start making out, and I'm like, I know y' all breath is hot as hell. Like, why y' all just making out all willy nilly?

[Vic Michaelis]

Four teeth. Yeah, it's hard.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I know y' all ain't taking no baths, so. In 1782, they offered it to Louis XVI for Marie Antoinette. Marie said no. Even when they reduced the price to a steal at 1.6 million livres or like around 17.5 million USD in 2024 or in 2025. She said the funds would be better spent on building a warship, since France had just allied itself with the American insurgents in the Revolutionary War. Also, she didn't like the style, which was in the style of the previous monarchy and looked like a horse's harness.

[Vic Michaelis]

How crazy to be. Like, this money could really be put to better use. And also, it's so ugly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Also, this money could really be put to better use, like a warship.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that's good feeding. People pass.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, they gotta eat cake. Worship, though. Now we're talking. And then they're Aligning with us, our whack asses. Like, literally, we should have paid the taxes like Great Britain paid for us to come over here. And then I say, us. I was stolen. I was a slave. But my ancestors. But, you know, let's pretend that I was one of the thieves who came over here on a boat willingly.

[Vic Michaelis]

A William. A William was a William.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was a William McDougal. Donald. Whatever.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's it.

[Lacy Mosley]

And, like, they were supposed to pay their taxes, and they were like, you know what? We are so far away from y'. All. We. We want freedom. But I get it. If I was that far away, which I guess we are still, like.

[Vic Michaelis]

Sure.

[Lacy Mosley]

Ocean between us. And you want me to send you money? Yeah. Come swim over here and get it.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Which they did.

[Lacy Mosley]

They did.

[Vic Michaelis]

Which was sort of. Sort of what happened. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

That was the war, huh? That was the war. Now that I think about it, they did swim over.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Okay, well. Well, they not teaching y' all history in school no more, so this might be the best you got. Just share this with your baby. Okay. We just explained the American Revolution. Okay? Now, your baby girl right here. Play this clip, especially if you're in Florida. Cause I know they ain't teaching them babies nothing. So, you know, just put this on. So the jewelers attempted to sell the necklace abroad, offering it to Spain, England, the two. Sicily, Tuscany, and Russia. But found no buyers. In desperation, Ballmer even threatened suicide before the queen, begging her to reconsider. But she said no again. Whoa. He said, buy this necklace. I'm gonna kill myself. That's wild.

[Vic Michaelis]

That, honestly, is kind of brilliant just to be like, how much is this necklace worth? A life.

[Lacy Mosley]

A life. Mine.

[Vic Michaelis]

Decide right now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Decide right now. My life or kill me?

[Vic Michaelis]

Kill. You have to do it. You have to kill because you're doing it either way.

[Lacy Mosley]

Buy the necklace or you're killing me.

[Vic Michaelis]

Or I'm giving you a gun and you have to shoot me right now.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, that's too easy. You gotta throw little rocks at me until I die. No. Slow. Not stoned. I want to be pebbled. Pebbled to death.

[Vic Michaelis]

Put me in a box, and glass by glass, you have to pour water in there until I drown. Tough. That's hard, yo.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's a. That's a crazy marketing strategy.

[Vic Michaelis]

I kind of love it.

[Lacy Mosley]

I want to see what's the modern version of this Burger King's like. Have it your way, or we'll have.

[Vic Michaelis]

You know what it is.

[Lacy Mosley]

Leave the planet.

[Vic Michaelis]

My cousin was a part of mlms, and I Do legitimately think what it is, is, like, she would sell stuff on Live, like, on Facebook, and she would be like, we can't get started until I have four more people in my chat or whatever. And that feels like the equivalent of that is her just, like, desperately begging people to jo her live.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

And she can see people's names that are popping up and is calling them out as they're leaving the chat.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. She's like, hi, John. Oh, Steve. You leaving, Steve? Why? You leaving?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You must not love me. You must not want me to live.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's it.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know. It's a strategy. So the swindler, Jean de Valoissent Remy.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, gorgeous.

[Lacy Mosley]

AKA the Countess of de la Mort, was the daughter of Henry II of France through an illegitimate son. She had grown up poor and often begged for food, but took her illegitimate claim to nobility seriously. Contemporary accounts describe her as being thin with small breasts, brown hair, and blue eyes. Now, why do we need to know about her titties?

[Vic Michaelis]

That's gotta be so tough if, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Historically, we gotta put this in the albanac. It was an A cup already.

[Vic Michaelis]

If your personality is that bad that they're, like, scavenging for things to talk about you with. And so that's sort of what they came up with, is just like, breasts small.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's just like.

[Vic Michaelis]

Just searching for adjectives.

[Lacy Mosley]

Her breasts moved boobily as she walks through the castle. Like, what? She had no personality. Because the thing about Marie Antoinette is, like, obviously, like, we weren't even. Our lineages weren't even thought of when she was alive. But we still know some things about her. Some things people made up, things that people said she did. We got movies about her where we. Just guessing. But obviously she had a personality. Clearly, Marie Antoinette was a bad bitch you could never kill. You know what I mean? Yeah. I love the Marie Anne's Fnat movie with Kristen Dunst because they did some fun anachrosms where the word anachrosm means, like, something that's out of a time period, but it's on purpose. So when they were scrolling through, like, all of her French fancy shoes, there was a pair of pink Converse. No, like, they just did little weird stuff like that. I thought that was kind of cool. And I also just love Kristen Gentz. I've loved her since the Virgin Suicide.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, me too. That was my favorite movie I loved.

[Lacy Mosley]

Should that have been our favorite movie?

[Vic Michaelis]

No, I think that that probably did bad things to our developing brains.

[Lacy Mosley]

But we were like, put that on again. It was like, no, you shouldn't be.

[Vic Michaelis]

If somebody doesn't like you, kill yourself in front of them. Unless they want to go on a date with you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Or they don't want to buy your necklace.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Makes sense.

[Vic Michaelis]

I think some of this is starting to come together for me.

[Lacy Mosley]

So all we know about her is her breasts, her hair and her eyes. Robbery.

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[Lacy Mosley]

So she married an officer of the French military and one month later gave birth to twins, both of whom only lived a few days. It was tragic, but they moved on pretty quickly. Assuming.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's so sad.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was tragic, but they moved on pretty quick. Don't worry.

[Vic Michaelis]

They moved on so fast.

[Lacy Mosley]

So fast. Okay. I mean, but this was back in the day where, like, this is the whole reason we have birthdays. We celebrate our birth because the children would just be dying all willy nilly. You had to pop one out and see if they was gonna make it. And if they made it a year, you'd be like, your birthday. Yeah, you're not dead.

[Vic Michaelis]

I never put that together. But of course, wild.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so back then, the kids was dying like hotcakes. So I guess you can't get too attached. Oh, gosh. We'll put a trigger warning in here because I don't want to trigger anybody. But we talking about olden times. We have modern medicine now.

[Vic Michaelis]

17 years.

[Lacy Mosley]

Still dangerous.

[Vic Michaelis]

Still dangerous.

[Lacy Mosley]

Mortality rate for black women, very high.

[Vic Michaelis]

Very high.

[Lacy Mosley]

So they moved on pretty Quickly assuming the made up titles of Count and Countess de la Morton Voix. I'm not saying all that, but you know, they were the Count and Countess of Delayment Valois. Yeah, Yeah. Y' all know where it's at, right? Y' all been to De La Motle? Yeah, I love it. All of my homies love De La Mother.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Every weekend.

[Lacy Mosley]

Every weekend we in Delemonte going to Del Mar. So pretending to have a claim to hire. This is what they did. They pretended they were the Count and the Countess of. So there's a count, the Countess.

[Vic Michaelis]

C' est wa?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, yes. So and they pretended to have this like claim to higher status. They had some money and court privileges, but the Count wasn't able to provide the extravagant lifestyle that the Countess wanted. So she started taking lovers. First, a common gigolo who worked. Who worked in the military. So it was a gigolo who worked in the military with her husband. And later she became one of many women sleeping with the Cardinal Deron, a famous horn dog at the French court. So I'm trying to read this back so I can understand. So she got with the gigolo.

[Vic Michaelis]

Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Who worked in the military with her husband.

[Vic Michaelis]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

So this is her husband home. And she started getting with him.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's so tough that he is working in the military but also has to have a second job.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then she began. She. Then she becomes like the side ho to the Cardinal de Rohan. Rome. Cardinal de Rome. I love that. Yeah. So he's very popular in court now. What I think is interesting about this is like you don't have to necessarily have like a bloodline to be at court. It's kind of like there's the bloodline and then there's just people who are like popular. Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

You either have to be really hot or come from a family which is kind of still life now. Or rich. Yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

It is kind of still like now. That's exactly like now.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's kind of like exactly like now. Like if Instagram was court.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow. We got our Nepo babies.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow.

[Vic Michaelis]

Isn't that always so crazy? Especially being in film and television where it's like there are people that are genuinely so talented, but it is so nuts just like seeing people just pop up and you're like, who is that person? It's like, oh.

[Lacy Mosley]

And they came out of nowhere.

[Vic Michaelis]

Nowhere.

[Lacy Mosley]

But it's like that's how you get funding for a project. You'd be like, oh, that we're also going to write. We're going to put this person in there. And you know, they're Tom Hanks. The son.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you know what, Chet? I already talked about that show. I love it. So the scandal, the cardinal de Bishop of Strasbourg. Why I got to say his whole name like this? Feel like Game of Thrones. I'm like, first of his name, Lord of the Andals. So he was looking to do some reputation rehab for himself when he met the countess, because, remember, he was the court ho. Like, he was out here really just giving. You know, giving it to everybody, and he does not look good. This was Yalls ho. No.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's really tough.

[Lacy Mosley]

This is the man.

[Vic Michaelis]

Bald up top, Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Maybe he got some undercarriage things going on. Popular.

[Vic Michaelis]

Long on the sides, bald up top.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then he got, like, a flip.

[Vic Michaelis]

Up bob, like Farah Fawcett.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, what?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And this. This was y King. This was y man. I was like. Like, I really. Y' all really? Okay.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's really hard to see me.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no.

[Vic Michaelis]

Maybe he was, like, really kind.

[Lacy Mosley]

He had a great personality.

[Vic Michaelis]

A generous lover.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, clearly he was doing all the FR Stuff.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, yeah. There knew something going on there.

[Lacy Mosley]

He probably invented the kiss.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, whoa, the French one.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

I love that, because that really is. It is. There's got to be something else going on there. Maybe it is just the confidence. You know, when he goes up and he's like, I like you and I want to have sex with you.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're like, well, I. Oui, oui, oui. Okay.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oui, oui, oui.

[Lacy Mosley]

So this is the Cardinal horndog, and he's trying to rehabilitate his reputation. So as French ambassador to Vienna from 1772 to 1774, he had slept around a lot, which pissed off Marie Antoinette's mother, the Austrian Empress Maria Theresa.

[Vic Michaelis]

Why is she mad?

[Lacy Mosley]

So Marie herself didn't like the horned dog either, and she cut him out of her inner circle. Rohan wanted to get back in. So this is the cardinal. I'm just gonna call him the cardinal. Cardinal wanted to get back in. But, like, everybody was like, you're a hoe and we hate you. This is Empress Maria Teresa. Now, why was she mad? Did she hook up with Cardinal and then she didn't want him spreading his love?

[Vic Michaelis]

She looks stunned.

[Lacy Mosley]

She really does. You know what? They did have to sit for a long time. And so it does. It's giving. I'm holding in a fart. Or like, I really do need to get to the bathroom, but get them last brushstrokes in, and then I'm gonna go to the royal loo.

[Vic Michaelis]

Chambers. Chambers, Absolutely.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh. Thinking about how rich people, like, you had to be the person to bring over the little pot for them to poop in and then take the poop pot away. That was a job.

[Vic Michaelis]

And a coveted job. Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Vic Michaelis]

To like. Because otherwise, I guess you're just like. Like a serf.

[Lacy Mosley]

Serf. Yeah. At least, I guess you get to live in the castle. I mean, you do have to see poop every day.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's true. But there's, I guess, like, fire and food in the castle.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, there is fire and food.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's really hard to. That. That was a job that people were, like, applying for again, Kind of like today, I guess.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, like today. Like today. So the Countess de La Mall. This is the one with the little boobs. That's how we know her now. So I'm bringing her back in. Remember, the Count. Like, this is the wife of Huge eyes.

[Vic Michaelis]

Tiny. Tiny boobs.

[Lacy Mosley]

Big Eyes, Tiny boobs. She's back in this. Y' all. Are y' all staying with me? Do we all know where the characters are at now? Because I'm starting to get confused myself. So we have the Countess, who named herself the Countess. And remember, she married the French officer, but then she started hooking up with other people because she was like, I need more in my life. And then she started hooking up with the court ho. The court ho? Cardinal de Rohan. And then Marie Antoinette. Mama don't like the court ho. And neither does Marie. But the court ho was like, I want to get back in with the popular kids. Like, I won't have sex with y' all no more. I promise.

[Vic Michaelis]

Image rehab. Hard image rehab.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the Countess de Lamont suggested to the cardinal that Marie Antoinette actually did want the super expensive necklace. She just wanted to get it in secret rather than publicly accepting it. So Marie was like, oh, no, get that ugly thing out of here. We need to spend money on warships and the pores. And then she was like, hey, come.

[Vic Michaelis]

Come back. Come back around here.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, I do want the necklace, but you can't tell nobody.

[Vic Michaelis]

Is it her that's saying. So she.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's a rumor started by the Countess. Little Boobs.

[Vic Michaelis]

So she, like, has stolen the credit card and is kind of like, hey, look what Marie gave me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Look, look.

[Vic Michaelis]

She wants it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Actually, she does want it. So she starts the whisper campaign that Marie.

[Vic Michaelis]

She's doing sort of reverse Farrah Fawcett's bidding cork.

[Roman Mars]

Whoa.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, so this is obviously gonna be, like, something that everybody wants to run with, because everybody knows how expensive this necklace is?

[Vic Michaelis]

Sure.

[Lacy Mosley]

The countess said Marie would be prepared for a formal reconciliation at court if Rowan would do the dirty work of negotiating with the jewelers. So she's making all this up, and she's like, if the cardinal ho does the little backdoor deal for the necklace, then he can get back in good with the court that he slept with. Right? This is convoluted, but okay, Countess, I'm with you.

[Vic Michaelis]

So she's got time on her hands.

[Lacy Mosley]

So Countess little boobs gave. I'm sorry. So we have something to go with now. Gave the cardinal forged letters, supposedly from the queen, and set up a meeting between the two at night at the garden of Versailles. The cardinal was actually talking to a prostitute named Nicole Legue d', Olivia, who had very slight passing resemblance to Marie Antoinette. But he bought it. So she. She was like, so, Countess. Countess Little boobs was like, meet up with this Marie at night. And, you know, this is back at night when they don't have, like, street lights or anything like that. They might have a little candle with them, but, like, flickering in the wind. Flickering in the wind if it's windy. Oh, y' all in the dark. So they meet, and she had hired a sex worker named Nicole d', Auafwe, who kind of looked like Marie Antoinette and had her meet this man in the dark.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

So Cardinal Hill bought it disguised in a muslin gown and veil. Cause you know how it'd be nice. Homie, you gotta wear a veil.

[Vic Michaelis]

Of course.

[Lacy Mosley]

Mm. She had a little bit of Marie Antoinette's vibe, and she handed him a rose and whispered, you know what this means? You can count on the past being forgotten. That was a horrible Frank Jackson. But I need y' all to understand what I'm saying for the past being forgotten.

[Vic Michaelis]

And you've really painted a picture of how, like, ghost stories get started. You know what I mean?

[Lacy Mosley]

Flickering lights, wearing the muslin, wearing the veil as one does. So before he could continue the conversation, the countess's accomplices staged an interruption, cutting the meeting short. They said, oh, she gotta go. She gotta go. She can't say no more. No more. No, no, no, no, no, no. So the cardinal signed a contract with the jewelers to pledge his credit to pay for the necklace in four installments over two years. He got the necklace, gave it to the countess, and she took off.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, good for her.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Did she say, y' all gonna keep talking about my little boobs now I got a big old necklace.

[Vic Michaelis]

Well, she's got so much. So much sternness.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, she does have so much stern.

[Vic Michaelis]

She is the one that can fit that necklace, actually, pretty perfectly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. So when the cardinal failed to raise the first installment in full, the jewelers asked Marie Antoinette directly for payment. She said she never heard of this whole deal and wasn't a part of it. She's like, I don't know. You what? Talking about necklace. I said, no, remember? Warships? Remember? So meanwhile, Count de la Motre, who. This is Countess Gossip Queen. Yes. With the little boobs. We're going to call her Gossip Queen now. We won't call her Little Boobs anymore. All boobs matter. Yeah, but so now she's just going to be Countess Gossip. Okay, so Countess Gossip's husband, Count de Lamont, had taken the necklace to London and sold it off in pieces. The diamonds ended up on the black markets of Paris, London, and Amsterdam.

[Vic Michaelis]

Whoa.

[Lacy Mosley]

So he broke it apart like they were in Mean Girls, and he was like, a little piece for you. Yeah. You look so good in that dress, Gretchen.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's all just diamonds as he's, like, tossing it out.

[Lacy Mosley]

Tossing it out.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's crazy that that was an option the entire time when nobody wanted to buy this necklace. And this guy was getting desperate. Instead of going like, oh, I'll just, like, cut it up and sell it for parts.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. He was like, I'll kill myself. Like, that was a natural emotional next step.

[Vic Michaelis]

That is wild.

[Lacy Mosley]

Break it up in pieces and sell it. That's really wild.

[Vic Michaelis]

He's an artist.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, he's an artist. That's true art. Honestly, he's giving really emotional emo artists.

[Vic Michaelis]

And it's part of the performance now, too. So you're buying sort of the story. I love that.

[Lacy Mosley]

The consequences. Louis xvi or Louis XVI had the cardinal arrested and imprisoned in the Bastille. Now, remember, the cardinal was the one who was trying to rehabilitate his reputation. He thought that. That, you know, this was gonna be the way to do it. He got scammed, and he couldn't pay back the necklace, so he doesn't have the necklace. And he also didn't get to go back to court. And now he's in jail.

[Vic Michaelis]

Tough. But he got to have sex with so many people along the way.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know what? And that's where, you know, you gotta just take your Ls. Sometimes you win some. Sometimes you're in the bazaar, you had sex with everybody.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

As long as you have sex with everybody in court. Other times, you know, then you get locked up. Yeah. Then you're in that. That one movie.

[Vic Michaelis]

You win some, you have sex with everybody some.

[Lacy Mosley]

So what was it? La Miserable. Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Then sometimes you're in Les Miserable.

[Vic Michaelis]

This is the exact plot of Les Miserables.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And I did say La Miserable. Y' all gonna kill me. I am a theater kid. It's Les Miserable. And what is she in? La Miserables. Miserables. Les Miserabless.

[Vic Michaelis]

Did you like the movie?

[Lacy Mosley]

I. I did, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love me some Anne Hathaway. Me, too. I don't know why there was a hate campaign. There was never a hate campaign against her in the black community. So we didn't really know white people's business. But I remember people being like, oh, my gosh, Anne Hathaway is finally back after people had so much disdain for her. And black people were like, our princess from Princess Diaries. We always loved her.

[Vic Michaelis]

No, that was exclusively. I feel like white theater kids that were so mad about it in a way that makes no sense. People were jealous that she could be a movie star and be such a.

[Lacy Mosley]

Good singer and beautiful. And beautiful and nice. And they were like, oh, look at her getting all saccharine. She's not really that happy about that award. It was like, damn, the bitch can't smile. She didn't do nothing to you. She smiled and said thank you. And they're like, oh, it's so sacred. It's so fake. I'm like, listen, this is Anne Hathaway podcast. Anne Hathaway, come on the show. Please come on the show and be hilarious.

[Vic Michaelis]

I won't be here, but you should come and maybe I can watch.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, you can come back. It'll be an ambush.

[Vic Michaelis]

I'll sit in the corner. I'll be so quiet.

[Lacy Mosley]

So, unfortunately, Louis XVI had the cardinal arrested. Right. And imprisoned in the Bastille. He was tried before the Parliament of Paris and eventually acquitted of the charges of having fraudulently acquired the necklace. But he was deported, deprived of all his offices, and exiled to the Abbey of La Chadou in Auvergne. Gorgeous. So that's a. This is where you're banished. This is exile. Exile looks good. I wish this was exile, because I know, like, America's gonna close up shop, so I'm trying to see where I'm gonna go.

[Vic Michaelis]

I love that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Me and my cousins were talking about that in the car. They were like, does Donald Trump have a list of where he's deporting people? Do we have a choice?

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, yeah. Sort of be like, yeah, I'll go back to Ireland or whatever.

[Lacy Mosley]

I have to Stay in Ireland. But the ICE situation is actually extremely serious and so fucked up. Like, it's literally the Gestapo. And it is just so awful to see. But it's also really wonderful to see how many fights I've seen online where, like, Americans are out in the streets just, like, fist fighting.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's like. It's a circle. It's coming. It literally feels like history. We're watching in real time.

[Lacy Mosley]

Repeat itself.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Repeat itself. And since we're not teaching history anymore, people are like, new. This is so new.

[Vic Michaelis]

Brand new.

[Lacy Mosley]

Brand new. Yeah. And it's like, no, babes. This is real old. Yeah. But I do like the people whose first time at protests, and now they're like, well, why don't the protests have any activities for the children? I saw somebody complaining about the corner. Yeah. Complaining about not having any activities for the children and complaining that there was no, like, daycare. Like, it's like, no. What do y' all think we were doing in the 60s? Or, like, I don't know, last week? We have not stopped protesting black people. We haven't. But in the 60s, we were walking around in church suits and painful shoes, getting hosed, attacked by dogs. They didn't have no child care.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like what? Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

And it's why community is so important, is that you've got somebody that is, you know, sick or older, and they can help look after kids or, like, talk to your neighbors. You know what I mean? Like, it's so important. It's like the biggest act of resistance I think we can do right now is, like, getting to know the people around us.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. And building that community back up because we all need it. And that's why there is such a huge, like, I'm not going to contribute that to the loneliness epidemic. Some of y' all just. Just don't have personalities. And so you made your personality hate and women, and that's why you can't get you one. Sure, Sure. I can't feel sorry for you on that one, bro. You should. I mean, work, Read a book, you know, make. Make books your thing. You know, there's plenty of people who don't have a personality, but they are. They have, like, a really intense hobby where they, like, go to the conventions for it, and they have all of it, and they know everything about it. I'm like, that's a personality. That's somebody who didn't have a natural charisma. But they were like, you know what? My charisma is going to be like pogs.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Oh, love it.

[Lacy Mosley]

It.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I. And nobody is more pog than me.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. We both said our thing. I was like, oh, I love Legos. That's my thing.

[Lacy Mosley]

I. I mean, we have personalities. I don't. I don't have a specific hob. I don't know what my. I guess it's scams. Oh, no.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's hard.

[Lacy Mosley]

Did I not have a personality?

[Vic Michaelis]

No, no, no, no. I feel like scams, you have to have an unbelievable amount of personality to just baseline to get into.

[Lacy Mosley]

But I'm, like, the person who's, like, really into them, so that means I'm making SC. Personality. And then I started calling myself Scam Goddess. And then I wrote a book called Scam Goddess. And I have a television show called Scam Goddess. And this podcast is called Scam Goddess. And now I do fraud conventions. Oh, no. Scamming is my personality.

[Vic Michaelis]

Do you do fraud conventions?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I just got back from the global fraud convention. I was speaking there. It was very cool.

[Vic Michaelis]

Is it a trap? I feel like it's a trap to be like, hey, honestly, come to the fraud convention.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's the worst place you want to be if you're a criminal. Because everyone is a sleuth. Everyone is, like, in the FBI or everybody's a forensic accountant or they work for the IRS or. I learned these people do. And I was like, this is the worst place to be a criminal because you. You got all the nerds together, and they're all, like, very specifically focused on catching, like, certain types of fraud.

[Vic Michaelis]

Do they have events where they're like, we're going to do one little crime, and then everyone's going to have to try and figure it out, and whoever figures it out fastest.

[Lacy Mosley]

So fun.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's for free. That's for free for everybody.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's free for y'. All.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. So you can go ahead and take that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, you got to guess who's the criminal. It's like. That's so fun.

[Vic Michaelis]

There you go.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Well, he was exiled to this big, beautiful place.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Gorgeous.

[Lacy Mosley]

To me, that's not quite a punishment. It sounds like you got to have lots of sex and then just, like, a brief stay in a clink. And now you're living your days out in a mansion. So.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, literally, just, like, a garden, a beautiful garden. Probably, like, 2,000 bucks a month or something like that for, like, a beautiful, like, big bedroom.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was, like, inherited, so.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

No money.

[Vic Michaelis]

No money. Free someone else's money.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the Countess de la Motte was sentenced to be Flogged, brain, branded, and in prison for life at the Salpetriere prison in Paris. She was branded with a hot iron with the V for volouse, which means thief. Ah, Voleus. I speak Spanish, guys. Voleus.

[Vic Michaelis]

I'm just. No, you're. It sounds so beautiful.

[Lacy Mosley]

So. Which means thief. So she got branded, like, so everybody would know from there on that she was a criminal.

[Vic Michaelis]

Whoa.

[Lacy Mosley]

And when you think about, like, today's timing, like, unless you get, like, unless your crime is so famous that they do a documentary, like, that's kind of. Our branding now is like, Hulu puts out a doc about you.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. And now we all know it happened.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. While it's happening.

[Vic Michaelis]

Crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Did you see the advertisement on Hulu for the Diddy documentary? I'm not going to talk about Diddy or anything. He did. Yes. Because that's gross. And he's. We know he's a bad, horrible, horrible person. But what was shocking to me was that it would be like, every day that they were having court, then the doc would be up, like, today in court, I'm like, like, what? How you making a documentary? He's literally.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's literally happening in real time. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, they. They're so thirsty to be first now that I feel like they're, like, running out of the courtroom and just, like, uploading, like, just like how I post to Instagram. Hulu posts.

[Vic Michaelis]

Like, it's all vertical stitched together with cap cut.

[Lacy Mosley]

A documentary with cap cut is crazy. And you know, you know, you know, we love Hulu here. Okay? We love Hulu Scam goddess on and going. We love Hulu. Hulu. My best friend, Hulu. Hulu has really lifted me up in my times of need.

[Vic Michaelis]

And I think you're the most talented person on the planet. So we love Hulu. We love them.

[Lacy Mosley]

We love them right there next to me. So also, the flogging here is getting me. So flogging is like when they, like, whip you with, like, a. With a. With a whip.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, is that what it is?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Vic Michaelis]

I think maybe because flog rhymes with log. I am just picturing, like, a plank. You know what I mean? That can't be right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, she had to just hold a plank. That was, like, her punishment.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, yeah. She's getting jacked.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, no. Like getting hit with a plank.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's what I thought. But I think it is just because flog rhymes with flog.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. That is so much more intense. Yeah. It's when you get hit with a whip. But getting hit with A plank is wild as hell.

[Vic Michaelis]

Did you see Da Vinci Code? Is this what happens in Da Vinci Code with the Paul Bettany Bettan?

[Lacy Mosley]

I didn't see it, but I'm guessing that it probably is because it was like a big Christian act too. Like self flagellation. Yeah. Where you like, whip yourself.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, there we go. And so not only did they put a V on her chest so people could tell that she was coming, they also whooped her ass. Like, that's crazy. And like. And they threw her in jail. Like, she got all the punishments.

[Vic Michaelis]

Hers seems worse than the guy that. That was the one that actually had his fingerprints over everything.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, he technically thought he was paying for it and it was stolen from him, so that's why he was let out and he got to go to the mansion. But she straight up did set up the whole scam and scheme.

[Vic Michaelis]

So she got the court.

[Lacy Mosley]

She started rumors in court, remember? And she set up the scheme. And so they were like, well, we gonna have to beat your ass and brand you, then we're throwing you in jail. Like, that's a lot of prison. I mean, a lot of punishment.

[Vic Michaelis]

I feel like, like, if. I mean, like, I don't know, sort of like what the. What the sort of the business world was like at that time. But I do feel like that could end up being like a calling card. Be like, look what I did. Look, I was able to. I didn't get away with it. But like, look at all that I scam.

[Lacy Mosley]

Marie Antoinette. Yeah. Yeah. She's definitely like famous in jail. Like, she's like a Jin Shaw in jail for sure.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, 1,000%.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, she's definitely famous. So in June 1787. Oh, our good sis, Countess Gossip. AKA formerly known as Countess Little Boobs.

[Vic Michaelis]

I love that you changed her name so you didn't have to say little boobs anymore. But it is just kind of fun to say.

[Lacy Mosley]

Unfortunately, I just need to remind people.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So in June 1787, she escaped from prison dressed as a boy. Okay. See those little boobs came in handy.

[Vic Michaelis]

Safe her life.

[Lacy Mosley]

Saved her life. So she left dressed as a boy. She fled to England and published scandalous memoirs. Shit talking the Queen. I love this person so much.

[Vic Michaelis]

Incredible is writing Tell all.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, you left jail and instead of quietly, like living as someone who has fleed prison, you were like, I'm gonna start. Lady Whistle Boobs. Countess Little Boobs. Lady Whistledown, like in Eng. And just talk shit about the Queen.

[Vic Michaelis]

Incredible.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my goodness. So the full title is Memoirs of The Contessa de la Monte, containing a complete justification of her conduct and an explanation of the intrigues and artifices used against her by her enemies relative to the diamond necklace. That is the whole title. Snappy, very snappy.

[Vic Michaelis]

Right off the tongue.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh my. That is a long ass title. And I love that in here. She's like, it's an explanation of her condent or I'm sorry, her conduct and how her enemies were hating on her and how really we can justify what she did. She's like, first of all, it was justified. Second of all, they was all hating on me.

[Vic Michaelis]

I love this too, because she's, I guess, theoretically been in jail for years at this point. Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, she got out in 1780 and let me see when she was flogged.

[Vic Michaelis]

Check the flog date.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, we got to look at the flog date to see if she was in jail very long. Because I want to say that she wasn't.

[Vic Michaelis]

Okay. Because I'm like, then I guess it is topical. But even if like two years had gone past, surely other things have happened at this point, you know what I mean?

[Lacy Mosley]

After 1774. So I think in 1785 is when the scam happened. So 1787, she couldn't have been there long.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, like three years.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

So I guess long enough that people would remember it, but they would have been like, oh, right, that thing that happened, happened. Or maybe news just didn't move as fast at that point in time. But it is funny, of course not like, but then she wrote an entire book and got it published and got distribution. People would have been clamoring for that distribution. Let's be honest.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, I think that it's not a book. It does say memoirs, but pamphlet, I think. Loose paper lady Whistledown.

[Vic Michaelis]

She's mean girl style, back to the crown. Just like ripping out pages and like throwing it down the hallway for people to read.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, that was definitely what was happening. And I guess they have some of them. So she did this in 1789. A bad bitch you could never kill. Yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

Really incredible.

[Lacy Mosley]

So, yeah, it's like a little gossip rag.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

That she's just throwing out to the people and talking her shit. So though Marie Antoinette didn't actually do anything wrong here. The scandal confirmed the belief of French people at the time that she was morally loose and frivolous. Damn, why she gotta be morally loose? She just. So people were looking for reasons to hate on her. Right. This Marie Antoinette, I kind of lowkey. Don't believe a lot of the Stuff that they say about Marie Antoinette. Because isn't it historically inaccurate? Like, didn't she never say, let them eat cake?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Wasn't it somebody else or she said something.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, they said that was made up. And I'm like, she was just a bab. And y' all was just hating on the bab. That's what it's giving it.

[Vic Michaelis]

It really is so tricky because it's like, I totally understand people being frustrated and being like, you're so rich and like, nobody is doing anything. But also, too, I would imagine, being a woman during that time, she didn't really have any power in the situation, did she?

[Lacy Mosley]

Maybe she did talk about those warships.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, yeah, a bunch. Well, she didn't get them. She just talked about them. She didn't get them.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. She was, like, looking at them. She was like, she was shopping for a war.

[Vic Michaelis]

She was shopping for a warship. Couldn't find the one in the right color that she liked.

[Lacy Mosley]

So they already didn't like that. She was originally from Austria rather than France. She was relatively uneducated, educated. She spent a lot of money.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And France itself was being like, they were in a recession. So this was putting everybody in a really bad mood. Yeah. Recession is putting it lightly. These people were starving on the streets. Like, is that what we're calling a recession now? It seems like a little recession. People starving on the streets, you know, giving away their babies. Yeah, yeah.

[Vic Michaelis]

No home, no clothes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Scraping his ground.

[Vic Michaelis]

Tough look.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. But, you know, the markets will be back up soon. Like, now we're back into present day.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. It is really tough because it's like, on the one hand, like, did Marie Antoinette say, let them eat cake? Maybe not, but she is like, I don't know. I was really hoping for a red warship, and they only have it in silver.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right.

[Vic Michaelis]

And that's really tough.

[Lacy Mosley]

She didn't say it, but she kind of said it with her action.

[Vic Michaelis]

We're making it snappier. Somebody punched it up for her, actually. They're doing her a favor.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly. So. So the arbitrary arrest of the cardinal. And that's Cardinal Horny Mann, remember?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

The pressure put on his judges and the final disgrace made the king look weak and his government look tyrannical. This whole, like, necklace situation happened, and it was. Remember Countess gossip? Countess Little boobs. Yeah. Remember, Remember she was going around talking shit about Marie Antoinette and saying that she was trying to buy this necklace. So all of this makes the king look weak. Right. It looks like the women are running the court. And how Dare women run things.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, because of that pesky, you know, womanhood.

[Vic Michaelis]

Of course. Classic.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So the king now looks really weak, and his government also looks like assholes because y' all over here talking about a $17 million necklace while people are starving.

[Vic Michaelis]

That is so funny that they're like, the people are really unhappy. It must be because the women are running the court. That's got to be it. That's why they're unhappy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. We can't have women running things because.

[Vic Michaelis]

People are starving and dying in the street. No, no, no, no, no, no. Ladies.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's because of these ladies. And back to present day, we could have had Kamala Harris, but. But y' all were like, no, not a woman. Yeah, with her. With her. With her woman. No, no, no, no, no. We will take the criminal who is literally robbing us blind and deporting citizens.

[Vic Michaelis]

Front of our faces. Oh, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's not important. Even blind. He didn't even bother. He was like, no, I'm stealing from y'. All. When did my jet get here? That I'm. He's definitely gonna try to take that jet when he leaves office.

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, yeah. 1,000%. He's, like, putting his name on it. It's like, come my name on it. What are you gonna do with it? It's got my name on it.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's Trump. And no, it's for me. They said I could take to one thing. Reagan did it.

[Vic Michaelis]

Somebody.

[Lacy Mosley]

Somebody had a. Had a plane.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that classic role. When you leave the presidency, you get to take one thing with you.

[Lacy Mosley]

But, like, I think he's trying to play it. Like, I think what he's gonna do is pretend like he's putting it in his presidential library, because presidents in the past have done that. But then it's gonna disappear.

[Vic Michaelis]

The plane is going in the library. The plane is gonna teach kids how to read. There's no drag queen story time. There's gonna be plain story time.

[Lacy Mosley]

The kids are gonna learn how to read. They're gonna get in the plane, and they're gonna learn to read so good. We got the best people from the military.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whose wives will be teaching. The wives have the bachelor degree. It's fine.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's fine.

[Vic Michaelis]

You're doing an excellent impression. I can't even try.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, it haunts my dreams. Well, I guess those would be called nightmares.

[Vic Michaelis]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Lacy Mosley]

A dream with trumpeted is not a dream. So they already hated on Marie. Right. And now, like, the king looks weak because all this stuff is Going on. You know, everybody's gossiping. So the diamond necklace incident was one of many factors leading to the end of the political and social systems in France and therefore to the French Revolution, including Marie Antoine Antoinette's death by guillotine.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So all of this basically got ramped up because of Countess Little Boobs and her scam.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, it's like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And her gossiping.

[Vic Michaelis]

And it kind of seems like the winner in all of this is the guy that she used. What's his name again? Oh, Lord Farquaad.

[Lacy Mosley]

What is it? Let's go with that. No, her ex husband. Or maybe they stayed together.

[Vic Michaelis]

Partner, this guy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right.

[Vic Michaelis]

Cause he sort of.

[Lacy Mosley]

He was the mark, though.

[Vic Michaelis]

But didn't he end up just like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Getting Mrs. Cardinal horny? Mrs. Cardinal. He was the mark.

[Vic Michaelis]

Right, of course. So it seems like the husband is the one that sort of walked off and was like.

[Lacy Mosley]

The husband really kind of won. But I think the husband did end up having to go to somebody's jail. Right. But the husband kind of won, so.

[Vic Michaelis]

So, okay, there you go.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the affair probably should have bankrupted the jewelers Ballmer and Bastarange, but their company is still over around today. Whoa. And I mean, there's the. Do we like these earrings?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, that. That one.

[Lacy Mosley]

Do I like the only earring we can see? Big, right?

[Vic Michaelis]

Oh, whoa. So it's. So listen, art comes in all forms, and sometimes people. It's good. Do you like it?

[Lacy Mosley]

Um, can we zoom in a little bit more?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, maybe zoom in a little bit more. That's gonna be the problem is we're just not seeing it. Maybe zoom out a lot more, actually.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, maybe further away.

[Vic Michaelis]

Way further away. Oh, that's much better.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then let me just. Okay. When I look at it from back here now. Oh, yeah, that's. That's good. That's a good thing. Huh?

[Vic Michaelis]

It kind of looks like a jellyfish, if I'm being honest. Like a sexy jellyfish.

[Lacy Mosley]

It looks like something you would find at Claire's in like a half off, like a 70% off bin.

[Vic Michaelis]

Okay, here's what I'll say about it. That's good. Is that from far away you can tell that she's wearing earrings. So if you want people from afar to be able to tell that you're wearing an earring, that is absolutely accomplishing it.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're gonna be. They're gonna know.

[Vic Michaelis]

How much is that. Is this one of those things where they don't put the prices on the website?

[Lacy Mosley]

Is it so expensive that they don't put the price on the website, like, inquire within.

[Vic Michaelis]

And then they see that you have a Gmail account, and they're like, we're not even gonna send this back to you.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're poor. You. You can't afford this. If you need to know the price, that means you can't afford it.

[Vic Michaelis]

You can't afford it for home.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oui, oui. Okay, this. That's. No, no. Okay. We have to post that photo on the. Look, what kind of jewelry are y' all making?

[Vic Michaelis]

If you like this, I will support you 1000%. I'll go bad for you in the comments.

[Lacy Mosley]

I want you to have it if it's what you want.

[Vic Michaelis]

Because that's all jewelry, right? If, like, it's like, my mom used to like those Pandora bracelets. And I'm like, I love that for you. I'm so happy that you like that.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love Pandora because it is a multi level marketing, like, scheme where it's like, you buy the bracelet, but then every year you gotta get her a new little charm to commemorate the bracelet. So you're buying the bracelet forever.

[Vic Michaelis]

Forever. It's a multi level marketing scheme for.

[Lacy Mosley]

Never stop buying the bracelet.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, those are. Now we found something that's.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, it's a lot of diamonds.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, okay, okay. We keep trying to like it and then we really see it and we're.

[Vic Michaelis]

Like, oh, it's like, you know what? Okay, here's what they should do. This slideshow is happening every, like, three seconds. They're flipping through slides. If they were flipping through these sides, like, at like 0.5 seconds. So we were literally just getting flashes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah. Then we'd be like, bling, bling.

[Vic Michaelis]

Like if we were having a war.

[Lacy Mosley]

Flashback or something like that girls club, like, the old, like, logo. Like, why do I. This old Titanic ass jewelry.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's very. My heart will go on. Every piece.

[Vic Michaelis]

1,000.

[Lacy Mosley]

Every piece needs to be worn until old age and then thrown into the ocean.

[Vic Michaelis]

Ocean.

[Lacy Mosley]

And on that note, that brings us to the end of a fantastic episode. Vic, you are amazing.

[Vic Michaelis]

Lacy, I literally, I truly cannot tell you what a fan I am of this podcast. I've been traveling and I've been listening to it over and over again. So I've been listening to your voice for so long, and now, like, being in person and watching your voice come out of your mouth in real time is very surreal. So it, like, truly, I'm such a fan, first and foremost.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you so much. I want to come do your show. Vip.

[Vic Michaelis]

Have to. We're going to beg you.

[Lacy Mosley]

And on that. Is there anything else you want to plug where people can see you all those things?

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah. Transgender Law center, obviously, with a lot of horrible, terrible, very bad things going on, is a really wonderful resource. Go follow them or find truly any local organization that you feel strongly about. I've got a lot of LGBTQ ones that I feel really strongly about. But truly, anything that is doing good in your community at a local level, please go follow. Go support. Even if you can't monetarily with your follow and your signal boost would be great. That's what I would like to plug.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love that. And then for us, I guess I'm just going to be the capitalist here. D I V A L A C I D VALACY on all platforms. If you want to see the photos of all this beautiful jewelry. Beautiful jewelry.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's so.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's big.

[Vic Michaelis]

It's big, and it's there, and you can see it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Big jewelry. There we go. Jewelry is not a lie. I was like, I can say real fast. Jewelry.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Then you can go on Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram or Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter if you'd like to chat with me. All episodes of Scam Goddess are streaming now on Hulu. All of the first season of Going Dutch is also streaming now on Hulu. And who knows, by this time, I might already be back in Ireland, so remember me different. And then my book, Scam Goddess, you can purchase where books are sold or audiobooks. And charity definitely do that.

[Vic Michaelis]

Yep.

[Lacy Mosley]

I had to bring it back. I feel like I just sold way too many.

[Vic Michaelis]

No, no, listen, here's the thing is, like, I think that honestly, taking. You create so much joy, and all of your things create so much joy. And I think, like, preserving some peace and, like, having joy to go, like, donate to charity and do work and stuff like that is also really important.

[Lacy Mosley]

And like, Vic, I know you're really involved in these causes, but, like, I feel like. Because your plug was so. I feel like people are gonna listen to this and be like, okay. They just, like, gave us some good resources to help the community. And then I'm like, and buy my stuff and buy this stuff and buy that stuff.

[Vic Michaelis]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Am I Marie Antoinette?

[Vic Michaelis]

I'll do one, too. I'll do a. I'll do a one that I. That's, like, fun, too. I like Slinkies. I've gotten back into Slinkys recently. So go find one online. Buy it from a big box store. And so that's my other plug and.

[Lacy Mosley]

That'S like not even your slinky. You're not going to receive any pros and seeds. No.

[Vic Michaelis]

And I don't have stairs.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sitting here with an angel and me just a little devil.

[Vic Michaelis]

That's what I keep telling everyone.

[Lacy Mosley]

But congregation, I want y' all to get out there and I want y' all to get out there. Okay, you know what, Congregation? I want you to get out there and stay contesting, okay? Con contest things. And also be a contessa, or account scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay Scheming.

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