Aileen Wuornos: The Monster Behind An Oscar Winning Performance Pt. 2 | Serial Killers & Murderous Minds

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Podcast Summary: Scams, Money, & Murder

Episode: Aileen Wuornos: The Monster Behind An Oscar Winning Performance Pt. 2 | Serial Killers & Murderous Minds
Hosts: Vanessa Richardson & Dr. Tristan Engels
Date: March 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is the conclusion of a two-part deep dive into the life, crimes, and psyche of Aileen Wuornos, often labeled “America’s first female serial killer.” Hosts Vanessa Richardson and Dr. Tristan Engels dissect the psychological, societal, and investigative aspects of Wuornos’s murder spree, scrutinizing her shifting narratives, motives, troubled relationships, and ultimate fate. The discussion also foregrounds broader themes of trauma, bias, and the failings of criminal and mental health systems, challenging listeners to consider what truly “makes a killer.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Escalation & Mistakes: Wuornos’s Later Murders

• Victims & Changing Methods (04:43–09:10)
  • Wuornos’s victims from late 1989 to late 1990: Richard Mallory, David Spears, Charles Carskadin, Peter Seams, Troy Burris, Charles Richard “Dick” Humphries, and Walter Antonio.
  • Routine: Wuornos gained her victims’ trust and lured them off main roads before killing and robbing them.
  • Her coverups began to slip after the Peter Seams murder; notably, she kept Seams's car and left behind a handprint after crashing it with partner Tyra Moore.
• Analysis of Carelessness (06:07)
  • “Serial killers do become careless, especially if they are psychologically unraveling or emotionally impulsive... It could have been a way to establish meaning from Peter’s death.” — Dr. Tristan Engels

2. Victimology and Psychological Drivers

• Victim Selection (06:07–13:47)
  • Wuornos’s earlier victims fit her “mission-oriented” type—targeting men she perceived as predators. The killing of Peter Seams and later Dick Humphries deviated from this pattern.
  • “Dick was a former police chief and child abuse investigator…those are two roles tied to institutions that she felt failed or harmed her in some way.” — Dr. Engels (13:47)
• The Role of Trophies and Relics (18:34)
  • Wuornos kept items (jewelry, badges, billy clubs) from victims, sometimes gifting them to Tyra Moore. This served as a way to reclaim power rather than for gratification.
  • “She wanted to remove his power and reclaim it for herself in every way possible.” — Dr. Engels

3. Investigative Breakthroughs and Increasing Pressure

• Police Catch Up (14:28–21:45)
  • Connective clues: Use of .22 caliber pistol, similarities in crime scenes, and eventually forensic matches (handprints, pawn shop fingerprint).
  • Composite sketches and media coverage led to hundreds of tips, finally identifying Wuornos and Tyra as suspects.
  • Relationship unravel: Tyra leaves, Wuornos spirals into self-destruction.

4. Capture, Confession, and Ethics of Interrogation

• Tyra’s Involvement & Recorded Confession (24:35–28:33)
  • Police promise Tyra Moore immunity in exchange for getting Wuornos to confess on tape.
  • “I’m going to go down in history.” — Aileen Wuornos to Tyra Moore (27:58)
  • Dr. Engels notes: Wuornos’s confession is partly an “attachment decision to protect Tyra…She knew confessing now was going to protect Tyra and preserve what was good about that relationship.”

5. Infamy, Exploitation, and the Search for Meaning

• Public Fascination & Wuornos’s Search for Belonging (29:46–32:56)
  • Wuornos receives attention from the public, including Arlene Pralle, who “adopts” her for supportive and likely self-serving reasons.
  • “This was probably the second least abusive connection she had, and she had more to gain from it than to lose.” — Dr. Engels

6. The Trial: Contradictions & Trauma

• Wuornos’s Courtroom Testimony (35:48–40:50)
  • Shares harrowing sexual assault allegations against Richard Mallory, appearing shaken and emotionally raw.
  • Many question her credibility due to changing narratives and social stigma.
  • “Statistically, women like Aileen who are disenfranchised and vulnerable are at the highest risk for sexual violence and are the least likely to be protected or taken seriously... inconsistent narratives doesn't automatically disprove her either... trauma survivors like Eileen often retell events in fragmented and contradictory ways...” — Dr. Engels (38:29)

7. Sentencing and Downward Spiral

• Death Penalty and Influence of Religion (40:50–43:50)
  • Wuornos is found guilty and sentenced to death, partly influenced by her adoptive mother’s religious guidance.
  • Her legal representation is criticized as inept; Wuornos eventually pleads guilty to all murders, recants self-defense claims, and embraces a narrative of hatred and resignation.

8. Mental Health, Competency, and Execution

• Competency Controversies & Final Days (45:19–49:18)
  • Evidence of Wuornos’s potential psychosis in her final interviews (e.g., claims of police conspiracies and torture).
  • Dr. Engels raises concerns about the lack of a thorough competency evaluation.
  • “She was incarcerated on death row for years, isolated, stripped of agency…anyone’s reality can become distorted.” — Dr. Engels (48:05)

9. Death and Legacy

• Execution & Last Words (49:18)
  • “I’d like to say I’m sailing with the rock, and I’ll be back like Independence Day with Jesus, June 6, like in the movie, Big Mothership and all. I’ll be back.”
  • Wuornos’s ashes are claimed by her lifelong friend, Dawn Botkins.
  • Vanessa Richardson sums up: “...the real tragedy is that they transformed Eileen into someone who inflicted pain on others. And in the end, seven men lost their lives. All because they had the misfortune of spotting Aileen Wuornos on the side of the highway.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On trauma and narrative:
  “Trauma survivors like Eileen often retell events in fragmented and contradictory ways, especially when they are experiencing dissociation, shame, or emotional dysregulation... there is no such thing as a perfect victim. False reporting is rare, and we should all actively challenge our implicit biases...”
  — Dr. Tristan Engels (38:29)

• On Wuornos’s need for control:
  “She’s using her rage as an armor to protect her identity... In her mind, she could be executed as someone who was viewed as powerless... or she could be executed as someone who reclaimed her power and maintained it.”
  — Dr. Tristan Engels (43:50)

• On final interview and state of mind:
  “She may have been expressing real fears through a distorted lens... in death, at least to her, no one has control over her anymore.”
  — Dr. Tristan Engels (49:18)

• Wuornos’s last words:
  “I’d like to say I’m sailing with the rock, and I’ll be back like Independence Day with Jesus, June 6, like in the movie Big Mothership and all.”
  — Aileen Wuornos (49:18)

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Timeline of Crucial Segments

• Wuornos’s murders & method: 04:43–09:10
• Analysis of victimology & impulses: 06:07, 13:34
• The car crash & police evidence: 04:43–07:55
• Breakdown in Wuornos/Moore relationship: 21:45–24:35
• Confession under duress from Tyra Moore: 24:35–28:33
• Public & personal exploitation (Arlene Pralle): 29:46–32:56
• Wuornos’s trial testimony & trauma: 35:48–40:50
• Downward spiral and appeal withdrawal: 43:50–45:19
• Competency, delusions, and final days: 45:19–49:18
• Execution and aftermath: 49:18–end

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Tone and Language

The hosts maintain a thoughtful, analytical tone—mixing psychological insight with empathetic storytelling. Dr. Tristan Engels interjects with clinical analysis, while Vanessa Richardson guides the narrative, raises ethical questions, and provides context. The language aims to humanize even the darkest aspects of Wuornos’s life, without excusing her crimes.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Wuornos’s crimes were shaped by deep trauma, marginalized status, and mental illness, but her actions had devastating consequences.
• The episode challenges listeners to reflect on societal failures, the complexities of trauma survivors, and the intersection of justice, media, and public perception.
• Wuornos’s final narrative attempts to reclaim agency—even in self-destruction—questioning whether a person can find dignity, meaning, or legacy in their own infamy.

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For further depth and case sources, the hosts recommend:

• The Orlando Sentinel archives
• The film Life and Death of a Serial Killer by Nick Broomfield

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Transcript

[Vanessa Richardson]

Hi, it's Vanessa. If you're drawn to true crime stories about disappearances, there's a new Crime House original you should check out. It's called the Final Hours, hosted by Sarah Turney and Courtney Nicole. Sarah's an advocate for missing and murdered victims whose own sister disappeared in 2001. And Courtney is a true crime storyteller who's seen firsthand how crime can change a family forever. Together, they bring lived experience to every case, examining the moments just before a person disappears. The routines, the timelines, the small details that often get overlooked because every disappearance has a moment where everything still feels normal. Until it doesn't. Listen to and follow the final hours on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes drop every Monday. This is Crime House. We may want the truth to be black and white, but the reality is it's not that simple. The way one person experiences a situation might be different from how someone else remembers it. And when it comes to murder cases, getting to the core facts can be extremely tricky, especially when the person at the center of an investigation keeps changing their story. That's what happened with Aileen Wuornos. Although she admitted to killing seven men in Florida between late 1989 and 1990, the details she provided kept changing. And there was nobody there to set the record straight because the only ones who really knew what happened were dead. The human mind is powerful. It shapes how we think, feel, love, and hate. But sometimes it drives people to commit the unthinkable. This is Killer A Crime House Original. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

And I'm Dr. Tristan Engels. Every Monday and Thursday, we uncover the darkest minds in history, analyzing what makes

[Vanessa Richardson]

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[Dr. Tristan Engels]

As Vanessa goes through the story, I'll be talking about things like how Eileen was able to deceive people so effectively, her reliance on questionable relationships, and her final spiral into what seemed like a break with reality.

[Vanessa Richardson]

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late 1989 and May of 1990, 34 year old Eileen Wuornos took the lives of three men as she hitchhiked across Florida. Her victims, Richard Mallory, David Spears and Charles Carskadin, were all middle aged men who were traveling alone when they picked her up. Eileen's stories about what happened before she killed her victims have been wildly inconsistent over the years, but the end result was always the same. After getting into the men's cars, she convinced them to drive into the woods where she murdered them and stole their valuables. Afterwards. Eileen always covered her tracks. She made sure to vary the locations of her murders and dropped her victims cars far from the crime scenes to cover her tracks. However, In June of 1990 she started to become careless. That month she killed her fourth victim, a retiree named Peter Seams. But instead of getting rid of his car, she held onto it. Eileen even let her girlfriend, 27 year old Tyra Moore, drive it around. But on the 4th of July, the women crashed the vehicle. Eileen was in a hurry to flee the scene before the police could arrive and question her. But she got scraped up during the wreck and ended up leaving a handprint on the car door handle.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

This seems careless not just because of the handprint, but because she took Peter's car to begin with and has been driving it around a lot of times. Serial killers do become careless, especially if they are psychologically unraveling or emotionally impulsive. Some may have a subconscious desire to be caught but in Eileen's case, was it carelessness or something more? I think there are a few things that can explain this. Firstly, her decision to keep the car may have been an impulsive one, driven by survival needs. It also could have been a way to establish meaning from Peter's death. Because Eileen, although more nuanced than most, would likely be categorized as a mission oriented serial killer. And they target a particular group of people that they view as undesirable. But Peter didn't fit her target demographic because as far as we know, he wasn't predatory or threatening. So she didn't have moral justification for what she had done. So keeping his car may have been a way to establish meaning for this, because the car became useful for her and Tyra. It could also have been a way to pretend as if nothing happened to balance out her moral injury. But then she leaves the bloody handprint. Now, with borderline personality disorder and likely complex ptsd, Eileen already struggles to pause between thought and action. She was in a car accident. There were witnesses. This is going to activate her threat response. And she went into flight mode. So to her, she was in crisis. And that reduces rational thought, disrupts attention to detail, memory encoding and awareness. More so than someone without such an extensive trauma history. And this car accident happened out in the open. She'd been very meticulous about covering her tracks when she would lead people into the woods, but this was unexpected. It was uncontrolled, it was unplanned, and she had to act fast.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Well, this time, Eileen had left behind enough evidence for the police to catch her. But they didn't know they were dealing with a serial killer yet. And because they still hadn't found Peter's body, they treated it like a missing person's case instead of a homicide, making the investigation a little less intense. Which meant they didn't follow up on the handprint. And once Eileen realized nobody was coming after her, she claimed another. Another victim. In late July 1990, a few weeks after her car wreck, Eileen crossed paths with a man named Troy Burris. 50 year old Troy worked as a refrigerated truck driver for a sausage company. He wasn't supposed to have anyone in his work truck, but on July 30, somewhere along his route, Eileen caught his attention and he let her in. As they were driving through the Okala National Forest, Eileen convinced him to pull off into the woods. As with each of her victims, it's not clear what happened once they were alone. In one interview, Eileen claimed Troy attacked her. But in another instance, she said she simply saw an opportunity to steal from him. Either way, Eileen shot Troy twice in the torso, stole his money and valuables, and left his body in the woods. Like Eileen's other victims, Troy was discovered partially undressed. Who? However, it's unclear if that was because they actually had sex, or if Eileen manipulated the crime scene to make it look like they did, or if this was an attempt to get rid of evidence. Regardless of what happened, when Troy failed to come home that night, his wife called his work to report him missing. His boss immediately drove along Troy's delivery route to see if there was anything suspicious. On his way back, he found Troy's empty truck idling at an intersection halfway between Daytona beach and Ocala. Troy's boss had driven past that same spot only an hour earlier. He'd missed Eileen by just a few minutes. And when a family on a picnic found Troy's body a few days later, she was saved by another twist of fate. The humid Florida summer had caused his body to decompose very quickly. Because of that, the two.22 caliber bullet wounds in Troy's torso were confused for a single shotgun wound. This made it harder for police to connect his murder to Eileen's other crimes, where she used the same type of gun after Troy's death. The next month passed without incident. With the extra money Eileen was bringing in from selling her victim's valuables, she and Tyra had finally found some stability. But according to Eileen, Tyra had no idea where that money was coming from. And although Tyra wasn't asking too many questions, Eileen still had to be careful. To play it safe. Eileen rented a storage unit where she kept items that were too suspicious to pawn off. However, that meant her income stream eventually dried up, and by the summer of 1990, she was ready to seek out a new victim. 56 year old Charles Richard Humphries, who went by Dick had enjoyed a long and varied career. He'd been a police chief and an air force major before landing his current job as a social worker investigating child abuse. The hours were long and intense, so on the night of September 10, 1990, Dick and his wife turned in. Early the next morning, Dick drove to Sumterville, about an hour from his home in crystal river. Around 4pm he called his secretary to say he was finishing things up and would head home soon. Somewhere along the way, Eileen Wuornos flagged him down. Dick's family said he just wasn't the kind of guy to drive past someone who seemed like they needed help. Based on his career, that Seems likely. And unfortunately for him, Eileen had perfected the art of looking like a damsel in distress. Out of all her victims, Eileen has been the most tight lipped about Dick Humphries. But whatever happened that night, she wasn't able to get him into the woods. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to save him, because at some point, Eileen got Dick alone, and then she killed him. When Dick didn't come home, he was reported missing. The next day, police found his body in a housing development. He was fully clothed, killed by six.22 caliber bullet wounds.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

Eileen is a skilled deceiver in many ways that I think for her, lying was more of a survival instinct. As a result of a fragmented identity in her life, she had to become whoever and whatever she needed to be in order to survive. So in a sense, it's second nature for her to emotionally improvise. Storytelling became adaptive. She also, unfortunately, learned early on that telling the truth was unsafe. So rather than be protected after reporting her sexual assault as a child, she was blamed, shamed, shipped off, and shunned. I feel that Dick's death seems to be due to displaced rage rather than reactive survival. And that's because of what Dick represents. He was a former police chief and currently a social worker investigating child abuse. And both of those systems represented protective failures and abusive power to someone like Eileen.

[Vanessa Richardson]

What about the fact that Dick had all his clothes on? Does it lend more credence to the idea that sex was involved in her other murders? Or if not, why wouldn't she want to make it look like this was a sex work transaction gone bad?

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

Yeah, so the fact that Dick was fully clothed is very telling. Eileen appeared to me, like I said, mission oriented. Her victims were men she perceived as predatory or abusive toward women. As I mentioned earlier, this killing seemed to stem more from displaced rage than a sexual encounter gone wrong. Dick was a former police chief and child abuse investigator, and those are two roles tied to institutions that she felt failed or harmed her in some way. So because of that, she didn't need to fabricate a narrative of self defense to justify his murder. In her mind, it was already justified. And that, to me, explains why she didn't want to make this look like a sex transaction gone bad. Because she didn't need to.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Well, even though Dick Humphrey's murder didn't resemble Eileen's other victims, it actually led to a major breakthrough. As a former police officer, his case had a lot of eyes on it. Departments across Florida started sharing more information with one another, and they realized a lot of men had turned up new dead over the past year in similar circumstances, Alone in the woods with their cars miles away. Not only that, almost all of them had been killed using the same kind of gun. A.22 caliber pistol. Which made them wonder, were they dealing with a serial killer? As investigators grappled with that terrifying possibility, they knew they had to warn the public. The story became front page news, and advisories went out that middle aged white men traveling alone should be careful. With the media finally catching on, Eileen laid low for about a month, but she couldn't help herself. Or she just really needed money. Either way, she went back on the road. And on November 5, 1990, 34 year old Eileen ran into a man named Bobby Kopas at a truck stop. Bobby. Eileen told Bobby her car had broken down and she desperately needed a ride to pick up her kids at daycare. Bobby offered to help, but he had to stop at the bank to deposit some checks first. Once Eileen saw he was carrying cash, she propositioned him for sex. When he said no, she got upset. And Bobby noticed there was a gun in her purse. While they were chatting, Eileen had mentioned she'd been putting off making a phone call. So Bobby stopped at a crowded truck stop and told her to go take care of it. He hinted that once she was done, he'd be interested in her services. But the moment she stepped out of the car, Bobby locked the door. Eileen was furious. Bobby claims she pounded on the door, screaming, I'll kill you like I did all them other old mother effers. Before she could do anything else, Bobby sped off. But he had no idea what she'd been talking about or that he just escaped the clutches of a serial killer. So he didn't report his encounter to the police, and Eileen moved on to her next target. Just two weeks after she'd failed to rob Bobby Kopas, Eileen flagged down a man named Walter Antonio. 60 year old Walter was a security guard in Florida, and even though he was close to retiring, he was thinking about a career change. He'd gotten a lead on a trucking job in Alabama and then thought it sounded like fun. So on November 18, Walter drove north from Florida to Alabama. But at some point along the way, he saw Eileen and decided to give her a ride. Eileen said she was drunk when Walter picked her up and she flat out offered sex in exchange for money. That sounded good to Walter. So he drove them down a seldom used logging road. But when they stepped out of the car, Walter flashed his security guard badge and said he was a cop. He told Eileen that if she didn't have sex with him for free, he'd arrest her. Eileen didn't believe him. She said that when she called Walter out on it, he got aggressive, and that's when she pulled out her gun and shot him. She was so drunk, she had no idea if he was already dead when she rifled through his pockets. To her, it didn't matter. She took his valuables and sped off. Walter's body was found in the woods the next day, but his car was missing. Eileen ditched it a few days later in Brevard county, three hours away from where she'd killed him. She also kept a gold chain, a ring, handcuffs, and a billy club. Eileen gave Tyra the ring and put the rest of Walter's things in her storage unit, which by now was becoming increasingly full with each life she took.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

I think Eileen's compulsion to steal things from her victims was partly for survival, because she would sell them when she needed money, but it was also a form of ownership. She was flipping the script and reclaiming her power. And I say that because of what she chooses to take. So in this case, Walter was a security guard who, according to Eileen, abused his power. Alleging that he would arrest her is not something he's capable of doing, because as a security guard, he doesn't have the authority to do that. Instead, it seems he's trying to use coercive control and fear to make her believe that he can arrest her so he could assault her. The handcuffs in billy club were tools of control he had, and taking those specifically was symbolic in itself. She wanted to remove his power and reclaim it for herself in every way possible. Most serial killers do keep trophies or mementos that they use to relive the experience for personal gratification. But I think in Eileen's case, they're more like souvenirs, intending to validate her experience and serve as a reminder that she survived it and that she's no longer the victim. And in some cases, she even gifted some of these souvenirs to Tyra as another sort of indication that she's overcome something and that she's now the protector.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Well, even without Walter's valuables, the police were able to quickly identify him. But Eileen hadn't left any forensic evidence behind. And the authorities weren't getting any useful tips either, to see if something had fallen through the cracks. They started looking into missing persons cases. And when they learned about the disappearance of Peter Seems, whose car Eileen and Tyra crashed on the 4th of July, they wondered if it was connected. They were still analyzing the forensic evidence from Peter's car, but they did have the composite sketches of the women who'd crashed Peter's vehicle on November 30, 1990, exactly one year after Eileen killed her first victim, Richard Mallory. Police flooded the news with pictures of the sketches. It wasn't long before Eileen and Tyra tuned into the coverage and saw their own faces staring back at them. Close your eyes, exhale. Feel your body relax and let go of whatever you're carrying. Today, while I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my knee contacts in time for this class, I

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[Dr. Tristan Engels]

This was such a critical connection for her, given her history marked with abuse and abandonment. Not only did Eileen choose Tyra, but Tyra also chose her and stayed. And that was probably the single most constant attachment she has had that she clearly felt safe with. Not to mention, it's not uncommon for individuals with borderline personality disorder who have identity fragmentation to fuse their identity to their partner. And thus, when there is a real or perceived abandonment, they struggle. They worry about who they are without them or how they will survive without them. So this is why it was more impactful for Eileen to lose Tyra. Because this loss likely felt more life threatening to Eileen than the idea of getting caught.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Could this be a form of defeatism? It seems like she was doing all this to make Tyra happy. Or at least that seems to be her excuse. With that now gone, is Eileen just giving up?

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

Yeah, it could be a form of defeatism, because what she's experiencing right now is a lose lose conflict. Because either way, she loses Tyra. She knows her arrest is imminent. So for someone like Eileen, letting her go willingly dulls any sense of rejection or abandonment because she's doing it on her terms and it was sacrificial, which allows for her to possibly view it it as inevitable and a matter of circumstance rather than the loss being because of her. So once again, it's a form of reclaiming the power.

[Vanessa Richardson]

While Eileen was drinking her pain away, the police were getting closer to identifying her. The sketches of Eileen and Tyra were being circulated constantly. And after just a month, police had nearly a thousand tips called in. The most promising lead came from a pawn shop where someone called Cammie Green had sold a radar detector belonging to Eileen's first victim, Richard Mallory. The name Cami Green didn't come up in any databases. But there were other ways to find her. Because in Florida and many other states, pawn shops require sellers to leave a fingerprint on file. And that print matched someone in the criminal database. It turned out Cami Green was actually Eileen Wuornos. And when the police eventually compared it to the handprint on Peter seems carried, it was a match for her, too. From there, it didn't take the police long to track Eileen down. In the early morning hours of January 9, 1991, the 34 year old was arrested outside a bar in Daytona beach called the Last Resort. After that, investigators quickly learned about her secret storage unit. When they opened it, they found a mountain of evidence stolen from her victims. It all but confirmed confirmed their theory that Eileen was the serial killer they were after. But if they really wanted a slam dunk case, they needed a confession. And luckily, they knew how to get Eileen to talk. The police hadn't forgotten about the other woman in the sketch. And it didn't take them long to realize she was Eileen's girlfriend, Tyra. But they weren't sure what Tyra's level of involvement had been. For all they knew, she and Eileen had killed those men together. So they made it a priority to track Tyra down at her parents house in Pennsylvania and arrest her. After questioning Tyra, it became obvious that she wasn't part of Eileen's crimes. But the police weren't done with her. Even if she wasn't a killer, the authorities had a feeling she knew more about Eileen's murder spree than she was letting on. And withholding information from them was a crime of its own. So the police offered Tyra a deal. If she could get Eileen to confess on tape, they'd give her immunity. Tyra accepted their offer. On January 14, 1991, Tyra called Eileen in prison on a secretly recorded line. She started casually reminiscing on their relationship. In the good old days, Eileen was happy to talk to her. But when Tyra shifted the conversation to the murders, Eileen got suspicious. Tyra was relentless though. Over the next two days, she called Eileen 11 times. Tyra tried everything to get her to confess, telling Eileen how scared she was of going to prison herself and even threatening to die by suicide if Eileen didn't confess to the murders. Eileen still loved Tyranny, even if she might never see her again. So in the end, she relented. She told Tyra she'd come clean about everything. And she knew her story would be explosive. She told Tyra, quote, I'm going to go down in history.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

Eileen's delayed confession, I don't think was because she wanted to unburden herself in the way, let's say Jeffrey Dahmer or Joel Rifkin did. It was an attachment decision to protect Tyra. Part of her identity and self concept that formed from the relationship with Tyra, was one of protector. And that is what we are seeing happening here. She knew confessing now was going to protect Tyra and in turn, maybe preserve what was good about that relationship for as long as she could. Eileen needed something good to believe in.

[Vanessa Richardson]

What about Eileen's words to Tyra here? That she would go down in history. Does it seem like maybe she was confessing more as a way to secure her own legacy than out of concern for tyranny?

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

It's possible. But why would she want a legacy? So to answer that, we have to look at her pattern to begin with. And again, we know that she targeted men who abused or exploited women, and she felt she was morally obligated in some way. So at the core, this was what gave her meaning and purpose, Ridding the world of dangerous men. With that in mind, it seems more likely that this is a continuation of that need for meaning. By confessing, she's able to continue controlling the narrative and reclaim her purpose and moral framework. And it would allow her to be seen not just as this violent offender, but as someone with a message and a platform. I also feel it served another purpose. This was also her way of saying to Tyra, okay, I will confess and I will make it a grand gesture because I am confessing for you. And if you think about it, that is symbolic of a confession of love as well, coming from Eileen. So really, I think it had multiple purposes. And if she wanted a legacy, she wanted it to be one of someone who reclaimed her power.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Well, when Eileen did confess, she didn't hold back. She told the police about all seven of her victims and admitted to throwing her gun into a bay by her house. Police were able to fish it out of the water, which gave them the murder weapon, a confession, and physical evidence to corroborate it. Now all they needed was a conviction. As the trial approached, Eileen's case was all over the news. Just as she'd predicted. It was a massive story. People were fascinated by Eileen, who was being called America's first female serial killer. Many of them felt compelled to reach out to her. One of those people was a woman named Arlene Prawley, a horse farmer from Ocala, Florida. Arlene, who was very religious, claimed she was compelled by God to contact her, and Eileen was inclined to listen. The two of them quickly formed a powerful bond. Arlene filled a void in Eileen's life now that Tyra was gone, but in a very different way. In November of 1991, 44 year old Arlene legally adopted Eileen, who was only eight years younger than her. Eileen said she agreed to it because she didn't have any family she was close to and wanted someone to have her remain after she passed. She also enjoyed talking with Arlene, and the adoption gave them more phone time. As for Arlene, she said she wanted Eileen to know what it felt like to have a more supportive family. Critics accused her of trying to profit from the media attention, something she always denied. And yet she reportedly charged a steep fee for giving interviews.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

So I don't see how Eileen felt there was anything to lose with this arrangement with Arlene because Eileen needed to be seen as, and her relationship with Arlene gave her that and some stability. Arlene called regularly, she visited, praised her, publicly defended her in the media, and she felt like a mother figure who was protecting her. At the same time, Eileen also got other perks, like more phone time, which actually is a very big deal for someone who's incarcerated, especially on death row. So I think that it was convenient to Eileen because it was a distraction and a superficial fulfillment of her needs. Even though Arlene was exploiting her, her relationship with Eileen for financial gain, that was nothing compared to the other ways in which Eileen was exploited throughout her life. To her, this was probably the second least abusive connection she had, and she had more to gain from it than to lose. Now Arlene, on the other hand, this says a lot about her. Firstly, she has a savior complex. She's positioning herself as someone who is sent by God and she answered the call. And therefore Eileen's redemption is because of her. So it's self glorifying. It was also highly manipulative and opportunistic. She was exhibiting very ego driven and controlling behavior and was arguably predatory because she held the power. In that dynamic, Eileen was isolated, traumatized and vulnerable. And Arlene preyed on that.

[Vanessa Richardson]

However Eileen felt about her new adoptive mother, Arlene was all she had when her first trial began on January 13, 1992. Although she would eventually be charged with all of the seven murders, this first trial would only be for her first victim, Richard Mallory. When Eileen took the stand, nobody knew what to expect. She'd told so many versions of what happened between her and Richard, it was hard to know what she'd say. And this one would be under oath, legally binding, with no going back. But when Eileen gave her testimony, it was a story nobody had heard before. And if she was to be believed, it changed everything. Your little one grew three inches overnight. Adorable.

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[Dr. Tristan Engels]

This is arguably one of the most complex parts of Eileen's story. So right off the bat, she's immediately viewed as not credible. Based on her demographics alone, she was unhoused, a sex worker and a substance user with a criminal history. Society has deemed her less worthy of being believed. And the reality is, statistically, women like Eileen who are disenfranchised and vulnerable are at the highest risk for sexual violence and are the least likely to be protected or taken seriously. And I think her entire life is a testament to that statistical truth. So she's already not credible, and she's accused of killing seven men and was inconsistent in her narratives, which definitely complicates things, especially to the public. But inconsistent narratives doesn't automatically disprove her either, which we've already covered. But again, trauma survivors like Eileen often retell events in fragmented and contradictory ways, especially when they are experiencing dissociation, shame, or emotional dysregulation. We also covered in episode one how Eileen learned very early on that being vulnerable means being abused or abandoned, and that telling the truth has been unsafe for her. So she became more of a storyteller for survival. And so, for those listening who may believe that Eileen was not telling the truth about Richard, would you change your mind if you learned that Richard, prior to his encounter with Eileen, had served a 10 year prison sentence in Maryland for attempted rape? This is not information Eileen would have known during her encounter with Richard. So it's unlikely she fabricated this story because of his past in order to make it believable. So the real message here is that many sexual assault stories are messy, contradictory and painful. And we all have biases that can impair objectivity. But it's important to believe survivors and to do that, you start by listening. It doesn't mean you turn off critical thinking and blindly accuse someone. It means you turn on compassion and accountability. And remember that there is no such thing as a perfect victim. False reporting is rare, and we should all actively challenge our implicit biases in every aspect of our lives so that no one gets left behind. We saw the damage that it did. To 14 year old Eileen. Believing and supporting is critical.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Eileen's testimony was certainly shocking. But when it was time for the jury to deliberate on January 27, 1992, they only took an hour and a half to make a decision. Eileen was guilty. However, their next decision was much harder to make because the jury also had to decide if Eileen would receive the death penalty. That deliberation was much more contentious, but eventually the jury did agree and Eileen was given the death sentence. After her sentencing, Eileen turned to her adoptive mother, Arlene Prawley, for guidance. But Arlene didn't think she should fight. She convinced Eileen there was no winning in this life. So she had to do everything she could to prepare for the next. In order for Eileen to properly cleanse her soul and get into heaven, she had to plead guilty to the rest of the murders. To walk her through this process, Arlene recommended one of her friends, a real estate lawyer named Steve Glaser. Steve was not a criminal defense attorney, and according to Eileen, he didn't take her case seriously whatsoever. She said he would smoke joints before giving her legal advice and did a poor job of explaining what was happening in court. Despite her confusion, Eileen stuck with her strategy and she pleaded guilty to the rest of the murders. With her fate sealed, all Eileen had left to do was wait. She spent her time studying the Bible and writing letters. She checked in with her Aunt Lori and eventually reconciled with Tyra. But the person she wrote to more than anyone else was her childhood friend, Dawn Botkins. Dawn had been there for Eileen when they were teenagers. They'd grown apart since then, but rekindled their friendship after Eileen was incarcerated. Over the next few years, they exchanged hundreds of letters. The additional support seemed to give Eileen newfound resilience. She fired Steve Glazer as her attorney, and in the year 2000, she appealed her case on the basis of ineffective counsel. But in order to make that argument, Eileen's new lawyers wanted to bring up the abuse she'd experienced as a child. That included testimony from witnesses who said Eileen was sexually abused by her family, Something Eileen steadfastly denied. She refused to go along with that strategy and chose to stop her appeals altogether. Not only that, she recanted all her previous statements that she'd killed in self defense. And now she claimed she'd committed the murders for money and an overall hatred for the human race. Eileen said that she was ready to die and that if she didn't get executed, she would kill again if she had to.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

This actually makes sense if you consider Eileen's pattern. She's been spending most of her adult life trying to reclaim her power and control the narrative, and there's no way she's about to let people see her as powerless now, Especially because of the vulnerability and the. The re traumatization that would bring on a national scale if she took the stand. She's using her rage as an armor to protect her identity, as she has been doing. I also think this decision was her resigning to her fate because the success rate of appeals is very low, and they are also very expensive, and she may have known her odds. So in her mind, she could be executed as someone who was viewed as powerless, who was a child sexual abuse victim, or she could be executed as someone who reclaimed her power and maintained it. She wanted to go out on her terms, which is similar to someone like Ted Bundy. He started to give chilling details and very performative details of his crimes in the final days before his execution because he was looking to be remembered in a certain way. I will say, from a forensic psychologist perspective, drastic legal decisions like this raise alarm bells regarding competency. She refused a legal strategy that was presented to her by her new attorneys, and that could indicate that she lacks the ability to rationally assist counsel in her defense or appreciate the risks of saying no to that. She could still be competent, but it would be best practice for the court to ensure that first before moving forward.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Well, even if Eileen was embracing her fate, there was a chance her life could be spared. There were rumblings of possible changes to the death penalty in Florida. And an attorney named Ragh Singhal was tasked with addressing concerns with Eileen's mental competence tendency one last time. She'd been diagnosed with borderline and antisocial personality disorder. But Singh hall believed there was more going on. He told the courts he believed Eileen wasn't mentally competent to make her own legal decisions and that her appeals should continue. But Eileen disagreed. She was adamant that she was of sound mind, and the courts agreed. Her wish to die was granted, and her death warrant was signed in September of 2002. Eileen's execution was scheduled for October 9, 2002. The day before she sat down for a final interview with a filmmaker named Nick Broomfield. It seemed like she'd broken from reality. Eileen was convinced the police had known she'd killed Richard Mallory, but they let her keep killing so they could get a movie made about the investigation. She claimed her prison guards were trying to poison her and spying on her through a camera disguised as a mirror. Not only that, Eileen also said the guards were torturing her by sending, quote, sonic pressure into her cell to mess with her brain, all to make her look crazy. But Eileen accepted that there wasn't anything to be done about it, and she was ready to die, and God would take her up to heaven on a spaceship.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

So it sounds to me that her attorney had reason to be concerned regarding her competency because she's endorsing several different types of delusions. We are seeing paranoia, persecutory and somatic, all of which are signs of psychosis. And this should have warranted an evaluation by a mental health professional to determine if they are genuine and if she needs additional treatment. It's unusual for a judge to listen to the defendant who had the doubt declared against and determine that based on that. Typically, when an attorney declares a doubt of competency regarding their client, the judge will listen, they will hear their reasons for concern, and they will genuinely hold a competency hearing and order an evaluation. And it doesn't seem that that was done in this case, and that was in September, and now we're in October, and we're seeing some decompensation in Eileen.

[Vanessa Richardson]

Do you think this could have been a final attempt to avoid execution by Eileen? Though, on the other hand, Eileen did say she was ready to die.

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

What.

[Vanessa Richardson]

What are your thoughts on that?

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

Yeah, I don't think she was trying to avoid being executed, but this does seem unusual for Eileen. She has a pathological need to avoid being viewed as a victim, yet she is making statements in a taped interview that millions will see. That implies she's being victimized and that she is powerless. And that seems contradictory to the version of her that refused to pursue her appeal to begin with in order to avoid this perception. So why the sudden change? I think she may have genuinely been decompensating. It appears as if she's experiencing trauma based regression and that can come with psychosis. She was incarcerated on death row for years, isolated, stripped of agency and once again under the control of men custody officers who symbolize abuse and who may have very possibly been abusing their authority with her in prison. So being there isolated was a complete sensory reenactment of her deepest fears and her earliest betrayals. And under those conditions, anyone's reality can become distorted. But more importantly, I think she may have been expressing real fears through distorted lens. This explains why she's expressing that she's ready to die because in death, at least to her, no one has control over her anymore.

[Vanessa Richardson]

On the morning of October 9, 2002, hundreds of spectators, members of the press, press and protesters gathered outside the prison. Some of the victim's family members talked with reporters about justice finally being served, and a few even attended the execution itself. When the curtain parted at 9.30am, Eileen smiled. When asked if she wanted to say any last words, she responded, quote, yes, I'd like to say I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back like Independence day with Jesus, June 6, like in the movie Big Mothership and all. I'll be back. End quote. Minutes later, she was declared officially dead. At 46 years old, Eileen had long since severed ties with her adoptive mother, Arlene Prawley. But she'd found someone else to take take her remains, her only friend, Dawn Botkins. Dawn took the ashes home and scattered them at her farm. Eileen Warnas's story is a complicated one. There's a lot about her life that people can empathize with. Having an abusive childhood, falling through the cracks in the system and having to make her own way in a cruel, unforgiving world. But while there are so many tragic things about Eileen's story, the real tragedy is that they transformed Eileen into someone who inflicted pain on others. And in the end, seven men lost their lives. All because they had the misfortune of spotting Aileen Wuornos on the side of the highway. Foreign. Thanks so much for listening. Come back next time for a deep dive into the mind of another murderer. Of the many sources we used when researching this episode, the ones we found the most credible and helpful were the Orlando Sentinel newspaper archives and the film Life and Death of a Serial Killer by Nick Broomfield Killer Minds is a

[Dr. Tristan Engels]

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