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Podcast: Scams, Money, & Murder
Episode: Travis Walton: Abducted by a UFO | Crimes Of…
Hosts: Sabrina Diana Roga & Corinne Vian
Date: December 26, 2025

Overview

This episode dives deep into the infamous Travis Walton UFO abduction case—one of the best-known and most controversial alien abduction stories in history. Sabrina and Corinne, self-declared believers in aliens and passionate defenders of Travis Walton’s account, guide listeners through the events, the evolving investigation, theories of hoax and belief, and the cultural aftershocks that made Travis Walton’s story legendary.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Would You Rather” Thought Experiment (02:07)

• The episode kicks off with a playful (yet thematically relevant) “Would You Rather” scenario:
  • Be abducted by aliens and never believed
  • Or fake an abduction and live with the secret forever
• Sabrina, with conviction:
  “I would much rather be abducted...I don’t need everyone. I—I just need to have the moment with the aliens.” (02:28)
• Corinne’s take:
  “The anxiety of trying to hold a secret for the rest of your life...That seems...that would eat me alive, right?” (02:40)

2. Setting the Stage: The Walton Incident (07:45)

• Timeline: November 5, 1975 in Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest, Arizona.

  • Travis and his logging crew witness a glowing UFO.
  • Travis approaches, is struck by a beam, and vanishes for five days.
  • His friends—terrified—initially flee and then return; both Travis and the UFO are gone.

• Host Perspective:
  “Travis’s story has become one of the most well known and controversial alien abduction stories in history. ... Whether or not his story is true is hard to verify. I will say...we personally do believe that this is true.” (06:26–07:41)

3. The Abduction Narrative—Walton’s Experience (12:48, 61:25–67:22)

• Walton’s Account (Reconstructed):

  • Wakes in a blinding light, surrounded by humanoid beings with large eyes.
  • Recalls a “strange, sterile place,” feeling paralyzed and weightless (12:53).
  • UFO leaves; he is left on the road, confused, cold, calls for help (13:30).
  • Under hypnosis, later details: wakes on a metallic table, three beings with big eyes, no words spoken—possibly telepathic communication.
  • Sees a human on the ship (“oh my gosh, someone from NASA here to save me...”), but instead is forcibly subdued, given a mask, blacks out, then wakes up on the road again (66:15–67:22).

• Notable descriptive moment:
  “There was a bitter, metallic taste covering his tongue. His mouth was dry, and he was very thirsty. His muscles felt weak...As his vision became clearer, he could make out one single light source that is above his head…” (61:31)

4. Suspicion, Community Response, and the Investigation (16:40, 33:48–42:43)

• Immediate aftermath:
  • Walton’s family, known local UFO believers, react skeptically calm.
  • “...when told her son was missing, [Travis’s mother] just asked if they were sure he wasn’t dead.” (34:16)
  • Critics point to family behavior and prior beliefs as possible explanations for a hoax motive.
• Police and GSW (Ground Saucer Watch) skepticism:
  • A lack of physical evidence at the scene, no footprints or tire tracks, deepens suspicion (31:48–33:05).
  • Lie detector tests are administered; all of Travis’s friends pass, but doubts persist due to the unreliability of polygraphs (44:08–45:53).

5. The Media Circus—Skeptics, Supporters, and the Human Toll (47:54–53:49)

• Walton becomes the focus of national attention:
  • Press, UFO groups, and skeptics besiege Walton’s family.
  • “...the phones won’t stop ringing. Reporters, deputies, UFO people. Everyone wants something from Travis. Answers. Proof. A story.” (47:54)
  • Medical tests and hypnotherapy sessions are fraught with misunderstanding and suspicion, adding fuel to hoax theories.

6. Theories: Was It a Hoax or a True Abduction? (36:50, 38:35, 41:30, 68:56–73:08)

• Major Possibilities Presented:

  • Murder cover-up by coworkers.
  • Orchestrated hoax for fame or money.
  • Reaction to psychological trauma or medical accident.
  • Or, simply, a true extraterrestrial encounter.

• Critical quote:
  “The choice you make depends on what you believe. We here, Corinne and I, we believe in aliens and therefore we also believe in Travis. And you should too.” (73:59)

7. Lingering Mystery and Cultural Aftermath (69:48–71:27)

• Walton’s steadfastness:
  • Never changes his story.
  • “...Travis absolutely believes what happened to him is real and it is traumatizing to him...He is re experiencing the trauma every time he talks about it.” (69:37–69:48)
• Betrayals and regrets:
  • Mike Rogers, once Walton’s defender, recants his support in 2021, calling Travis a liar (73:08–73:41).

Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Sabrina on Walton’s sincerity:
  “I believe in aliens. I believe in Travis Walton and I believe he was abducted. Put it on a shirt. I’ll wear it very proudly.” (07:34)

• Hypnotherapy’s weird turn:
  “But when they arrived at Dr. Stewart’s office, his, like, plaque on the door states that he’s a hypnotherapist. So they’re confused. And Dr. Stewart…was like, ‘I’ve heard your story. I would love to hypnotize you. Come sit in my chair.’” (50:44–51:26)

• On the emotional toll:
  “Travis can’t sleep. He’s home again, but it doesn’t feel like home. His body is weak. His thoughts are foggy and scattered…” (47:54)

• The big, unsettling question:
  “This is not a story with clear distinctions between truth and lies…but in the decades after the abduction, some former believers have turned against Travis, which makes me so sad.” (72:15)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:07 – “Would You Rather” (abduction vs. lying)
• 07:45 – Setting the stage: the November 5 abduction
• 12:48 – Walton’s return and initial confusion
• 13:30 – The account: waking up on the road
• 20:04 – Description of the UFO encounter
• 31:48 – Police investigation, the “missing evidence”
• 44:08 – Polygraph tests for the six witnesses
• 61:25 – Walton’s detailed hypnosis recollections
• 67:22 – The “human” on the ship
• 68:56 – Conclusion of the investigation, cultural debate
• 69:48 – Walton’s persistent trauma and final reflections
• 73:08 – Mike Rogers’ about-face and episode wrap-up

Takeaways

• This case embodies the heart of the “alien abduction” debate: Unexplained events, split public opinion, devoted family and friends, skeptic organizations, media sensation, and a protagonist who—after decades—has never wavered or retracted his story.
• Hosts Sabrina and Corinne’s perspective is clear throughout: They believe Travis and encourage listeners to do the same, but also leave space for doubt and mystery.
• Ultimate listener question: Do you believe Travis Walton, or is this story a long-running, perfectly executed hoax?

A luminous, unsettling journey into one of UFO history’s most legendary mysteries. Beam yourself up for a listen.