Evan opens episode 102 by discussing co-parenting logistics around summer camp during divorce, then introduces the episode’s focus on sleep and relationships with guest Dr. Wendy Troxel, a sleep scientist and clinical psychologist. On the docket, Evan argues most “blindside divorces” reflect long-standing issues, and he frames “pickleball divorce” as a relationship problem, not a sport problem. In overrated/underrated, Evan calls expert witnesses and early prenup discussions underrated, and labels the Stanley Cup and Costco parking lots overrated. Troxel explains sleep is a social behavior, addresses stigma around sleeping separately, outlines the bidirectional cycle between sleep loss and relationship conflict, and recommends communication strategies and a nightly phone-free ritual (high-low-compliment). She notes divorce can disrupt sleep architecture, prioritizing sleep regularity and support, and criticizes the term “sleep divorce,” citing data that 31% of couples sleep apart occasionally.

Topics

00:49 Summer Camp Co-Parenting

03:46 Sleep Episode Setup

04:55 Docket Blindside Divorce

07:17 Docket Pickleball Drama

10:43 Overrated Underrated Begins

10:59 Expert Witnesses Matter

12:51 Prenups Early Talk

14:19 Sports And Costco Rants

18:49 Sponsor Break

20:40 Interview Dr Wendy Troxel

23:12 Social Sleep And Stigma

25:24 Sleep and Relationship Health

26:22 Sleep Communication Loop

28:34 Therapy and Sleeping Apart

31:23 Stigma and Sleep History

34:33 Dating and Chronotypes

37:28 How to Talk About Sleep

39:03 Divorce and Sleep Recovery

42:11 Sleep Divorce Explained

44:58 Gender Differences in Sleep

47:49 Kids and Family Sleep Habits

49:54 Nightly Ritual for Connection

52:28 They Said It Quotes Game

58:18 Infant Sleep Side Topic

01:00:10 Final Wrap and Thanks