Broncos Bo Nix, Patrick Surtain II and Sean Payton talk mile high expectations

Summary

Scoop City: Broncos Bo Nix, Patrick Surtain II, and Sean Payton Talk Mile High Expectations

Episode Release Date: August 6, 2025

Overview

In this episode of Scoop City: A Show About the NFL, hosted by The Athletic’s Senior NFL Insider Diana Rossini, longtime NFL quarterback Chase Daniel, and co-hosts engage in in-depth conversations with Denver Broncos’ rising star quarterback Bo Nix, reigning Defensive Player of the Year Patrick Surtain II, and head coach Sean Payton. The episode delves into the Broncos' training camp, team dynamics, individual player growth, and the high expectations set for the upcoming season.

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Interview with Bo Nix: Progressing into a Leadership Role

Bo Nix on Overcoming Nerves and Embracing Consistency [02:37 - 07:12]

Bo Nix reflects on his transition from rookie to a more seasoned quarterback entering his second year with the Broncos. He shares insights into how familiarity with the team's system has reduced his nervousness and enhanced his on-field performance.

• Consistency in the System:
  “This year it's all review. So I get to do everything again, and it's so much better.”
  (02:37)

• Understanding the Playbook:
  “It's not just like, okay, you're going to run a stop route. There's a lot of things that go into running a stop route and how we want to convert it...”
  (06:20)

Growth Under Sean Payton’s Guidance [07:46 - 09:30]

Bo discusses the invaluable mentorship from quarterback coach Davis Webb and the influence of Drew Brees during the offseason. He highlights how these relationships have accelerated his development both mentally and physically.

• Mentorship Impact:
  “He understands how to take what could be a difficult offense, narrow it down, make sure I'm just... find this guy.”
  (07:46)

• Learning from Experience:
  “He was so intentional... It's all about what goes on in the mind and how you handle adversity...”
  (12:31)

Bo Nix’s Evolution as a Leader [25:02 - 25:45]

Patrick Surtain II praises Bo’s growth, emphasizing his increased composure, confidence, and leadership on the field.

• Leader on the Field:
  “He's more composed, understands the offense even more, you know, more confident, even more vocal. He brings offense together.”
  (25:02)

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Interview with Patrick Surtain II: Defensive Dominance and Future Challenges

First Day of Training Camp and Season Outlook [15:20 - 16:15]

Patrick Surtain II discusses the physical demands of the first day of training camp and his approach to maintaining consistency and discipline despite the challenges of facing top-tier wide receivers weekly.

• Building Consistency:
  “I just think staying true to who I am, being disciplined, trusting the process.”
  (16:15)

• Embracing Challenges:
  “I strive for challenges, I strive for those matchups because I know going up against the best each and every week...”
  (16:39)

Strategic Study and Game Preparation [17:17 - 19:43]

Patrick delves into his unique methods of studying opponents, including observing subtle behaviors and mannerisms that signal play calls. He emphasizes the importance of attention to detail in his preparation.

• Film Room Insights:
  “Majority of the times... Some little something like that before the line pass or they're gonna get the ball.”
  (17:17)

• Improving Technique:
  “I could always feel like my technique could always hone in on some, like, my short area quickness.”
  (19:27)

Defensive Strategy and Top Quarterbacks to Watch [21:35 - 25:50]

Patrick outlines the Denver Broncos' defensive strategies under Head Coach Vance Joseph, focusing on aggressive playcalling and physicality. He also shares his perspective on the top five quarterbacks in the league, highlighting Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, and Bo Nix as formidable opponents.

• Facing Elite Quarterbacks:
  “Mahomes, I mean, we face him twice a year, so we know that's gonna be a challenge.”
  (23:19)

• Leadership and Respect:
  “He does, he does.”
  (25:32)

Continuous Improvement and Training [19:20 - 20:20]

Patrick emphasizes the relentless pursuit of personal and professional growth, focusing on improving physical attributes such as footwork and flexibility through practices like yoga and Pilates.

• Physical Conditioning:
  “I'm trying to replicate it and find the success that he had earlier so that we can, you know, find our own success.”
  (19:43)

• Flexibility Challenges:
  “Hamstrings is just like...”
  (20:20)

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Insights from Head Coach Sean Payton

While the transcript provides a teaser for an upcoming interview with Head Coach Sean Payton, detailed discussions with him are not included in this episode. Diana Rossini hints at exploring Payton’s meticulous attention to detail, his vision for Bo Nix, and his admiration for the current Broncos team in future segments.

• Upcoming Topics with Payton:
  “Coming up on Scoop City, head coach Sean Payton joins the show to talk about why he's so maniacal about the details...”
  (26:15)

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Team Dynamics and Future Prospects

The episode concludes with reflections on the Denver Broncos' strategic moves in the offseason, including key draft picks and the integration of veteran players to bolster both offense and defense. The hosts express optimism for the team's trajectory, anticipating a strong performance in the upcoming NFL season.

• Draft Strategy and Team Building:
  “We had a clear vision for every one of these picks as to what they're going to do in year one...”
  (40:16)

• Defensive Confidence:
  “Confident. Swagger. We have game plan wise and each and every day we just going to try to perfect that...”
  (42:27)

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Notable Quotes

• “I don't think I had enough thought to even be nervous. I was thinking about so many other things.”
  — Bo Nix [02:37]

• “He's more composed, understands the offense even more, you know, more confident, even more vocal.”
  — Patrick Surtain II [25:02]

• “Mahomes, I mean, we face him twice a year, so we know that's gonna be a challenge.”
  — Patrick Surtain II [23:19]

• “He's more composed, understands the offense even more, you know, more confident, even more vocal.”
  — Patrick Surtain II [25:02]

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Conclusion

This episode of Scoop City offers valuable insights into the Denver Broncos' current season preparations, highlighting the growth of Bo Nix as a quarterback and Patrick Surtain II’s dominance on defense. With strategic mentorship from seasoned professionals and an optimistic outlook from the coaching staff, the Broncos are positioned to meet and exceed the high expectations set for them in the NFL landscape.

Listeners can look forward to future episodes featuring Sean Payton, which promise to delve deeper into the intricate workings of the Broncos’ strategies and team cohesion.

Transcript

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[Diana Rossini]

Welcome into Scoop City on the Athletic Senior NFL insider Diana Rossini. So we know that training camp is in full swing and we decided to take Scoop City on the road. And our first stop was the Denver Broncos. Lots of intrigue on this team, especially considering the kind of off season they had and the additions they made. And of course, year two of starting quarterback Bo Nix. We had an opportunity to talk to the quarterback, to talk to the head coach Sean Payton, and to talk to the reigning defensive player of the year. Let's take a listen to some of those interviews. All right, Joining us now is Denver Broncos starting quarterback Bo Nix, who one year ago we were sitting here watching you out there and everything was new, everything was different. You didn't admit or tell us that you were nervous, but now that you've had this year, were you really nervous last Year. Tell us the truth.

[Bo Nix]

I don't think I had enough thought to even be nervous. I was thinking about so many other things. But it's a lot easier this year just for so many different reasons already being in a huddle, knowing everybody, just new, same system. And I'm, you know, it's the first time since my junior and senior year in high school, I had the same system back to back years. So I've been, you know, what a difference.

[Host]

It's your first year I want to make since junior senior in high school, since you've had the same system.

[Bo Nix]

Yeah, every system in college, all five years was different. And then here last year was different. So we're going basically, that's seven systems in seven years. But this year it's all review. So I get to do everything again, and it's so much better.

[Host]

How does it feel stepping on the field? Because I was able. Sean, let me be out there with you guys, just standing behind and watching, just the operation. A lot of fans don't understand just the comfort level of the operation. Forget about on a play call what you have to do. You're not thinking right. What is the biggest jump you feel? This is only the first day of pads, so we get that. But so far from year one to.

[Bo Nix]

Year two, well, I can actually see and react to a defense now, and I'm not seeing and react to what our play is. So, like, you know, break the huddle. You know, you usually got a cadence, a motion, the play, footwork, and then you got to look at the defense last. So now all that other stuff before the actual play, I kind of feel like I'm. It's second nature and I'm not really thinking as much. I can go faster. I can get my eyes in the right spot on defense, and then usually that's where your reaction time and the physical part of the game speeds up and you look a little bit better.

[Host]

So with the operation, and I'm glad you said that, when you break in the huddle, take me through your process, because there's a lot of differing processes for quarterbacks. When you break the huddle, obviously eyes go to the play clock, but then where do your eyes go next? Tuck us through from huddle to snap for you.

[Bo Nix]

So if it's a run play, get to the line. Okay, See the front ID the front ID the mic, get the motion, get everybody set up. Make sure we're at a line to execute the play. So once we're aligned, you sometimes have just one play and you roll it with it, and you react from there. Sometimes you got a double play. You have to ID certain keys on defense, kill the play, get guys in the right spot, get back to action. Sometimes actions change from outside zone to tossing the other way. So those types of things are much easier because I can get up there and I know what the kill operation is. I know why we're killing it. I know where I'm looking at, I know where to get set up. And then if it's a pass, same thing. ID the front. That'll help with protections. ID the mic for the protection scheme. And then you got to look and see where the ball is being thrown and ID safeties, other things like that.

[Host]

There's a lot that goes on. There's only 25 safety.

[Bo Nix]

There's a lot that goes on. And then the next layer is like, okay, where my matchup, who's actually in with me? Where my receivers at? What pressure are they bringing? How can I get the line to block it? How can I get my backs out? How can I get the best access for my receivers? How can I get Cortland or Evan somebody matched up on another player and make sure that ID that. The last thing you want to do is get back in the film room and say, man, this was a better matchup, but I chose the other side because I was thinking about too many different things. But now I can just get up there, five seconds, ID the mic, make sure I'm good protection. Then I can look at the corners, the back end, I can look at my receivers, see what kind of matchups I'm getting, and then I can go much faster.

[Diana Rossini]

I've never done this, obviously, as a quarterback yet you're doing all this, you're learning all this, and it sounds like you have it down now, but then you have a playbook from Sean Payton. That's not easy. So how have you been able to learn or this and feel confident like you appear you are at this point?

[Bo Nix]

Well, the good thing about our playbook is it's a lot of words, but that's really what they are. It's just words. You're just telling guys where to line up. You're basically telling everybody what to do instead of just saying one thing and everybody knowing from that one thing what to do. So, you know, you'll give a formation, you'll say a word that flips a receiver, you'll say another word that condenses the formation, you'll say a ball handling word, you'll say the hole that you're Running to. And then the scheme that you're running and then the formation just kind of ties it all together. So it sounds difficult. From when you first show up and you hear, you know, this big, long sentence of a play, you're like, what is this? I mean, that's not even, you know, possible. And then you learn it, and then it makes sense because you know why that guy has to be there. You know why you're condensing the formation. You know why you're running this.

[Diana Rossini]

It's learning versus understanding, too. Right. It's like you get the why of why you're doing this stuff, so it makes it easier to comprehend.

[Bo Nix]

And last year, I was just memorizing.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, you're just like.

[Patrick Surtan]

So I like.

[Bo Nix]

I know on this play I'm doing this, but now I actually like. Okay, that's why we're doing this.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-Host]

Well.

[Host]

And that's what I want, because I was able. Last year when you. I think this was maybe we were in mid August when we came, I was able to sit in with a meeting with you guys. And just from my perspective, I've been with Joe Lombardi. I've been with Pete Carmichael. They're the ones sort of sitting outside Davis Webb's running the meetings. Talk about him and how he's helped you grow. Because I'm guessing, knowing what a quarterback coach, quarterback relationship is, he's probably had the biggest, like, effort in your growth.

[Bo Nix]

It's been great. I think it stems from him playing the position and then hopping right into the system. And so he understands how to take what could be a difficult offense. Narrow it down, make sure I'm just. These are the most important things. Break it down into this, this, this, this, like, 1, 2, 3, where. All you got to do on this play is find this guy. All you gotta do on this play is find this. And so when he breaks it down, it's a lot easier and I can process it much faster. And then now in year two, we're starting to go into what, be more year three, year four, to where I actually can understand. Yeah. Understand a little bit more. And can speed the learning curve up.

[Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Host]

And your phone's ringing.

[Diana Rossini]

Hey.

[Host]

And you're answering it. What are you doing?

[Diana Rossini]

Wait, who get off your phone? Did Courtland Sutton just get a deal done? Yeah, that's my quarterback, Sutton. Okay, okay. Give me 30 seconds.

[Host]

Give me 30 seconds.

[Diana Rossini]

I mean, Patrick, is it true?

[Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Host]

Her phone's blowing up. Are you. Hey, Steven, are you getting this? And she's breaking news in Beau Nick's interview. I mean, this is her job. Wait, job.

[Diana Rossini]

Bo, is Cortland Sutton signed up? How do you feel about it?

[Host]

Video this? Yes.

[Bo Nix]

Well, I don't know what I can. I don't know what I can disclose.

[Diana Rossini]

But are you happy that Cortland Sutton got an extension?

[Bo Nix]

If that's true? Absolutely.

[Diana Rossini]

It's true.

[Bo Nix]

It's true. Then, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Pumped.

[Diana Rossini]

That's funny.

[Bo Nix]

I kind of knew it was coming, though.

[Host]

Kind of knew it was happening.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[Host]

Cause he. Yeah, he didn't practice most today.

[Bo Nix]

Now he's waiting on it to be signed, I think.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I think signed.

[Bo Nix]

It's good for him. It's. It's tough to get. I mean, when he's turning 30 is year 10, it's tough to get that just continue to go. But, man, he's playing at a high level.

[Host]

What does he meant to you, though? Let's talk about it. Because this is like.

[Bo Nix]

It's literally like having a. So there's one thing about knowing what it is, understanding it, the offense, all this kind of stuff, and then he provides like another layer. Layer of detail. Hey, if they line up like this, I'm going to do this and you're going to throw it here or, hey, what do you think about if I run it like this? You throw it this way and I'm going. I love that kind of stuff because it's not just like, okay, you're going to run a stop route. There's a lot of things that go into running a stop route and how we want to convert it and all that kind of stuff, what your split is and what we can run off of it. So.

[Host]

And everyone I talk to here about Cortland Sutton, the first thing, I'm not kidding you, multiple coaches, there's no diva in him. Right. Meaning he is team first. He's a dog for a quarterback. Right. That's got to be huge because he's a leader on the team. He's been around for a long time, right. I mean, there's just no diva in him.

[Bo Nix]

No, he sets an example for that room that you're going to show up, you're going to practice, you're going to practice hard, and then that's going to translate to playing hard. And he does a great job off the field of taking care of his body. He's a great leader. You just know what you're going to get out of him. He's so consistent, and that's why he translates every year to having. It doesn't matter up until this point who his quarterback was. You knew he was going to be solid, reliable. And now year two with me and year three in the system, he's set up for, know, a great year coming off last year. He's really healthy. I'm excited for him. I really am.

[Diana Rossini]

All right, so you have the teacher and Davis Webb in your meeting room, but then you have the mentor in Drew Brees, who you spent some time with in this offseason.

[Host]

My neck of the woods, Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

I wish we could all live in San Diego. What does he help you with? Like, why is it beneficial to talk to Drew Brees?

[Bo Nix]

Well, he's been in the system. He knows how to handle Coach Payton. He knows how to.

[Host]

Yes, he does.

[Bo Nix]

He knows how to navigate the system and navigate what you can kind of, you know, the checks and stuff that you can get with. And I mean, there's just a lot. But he played so much longer than what I've played so far. So he knows a lot. Like, there's so many layers that he learned each year that I'm just kind of get, you know, sped up, just trying to get to down the road faster. But it's not really as much about scheme or system with him because, you know, scheme is going to change, but it's more about, you know, how to operate, what helped him, what his routine was on a Monday through, you know, Saturday, getting ready for a Sunday game, how he took care of his body, you know, what kind of arm carry he did. He played for a long time with some injuries, and he battled through it. So how can he, you know, how do you keep his shoulder, you know, strong through a lot of those things.

[Diana Rossini]

And how to deal with Sean.

[Host]

Well, and he had Bo Lowry, too, with him, and I think that's a big deal.

[Bo Nix]

Same trainer. So it's just there's a lot of carryover, a lot of things that he had so much success in. So I'm trying to replicate it and find the success that he had earlier so that we can, you know, find our own success.

[Host]

What's the number one thing you took away from him?

[Bo Nix]

Well, he was so intentional. Like, okay, a guy like that, if I, you know, I go and hang out with him for a couple hours, a few days. You don't have to usually. I mean, I would understand if you, you know, didn't take time and you wanted to, like, just get through it, get over it. Like, I get it. You know, you got a family, you got a lot. But he had lists of things that like, hey, this is what I want to do. This is what. This is what I think we should do. This is. Let's talk about this. You know, let's go through this operation. Let's talk about your routine. This is what worked for me, and it was great. And just sitting down and having a few meals with him was the best part because, I mean, you go out there and throw at some point, you know, we all throw. It's not the most. That's not why you go and hang out with a guy like that. It's just the mental side of the game that just you can make strides in and that's what speeds your growth. Up to me, everybody can do the physical things. It's all about what goes on in the mind and how you handle adversity, how you handle good things, bad things, how you handle a locker room, how you handle a huddle. There's just so many layers to it that I just want to get ahead of.

[Diana Rossini]

That's awesome. Bo, thanks so much for hanging out with us. Training camps to grind.

[Host]

Appreciate it. We got him first day at pads, so he's not too, you know, not too tired, not too tired.

[Diana Rossini]

I know we came at the right time. So thanks so much for the time. Good luck this season. Stay health. We're rooting for you.

[Bo Nix]

Thank you very much.

[Diana Rossini]

Coming up, reigning defensive player of the year, Patrick Surtan sits down with us and we put him to the test. Actually, we put him on the hot seat and we have him name his top five quarterbacks in the NFL and you may be surprised who he has at six. We'll be right back.

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All right, guys, back here with reigning defensive player of the year, Patrick Sutan. Pat, appreciate you joining us. First day of pads today. How did it feel to get back on there? I know you've said a lot about the playoff loss this offseason. This is sort of the first step in that journey, right?

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, this is just the building blocks. You know, first day of pads, getting our bodies callous to, you know, a long season ahead. You know, it was very physical out there. First day, you know what I mean? Just getting off feet, back on the ground, you know, and just building towards, you know, greater things ahead.

[Diana Rossini]

So, yeah, I did a little homework and I asked a couple of your teammates what you're like and why you're so good, and they just kept referencing the work you put in, the mechanics, the discipline, the almost just like that everyday sort of procedure, so to speak, that you stick with and plan. How do you keep consistency. Consistency after all these years and after coming off such a spectacular season.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, I just think staying true to who I am, being disciplined, trusting the process.

[Diana Rossini]

But don't you make them tired sometimes? Like, you're always on the top receiver, you know, you wake up, let's say the coach is telling you, all right, you know who you got this week. Like, we always know who you're going to be on.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Doesn't that get tiring to know that you have to defend these tremendous wide receivers every week?

[Patrick Surtan]

I don't think so, because I know my name is going to be called. You know, I mean, guarding the best. And, you know, I strive for challenges, you know, I strive for those matchups because I know going up against the best each and every week, it's only going to build the best out of me and bring the best out of me. And, you know, I accept that. I accept that role in this defense. And, you know, each and every year, you know, I try to get better each and every year, whether it's getting stronger, faster, but yeah, I just accept that role and take it on.

[Diana Rossini]

What's something we'd be surprised to learn about how you study? Like, is there something, is there a detail that you watch in the opponent that may be a little unique to you?

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, I would say majority of the times. Right. If I see a receiver like fixing his gloves or Some little something like that before the line pass or they gonna get the ball. So that's a good tell. Or when receivers leave the huddle frustrated.

[Bo Nix]

Like, you know, they ain't got.

[Patrick Surtan]

It's like so many different, like, mannerisms that they give off and they'd be like, okay, I know either you get in the ball or you're not. So little tales like that in the film room or in the game that I get a hone on, you know, I mean, it's just so many little aspects of the game because it's very detailed.

[Host]

For you specifically, though, like you're constantly working at your craft. There's no off time.

[Co-Host]

Right.

[Host]

You enjoy the off season. But when you go back and you watch the film and I've broken you down, it's like you don't see many corners nowadays. I can maybe count on one hand that As a quarterback, 14 years quarterback, you're saying, I'm not even throwing to this side of field. Like, we had a square out there in practice and we're sitting back there with the quarterbacks and you're up against Bo in a square out, and I'm like, I'm not even throwing to that side. And all three guys are like, no. And you're off. You have leverage. And so, you know, that's facing. What are you trying to get better at? Because you're probably going to have to go through not getting as many contested balls because if I'm a quarterback, I ain't throwing your way.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, we saw it in Cleveland, remember?

[Co-Host]

Yes.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, they just avoided you. They like for. They were like, yeah, we're not doing that.

[Patrick Surtan]

That's, you know, that's a tough part, but it's also a good thing. I mean, you know, it doesn't like fill the stat sheet up like how you want wanted to, but, you know, you're doing your job when, you know, quarterbacks and people around the league, you know, respect you in that regard. So, you know, I mean, I just put my head down and work. But you know, during the game it can be frustrating, I ain't gonna lie. Cause, you know, you think you know you're gonna get maybe a few balls on your way. Sometimes you don't. And sometimes at the least that you least expect, you know, you will get thrown at. But, you know, I just gotta stay diligent, you know what I mean? Stay focused, lock in. Because whenever your name's called, that's an opportunity to make a play.

[Host]

What about you specifically? This offseason when you went back and studied all your film. What are you trying to get better at this year?

[Patrick Surtan]

I could always feel like my technique could always hone in on some, like, my short area quickness. I mean, I feel like it's already good, but I still feel like there's some little nuances I could work on that I could hone in on. Because at corner, you always. Your feet always got to stay active.

[Co-Host]

Yep.

[Patrick Surtan]

So I try to work on my feet, you know, I mean, work on my brakes, you know, work on my flexibility, working my hips and stuff like that, you know, I mean, because it's always something you can improve on, you know, I mean, and I'm not the most flexible person. Yoga. I'll be trying to do Pilates and yoga.

[Host]

I did hot yoga. I played forever.

[Bo Nix]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Host]

It was, like, trying to get, like, very beneficial. Yeah.

[Patrick Surtan]

I mean.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[Patrick Surtan]

How often I'd be struggling, too.

[Host]

I know it's hard.

[Patrick Surtan]

I mean, it's. It's just. Your whole body's just working in one.

[Diana Rossini]

So where are you, like. Where are you, like, the least flexible? Is it like hamstring?

[Patrick Surtan]

Hamstrings?

[Diana Rossini]

I think that's just a man thing in general.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah. Hamstrings is just like.

[Diana Rossini]

And it affects so much, obviously, your back and everything else, but one of your rivals, someone from one of those teams, texted me during practice today and was like, how's that defense looking?

[Co-Host]

Right.

[Diana Rossini]

And I'd be lying if I said that that was the first time someone's asked me about the Broncos defense, because there's. There is a lot of hype that this is one of the best in football right now. Just from your experience and years playing, how would you categorize this defense right now based on what you've seen here just in the first few weeks of training camp?

[Patrick Surtan]

Man, I always just go off of last year. I mean, looking at what people had us last year, like, you know, we was unproven, a lot of unknowns, a lot of uncertainty. Then once the season ended and we left on a good mark, and then we added these pieces like Dre and Hugh Funker, and it's just like, man, like, sky's the limit for us because we just so dominant everywhere. Like, top to bottom, so talented. I mean, the depth is endless. So I'm looking forward to this. Going to be a fun season.

[Host]

I can't wait to the defensive meeting room with Vance Joseph, because Vance brings pressure from everywhere. Likes five man front, like the Bear front, all this stuff. How does he talk to you guys in the meeting room? What has been his message to you guys this year?

[Patrick Surtan]

Been simple. We gonna, like you said, have a five man rush, let our line do the work. DBs, you don't have to cover that long. We could be aggressive.

[Host]

Aggressive.

[Patrick Surtan]

I mean, just everything is honed in on being physical, stopping the run. And we know as corners, it's gonna challenge us, you know what I mean? Close the middle of the field, corners gonna be tested outside. And we like our chances against anybody. So, you know, that's the defense. You know, we, we have game plan wise and each and every day we just going to try to perfect that and be the best that we could be.

[Diana Rossini]

Which receiver talks the most when you're playing? Because I was just thinking like, I wonder if he talks. You talk out there, here and there. It's not who doesn't shut up.

[Co-Host]

Who.

[Diana Rossini]

Runs their mouth a bit.

[Patrick Surtan]

I ain't gonna lie. Last year me and D Hop was going at it. Yeah, that's probably like one of my games. I was riled up a little bit. You know what I mean? Me and D Hop was going at it. That's probably one of the games where he was talking his trash. I was talking about trash going back and forth. So, you know, good battles.

[Host]

Yeah. So your division stacked right, top to bottom. Even Raiders getting better this year. New head coach Pete Carroll, Geno Smith, all this stuff. But from your perspective, right, top five quarterbacks that you don't want to face, like, you're like, hey, in the league right now because everyone has their thoughts, right? It's this whole thing. But I'm. Because I got my thoughts. But from a defense, we've never asked a defense.

[Diana Rossini]

I know we always ask other quarterbacks.

[Host]

And we can talk through this here a little bit. They don't have to be in order, so don't worry about order. But in your mind, when you're watching film, like, is it Mahomes, is it Herbert, is it Lamar? Is it like when you're looking, you're like, man, I don't want to play this guy.

[Diana Rossini]

It's not even. I don't want him. He's a problem. He's a problem.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, he's a problem. You know, I'm. Listen, I'm going to give you, you know, your respect. You know what I mean? So I think definitely Mahomes, I mean, we face him twice a year, so we know that's gonna be a challenge.

[Host]

You guys playing?

[Patrick Surtan]

Well, you know, we've been getting after it, you know what I mean? Just ain't letting nothing up because we know one slip up could be a big play with him. So, you know, we gotta be on our P's and Q's. Definitely Mahomes. I respect him for many years since I've been in the league. Lamar. Lamar is a problem.

[Host]

He's getting better and better.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, he's a problem, man. I ain't gonna lie.

[Host]

He's gotten better throwing the ball.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah. And that's dangerous. Cause you know, everybody know he could run the ball, but even just throwing it, you know, his throw is precise. Now on the rope, that's dangerous. That's tough to beat. So definitely Lamar Josh coming off Andrew Pierre. I mean, he's been that guy.

[Co-Host]

Herbert.

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah, yeah. He's always a. A tough matchup just because how talented he is and you know, how he's able to be consistent.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Patrick Surtan]

Throughout the years. So I definitely say Herbert and got.

[Host]

The burrow in there, right?

[Patrick Surtan]

Definitely burrow.

[Host]

Yeah. I've been watching the new show Quarterback.

[Diana Rossini]

Here's the thing. It's unbelievable that 5 is kind of easy for us to spell out. It's always right after that that I struggle. It's like, you know, you throw Stafford in there, Jalen hurts, like, just want a Super bowl, you know what I mean? Like Bo Nix, there you go, Nix, baby, right? You got to get him in there.

[Patrick Surtan]

I'm telling you, man, Bo gonna be a problem. I'm telling you. I ain't gonna say too much because I know he don't like, because we're.

[Host]

Interviewing him after you. What have you seen from his growth? Because you got here when obviously you've been here when he got here. What has he improved at the most? Is it his leadership on the field? Is it his play? Like, what have you seen through his growth?

[Patrick Surtan]

I mean, you could just tell, like when he first came in, like, he was ready, you know, he was sound. Everything about him just screamed veteran QB in a way. But I feel like this year, you know, he's more composed, understands the offense even more, you know, more confident, even more vocal. You know, he's a great leader out there. You know what I mean? He brings offense together and you can just tell he's been working the off season. He got a little bigger, a little stronger as well.

[Co-Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Surtan]

You know what I mean? So it's really scary.

[Host]

Talk back.

[Patrick Surtan]

He does, he does.

[Diana Rossini]

I've seen him on. On tv.

[Bo Nix]

He runs his first year.

[Patrick Surtan]

I mean, we be getting out there for sure.

[Diana Rossini]

Not a rookie anymore, right?

[Patrick Surtan]

Yeah. Yeah, not a rookie.

[Co-Host]

That's awesome.

[Patrick Surtan]

So it's good comp, you know, I mean, good work.

[Diana Rossini]

Do you ever give him a hard time about being 25 years old and.

[Co-Host]

He'S only talking about it?

[Patrick Surtan]

We can talk about it.

[Diana Rossini]

How do you not make fun of him?

[Patrick Surtan]

I think, I think he give himself more of a hard time. You know, we don't really question him about it. But you know, I mean, he mentioned every now and then when we talk, you know, and stuff like that, so. But Bo is great. So.

[Diana Rossini]

All right. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. I know camp is long, so we appreciate man. Good luck. Stay healthy this season. Thank you. We look forward to seeing you take down the Chiefs possibly this year.

[Patrick Surtan]

Oh yeah. Head down your calendar.

[Diana Rossini]

Still to come on Scoop City, head coach Sean Payton joins the show to talk about why he's so maniacal about the details, what he sees in Bo Nix, and why he's absolutely in love with his current Broncos team.

[Co-Host]

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[Host]

This is our first stop.

[Co-Host]

Oh, I didn't know that. I got you guys.

[Host]

We, we, we literally texted you like a couple days ago, hey, coming out, first stop.

[Diana Rossini]

And we discussed as a group too, we said, all right, what do we want to do? Where do we want to start? Last year we did the Chiefs. They were just coming off the Super Bowl. We didn't want to do the Eagles. Cuz we said, let's, let's start with the team that we probably have the most belief in for what the season's going to be after what we saw last year. So now that you've had some time off to reflect a little bit on what you did did last year, what's something that stands out for you?

[Co-Host]

I think the number one thing would be we played a lot of young players. And when you do that, obviously there's going to be a learning curve, but there's something dangerous about a young team in that sometimes, like there's certain things you might take for granted or understand in our league and these guys. And if you get the right group, which we found last year and we began to hit stride, it's fun coaching them. And this offseason, then adding a few veteran pieces, another young draft. It's been. Look, the off season's been great and the start of this training camp has been really good. And when you have a quarterback in place and you feel like you've seen what you need to see, obviously not only the improvement, but the poise from last year that gives everyone on the team hope.

[Host]

Yeah. And coach, you were gracious enough. I was out there with you guys. Had a script. You got me a script. That was awesome. It's like I almost wanted to play again. Right. And you look at the plays and everything comes rushing back and you're pulling me over. Hey, man, look at this quarterback. Like, it is a real thing that you guys have your quarterback. Last year when we were here, 16 throws is what you said. It took us or you to realize he was our guy.

[Diana Rossini]

You're jumping out of the chair.

[Host]

You were jumping out of the chair.

[Diana Rossini]

We were like, look, this was crazy. He. He believes in this guy.

[Bo Nix]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

And I think it's. It's a hard position to evaluate. So there's a lot more that goes into that. Like, what are you valuing? You know, there was a lot of criticism about the offense he was in and, and understandably so he can't control that but all of them that we evaluated, you know, we had to eliminate the now screens and bubbles and, and really focus in on the things that we value. And he's hard to sack. He's got exceptional feet, he's got exceptional arm strength when you see the off schedule throws. And I think last week I answered a question to this narrative of well, he found the right fit and that's explaining why he's having success. My comment was, I don't know a team in the league that doesn't want what I'm seeing.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

You know, in other words. And so do you feel like you.

[Diana Rossini]

Could, you could put Bo Nicks in Philly and he can do well.

[Co-Host]

You could put Bo Nix, but they would be happy. Yeah, like happy like I am. Yeah.

[Host]

But with you in that development asset, he's obviously the guy you guys made the playoffs last year. What is his next step up this year? Like where did you realize last year he was like, okay, we got our guy. And then going into this off season you're like, hey, we got to get better at this bonix.

[Co-Host]

Well, I think the first thing I look at is all right, how do we help that player and the two, I think the two greatest allies are good defense and a running game. And so we played good defense a year ago. We didn't run the ball as effectively as we had hoped. And so focusing on that, you know, people will say get them a weapon and well, the running game is a weapon for that position. You know that. And so we've signed some running backs this off season. We spent a ton of time on our run install scheme and meanwhile, look, he's working on all the, the cutups and looking back at the season, the third downs, getting more comfortable at the line of scrimmage. And then, you know, a lot was talked about when he went to visit Drew and more of that was schedule and how did you handle your work week in season? What was Monday like, what was Tuesdays like? You've been in those. Yeah, exact room. And so to actually look at that schedule and, and understand like how, how much time was in there. And he's both someone that spends a ton of time.

[Host]

Has he talked to you about that? Does he want to incorporate that?

[Co-Host]

Just how to organize the time and how to challenge himself with all of the offensive formations by the week's end so that the plays coming in now are coming in much, a little bit cleaner and easier. And I could, you could just see it when he steps into the huddle and out of the huddle no doubt. So that part is. Is what you'd expect in the second year. But I would say an understanding of all the options on a play, you know, in that, hey, when we call, you know why Flutie, there's this backside here. We can get to a little bit more in these coverage looks 100%. And I think that with all the cutups and you know, not only cut ups from his season, but scheme cut ups of 15 years of a scheme.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

You know, we talked about the, the happy ending.

[Host]

The touchdown.

[Co-Host]

Touchdown reel897. We have 800. Yeah. And every one of them ends in a touchdown. But their schemes were installing and why did they, why were they so successful? So he's eager for that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

And that's the start you've given him.

[Diana Rossini]

So much even going back to last year. Like you're not holding back. In fact, we criticized you a little bit on Scoop City. We thought is Sean maybe pushing too much? Is he. Is he losing patience and trying to get him to the level that, that his potential is, but he's just not ready yet. Where are you at now in terms of how much of this offense can you handle? Are you giving him everything in a Sean Payton playbook?

[Co-Host]

Look, well, it's ours. And when I say that it's. It evolves. So part of the playbook evolves with the quarterback who's playing. We have more RPOs that, you know, things that he's done really well. At one point last year, we asked all three quarterbacks, I said, I want your most favorite play you've ever run. And then I'm going to evaluate. We're going to put all three of them in and then I'm going to evaluate how successful these plays are. So all three contributed. And, and sure enough, all three are plays that are in our staple install now. And there's. And each one had a conviction why this was a good play. And so that doesn't like, that doesn't change. And there is a little custom fitting here.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

Relative to like what these guys have done since high school and in college, maybe that I'm not as familiar with or we're not as familiar with. But we're gonna, we're gonna figure it out. And it existed when we, when we signed Drew back in 06. Fortunately, we hadn't installed any offense, so we quickly grabbed a lot of the terminology he was familiar with. And so I would say, look, he's got a lot of it and he's comfortable with it. And I think the number One thing is, it begins to slow down for him a little bit, the defensive looks.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[Host]

Well, let's talk about you a little bit, because we were on the car ride over here with Diane and everyone, and just stories from my time with you. Six years with you kept coming up like you're 61. It doesn't seem like you're slowing down at all. It seems almost like just spending some time. You're reinvigorated. Right. It's. It's the Broncos ownership. It's the team that you have. You love the team, you love the quarterback, all that stuff. How do you keep trying to find ways to reinvent yourself? Because, remember when I told you out there, I said, and I'm be honest with you, Your team meetings are some of the best team meetings ever been a part of, because you know how to control the team, and you have the vision from the outside, but you keep everyone in the building on the same page. How are you continuing to do that and find new ways?

[Co-Host]

I think one of the great things about the jobs we have, all of us as coaches, is we get to be around young players. So now there are certain stories or athletes that I might reference in a team meeting that would have had a certain response 10 years ago that get no response today. And I'm like.

[Diana Rossini]

Then it's like, well, your references are probably.

[Co-Host]

Then I'm like, I'm not.

[Patrick Surtan]

You guys need to figure this out.

[Co-Host]

Like, I brought up. I don't know who. Like Prince or something, and they looked at me like I was cycling. So no, I. But the meetings are different. And as teachers, I think that there has to be constant change. We're learning about, like, there's so many things we didn't know about nutrition or hydration or sleep or the way, like. And if we just turn the page every year, then we'd quickly fall behind. How our meetings are conducted are different. I mean, there's music, there's video, and, you know, there wasn't all of that back in 06 07. So I think we're evolving, and I think no different than a high school math teacher. I think they're evolving, too. I mean, you want to teach something, but you also have to motivate the student in a way, captivate them. That's our job. And so that's the fun part of the job, coming up with new ideas.

[Diana Rossini]

We have a little bit of an inside bet here going on, because I'm curious of what your answer's going to be, if you could replicate any of the players that you've coached over the years. Because we were going back, talking about Chase's early days with you, and we're just going through your roster, and I was like, I wonder if there's a player if he could just have on every one of his teams moving forward. Who is it?

[Co-Host]

All right, so the question isn't who's my favorite player?

[Diana Rossini]

It's not who your favorite.

[Co-Host]

No, no, no.

[Diana Rossini]

Because I've got favorite people in my life, but they're not the best at what they do.

[Co-Host]

So many Jimmy Graham shockies breed.

[Host]

The first guy I said, Jimmy Gross. The first guy I said was Jimmy.

[Co-Host]

Honorable mentions.

[Host]

Listen, the first one I said, I'm.

[Co-Host]

So happy because he retired this year. Yes. And. But I think there was something about fricking Darren Sprouls.

[Host]

We were talking about him earlier today.

[Co-Host]

And when I tell you this, and I just spoke to him, he's coaching now. All right. And he's reached out and he wants to get into it at this level, and he's going to do an internship for us next fall, and that's really cool.

[Host]

He.

[Co-Host]

I'll never forget Drew saying every snap that he played with Darren, and I don't know how many snaps that was. Obviously, it was a lot. The Chargers, the same way. Drew said there wasn't one time on the field. He surprised me with what he did. And his football IQ was off the charts.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

And so, like, a lot of these cut ups that I'm grabbing, Harvey or Dobbins or, you know, any one of these backs up in the room and we're going through, you know, there's Reggie, there's Camara, and Alvin's got those same.

[Host]

Listen, never surprised you as a quarterback.

[Co-Host]

Never, ever. So Sprouls, he's one of those unique guys, and then you forget about his talent as a runner. I mean, you know, so. But look at. I've been lucky. And you've heard me talk about the receiver position, the significance of that, but then also those tight ends and runners that can get the closer matchups, and we. I mean, I don't know that we ever. I never say we took it for granted, but, yeah, man, we had some years where the jokers were everywhere.

[Host]

Well. And yeah, I mean, from Pierre Thomas to Sprouls to Reggie, I mean, you just. You had it constant. Last question. Me. We want to be respectful of your time. Your rookie class this year, right after the draft, and it was said and done. I texted you and I said, I like your draft a lot. And you said, it Has a chance to be special.

[Co-Host]

Yeah. I always, I always think we always get the draft grades and what's real important is trying to. And it's hard today. And I'm talking more about the first and second round. But tune out that, that NFL train that takes you in a direction with personnel and look and go by what you see. Baron, we took in the first round, you know, he was one of those clumps that we didn't think would be there. You put on all the tape, man. Inside slot, outside corner at a premium position. And what I mean by that, like those players in the off season aren't available.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

Like there are certain positions that are of abundance, but you can't find those versatile corners. Harvey in the second round out of Central Florida, he was a target.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

A big target. And then it was a matter of where. Bryant in the third round, another target. We had more insight to him maybe than most with our college ties to Illinois. Jim Leonard, of course, on our staff, worked at Illinois. And then, man, just continue through the draft with the defensive lineman, LSU outside backer, Alabama punter, and it just kept going. And the tight end, learner late. There was a clear vision for every one of these picks as to what they're going to do in year one and how we see them fitting in the process program. And we're getting a chance to watch. Watch it come to life right now. So I, I do think it's. You know, we had a few of those drafts that set you up in New Orleans together. The 06, the 17 was crazy.

[Host]

Yep. 17 was nuts. Couldn't pay everybody ram check. Yeah. Like.

[Co-Host]

Well, the third round. Yeah, the third round was Camara and Zalone and Hendrickson.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

That was the third. And so, yeah, those third rounds are like. Because when you think about the draft, 90% of the discussion is about really the first round.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

And you know, Bill would be. He'd call me and say, this fifth.

[Host]

Round, get your starters in third.

[Diana Rossini]

This is where you get them.

[Co-Host]

This is where you have a good draft, though. Yeah. We ought to be able to draft well early.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

We obviously love bombarding you with questions about the offense and just the way you speak of it and you're so respect around the league. But the talk right now is defense. Describe the Denver Broncos defense this season. Right now, from what you've seen already, what should be ready to see?

[Co-Host]

Confident.

[Diana Rossini]

Confident.

[Co-Host]

Yeah. Swagger. You take and look in big games last year, we saw them play and play. Turn the ball over sacks and then you add funga and Greenlaw. And you add a few of those pieces along with these young guys. I would say the front in the secondary, I mean certain was the player of the year. Moss. I'd say confident.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

And that's, that's a, that has to be an earned thing too on defense. Like you could pretend to be confident, but those are stripes earned and I think they're looking forward to. I was kind of concerned about the first day in pads today. Like I didn't know how that was going to unfold.

[Diana Rossini]

Greenlaw look good.

[Co-Host]

Yeah, well, I just, I didn't know. It was pretty calm. There weren't any. No tickets issued?

[Host]

No, they're chilling.

[Diana Rossini]

Well, you know, our show's a two way show. We love talking. You have any questions for Chase? Any questions for me?

[Co-Host]

No, listen, I. Listen, I, I still love the story. Most people don't realize Chase. See, I was coaching for the Cowboys when he played football at South Lake High School. In fact, I live a mile from him. His stadium right next to South Lake Dragons. And my daughter was a junior cheerleader, so she was, she would have been, oh, seven, eight years old. And on one game a year they'd have the junior cheerleaders part of the deal. And so I watched him play. And then at one point in New Orleans, I believe our long snapper, our holder and our kicker all went to South Lake Carroll High School.

[Host]

Guess where the first game was? Dallas. Dallas Stadium. Thanksgiving.

[Co-Host]

Unreal.

[Host]

Hartley Dresher. Me.

[Co-Host]

Yeah. Now the. Like I used to say, if Jim Brown came out of South Lake Carroll, I wouldn't draft him because we're at our limit. We're at three. If one comes in, one of you gotta go. No, he. So he goes to Missouri, signs with Washington and then the final cut down.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host]

I'm on the phone with him, walk out of the building and he's like, wait a minute, what do you mean? I said just walk out of the building. You're coming here? I have a contract, coach. I'm getting ready. I said, did you hear what I said? Walk out of the building. And like, it's hard to tell someone to just leave the building. And there's nothing in writing. You're just.

[Host]

I promise you're good. You'll be on active roster two weeks.

[Co-Host]

He left the building.

[Diana Rossini]

All the best of Megan and Connor, your whole family.

[Co-Host]

Absolutely.

[Diana Rossini]

Good luck to the Denver Broncos.

[Host]

We look forward to.

[Diana Rossini]

Forward to talking about you guys and.

[Co-Host]

Seeing you guys highlighting all the good stuff. I'm sure we'll see you again.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Can't wait.

[Co-Host]

Sounds good.

[Diana Rossini]

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