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Castoff to Super Bowl: Sam Darnold's improbable redemption story + Coaching carousel updates
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Diana
What.
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Daniel
Would you wear to a head coach?
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Chase
Interview me in person. Oh, man. I'd wear a suit with no tie, sharp white dress shirt tucked in, collared obviously, like a dress shirt. Heavy starch guy, one button. Yeah, well, I'm a light starch. Light starch, James. Light starch. One button undone, hair fixed nicely and probably like some really shiny white shoes. Not like dress shoes. That's too much. Okay.
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Daniel
All right.
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Chase
That's so like I'm here to party, but I'm serious. But I don't need a tie. But also, it's football. But also, yeah.
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Diana
Welcome into Scoop City on a Monday. We know who is playing in the super bowl in Santa Clara. The Seattle Seahawks and the New England Patriots. It couldn't be further far logistically, I guess. Chase, I just thought of that. I was like, that is really far apart as they meet in San Francisco. All right, don't forget to like and subscribe here at Scoop City because we have all the goods three days a week coming at you. We're going to break down everything that Sam Darnold did. He played brilliantly in that NFC Championship game. Chase is going to break down a little bit of that film for us as well. Drake May does just enough to get things done in wild conditions. I was there in Denver. We'll take you onto the field and kind of describe what they were playing in. And then also Diana Rossini is going to be joining us to give us everything we need to know. Chase, about the coaching searches in Cleveland and in Buffalo and in Arizona and in Vegas. They're still openings. And what's happening in Philadelphia with the OC job. So much to get to. We're going to get moving here, and we're going to start with what we believe. I think, Chase, we've said this multiple times, maybe the most complete and best team in football in our eyes, for large stretches of this season in terms of all three phases, probably. And everybody was always curious, is Sam Darnold going to be the guy that can get over that hump? As everybody continues to doubt him on the biggest stages, they look at what happened last year when he won 14 games and the Rams just dismantled him in the playoffs. Well, he goes out and does it to the Rams in the NFC Championship game. I want to start with some film. I want to get to it. Show me why Sam Darnold was outstanding in this NFC Championship game.
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Chase
Yeah, I mean, look, I, I, I just, I've always sort of been a Sam Darnold believer. First of all, he's 30 and seven in the last two years. James, that's 30 and seven. And look, I, I understand the team. He's been around, but I just. Let's, let's just run it, because this, this is the Bobo touchdown. I think Bobo had three or four catches going into this.
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Diana
Four catches on the year. Yeah.
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Chase
Okay, so they're going to end up bringing corner cat. Watch JSN at the bottom of your screen. He's going to end up pointing at the corner, and when he does that, he points. Watch Kenneth Walker. First of all, the blocking, the blocking is there. Then they roll to cover two. Bobo and Sam Darnold see it perfectly. It's a corner post. It's unbelievable. Here's the thing. I mean, the throw is, is, is excellent. It's a perfect play call at the perfect time. But JSN then relays to Kenneth Walker. And then this is a great view because I think the story of the game is, watch Darnold see this wide open. The safety's running up. But watch the pressure on him as he throws this. He's getting hit. He can't step into this throw. And I think that's sort of the story of this entire game is when you watch this play and you watch another play and you like, he was really good under pressure. Sees the corner cat Kenneth Walker with the block throws an absolute dime. And I think according to next gen stats, right, Like, I'm not a huge next gen stats person, but when it, like there's some really cool stuff that happens, it just talks about trends, love next gen stats and what they do. But he's the first quarterback next gen stats era in a playoff game to throw for three touchdowns under pressure. So every one of his touchdown passes, it's a tight pocket. And I remember talking early in the week, I don't know if it was you or some other people, but I said the entire game will come down to how Sam Darnold is under pressure. Because so much of last season, so much of this season, so much of a lot of it, he's really struggled. When he gets pushed in the pocket or pushed up in the pocket like that, that's what I've sort of seen because he's not able to really step into his throws. And for whatever reason, maybe it's the Rams, maybe it's whatever. I thought Kubiak called a heck of a game. I thought Sam Darnold under press played a heck of a game. And it's just sort of like a redemption tour. I know it's been talked about a lot, but Sam Darnold is a very good quarterback. Like, like I would say when he's playing his best ball, like, to me That's a top 12, top 10 quarterback performance. Like top 10 in the league. Like, like when you're able to play this in a championship game. Like, that's why I think the Seahawks are our super bowl favorites. Like the way Sam, obviously, like, we know about the defense, we know about all this stuff, but what Sam Dolan was able to do last night, man, that was really impressive.
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Diana
It was really impressive. We always knew the physical traits were there. Chase, that's why he was drafted, where he was playing, the position, the athletic ability, the arm, talent, all of those things. And then now we're seeing a lot of it come together. We had Michael Shawn Dugar on here last week talking about what Clint Kubiak and Mike McDonald have done for him in terms of the mental side of it. They never say to him in the headset ever, like, hey, tight window. Protect the football. In this instance. No, go rip it. They never even even want to mention anything in terms of turning the football over. And you're right under the press pressure he was under. I thought he delivered the football brilliantly. His eyes were outstanding. Nobody turned the football over more under pressure this season than Sam Darnold were they all his fault? No. Were there some bad luck ones in there? But that's a fact. So handling pressure, I think is what we saw in this game. And can he do it against a team that has been bringing a lot of pressure in the postseason? More so than they did during the regular season in the New England Patriots. They've really upped the amount of times they're coming after quarterbacks, and the pressure rate is up in this postseason. And now we'll see if he can handle it once again because we've seen time and time again with this team. Chase, it's been this defense is outstanding. This special teams is really, really good. Obviously Rashid Shahid and what he's brought to the return game and then Sam Darnold kind of picked everybody up in this one. And that's why I mentioned about the complimentary football of this.
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Chase
And how about JSN too? Like, that's something like, obviously like Cooper Cup, I thought had like a actually really good game. Like, but when you look at JSN like, that gives me like, best receiver in the NFL vibes because it's not only what he's able to do, obviously, like, route running. And I thought that Brady actually said it really good on the broader.
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Diana
Brady was excellent to you. So.
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Chase
So Brady was excellent. And it was such a good explanation. And what Brady said was, it looks like he's almost ice skating out there. And that's the biggest compliment you can give receivers because it just looks like you're gliding right. And Brady talked a lot about shoulder plane with receivers. So your shoulder plane, if it comes down or if it rises up, people know you're accelerating versus decelerating. And guys and DBs are able to sit on that and see that his looks the exact same. His shoulder plane is the same when he's going, when he's accelerating, when he's decelerating, when he's getting out of brakes, when he's doing all this stuff. And that's just really difficult to do. Not only is he. The thing that I think makes one of the like JSN one of the best receivers in all of football is not necessarily the physical traits. Right?
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Diana
Like that.
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Chase
That's great, right? Everyone has those. Jamar, Chase Jefferson, he's actually built a little different. Honestly, he's built different. But what I love about him is he can do it from anywhere on the field. Like, that's what I came out of this game saying, is you can line up at the X to the boundary. You can line him up to the Z, to the field. You can line up in the slot, you can line them in the backfield, which they did on that corner route touchdown. And they constantly moving him. And it's because Kubiak sees these matchups that he wants. So teams, you're going to motion left, right, if they're. If they're not following people. If they're not, you can. You can get JSN and a matchup at any point in the game that you want, whether it's on a linebacker in the backfield, whether it's outside on the boundary quarter, whether it's inside on the safety, whether it's outside on their best field court, it doesn't matter. I just think that just makes this off offense go, man. It's. It's impressive.
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Diana
Yeah, it's a great receiver with a great scheme, with an offensive coordinator that understands different ways to free him up and put him in matchups. And I remember going all the way back to his pro day, and he was, like I mentioned, built different. Some teams had a little bit of like a. I don't have a comp for him when I talked to teams that were there. I don't know how to really comp him to anything. And, you know, Chase with evaluators that'll freak him out. I don't have a comp to tell my general manager of what he's expected to be. I think that's what makes him great. That lower half is actually like, it's thick, it's big. It's honestly like. It's how he's built, and that's what he uses in a lot of this. And the upper body just kind of goes with it in the way that he moves, and it's really, really something. Is there anything you saw from this. From this Seahawks defense that has been arguably the best defense in all of football? You could say them or Houston or maybe anybody else New England plays in the postseason. Denver. Have you seen anything from that group that could give you some concern about the matchup against New England?
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Chase
I mean. No.
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Diana
Okay, next question. Chase.
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Chase
Yeah, I mean, look, Seattle, to me has done such a good job of staying in two high safety looks and containing the run, because that. That's this shell look, right? This umbrella coverage where they keep everything in front of you. The safeties run the alleys and their quarters coverage so well. But I do know the Patriots are going to want to run a football, and I think they're going to get big to run the football, and I think that they Have a really good play action game out of big personnel and extra offensive linemen, whether it be one back, three tight ends, whatever it may be. So play action game. I mean this is early play action game over the top. How is Seattle going to match them? All this stuff matters.
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Diana
Yeah, that's great. That's a great point. And all Seattle one. Everybody who plays Seattle goes, can you stay in this big three nickel? Can you have Nikki Mori on the field here and can you come downhill and stop the run? And will you do that consist through the course of the year while you're playing that too high type of shell? It's, it's, it's. It's been the cat and mouse game that those two teams in the NFC championship game, Chase, have gone three times now. Now we'll see if New England can kind of play that, that game against Seattle in the way that they line up. And man, they're so good in the interior middle. How about with New England? They come away with a 107 win and just wild conditions in the second half. I'm standing on the sideline pre game Chase. I have my big coat on and I'm like, I feel like I'm overdressed. It's sunny, it's beautiful.
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Chase
Good.
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Diana
And I was like, this thing look good and I feel like George Costanza in the giant poofy vest. But then after the game, I'm running on the field while the Patriots are celebrating and I'm like freezing my, my tail off and I'm like, I'm underdressed. It turned on a dime. What did you see from Drake May, the young quarterback who's right up there with Matthew Stafford, probably the two guys at the top of this MVP race. And what he was able to do, it almost seemed like just enough. And make sure you don't hurt your team. Specifically in the second half, we saw that play where I think Ramon Dre Stevenson just falls down when the ball is snapped and it's just like Drake May's like, I'm just going to fall down like, we're not going to turn this over because nobody's scoring points in this fourth quarter. What did you see from Drake May in a very interesting AFC Championship game?
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Chase
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think you can take anything out of this, this game and say, oh, Drake May did this. And he's this. I sent out a tweet and I guess a lot of people didn't like it. I. After this game, Drake May's going to be a superstar because it wasn't me talking and it got a lot of hate from a lot of like people like Denver Broncos fans, Eagles fans somehow always hate. I don't really. It doesn't even matter. Great relationship Eagles fans. Here's, here's my whole thought process behind that tweet was in. It's not necessarily what he did in this game but you look at his entire season, right. It's probably going to finish second in the mvp. I think Stafford's going to end up taking it home. But it's his second year and they're going to the Super Bowl. James, look at the roster they're doing it with. I try not to like it's not like the best built roster offensively that they have right. Like in, in the league. But it's, it's consistently making a play when a play is needed. And you look at two plays in that game. You couldn't do it with your arm. No one could do it with their arm that game. Like you weren't going to win the game in the second half with your arm. He ran for almost 70 yards, right. And he was able to make plays with his feet. You look at the quarterback draw, excellent play call, get in rushing touchdown. And then you look at the, I think third and five where he doesn't tell any of his teammates that he's keeping the ball. I've been in that situation before. I've had Sean Payton say in like a preseason game, hey just keep it. Don't tell anyone, anyone else because if you tell anyone else they're not going to sell it for the, for the run. And then he's able to beat him. The stiff arm around and I, I just, I like the way he's built like you look at it and, and he's struggled in the pocket taking sacks and protecting the football. It's because his offense line is not very good. Like it's not very good at all. They're going to have to come up with an insane protection plan to beat these Seahawks. But I just, I really enjoy Drake Mays sort of growth. The fact that he's in this 2024 quarterback class. Guys. Oh my gosh. Like, like multiple have been to convert championships. Drake May's the first to a Super bowl like all this stuff. Caleb Williams is one away. Pinnocks is obviously the one that's like ah, Bo, Nick's got three Daniels last year Jane Daniels was one away. I mean I think it's, I think it's great. And, and the thing is and, and like you look at the path that Drake may has taken and yes, it's not just a singular quarterback, it's his team. He's been beaten three top five defenses already in the playoffs and if he beats the Seattle Seahawks that would be four. And so like that's one of the toughest pass. I think John Elwood was the only one that had that path to win a super you it's one of the greater paths in postseason history if you can pull it off.
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Diana
Yeah, he's been outstanding and standing on that Patriots sideline pregame and talking to people and talking to guys within the Broncos during the week and then after the game. Chase is kind of what I gathered about, about Drake and the way this all works. One, he, he has an unbelievable touch on his deep ball. You know that that makes the group of receivers that he's working with. Like you mentioned, the offensive line isn't outstanding. I think you would say that this isn't an outstanding skill group. He has, does he have very good chemistry with them and cohesion with them? Certainly there's that touch on the deep ball. No, you know, they don't hesitate to go deep. They will do it but then at the same time they have a great play caller and Josh McDing and they have a great quarterback developer in the way that this season has gone. And then you take the traits that Drake has and the off script stuff he can do with using his legs. I'm not gonna lie, I did call that in the press and I'll have to often. Maybe we'll get Albert get to Albert Brewer sitting next to me. I was like Bert, one of these times Drake is just booting this thing because they are selling out for this right now.
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Chase
They can't get off the field.
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Diana
They're just setting it up. This is happening. And so it just. Drake brings a lot of different things to the table. But Josh is a huge part of this and Denver just had so much to deal with that they thought going in before the weather turn Chase where it was. You know, they get the running backs involved in the progression so quickly once they realize that you're going to drop because they like to push to the sticks and then they create this space in the intermediate game that Josh does. It's just a really good scheme. Very often with a guy who's running it at a high level and the guy who hired Josh McDaniels is the guy that we should be talking about about it is Mike Vrabel. And when I look at what he's done Here, Chase. Like, I don't think it's just one fan base that is going to be completely enamored with the way this season has gone. It's two fan bases. There's another one sitting in Tennessee right now going, we had this guy. We had a guy that is now working with a young quarterback and has developed him into a star in year two, and he has taken a young team that has maybe a couple of core players. And in this off season, Chase, I don't think they missed on any of their offseason acquisitions. Like, they didn't whiff on any of them. Milton Williams has been outstanding. Stefan Diggs has been great for them. They have, you know, the draft picks that they have at safety or on the offensive line have been, you know, they've. Not to say everybody's just a rock star, but they've. They haven't missed on anything. What does a coach of this caliber. You've been around Sean Payton a lot. Like, some people, I don't think, give credence to the coach and the culture that they build. And like, what Mike has done in New England so quickly.
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Chase
Yeah, I mean, I, I just, I love raves and I sent out a tweet about that as well. Is like, there's no one. I say no one. There's a few coaches that are so good at situational game awareness that is just like second nature to them. Like, every single bit of, like, game time. There's all. And I think that's what Raves is doing. Like, obviously he has a big say in the defense and how it looks and feels, but he's just so good at going over situations before they happen to where there's no, there's no, like, flinch. And now I know he's got a guy in the box that does that. I know a stretch, whatever his name is. Like, he's getting a lot of pub for helping the game management and stuff like that. Right. I, I get that. But at the end, it's your decision and he's had to be perfect. I mean, I can't know. I don't know of any situations in the last 10 or 12 games where he's missed. And it's the situational. It's clock awareness. How much time are you running out? And you watch the, the Patriots, as the second half progressed, they said, hey, we're going to run, run, run, punt, run, run, run, punt, we don't care. Weather is now the biggest factor in this football game. And they were all over it. Like, they, they were all over it. And then you look at is, I was noticing this is Drake Mays breaking the huddle at 18 seconds and he's snapping the ball with one second left on the play clock. Like they're in true bleed clock mode. Every single second counts. Every little thing matters. And it's just, it's been an excellent job by him, truly.
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Diana
It's, it's unbelievable. I, I, I don't know if anybody at the head coaching position knows the rule book better than Mike Frable, the way he can manipulate certain aspects of the rulebook and go, this is legal. I can do this is just outstanding. I had a conversation with Milton Williams on the field after it in the snow, which was, I don't know how those guys played, honestly. But anyway, he was just like, nobody works harder. Nobody has us more focused. Nobody's more disciplined. This is how we win football games. Like, in a sense, it comes from, from our head coach. I know nobody's really believed that this group of players and I don't know if people outside of New England can name more than three guys on this defense Chase, honestly. And now they're going to have their hands full with Sam Darnold Co. But they're a really good defense. Both safeties interchangeable. They played really well. They're good on all three levels. They're really good. And we'll be breaking down, obviously, that super bowl matchup throughout the course of the next couple of weeks. But coming up, we're going to talk about the two teams that now their seasons are over, what went wrong for the Rams and the Broncos, and what we should look for this offseason for them to change. Jason. I'll do that next year. Next on Scoop City. In a world where January is supposed.
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Chase
Yeah, I, I just, before we break it down, I did not mind the decision. Fourth and one. You're trying to go up 14. Nothing. I just hated the play call. And look, I'm going to be honest, I spent five years with them and we've been running that play for as long as you can remember with a, with a quarterback. Then get out. He didn't do a Drew, but you look at every one of his other quarterbacks, it's called slipper ne make it right. They go out to the right. They do this. Here's the one thing I noticed right. They end up, I think they, they take a, take a timeout before that because they had 11 personnel play and the Patriots were in nickel. So they matched personnel groupings. So you have 11 one back, one tight end, three receivers versus five DBs, four down linemen, two safeties, two corners right in the nickel and their run there and I don't know what it usually is, but if they're going to run the football and it looked like a play that they run, it looks like a play called duo, which means there's double teams on the offensive lineman, it's literally just like halfback dive. But it's a unique blocking scheme that they're really good at. And they do it a lot for whatever reason. And this is, this is Sean, right? And he does this sometimes. Ah, they didn't like the look, so they call a timeout. Then they come out and they get to a different personnel. And what New England does, I think completely changes the game on them. And they, they sub into heavy personnel group and base defense. And what they do, if you look before the snap, they're in this even front, which means the center is not covered. There's both guards covered, both tackles covered. Linebackers, they go shift, they move down into gaps. Defense where each gap on each side of the center is covered, each gap on each guard is covered. And they have two guys on. So there's six guys on the ball. So I was like, oh, man, they're. Now they can't run the ball, so they have a pass and it's slipper naked. Right? Here's the thing that they just completely out. This is out coached. They did this is. They do an out charge. So you have all these guys in gaps. They do an out charge. The right defensive end or the left defensive end on the Patriots right defensive end, if you're from the Bronco side, loops out, uncovered, unblocked. You're, you're, you, you're never, you never have that guy unblocked when you do this slipper naked, right play. So it just was, it was, it was a shame because a lot of people are saying, oh, like Sean Payton lost us a game. Sean Payton did this. I get it and I disagree. I don't think Sean Payton straight up lost them the game. I think that the weather became a factor. I think that no one maybe should. Should he have had an eye out on the weather changing? Sure. No one knew that though. And. But here's the thing, though, James. Here's the thing. I say I don't mind the call, but take the points, take the points early in game. And this is not the, this has been the norm. Coaches not kicking and going forward on fourth down a lot more in these games. So like I said, didn't. Didn't love the play call.
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Diana
Yeah. So to take you inside the locker room, Chase, just talking to a couple of guys and just asking their opinion. Not a single one of them in that Broncos locker room disagreed with Sean being aggressive and going for it. I understand taking the points too. You have a backup quarterback, you're controlling the entire game. They had one first down, New England. At that point, you're seeing your quarterback actually play decent and you're seeing your defense really kind of smothering a New England offense in Drake May. And so the one thing that was different is kind of similar to you and was most of the guys I talked to said I would disagree with the play call. I wish we would have maybe ran something different. But obviously all of them said, in hindsight, you know, I'm saying this after we lost the game, but I think those are the two aspects I got from that. And then again, the weather, we never knew that was going to happen. And to take you guys into this a little bit, you know, Adam Troutman, Chase, I was talking to him at his locker. Has been with. Chase has been with Sean before. And he was like, if you were going to the south end zone and you were running a route, you couldn't see anything. He's like. Was like the wind and the snow. I'm looking. I couldn't tell what coverage they were in. I couldn't see any marker on the field about routes and things like that. He's like, it's just. You knew you weren't going to be able to throw the football. Now. I don't think anybody really knew that that was going to be the way the second half was going to go. And obviously that played a part. But I think Sean also, that showed, had a lot of confidence in his quarterback, in Jared Stidham. And nobody in that locker room, by the way, was blaming Stidy for the game. Obviously, the turnover was a big turning point, and it led to the only touchdown for New England. But we didn't really have a real football game in the second half, sadly. What would you like to see maybe Sean add or change to this team? Obviously, having your quarterback play in the AFC title game. Chase is probably one thing. He would change. As I saw leaving the stadium on a scooter. Yeah, I mean, that's probably the one. He was waiting for the elevator as the same elevator I was waiting on. He had one of those scooters with his foot up all in the cast. And he was just kind of just shaking his head, just going like, you know, he's probably thinking, man, because I did talk to players that were like, Bo would have used his legs in the second half. And that Bo Nicks fourth quarter magic could have possibly been there. We'll see. But what would you like to see happen? Maybe with this Broncos team, any aspect of this, of this group that you want to see. Sean, maybe focus on this offseason.
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Chase
I, I think getting J.K. dobbins back healthy would help. I mean, tremendously. I think RJ Harvey's going to be a. I think you're going to see a, A jump similar to Alvin Kamara jump. Not, not quite as much. But I do think second year in offense, they're going to use him a lot more out of the backfield. I think, I think he, he was. I hate to say the word misuse. I don't want to say misuse, but I think he can help in the past game a lot moving forward. Here's the thing, though, and James, you'll probably agree, you know this team a lot better. Better than I do. I think that they have to figure out that receiver room. I think they have to get a. I think Ingram's fine. I just didn't. I don't know if he'll be back and worked out. I think, I think you got to get a receiving tight end and I think you need to get a. A true number two. Like, like, I just, I feel like they need to beef it up. Maybe go spend in the free agent market for 10 million or something or draft another guy or. And I know he likes to. I just didn't know. I didn't think at times there was enough juice in that room.
- [29:29]
Diana
Yeah, I think that's a good point. And when I was talking to people throughout the early portion of the season, Chase, you're kind of right with the number two because it was an interesting approach. I was told, you know what the game is going to dictate probably who our number two is going to be week in and week out. Whether it's Mims, who's kind of a streaker, it's Pat Bryant, who we saw emerge as the rookie from, From Illinois. And he's kind of a bigger receiver. Or is it going to be Troy Franklin? Like, it was almost like they were kind of figuring out the two by the week, by the matchup. And you know what? Their number one in terms of Cortland Sutton is not overpaid. He's not an overpaid number one. You can go and spend some money like you mentioned on that receiver room a little bit. They're very young, but could you add somebody else to that group? And with the run game that you mentioned, I just want to say only the Steelers were below them in yards per game. All the Steelers only played one game against that Houston team, but they averaged 74 yards rushing in their two postseason games, not a single explosive run, not a single rushing touchdown. But you're right, Harvey had 12 on the year from between running and catching the football. So I think that's part of it. I do think being able to run the football is something they couldn't do in those conditions and they struggled with a little bit. The other part I wanted to mention to you, and you just been around the game so long, I wanted to get your take on this. Will Lutz admitted to us after the game that he thought on the final field goal that they had that was just tipped.
- [30:46]
Chase
Great reporting on that, by the way. You're the only person I saw talk about that, and that is so fascinating. But continue.
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Diana
Yeah, it's a. And I love that you said that, because it's a. And it's a compliment. Makes me feel good. But also I want you to tell everybody how important that is, that they essentially believe they lined up because they couldn't see the lines on the field with the conditions almost a yard closer than they would.
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Chase
Yeah.
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Diana
That means the trajectory of the ball that was just tipped is starting at a closer spot to the line of scrimmage and most likely is lower than when I mentioned this to a couple of players that let's had told us this. He was like, they were like, that's a really big deal.
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Chase
Oh, yeah.
- [31:24]
Diana
They were like, are you serious? And I was like, yeah. And they're like, that's a really big deal. Oh, it's a huge deal. Practice tries, chase, like, these are things that can't happen. Yeah.
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Chase
I was a holder for Sean for three years, so. So every single field goal should be eight yards back. And it's studied and it's talked about. It's did it all this stuff. So if you're even like seven and a half yards, I mean, if you look at the eight yards and you look at just kicks from a side angle, there's maybe this much space from the DB jump or, sorry, like a D lineman jumping and the ball getting over. So that obviously, I mean, you explained it perfectly. I don't need to go into any more detail, but when you're back a yard more, obviously the trajectory is really high. And a lot of times kickers really, they focus really on like height and then distance because you can't kick a line drive kick because these guys are so tall. They're so good at blocking kicks. You're not necessarily worried about the side rush a lot. You're worried about those big guys jumping and he got tipped and like Ultimately, people don't want to hear it, but it's on the holder. It's on the holder. And I've been in situations like that. And if I'm in a situation like that, I mean, I'm not saying the holder lost in the game, my goodness. But if I'm in that game, I am getting a towel or my shoe and I am going this whole time I am saying, where, okay, one, two. I am. You, you have to. And maybe they miss it by a half yard. But dude, that, that, that doesn't fall on the kicker. The kicker is worried about making his kick. Yeah, that falls on the holder, bro.
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Diana
Because I have looked, you know, when they're running out on the field in that condition, I was going to. How many guys am I going to see go to the area and be kicking snow and moving? You sometimes see other teammates be there with the holder trying to create space and trying to create a spot. And I didn't, I actually didn't really see that. It was really, I think just, just the holder and the kicker actually right there. It was interesting. Okay, onto the Rams side real quick before we get to Diana because we have so much news to get to with her. Anything you saw with the Rams going, man, like, because I do believe last year they thought if the conditions were different, they would have beat Philadelphia. If they had a run game a little bit better, they would have beat Philadelphia.
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Chase
It was a close game.
- [33:39]
Diana
I think in this one too, they're going to be going. If we would have beaten Seattle, we were going to win the Super Bowl. This is two years in a row now with this. What does, where does L. A go from here?
- [33:52]
Chase
I mean, if Matthew Stafford's back, I mean, they're going to be back to where they were last year. I mean, this coming year. I think they are a very good, borderline great team. I mean, and you saw this at stretches, right? And they sort of toward the end of the year took it and then they started rising again and it just, I mean, I don't know if you, you pro. Matthew Stafford's greatest season of all time. Like this, this Matthew Stafford season with an mvp, which he will win. He, he is a first ballot hall of Famer to me. Like, like, like he has, has a championship. Maybe not first. Okay, maybe that's a little crazy, but he's, he's a Hall of Famer. He is a Hall of Famer and I think he had 57, 5600 passing yards and 52 passing touchdowns this year. If you can Count regular season and playoffs.
- [34:37]
Diana
That's absurd.
- [34:39]
Chase
That's absurd. And so the way he goes, I think. And this is. People aren't going to love it. I think he got let down. I think he got let down by the Rams defense. I think he got let down time and time again by the special teams. And that's what it comes down to. Where the Rams fall short versus Seahawks. Defense and special teams. Defense and special teams. Kubiak had Shula's number day or play in and play out. Could never get on top of it. And then the special teams, bro. When you muff a punt again, in the biggest. I mean, this is not new. When you muff a punt, I mean, good luck. Good luck winning the game. I mean, the percent chances just go way up. I think he got let down. If. If I thought the. And I thought the Rams defense really, the last like four or five games just didn't play good at all. Like, it just, like, just didn't play good.
- [35:29]
Diana
Yeah, it's. It's.
- [35:31]
Chase
You can't do that.
- [35:32]
Diana
It's been a very interesting. Like, I look at those games against Carolina, right? Just like that defensive line that's very good. Was getting blown off the ball and just getting pushed down the field. And you're like, this is weird. This is the strength of this defensive unit that Carolina is just moving down the field in their run game. And I think you saw, and I think one move in particular, and this is my point. We'll go and get to Diana. Was when they traded for Roger McCreary at the deadline from. From Tennessee. It was. We know we have an issue on the back end of our defense. We know we have an issue at corner. Can we try to help that at the deadline here? We're really going to be banking on our defensive line getting home quickly. And hopefully those guys are not back there having to cover for a really long time. And that was one of the things when Les made that move, I go, he kind of knows it. Like, he knows that this is a spot for sure on our defense that we need to try to fix and we'll see what he can do in the off season. But the special teams part is just, you know, Michael Dixon needs a punt, like, for the ages. And what does he do for. For Seattle? Pins him down right there at the end of the game with like a minute, you know, I mean, so. And Rashid Saheed with their special teams in Seattle, that was just this. There's three phases, baby. I sound like a coach. There's all Three phases. All three phases.
- [36:40]
Daniel
All right.
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Diana
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Diana
All right, welcome back to Scoop City on a reaction Monday, but there's plenty of head coaching news to get to. That's why we bring in the goat. Diana Rossini, the athletic senior NFL insider Chase joins us now to give us everything we need to know. 100% correct about all of these openings that are left since we last had a show? Diana? We had Jesse Minter go to the Ravens. We had Mike McCarthy land with the Steelers. Those are done. But there are still openings. Bills, Cardinals, Browns, Raiders. What is the latest on some of these teams who are now kicking it into high gear? Because there's coaches they were looking at that they weren't allowed to talk to because of the conference championship games.
- [39:07]
Daniel
Yeah. Which is why this thing is moving at full speed. And if you, if you can't feel it, you should feel it. So Here we are on Monday morning. Let's start with the job that probably is the most coveted, and that's because you get the opportunity to coach Josh Allen. So the Buffalo Bills, their entire coaching search committee, they're down in Boca Raton. Owner Terry Pula has a place there. They're basically setting up shop there. It was really to actually get away from the storms on the east coast and have some access to as many people as they possibly could from Florida. Well, the person they want the most access to right now is actually Davis Webb, the Denver Broncos quarterback coach and passing coordinator who we saw in Sunday's game. They are zooming with him actually on Monday and having a conversation with him about the possibly coming to be the head coach there. Philip Rivers, who really was getting a lot of support from people in Buffalo, including quarterback Josh Allen, he decided to actually step out of the search. So he is no longer up for this. Head coaching candidates. I. I believe he doesn't think he's ready for this move right now, from what I understand. I think he. He. He wants to perhaps sit this out and wait for another opportunity. I'm not sure what other better opportunity you can get than coaching Josh Allen, but for him, from his perspective, this isn't the right situation for him.
- [40:25]
Diana
Okay, Daniel, let me ask you this with that, because I find it fascinating because it seemed like this was somewhat legitimate, that he is a real candidate for sure. Right. And then when you say not ready right now, I don't see him, though, going like, okay, I need another stop before I'm a head coach. Right? Like, I don't see him going like, oh, no, I need to be an OC or I need to coach in college or I need to do something to put me, myself in a better position. It just seems like it would just now happen later down the road and he'd still just keep coaching high school.
- [40:52]
Daniel
Is that essentially, I believe he still wants to be a coach. I don't know what that means in terms of what level. Right. Because he just had, I think, a pretty good shot here. From what I gather, the meeting went really well. It was never a joke. It wasn't cute. It wasn't a favor. Now, look, Chase, you know this better than anyone. The same agents represent Josh Allen that represent Philip Rivers, that represent Davis Webb. Right. So you always have a lot of conversations. Everyone's on one team. There's a lot of understanding connection there. You know, there was a thought I had somebody reach out to me in the league, not in Buffalo, and said, do you think that it could be possibly Philip Rivers as head coach with Davis Webb as the offensive coordinator. And it seemed that that kind of was making sense. I was getting bought into, I was buying into that a little bit more and then I found out late last night that, that Philip Rivers actually officially pulled out of the, of the coaching search. So look, you've got Brian Dable still on the table here. You've got Anthony Weaver, Anthony Lynn and Davis Webb. I think a lot of.
- [41:57]
Diana
Is Joe Brady still in the mix?
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Daniel
Joe Brady still is in the mix. Thank you for mentioning that. He is. There have been a combination of coaching setups that I think people are wondering about. Could you bring in Davis Webb as the head coach and perhaps connect him with Joe Brady as the oc? Because here's the, here's the thing guys. As you know, you cannot bring in a first time head coach without support. Every, every team that's going to hire a first time guy is probably more focused on locking up the Vic Fangios of the world. Let's just use that as an example. The Wade Phillips is of the world. Those, those old school type veterans who can help assist a young head coach. So I think that would be the case. Now that said, I do not get the sense that Brian Dable is going to go to Buffalo as the offensive coordinator is head coach or bust. He, I don't think he's in this business at this point in his life. He's still Fairly young. He's 50. He wants to, he wants to call the shots. I don't think he wants to be Josh Allen's OC again.
- [42:53]
Chase
So, so let me ask, let me ask you more about. I just think the whole, the whole thing is fascinating. Specifically Davis Webb and I know James, you have a bunch of stuff you can jump in as well about Davis. Here's my thing, right? I've sat in the room with him coaching the quarterbacks. I've been in meetings with him. Him extremely bright, extremely bright. But he's never called plays. And he was a quarterback coach last year. He's the past game coordinator, I believe, quarterback coach this year. He's never had a chance to call place. He's extremely young and like what is Buffalo seeing this in like leader of men style? If he did take the head coach or if, sorry, if he take, I mean he would obviously take it. If he got offered the head coaching job, would he call plays? Like what's the situation there in terms of like his thought process on a candidate who's never called plays?
- [43:49]
Diana
I'LL say this about Davis, and I think just being around him a lot is that he does chase and you've been around him. He checks a lot of the boxes. That of the leader of men and then of the football acumen, of the offensive mind. I think both of those are checked by Davis. The sense I get from people around the league, and this isn't just specifically Buffalo, it's that, yes, he's green and yes, he's young and he's 30, but I. We shouldn't pass on the opportunity because we're probably not going to get another opportunity at him. It was the same Sentiment with Sean McVay when he was coming out, as the way he was kind of described to me, going, like, yeah, this guy's really young and I think he's going to be great. He's may not be ready yet. And it's like, well, if that's the only thing holding you back, maybe you should just pull the trigger because you're not going to get another crack at him.
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Chase
What do you call plays?
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Diana
I don't. I. I don't know that I have heard that maybe he brings Cliff Kingsbury, who he played for at Texas Tech, with him wherever he goes as his offensive coordinator. Could that be potential? It goes with what Diana's saying is bringing other people with a lot of experience to the coordinator, and they also.
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Daniel
Like him for what he's done with Bo Nix. Right. And what he's done under his coaching, so. Which is why the Raiders are also interested, because they're going to have most likely a number one.
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Chase
What are the chances that Davis Webb gets a head coaching job this cycle? If you had to put it like a percentage. I'm not saying. I just want to get a feel.
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Daniel
Yeah.
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Chase
Like, is it above 70%?
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Daniel
I don't think so.
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Chase
Okay. So it's just. It's like, we'll see.
- [45:24]
Daniel
I think it's a. Still. We'll see. I think teams are working this out at this moment. I think there's difference in opinions in both buildings right now.
- [45:33]
Chase
Yeah.
- [45:33]
Daniel
About the direction they want to go in. And think about it. You. You fire Sean McDermott because you want to get better instantly. There is no waiting game. There's no patience in that building. Right. So sometimes that tends to lean towards a coach who's done it, who's been there, who's more familiar with it. And I know David knows Buffalo, and he's very good friends with Josh Allen. And look, Josh has a big say. You know, we talked.
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Chase
I was gonna Say, how much of a say will he have?
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Daniel
A big one.
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Diana
He seems like a lot.
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Daniel
Every single meeting, he is sitting there. I spoke to a few of the candidates, and they. They, like. It's not like he ever stepped out. He didn't just go, all right, I'm just. I'm Josh Allen. How are you? But here's what I'm looking for. And leave. It was as if he was an executive.
- [46:16]
Chase
When was the last time that's happened? I mean, like, I haven't heard of anything like that. I mean, that's not normal. I just want people to understand, like, to be in every single meeting, have a huge say. That's not normal.
- [46:30]
Daniel
No, you're right. I think it's normal to have a quarterback part of it. Like, I know in Baltimore, Lamar Jackson zoomed in with the candidates along with other teammates. He wasn't sitting in the room. He wasn't hanging out. He wasn't. You know what I mean? Like. Like watching the presentation. Because a lot of these. A lot of these candidates, they all have their own PowerPoints. I know one coach that has. He basically loads up on his iPad a presentation and buys six or seven iPads and hands them out. And so it's like a presentation in your lap. Some guys use the monitor, the screen, and they just basically do a whole.
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Chase
How about that? A PowerPoint presentation to make millions of dollars. If your PowerPoint present presentation is good enough, James, you will get a hate coaching job.
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Diana
I know. I just want to know if he keeps the iPads like he asked for all the. Back when he leaves.
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Daniel
I would love them for some. For some, you know, digital time in my house to entertain. So if anyone wants to volunteer those over here, please send them this way. Chase, if I told you that the Cleveland brands reach out to me and they want to ask you to be the head coach or at least interview. Tell me what you would wear. This has been a conversation I've had with some people in football this week. What would you wear to a head coach interview?
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Chase
Me in person. Oh, man. I'd wear a suit with no tie, sharp white dress shirt tucked in, collared, obviously, like a dress shirt.
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Diana
A heavy starch guy.
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Chase
One button. Yeah. Well, I'm light. Starts. Light starch, James. Light starch. One button undone, hair fixed nicely. And probably like some really shiny white shoes. Not, like dress shoes. That's too much.
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Daniel
Okay. All right.
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Chase
So, like, I'm here to party, but I'm serious. But I don't need a tie. But also, it's football, but Also. Yeah. Why. I mean, what would.
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Diana
What.
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Chase
What are most people. I feel like.
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Daniel
Well, it's. I've. I've had a. A mixed bag. I've had coaches wear coach outfits like. Like a collar, like a golf shirt.
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Chase
You can never be overdressed for a head coaching interview. Like. Like, no one will ever look at you.
- [48:35]
Daniel
I know.
- [48:35]
Chase
No one will ever look at you and say, you're overdressed. People will absolutely. And this. My dad is. My dad taught me. He's old school. No one will ever look at you and say. Or you're overdressed. But people will say, oh, my God, you're underdressed. What are you wearing?
- [48:47]
Daniel
But also think about. Think about what you're interviewing for. You're not interviewing for the head coach of the Browns to just call plays. You are the face of $1 billion organization, and the person hiring you is.
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Chase
A businessman so bad.
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Daniel
Right. You want to walk in that room.
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Chase
All these owners are old. Old school school.
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Daniel
They, like, dress up exactly like you need to show you're savvy, you're smart, and you're dressing almost for the job. That's. That's probably above your head anyway, right? In. In a way, I'm glad that that's what you guys think. And Josh. I mean, Josh. James. I'm. I'm assuming that you feel the same way.
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Diana
I kind of thought. I do feel that. I always, you know, Danny, know me well, James, my go to. I do own two tuxedos, but part of me was also thinking, like, what if you told me just showed up in, like, all Browns, like, gear with a whistle and was like, yeah, it's go time. I'm already the head coach. Let's go. I'm in uniform.
- [49:38]
Chase
You would automatically get fired.
- [49:40]
Diana
You're out. Yeah. We talk so much about this job and how unique it essence is with. With the way that they're so data driven and we're hearing essays and we're hearing, you know, filling out different forms and personality tests. Is. Is this search. They're separating themselves, but is it in a good way?
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Daniel
Cleveland is run by nerds, and that's a compliment.
- [50:07]
Diana
Yeah.
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Daniel
And that's. They are a data driven organization. Okay. And that's their choice. That's what the model is, and that's how they're conducting this search process. It's. This is why I don't think they're rushing. I don't believe that they're going to name one today. Look, of course they could. You have to always leave these windows Open. They're in Los Angeles right now and look, I think it's going to come down to whether or not they want to take a swing here and bring in a first time head coach and train and teach or go with a Jim Schwartz type.
- [50:43]
Diana
Who is that it?
- [50:45]
Daniel
Nate Shieldhouse and yeah, that's the sense I'm getting. It's one or the other. And here's the problem with it. I mean, depends on. Look, we could probably argue both sides of it.
- [50:55]
Chase
Right.
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Daniel
If you really believe that Nate is the guy, then you got to do it. If you think that this is going to be the young buck that's short.
- [51:01]
Chase
Stay on with Nate.
- [51:02]
Daniel
Great question. I've had that conversation with many people around football because I think that's the key. Like if they can keep him, then I'm pro. I feel better about that hire. I don't think that's a slam dunk. I do not think it's a slam dunk that Jim Schwartz stays in Cleveland. I think he's a professional and he's always been from all the years I've known him. Like, he's just like a very old school, by the book, classy guy. I can see, I could see him having a conversation with them going, look, I have time on my contract left but I would like to go somewhere else.
- [51:34]
Chase
I've had Philly for the year when in 16. Right. He was a D.C. yeah.
- [51:41]
Daniel
Yeah.
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Chase
I mean I like, I loved him but he is, I would agree with that like statement. He's like, he doesn't want to get passed over. Very old school. But also like would he get another D.C. job somewhere?
- [51:53]
Daniel
Yes. There are lots of coaches right now who are up for these other jobs that want Jim Schwartz as their dc.
- [52:00]
Chase
He's a great defensive mind.
- [52:02]
Daniel
He's a really great. So it's like this is going to be Andrew Berry's decision and Jimmy has them obviously and, and I'm not sure if they are willing to say actually we've got the guy here in the building. Right.
- [52:17]
Chase
Because I think the right pick is Shield House.
- [52:19]
Daniel
Oh, tell me why. It just makes me.
- [52:24]
Chase
Not at all. Yeah, I, I just, I, I like everything he stands for. The McVeigh. I just feel like if you're going to be data driven, you're going to have a first time head coach and you're going to have this situation around you and look, they have a lot of first round picks. The next couple traps. Right. You got to draft your quarterback of the future. I don't know if Shador Is that guy? I don't think he is. I think they're going to probably go in a different position, but I think guys tend to go more in the locker room of situation of younger X's and O styles coaches. Not that Jim Schwartz isn't right, but Schwartz is. I like Jim. I just would go offense here. Okay.
- [53:01]
Diana
I do understand. He obviously is that former. This is. This is Chase being biased on a former quarterback. Nate's a former quarterback. No, I'm joking. But he does command a room. If you talk to anybody, he has that ability and that presence to, even at a younger age, command of room. Speaking of quarterbacks and speaking of the offensive side of the ball, Diana, we have to get to the Eagles offensive coordinator search. It has been a fascinating one to watch thus far. I have the names in front of me and several of them have already landed other jobs or withdrawn. Where do we stand? I know Gerard Johnson and he was part of the search as well. This happens every year, but part of the search last year with the Philadelphia Eagles and also Frank Smith, the Dolphins offense coordinator. Where are we at in this search and what is the feel around the league about this opening right now?
- [53:48]
Daniel
Yeah, they're working hard in Philadelphia right now, casting a very, very, very, very wide net, trying to talk to as many people as often as they can. And there have been dozens and dozens of conversations with agents and with candidates. And lately it just seems that a lot of these candidates are declining to work for the Philadelphia Eagles for a lot of different reasons. Right. So Charlie Weiss decided to stay at lsu. They had a conversation. Arthur Smith had some light conversations. He decided to go to Ohio State.
- [54:22]
Diana
Let's go.
- [54:24]
Daniel
Brian Dabel is someone that they targeted immediately out of the gate. He has yet to make a decision. I still feel very good about saying that. If he does not get this head coaching job with the Buffalo Bills or even, perhaps even the Vegas Raiders, I could see him winding up taking the Tennessee Titans OC so let's count him out. Mike McDaniel now just landed as the Chargers offensive coordinator. Declan Doyle, who's with the Chicago Bears, he told the Philadelphia Eagles he's not interested. He's going to be staying with the Bears. Zach Robinson, of course, wound up in Tampa. So that leaves Matt Nagy, Mike Kafka, Jim Bob Cooter, Gerard Johnson and Frank Smith left. Frank Smith's never called plays before. I'm not really sure if that would work for Philadelphia at this point. I really think they're trying to find.
- [55:08]
Chase
That's a lot of names. Guys.
- [55:14]
Daniel
Text me. I had a player text me, like, what the f. Like, I don't get it. We won the super bowl last year, and I. I think there's a lot of layers to this. I think some of this is, you know, Kevin Patulo's house was egged. I think there's a layer of Phillies hurting Philly right now. I really, truly believe that. And they don't want to hear it, and it stinks to hear, but I think there's some concern. And I know the Eagle side to this is, well, if you're not tough enough to deal with that, we don't want you here anyways. All good. I get it. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, we're looking across the landscape here at the coaches, and Philly is just. I think they're just in a really hard spot right now, and I do think there's some concerns with this offense, and I'm not sure there's enough belief from these candidates that they can come in here and immediately win with the setup.
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Diana
Chase, thoughts? Is this quarterback related?
- [56:11]
Daniel
I know quarterback. I know what he's doing.
- [56:16]
Chase
Look, Philly fans, whatever they don't love, they don't like me because I've always been a little critical on Jalen and give him props when he plays well and give him props, you know, figured out when he doesn't. And the thing about this job is that there. There definitely comes with a lot of layers, like Diana said. And I was in the building in 2016, and it doesn't take a genius to go in that building as a player and realize, man, just stuff's just off. Like. Like, look at all the drama they've had the last two years. A.J. brown, multiple things, who's calling the plays, who's not. Now, they have had had two offensive coordinators go on to be head coaches, but they've also had two ocs that have been one and done and so in. And have you seen those other two one and dones get other OC jobs? No. And so there's a little bit of, hey, I don't know if I'm going to have full say in this offense, right? Is it Nick Sirianni's offense? A lot of those players and a lot of those guys are, you know, they think that they're a little bit more special than they are. How much of an input is Jalen Hurts gonna have in this offense? I think that is a big say. Like, oh, okay. When you watch Jalen Hurts, well, what does he actually do? Well, in terms of, like, do I have. Does my offense fit that? Right? Because there's a bunch of stuff that Jalen does well, but there's a bunch of stuff that Jalen lacks in, and that's just being honest and. And great. They. He's a winner, and that's awesome. But you need more physical traits in terms of, hey, how does he process? How does he do that? And look at Kellen Moore's offense, right? Like, Kellen Moore's offense was great for him. And look at some other offense. They were. They were. They were great for him as well. There's just a lot. And the thing that really just irks me is that Philadelphia Eagles fans, they don't want to hear it, and they're.
- [58:13]
Diana
Like, well, why would you do that? They just.
- [58:15]
Chase
They. All they see is roses in sunshine. And I'm telling you, when your house gets egged and you have to deal with Philly and you have to deal with everything and the blowback, and you're always constantly immediate, and there's always drama going on. There's all you don't want to deal with. You want to worry about football. And so, yes, there's a lot of really good things about it, but there's also a lot of things that are like, ah, and the proof is in the pudding. Look how many names you and Diana just said passed up like that. That's what's crazy to me. So obviously it's not that good.
- [58:48]
Diana
Did you say Philadelphia fans only see things through roses and sunshine?
- [58:54]
Chase
When it comes to Jalen, hurts.
- [58:56]
Diana
Oh, okay. Yeah, got it. I do think what there is a. There is a perception of this job Chase to where if it goes wrong, it is on you. It just happened to Kevin Petula, and obviously, there's a lot of different things that go on within an offense that makes it work, work or makes it fail. And in Philadelphia right now, there is the perception, I take this job, I will be the fall guy if things go bad.
- [59:16]
Chase
Oh, yeah.
- [59:17]
Diana
Seems to be where it's at with that job and everybody hired. It's a very.
- [59:23]
Daniel
Like, you guys know I'm obsessed with playing general manager, which is at this point, honestly.
- [59:30]
Chase
Yeah. And at this point. At this point, who do you hire? I think you have Nick, sir, anti completely take over the offense, and you hire an OC to help him. That's that. That's where they're at in this search process. Like, if Sirianni wants to do it, like, eventually he's gonna have to take it out. Him and Jalen got to get on the Same. That's what I would do.
- [59:48]
Diana
Interesting. Yeah. A couple names that are left. It's, it's. It. Matt Nagy was up for that Ohio State job, to my understanding, and they went with Arthur Smith and Maggie is more of a passing guy. I, I don't know. But you know, Zach Robinson to my understanding was like Baker Mayfield. Jalen hurts. I'm going Baker Mayfield. Like that was a big part of Zach's thought process.
- [60:06]
Chase
So what about Mike McDaniel?
- [60:08]
Daniel
We're learning.
- [60:09]
Chase
Daniel. Right. Like Justin Herbert.
- [60:12]
Diana
Yeah, yeah. And Mike and Diana, I think said it on the show. Right, Diana, that Mike was going to have a lot of say in that offense. Not everybody's probably granted the same amount.
- [60:20]
Daniel
They're not Brian Gabriel and Mike McDaniel, from what I understand, the only two candidates of this group that's going to be able. That was allowed to bring their own staff and be part of it.
- [60:29]
Chase
Everyone else, you're saying if he doesn't get a job, he's going to go Cam Ward and the Titans. You can't tell me that Cam Ward and the Titans have more offensive firepower than the Philadelphia fricking Eagles. That should tell you everything you should know. That should tell you everything you want to know.
- [60:44]
Daniel
I think the argument to be had there is if you're Brian Dable and you can construct your quarterback and mold him the way you want him, you.
- [60:53]
Chase
Get him at the ground level.
- [60:54]
Daniel
Do that with Cam Ward. You, you, you're not doing that with Jalen. Jalen is Jalen at this point. And, and they work together. He knows Jalen. He coached him at Alabama.
- [61:03]
Diana
Yeah. Coach for a year.
- [61:05]
Daniel
And let's see, guys. So stay tuned on. On the Eagles OC Search. It's definitely not the biggest story in football right now, but it's certainly something to watch because this is going to dictate a lot of things that happen this off season. As we know that they're trying to get back on track and they got to make a lot of decisions.
- [61:20]
Diana
Fascinating. Let's remember too though, this isn't all one sided. You're interviewing all of these guys. It's not like all of these people are coming in and they're turning down. There are different things that are at play within the interview process. Right. It's an interview for both sides to see if they're a match. It's kind of the way all of these things work. Oh, well. Okay. Awesome show.
- [61:39]
Chase
Love today.
- [61:39]
Diana
It was wonderful. We are now into super bowl mode, so keep track of us throughout the rest of the week and have everybody on here with the Rams.
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Chase
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Diana
Broncos still and then the Seahawks and then the Patriots and the two that we'll be playing. We'll see what's left with the Final Four. Maybe for some people inside the buildings later this week. We'll see. That's Scoop City. When you're a forward thinker, you don't just bring your A game, you bring your AI game. Workday is the AI platform that transforms the way you manage your people, money and agents so you can transform tomorrow workday, moving business forever forward.
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