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James Palmer
Oh, vibes were fire. That was tremendous storytelling. I was. I was. I got married to a Latina woman, so I was kind of too d. She was telling me everything.
Chase Daniel
She was telling me everything. Cheat code.
James Palmer
That's. I did have a cheat code in the house, cuz. She was like. She's like, get up and dance. I was like, what? She's like, that's what he's saying. I'm like, oh, okay. Welcome into Scoop City on a Monday. I'm James Palmer. Don't forget to like and subscribe because we've been all over it this entire season. Taking the inside all those facilities across the NFL. Chase Daniel breaking down everything that involves the quarterback position and more. And looking at the film here, Diana Rossini bringing everything. You can't. You can't not watch the NFL and not subscribe to Scoop City. Today we are going to go through everything that led to this Seahawks win in Super Bowl 60. What happened with the Patriots? What's next for New England? Can they get themselves back here? And maybe who's the most miserable fan base. Individual human being.
Chase Daniel
Chase.
James Palmer
That there is on the planet. A day after Super Bowl 60 where we saw the Seattle Seahawks beat the New England Patriots 29 to 13. And Chase, I want to throw this up here right now because we made predictions a week ago today, last Monday. Look at where we were. 2814 by JP CD does anybody call you CD yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Chase Daniel
Just my close friends.
James Palmer
Okay, well. Well, let me know If I'm in. CD goes 3121.
Chase Daniel
I'm.
James Palmer
I'm on the fringe. Maybe. We did a pretty good job with this.
Chase Daniel
You crushed it. I mean, I was decently, but you were like, I mean, come on, dude, let's go. It was right. And honestly, it was not even that close. Like we.
James Palmer
We.
Chase Daniel
14. It was like, man, it was a blowout. That's impressive, though, by you. It's like, you know, ball or something.
James Palmer
I appreciate him. Well, I spent a lot of time with cd so I know ball a little bit. Let's get into what we saw from these Seahawks. Like you mentioned, Chase, that it didn't seem like the game was obviously nearly that close. We'll get into a couple of plays that maybe Christian Gonzalez made that made this game even a little closer. Could have been an absolute blowout if he wasn't unbelievable. On the back end. Let's start up front. We knew this was one of the best interior pass rushes in in football. With what Seattle brings to the table, and you have all those big names in the middle of the defense, but what we saw from that defensive line kind of started what you were going to see for the course of the game, don't you think?
Chase Daniel
Yeah. I mean, look, here's something that we, we thought would happen early, but we didn't. At least I didn't think it happened this early, is that they were able to pressure Drake May from the start like it was. It was a complete mismatch. And look, everyone's dogging on and sort of talking about Will Campbell, but when you give up 13 or 14 pressures as a offensive lineman, one just completely overmatched, right? You got two left, you got a left guard, left tackle, which are rookies, right. And they were sort of the issue all postseason. I think Drake May was sacked 21 times in the postseason. It's the most ever or one of the most ever. Most ever.
James Palmer
Joe Burrow. Yep.
Chase Daniel
Yes. Which is crazy to me. And when you get hit that early as a quarterback, you try not to change your game, you try not to change the psyche of you, but it definitely wears on you. And I think the defensive line took over the game, but more importantly, I think Mike McDonald took over the game because not only was it just a four man rush every time, they brought pressure at a much higher rate early in the first half than they had because they wanted to get Drake May off the spot. They wanted to test that offensive line. And the offensive line failed miserably. Like, I think Josh McDaniels failed miserably too, because you look at what the protection plan was meaning, how did the New England Patriots design a protection plan to protect Drake May from that Seahawks, they were not ready for pressure at all. Meaning like off ball pressure. And there was no chips, there was no motion, there were no anything to help out a struggling left side. Like if I'm, If I'm Josh McDowells, I'm sending the center left every single time, I'm having a tight end there because, because you can't even get into a rhythm as a quarterback. And so when you get hit early in the mouth and you hit early and you like six straight, seven straight punts, it's just the confidence in you, it just, it just completely goes away. But getting hit by that D line, I mean that, that, that to me early sort of set the tone for the entire game. And honestly, the entire team of the Seahawks fed off that.
James Palmer
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. And it's interesting because what we saw is, and you mentioned it, you're going to try to get chips on the outside. We'll talk about Will Campbell, and we'll talk about that when we get to the Patriots. But when you look at what hall was bringing from the outside and what they were bringing from the outside, it's at the same time you're going, well, we have to, like, we have Leonard Williams inside here, guys. We got to give a little extra attention to what Seattle is bringing in on the interior. And then you mentioned what Mike McDonald was able to do, and I was looking at the numbers in front of me. They blitzed 14.5% of the time in the postseason chase heading into this Super Bowl. They were the fifth lowest team in terms of bringing extra pressure this entire season. And then what did they see? Okay, well, they got to give extra pressure to the inside. Will Campbell's out there. They're going to slide it in a certain direction. We're going to bring somebody from a different spot. And specifically, that was Witherspoon. A lot of the time, he has six. Six rushes, four pressures. He could have been mvp, honestly.
Chase Daniel
Yeah, I agree. Like, it was one of those things where the game plan was abundantly clear, like in. Especially from, you know, trained minds outside of in the game. So if I'm at home, right, or you look at Orlowski or anyone who knows the game of football, like, after the first or second series, you knew what type of game it would be. And it just, to me, like, for how much, how many flowers we give Josh McDaniels, it looks to me he didn't recognize that until the second half. He started going up tempo in the second half. He started doing stuff that they weren't doing the second. I thought it was a very, very, like, motionless type of game plan, and that's putting it like, it's the opposite of aggressive.
James Palmer
Go into that chase for a second. Because what I saw is we saw early on with what we were talking about and what we've described, and it almost seemed like Mike McDonald goes, well, if they're not going to change, we're going to keep doing it. And they just kept doing the same thing. It wasn't like they tried all these different things. They saw what worked, stuck with it. Why was New England, you think, so slow to. To kind of figure out and adjust or find a game plan to counter it?
Chase Daniel
And I think Collinsworth actually hit it Right on. I thought they called a really good game Chico and Collinsworth because Collinsworth said in the second quarter, I feel like New England's conceding. And I was like, boom. I completely agree with that. Some of those third and long, some of those like a third and one and you're not running it, you're throwing the ball down the field. I just thought the game plan for New England, I don't ever want to use the word lazy's not the right one, but I thought it was a little bit bland because they came into the game and honestly you sort of had to imagine to play like this was like, don't make any mistakes. A punt is completely fine. We have to get settled into the game. They continue to try to run the football, but all that thing and all that stuff happens eventually after like you go into the halftime, Honestly you're down 9 nothing. I'm thinking like, okay, that's a win. Like, like it has been extremely awful for Drake May and the offensive line. There was no, no offense whatsoever. But you're only down nine nothing. I'm thinking in the second half you're going to come out and you're going to start to be more aggressive. And the third quarter was more of the first and second quarter. They were trying to keep it close, but you can't win a football game unless you score. It was almost like they were depending on their defense to get a pick six, their defense to get a takeaway or their special teams to do something special and it just wasn't there. And they just waited way too long to finally throw the football down the field because when Drake May did, they had success with Matt Collins a couple of times on the dagger, the goalball, stuff like that. And they got it to like a 12 point game and it just, it just was really, really just like, ah, you have to be aggressive in the super bowl in my opinion.
James Palmer
Yeah, that's a really, really good point. Sticking with Seattle, what we saw From Kenneth Walker, 135 rushing yards. By the way, this man's a free agent. Pending free agent. Maybe the best thing that could have happened to him in this, that's where Chase wants him to go. Maybe the best thing that could have happened to him in his contract and whether that's with Seattle or with the Kansas City Chiefs, the Chase is mentioning is that Zach Charbonnet goes down. This was a two headed running back room and you were curious how the run game was going to go after Zach Charbonnet goes down with the acl. And going into this chase, I think you and I did have this conversation to where he's such a good runner and Seattle's so good in the run game and bouncing things outside. And the strength of this New England defense was the interior. It's Barrymore and it's William and it's Milton Williams in the middle there. But, but man, the patience, the ability to just kind of stand there and wait and look, he's an unorthodox back a little bit. He's not very technical. He goes by feel a lot. Right. The way he runs the football. What did you think about the way they leaned on Kenneth Walker for stretches when you saw that New England's number one thing was we're going to try to take Jackson, Smith and Jigba out of this game. But the run game played a part and that's something Kubiak, even if it wasn't successful for stretches, always stuck with this whole season.
Chase Daniel
I thought it was a genius game plan because you don't want to put too much on Sam Darnold from the start, really any quarterback, because it just. The super bowl is such a different game because you really don't feel like yourself. There's so much buildup and when you get onto the field, you're just sort of like, ah, you don't really, you're not really playing good football. You're just sort of out there just running plays. And it can get a little bit scary at times for quarterbacks. Don't make the big mistake. Don't do this. And you're, you're. Everything's like up tempo. Your, your blood's boiling. You're like all this stuff. But I, I thought that with 27 carries it was very clear what Clint Kubiak wanted to do. He wanted to establish the line of scrimmage. He wanted to have these long drives to tire out the Milton Williams and everyone else. And when you can have long drives like that and you can have Kenneth Walker running the football, that is really good. And there was a couple times they set up some, some play action passes. The touchdown was completely set up from the first play of the game, outside zone. And honestly, when I look at Kenneth Walker, who is the MVP, I see saw a little bit of Le'Veon Bell. Do you remember Le'Veon Bell, like back in his heyday? I'm not saying like he's not as fast, he's not as tall, he's probably not as shifty. But when I say that just the amount of patience that Kenneth Walker had. And I think that was like they run this play called duo and it's like double teams everywhere and it's just right down the middle. And then the back, it allows the back, he's not really tall, but allows the back to sort of view the second level. So the, the, the safeties and the, in the linebackers and he'd almost like hide and then bounce out. I mean, how many times was it outside zone or duo and then the bounce and that was just attacking the weakness, I guess you could say, of a really good New England Patriots defense. No one can just run right at you. That would never happen really against New England this year. And Kenneth Walker able to run the football so efficiently. I think that. And you look at what Sam Darnold did, I thought he played a lot better than a lot of people thought. Only one sack and, and made some timely throws, but it takes the pressure off the quarterback to where it's not just one dimensional and you have to win the game. Sam Donald.
James Palmer
Yeah. And the way that he, he runs the football you mentioned, just like the widest defender can't let Kenneth Walker get outside of them. And that continued to happen. It was funny. I've always had this conversation with Maurice Jones, Drew over the years when he tells me about the running backs. He's evaluating the number one thing he always brings up to be an NFL back. And obviously he did it at a very high level. He was like, stop, start, stop, start is everything to him. And you see Kenneth Walker just kind of get to that line, stop, gather himself, and one step and he's gone in the spot that he picks. So with the way that they ran the football and the way that they had some of these tighter formations. Right. The way they did it, Chase, and they've done it all season long to where Clint Kubiak was setting that up. You mentioned and hinted on it earlier, like it explained a little bit further what you saw with some of those formations early on and then how they were able to strike after the turnover and get the touchdown.
Chase Daniel
Yeah, I mean, the first play of the game, if you, if you watch and everyone watch. You go back though, and look at it, it's just outside zone, which means the, the running back is running to a tight end. There's two tight ends on the left side of the formation. It's really a three by one formation. So three guys on the left side, they're just running there and they're saying, hey, bodies on parade. Everyone just go. The landmark for the running back is the tight end. So it's outside. You want to get the ball outside. He was able to bounce it. But when I look back and I went back and watched the touchdown, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Right? This is. This is very similar because on the very first play of the game where they run outside zone, the Patriots are in too high safety. Look, they roll down and the flat defender to the side of the run really just gets so down far into the line, like. Like lower and closer than linebacker level. And so there's just one guy back who has to cover a whole third of the field. And. And they did it another time on the first drive. They motioned to three by one, this time with Cooper cup out of 11 personnel. And the Patriots did the exact same coverage. The flat defender, who's the widest outside guy, who's not allowed to have anyone go outside of him, they ran outside zone only for 3 yards, but you could tell it was like, all right, this is going to be open. And now on the touchdown run, they bring Barner in motion. They insert him inside the tight end, and once again, huge heavy play action fake right at that safety, that flat defender I was talking about. And they have a post outside to clear out the corner. And then they run a corner route, and it's just wide open. It's like you're setting the tone. You know, you probably need a touchdown pass or two to win the game. The way your defense is playing, you're probably going to run in one end, all this sort of things. But to have it set up from the first play of the game, like, that's elite play calling, sequencing, because I'm sure there were other times they had it. But he called it at the exact same time, at the exact same spot on the field in the red zone, which the second run they did, and they were testing him. It was just like that. You don't. You. You rarely see outside zone play action. A lot of the times it's inside to keep the quarterback inside the pocket. But Donald called it, ran it perfectly, and it couldn't have been a better play call.
James Palmer
Unbelievable. I love it. You mentioned Darling arena perfectly. As we're winding up a couple of our last topics here on the Seahawks, everybody wanted to know if Sam could go out there, chase and win the big game, right. And win under pressure. We saw what happened in the postseason last year against the Rams, and everybody was curious, hey, another great regular season. Can he do it? We saw it in the overtime game. We saw it in the postseason from Sam at stretches, Obviously, this is a very complete team, so he didn't have to put the team on his shoulders some of these games. But I'm looking at it from the reverse side that I feel like nobody's talking about. Everybody wanted to have Sam Darnold either prove this to them or not. How about Sam Darnold to himself? What does this do for Sam in 2026 now that he's done it? Do you think we see a different player now that he's proved it to himself? I don't think he cared about everybody outside. But what does it change for Sam Darnold, you think, heading into next season, in the rest of his career?
Chase Daniel
I don't want him to change as a player because I think what he's done the past few years has been exceptional. I think that the organizations, right. When Minnesota gave him a chance, they believed in him. They gave him the starting job. He went out there, he beat J.J. mcCarthy out, and he won 14 games. Now, two games that they played. Everyone wants to talk about, right? He learned from that. Then you get with Clint Kubiak and you get with an offense that you don't have to be the star. Like, you don't have to be the Pro Football hall of Fame quarterback, like, you know, Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Mahomes when the game's on the lot, like, it's a full team atmosphere, like, and everyone's working together. They have the two highest paid special teams guys in the league. A punt's not bad. Dixon, how good was he last night? Jason Myers should have. Jason Myers should have been the MVP of Super bowl, in my opinion, like, you score 16 points and. And you're not like five field goals, right? I know. It's crazy. That Tweet got like 1.3 million views. So. I do think people wanted the. The Super Bowl MVP to be a.
James Palmer
Kicker, by the way, do you think, like, it's because none of the kicks were, like, high pressure, super far. You know what I mean?
Chase Daniel
Those are the two things.
James Palmer
Everybody's like, yeah, okay, yeah.
Chase Daniel
But if. If they don't. If they don't score a touchdown or Ken walker is under 100 yards, I think he does.
James Palmer
But anyway.
Chase Daniel
And then the defense plays like it is. I. I just think this is the perfect team, the perfect situation for Sam Darnold because he doesn't have to do too much now. He was. He was great throughout the season, Right. He started off a little bit, you know, up and down, a lot of Turnovers, right? Like 20 turnovers this season, but the last four games, when they matter the most, zero turnovers. And so I think for him, it's like, I don't have to go out there and push the football down the field at all times. I don't have to make every single play, lean on the run game, make the throws when the throws are needed. And that's how the type of player you're going to be in your career. I don't think he's ever going to need to take over football games at all times to win Super Bowl. That's just not how it's built. And that's not a slight on him because I think that he's. He's played really well the last two years. He showed and proved himself right. You saw him talk about his family. He's proved his family right. How his dad believed in him, how dad worked long hours, has that, like, just such a cool story to see. But at the same time, man, like, he's. He's in his prime. Like, quarterbacks are in their primes in their 30s. Like, he. He could potentially play for six, seven more years at a really high level with people around him. And look at. Let's just go back and. And think about the guys that Seattle traded away. We're not. When Sam Darrell signed, Tyler Lockett's not there. DK Metcalf's not there. You're like Jackson Smith, who, like, no one thought he was O.P. o. Yeah, yeah, right. No one. No one. No one thought that. Last year, everyone's like, oh, he's a good, really good rookie. But then he said, so think about that standpoint and that dynamic. You're trading with your two best receivers, then you get J.S. so I think he's in a perfect spot at the right time.
James Palmer
Yeah, I agree. What I meant a little bit into that is I wonder how he carries himself. I've done it at the biggest stage. I think it's only going to snowball better. I don't think. You don't try to do too much, but there is that. That voice in the back of your.
Chase Daniel
Head is probably confidence for sure.
James Palmer
You gain that confidence aspect of it. And you mentioned how this team has been put together, and I think we couldn't have this conversation. And on a different episode, we had Michael Shawn Dugar on here, who covers the Seahawks just brilliantly better than anybody else out there. And I asked him who, you know deserves the most credit for this super bowl run that the Seahawks have been on, and we both agreed that it's probably John Schneider, who has put all of this together, right? He's brought in Mike McDonald, he's done everything else. But the trade, to me, when they knew it was time for Russell Wilson is the thing we should always be going back and looking at. And I remember talking to people in Seattle. I was at that first game, if you remember, it was Broncos at Seahawks to open the season the next year after the trade and talking to people in Seattle, they're like, I don't know. We just kind of feel like he's peaked. And I think it was time. They didn't expect what has happened with Ross, which has honestly become a journeyman quarterback since he departed there. But they went and got Charles Cross, Devon Witherspoon, Boy Mafe, Derek hall, all out of the picks that they received with this trade. John Schneider. Your thoughts Chase on, on team building because I think you and I did agree most of the season this was the best and most complete football team in the, in the NFL.
Chase Daniel
It is so hard to do what you did with Russell Wilson and the Legion of Boom and to have that team be its own team and then have couple years off and then get back and win it. Like I, I, I just, I, I don't, it just doesn't happen very often. Like two iterations of a Super bowl champion team under the same GM and it's just that foresight and it's, it's him constantly looking forward. I think that's what people don't do. But some of the greats also do. Like the Chiefs are constantly looking forward. I feel like other teams that are always in like the Patriots are always, they're not just running it back with the same old crew because eventually like you look at the Russell Wilson Stu, like blown away at that at some point. And then you look at like even DK Metcalf, they're trading him away because they won't pay him 35 million. Tyler Lockett still had some stuff, but the way he's able to draft, I think that's the biggest thing I see is that they're building the team the right way. He's an extremely amazing drafter of talent. Right. It's always, it's not necessarily the, the popular pick or, or this like oh my gosh, look at all these measurables. It's how they fit into a program. And what's really cool about this and it's so, so far from the norm is that John Schneider is able to do it with two defensive winning head coaches. Like two defensive coaches that doesn't happen like that doesn't happen in today's day and age. But you're able to get enough offensively and you build through the defense and run game and then you plug and play these quarters. Obviously Russell Wilson was Russell Wilson. Right. Probably hall of Famer, you know of that standard. But when you're able to go out there and you do it with Sam Darnold and you do with that offensive line play and you do it with the defense and, and you're building it the right way, it's almost like this old school mentality and it's, it's, it's really done well for him.
James Palmer
Yeah, you mentioned the Chiefs and everybody was going, do you move on from Tyreek Hill? He's still outstanding and he still was for, for some time in Miami. But sometimes picking your time when to move. Those picks were very valuable for Brett Veach when they ended up making that trade with Tyreek Hill and you saw what ended up happening with John Schneider. I think there's a really good piece on the Athletic by Mike Sando who's been on the show a bunch about Howie Roseman and John Schneider. That forward thinking mentality, both of those guys in the way that they operate in terms of running their organizations. All right, coming up next on Scoop City, we're going to break down the New England Patriots. Now what's next for Mike Vrabel, the coach of the year in the NFL by the way, and his group? What do they have to do to get back to the Super Bowl?
Chase Daniel
Impossible.
James Palmer
Possibly win it. Chase and I'll discuss that next on Scoops here.
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Chase Daniel
Well, we talked about a little bit in the A block. We talked about protection. I thought the protection plan was, was poor. And it just, it was a lot of different situations unfolding in the game that Josh McDaniels in my opinion didn't go out there and have a like a second punch back, right? Seattle threw the first punch and if you're New England, you got to have answers to those punches and there was just none all game long. Finally got into like up tempo, you're rolling when you're down Multiple touchdowns and scores. And they started moving the football. Drake May, I mean if you look at Drake May's numbers, if you just weren't like watching the game, 295 yards, two touchdowns, two big. Ah, not bad. No, it was really bad. It was really bad. And I think the, the one thing offensively that they could have done, and we were talking about it before the show, is like, you got to come out in the second half when you're down nine, nothing. You got to be aggressive and you have to run the football. There's no moving the pocket, there's no play action pass. There's none of this stuff that really the Patriots did a good job at all year long because when you're a team like the Seahawks, you just sort of sit back and you're just sort of wait and you're in your such good pursuit angles, you have to sort of be able to trick them. And I'm watching, I'm like, okay, they're just running the same exact place. Almost like, you know, how, how, how much less aggressive can I be than what I normally would be? And you know, being with Sean Payton in the super bowl, you know, you start off a little bit, right? You have to grow aggressive as the game goes on because you have to score points. That's the name of the game, score more points than them. And, and I just don't think that they did that. And probably the number one thing that I was a little surprised about was the lack of Drake Mays legs, like the use of it, right? Like the entire season he's been really good, especially the postseason of moving in the pocket and taking off to run. And that just tells me one, he wasn't seeing it. Two, there weren't really holes. But three, I think he was hurt more than a lot of people probably realized. Like obviously he came out and said I got painkilling injections in my right shoulder. And I mean he got vitamin T, man, he got that Tortol, that good stuff. And he was even saying he couldn't feel his like arm. And so when I look at the game and I looked at it again this morning, right, all the passes and it seemed like he was hesitant to, to pull the trigger. It seemed like some of these deeper throws were floating a little bit more. It seemed like, and I'm not making excuses, right, he didn't play well. But when I look at it and you actually break it down on what happened, it's stuff like that and it just, it's, it's, it's unfortunate because the little inaccuracies and there was like four or five passes that I'm like, whoa. Like this, this shouldn't. This should be pretty easy for a guy like Drake May, who I think is going to be a superstar in league someday, is a bright future ahead of him. I think they're going to get back the way they're built. But when you see these small little misses in wide open pocket, there's four or five, I'm like, ah, you know, and I'm like, okay, maybe it is something with the shoulder that. That is injured and it just, it just. It wasn't good, man.
James Palmer
Yeah. 72% completion percentage led the NFL during the regular season. And then you were telling me earlier just kind of like some of these inaccuracies. You know, I was curious what it's like from a quarterback's perspective of getting shot up in that throwing shoulder. What I was kind of told asking around leading into the super bowl was it wouldn't be as much on the deep ball, but some of these tight windows. Amanda Seattle make you throw into some tight windows. When he really has to muscle it in there. That's where you could see a little bit of a difference in terms of the arm, maybe a little bit of an inaccuracy, a little bit of an issue. And I think you did kind of see some of that. You touched on the legs of Drake May. I know that's a personal issue for you, Chase, but listen, I talked to some people there in mid season, 3/4 of the way through the year, and it was just like, hey man, we're stealing 50, 60 yards a game.
Chase Daniel
Yeah.
James Palmer
With the way Drake can use his legs and we're really banking off of that. And then Drake started to grow with it going, especially against teams that run a lot of zone. Chase was, I can get guys to start putting their eyes on me a little bit and then I can take that shot. It didn't seem like any of that was really coming together in terms of using his legs. And part of that, I think is the protection up front. And I wanted to ask you this just point blank. After giving up 12 pressures, four incompletions directly more or less because of him, two interceptions and two sacks. Will will Campbell be the left tackle for the New England Patriots next season? Or do you see him sliding into potentially playing the guard position?
Chase Daniel
Yeah, I mean, look, based on the season he's had, and this was a story of really the year for the Patriots, they got away with it, but he was in my opinion, when he was drafted, he was a guard. Like, he was a guard, but the left tackle, I mean, everyone knows this is the most important position on the field for a right handed quarterback. Like, you, like, you got to be able to be comfortable being on an island because you can't chip and you can't help every single play because it ruins routes, it ruins checkdowns in the middle of the field. It ruins all this type of stuff. It's a numbers game. And so when you do that, you got to really think hard about possibly moving them in. I mean, I had experience with this in 2013. I was with the Chiefs or maybe it's 2013, one of these years. We drafted Eric Fisher number one overall. I think it was 13. Yeah, I'm like, it's so many years, right? I think it was 2013. Andy Reid's first draft pick was Eric Fisher. I think. I think that's right. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's 14. Anyway, Eric Fisher started every single game as a, I believe, tackle, right tackle or left tackle, I don't remember which one. But it was one of those things that was almost worse than Will Campbell. Like, this year you look at the whole year and yes, 2013, you look at the whole year and you look at him starting and we're like, everyone on the offense is like, why are we not helping this? How is this guy the number one pick? Oh, my gosh. Like, what's happened? Like, it was worse than Will Campbell his first year. But when you go through a whole off season, you get stronger. Your rookie year so long, you get a little bit of time off to walk away from the game. He came back with this mentality like, all right, I've learned I need to get better. Don't move me. This is my spot. And he went into left tackle and he played like the number one overall pick. Like, almost give up, no sacks the 2014 year. So it depends on how he handles that. Right? Because obviously he's drafted really high. He has all the stuff that he needs to be successful. But I, I would liken it to like an Eric Fisher situation. Like, he. I would love for him to stay there. He doesn't look comfortable, though. And I think the, the biggest thing too, that I see is, is he's got good mechanics for the most part, but the bull rush on him is he struggles to sort of sit in there and, and handle a bull rush right at you. And that's what causes these. This push on the pocket. You can have push on the side you just can't push right back into the quarterback's lap.
James Palmer
Yeah, that's a huge part of it. And you know what, And I love that you mentioned the developmental aspect of it, and maybe it's a bit harsh of me to say, does he have to slide into guard right away? I know that's going to be an evaluation that goes on with Josh McDaniels and Mike Brable, and rightfully so, with the way the season went. But also when you have a rookie guard next to you. I remember talking to a number of offensive linemen who have gone, well, my rookie season, I had a veteran right next to me. Whether it's a guard talking about the tackle who was next to him or it's a tackle Chase talking about the guard who was next to him going, do you know what that did for me in just the little stuff that they did during the week, the little stuff before the snap in terms of. And all this stuff to help me out. That's a rookie next to a rookie. That's tough. That gets into kind of. My next question, which is essentially the youth of this, of this New England Patriots team. They have plenty of money to spend this offseason. This past offseason, they essentially had to pay that suck tax, as I always call it when you're trying to revamp your team and you maybe have to overpay. For some guys, that shouldn't be the case.
Chase Daniel
No doubt, with the coach of the.
James Palmer
Year and a potential MVP on a rookie contract at the quarterback spot. Where would you like to see New England go to make sure that the momentum that they gained in the 2025 season continues to happen in 2026?
Chase Daniel
I think defensively they surprise some people. I think obviously there's. There's some things that they need to get better at on the defensive side of the ball, but where they need to start is offensive line. And then I think that get, get a. Get a starter in free agency that can just like plug and play, right? You gotta, you gotta address that at some point.
James Palmer
This is not a youth, youthful individual, as I mentioned.
Chase Daniel
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And I think the biggest thing, what I see is, is receiver. Like, like, I like Pop Douglas. I like Booty. You know, where was Diggs last night?
James Palmer
Right?
Chase Daniel
Like, like, you sign him and he, he had three or four catches, but a lot of them were in garbage time. He should be the number one. They just don't have a number one target. And I've been saying it all year long, like, what Drake may the Reason why I was even entertaining Drake May as mvp. Obviously I don't have a vote. Was that what he was able to do? And the numbers he was able to put up with that receiving cast compared to what Matthew Stafford has in Puka Nakua and Devonte Adams, like, it was exceptional. I'd love to see them at another piece. I'm not trying to say that you need to spend $30 million on a receiver, but go out there and get a veteran guy who can be a number one, like when you need it. They just don't have that. Like you're throwing prayers to Matt Collins. Love Matt Collins. But like, he. You know what I mean? Like, they got to get a guy.
James Palmer
Does it have to be the right guy? Because I also was having a conversation with somebody in league about this the other day because everybody's going, well, you know who New England needs? This is the buzz around the league. They need A.J. brown. They need to trade for A.J. brown. I don't know if that's the right guy because I do like the way, and I love this from a quarterback's perspective, Chase, I do like that the ball doesn't have to go anywhere with the way Josh runs this. But I think you're right. Improving the group as a whole, maybe that's an athletic pass catching tight end as a weapon. Maybe that's, you know, I mean, but do you think that that type of player, I use AJ as an example because that's somebody that almost demands targets, whether, you know, it's vocal or not. Is that the right type of player or is it just upgrading the group? Because I do like the way they're built too.
Chase Daniel
Yeah, I think it's upgrading the group, but at the same time, right. We've talked about this with Josh Allen for a long time. There's nobody when they're playing press man to man, and Josh Allen's like, I'm gonna throw that guy. There's not a guy like that. You look at this Drake, maybe where's. Where am I? He doesn't know. And that's good. I think good offenses are like that. It's based on pure progression. So you don't just want to lock in on one guy. But I'm telling you, like, look, the, the few games I played when I needed to play on third down and I looked at every single weapon offensively, forget about where my coach is telling me to go. Like Allen Robinson in his prime, one on one, I'm going to him. Like, I don't care what the coverage is he's double covered. I can make a good throw. I trust him and boy like him and tree comb when I was playing with the Bear, I'm like, I told him, I'm like, look bro, I don't care what route you're running, I'm throwing it to you and like go win.
James Palmer
And.
Chase Daniel
And that's just the mindset that these quarterbacks have sometimes is like, who do I trust? Who do I trust the most when the game's on the line? I don't think they have anyone like that. Like when I need three or four catches in a row, they don't have a guy like that.
James Palmer
Yeah, I think he really. If you, if you put truth serum in the veins of, of Drake May, he might say it's. It's Keisha. Booty is the guy he trusts.
Chase Daniel
But I was gonna say Booty deep deep down the field for sure.
James Palmer
Down the field of Booty is probably where the, the most trust with. With, with the pass catcher that he has. Yeah, that's. It's gonna be interesting to see how they kind of try to build this around him because we, we saw what Drake May was able to do. I'm looking now at the rest of the conference chase and I was just sitting here going, okay, to get back to the Super Bowl. In the afc, I'm looking at the Ravens, the Chargers, the Chiefs, the Steelers and the Bills all have either a new head coach or a new offensive coordinator. A lot of new with these teams. The cheat. The New England Patriots actually have the continuity now heading into this year. And then the other group is obviously where the Texans at, where the Broncos at, where the Jaguars at and where Cincinnati at with Joe Burrow. There's a lot of teams I mentioned there. Where do you think New England stacks up? I just find it interesting these teams with absolutely dominant quarterbacks like I mentioned in that first group do have some new to them, even though Eric Bien me is returning in a sense.
Chase Daniel
I mean you just look at the quarterbacks in the AFC and what they could be. Forget about new head coach. Forget about that. Right? I look at Josh Allen, I look at Lamar Jackson, I look at Patrick Mahomes, I look at all these other guys, right? I'm Joe Burrow even like there's always Herbert Herby, like with, with Mike McDaniel. Like, are you kidding me? Like it's going to be. Look, it's going to be really, really difficult to get back in the situation they were in again. Because to be completely honest with you, look at how many of these really great top three or four quarterbacks in the entire league. How many of them missed the playoffs? A lot. And that ain't gonna that that's an ever. That ain't gonna happen again. So the road's gonna be tougher.
James Palmer
Yeah, it really is. One quick note, I'll say this. I think Travion Henderson talking to a couple people in year two might be a guy similar to Will Campbell going, yeah, very, very much so. Might be a guy similar to Will kill him going all right. Now I learned the NFL a lot to learn in the past protection game that Josh Allen runs. It's very different than the way it was at Ohio State for him. Maybe he has some traits to be a weapon for Drake. May as well. Oh, I think so as they yeah. As they try to kind of figure out a little bit more offensive firepower around their young quarterback. All right, coming up next, got an interesting question for Chase. You don't want to miss this on Scoop City. Next foreign.
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James Palmer
All right, finishing things up here on Scoop City on a Monday after Super Bowl 60. James Palmer, Chase Daniel with you. Chase. Oh, I have to ask you this because we haven't talked about it. I saw your tweet during the game or right after halftime. It was. That halftime show was something. Thoughts on the halftime show? First one we've had without English.
Chase Daniel
Yeah, it was interesting. I mean, the tweet was the tweet, and I think if I could have understood Spanish, then I would have liked it even more. I thought the vibes were good, though.
James Palmer
Oh, vibes were fire. Yeah. Tremendous storytelling. I was. I mean, I'm married to a Latina woman, so I was kind of too. Dude, she was telling me everything.
Chase Daniel
She was telling me.
James Palmer
I did have a cheat code in the house because she was like. She's like, get up and dance. I was like, what? She's like, that's what he's saying. I'm like, oh, okay. She's translating everything for me.
Chase Daniel
People thought that I was, like, being, like, cryptic, and I was like, no, it's just like it was something meaning. Like, it was a lot going on, and it was a storytelling without words. And, I mean, it definitely told the story, but it's like, it was hard. Hard to understand. Yeah.
James Palmer
I saw Pedro Pascal out there, and I was like, let's go, Jessica Allen out there.
Chase Daniel
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I liked Ricky Martin. Like. Like, get older. I. I know it looks like he's.
James Palmer
Reverse aging Ricky Martin. Benjamin Buttons right there. Okay, let me ask you this, seriously. Who. Who is the most miserable today? I kind of sold this off of Dan Patrick a little bit, but I. I have to say, it's a great question. That's a great question. I changed up a little bit. Is it Patriots fans? Is it Sean Payton, Bo Nix, and the Broncos? Because, man, that. I keep thinking about that injury right there. And just Vikings fans, because, man, they're in a difficult spot right now. You just fire your general manager this late, you have a Super bowl caliber roster and a maybe super bowl caliber head coach in a lot of people's minds, or Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford going, man, we were the really the only team that found a way to beat this defense.
Chase Daniel
Great question. I could make arguments for all of them. I think the Rams, that they played in the super bowl, right? That was the super bowl in the NFC Championship game. I thought those were the two best teams.
James Palmer
This seems like two years in a row, right? For the Rams, where last year they thought if they got to the super bowl, they'd win. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chase Daniel
But honestly, it, it's got to be the Minnesota Vikings. And it has to be the Minnesota Vikings because. A couple of reasons. Number one, Sam Darnold is no longer playing for you. And he won 14 games. And because he laid an egg in two of those 4, 17, 18 games, you decided to get rid of them and you didn't want to pay him what he was worth. You lost Daniel Jones and you decided to go with an unproven second year quarterback that hadn't played a lot at all. And you ruined a year with a really, really good roster, a quarterback whisperer and one of the best receivers in football. Like I think. And you got your GM fired. Like, think about all that.
James Palmer
That's right. And you're looking at like now that I think about it. Yeah.
Chase Daniel
You know what I mean? Like, like what could have been. And just the ramifications, right, of letting a guy who you could have paid about 30 million a year, not even that much, and Sam Darnold walk out of your building because your GM's fired, your head coach is now what do we do? You're bringing in a veteran quarterback because you decided now. Or at least according to some reports, at least because you decided, well, Maybe, you know, J.J. mcCarthy isn't the guy. All you're so, so the. One of the better rosters in the FC doesn't have a starting quarterback, doesn't have a gm. And you're in because of that. And so it's just like, man, right, like we were. And we, we talked about it and we got, we got so much crap for it. And really Diana and me, we were on it before you even joined the show. It was like, it was like, what? Like what are we doing? And we were like, they gotta bring in a veteran. They gotta bring up. You're trusting your entire franchise to a guy who hadn't played any football. Like got hurt coming off injury, a little bit of off field issue. Like all this stuff and it just completely backfired in your face.
James Palmer
Yeah. Because a completely different situation the Vikings were in than all the other teams that pick quarterbacks near the top. Like Washington was in a different situation. New England, Denver, Chicago, all of them are like, no, we're going to start building around this guy. Yeah, you're right. Minnesota's in a different spot. I have to ask you because you know Sean so well. Bonix doesn't get hurt. Bo Nix plays in that AFC title game. And being in that locker room Chase, I had a number of guys going nothing against city, but if we have Bowe in those conditions, probably using his legs in the fourth quarter, a good way to help us probably get to the Super Bowl. Do you think which they have a pretty good offensive line there in Denver. Do you think they would have fared better than New England in the Super Bowl?
Chase Daniel
Here's what I think. I think that with Bo Nix, they win that game, they get to the Super Bowl. I do not think they win the Super Bowl. I don't think anyone beat Seattle. I just think the complete team of Seattle, everything with it would have loved to see the Sean Payton offensive guru guy come out. But I just you look at the receivers that Denver had just not, not amazing.
James Palmer
Comparable group to New England.
Chase Daniel
Yeah. And so I just, I just, I think they get there. I don't think they win. I don't think. I just don't think so. Okay.
James Palmer
I had to ask. I think that's there's a lot of people in Denver that were thinking we clearly do get to the Super Bowl. But I'm curious what they thinking now after watching the super bowl going Seattle team's got a touch of everything, man. They got a little touch of so good. Everything. You know what? I bet you they wish bet you they wish I had a Kenneth Walker for the postseason because Denver running the football now we're everybody now everybody in the AFC west is fighting over Kenneth Walker. Yeah, exactly. Chiefs, Broncos, Broncos, whatever it is. Okay, Chase, before you go, anything you you got your eye on this off season, maybe anything you you're now, hey, Super Bowls 2025 is now over. We're into 2026. Anything that you're going, all right, I'm going to start watching or. Or what.
Chase Daniel
Yeah, I know you're going to be.
James Palmer
Big on the draft, by the way.
Chase Daniel
Yeah, draft. We're going, we're going crazy over here. Scoop city over personal all this stuff. We're going crazy on the draft. But I think the just the quick two things you asked me, I was like, oh, I have none. Now I have two. How do you how do the Buffalo Bills fare with a new head coach, a youth movement head coach, an offensive minded head coach who has so many other things to focus on other than offensive play calling, obviously. Bring in Pete Carmichael, Jim Leonard, both Broncos guys going over there. How does that youth movement last or how does, how do they handle that? Do they do. I just think the Bills can be really, really good. Obviously when you have Josh Allen, you can be really good. But I, that's something in my mind. I'm like, okay. And then the other one is like which our producer Mac sort of pointed out like the quarterback carousel.
James Palmer
Right.
Chase Daniel
You got, you got Kyler Murray not going to be back. I couldn't imagine. You got two up. Definitely not going to be back. You got Kirk Cousins. Does he go back to Minnesota? You got Deshaun Watson. He's healthy. Does he actually. Can he. Can he play a little bit more? You know, Mac Jones I think stays put. I think they pay enough for Mac Jones to stay put. The one that I really, really like and I'm, I'm, I can't wait to break them down in full is Malik Willis. I think Malik Willis is going to get a $50 million deal. I think it's a two year 50 to like, you know, something around those. I, I do think with incentives, you know, who pulls the trigger on him I think is going to be fascinating. He's going to be the first guy off the board in the free agency market. He's earned it. And then I think, you know, this is. I hate talking about it but like Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, I think that is a lock. It's going to happen just a matter of when. I don't think it's going to be the last year where Rogers talked, but there's so many different movement aspects of the quarterback carousel that this whole league's built off of. You know, everyone's talk quarterback. There's a lot to talk about this offseason.
James Palmer
Yeah. And I think you're right with. You know, I was just thinking how aggressive is somebody after Malik Willis? How aggressive is somebody to try to trade for Kyler Murray or tua? I think that might be. And make sure everybody continues to tune into Scoop City this offseason because there is no off season in the NFL and Chase will be breaking down these draft picks at the quarterback spot. But is that an indication Chase of after Fernando Mendoza. What the league thinks of these quarterbacks within the draft? If you're overly aggressive in certain aspects or you. I just want to see what ends up happening.
Chase Daniel
Malik Willis is number two. They're gonna. Everyone's gonna try to go after him. If they can't then I think it'll be early quarterback rankings. Ty Simpson, Garrett Nussmeier. The one thing too and we'll get into this is like the last tease. Where in the world and what happens to Trinidad Shambliss? Because I, I really. The more I watch them I broke them down this past week. The more I watch them, the more I like them. Obviously there's an injunction versus the ncla. There's a bunch of stuff going to happen this week. I think that could really flip the switch on these who's quarterback two or quarterback three in this draft, depending on what happens with him.
James Palmer
Okay, I love it. And we're going to have all of it right here on Scoop City. The regular season, the postseason, the super bowl all now behind us. But that doesn't mean we slow down, Chase. Doesn't mean we slow down at all. Chase is going to hit the field. He's going to be out there evaluating quarterbacks galore. Let's go check out everything he does because it's outstanding. It's better than anybody else. Chase, I will see you soon, my friend.
Chase Daniel
Thank you, thank you.
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Episode: How Seahawks, Sam Darnold Dominated Patriots in Super Bowl LX
Date: February 9, 2026
Hosts: James Palmer, Dianna Russini, Chase Daniel (The Athletic)
This episode dives deep into Super Bowl LX, where the Seattle Seahawks defeated the New England Patriots 29–13. Hosts James Palmer and former NFL quarterback Chase Daniel break down exactly how Seattle outplayed New England, how Sam Darnold’s story came full circle, and what’s next for both franchises. They discuss game plans, key players, coaching decisions, and the implications for the 2026 season. The show also explores the aftermath for the Patriots, team-building philosophies, and the most “miserable” post-Super Bowl fan base.
Prediction Accuracy
Seattle’s Defensive Masterclass
New England’s Offensive Struggles
Josh McDaniels’ (Patriots OC) Flat Game Plan
Kenneth Walker's Rushing Prowess
Sam Darnold Delivers
Special Teams Unsung Heroes
Seattle's Roster Construction
Forward-Thinking Front Offices
Protection Failures and Inexperienced O-Line
Drake May’s Injury and Performance
Offensive Weaponry Lacking
New England's Path Forward
Patriots Face Tougher Road in 2026
Quarterback Carousel to Watch
On the Seahawks Defensive Domination:
“When you get hit early as a quarterback ... the confidence in you, it just completely goes away.” — Chase Daniel [05:33]
On New England’s Lack of Adjustments:
“For how many flowers we give Josh McDaniels, it looks to me he didn’t recognize it until the second half.” — Chase Daniel [07:51]
On Sam Darnold’s Growth:
“Now he's done it… you saw him talk about his family… his dad believed in him... He's in his prime.” — Chase Daniel [19:34]
On Team-Building:
“John Schneider's able to do it with two defensive winning head coaches… that doesn’t happen in today’s day and age.” — Chase Daniel [23:22]
On Patriots Weapons:
“You’re throwing prayers to Matt Collins... They got to get a guy.” — Chase Daniel [37:22]
On Most Miserable Fan Base Post-Super Bowl:
“It’s got to be the Minnesota Vikings… Sam Darnold is no longer playing for you... You ruined a year with a really, really good roster.” — Chase Daniel [45:20]
On Super Bowl Halftime Show:
“The vibes were fire… tremendous storytelling. I was married to a Latina woman, so I was kind of [in the know]. She was translating everything for me.” — James Palmer [43:36]
The conversation is lively, detailed, and blends expert analysis with locker room anecdotes. Both hosts speak with authority and familiarity, especially Daniel with his quarterback perspective and Palmer as a plugged-in NFL insider. The tone is direct, sometimes playful, and always engaging for fans who want a real inside look at why the Super Bowl played out as it did.
If you want to understand both why Seattle dominated, and what the Patriots must do this offseason, this episode gives you the inside football details you crave—plus a few laughs about halftime shows, Vikings misery, and the perils of rookie O-lines. Essential listening for any NFL aficionado planning for 2026.