How soon could Shedeur Sanders and Jaxson Dart win the starting job?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Scoop City – "How soon could Shedeur Sanders and Jaxson Dart win the starting job?"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Scoop City: A show about the NFL
• Host/Author: The Athletic
• Description: Dive deep into NFL conversations with Senior NFL Insider Diana Rossini and longtime NFL quarterback Chase Daniel. Get insider information, league discussions, and life scoops every Tuesday and Friday.
• Episode Title: How soon could Shedeur Sanders and Jaxson Dart win the starting job?
• Release Date: August 12, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

[02:07] Diana Rossini:
"Welcome to Scoop City. I'm the Athletic's Senior NFL Insider Diana Rossini."

[02:16] Chase Daniel:
"Yes, I'm Chase Daniel. 14 years in the NFL and it's a big day."

[02:25] Diana Rossini:
"We've got a new person on board. Welcome, James Palmer."

[02:54] James Palmer:
"James Palmer joins the show, bringing over a decade of NFL coverage experience."

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Welcoming James Palmer

[03:11] Chase Daniel:
"Scooptown, baby."

[03:27] Diana Rossini:
"Before diving into today’s topics, let's get acquainted with James through a quick icebreaker."

[04:38] James Palmer:
"I've covered the NFL for over a decade, including roles with NFL Network and as a beat reporter for the Houston Texans."

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Shedeur Sanders' Debut Performance

[07:30] Chloe Rossini:
"Let's start with Shedeur Sanders, who's been turning heads with his performance."

[08:54] Diana Rossini:
"Shedeur threw a pair of touchdown passes in his debut against the Panthers. The feedback from the league has been mixed, but there are some clear positives."

[09:31] Chase Daniel:
"His arm looked better than it did at Colorado. He’s always been supremely accurate with the football."

[10:00] Diana Rossini:
"However, there are concerns about his ball security in the pocket."

[10:18] Chase Daniel:
"This is a huge deal. Ball security falls directly on the quarterback, and while it's coachable, it's something he needs to address."

[12:02] Chase Daniel:
"Nike's already got an ad for him an hour after the game. That's confidence."

[13:11] Diana Rossini:
"He does not lack confidence. It's about controlling it in areas like ball security."

[14:57] James Palmer:
"An insider mentioned that Sanders is progressing as expected for a rookie quarterback. The Browns are optimistic but recognize he has work to do."

[16:46] Chase Daniel:
"He should get more second-team reps to continue his progression. The Browns need a franchise quarterback, and Sanders is a part of that conversation."

Notable Quote:

Chase Daniel [09:31]: "His arm looked better than it did at Colorado. He’s always been supremely accurate with the football."

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James Cook’s Situation with the Buffalo Bills

[18:34] James Palmer:
"James Cook has been holding out during training camp. Is this a sign of a potential contract dispute?"

[19:29] Diana Rossini:
"Cook is asking for $15 million, which is above what the Bills have been offering similar backs like Kyron Williams at $11 million."

[20:25] James Palmer:
"The Bills have a history of handling contracts fairly, and it's likely they'll negotiate an agreement that satisfies both parties."

[21:15] Chase Daniel:
"Running backs have a tough market, but Cook's value in the Bills' offense is significant."

Notable Quote:

Diana Rossini [20:15]: "The running back landscape is very difficult to navigate in terms of salary and compensation."

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AR15 Anthony Richardson’s Injury and Impact

[27:33] Diana Rossini:
"Anthony Richardson dislocated his pinky during a preseason game. How does this affect his standing in the quarterback competition?"

[28:30] Chase Daniel:
"Richardson handled the play brilliantly on social media, but the injury is a setback in his competition with Daniel Jones."

[30:20] Diana Rossini:
"Richardson returned to practice but hasn't been held back. The main concern is his mental resilience in staying healthy."

[32:01] James Palmer:
"His ability to stay on the field is crucial for maintaining his position in the competition."

Notable Quote:

Chase Daniel [32:10]: "Quarterbacks are fine. I laugh at it. When people criticize on social, it's frustrating because it's the quarterback's responsibility."

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Rookie Quarterbacks: Cam Ward and Jackson Dart

Cam Ward’s Debut

[47:21] Chase Daniel:
"Cam Ward played better than initially perceived. He showed solid operations within the huddle and made key completions."

[48:31] Diana Rossini:
"The Titans are pleased with Ward's performance, acknowledging he has room to grow."

[49:03] James Palmer:
"Ward is managing the quarterback position better than expected, emphasizing his problem-solving abilities."

Notable Quote:

Chase Daniel [47:21]: "Cam Ward played better than he did when I first looked at it. His operations within the huddle were solid."

Jackson Dart’s Performance

[51:04] Chase Daniel:
"Jackson Dart showcased exceptional escapability and athleticism, reminiscent of Bo Nix’s style."

[52:23] Diana Rossini:
"While there are bright spots, Russell Wilson remains the starter, but Dart is steadily moving closer."

[53:11] Chase Daniel:
"The rivalry between Wilson and Dart will intensify as the season progresses, especially with a tough schedule ahead."

Notable Quote:

Chase Daniel [51:28]: "Jackson Dart's athletic abilities are much better than people think."

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Discussion on Team Strategies and Future Outlook

[34:23] James Palmer:
"The Browns need to evaluate their quarterback options early to capitalize on their strong draft position next year."

[36:03] Diana Rossini:
"Despite Holdout concerns, the Bills are professional and likely to resolve the situation without disrupting team dynamics."

[39:03] Chase Daniel:
"Kellen Moore emphasizes the importance of running the ball, which aligns with the Browns’ offensive strategy."

[41:01] Diana Rossini:
"The Saints are in a better position to evaluate their quarterback options for 2026, given their current roster and coaching stability."

Notable Quote:

Chase Daniel [39:46]: "Run the damn ball. That's what you have to do with Gamara."

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Upcoming Topics and Episode Teasers

[53:11] James Palmer:
"Stay tuned for a special episode on September 28th celebrating Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shook's birthdays."

[56:02] James Palmer:
"We'll have special content highlighting their journeys and performances."

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Conclusion

[55:28] Diana Rossini:
"We appreciate all our listeners and look forward to bringing more insightful NFL discussions in our upcoming episodes."

[55:58] Chase Daniel:
"Stay tuned for our next edition of Scoop City, where we delve deeper into NFL dynamics."

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Notable Quotes Recap

• Chase Daniel [09:31]: "His arm looked better than it did at Colorado. He’s always been supremely accurate with the football."
• Diana Rossini [20:15]: "The running back landscape is very difficult to navigate in terms of salary and compensation."
• Chase Daniel [32:10]: "Quarterbacks are fine. I laugh at it. When people criticize on social, it's frustrating because it's the quarterback's responsibility."
• Chase Daniel [47:21]: "Cam Ward played better than he did when I first looked at it. His operations within the huddle were solid."
• Chase Daniel [51:28]: "Jackson Dart's athletic abilities are much better than people think."
• Chase Daniel [39:46]: "Run the damn ball. That's what you have to do with Gamara."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Scoop City provides an in-depth analysis of emerging quarterbacks Shedeur Sanders and Jaxson Dart, evaluating their performances, potential, and the competitive landscape surrounding their paths to becoming starting quarterbacks. Additionally, discussions around player contracts, injuries, and team strategies offer listeners a comprehensive view of the current NFL season dynamics.

For those interested in detailed NFL insights, this episode delivers valuable content enriched with expert opinions and actionable information.

Transcript

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[Chase Daniel]

This mic.

[Diana Rossini]

See I could. I imagine Chase is handy. Chase, you handy honey?

[Chase Daniel]

Hell no.

[Diana Rossini]

See, I thought you were. Maybe it's cuz you're so jacked now. I thought that, you know, you were like home improvement man.

[James Palmer]

D. Do you think I'm handy?

[Diana Rossini]

No, I don't think you're handy, but I think you're smart enough to figure it out. Like I could like you're. You're like my brother in law. I could see you going to YouTube and kind of being like oh okay.

[James Palmer]

YouTube is the greatest handyman tool of all time.

[Diana Rossini]

Welcome into Scoop City. I'm the athletic senior NFL insider Diana Rossini. And boy, is it a big day around Scoop City. Chase?

[Chase Daniel]

Yes, I'm Chase Daniel. 14 years in the NFL and it's a big day. We got a new person on board. Finally. Who would that be? Diana?

[Diana Rossini]

Oop. City is growing and we're growing in a really big way. This thing is about to take off. Now that we've got our newest member, let's welcome him in. James Palmer. Welcome. James and I have been friends for a. Oh, my gosh. It's got to be over a decade now. He's covered the NFL for over a decade. I don't know if that just means we're all getting old or what it is. But, you know, James Palmer, if you love the NFL, you know who he is. James, welcome, guys.

[James Palmer]

This is awesome. This is awesome. I don't know. Diana and I were texting a little bit Chase, she was like, I'm hearing from people in the league. This is awesome. You guys are getting bigger. We're having great NFL conversation. We all have known each other forever. Diana put out. Actually, I will say this. She's like, scoop City has a new mayor, which I was pretty stoked about. I've never been interested.

[Chase Daniel]

Scooptown, baby.

[James Palmer]

I know I've never been interested in local politics, but this might be a role for me. I mean, and they're important. The mayor in Jaws 2 is the same as the mayor in Jaws 1, which was a huge issue. So maybe I should get involved in the local politics of Scoop City. Let's do this.

[Diana Rossini]

Let's do this. Well, before we get into all the stuff that went down in all these preseason games, so we have so much to talk about, I feel like our listeners and the people that are tuning in need to learn a little bit more about you and maybe a little refresher for Chase and I as well and for the rest that are working on the show. So why don't we do Two truths and a lie? A good old icebreaker. Everyone loves an icebreaker.

[James Palmer]

Icebreaker from our corporate retreat. Maybe we'll throw a ball to somebody else and they'll catch it. And then. I'm just thinking of the office. I love it. It's great. It's a great. They're terrible. My wife loves the office. Man, I'm quoting the office like crazy. I'm gonna tell you right now, right?

[Diana Rossini]

Because it's all this pressure. Like, you gotta be, like, really original and come up with something better than the next person. I just did one about a month ago, and I fell flat on my face. I was so bad with my ideas.

[James Palmer]

I like that icebreakers are supposed to relieve stress, but they just make it a more stressful environment for everybody that doesn't want to speak in public. Listen, everybody does know. I think what I've done covering the NFL for a long time for NFL Network, before that was beat reporter for the Houston Texans, covered the sec, covered the Mountain West Conference all these Things. So I wanted to go non sports for my two truths and a lie. Okay.

[Chase Daniel]

Oh, my gosh, here we go.

[James Palmer]

And then you guys have to pick. Obviously, everybody knows the rules.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Palmer]

I made several appearances as the Philadelphia Fanatic. I am not speaking. No speaking role, but you can see me in two separate feature films. And do you remember the show Jackass?

[Chase Daniel]

Yes.

[Diana Rossini]

Yes.

[James Palmer]

Tony Knoxville, growing up, Bam Margera's mom cut my hair my whole life.

[Chase Daniel]

Oh, I got it.

[James Palmer]

These are the three.

[Chase Daniel]

I got it. I got it. That's easy. That's. I feel like this is easy. I think for sure, we gotta be on the same page. I think for sure the middle one is a truth. Two feature films. The way you said it, the way you acted on it, you seem like an actor. You have a face for tv. You're in. You know what I mean? Like, what do you think, Dan? You think that's. That's one of the truths?

[Diana Rossini]

No, but I love the breakdown. Like, Yeah, I love the. I love.

[James Palmer]

No, I love that we're in the weeds here.

[Diana Rossini]

Like, you're a good looking guy, James. You know that? That's. That's.

[James Palmer]

I know. I was like, chasing, like, this is a Robert Redford cat in front of us.

[Chase Daniel]

I was like, would you. Would you agree that that's the. That's one of the truths?

[Diana Rossini]

I. I would agree. I think he has been in a movie.

[Chase Daniel]

Is that true, James?

[James Palmer]

No, that is not.

[Chase Daniel]

Oh, my God.

[James Palmer]

Yes. Yes, we have been the Philly Fanatic.

[Chase Daniel]

So Bam, are.

[James Palmer]

Yes, please.

[Diana Rossini]

How are you not talking about the Philly Fanatic? That's ridiculous. So tell us this backstory here.

[James Palmer]

The most iconic mascot in all of sports. Listen, I never got to do a game, but I did several appearances. Sadly, growing up in Philadelphia, school closings have been a regular thing. From time to time, I've done some school closings in the city as the Fanatics. Some charity walks out there in the summertime. It was my dream to be a mascot. And honestly, it all started by being SpongeBob. I was SpongeBob SquarePants at Hooters first. That was like the minor league for me. Kids eat free on Tuesdays, and I made a big jump from single a ball all the way up to the big leagues with the Fanatic. And I really wanted to be the fanatic for my entire life, but they just don't, you know, Tom Burgoyne does a great job there being the Fanatics best friend.

[Diana Rossini]

And then I used the wrong M word. You are the mascot, not mayor.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, mascot. Not Mayor.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[James Palmer]

And then I remember real quick, before we get into this, I remember sitting in the barber chair and April being like, so bam. Got a call from MTV and they want him to be on this show. I don't know. I. Hopefully he does something because he's just skating. And I don't know if it probably won't be anything. It's called Jackass. We'll see what happens. And I was like, no. I think it kind of became something.

[Diana Rossini]

But that it did real quick.

[Chase Daniel]

I was so wrong. I'm sorry. I led us down the wrong path.

[Diana Rossini]

The thing is, I trust you so much, so I took it.

[James Palmer]

Trust me now.

[Diana Rossini]

Jason. I have a thing. And so I went with it. And we no longer have a thing. Chase, because that was really bad.

[Chase Daniel]

Well, totally wrong.

[James Palmer]

I like that we're starting this off, guys, where I can lie to you extremely well. That's a good working relationship as we kick this off. Perfect. So let's kick it off right now. Listen, we got a couple of things we majorly want to get to James Cook's situation, the running back in Buffalo. He dresses, he warms up, doesn't participate. What's happening? Doesn't play in the preseason game. Diana's got a ton on that. Then we're going to talk about AR15, Anthony Richardson, the dislocated pinky and can't stay on the field again. Does that change reps moving forward? Does that change the quarterback competition moving forward at all in Indianapolis? Because it's a real one. We'll get to that. And then lastly, these rookie quarterbacks, and we have our quarterback and Chase Daniel with us. So we're going to look at some of the film. Chase is going to break it down. We're going to tell you what we're hearing around the league about these debuts from a lot of these rookies. All of that coming up right here. So this is what we're hearing. Let's start with the big. I'm not sure if you guys know about Shedor Sanders, kind of a lightning rod. And Shadore goes out there, plays very well in a lot of people's eyes, throws a pair of touchdown passes in his debut against the Panthers. Diane, I want to start with you because one of the things that I loved about joining the show is we get the film side of things. We get the former player side of things. We get breaking all of that down. But also what we're hearing around the league. What was the consensus, or was there one about Shador Sanders debut?

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I feel Like, I got a flavor of how people saw his performance and a lot of different flavors, actually, not just one Neapolitan. And these are talking to people who took time to watch the film. Right. Since. Since they played on Friday night. So, Chase, I kind of wanted to rip through some of the. The notes I took on some of the conversations I had and just tell me if you think it's a big deal or not a big deal.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

When. When I share some of the criticisms and some of the good things. Right. So I'll start with one. Great arm, great poise, great energy. Right.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah, I. I would agree. His arm looked better than it did at Colorado. And I know he had a strong arm.

[James Palmer]

He's.

[Chase Daniel]

He's always been supremely accurate with the football. Biggest thing that he showed within the game was his ability to throw on time, like he played on time. There was no panic. There was no. There was like a lot of poise. And he was a lot more athletic, Diana, than I thought. A couple of these spinning around sacks, a couple of these getting away from sacks when it's five man pressure. So I'd say that's probably right on par with what I saw.

[Diana Rossini]

Okay. So this was the most consistent thing in speaking with people that, that I got the feedback on poor ball security in the pocket when moving. That. That was. That was the common feedback from that tape. Big deal or not a big deal?

[Chase Daniel]

Huge deal. I mean, it's a huge deal. I think the one thing that rookie quarterbacks, second year quarterbacks, really all quarterbacks, the biggest thing that I've seen in quarterback rooms being spoken about is really not interceptions, because interceptions, there's a lot of different ways that it can happen. You can throw a. A right route, but the receiver breaks the wrong way. And so that's on you. That's an interception. Or you can get a tipped ball. That's not really your fault. Or you can get just amazing play defensively. Very rarely do you just throw it right at the guy. But when you talk about ball security within the pocket, it falls directly on the quarterback. And I did see. And when they talk about ball security, you really want two hands on the football. And the film definitely said sometimes he would drop that left hand and he'd be waving this ball around like this. And that. That's probably pretty normal, Diana. You saw it from Jaden Daniels, you saw it from Caleb Williams, who takes a lot of sacks. That's a pretty normal thing. And that is coachable, but that's actually true.

[Diana Rossini]

What about not being the most disciplined. Like I think that's just fair for, for where he's at on his journey. That was something that was shared with me.

[Chase Daniel]

When you say most discipline on the field, off the field, on the field.

[Diana Rossini]

Just not the most disciplined in the position yet. Which he's a fifth round pick. That in playing in his first NFL.

[James Palmer]

Game, like for sure.

[Diana Rossini]

I think that was a little harsh. Simple slants are high. They were really high.

[Chase Daniel]

So the first throw that they are literally talking about, the first throw, because I saw it too. They did a four by one formation to the left, a single receiver to the right. Diana. And it was his first throw. And I'm telling you I watched that throw about 15 times. He threw it about 100 miles an.

[James Palmer]

Hour because he was so jacked up, man.

[Chase Daniel]

He was jacked up. And they came back to it a second time in the game. Going left to right on the screen and he missed that as well. It's just nerves. But he, he like I remember my first football throw in college. Diana, you'll never believe this. Like I was, I, I, I played as a true freshman at the University of Missouri. It was in Kansas City, Chief Stadium and Brad Smith had started. I got a couple reps in the game because we were, we were smoking. I think it was Arkansas State. I was so nervous going onto the field. I threw a Shallow Cross about 700mph, tipped off the hands of the receiver. My first pass tipped off the hands of the receiver and went about 30ft in the air and landed in an Arkansas State defensive backs hands. I run off the field to Gary Pinkle. He says sit your ass down. He put Brad Smith back in the game. Oh, back in the game. So I get the nerves those are to happen.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. And, and he, he certainly seems like an athlete and we saw a Colorado who was going to be able to handle and manage all that once he just feels confident. I mean Nike's already got an ad for him. I mean what was that like an hour after the game?

[Chase Daniel]

That was a little Dinah.

[James Palmer]

Did you say once he feels confident? Once Shador Sanders feels confident.

[Diana Rossini]

He does not lack confidence. But I, I, that's one of those characteristics about him. I, I do think people around the league see and, and were judgmental of it, perhaps even when he was going through the draft process. But when it comes down to it, you want your quarterback to have a little bit of that juice if he can just learn to control it in the areas when he meets him. No. Why'd you shake ahead of me? Just you know, you're talking about. Go ahead.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah. I think that there's. There is a certain amount of juice you want your quarterbacks to have. And I do think nowadays, these college quarterbacks are coming into the NFL extremely confident and extremely confident themselves, whether it's social media status or, like, all these guys. Right. Like these. And that's just sort of how it's moved. I do think there is something to be said about how his teammates feel about him. And from everything I've heard, I felt like they. They really like him. And so I think that it'll be interesting to see the dynamic if and when he is the starter, will he continue to carry himself the way he does? Because it's sort of him showing him his personality. And look, we've talked about this a lot before the Kansas City Chiefs. The one thing that Andy Reid would always say to Alex Smith, to Jeremy Macklin, to all these guys that I play with with the Kansas City Chiefs is be you show your personality. So maybe they're just letting him do that. It's infectious. I actually enjoyed the way he played, the style he played with, the confidence. You saw him go up to Miles Garrett, hey, I'm gonna. I just want to feel your swipe, right? I just want to feel your swipe. Like, I'm spinning away. Like, stuff like that. In interactions with teammates. It's. It's good.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I listen. He was him. He entered with a. You know, like, he always says, giant boombox has a guy next to him with a scepter as he's coming into the stadium.

[Diana Rossini]

So, like, when you first saw that, though, like, weren't you, like, oh, boy. I think a lot of people had a thought on that of, like, where. What is this going to be?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I think that thought was there, Diana. But at the same time, is he being exactly who he is? He is. And if that's the way Andy Reid, one of the best coaches of all time, says guys should be, he's not changing who he is now that he's gotten to the league. I think that was evident in that. I think I wanted to bring this up to you guys because, listen, this is the only guy that hasn't taken first team reps out of the four. He's been predominantly with the threes. They believe Dylan Gabriel is good enough, to my understanding, to take meaningful reps during this season. At some point, from what they've seen, the main reason Shador has been behind are all the other things we talked about in the draft process. We don't have to get into it. But last week I was having dinner name dropped with Andrew Siciliano, the voice of the Browns. The voice of the Browns. And we were sitting there and he's like this is what's going to happen and we're agreeing on this. He's going to go out and he's going to ball and it's going to erupt and it's going to be this thing that surrounds Shador Sanders all the time. Right. Unlike any other player we've seen probably coming out. So what I ask you Chase, is has he earned more number two reps we're going to see have joint practices with the Eagles. So it's an opportunity for him to get maybe some more meaningful snapshots. How quickly has he grown? I think this is a big one because he was behind in this small sample size we saw in a preseason game. Has he already moved himself up for stealing some snaps and it's helped. He's taken advantage of a situation where there's been some injuries and some limited snaps around him.

[Chase Daniel]

Look, when he first signed as a 5th round pick, I wasn't sure if he'd get reps to get him up to speed. So I was a little bit not worried but interested to see how it would play out in the game. But the way he operates the offense, or at least he did for one game, 50 plays, not even like three, two and a half quarters, I believe there's no doubt in my mind he should get more second team reps. Like he needs to continue the progression up the hill and I've been of the part and Diana, we've talked about this. I've talked about this everywhere. I think eventually they need to play one of the two rookies. Like I think Joe Flacco is probably the one to start the season. But do we think, and I'm saying we, this is rhetorical. Do we think the Browns are going to go on this special magical season run? No, like I, I just don't have faith in that. They play in a very difficult division. The AFC is absolutely stacked, Diana. And when I look at this roster I'm like, okay, they'll be good. Joe Flacco is not your your answer at quarterback for the next 10 years. They have to find a franchise quarterback after they that disaster with desean Watson in my whole thought of thinking is, well if it's not Flacco and you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round, you drafted Shador Sanders in the fifth round. Let those two guys play. See what you have this year, right. I, I think it should be earlier rather than later. And I say that because the Browns next year have two first round picks. So if Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel are not the guy, is it Arch Manning, is it Drew Aller? They'll probably have a first round pick, like a high pick. They'll have the ammo to move within that top three or four picks to be able to get their guy. Now, we don't know what those guys will be, right, the college guys, but you have to see what you have on the field with these guys.

[James Palmer]

So all in all, I actually talked to somebody inside the organization even this morning who was like, he's progressing the way we hope and expect a rookie to progress at quarterback. That's kind of where the Browns stand. I think they liked what they saw, but again, they know he's got work to do and we'll see what, what added work he gets moving forward. And speaking of workload, James Cook's workload is one that we're analyzing inside and out. Throughout the course of training camp, there's been multiple hold ins, there's been some holdouts. James Cooks has been back and forth. Diana, as the Bill's running back starts, I think he practices the first four days, then he's standing on his business and he's having a hold in. Then he dresses for the preseason game, goes through warm ups, and they wanted him to play, he decided not to play. Is this a sign that we're headed in maybe the opposite direction of what a lot of us thought was happening, which was we're getting closer to a deal. Is this now an issue? Is this a concern for a Super bowl contender?

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, it's certainly not great at this point. Right. So we saw Kyron Williams out of LA get paid around $11 million. Right. And we know that James has said publicly that, you know, he thinks his worth is about 15 million. Right. Quite difference in, in money. But, but, but look, credit to him, he's shooting high, he's going, he's going for the cash. He knows that he's valuable to this offense. And we saw the effect that Saquon Barkley had on the Philadelphia Eagles in the super bowl in their run. So more power to them for swinging, swinging for the fences. And, and, and that's seriously how it's viewed, right? No one thinks that number is realistic. Your reaction is exactly. I think how the Buffalo Bills have seen it as well. Respectfully.

[Chase Daniel]

Where does he end up at then?

[Diana Rossini]

So I think the number that makes sense is probably Right around Williams. If not maybe a million or two more. Right?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, because remember Kyron Williams, this is the seventh highest paid back in football. Now he gets 23 guaranteed, 33 over three. So Diana's right. 11 per year, I think. And Diana, tell me if I'm wrong here like you look, now listen, the running back landscape is very difficult to navigate as opposed to some other positions in terms of salary and compensation because backs are used in a variety of ways. He's not an every down, you know, bell cow back like Williams is. But that's Sean McVay's system. He uses one back. But you can't discredit the value that James Cook has to an offense that is built a little bit differently. So as I'm saying this, Chase, I'm thinking it's hard to make these evaluations on what a player's worth when your offense operates differently than other offenses in the league. They don't pay a 30 million doll dollar receiver on the outside. Yeah, they're built differently. So how does that work?

[Chase Daniel]

Well, I think, I think just in general, you saw Josh Allen's game, in my opinion take a step up last year and really before that even the last five or six games, where Joe Brady two years ago was the offensive coordinator after Ken Dorsey got fired. And what did that show me when they made the switch from offensive coordinator to Joe Brady, which I was with Joe Brady in New Orleans in 2017. Dude is super smart and he wants to run the football. There's a reason why Josh Allen took a step up this year. They ran the ball really well and it wasn't just, hey, let's run left, let's run right. Different schemes, different variations, putting Josh Allen under the center, play action stuff. And what did Josh Allen do? He ended up winning his first mvp. And so I think that is something that needs to be talked about like more because I do think James Cook is one of the better backs in the game, in the system.

[Diana Rossini]

The only reason why this one is slightly bizarre to me is if you just look at the Buffalo Bills history and you know, Brandon Bean even said it, he's been there nine years, they've never dealt with anything.

[James Palmer]

A good track record for the Bean man.

[Diana Rossini]

It's quite the track record. Right? Because it just tells you how they conduct business. They approach it fairly. I don't think there's an ego of we got to win this. Because you two both know so much of this, of these negotiations are about who's going to come out on top, who's Winning, Right. So, so let's say you change the APY or you agree to an APY that's a little less than what you were hoping for. You know, Cook's camp is then going to try to get more guarantees. Like, that's just how it works. Right? Everyone is always trying to find little ways to win. And if they're giving in other areas and I think big picture, that's, that's the sense I'm getting of where they're at right now is they're just trying to come up with an, with a, an agreement where both are feeling like they're giving a bit. But I do think it says something that this is happening when historically this is. This hasn't been the Bills in the last decade. They, they like resigning their players and getting it done and keeping the distractions away from their team. So I think this is something they work out. Like, I'm not overly.

[Chase Daniel]

What's the timing?

[Diana Rossini]

It's just when, right? Because now we're at that time, we're approaching the time of year where GMs head coaches are usually pretty chill and then everyone starts freaking out like, oh, game one's coming, you know.

[James Palmer]

But Diana, my understanding is they're closer on numbers than people may think. Obviously, there's still always a lot to be hammered out. Until a deal's done, you're not there. But I do think he wants to be there. He has said he wants to be there multiple times. He did show up for camp. He did participate. Yes. It's gone backwards a little bit. Hell, I'm even looking at somebody like Rashawn Slater who just got paid with the Chargers and then goes down in practice. This is a difficult position to stay healthy. You take a beating. Your window is smaller than a lot of other positions in this league. You want to get paid as much as you can on that second contract. He deserves it. We mentioned how they're built differently, but at the same time, Diana, you do have to participate and start wondering and start practicing because we're seeing this with multiple holdouts and hold ins. As you want to say, there is a time where you got to start practicing to be ready for week one.

[Chase Daniel]

And I think that's, I think that's a great point, James. And to both of you guys, like, people don't understand and it hasn't really been reported. I'm not sure if that's happening. But when you're holding in, you're still getting fined. If you're not practicing, like holdouts getting fine and so it's a lot of money. Like, like, anytime I've been a part of a few of these, you're like, dude, do you care about losing like 30, 40, $50,000 a day? It just continues to add up. I wonder when there's a breaking point, if James is getting fine. Like, hey, I'm sick and tired of losing money. Like, you know, it depends if it's contentious. It depends if there's. It depends if there's drama, how the team handles it. It just seems to me like the Buffalo Bills. And James, you made the point in the pre production meeting. It's like, man, it was the most boring Hard Knocks episode we've ever seen. It was fast.

[James Palmer]

Dawkins out there drifting. But there's no. With kids in the car. But there's no. There's no excitement, really. And that's kind of a good thing, the way the Bills are doing this real quick. But when you're, when you're holding in, though, Chase, you're not fine until the team wants to find you.

[Chase Daniel]

Exactly. And if you're not practicing, though, and there's a contentious relationship there now, we've been starting these. They can start fighting. That's why James, if you remember, that's why hold ins became all the rage. Okay, let's not hold out. Let's just go there, show up in the cba, change. So now you. It's like the best of both worlds. You're face to face, but you can still find a guy for not going to practice. And I'm not sure if they're doing that or not, but that would be a point that I would imagine that they would probably try and make.

[Diana Rossini]

I think a lot of fans believe too, because we've seen teams do this, that, oh, those all get waived once the contract is extended. That's not always the case. Right. It's really up to the club. So we'll see how they're going to handle this. But. But I think. I think both sides are going to try to figure this out over the next few weeks. This is not one that I'm staying up late worried about.

[James Palmer]

No. And Brandon bean had like 90 different contracts he had to handle with this draft list as they've been trying to reconfigure their cap. He did four other deals this offseason as well, and it's hard, and I'll close it out with this, to get all of those deals done in the same year. Because what happens, you're happy, you're resigning your talent, you drafted them you developed them, you re sign them. What ends up happening though? Chase, all their deals are up at the same time again. And then you're like oh God, we're hitting, like we're hitting it at the same time. We got to regroup. So luckily the salary cap's going up.

[Chase Daniel]

To like 300 million 100%.

[James Palmer]

But sometimes you like your contract staggered a little bit so it's not all happening the same year. Okay, coming up, we're going to talk about Anthony Richardson. AR 15. An injury connected to that name. That's something that has happened sadly far too often in a short career. What's next? Has the competition changed? Do the reps change? Is he completely healthy? We'll have all of that after the break.

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[Diana Rossini]

Oh, it is. And look, he did return to practice after Thursday night's game and they're certainly monitoring it as of now that he's not being held back. They're not giving him reps off at any point. So I think they're confident that it's gonna be okay here. But I again, the big story is going to be who actually has the edge and he wants to be on that field as a competitor and I'm talking to somebody in Indy this morning about it. So much of this is just mental for him, of just feeling like he is 100% healthy and, and this isn't him feeling bad for himself at all. But there's a thought of frustration of he just, he can't stay healthy. And granted this isn't something that they're super concerned about that is going to hold him back. He's not going to play. But it's just, it's just another challenge for him as he's trying to beat out Daniel Jones.

[James Palmer]

Yeah. And listen, it's, it's probably not the only brain his that this Chase is creeping into. It's everybody in Indianapolis. It's from Chris Ballard to Shane Steichen to going, I know it's a dislocated pinky, but here we go again. Can he stay on the field? And he was gaining some ground from my understanding on Daniel Jones in the last several practice. He had a really good joint practice and then you see this end up happening. Aside from the injury, if he wants to win this job, there's great concern because of the play and what transpired.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah, I mean, look, James, I was not expecting these like me reacting or anyone reacting to Anthony Richardson getting sacked and dislocating his pinky, which I don't know how like as a quarterback, like it's probably the least important finger you have, but man, his pinky was like sideways.

[James Palmer]

It was a baldy pinky. Yeah, yeah.

[Chase Daniel]

Yes, it was a baldy pinky. Brian. Balding. Yeah. But when I, when, when you look at the play and I think going into his third year, I think this is sort of the frustration. I didn't know it would like do so, like people would be so interested, but it's the frustration that he just really hasn't taken the next step mentally. And yes, guys, it's preseason Game. Yes. Coaches and offensive corner, they don't prep for this but it's a day one install play. James. It was a running back to the flat. It, it was a little hook route behind it and it was a corner corner route on top of it. And it's a five man protection. And I couldn't believe Diane and James the amount of people on social media that tried to tell quarterbacks what was wrong with it. It was the O line's fault. Why did he not do it? No, this is absolutely on Anthony Richardson.

[James Palmer]

How mad does that make you by the way? When people do that on social.

[Chase Daniel]

Quarterbacks are fine. I laugh at it. And when.

[James Palmer]

And I think.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah, I look at people in the comments like, why are you fighting? Like, I'm not trying to like tell you an opinion. I'm telling you fact on what it is in the NFL quarterback room. And so this is on Anthony Richardson and it was a play, maybe I was a little harsh, but it's a play that is like, hey, you have to know and get your eyes in the right spot. That's like Football 101. Knowing when you are hot, meaning there's an extra defender coming. If you only have five people, like, well, they only rushed four and they had five offensive linemen. It's just, it doesn't, it's just like throwing to the hot. It's what college quarterbacks are, coach. It's what NFL quarterbacks are coach. It's Day 1 stuff. And so the play is the play. I think the biggest thing that people are wondering and Even a rich AR15 handled it brilliantly in the press conference after. It's like, hey man, like just make the easy plays. Just don't have negative plays. Just do what you're asking. Do what your coach. Because it's 1000% percent getting coached. It's literally the first play you install when you go there on training camp day one. And so I think that was the frustration maybe with the coaching staff and maybe with the fans, like, man, this should not be that difficult of a play.

[James Palmer]

Diana. He doesn't. It doesn't bother him at all, does it? You can tell it doesn't. Chase is definitely laughing when people.

[Diana Rossini]

Oh yeah, Chase.

[James Palmer]

Doesn't bother him at all.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. James, James. That's going to be the best part of this journey with us as we're going to be, you know, a trio. You're going to see these things about Chase.

[James Palmer]

I like it. I like the emotion.

[Diana Rossini]

I'm like, what? Why are you getting so mad about that? But. But I get it. He's passionate and he does the work. That's what it is. I like watch so much that you. And you know more because you've done it. It's easy for us to sit here and criticize my thing before we move on real quick. My thing is just. I. I feel like this is just getting handed to Daniel Jones and Daniel Jones is just not grabbing it and going. And I think back to when the off season was around and the Vikings were considering keeping him there. Like maybe this was a blessing that he wound up going to Indy because he should be better. Like this shouldn't be so close of a competition or at least some of the reports coming out. Daniel Jones started off ahead, but now as James you. You pointed to. It seems closer. I just don't think it should be this tight.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I. I don't think it should. I. I do think the word that I hear out of there more than anything as we wrap this up is consistency. They just want consistency from the quarterback position. And Chase, you know exactly what that is. Diana, you know exactly what that is. They think they have a decent offense. They want somebody to go out there and run it. And by the way, you saw the addition of Tyler Warren pretty quickly about.

[Chase Daniel]

What he brings to the amazing route. A.D. mitchell. Tyler Warren, like, they got some skills.

[James Palmer]

They got some players and they want somebody to distribute this ball. I still think Shane Steichen is a good offensive mind and they want somebody to play consistently and being consistent. Chase, you have a point is you have to consistently be on the field.

[Chase Daniel]

You have to be on the field. Just quick question before, like in your guys's opinions, like, who is the starter day one, like if it's close, would you imagine that Anthony Richardson would get the nod because of the draft pick or like I. Because I don't have a feel for it at all.

[Diana Rossini]

I think it's going to be Daniel Jones in the end. I think that's good. Look, they have. This always goes back to the politics of it, right? And you look at general manager Chris Ballard, he's been there. Obviously this organization as a whole is dealing with a lot of transition with ownership. Obviously with the passing of Jim Mercy, who had a. A lot of say on things. Chris Ballard is going to want to make and is going to want to make Anthony Richardson work, right? He's going to want him to have an opportunity, but I think the play is going to wind up being the thing that they. It's going to force the hand if you're Shane Steichen, you're sitting there like, I need the best quarterback here. And I'm not saying that's Daniel Jones right now. I just think that's.

[James Palmer]

I think he's saying I need wins, but to keep my. To keep my job in some sense. But yeah, they're not going to rush this. I know from that, Diana, they're not going to rush this decision. They've rushed things with Anthony Richardson in the past. I think they make this decision leading into their third preseason game.

[Diana Rossini]

Honestly, could they list it as or right?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, there's still some time. Yeah. Now there's another quarterback battle that is a true quarterback battle. These might be the only two maybe that are really just between two players. There's another one between four that we covered, but this one down in New Orleans with small Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shook, the second round pick who played 78 years of college football.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[James Palmer]

You know what I found out, actually, they are born on the same day Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shook and Spencer Rattler is a year younger. And so what did you, Chase, see from. From.

[Diana Rossini]

Wait, what was the day? Do you know the birthday? No.

[James Palmer]

I had it somewhere.

[Chase Daniel]

You expect them to know the birth?

[James Palmer]

It was funny. Was. I was looking, I was looking them up and then I'm like, wait a minute. And I'm going back and forth and I'm like, that's the same day James.

[Diana Rossini]

Spencer Rattler, by the way, not that it affects my opinions on the show. Big fan of Scoop City is he came up to me at the super bowl was like, love the show. We love Spencer Rattler for that reason. And we also.

[James Palmer]

I appreciate that, Spencer. And listen, we will find your birthday and we will send you something whenever we look that up and find your birthday. What, what, what flash to you, Chase? Honestly, about. I feel like it was kind of like it wasn't too big. You saw flashes that he can play, but it was up and down. And my understanding is that's the way camp's been.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah, I mean, look, this is the most interesting quarterback competition that no one's talking about because you have a guy in Spencer Rattler who didn't play well last year. And then Tyler Schuck goes out there. Hyde probably drafted maybe higher than some people thought. I know that we covered it here on Scoop City. Diana had the scoop on a lot of this stuff that like, hey, you are getting talked about more and more and it just. She felt like he was moving up draft boards and surely enough goes to the Saints. It's A great position for him. I don't know if he's going to be ready. And when you watch the game, it's like, all right, there's some boneheaded mistakes. There's that big touchdown throw that really, you know, Kellen Moore wants to do. He wants to throw the ball down the field. They have Rasheed Shahid, that's a speed burner. They have other guys out there. It's a decent offense from that standpoint. Still have Kamara, so they're going to be fine. It just comes down to the most important position in sports, and I don't know how they're going to play. Like, if I'm the Saints, like, do you want to start Spencer Rattler? I don't know. I think that what they should do is probably just ride with Shuck and decide, hey, this is what's gonna happen. There's gonna be some ups and downs, like they're gonna not win. I don't know if they'll win a bunch of games. Defense has to be really good. They play in a division that, you know is owned by. Been owned by Tampa. Then you look at Carolina, they're getting better. Can, can they have the number? Like, there's just so much that goes on. Atlanta's better. But it'll be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.

[Diana Rossini]

Chase, you've played for Kellen and you, you know him well. You know how, how his mind works. What do you think is like the one thing he's obsessed with in his quarterback that these two have to kind of figure out in order to win.

[James Palmer]

The gig because he's playing with different guys.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah, yeah, run the damn ball. That's what you have to do with Gamara. Like I'm looking at Kellen and I'm looking at how much he ran last year. I mean, I think down the stretch, after their 2 and 2 start, the Philadelphia Eagles, they average 25 pass attempts a game. Now, they don't have Saquon Barkley, they don't have that offensive line, but they have to rely on a run game early. I think the biggest thing, Diana, we talked about earlier, taking care of the football to killing. Can't stand when the, when the ball is turned over, when he can't stand, when they're not sharp, they'll probably have a watered down offense. Maybe it's some Philly stuff, maybe it's some LA stuff, maybe it's some Dallas stuff that Kellen's going to bring to New Orleans. It's going to be watered down because you're going to have a young buck running it. You want to be able to go up there, operate well. But I'd say run the ball, man.

[James Palmer]

Listen, I'm going to look at this from, from a 10,000 foot view here and I want both of your opinions because to me, I think 2025 is the first time we have an opportunity for the New Orleans Saints to reset and they haven't done that in a long time. My understanding is I'm not sure they're bringing any sort of veteran in with this competition. It seems like they're looking at these two. We have to find out if Tyler Shook can play. We could win five games and find that out and be in the running for one of these quarterbacks that once again we hear that this year's class is better than the last class. Right. We always hear that. But at the same time, could you be putting yourself in play for 2026 and your real quarterback option is a year down? You have a head coach in his first year coming into the city. You do have Chase, you mentioned like no, they don't have the Eagles offensive line. I think they have an okay offensive line though. They have some skilled players. They have some pieces on defense. So they have some things in place. I almost feel like Diana, they're in a better position to figure things out in 2025 and put themselves in an educated position to evaluate their options in 2026 than say the Browns are, who also are probably some of their stiffest competition of taking a quarterback at the top of the draft with the extra ammunition they have after the Travis Hunter trade.

[Diana Rossini]

This is no knock on Dennis Allen or Darren Rizzi even. But I feel like this is the true first post Sean Payton error. And just because those two guys had such connections to that regime, right. Obviously with Dennis Allen's relationship and Darren Rizzi's been a special teams coach in New Orleans for all those years. They're now back together in Denver. So to your point that are they flushing this thing down right. And letting Kellen make this his own by going, all right, we gotta figure out how to clean up this mess for this year to get by to set us up for next year. I think that makes a lot of sense. They have a great owner, a patient owner who understands and understands the position that they're in because of the previous. So I don't, I don't think it's far fetched to say like the Browns, maybe they're just looking at the season of let's be decent, let's be competitive. But it's all about next year.

[James Palmer]

Yeah. And you have to find out. You need answers at that position. You need answers. And some teams are trying to hit the reset button. Other teams trying to go for a Lombardi trophy. That's where we're going to go in the final segment of today's show. That's Matthew Stafford not on the field today once again as he's battling this back issue. We're going to tell you if there's a couple cause for concern there or not. Bringing down Stafford and the Rams after this.

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Other restrictions apply. Welcome back to Scoop City. James Palmer, Diane Orsini, Chase, Daniel with you and Matthew Stafford. Well, not really with us. He's not on the show. He's not on the practice field. He still has not returned on Monday. He is kind of throwing off to the side. There looks to be kind of a something put in place Diana, on him returning to the field. When is that going to happen? Do we know? And what is the concern level if you had to put a number on it? Between one and a thousand for Sean McVay.

[Chase Daniel]

One in a thousand. Okay. I like that.

[Diana Rossini]

Knowing Sean McVeigh's personality. One thousand, right? Yeah, he Stresses out over everything. Look, we. We've known this about Matthew Stafford forever. He deals with this every single season. This is part of the reason the contract always gets ticky tacky. Just because this medical staff knows what he deals with on a daily basis and he doesn't like to talk about his injuries. But we've all been reporting enough on Matthew Stafford over the years to know there's something not great about his back from. From day one. It's just. It's never. He's never 100% it appears so. Look, I'm just going to go based on the history now. This isn't me knowing anything at this moment. I just think this is something with. With some rest here. You know, he figures it out because he just always does. He's that tough of a quarterback. But we'll see how this plays.

[Chase Daniel]

I couldn't agree more. I think that I played with Stafford from Highland Park. Everyone knows that I'm from South Lake in Texas and we were pretty much neighbors. He has always been sort of the iron man of the NFL, right. He's always seems to be hurt. There's always something. He's got a wrap on his left hand, he's got his ankle taped. He's got something back's a little bit different. Backs can flare up quite a bit. I don't think this is anything to be worried about. But I do wonder how it will affect him for a 17 game season. Now there's all that. There's this veteran rest, right. Which I think that's really what this is. Yes, it was said and reported he got an epidural. I get that. But it will be interesting to see if he gets hit right in the right area. I mean backs are nothing to deal with, especially with quarterbacks. Especially his throwing motion, James, that he brings, it's. It's a lot of torque through the midsection and then those small muscles in the back and those small bones and vertebrae in the back when they're turning so much because he's a very snappy thrower. So he uses his midsection and torque a lot. It'll be interesting to see how it happens.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I think it's an idea chase of value, right? What do you value more reps in the early portion of August or where's his percentage of health in December and January? And I think where their value is, right.

[Diana Rossini]

They got Jimmy G there. We know how much they love Jimmy G there.

[James Palmer]

That's a great point, Diana, because what everybody always talks about too before we do some youngsters is when your quarterback isn't on the field during training camp, how is it impacting the other 10 guys of your offense? The Rams, I believe, feel like the other 10 guys with Jimmy G out there around them are getting all the proper work that they need because they believe Jimmy's a starting caliber guy. So the offense still operating well. And guess what? Devonte Adams is an absolute stud route runner. He'll be exactly where he's supposed to be right when the two start throwing the ball back and forth with each other. But young quarterbacks are still trying to figure things out. Let's finish this off with a couple of other rookies that we saw Chase on the field. The first one, Cam Ward, I'd like to give an award and just say, hey, here you go. You're the least talked about number one overall pick of all time. Like, but, but what did you see from his first game? Action in the NFL, the number one pick in Cam Ward.

[Chase Daniel]

I thought it was good. Look, I watched it live and I watched it again like literally right after the game just to get a feel for how much he played and what he did, what he didn't do. I think a lot of people are just looking at stats, right? Like, oh, let me just see the stats. Did he throw for a lot of yards? He throw a lot? No, but the operation, when I went back and checked it again, I thought he played a lot better than he did when I first looked at it. Because then you really get to dive in and that's what they do in the film room. The operation within the huddle, getting stuff set, the three completions to Calvin Ridley, I mean they're going to be problem this year. That's what they sort of hope that someone could get Calvin Ridley, the football. Now look, offensively, they got some weapons. They have better weapons than I think a lot of people think. Are there going to be some growing pains? Do they play in a winnable division? Sure. It's going to come down to how poised Cam Ward's continues to play. I think there's a little bit of problem solving that goes into the position. And just watching in college, I thought Cam Ward was able to problem solve the quarterback position better than really anyone that I saw coming out of the draft. And yeah, he's the least talked about number one pick. I don't know if they like it or don't like it, but we're talking about him now, so thought he played pretty well.

[James Palmer]

Diana, what do they think? Like, do they think he's where he should be? Do they think he's beyond where he would maybe be in their expectations? Where do they view Cam right now?

[Diana Rossini]

So, one thing that I've liked about the way the Titans have handled this situation is they know the talent he has, but their patience is. It stands out when you're having conversations with them about what they expect from him right now. And. And I'd say he's right on track. I feel the Titans believe he still has a lot to learn and grow, but. But they seem happy with where things are.

[James Palmer]

Okay. Okay. Well, listen, I'm kind of excited to see him play. Real quick, Chase, before we move on from him, I. I was told this morning, calling around, drifting a little bit. Is that a thing with him? Did you see that?

[Chase Daniel]

Yes, I think so. I think. I think that there's. There's some pocket presence stuff that needs to get worked on. But it, like I said, it's so hard to break down these guys after one.

[James Palmer]

Yeah.

[Chase Daniel]

Two drives.

[Diana Rossini]

I'm glad you said that.

[James Palmer]

I wanted to thank you for being a realist, Chase. Thank you.

[Diana Rossini]

It's funny because, like, like, Chase, people around the league all know that you do this, and they know that we were going to talk about all the rookie debuts and just the quarterbacks. I cannot. I almost sent you a screen grab, too.

[Chase Daniel]

Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

I can't tell you how many texts I got of. Just tell Chase it's one game. It's one game. You know, But I was like, well, this is what we do.

[Chase Daniel]

Like, I got freak out. I got excited. And I think it's football because I, I like work. I like breaking down film. Right. So when I. And I'm like, almost like a fan, but, like, I have an intimate knowledge of the game based on my background. So when I see finally, a rookie quarterback doing something actually on the field and it looks good and he's progressing progress from college, I get pumped and fans get pumped. So all these GMs and all these coaches and all that stuff, you can pipe down because I'm going to continue to celebrate the game.

[James Palmer]

I like what Chase says just because I have a little bit of an educated knowledge of 14 years in the NFL.

[Diana Rossini]

But what do I.

[James Palmer]

What do I know? This is the, this is the one Chase that I have been very fascinated to watch, and that's Jackson Dart, specifically because of who he's working with, with Brian Dabel. And I remember having so many conversations with Bill's general manager, Brandon Bean, about what Day Ball did in the early portion of Josh Allen's career. And what he did specifically with Josh that first year when they didn't really want to play him as much as they did. And then he found a way throughout the season to find ways to make Josh Allen effective. I kind of felt small sample size. That's what they did with Jackson Dart of these are the things that he does well and this is how we're going to set him up to succeed.

[Chase Daniel]

Well, quarterback draw first of all. Right. Like they ran a freaking quarterback draw with him. He got two balls batted at the line of scrimmage. He does have a little bit lower release. When you watch the game though and watch it through. He got a decent amount of snaps. The number one thing that I saw from Jackson Dart was one. His escapability. Right. That. That's always been something I think that a lot of people didn't talk about. Almost like Bo Nicks two years ago.

[James Palmer]

The.

[Chase Daniel]

The athletic abilities a lot more better than you probably think.

[James Palmer]

Yeah.

[Chase Daniel]

And then two James and I broke it down on social media and I. And I caught this and it really was difficult to catch. You saw on his touchdown play, right? His touchdown throw, him getting smoked, him throwing a perfect ball down the. You did not see. I promise you. Check it out. He checks to a go ball and he audibles a go route to the left. He taps his hip and he able to go back there. So you get a change of protection, a change of play in audible. You're getting smoked and you fire the football down the field. 30 yards. A perfect touchdown to me in a first game. In a rookie I would have never even remotely tried it. I know I suck and everyone like all that stuff but like that's what. That's what day ball wants to see. It was exceptional.

[Diana Rossini]

So the question remains because everyone wants to know do you think it's actually a true competition? And. And I. I'm going to stay with. Despite the fact that I think we saw some bright spots here that this is gonna be Russell Wilson. There's. They don't have any. No doubt to put Jackson's art out there just yet. I think they just got to keep growing. But they. They. Even though Dables called it a mid performance, I think he was downplaying a.

[Chase Daniel]

Bit key word for you just yet.

[James Palmer]

Exactly. That's what I was gonna say. Chase, Diana, what it is going to be Russell Wilson. I don't think that has changed. Yeah but for how long? That's the question now. And if he keeps growing in increments, how much does that possible start date for Jackson Dark Keep creeping closer towards middle of the season, towards the only.

[Diana Rossini]

Thing that gives me hesitation about the Giants decision making on it. And trust me, I'm not this person that thinks, oh, you got to roll out the rookie because you picked them up, etc, but look at New England last year. Remember with Drake May there and Jacoby Brissette and we were screaming from the mountaintops like what? Why are you playing Jacoby? Just play the kid. Just think about how further along, how much further along Drake May would be if he maybe had those first team reps all through camp. And I mean, he did, he did a little bit during camp but you know, had him at the start of the season. So look, Brian Dable I think has to be elated that this kid is showing some, some swag and may even be better than, than what we expected. But so yeah, it's still going to be Russell.

[Chase Daniel]

I think so too. And I think, I think like October you're seeing Jackson Dart. And the reason I say that is they want this Russell Wilson guy who's going to be a hall of Famer, I mean to this early season stretch of schedule. Okay, Commanders, Cowboys, Chiefs, Chargers, Saints. Okay, Eagles, Broncos, Eagles. Like what? And then they get the 49ers. They probably have, if not the toughest, one of the toughest schedules in all football. So you don't want to throw a rookie quarterback to the wolves.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, that's a great point. Great point. Great point. Listen, speaking of young quarterbacks, let's just want to say out there, Spencer Rattler birthday, September 28th, same as Tyler Shook. So on the 28th we'll have a special Spencer Rattler episode, Tyler Shook episode in honor of their birthdays. We'll all cancel everything we're doing and make sure that we put that out for Spencer since he's an avid listener. Dynamite debut voyage. Guys. I really think we really hit hit on something here. I think we did. I think we did. Any notes for me real quick before we go that you have for me?

[Chase Daniel]

No, you were great.

[James Palmer]

Okay, great.

[Diana Rossini]

Apparently you're the best looking guy on the show. So.

[James Palmer]

So Robert Redford looks according to Chase. Daniel. Appreciate everybody watching. Appreciate everybody tuning in. We got a dynamite episode coming up on Wednesday. I'm really excited for the conversation that's called a tease in the business for Diana Rossini. Chase, Daniel, James Palmer. This was another edition of Scoop City.

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