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Yeah, it just it I get in my head a little bit when I get cards from people that I'm surprised they send it to me. Like huh. Either a they just have a big list and they're not really Looking at it or updating it or B, oh, they like me again.
James Palmer
Welcome into Scoop City on a Monday. I'm James Palmer. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Do both. If you do one, that's fine. We had a massive week 16 of games. We're going to tell you who's now officially in the postseason, who's still in the hunt, who's still alive and what it would take for them to, to get into the post season and maybe who impressed us in week 16 to take that team to another level. And we should start being believers. In this episode, we are going to break down the Jacksonville Jaguars. I was at that game. I've been a believer. Maybe some other people are. Now that they've taken down the Denver Broncos, here come the Chicago Bears. The game on Saturday everybody's talking about with their win over Green Bay. And it's slim, slim chances right now for the Ravens, for the Lions, for, for the Packers. But there is a spot down there at the end of the nfc. I'm joined by Dan Orsini, the senior athletic and senior insider for the athletic. There we go. Strike that reverse at Willy Wonka. Diana, if I was able to tell you that all of this happened this weekend, what would jump out at you the most? Ready? The Patriots clinched a playoff spot. The Eagles won the NFC East. First time we've had back to back winners since 2004. The Panthers are now in first place in the NFC South. The Bears and Niners clinched playoff spots. And there's only one open wild card spot in the nfc. Two open playoff spots. The other one, though, will go to either the Bucks or Panthers, whoever wins that division.
Diana Rossini
Six. None of my Christmas shopping is complete. I'd pick six. I'd actually. The 49ers clinching the playoff spot is one of those when that came together and I think the NFL was actually the first to like put it out, to reveal it, even though we were all kind of keeping track. But as you know, it's so hard to kind of do all the different situations. Yeah, I think that one just gets me because I can't believe they made the playoffs with, with the amount of injuries they had. I kind of stopped thinking about them halfway through the year. And yet here they are again, just fighting. I don't know how deep of a playoff run they'll make. Let's be realistic. But the fact that they've been doing this with. With as many injuries and as banged up as they've been with all these missing pieces, lots of credit to them. But, James, something. I know that you were at the Broncos Jags game, and I. I know you also consume games on the weekends sometimes, and you sit at home. And the way I do. It's impossible to get things done when there's games on Saturday and Sunday. And it's a time of year where, like, we have to do things. So I come up with, like, jobs to do in front of my TV that I think I'm multitasking, you know, so I don't feel so guilty that I spent hours on the couch.
James Palmer
Yeah.
Diana Rossini
Like, dumping my purse and going through my stuff. I redo my makeup kits. Like, the dumbest things that don't need anything, you know? Whereas it's like, it'd be great if I went in the backyard and probably picked up all the sticks that fell from some storm we had recently, or if I went in the basement, actually cleaned up some toys, but it's just so hard.
James Palmer
It's impossible. And I would like to say I do most of my Christmas shopping while I'm watching games on, like, a Saturday or watching games or whatever. I'm sitting there on Amazon just kind of, like, looking up and down and doing my shopping. I love that you pick up sticks, by the way. My mom used to give us Taco Bell when we were kids if we picked up sticks. Me and my buddy Cummins. You mentioned this Jacksonville Jaguars game. I just want to say that there was a reason Mike Silver and I were at this game. And you go read Silver's article about the Jacksonville Jaguars, who take down the Broncos and they win that game. Diana. 34 to 20. The Broncos hadn't lost at home since October of last year. I believe they've won 12 straight. This is a Jacksonville Jaguars team.
Diana Rossini
They.
James Palmer
That is coming. And let me kind of take you inside that locker room and outside of it, Diana, because this is what I gleaned. It was a lot of guys coming off the field, more or less saying, two guys sprinted past me going, we tried to tell you. We tried to tell you this is what we are. And guys even saying, what do we need now for the one seed? What do we need now for the one seed? Like, that's where their mentality is. They've taken this disrespect and they've embraced it. Not every year you have an opportunity to kind of grab onto something like this. Liam Cohen has grabbed onto it and. And they are in a spot. Right. That is pretty special.
Diana Rossini
Well, this is perfect. Let's do this. Since we're talking about Holiday gifts that we haven't shopped for. Let's pretend we're shopping now, okay? And let's do sort of like a wish list for some teams that we hope they, they get maybe even this week in order for them to have success over the next few weeks and perhaps in the playoffs. So the point you just make about the Jags, what sticks out to me is they've really leaned into the Petty and I love it. Like, I love the fact that they took Sean Payton's words of calling them a small market in his press conference this past week, and you talked about this on the show a few weeks ago, that Liam Cohen loves the fact that everyone has doubted them and is completely used it as bulletin board material and in a way to fuel his team. So for me, I want the Jacks to stay that way. Like, just keep leaning into the fact that nobody cares about them. Lean into the fact that everyone says they're small town, they're a little city, they're a franchise. Nobody wants their London's team, whatever it is that people say about them, because it works. And I think, why change now? They know what they are. Even when the CBS had up the brackets right of the way this is laying out, and I saw the Jags up there and I even said to myself, as someone that covers football, holy crap, the Jags have won a lot of games. Like it's just about it every week.
James Palmer
Yeah, it's unbelievable if you think about this. I mentioned number one seed. If the Jags win out and they have, I believe the Colts and the Titans, I think if they win out and the Broncos and Patriots each lose a game, they can get the number one seed. Like they could be the number one seed. The AFC could go through Jacksonville. I wanted to mention this, and this is exactly why they're winning these football games. I was standing on the sideline pre game talking to Tony Boseli, who's now in his like 98th role with the organization. And he's in a much larger one and has a much larger say. And he was like, you won't be in our building if you don't love football. It's just, it's just not going to happen. We started getting rid of guys and we're starting to really come together with what we've done. And he named two players to me. And I want to mention Jacoby Myers won was easy for them. They knew what type of player he was. He said we needed a couple of weeks to just solidify what we thought about him. And what he brings to our offense and we gave him the contract extension already because we were that sure about him and what he brings in terms of bringing this whole group together and the pro he is and how smart he is and the football he loves. The other one, Diana, you wouldn't know. Tim Patrick was the other one that he brought up to me. Journeyman wide receiver. I believe he's in Detroit. Last year I talked to Tim after the game because of this conversation. He said, I asked to come to Detroit. I mean, asked to come to Jacksonville. I asked to be traded here because of what I thought this team could become. And Bacelli told me these are the type of guys that are glue guys. And Tim mentioned it. There might be guys on this team that may not have super high ceilings, but what we have is a bunch of guys that they know exactly what they're going to get from. And when you coach those type of players, sometimes it's easier because they know every Sunday what everybody's going to bring. And I thought that was a fascinating way that Tim Patrick looked at. He said, now you bring Jacoby Myers into it. Parker Washington's in one on one, favorable matchups all the time. He made the two biggest plays of the game, breaking that tackle from riley moss going 63 yards down the field. He said, everybody just does their job because it's a lot of really use some colorful language, really bleeping good football players in this locker room.
Diana Rossini
Couple things we've talked about building good programs, places that know what they want to be are the ones that are having success. And I don't think we ever include Jacksonville because they're new and over the years they haven't been good. They've been competitive at times. But I was having a conversation with someone in the league this morning about Jacksonville and they were making a point of they've always been a talented team. How could you not be? You're picking in the top 10 every year for the last decade or so. You know, their skill there. They just needed the right people to lead them. And Liam Cones done such a great job. James Gladstone, the general manager, and Tony Biselli. I had a conversation actually with an owner earlier last week about how difficult it is to figure out how these coaches implement what they want outside of their office. Right. Because a lot of these head coaches that go through these interviews can sell a certain thing and it sounds good and it sounds like it's going to work and you believe in it and you get behind it and then it doesn't always Carry over to the field doesn't carry over to the organization as a whole. Right. And this, the same owner actually used Jacksonville as an example of the setup that may work now in 2025 and moving on. Meaning you've got the Bacelli and you mentioned he's had all these different jobs within the organization. He's done all these things and plus he's just got a. He's got. He understands what good teams do. Then you have James Gladstone, who obviously has. Is the brains and it comes from the Rams and the way they do things. They are learning under Les snead and Sean McVeigh and watching the way they do things there and then how aggressive they are. You know, right before the trade deadline, remember I kept saying to you, they are dying to make a move. They want to do something. Right. Because that's. That's the world they come from.
James Palmer
We exchanged a lot of texts about things that those Jags were trying to do. Remember that during the deadline.
Diana Rossini
Yes, they were. Because they were like, bored. I want to do like mini Howie's. Like, I want to do something. Yes.
James Palmer
Sit on your hands, Howie.
Diana Rossini
It's just. It's such a good sign for this new chapter of Jacksonville. And look, I don't think Sean Peyton actually meant to say as a slight against Jacksonville. I don't think he went up there to be like, oh, I'm just going to put them down. I think Sean was actually talking about Jacksonville the way I think a lot of people around the league see it and coaches that are looking for jobs and are taking into account a lot of things that. That a market can supply. Jacksonville is never. Has never really been a spot a lot of coaches want to go coach at because it is smaller. So I don't think it was ill intended, but obviously they used it. It worked. But just the fact that I'm saying to you right now at the end of December, that Jacksonville setup right behind the scenes and the way they're doing things and the way they're leaning is a great example around the league is this. It's just, I guess an applause or at least credit to Shad Khan who helped put this together.
James Palmer
That's a great call. Really well put. I didn't think of it that way, but I think, you know, the two dynamics between Bacelli and Gladstone and the way they work together, because you have.
Diana Rossini
A little John lynch element there. Right. Because that really works in San Francisco. John from. From years of being around him and talking to people there, he brings that player perspective the hall of Fame caliber type of mentality of what it takes mixed with Kyle, who really runs the show there in Jacksonville, they have a little bit of that mixed. You know, you got Bacelli with Gladstone, the brains. And then, of course, Liam Cohn's got just such a good feel for his team.
James Palmer
Yeah, it's outstanding. And Basely has a ton of trust from Shot Khan. I think that's a big part of this as well. Why, Phil, you mentioned how. Yeah, I am happy because I have been talking to the Jazz. I have been bringing them up quite a bit. I appreciate us having this conversation. And by the way, they're doing it without the guy they traded up to the number two spot to get in. Travis Hunter. I saw him actually in the tunnel on crutches, full knee brace. Coming back from that knee surgery. Still not putting any weight on it. I will say this. He asked to come on this trip. I was told he kind of came on his own, wanted to come out to Colorado and be with the team and I guess be close to Colorado, where he was.
Diana Rossini
You always find out that stuff. I never think to ask that. You've been so smart by you. All right, so give me that.
James Palmer
Like, Broncos wish list.
Diana Rossini
Broncos team better than anyone.
James Palmer
Yeah, the wish list for this Broncos team because remember, they have two games remaining. They if they win them both, they get the number one seed and they have Kansas City and they have the Chargers. And so they really do still control their own destiny. Destiny. They really were upset about this one. Working that locker room after the game. This is it. They're excited that they have a quick turnaround. I was joking with a couple of players, not really joking, but they were like, I wish we played another sport. Like, I wish we played basketball or baseball. And like, you play, you don't play so well. You didn't execute the way you wanted to. You play again. These, like baseball players, you go for four, you play the next day. We got to wait. We're excited. We don't have to wait. That they play on Christmas against Kansas City because they thought defensively, that was the specific part that jumped out at me. This is a. Defense has been a little leaky over the last couple of weeks, and they thought they got pressure with four Diana. But then they started doing some different blitz stuff and just didn't execute it well, didn't tackle well. I think they had, like, more than 10 missed tackles. And I was just kind of told, we play that way, we're not going to win football games. We can get Back on track against Kansas City very quickly with, with some of the issues we had on the defensive side. So I want them. My wish list is a memory like a goldfish. Let's forget this game. Let's go right into this game against Kansas City. Let's fix the things, execution wise, tackling wise, on the defensive side of ball. And there's another little thing that's come up with them and, and I've been kind of mentioned this to, you know, in that locker room when they get a bad penalty and they are one of the most penalized teams in football, they came into this game with over eight penalties a game. Only team worst, Jacksonville, actually, when they get a bad penalty, they get down and they give up big plays after penalties. So let's have a short memory there as well when we have these penalties.
Diana Rossini
I like the hybrid of the memory there and it can work. And I like the fact that they're leading into I can't wait to play on Christmas. Like, let's get back out there. So you know how we talked about New England last week after Buffalo? We were like, all right, I know it's weird to say and coaches and players don't want to hear it, but sometimes you can have some good losses, right? Because then you can really amplify, magnify the mistakes and, and you focus in on them so much, you actually really start making better improvements. I mean, look at, look at like everyday life, right? Like whenever you're struggling, it forces you to lock in just slightly more because nobody likes that stinky feeling. I don't know, maybe for Denver this is good, right? They were riding high. You've got a coach that believes in them so much. Maybe, maybe they were smelling the roses a little too much. And this is just going to give, you know, this team some grit back for Christmas Day, so. And look, they love playing the Chiefs. Even if it's not the Patrick Mahomes Chiefs, it's still enough to get them motivated. So I like that short term memory then.
James Palmer
Great, great point. And you know, it's funny because that ties us into what we got to next. Some, some guys in that locker room are saying, hey, if we have our misstep now, it's better now than in our first playoff game, right? That we roll in and then we make the mistake then and we're eliminating, our season's over. You mentioned something about the variable you saw the Mike Vrabel you saw maybe on Monday after that game against Buffalo and you were kind of like, I feel like he Was maybe in a better mood than I was expecting, remember? And I'm kind of curious what he maybe thought with the way his team was rolling. They lose to Buffalo, they come back and they bounce back and win this one where they were down 11 with 10 to go, and they beat the Ravens. Who. What do you see from the New England Patriots? What kind of wish list thing do you like about New England about what you saw with this game? And now they are in the postseason.
Diana Rossini
This was a character win for the Patriots because I think there were a lot of questions about who they really were or who they really are at their core. I think a lot of people have leaned on the schedule. I think people think they've had a little bit of luck on some situations, and in some things, maybe Drake is not as good as we think, and he's just getting by on some of this. So he has the worst game of his season against the Bills, and he was very open about it, like, anything. I watched him do, like, interviews. I think Sunday. Yeah, Sunday night had something with him with McCourty, and he. He was pretty open. Like, yeah, that was not great. So I remember watching that thinking, like, well, he's just adding more pressure to himself now, right? Because he admitted it wasn't good. So he. He better be able to bounce. And that's exactly what he did. I feel like I learned more about Drake, Mag and Subaltern Ravens than I did in any other game this season because he was accepting the pressure. He wanted to be the clutch guy on top of the fact that he just bounced off a really bad game that he played that they lost in. I noticed Mike Vrabel was happier on all the appearances he did earlier in the week. Yet after the game, the Patriots posted the post game video. And I don't really think he looked that happy. Like, he actually looked almost unsatisfied. And I think that was because I don't think the goal is the Baltimore Ravens anymore for the Patriots. Like, I don't think that's what it is. Whereas, like, in the summer, we would look at the Ravens on the schedule and be like, oh, I wonder if they could beat them, you know, oh, my gosh. Derek Henry, Lamar Jackson. This is to win the division. And I think that's what they have their eye on. Yes, the playoff thing. I almost think they didn't even know about the playoffs. They were like, what? You know, because just the way the math worked last night, no one can keep up with it.
James Palmer
But.
Diana Rossini
But I like that. I believe in the Patriots more than I ever did this year. I know I've been down on them a lot because I just didn't expect them to be this good. But much like Dory, my memory is going to be very short here. I'm gonna forgive myself for that because now I'm all in on the New England Patriots.
James Palmer
I love that you're all in. I. I love it. I think Drake May has put himself back into that conversation, possibly for mvp as we kind of eliminated him like we did one week, and then we throw him back into the mix. He's playing outstanding. I love the way that that entire group is playing for Mike Fraeblin. I feel like that's all part of Mike's style of coaching, right? The way he's good from ahead.
Diana Rossini
Like, I don't think he wants to be the lead dog, you know, I think he, like, likes to make his team Chase. They've got eight different injuries during the game. Morgan Moses is going back out there after he was already taken out of the game with injury, but he's playing through it. They fight for each other. Cardi B and Steph are partying afterwards. Can you tell by the way? I'm, like, way too into their. Like, my Instagram is filled with players that they're doing, and I really need to stop. But you learn so much about them this way. It's access you can't really get anywhere else. Which, by the way, it makes it really challenging to go back to the coach of the year conversation, which I'm sure will pepper back in the rest of the pod. But, like, I don't know, after that Bears win, is it Ben Johnson, the 49ers in the playoffs? Is it Kyle Shanahan, Mike Vrabel doing something we. You know, I don't know if we expected it to be this good. I don't know.
James Palmer
Is it Liam Cohen? Is it, like, throw him in the mix? Like, I mean, there's just. The list is actually very long. You could say D'. Amico. Ryan's after an O and three start.
Diana Rossini
Mike McDonald.
James Palmer
Houston Mike McDonald out there in Seattle. It's. It's a long list. We mentioned him before, too. Sean Payton could be in the conversation, certainly with what he's done with that team. Now there was another team in that game, obviously. Diana, things have not gone the Ravens way, the way this season has gone, specifically for Lamar Jackson and the health of this team and the health of their quarterback. He leaves with that issue with his back. We'll see what happens moving forward. Just Another injury for Lamar Jackson. So my wish list, honestly, thing for the Ravens was going to be when we discussed this, an MVP quarterback. Because they've had an MVP quarterback almost every season. Lamar has been a starter. You could almost say he's in the MVP conversation all of those years if he was playing that way this year and he was healthy this year. With the landscape of the afc, I'm curious what the Ravens could be and the Ravens could be and we may just not get a chance to see it. And that's kind of the bummer of it.
Diana Rossini
Something feels off about them.
James Palmer
Something does.
Diana Rossini
And there's chatter and there's gossip, and we're reporters. We talk to people around the league and it's shared. I think a lot of people are looking at the Baltimore Ravens, wondering what's going on there. Is there something more than just this team not being consistent all year long, having some problems on defense but then improving, not having a great run game, but then also having a really good run game? Like, they're just. They haven't put together a game that makes you go, oh, my gosh, this is the Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry that I've been scared of. Not the way we saw it last year, at least. So, you know, I think we'll continue to learn more about them.
James Palmer
That's a really good point. Just to let you know that any Ravens loss or Steelers win over the final two weeks will eliminate Baltimore from playoff contention, winning the division race. So they're really hanging on by a thread here with Lamar Jackson. And you're right, and I know you've done the same thing. This is the time of year, really quickly, where we talk to these coaches that could potentially, you know, in this hiring cycle, whether it's coordinators and who they might be pairing up with and who they're talking to and what they think they might get in terms of interviews. When I talk to these candidates, Diana, I'm curious if it's the same as you. There's three teams they look at going well, if Stefanski leaves the Browns or Tomlin leaves the Steelers or Harbaugh leaves the the Ravens, that throws what we're all looking at into a bit of a loop compared to what we think we are. And that's why I think everybody's kind of looking at the Ravens, because all these candidates are curious. If any one of those three names becomes available, that changes their chances of potentially landing one of these jobs, because those guys could be available. It's fascinating. So that brings us to the Steelers. They Win one of the most insane finishes we've seen in recent memory. 29, 24 over the Lions. And I had to watch this like multiple times because it happened right at the end of when I'm working these locker rooms in Denver between the Jaguars and the Broncos. And I'm watching it back on my laptop in the press box with my headphones in over and over again. I'm like, wow, nobody in that building knew that the Lions had lost. With the way that that was announced from Carl Jeffers, the lead referee, like it was the play as a touchdown. It was so loud, to my understanding that nobody really heard the rest of what he was saying.
Diana Rossini
I was watching. So let me tell you how it, how I viewed it.
James Palmer
Yeah, give me your experience.
Diana Rossini
Only had that game up.
James Palmer
Okay.
Diana Rossini
First of all, it took way too long. It should not take that long for the refs to figure that out. And by the way, that's just not my opinion. That's from people I talked to today in the NFL, like coaches, players were like, what was that about? Like, such people that were playing at that time. We're asking like, what happened there. So that's my first issue. My second issue is the way it kind of came together and how confusing it was. Obviously Nance and Romeo are. Do a great job. They're the number one team. But Tony kept kind of calling out what it was, but they weren't sure. And it's the whole. I'm not trying to cover the media here, Andrew Marchand, but I don't think they were doing their best job explaining to us at home what was going on. I was trying to read Jared Goff's lips because he was trying to talk to the officials.
James Palmer
They kept pushing him out.
Diana Rossini
He kept going in, by the way, like, that is what you do. Like good for Jared Goff. Like influence, influence, influence. Get in there, get by the way. That is some of my favorite things that players do of when they just assume and, and try to make everyone believe in something and do some of the acting like some people were accusing Jalen Ramsey of, you know, the, the total pullback, you know, And Aaron Rodgers is sitting there chilling, waiting for the thing. Look, it, it was, it was confusing. But then once they sorted it out, it made. It made all the sense in the world. But what a devastating way to do it. What a devastating way to end in a must win game, really, for the Detroit lines who had every opportunity to win that game, who at times seemed like the better team. Right. Like it wasn't one of These are. It's like. It's so obvious. The Steelers are better. You know, when you watch some of these games and just, you know, you can't ha. It can't be hidden. This was like, the Lions have a shot. They should be better, but they just came up short.
James Palmer
Yeah. Yeah, it's. It's wild. And now Pittsburgh's in a situation to where, before they even play on Sunday, they could be into the postseason. If the Ravens lose their game on Saturday, they're just in before they even play the Browns on that Sunday coming up. And there's another. As we're talking about watching the screen and the replays and seeing replays from every angle, there was an altercation with DK Metcalf and a fan. Yeah.
Diana Rossini
It was so crazy because cbs, okay, this is where CBS was fantastic on it. Their cameras caught it.
James Palmer
This is the benefit of the number one crew. I don't know if everybody knows this. When you have the number one crew, there are more cameras, There are more eyeballs, There are more trucks. If you're at a stadium, there's more. Just stuff in the building because the broadcast is larger.
Diana Rossini
So, for example, this Netflix game that I'm working on, Vikings, the CBS production crew is doing the game, right? So the people that I've been communicating with, they're all CBS people. So they told me that on a normal game, they've got, like, 15 to 20 cameras.
James Palmer
Okay.
Diana Rossini
For Christmas Day, they're gonna have 45.
Chris Murphy
Whoa.
James Palmer
What?
Diana Rossini
You're literally gonna get a shot of every single person, even in the stands. You're gonna get everyone, like, skull, dude.
James Palmer
Diana, don't pick your nose. They're gonna have a camera on you the entire time.
Diana Rossini
I fit right in. I'm covering the Lions. They like to celebrate by picking their nose.
James Palmer
Yeah, it was in your article. Yeah.
Diana Rossini
Although on Sunday, it was picking earwax. Is what they've changed now because I guess they just want to keep it. They just want to keep it gross there. I. I gotta ask St. Brown that. Like, what. What that's about. So, look, I. I think for the Steelers side of this, the. Well, D.K. beck. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to change something. Yeah. So, um, I'm in touch right now with some people in the league office and with the Pittsburgh Steelers to find out what's going on here. Most are expecting a. A. A very big fine. But I think a lot of the conversation that people are having right now is how come in the game, the Steelers didn't do anything why didn't Mike Tomlin get informed by someone in communication, somebody from, you know, the league office to call down to. To their head of comms and let Mike Tomlin eventually know here during the game? But they obviously didn't do anything. They didn't do anything about it. DK played in the game. But, you know, I don't. I don't think it would be surprising if there was a suspension.
James Palmer
Yeah, yeah, we're taping this Monday afternoon at about noon. So obviously that's where this, this is going down. Maybe new information does transpire after that. And remember, he was not flagged within the game from the officiating crew. Right, Diana. So he can't be ejected from the game, even though the camera saw it, because there was no infraction seen by the officiating crew, which was a part of it. I'm going to give you my wish situation here for the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are still very much alive in terms of postseason play. And that's a healthy defensive tackle, Derek Harmon, their rookie. And I went and looked at this. He missed the last four games, and I had heard some rumblings where it was like, hey, there's not the same run defense without him on the field. And it's funny when you have this expensive defense, the most expensive in football, all these huge names, and it's like, we're not the same. With our first round pick who just entered the league at the 21st overall spot, a spot that a lot of people thought maybe they'd pick Shore Sanders, our quarterback, but no, they went with Derek Harmon and in the games without him, Diana, they're giving up 165.6 yards on the ground. The game with him, they're giving up 87.9 yards a game on the ground. They hold this Lions team with Sonic and knuckles to 15 yards rushing onto the ground. If they can stop the run and run the football, I think they very much, well, could be, you know, showing themselves as a real playoff team. I'm not sure if they'll win a game. It's been a minute. But they do seem different if they can do those two things. And Kenneth Gainwell, by the way, catch of the year, you think?
Diana Rossini
I mean, what, like, yeah, that was unbelievable. Yeah, that game, that game was so chaotic.
James Palmer
Wild.
Diana Rossini
I think Tracy even asked Aaron Rodgers after the game about. It was like, like, explain that. And he was like, it was chaos. Because that. It just. It had all these weird things for my, for my wish list, though, for the lines. Let's. Let's give us a Christmas miracle, something spectacular. You know, that that's exciting and fun. And they need a win. And they're gonna need some help from the packers, too, because they need the packers to lose. I guess it's not help from the Packers. They need the, the Detroit Lions need to win out and they need the the packers to lose the next two games in order for them to go dance in the postseason. So disappointing year, though, if. Because it did feel like that was it last year. Last night it did it Sunday night felt like it was it for the Detroit Lions. But we'll say there's still a chance. You never know.
James Palmer
You're right. It is. It was an offense that has put up so many points this year.
Diana Rossini
Number one just. Yeah, I mean, but that was the problem. Their stars weren't scoring on Sunday. They were not. And Dan Campbell made those adjustments in game and started to obviously get Jared Goff to give the ball to others. But they couldn't rely on their main players. That are usually reasons why they're, you know, they're having success. You know, when Gibbs scores a touchdown up into this game, every time Jameer Gibbs scored a touchdown, they were eight and l right. And last night he scored a touchdown and now they're 8 and 1 every time he scores a touchdown. But it just goes to show you how impactful he's been this year.
James Palmer
No, he's been incredible. I'm kind of curious what he's going to get paid this offseason. It's going to be a massive, lucrative contract extension. Coming up on Scoop City on a Monday, we're going to talk about the NFC a little bit. The playoff picture is far different now than it was before these week, 16 games. And man, what happened on Saturday night between the Bears and the Packers. We'll break it all down on Scoop City on a Monday, coming up next.
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Welcome back to Scoop City on a Monday. James Palmer, Diana Rossini with you and Saturday night there I am at Tom's Watch Bar, Diana in downtown Denver, standing next to our BFF Michael Silver and we are going nuts in the middle of a packed bar of packers and Bears fans. I mean, people were running around after the Caleb Williams touchdown. I mean, they are second in the NFC right now. The. The Bears pull off one again with Caleb Williams. There's something. It feels that's special with this team. Can you put your finger on it? With what Ben Johnson has done with this quarterback in this team, in the way that they're winning these games, is this.
Diana Rossini
Is this the best Bears win of the century?
James Palmer
Yeah.
Diana Rossini
Like, maybe I'm saying that to be kind of dramatic and hyperbolic, but when you ask me what is this team about, that's how I feel. I feel insane. Because they're insane. Right? Like, every single game is, like, if I'm a Bears fan, I would just be in a pool of sweat at all time because it just. It's so up and down, yet they keep coming out on the other side. They keep winning these games. So it definitely feels just like this sort of streak of luck.
James Palmer
Right.
Diana Rossini
But it's good. That's okay. Like, winning teams will always tell you luck definitely plays a factor in this. I'm not saying that's all it. Right. Like, I think we both agree Caleb Williams has grown a lot, and Ben Johnson's been the best thing for him. We talked about the lines before. I mean, I was thinking that watching Lions game, like, man, they must. They must miss Ben a lot. Right. Watching what Chicago's doing. So Ben's come in there and has quickly turned this thing around, which is why he's up for coach of the year, and he's got these guys believing it's. It could be weird and corny and all those things, but it's working. So do you hear how loud. I mean, you probably couldn't hear how loud it was because you were at the bar where it was loud.
James Palmer
Yes.
Diana Rossini
But when you were listening to the game, like, it was. It was wild. It was awesome. It was awesome. So, for me, I just think this Bears team may give you a heart attack, but at the same time, like, they're also giving you some hope that they. They may be able to. To do this. I don't know what's going to happen in the postseason with them, but ride it out.
James Palmer
Yeah. Let me ask you this, because there's. There's something that stood out to me, and I'm watching on this giant screen, Caleb Williams throws that ball to DJ Moore, and he lets it go and then just puts his hands in the ham warmer and just watched it and I was like, this dude is as cold as ice. Like, my point with that is, who.
Diana Rossini
Started that, by the way?
James Palmer
I don't know. But my point, that is, do we already trust Caleb Williams in big moments, in closing moments of games? More so than we, like, still have questions about Sam Darnold in those moments or say, a Daniel Jones in those moments?
Diana Rossini
Do you trust Caleb Williams to win a game for you more than you trust a veteran quarterback like a Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones?
James Palmer
Yeah.
Diana Rossini
Right now, Absolutely. He's proven it isn't that. Look at how many times they won. Chicago has more wins this season when they trailed inside of two minutes, six, than it did all of 24 with five. Right. Like, he has something about him. There's something clutch that he likes, you know, like he wants to be put under pressure. And he comes. He comes through. He, you know, he said, they practice that play during the week, and it just worked. Like, it just worked. That was not an easy throw.
James Palmer
No, it was a great throw and a great catch. Yeah, just. Just outside. I know a lot of things fell their way, obviously. So let's talk about the other side of it. When you look at what happened with Green Bay, you lose Jordan Love, you can't recover an onsides kick, which everybody I'm talking to on the Jaguars side that on Sunday, this is all anybody's talking about in Denver pregame, by the way, with either team. Like, did you see the Bears packed? Like, what the hell happened? Everybody's like, you can't recover an onsides kick anymore. That just doesn't happen. But it did. And there's a drop on a fourth down from Malik Willis. And so I know a lot of things fell the wrong way for the packers. And we keep hearing the same little conversation, Diana, about Matt LaFleur. And I think Matt Schneidman, who covers the packers for us, has done it brilliantly on this show several times about breaking it down and what Matt's future is. But the funny part is with him not getting a contract extension before the start of the season and this being a legitimate super bowl contender, anybody I ask around the league about this upcoming coaching cycle goes, that would be insane if they moved from Matt LaFleur. Like, why would you do that? Have you heard the exact same things?
Diana Rossini
Silver walked out of the game with Sean Payton last weekend or two weekends ago and was talking to Peyton about LaFleur. It was when they play the Packers. Yeah, that's what it was. He was. It was the Broncos beat the Packers And Mike was just sharing that. You know, there was some chatter that maybe Matt, because he didn't get his contract extension, would, you know, would be in trouble. And Sean was like, what? Like, you know, like, what are you talking about? And there are a lot of people around the league who have tremendous respect for what Matt LaFleur can do as a coach, as a offensive play caller. He has done an exceptional job. And I think it could be one of those situations where you almost don't even realize what you have. You know, let's just say for this pretend story.
James Palmer
Okay, give me a pretend for.
Diana Rossini
They say, you know what? We need to change whatever their. Whatever their excuse would be. You're not winning. You're not getting us to the super bowl. Like, we're building this team to do in their minds. Who are you. Who are you hiring out of the group right now? Because could you imagine if the New York Giants thought they had a shot at Matt LaFleur? They would have whatever plan they got going on right now in that building. They would kick it and light it on fire and go get Matt LaFleur. Yeah.
James Palmer
Everybody regroup. Somebody stalk Matt LaFleur to his car in the parking lot in Green Bay.
Diana Rossini
Yeah. And we're not overstating this. Like, there are a lot of people in the NFL who listen to this podcast, and I will tell you, they will probably. This will be the most common thing they reach out about. Like, yep, you are absolutely right about Matt LaFleur. Like, he's just one of those coaches that when he made that jump from offensive coordinator from the Tennessee Titans into the Green Bay packers, on the flip side of this, there was a lot of reaction of, whoa, this may be too big of a job for Matt. There's no way. Almost the way. When Sean McVay was hired at 30 years old from the Rams of, no, no, no. Too big of a job. Both have had so much success, obviously, Sean doing a lot better with getting a Super Bowl. He's got the quarterback and Matt having success when Aaron Rodgers was there and developing Jordan Love here and trying to find it. But I think Green Bay would be. I would be just very disappointed if that's what. What they thought was the better move for them. But you never. You never know, James. We do this all the time. There's always that one that makes you go, huh?
James Palmer
There's always the one shocker. It always.
Diana Rossini
You know, I had a coach recently say, who's going to be the shocker this year? We went through, like, every team and and it's just like you just. It's crazy to think that there's people. But look, sometimes it works out. We've seen it before where teams fire guys that you think, no, that wasn't a good idea. And then they go on and hire the new person and it works out. But you know what I always think about, too? Just like Liam Cohen having so much success in Jacksonville and all that drama with Tampa Bay last year. Remember all that?
James Palmer
Oh, yeah. Sneaking out in the dead of night.
Diana Rossini
I remember talking to people in Tampa and the stuff they were saying, they were so mad. That was so drama. Oh, I hope we have one of those again.
James Palmer
Yeah, that was an entertaining one. Man, that Jacksonville job had a different perception to it throughout the entire course of the process. So you mentioned the shocker. I would say every coach I've talked to would all be shocked if that ended up happening. But you never know what transpires at the end of a season. How about this? The Carolina Panthers, we don't talk about them very often, but when they go and play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a team that has won the division three straight seasons in a row, they start five and one down there in Tampa. Remember, Diana, we were having that conversation going. Is Baker Mayfield a legitimate MVP candidate? Is he going to get a massive contract extension this offseason as he's due for maybe another raise? Is this a real super bowl contender? And now they are no longer leading the NFC south with the Carolina Panthers now atop the division. Now, the division's still not decided, but what is your take on the Carolina Panthers and the job Dave Canales has done? And more specifically, as I mentioned, off season quarterback kind of contracts, a decision needs to be made about Bryce Young and his fifth year option this off season as well.
Diana Rossini
Well, for the Buccaneers, a little concerned that this is how they bounce back after Todd Bowles went nuts after Thursday Night Football using the F bomb. More than not, Todd Bowles like I combined in a year, which is a lot like, man, if your coach losing his mind like that doesn't get you going, it's going to go down as like a famed rant. And then to come out and look that way now for the Panthers side to this, which again, like you said, surprising. We're talking about them. They've been really inconsistent this year. They've beaten some good teams. It's almost like they're not asking Bryce to do too much, but he's making those key plays. A lot of credit to Dave Cadalez. A lot of credit to Dan Morgan, as well as they've done this thing. And you're right, like, do you pick up the fifth year option and kind of wait to decide, you know, for another year? Are you perhaps looking around the league in other situations and going, maybe we should wait? Because James, we play this game all the time on the show. Are you good? You know, like, is he good?
James Palmer
I don't know.
Diana Rossini
That's what I'm saying, like, because I.
James Palmer
Know people very close to that organization and the same conversation happens one week. Yo, man, I just don't think Bryce is it, man. He just, he's just not it. Next week, bro. Bryce might be it. You know, you see him close out some of these games. The things that you always heard about him coming out of Alabama. I remember being there for multiple pro days that he was at. And he's throwing. There is like big moments. He is, he has the lowest heartbeat in the world, right? And he can make big plays and big moments. You know, he goes against the rams, he completes two touchdown passes on 4th and short for them to go and beat LA. And so he has these things late in games where he can go out and make plays. They're seven and two in one possession games this season. That's pretty good. They got four fourth quarter comebacks. And you saw what he was able to have, another fourth quarter game winning drive in this game where he leads them down for a field goal and they win 23 20. Dave Canales though has been really, really. And Bryce is connected to this, to my understanding, Diana, like, how do we find consistency? You mentioned some of those wins. Let's think about the way this season is going. Since their week seven bye, they haven't won back to back games. They've alternated every single week. So you go and you beat the Falcons by 30, then you lose by 29 to the Patriots, then you beat the Bills. I mean you lose to the Bills at home by 29, then you upset the packers at Lambeau. You don't, you know, you don't play very well against San Francisco out there on a Monday night short week, you beat the Rams, like, okay, if this is going to continue to happen, they'll lose this week to Seattle. And then bing, bang, boom, week 18, they're back on playing great football and they win the division against the, against the Bucs. Bryce is a big part of that to my understanding. It's kind of keeping that consistency with how he's playing. And you're right, they'd like him to not throw the football A ton. They'd like to run the football well. They'd like him to get out and escape, you know, some of that pressure outside the pocket. If you contain him and keep him in the pocket, it's a little bit tough. I think the main question there, to my understanding, they're looking at, is can we win consistently with a quarterback that has the traits that Bryce Young has?
Diana Rossini
You know, with Philip Rivers back in the game, you know, Frank Reich came back into the spotlight. Right. Because Frank and Philip know each other very well, obviously. And Philip had reached out to Frank for some thoughts about returning to the game. And you think back to that first year with Frank Reich and Bryce Young, and it just. I had people there at the time telling me that it was over, like, it's done, like it wasn't gonna work with him. He didn't have it. It was a bust. So I. I find myself rooting for Bryce sometimes.
James Palmer
I do, too.
Diana Rossini
Yeah, right. Just because it's like, nobody expects it. Everybody always on social media likes to put up the picture of him and Mina Kaim standing next to each other, and they're the same height, or Mina's taller.
James Palmer
I don't know.
Diana Rossini
Whatever it is, like. And it's just you, you. I give credit to Canales for not giving up on him, too, knowing that it was never that good there. And you said it a couple shows ago, the whole David Tepper element in this. We haven't talked about him once this year. Nope, not once. And whatever he's done, I hope whoever's advising him deserves a Christmas bonus because they've done a. You know, David and Nicole have both done a really good job, I think, of just letting Canales and Dan Morgan run the show.
James Palmer
Yeah, that's a really good point. It's a really good point. His defense has played better up front. I mean. Yeah, Monster in the middle there. They got J.C. horn out at a corner spot, and they may have the Rookie of the Year in tmac. I mean, he legitimately has a very good chance of winning Rookie of the Year, and a lot of people questioned that pick going. Does Bryce Young need another target? We took a receiver in the first round last year. Like, we have other needs we need. And it seems like that was. They saw something in the two of them they threw before the draft, and Bryce really liked him. It's an aspect of this offense. We'll see. But I do think that they hit on Dave Canales right now. I think that's the thought, more specifically, that they have done building something in that spot. It's fascinating. All right, coming up as we close out this show on a Monday, Diana and I are going to discuss what our least favorite Christmas song is and maybe what bothers us about the holidays. Quite a ba humbug finish here on a Monday on Scoop City.
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Welcome back to Scoop City on a Monday. James Palmer, Diana Rossini with you as we close things out. We're just days away from Santa Claus and Christmas. Diana, if you celebrate and there are certain songs that we adore, there are certain Christmas songs that just make you feel something, right? Some sort of nostalgia, if you will. But then there's other ones where you go, yeah, this ain't it. This ain't working. I had a friend once when I was playing Metallica in my car in high school where I thought I was kind of like a Metallica guy for like a minute. And I really wasn't, but I thought I was. He was right next to me and he hit just the eject button, took the CD and threw it out of the car. Like out of the car while we were moving. And he's like, I can't stand Metallica.
Diana Rossini
I know it.
James Palmer
What compact disc is getting literally ejected from the vehicle. If you hear that song, come on.
Diana Rossini
I just love the thought of putting a tape back in my car.
James Palmer
Oh, I still play my mixed CDs.
Diana Rossini
Like underneath my seats.
James Palmer
Oh, did you have like a big CD case that you had in your car?
Diana Rossini
Please. Like the. All the cool girls had the CD case that had a certain order to it too. And most of the time I never even took them out. It's. It was just for show. Like, I didn't even really listen to them that much. Meanwhile, if you opened it up right now, it'd be like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera.
James Palmer
Talk about Sasha.
Diana Rossini
Like horrible, horrible music. Which my music taste has not changed. But I am a big fan of like starting my day with Christmas music on in the kitchen when I have my coffee before everyone gets up. Keep it on low And I like the classics. I just like old school. Bing Crosby, Nat King Cole, those types. But every once in a while, that one gets in there and it really upsets me. And it's Santa, baby, just slip a seat, belong to the tree for me. Like, I don't. It's sexual, it's inappropriate, it's weird. I don't know if it's like the wife singing to the husband or she really is in love with Santa. I hate it.
James Palmer
That's a bad one.
Diana Rossini
So you. You get it, right?
James Palmer
I know exactly what you're talking about. And I'm laughing really hard, and you'll understand why.
Diana Rossini
Like, she wants yachts, she wants gifts for, like, what are you gonna do for it? Like, what is that about? That's not the Christmas spirit.
James Palmer
No, it's not.
Diana Rossini
So that. That one I can't stand. And of course, look, by the time Christmas gets here, you've heard the ones you like so many times that the ones you like, you kind of flip on. They're like, I can't do it anymore. Like, all I want for Christmas, I can't do anymore. I'm done. I'm good. I'm all set. First week of Christmas, yes, But by now, I need a change. I'm ready. I'm almost ready for regular music soon. What about you? What pops up? You're like, oh, nails on chalkboard.
James Palmer
It's so funny because it's exactly in the same vein as yours. I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus. Again, if you read the lyrics, if you really listen to what's being said.
Diana Rossini
Not slut shaming here on stupid.
James Palmer
This is really bizarre. I mean, and a little Michael Jackson is singing about his mom kissing Santa Claus. And, oh, what would happen if dad saw this? She's tickling him. Like, just so bizarre. Like, I had the lyrics in front of me. She didn't see me creep down the stairs to have a peep. She thought I was tucked up in my bedroom, fast asleep. Then it says, then I saw Mommy tickle Santa Claus. Tickle, tickle Santa Claus underneath that beard. Oh, my God, what is happening? Like, what? Like, and then when you're just, like, you're teasing your own father that he didn't see this. And, oh, man, you'd be up so upset. Like, if Daddy had only seen.
Diana Rossini
Does Stephen, our producer, put a rating on our show? Like, is this. Did we just take Scoop City into R rated tbma?
James Palmer
I think it is. I don't know. What if dog tickles? But, like, then he'd go like, If Daddy had only seen what. What a laugh it would have been. That's not funny. That's adultery.
Diana Rossini
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James Palmer
It's adultery. Santa Claus. This is just a really creepy song for a little boy to sing with his brothers. It's just very bizarre, and I like it.
Diana Rossini
Which brings me to I. I think it's about the. I've hit the point of the year. Not even the month, the year where I. I think I'm just delirious. I find stuff ten times funnier than it probably is. But I actually love this mood I'm in. My family does, too, because I just get weird.
James Palmer
Yeah.
Diana Rossini
I sat at my kitchen table re watching the ns, the Saturday Night Live skit that they did on Saturday of the Home Alone scene.
James Palmer
You know, the way this works.
Diana Rossini
I sent it to everyone in my. So I am not a sender of video person unless I think it's excellent. I want people to feel like they get a message for me. They have to stop what they're doing and watch it now. So I.
James Palmer
Because you do have that friend that sends too many, and you're like, here's another one. And you don't even open them anymore.
Diana Rossini
Jane Slater. Yes. Like, way too many videos. So when you get it from me, you got to be like, all right, we're watches. And I sent it to you.
James Palmer
You did.
Diana Rossini
You'd already seen it eight times.
James Palmer
I'd already seen it eight times. And this is the way it happened in my household. I'm sitting there. I keep walking by Nick's room. I'm like, is he up? Is he up yet? I can't, because I want to show him the video in the morning. Like, was he gonna wake up yet? I literally get a text from my dad that says, did you see the Home Alone snl bit Epic. And I go. I'm literally waiting for Nixon to wake up so I can show him.
Diana Rossini
I'm glad your dad found that entertaining. I sent it to my dad, and he's got a really dry sense of humor. I expected him to, like, hit me right back, like, thinking he was so funny. He wrote. That was very graphic. I wrote, ew. Like, go get out of my life right now with that attitude.
James Palmer
Seriously, this is comedy. It was pure gold. It was.
Diana Rossini
You know, my dad's at that age where I think death is close, so he's worried about it. So he sees anyone die, and he just. We don't want to ruin it for you if you haven't seen it, but if you haven't make sure you go to. You should probably just find it online now. They have it up on NBC.com to. To check it out. But I think the laughing goes along very well with some of the irritation that the holiday bring, because it's like, it's the family. It's the stress. Even this morning, my husband was like, I have a pit in my stomach, and I don't know why. I'm like, it's called Christmas.
James Palmer
Yeah, 100%. I just thought. I just said to my wife, I was like, man, you know, the wild thing is, like, if I can just get through this next 10 days. And then I was like, wait a minute. Am I talking about, like, spending time with your family in the holidays? As if I could just get through this, like, forcing my way through, but that's where it's at right now. And Colin Jokesta's buzz was absolutely outstanding.
Diana Rossini
I was pulling into a grocery store parking lot, and I looked down at my phone, and that caused me to then, I guess, back up traffic a little bit. And so the car that was, like, coming to make a right made eye contact with me. He killed my soul with the way he stared at me about like I was the one you hate in the holidays. He's like, come on, let's go. Yeah, we got to get this done. We're not here to be on our phones while we're at the Whole Foods parking lot. You know what I mean? Like, move.
James Palmer
Yeah.
Diana Rossini
So I feel like this is a good time of year where you gotta. You really gotta pay attention, because otherwise, because there's just crazy people out there. Me? Yeah.
James Palmer
You're looking at two of them. All right. Dinah, you will be spending Christmas, though, on a sideline. Yeah. I need to say this. I want to say, friend, best of luck. You will crush it. I know. You will dominate everybody. Make sure you watch the Netflix game where Diana is out there just giving us all the information, working the sideline, making sure that we all stay informed on our Christmas day while we're sitting at home in our comfies with a mimosa.
Diana Rossini
Maybe enjoy that.
James Palmer
Not to rub it in, but we'll all be watching.
Diana Rossini
I hope so. My family has the iPads all set up in the kitchen for when they're cooking and doing all that so they don't miss anything. They'll miss it for sure, but that'll be all right. The 50 cameras that Netflix has, you.
James Palmer
Won'T miss a thing.
Diana Rossini
Won't miss a thing. They should just have a camera on me the whole time. And just watch me running up and down like a weirdo. Probably you don't remember me in the XFL comfortable shoes. Yeah, don't have those working on that still. But anyways, thank you so much. I will not see you before Christmas. So Merry Christmas to you. Enjoy the week. I hope you get everything you've ever asked for. And just. I really hope Meg. Really hope Meg isn't kissing Santa under the tree.
James Palmer
No, I mean, I'd be visibly upset. That's. That's. That's. That's grounds for filing for divorce. And all of a sudden everybody thinks it's a big hoot. I don't think so. Right back at you, friend to Kevin the Voice. Have a wonderful holiday.
Diana Rossini
Love you.
James Palmer
See you by.
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Podcast: Scoop City: Inside The NFL (The Athletic)
Hosts: James Palmer (Senior NFL Insider, The Athletic), Dianna Russini (Senior Insider, The Athletic)
Date: December 22, 2025
This episode offers a deep dive into NFL Week 16—the postseason picture, team narratives, standout player performances, playoff scenarios, and “wish lists” for several contending teams. The hosts, James Palmer and Dianna Russini, deliver behind-the-scenes scoops and candid conversations from their wide-ranging sources, with a special focus on Drake Maye’s MVP-level season with the Patriots and New England's extraordinary late-game win. Other prominent topics include the surging Jaguars, the state of the Broncos, shaky fortunes in Baltimore, NFC wild cards, and the Bears’ and Panthers’ unexpected rises.
(02:35–05:30)
Palmer lists playoff scenarios coming out of Week 16: Patriots clinch a playoff spot, Eagles win the NFC East for the first time in consecutive years since 2004, Panthers lead the NFC South, Bears and Niners clinch. Only one NFC wild-card spot remains open.
Notable reactions to the 49ers' resilience amidst injuries:
"I can't believe they made the playoffs with the amount of injuries they had... they've been doing this with as many injuries and as banged up as they've been... lots of credit to them."
—Dianna Rossini (03:54)
Hosts discuss managing life and work during a packed football weekend.
(05:29–14:05)
Palmer shares first-hand reporting from the Jaguars' locker room after their 34–20 win over the Broncos:
"Two guys sprinted past me going, 'We tried to tell you. We tried to tell you this is what we are.' ... 'What do we need now for the one seed?'"
—James Palmer (06:09)
The Jaguars embrace their small-market underdog status as motivational fuel, especially after Sean Payton’s “small market” comments.
Russini:
"I want the Jags to stay that way. Just keep leaning into the fact that nobody cares about them... because it works." (07:00)
Insider glimpses into leadership and culture: Tony Boselli and GM James Gladstone, plus the critical value of “glue guys” like Jacoby Myers and Tim Patrick:
"You won't be in our building if you don't love football."
—Tony Boselli via James Palmer (08:05)
Discussion of Jacksonville’s Rams-inspired front office style (Gladstone learned under Les Snead/Sean McVay), and the franchise’s hunger for trades and innovation.
(14:10–16:40)
Palmer provides insight into Denver post-loss:
"They were like, I wish we played another sport... you play again the next day. We got to wait... we're excited we don't have to wait. They play on Christmas against Kansas City." (14:13)
Key concerns: Defensive breakdowns, tackling issues, and an undisciplined streak of penalties.
Russini reframes the loss as a possible “good loss”:
"Sometimes you can have some good losses... you actually really start making better improvements." (15:45)
(16:40–19:39)
Russini praises the Patriots’ comeback win against the Ravens and Maye’s ability to bounce back from a tough week:
"This was a character win for the Patriots... He was accepting the pressure. He wanted to be the clutch guy... I feel like I learned more about Drake Mag [Maye] and subaltern Ravens than I did in any other game..." (17:29)
Observes that Mike Vrabel sets higher standards—the goal is bigger than beating the Ravens now.
Palmer puts Maye back into the MVP mix:
"I think Drake Maye has put himself back into that conversation, possibly for MVP as we kind of eliminated him like we did one week, and then we throw him back into the mix." (19:39)
(20:00–20:53)
The discussion spotlights Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Vrabel, Liam Cohen, DeMeco Ryans, Mike Macdonald, and even Sean Payton as Coach of the Year candidates in a wide-open field.
Russini, referencing her social media follows:
"...you learn so much about [teams] this way. It's access you can't really get anywhere else..." (19:59)
(20:53–22:30)
Palmer’s postseason “wish list” for Baltimore is simple: “an MVP quarterback”—a healthy Lamar Jackson, whose injury leaves them clinging to playoff hopes.
Russini notes league-wide whispers about the Ravens:
"Something feels off about them... they haven’t put together a game that makes you go, ‘Oh, my gosh, this is the Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry that I’ve been scared of.’" (21:48)
Big-picture uncertainty: All eyes on possible instability if coaches like Harbaugh, Tomlin, or Stefanski become available.
(22:30–29:47)
Palmer and Russini analyze the chaotic Steelers-Lions ending—confusion caused by officiating and missed communication to Mike Tomlin about DK Metcalf’s fan altercation.
Palmer on Derrick Harmon’s impact on run defense:
"...In the games without [Harmon]... they’re giving up 165.6 yards... with him, 87.9 yards a game on the ground." (28:21)
Russini says the Lions offense just didn’t execute, especially when it came to their stars.
(34:51–38:40)
Palmer relays the atmosphere at a Denver bar after the Bears’ thrilling win over the Packers:
"People were running around after the Caleb Williams touchdown. I mean, they are second in the NFC right now... There’s something. It feels that’s special with this team." (34:51)
Russini praises Ben Johnson for “quickly turning this thing around”:
"Ben Johnson’s been the best thing for [Caleb Williams]... which is why he’s up for coach of the year, and he’s got these guys believing." (36:15)
Palmer and Russini agree Caleb Williams has proven trustworthy in big moments, more than Darnold or Daniel Jones:
“Right now, absolutely. He’s proven it… There’s something clutch that he likes; he wants to be put under pressure.”
—Diana Rossini (38:06)
(38:40–42:55)
Discussion of the Packers’ late-game mistakes and Matt LaFleur’s perceived coaching hot seat.
Russini recounts league-wide respect for LaFleur:
"There are a lot of people around the league who have tremendous respect for what Matt LaFleur can do as a coach, as an offensive play caller... I think it could be one of those situations where you almost don’t even realize what you have." (40:44)
Palmer:
"There’s always the one shocker." (42:12)
(42:55–48:29)
The Panthers are now on top of the NFC South; debate over Bryce Young’s fifth-year option is heating up.
Palmer points to the team’s inconsistency and close wins:
"They’re seven and two in one possession games this season... They got four fourth quarter comebacks." (45:18)
Russini highlights coaching and front office stability as keys to their surprising turnaround:
"I give credit to Canales for not giving up on him [Bryce], too, knowing that it was never that good there." (48:00)
The hosts agree that owner David Tepper’s absence from headlines has helped let football people do their jobs.
Jaguars embracing underdog role:
"Lean into the fact that everyone says they're small town, they're a little city, they're a franchise nobody wants... because it works."
—Diana Rossini (07:00)
Drake Maye’s character win:
"He was accepting the pressure. He wanted to be the clutch guy on top of the fact that he just bounced off a really bad game."
—Diana Rossini (17:29)
On Matt LaFleur’s future:
"It could be one of those situations where you almost don’t even realize what you have."
—Diana Rossini (40:44)
Caleb Williams’ clutch gene:
"Right now, absolutely. He’s proven it... There’s something clutch that he likes; he wants to be put under pressure.”
—Diana Rossini (38:06)
Throughout the show, Palmer and Russini craft “holiday wish lists”—what teams need to take the next step:
(52:25–56:40)
The hosts are conversational, candid, and often humorous, bringing insider context and relatable personal stories. Their exchanges are rich in league gossip, anecdotal evidence, and frank analysis.
This episode peels back the NFL’s curtain, offering both sharp on-field analysis and quirky off-field stories. Key takeaways revolve around under-appreciated team cultures (notably Jacksonville), Drake Maye’s re-emergence as an MVP candidate, playoff permutations, and the mercurial fortunes of teams like the Steelers, Bears, and Panthers. The holiday framing and lively banter add personality, making it an essential catch-up for insiders and fans alike.