NFL Trade Deadline Drama: Is Quinnen Williams enough to save the Cowboys season?

Summary

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Episode: NFL Trade Deadline Drama: Is Quinnen Williams enough to save the Cowboys season?
Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Dianna Russini, James Palmer (The Athletic)
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Exploring the whirlwind of moves at the 2025 NFL Trade Deadline, with a deep focus on blockbuster trades (Quinnen Williams to Cowboys, Sauce Gardner to Colts, Rashid Shaheed to Seahawks), assessing their significance for the teams involved, and breaking down why some big deals didn't materialize.

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Episode Overview

This post-trade deadline episode dives into the wildest, most active NFL trade deadline yet. Dianna and James review the 10 deals finalized, with a spotlight on Quinnen Williams joining the Cowboys, Sauce Gardner’s shock transfer to the Colts, and under-the-radar moves like Rashid Shaheed to Seattle. The show dissects front office strategies, GM aggressiveness, and evaluates the winners, losers, and future impact for multiple franchises.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. The Trade Deadline Frenzy and First Impressions

• Initial Reactions: Both hosts reflect on the unprecedented velocity and surprise of this year’s deals—especially the last-minute blockbusters.
• Dianna’s “Trade Deadline Hangover” (03:32):
  “I got a little trade deadline hangover. Not because I had any booze last night, but I don't think I was mentally ready for the punches as fast as they came.”

2. Quinnen Williams to Dallas Cowboys: Analysis & Fallout

Segment Start: 05:32

• How the Deal Came Together:
  Dianna outlines how Dallas went from “flirting” to “serious” with Quinnen Williams over the weekend, with multiple teams in the chase.
  "I heard Saturday night the conversations were starting to go from we're flirting with this to this may be something real." (06:16)

• Jets’ Motivation:
  The Jets pivoted from “no way” to realizing what Dallas would offer. By trading both Williams and Sauce Gardner, they signaled a genuine rebuild.
  "Every GM and head coach will listen. Even though they come out...'we're not doing this' ...everybody has a price." (07:35)

• Cowboys Perspective:
  Jerry Jones’ aggressiveness shines as he flips expensive talent (including the loss of Micah Parsons) for Williams and cap flexibility.
  “Certainly those picks were burning a hole in Jerry’s pocket… you’re going to save roughly $69 million over the next three years.” (09:18)

• Is It Enough?
  Dianna is skeptical that these moves alone will save Dallas’s season, pointing out that Parsons’ absence is irreplaceable:
  “Dallas needs Micah Parsons, that is what they need right now.” (11:46)

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3. Sauce Gardner’s Stunning Move to the Colts

Segment Start: 12:31

• Why It Shocked the League:
  Both were floored; this wasn’t on anyone’s radar. It marks a rare move of a star just months after signing an extension. “One of the more shocking trades I’ve seen in the last 10 years or so… I did not know Sauce was available.” (14:13, Dianna)

• Indy’s Motivation:
  The Colts, historically trade-shy (only one in eight years before), go all-in to solve a glaring roster hole. “I love this trade...they get Sauce Gardner on...not a terrible contract either. ...They are all in on Daniel Jones...we are going for all of it.” (15:50, James)

• Jets’ Strategy and Future:
  New York stockpiles first and second round picks for coming years, eyeing draft classes and flexibility for a long-haul rebuild. “Maybe again [Jets GM] Darren Mujee, Aaron Glenn playing a little 4D chess.” (20:26, James)

• Notable Quote:
  "I never said [Jets fans] were going to be proud of them right now... maybe they will look back and say it was worth it." (18:06, referencing Aaron Glenn)

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4. Rashid Shaheed to Seattle: Dark Horse Favorite

Segment Start: 25:54

• Why It Matters:
  Dianna picked this as her favorite trade because nobody saw it coming, and it makes Seattle’s offense “terrifying.” “This is one of those that just gives them another added weapon that can help them make a long, deep run here.” (27:18, Dianna)
• System Fit:
  Shaheed reunites with OC Clint Kubiak, already knows the playbook, and can instantly contribute.
  Defensive Coordinator’s text: “They’re going to be absolutely terrifying.” (27:29, James)

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5. Trades That Didn't Happen: Behind the Scenes

Segment Start: 29:39

• Trey Hendrickson (Bengals):
  Cincy’s asking price was too high for an aging, banged-up pass rusher. They hold out hope for Joe Burrow’s return instead. “They just stayed exactly who they are… we never want to give away players that’ll make us worse as the season goes on.” (31:58, James)

• Jalen Waddle (Dolphins):
  Highly attractive, but Miami wasn’t in fire-sale mode, likely holding for value. “Everyone was listening on everyone, but they weren’t giving [them] away. They didn’t want it to be just one big fire sale.” (34:29, Dianna)

• Jermaine Johnson (Jets):
  The Jets teased but didn't flip the edge rusher, holding out for a significant offer. Chicago was the most aggressive, but the deal fizzled.

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6. Insider Stories: Drafts That Never Got Sent

Segment Start: 36:34
Fun banter about unused Twitter drafts prepared for deals that never happened—offering a window into the chaos of trade day reporting.

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7. “Has the Deadline Really Gotten Busier?” (Listener Q&A)

Segment Start: 41:42

• Yes. More chaos, more stars/future picks involved
• Dianna:
  “It was very busy, but it was more the lead up. Every week was changing depending on how teams finished that Sunday.” (43:31)
• James:
  Cites later deadline, more aggressive/young GMs, and changing exec cultures.

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8. Final Insights and Loose Ends

Segment Start: 47:15

• Who Surprised By Doing Nothing?:
  Nick Caserio (Texans GM), usually very active, stayed quiet.
  “I thought the more active general manager in football, Nick Caserio, would have been jumping in more. He did not.” (47:49, Dianna)

• Why Some Deals Just Don’t Happen:
  "It’s not from lack of effort... it takes two teams to make a trade, and every GM has a limit." (46:12, James)

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Standout Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dallas trading for Williams:
  “Maybe that was a move that could have... There was a shortage on wide receivers. Would somebody have went after George Pickens?” (10:09, James)
• On the Jets’ tear down:
  “Thumbs up by me in terms of...it also tells you how they feel about these players and the state of this Jets team right now.” (07:39, Dianna)
• On trade deadline’s unpredictability:
  “No one in the league expected that... I did not talk to one person who thought Sauce Gardner was getting traded.” (05:03, Dianna)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 02:09 | Episode content begins: overview and rapid-fire trades | | 05:32 | Cowboys land Quinnen Williams – process & implications | | 12:31 | The shock of Sauce Gardner to Colts | | 25:54 | Rashid Shaheed to Seattle: why it matters | | 29:39 | Non-moves (Hendrickson, Waddle, Jermaine Johnson) | | 41:42 | Listener Q&A: Is the deadline really busier? | | 47:15 | Final insights: Quiet teams, why deals collapse, closing |

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Tone and Style

Energetic, conversational, with playful moments between Dianna and James. Analysis is sharp but leavened with humor and “insider” asides, making for an easy listen even for serious news.

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In Summary

This episode unpacks one of the most frenetic NFL trade deadlines in recent memory, spotlighting the blockbuster deals and peeling back the curtain on what drives or blocks moves. The hosts’ behind-the-scenes access and candid reactions give both hardcore fans and casual listeners a front-row seat to the drama and strategy shaping the NFL’s second half.

Transcript

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[Diana Rossini]

After I left the Giants Niners game, I had to go check in on the boys who were at the mall next to the stadium. So before kickoff, I ran back over and I was essentially going against the foot traffic. And I was like, is this what Simba felt during the stampede?

[James Palmer]

Oh, yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Like, is this what it was like?

[James Palmer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Diana Rossini]

I took video of it. It was scary. Mikey loves to do scar.

[James Palmer]

Oh, welcome to Scoop City on a Wednesday. James Palmer here with you. A wild trade deadline. I think Diana's just catching her breath. There were 10 trades finalized on the trade deadline day. We're going to break down a lot of them. The biggest moves that were made, how do they impact the league moving forward the second half of the 2025 season? Please like and subscribe. Please do it. Just hit it. It's easy. It's simple. We're going to break down a couple of things throughout the course of this show. Mainly, we're going to talk about Quinn and Williams. What he comes and brings to this Dallas defense that has been struggling. Could they find their way into the postseason in the second half? After a couple of moves Jerry was able to make, we'll break that down. Also, Sauce Gardner, the one that nobody saw coming. He heads over to Indianapolis. And now where are the Colts in terms of contenders in the afc? We'll talk about that. And Rashid Shahid, maybe the favorite move of a lot of people as he rejoins Clint Kubia, who's running that offense in Seattle. I bring in the Athletics senior NFL insider, the woman who did everything solo, really, on the. The Twitter spheres. The. The. I gotta ask you this. I said Twitter first. Diana, where do you post it first? How does this happen when you have all these different platforms now, Whether it's threads, whether it's X, whether. How do you like, where do you go first?

[Diana Rossini]

Facebook.

[James Palmer]

Really? MySpace?

[Diana Rossini]

Well, if I wanted my parents to read my updates, yeah, it goes fast. And even just with the algorithms right now and the way it's set up, it's really hard to see what's what, and it's a mess. And you definitely need a team of people and shout out Jeremy for help. You know, he's on our team and helps me a lot with trying to organize how we're going to do this. But, yeah, I got a little trade deadline hangover. Not because I had any booze last night, but I don't think I was mentally ready for the punches as fast as they came. Right. Like we always expect the trades to happen. They just went back to back to back. They almost were on top of each other. And then, of course, you mentioned at the start of the show that, like, the sauce Garner thing shocked me and I think shocked a lot of people.

[James Palmer]

Shocked everybody. Yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

But it was so fine. It was so fine.

[James Palmer]

Super fun.

[Diana Rossini]

One of our competitors over at the NFL Network just shot me a text. Was like, God, I hate the deadline. How you doing? I'm like, oh, my God, I love it. I. I thought that was great. And especially. Especially considering the fact that it's just getting better and we're seeing more. Brandon Bean was just talking to the media a couple minutes ago, actually, and he was like, oh, what a waste of time. Yeah. Because he didn't do anything.

[James Palmer]

You know, get a deal done. Yeah, there it is. But you and I were texting throughout the day, forth. And in the beginning, we were kind of like, I hear it might be kind of quiet. And like, even those are. I mean, those are decision makers that are saying that to us. Like you know, I don't know. It might be.

[Diana Rossini]

I'm glad you said that because I did have someone mention to me kind of. I think they were just trying to tease me a bit. Like, I thought it wasn't going to be exciting. It's like, no. No one in the league expected that. Yesterday, I did not talk to one person who was like, sauce Garner is getting traded, maybe besides Chris Ballard, Shane Steichen, Darren Mugie and Aaron Glenn. You know what? I. And Woody Johnson, Shore.

[James Palmer]

That might be it. That might be it.

[Diana Rossini]

And.

[James Palmer]

All right, let's get into it. Let's dive into it. This is what we're hearing. Here we go. We're going to start with the Jets. Diana mentioned Darren Moocci in his first year as a general manager in the NFL. We're going to talk about some of these guys that are the youngsters there in that role and how aggressive some of them are. We'll start with Quinn and Williams, though. We'll get to the Sauce Gardener trade. Jerry comes on Sirius XM on Monday and goes, yeah, I've made a trade, and then just doesn't tell anybody what it was. I think that was the Logan Wilson trade. But anyway, he ends up making the trade for Logan Wilson to come in and be a linebacker for them. He makes the Quinn and Williams trade where he gives up a one and a two. Your initial thoughts? Because we were texting, I think, in the morning going, I'm hearing Quinn and Williams name a little bit, and you were kind of all over that.

[Diana Rossini]

So I heard Saturday night the conversations were starting to go from we're flirting with this to this may be something real. So. But Dallas wasn't the only team in on Quinn. And. And I kept hearing out of New York they were not going to move him. So I actually stopped chasing Quinn. And as hard as I was chasing Jermaine Johnson, full disclosure, because I thought you're a better shot of getting moved. More teams that I was talking to at the time were in on them. So you had the San Francisco 49ers, you had the Chicago Bears, you had Patriots, you had a lot of teams looking to improve their defense, giving the jets calls to just see who were they willing to deal. Now I'll start. Big picture. The jets, apparently, now that I'm doing more calling, were open to having a lot of discussions, and they made the decision to move Quinn in over the weekend. So there was. It was a hard no. And then they shifted once they saw what Dallas was willing to give them. And we talk about this on the show all the time. Like, everybody is. Every GM and head coach will listen. They will listen. Even though they come out.

[James Palmer]

Everybody has a price.

[Diana Rossini]

Exactly. And they go, we're not doing this. Like, yes, they don't want to, but it's also like, come get me. And I think in regards to the philosophy of the New York jets, the fact that they were able to agree that moving him was in the benefit of the future of the New York jets, along with Sauce Garner. I mean, thumbs up by me in terms of that they're doing. And it also tells you a lot about how they feel about these players and the state of this jets team right now. James.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, it's. It's interesting.

[Diana Rossini]

And.

[James Palmer]

And you know what? I think Jerry was smart. He was being Jerry. Where, if we remember a few weeks back, he's calling about Max Crosby. Is that really happening? He's really just making sure everybody knows I'm willing to swing big right. Diana. He's going, I'm willing. If, you know, I want you guys to know I could be one of these guys that's out there that's going. So I like when everybody starts talking about the Cowboys. I talked to people right after the deal happened that are in that building that were like, I'm shocked. I'm trying to process this right now. I'm trying to figure out what we just did while I'm trying to wrap my head around all of this. Man, I wish we would have beat Denver and Arizona because we'd be in a much different spot right now going through this. And with the offense that we have, yes, we got better as a defense. Certainly those picks were burning a hole in Jerry's pocket. What I want to see happen happen from the Dallas side of things, when you look at the finances of it, obviously you kind of got, like, got rid of Mozzie Smith and got Kenny Clark. Then you kind of lose Micah Parsons and you bring in Quinn and Williams at a much cheaper rate, and you're going to save roughly $69 million over the next three years. Roughly. Right. Like 23 million. Roughly. What do they do with that money? That's what I want to see. And I'm going to go outside the box and just say, this was my. I wish would have happened as part of Jared. Okay, you know what I think they should have done? I think they should have traded George Pickens. I think they should have moved on from George Pickens, because I'm looking at it from this lens. Are you going to be able with as well as he's played, resign George Pickens and have that contract and CD Lamb's contract and Dak Prescott's contract, borderline impossible. So if he walks in free agency, you probably would have gotten more at this deadline for George Pickens than you would in the comp pick. And so when I look at. If you're trying to flip this and you're trying to use what the Micah Parsons trade got you in terms of capital, capital and cap space, why not go all in on it, Use this start from George Pickens. Because I do think they thought, Diana, it was going to be a moderate start. It would be good. Maybe we can bring him back and he'd be a great two. He's outplayed what everybody kind of thought he was going to do and now everybody goes, this is a bonafide one. He's been great in the locker room. Maybe that was a move that could have like there was a shortage on wide receivers. Would somebody have swung anything with somebody have went after George Pickens?

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I, I think it's adorable that you are trying to think future for the Dallas Cowboys while Jerry Jones is obviously making these moves for now. You know what I mean? So you bring up a good point though about what you just did right there was have an honest conversation about what you think the Dallas Cowboys are today and how they could actually take advantage of that and not necessarily believe that they are going to make a deep playoff run based on the defense that we saw. But that is not how most teams do it. They will tell you their thinking future, but not a lot of owners want to just have that difficult conversation with their players, with their staff and say this ain't it right. Obviously the jets did right the job. The jets are like, yeah, we stink and we're probably stink next year and we're probably going to stink the year after that. Like it's going to be a minute. We got to go get a quarterback and then we can start building and. And look in three years, maybe the jets are ridiculous or we're here on the show talking about who the next general manager is going to be. Right? Because that's probably how we will figure out if these moves were good or not. I was asking a lot of people around the league initially, trying to keep my own opinion about it out of. Do you think the trades that Jerry Jones made today soften the blow of losing Micah? And it's like so in my face that no, it's like what? No, of course not. Like, guess what? Dallas needs Micah Parsons, like that is what they need right now. And we knew and even when we talked about on the show after I saw Jerry at the league meetings, like he didn't lie to us. Right? He said, I'm not going past Rush and I got the picks and I want to do something. And he did. It's just, I think it's up for debate whether or not what he did was actually great for the Dallas Cowboys.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, that's true. And listen, whenever flu has been at his best, it's been when there's been good defensive tackle play actually over, great edge play, great defensive tackle play with the way Floose works. The other part of this jets, let's just call it a tear down. But I also think you can convince a lot of people in that building to go, hey, I know we get rid of our two of our best players. Look at the return we got. Because let's move on to the Sauce Gardener trade where they get two ones from. Chris Ballard, a general manager that is usually just not active at the deadline. I believe he's made one move in eight years and that was Nahim Hines when he requested a trade out of Indianapolis. And so he goes and makes a splash. I love this trade, Diana, because this is a team going we are all in and we're going to make a big move to make sure everybody on our roster understands we are all in. And they get Sauce Gardener on. Honestly, terrible contract either over the next several years when they give up these two ones. Tell me what happened to your phone when you were starting to figure out that this was going to be happening.

[Diana Rossini]

So I spoke to some people in Indie over the weekend about what they were trying to do, and I think there was an understanding that they may not be able to get the corners that they want right. Corner was always the priority market. Always. This is going back weeks, obviously because of the injuries that they have. And there's. There is a need when you, when you take a look at this roster, it is a glaring hole from some bizarre injuries as well. That being said, on Tuesday morning, after talking to some sources about what the Colts were doing, it was once again corner. But I was told at the time that they were talking to a different team about a corner who isn't even close to being as talented as Sauce Garner. So I always felt that Indy was going to make a move. I just didn't think it was going to be a one, you know, a gigantic punch out like this. Yeah, and. And probably one of the more shocking trades I've seen, you know, in. In the last 10 years or so where I was really caught off guard on it because I did not know Sauce was available. And I even went back to my.

[James Palmer]

I think you're right.

[Diana Rossini]

Like, who is available, who isn't? Like, it's always worth making that call. I got into a little bit of a heated debate, a healthy one with the general manager yesterday morning. Healthy about. He was asking me, is this team doing this? Is this team doing that? I said, just call them. Like, why are you at. Like, I appreciate. Well, I know why you're calling me and asking. Pick up the phone and just call. Who cares? Like, everyone is so worried about losing the leverage on it and desperation. That being said, I just think when I look at the Sauce Garner situation, I can't remember this. And James, I've been googling it. I've had our people google it. Maybe, you know, off the top of your head, I don't think you do. When was this time a. A player signed a extension like this and then traded three months, four months later? Yeah, I just, I. This, this is why this was so unusual, right?

[James Palmer]

Yeah, it's exactly why. But, but the. And I'm always wondering now, like, all right, is Darren muji playing like 4D chess? Was he thinking when he structured this contract? I still want to make him available by the trade deadline because the structure of the contract and we all look at this deal and Dinah, you broke it down per going like this doesn't happen because they're usually not structured in this manner. And the way that the money was allocated is the way that they were able to do this and not suffer a massive amount of dead money, really not much at all. And be able to make this trade. I find this trade doing two things for all of us, Diana. One, obviously it shows us the Colts are all in. And I'll get into why I think Sauce is such a massive move for Lou and Rimmo. The other part, the part that screams it so loud from the top of the mountains, we are all in on Daniel Jones. We don't need a first round pick for each of the next two years. We don't need a quarterback with one of those picks. I think we're in on Danny Dimes. Like, we have our quarterback. So we don't need the first round pick in each of the next two years. We're going for all of it. What I do go think about and look back to those numbers of those games in the postseason where I was always covering the Chiefs for Cincinnati and it was always talking to Patrick Mahomes going, I can't stand playing Louanna Remo with an experienced secondary, with corners that can play, man, with guys that can lock me up. I see one thing in the first half and it looks like that in the second half I see the exact same thing. And then after the snap, it's completely different. I think this is going to allow Luannarumo to be back to the guy that we saw making those defenses so complex and versatile, confusing. The best quarterback on the planet. And now he has the ability. When Ward comes back and you have Sauce and you have Kenny Moore as one of the best slots in football, you have the ability to get Luanna back to the type of coach that we know he is. You know, Lou, I know Lo, I'm not sure there's anybody like, I'm not sure if his feet were touching the ground on the way in today. And to get back to using noggin of his that is so, so good at confusing quarterback.

[Diana Rossini]

I was thinking how so many of these teams have such great social media people in the building and there's just always cameras rolling. I hope someone with the Colts took video of when Lou was informed that Sauce Gardener was headed to Indy. I would have loved to have seen where he was, what the expression is, what he said, who he called first, and then, you know, what they discuss in the meeting rooms after that because, you know, he immediately started to think about what this defense would, would look like with him. So, yeah, I do think we learned a lot about both teams, right? We learned about Indy being all in Indy doing something they don't normally or historically do. And then for the jets, which I thought was really interesting. So Aaron Glenn, he had one of the most interesting takes recently. So if you remember, he said before the season, when asked about, like, what the state of the jets is, how do you want this team to be? He said, I want this to be a team that fans are proud of, right? So then they make these trades and obviously they. They move on from two of the bigger New York jets stars. And then his response after all of this is, I never said they were going to be proud of them right now, as in the fans. So it's like this team obviously did not start the year thinking that this would be the case, but he is right in a sense that the future, if they get it right and they make the right picks, this could be the year the New York jets reflect back on and go, it was worth eating it a bit in order to get These, these great players and we'll see if they'll be able to do it.

[James Palmer]

That's a great point. When Diane is talking about get these great players. They now have two first round picks. There's an indies in 2026, two second round picks. There's in Dallas in 2026, 2027. They have three first round picks, their own, the other one being Dallas or Green Bay's. I believe it's the better of the two and Indianapolis's. I look at 2027, Diana. I know they pushed for one of those picks to be in 2027 on purpose because I look at the draft and in that group, when you have the likes of those receivers out of Ohio State and Alabama that still can't come out yet, but they can come out in 2027, maybe the quarterback class in 27 is better. Asking around, it's early, but I texted a couple like pro personnel guys going like what do you think of the 27 class? And they're like, it's early but there's a chance it could be far, far, far, far, far better than 2026. So maybe again Darren Mujee, Aaron Glenn playing little.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah but you know, it's.

[James Palmer]

We'll see.

[Diana Rossini]

When we were reaching out to people around the league, as soon as it happened, you know, we were both doing it. It is interesting that a lot of the responses I was getting though was, was actually not in favor of the Jets. You know, it was maybe that was just. Maybe it's reacting to like I got kind of 50, 50 of like they're such a mess or the jets are Jet saying, you know, it's just like, you know. And then, you know, I had one person and I tweeted this and oh my gosh, people are going crazy about it and I wish I could say who it was. I know the tweet text me that, that. Oh you, you. You saw it, huh?

[James Palmer]

I know which one you're talking about.

[Diana Rossini]

That the jets have basically taken apart a top five defense. And then you look back historically at what this jets defense looks like and depending on the metric, you know, you can have a whole argument whether or not they were ever a top five defense. But that being said, I think the point was this was a really talented team and nobody ever overlooked or underestimated a Jets defense. They just have been really bad this year. And, and I don't, I don't know what the reason is, but I know even, just heading into the season, even, even before Aaron Glenn was hired, there were a lot of people that were looking at that job outside of having to work for, for that owner of. They're a pretty good team outside of the quarterback. They've got guys. But that's obviously, that's. That, that's not the, the case entirely. So they keep Reece hall, you know, another player that they keep, Jermaine Johnson. Breeze hall wanted out. They got, they took some calls on him. That one was interesting over the weekend. I thought he'd get moved. I really did. Because they haven't signed him to an extension. Right. Why not just trade him, get some picks back. He doesn't want to be there. Just it would make sense. But they decide to hold on because I don't believe they want it to be a full tear down, you know, okay, they gotta have some players.

[James Palmer]

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[Diana Rossini]

I like the ones that I didn't see coming. And on Tuesday morning was the first time I heard that Seattle was really in on a wide receiver. I knew they were looking at offensive line but they were not one of the teams that I saw circling around the receiver space. We know that Buffalo was doing that a bit. I think Denver was poking around not too aggressively, but they definitely made some some calls. This Pittsburgh Steelers were in on wide receiver and then boom. The Seattle Seahawks wind up swooping in despite the fact that the new Orleans seats were getting lots of phone calls on Rashid Shahid, and they're able to land and give Sam Darnold yet another weapon after the quarterback is having, without a doubt, his best season. And I, I think this was one of those moves in the moment. You're like, okay, yeah, I could see them just trying to bolster. And then when you start really digging deep in this and you start thinking about what Kubia can do with a player that a. He's familiar with, he knows there's. I, I don't expect some difficult, tough transition for the receiver, even though Chase will tell you the hardest position is a receiver going from one team to another because there's so much difference in language and change and which. I'll let Chase talk about that another time. But so to me, this, this was my favorite one. And this. I've always been frightened by Seattle in a good way. I, This, I just think this is one of those that just gives them another added weapon that can help them make a long, deep run here.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I got a text from a defensive coordinator after this trade and goes, they are going to be absolutely terrifying. And I, he's right. And I think this might be one of my favorite trades as well, because what ended up happening. And you love that you mentioned what Chase brought up and, and shifting at the wide receiver spot. You make these trades, Diana, you give up capital, you give up picks that are very valuable if you're around that third, fourth round. I know they wanted a third rounder for him. They got a fourth and a fifth from Seattle. You want these players to come in and make an impact right away and that he has for familiarity and a ton of success. It was two weeks in New Orleans when Clint Kubiak was rolling before all the injuries happened. As their offensive coordinator, he gets reunited with him and they be off and running. I think the same thing in Philadelphia with Jalen Phillips, who has already played for Vic Fangio. He should be off and running. I think there's value in those connections. But now you not only make your entire offense better, make Sam Darnold better, he's a deep threat to take the top off the defense. You make the best receiver in football even better in Jackson, Smith and Jigba and maybe creating more space for him to go out there and operate. I, I just, I think this is outstanding. I think the only negative, the only negative that comes from this trade is this offense might become too good. And you lose Clint Kubiak after the season, people come and get him for.

[Diana Rossini]

A Head coaching job, become like the Eagles and every. Everyone's fighting over the ball 100%.

[James Palmer]

I mean, oh, what a great move. What a great move. We loved it. It was outstanding. But there were some moves that did not happen, Diana, in the league. Everybody was curious. Everybody's blowing you up, going, oh, I thought Brandon B. Was going to be aggressive. Oh, I saw Mike Tom on Tuesday. He was saying, I love to shop. And nothing happens with some of these teams. Obviously. There's also some big names that we were keeping an eye on, whether it's Trey Hendrickson or Jalen Waddle or. Or Jermaine Johnson. You mentioned earlier in the show, let's start with Trey Hendrickson, because that was kind of the one that even weeks ago, the 49ers are curious about and seeing if he's going to become available. You mentioned on Monday on our show and this was accurate, that the price was going to go down a little bit from what they were asking. And then we were curious if that was going to make a move and still nothing.

[Diana Rossini]

It didn't. It didn't. And, and I know that there were a lot of people curious about it. I, I was receiving a lot of text messages, even from some people with the Bangles. What are they going to do with him? And I think most assume that the Trey would get moved and he stayed pat. In fact, I feel like it kind of died down considering how much we were talking about this.

[James Palmer]

Interesting.

[Diana Rossini]

I think because of the Bengals price, they, on Monday afternoon, they were still on a first rounder. They dropped it down to a second rounder for a separate team that I spoke to that was in on him. And I just don't think that that was a price teams wanted to pay. With Trey dealing with a couple injuries here, his age, this would be an eight game rental. There were a lot of factors there. So he stays there. And it also makes me start thinking about the Bengals collectively. Right. They have held on to this hope of the return of Joe Burrow. That is what this is entire season has been about.

[James Palmer]

And I just think coming in on a horse, saving the day.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I know. Do you see him dressed up for Halloween as the Joker, by the way?

[James Palmer]

He did his own makeup.

[Diana Rossini]

Yep, he did his own makeup. He was good. But I just think the fact that they're holding on to that, that is, is flawed because you just don't know. Look at Brock Purdy, right. And, and they had the same injury. And I understand Joe had surgery on the turf toe. It's different than what Brock is doing. But how many times have I said on the show, brock is expected to play this week, Brock is expected to play this week. And then the poor kid goes out and practices and it does. He doesn't feel good.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Right.

[Diana Rossini]

So it's like I understand why the Bengals want him back, but that just may not be realistic depending on where what happens come December. So with that said, I think the Bengals had an opportunity to move more players and the price was just too high.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, that seems what it is. And remember, you were going to take, because there was no restructuring of this deal done before that deadline, that you were going to take on the $10 million, I think roughly that was left, you're also going to take on a $10 million cap hit. So that was all pretty much just there for you. And you also know, like you mentioned, it's a rental second round pick. And the Bengals really showed us, Diana, that they did not change their stripes.

[Diana Rossini]

Zing.

[James Palmer]

They just stayed exactly who they are, which is we never want to give away players that are going to make us worse as the season goes on. Logan Wilson was different. He essentially already lost his job and they want some younger guys to play in that role and they were already doing that. Trey Hendrickson, you do wave the white flag if you trade away Trey Hendrickson a closer. And since Joe Flacco has been there, I will say this, they are the best offense in football ball. It's not a lie. Since Joe Fico has become their quarterback. So they feel like they have hope. I don't know if it's accurate and I don't know if it was the right move, but that's the way Cincinnati thought about it. The other player that we kept hearing, Diana, that had a very high price, Jalen Waddle. I think this was like a pipe dream for a lot of people. I think actually on Monday's show you mentioned that you would like. Man, would I love Buffalo to get Jalen. Wasn't that what you said I would love?

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, that was my dream. That was my wish. No one listens to me in Buffalo, though. I tried.

[James Palmer]

They should.

[Diana Rossini]

Look, a lot of teams are very hesitant to trading in division. Right. Obviously the Bills would have to do business with the Dolphins. I saw that multiple times actually. The afc, the AFC East, I found more complicated than other divisions from the teams I was talking to you about trading with. So, yeah, Little cat, I'm okay with Caddy. Bring the Petty on. I'm all for it. Let's go.

[James Palmer]

But we love Petty on the show. We Talk about it all the time now.

[Diana Rossini]

I will say, though, if that's your opportunities, like, I. I also think it's really stupid. But whatever, we'll put that aside for now. Because, you know, you look around, even just the AFC east, to just stay in that division, I put New England up there as a team. I was shocked. They didn't do anything. And when I say shocked, I mean it because look how good they are right now, how they're better than I expected. They're winning. They just need a couple guys on defense, right? Like, I'm surprised they weren't able to. To pull off something. I know they took some swings. They weren't able to get any deals done. But this is an organization that I think is looking at the picks, right. They want to keep them as they're going to continue to build off what it is that they're building now. Right. Which. Which seems to be headed in a good direction. Whereas, you know, Miami is sitting there like, what are they? You know, I was told everyone was. They were listening on everyone, but they weren't giving it away. They didn't want it to be just one big fire sale where everyone was cheap. Whereas I thought maybe they lean into that. I thought there was a shot because Bradley Chubb didn't get moved either. I expected him to be shipped off.

[James Palmer]

So, yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. So there were definitely a lot of teams calling Miami. They just. They weren't doing that much business.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, no, they weren't. I think obviously it was a dream scenario. And why was it a dream scenario for. Like you mentioned, it was your wish list move for the Bills. And maybe people in Denver are going, man, if we have Jalen Waddle and people in Pittsburgh going, if had Jalen Waddle as the compliment to DK Metcalf. The reason everybody's saying this is he's a really good football player. Like, that's why everybody's saying that. But guess what? Miami knows he's a really good football player, too. And they have him really, in terms of his contract, Diana, in a very favorable contract for them into 20, 26 for sure, too. They know that. That's why other teams were, you know, he was appealing to them as well. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if this was somebody that was called upon this off season by maybe those same teams going, is he available now? Just to check in and see. I don't know. We'll see what ends up happening with Jalen Waddle moving forward. But that was definitely a name that was getting bounced around here. You mentioned Jermaine Johnson. That price seemed to stay high. Was that because they didn't want to move Jermaine Johnson? What was the situation there? Because you did hear a couple things I remember you telling.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, Philly was poking around on that. I mentioned San Francisco before the Chicago Bears. This was before the Jalen Phillips trade. The Patriots, I believe, made a call as well. So there was, there was interest there. And I kept getting told by New York that they weren't going to move them. Like, we're, we're not doing it. And then something changed a bit. Where it felt again, this is, this was kind of the jets way. They were putting out all the signals of we're not doing it. You guys can call us on all these guys. We're not selling anyone. Well, what they're really we're doing is we're not selling anyone for, for cheap. And I just don't think the Chicago Bears are willing. They were the most serious, like, so serious that I thought it was gonna happen. I had some of my drafts in my, in my Twitter ready to go.

[James Palmer]

Delete those now. Are those you just, you just, you gotta get rid of them, right? You don't want to leave them in there.

[Diana Rossini]

Great, great question. And I, I, I recently experienced it. I let Joey watch YouTube on my phone and he likes to touch the screen. And before I knew it, he was on Twitter. And all I kept thinking was, what if he had hit the drafts and it was like, oh, Tom Brady isn't retiring. He's staying with. You know what I mean? Like some draft from like 2019. Yeah, I need to go back in. You know what would be a fun segment? We should open up our drafts and.

[James Palmer]

Go to the drafts.

[Diana Rossini]

What's in there that were gonna happen? I'm actually just. Let's just do this live real quick. Let me see if there's one good one in here that I can find. That would be great.

[James Palmer]

Now, look, I'm going way back just to see. Okay, keep going.

[Diana Rossini]

I have drafts in here, by the way, for things that I'm expecting to happen because I have intel and things change. So I want to be careful not to read those because people probably don't want that out. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to pick something that wouldn't. Oh, boy. I have, I have some get ready ones too. I'm like firing people that are still employed. Yeah. Oh, boy. I really gotta scroll down here. Oh, I got this one. I got. The Chiefs and Trey Smith were unable to come to terms on a long term deal before Tuesday's deadline.

[James Palmer]

Did happen.

[Diana Rossini]

They were able to do it. Yeah, I got, I got more in preparation right now live in here, which is just as gnarly, I'd argue. Right.

[James Palmer]

Old one. I got an old one. Sending Cooper cup somewhere and I'll text it to you what that was.

[Diana Rossini]

Wow.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, that's a good. That's a good way to go about it. Oh, yeah.

[Diana Rossini]

Wait, was it Cooper cup in season before the trade deadline last year? Yeah, I said. Yeah, like that. I. Oh, I think I know what it is. Sorry we're so annoying for the viewers and listeners. I think I know it is.

[James Palmer]

Apologies, apologies. We'll wrap this up.

[Diana Rossini]

I got it. Right.

[James Palmer]

Okay. Yeah, you can text me after the break. I will tell everybody if Diana texted me the correct team.

[Diana Rossini]

Just look now. Just look now. Just look now. Just look now.

[James Palmer]

Okay, I'll look now. You're correct. Okay. Moving on to the last part of Scoop City, we got Jacob Robinson from the Scoop City newsletter. See, I crushed it. He's going to be here asking Diane and I a question. We're going to answer that coming up next. Hope it's not Tom Brady cloning his dog.

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All right, welcome back to a packed Wednesday Scoop City edition. James Palmer, Diana Cini with you. And we love our Wednesday questions. This one coming from Jacob Robinson. The Scoop City newsletter. I'm not entirely sure what this is, but I do have a pretty good idea. Jacob, take it away. Diane James, hope you're doing okay after a busy trade deadline day. You know, I was looking through the newsletter and I found that number of trades for star players and first round picks has been increasing substantially over the years. And I wanted to turn it to you. Has it felt like trade deadline day has gotten a lot busier? Is your phone going crazier yesterday than it typically has been? Are you getting more calls, text messages is what does trade deadline day look like for Diana Rossini and James Palmer? I think two of the most plugged in people that I know. I want to hear from you guys. Jacob I'm blushing. What a compliment at the end. Diana.

[Diana Rossini]

Right?

[James Palmer]

Especially from him. I mean, wow. I like it. You go first. You are the insider. You are the lifeblood of the news here at the Athlete I Love, by.

[Diana Rossini]

The way, it's called, it's called the compliment block. And we just do nothing but kindness to each other.

[James Palmer]

You guys are great parents. What we need you guys to tell us is and I'm like, oh, thank you so Much I appreciate it. I feel like I'm failing. My wife called me today and was like, our son hates me. I'm like, oh, great, cool.

[Diana Rossini]

What an I am. I'm laughing at that.

[James Palmer]

She was like, this is the last thing I have to deal with today. Okay. What has it been like? Because you do. You have two boys. You got Kev, you got a lot going on in the light. How are you balancing all this? What's the phone? What was the phone like compared to years past? Like Jacob asked.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, you know, the days. It was, it was very busy. It was very busy. But it was more the lead up. To me, that was the hard part because every week was changing depending on how the teams finished that Sunday, usually on whether or not they were going to be a aggressive or not. I had teams that I expected to be buyers that backed off because they weren't winning that much. And team said, and you kind of touched on it before. Teams with decision makers and staff members that are kind of cowboys weren't, weren't doing a lot of that. I had someone close to the Eagles tell me how he was antsy despite the fact that he did make some moves, that he was bored yesterday afternoon watching all of it. So look, I, I, I think it's more just a collection of it. I, I like now that it's over, though, because it does kind of chill the news cycle out a bit now. It can just really lock in on what these teams look like and we can just get excited and ready for the playoffs. Because I'm ready for that.

[James Palmer]

Yeah. More straight football now. Here we go. I think with the deadline getting pushed back a little bit, that makes it a little bit more hot. Right? I think that plays a part. I think you mention it like we're always curious, Diana, like we're trying to figure out what type of general manager is Darren Mu at the trade deadline. What is James Gladstone down in, in Jacksonville like at the deadline? We've had a lot of shuffling the last couple of years at the general manager spot. So we're, we're trying to figure out what is the mindset with some of these guys. Do you come from a less need world like James does and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Should we be paying attention? Diane? This guy comes from an F them picks type of mentality. What's his mention, you know, what's he going to be like at the deadline? So I do think with the, the, the change that happens at that spot in the executive branch. I was gonna say the executive branch of Football organization.

[Diana Rossini]

I think you make a good point. And let's look at those GMs. They made moves, right? Like they, they told us what they want to be. And I can imagine when you're a first time gm, you probably feel like you have to, right? It's like anytime you do a job for the first time, you want to prove and show. So I'm actually not surprised. And I'd heard that Jacksonville and I think we even talked about on Monday that they were, they were like, let's go, let's go, let's do something, let's do something, let's do something. You know, and they were able to, to land Jacoby Myers, which, you know, they were not a name that I, I was considering as somebody that was going to be a high in the list, Las Vegas in landing them, you know, so. Yeah, but otherwise I imagine if they move. I had a GM say to me the other day, imagine if they just moved the deadline another two weeks. Like just keep pushing it down.

[James Palmer]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. This league would, this league would do something for more action, right? Why wouldn't they, why wouldn't they do it? Oh, I will say this as my closing comment for this show, Diana. I know there's a lot of people out there that go, why didn't my general manager make a move? What are we doing? I'm going to tell you this. It was not due to a lack of effort. It was not due to a lack of phone calls and aggression. Oftentimes, well, let's say 100% of the times, it takes two teams to make a trade. You can't make a trade happen if the other side doesn't agree. And every general manager usually has an exact amount of compensation they're willing to go to and will not go above that. They have drawn a proverbial line in the sand. So I don't want you to be the fan out there that goes, I can't believe we didn't make a move. And then the next year your team makes a move and goes, I can't believe we gave away so much much. You can't have it both ways. When you talk about the trade deadline. This was awesome. This was great. You got, you got a closing scoop for us. Something that maybe hasn't been talked about.

[Diana Rossini]

I was actually something that I was thinking about if anyone told me a big lie. Right. Because there's also a little bit.

[James Palmer]

Oh yeah, it's lying season for sure.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. I was trying to reflect on. Did anyone give me Such bad intel that it was like laughable and I wasted time. I don't think it was so much this season. I had one a few years ago. I was like, I wasted two hours and was like, what was that? That was stupid. I will say I thought the more active general manager in football, Nick Casterio, would have been jumping in more. He did not.

[James Palmer]

That's a really good point.

[Diana Rossini]

What's going on there?

[James Palmer]

Lines tough. I thought maybe running back they'd be in the market for, you know, I mean with what's going on in that.

[Diana Rossini]

Backfield, you know, they tried but again like to your point, but I thought he'd be able to get. He, he's the best. From what I understand from talking to teams that deal with him. I of. He kind of, he's really quick at going, can you do this? Can you not? He's kind of like right to the point. If not all right, what can we do to make it work? All right, let's do it. Pull the band aid. Let's go. And moves on to the next. So just, just not, not the time for him. We'll see what happens in the off season when we know that they, they probably need to make some improvements there, especially on that offensive line that you bring up. So either way, that was awesome.

[James Palmer]

I'm glad I asked that question. We got a little insight on the Texans and Nicocero right here at the end for Diana Rossini, Jacob Robinson, James Palmer here. We'll see you on Thursday for another scoop city. This was outstanding.

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