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Philip Rivers returns: Kurt Warner discusses the unprecedented signing + Calen Bullock interview
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How you doing?
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I'm doing good.
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Yeah? You should be doing good, man. Yeah. Come on.
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What's. What's the temperature in Houston right now? What are we practicing?
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It was like 70 today. It was actually pretty outside.
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Nice day. Yeah. Okay. All right. Love it. We're gonna go 10, 12 minutes, something like that. 10 minutes. What do you got? You good with that? We don't have anywhere to be. Okay, cool.
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Nope.
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Oh, yeah. Let's go then. All right.
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You ready?
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Yes, sir.
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Awesome. You don't need to cut that. Sir.
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Welcome into Scoop City on a Wednesday. I'm James Fomber. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Please do both. If you just do one, I'll like you. If you do both, I will love you forever. We have a monster show coming up for you today. The great Kurt Warner, good friend, hall of Famer, joins the show. He will break down everything regarding Philip Rivers return coming out of retirement. Guess what? Kurt thought about doing it once in years past. He'll tell us everything he's concerned with and not concerned with with Philip Rivers. But we don't end the conversation there. We'll talk about all of these second year quarterbacks that have a chance to make a postseason run and what could hold each of them back. Caleb Williams, Drake May, Bo Nicks, we break them all down as well as Jalen Hurts and what's wrong with this Phillies offense. We'll see exactly what Kurt says. I think it may surprise you also. Maybe one of the best players in the NFL, Texan safety Kaylin Bullock, joins the show. You have to hear this conversation because you're going to remember that name moving forward.
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All right.
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Joined now by hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner. We worked together, Kurt, for a long time. Great to see you. I want to pick your brain on a ton of things as we're now down in the home stretch. But obviously the big news as we're talking to each other on Tuesday, Philip Rivers, 44 years old. I hear everything today. Kurt is. He knows the system inside and out. He's been talking to Shane Steichen. He still hasn't played football in five years. What, when you first heard this news, what was the first thing that went across your mind?
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I mean, obviously it's, it's crazy. You know, just from the standpoint of you think about age and you think about the time out of the game, you know, I think the thing I worry about the least is throwing the football, you know, because that's a trait. You know, I do a lot of training now and I hardly ever throw throughout the year and I go and train a lot of guys and when I do that, like I out throw all of them, you know, just because of, you know, the technique and when you know how to do it, it's, it's like riding a bike. Like, it comes back to you. And that technique can guide you in so many ways. Even though your arm may be, you know, a little bit weaker, you may not be able to throw it as far, you could still make the majority of the throws with no problem. That you need to make. So that's the. That's the least of it.
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The other parts are, you know, just the physical movement part of it. When you haven't been doing something that is reactionary and has all this speed and these athletes around you, I'm curious how quickly that can come back. And then, of course, you know, there's, you know, little nuances to defenses and stuff that. That are different, and to be able to get up to speed mentally, to see it. You know, I've always been one of those guys that says I respect the game too much to think that I could sit out for five years and then just come back and pick up where I left off, you know, But. But, you know, I've heard, you know, Philip, he's obviously coaching, so he's around football. You know, how much he's throwing it. I don't know. I know he's trained some guys in the off season, so who knows what that's really like? Because I don't think any of us really know. We could sit back. I remember I had retired for a couple years, and the Cardinals were going through a bunch of quarterback issues, and I went out back and started dropping and throwing a little bit, and I was kind of going, hey, if they call me, I. I'll entertain it. They never called, so I never had to see whether I was. I could do it or not. Yeah. But, you know, those are the things that I think about when. When I hear this, like, okay, not worried about him throwing the football as much as I'm worried about the other aspects. And again, like, I don't know how quickly he's going to get thrown in there. And if he gets thrown in there quickly, like, just, you know, being able to play and protect yourself and have a semblance of success, you know, because we. And again, I'm sure Philip doesn't really care, you know, how it. How it plays out, you know, big picture wise. But, I mean. But we're all competitors, and we want to go out there and put ourselves in a position where we can do well and we can really help our team. And so, yeah, there's a lot of questions for me, just like everybody else, and I will be fascinated if this thing plays out and it gets on the field.
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Yeah. It's been an unbelievable turn of events that has happened in Indianapolis to why we're here.
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Unfortunate.
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It really is. What was the one thing that. When you're in the backyard going, what's the one thing I'm most concerned about? If I was going to get that call was there. You know, what was the one thing if you walked into that facility that I need to check this box initially?
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Yeah, I mean, I would say there's a couple things. The first thing and, and I even thought about this when I was playing, like every off season when I would go and train and then go back to training camp, I would always wonder in my mind, okay, will my reactions and kind of feel inside the pocket be what it was last year? You know, and this is why I was still in the game, because you always wonder. You know, we always talk about quarterbacks having kind of that sixth sense. Kind of feel movement, feel pressure come in and you know, slide and move. That was one of the first things. Like if I wasn't around, know people and doing things that involved other people in movement and being able to see that, would I be able to, to do that part of it? And then the second part was just the, the mental aspect of things. Like I was such a good processor when I played. And then you're, you're not doing that. Like there's, there's nothing you're really doing in life that, that continues, you know, to, to, you know, force you fire that process information, see bodies react to it and put it all together. And so that was kind of the biggest thing for me is I even wasn't as worried physically as I was mentally. Like, I don't want to go back. And then everything's slow and everything looks like a blur and I'm just out there trying to survive instead of being able to, you know, put my best foot forward for, for myself and for the team.
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I gotcha. Yeah, it makes total sense. Monday night, Kurt, it looked like Jalen Hertz was out there trying to survive. I just, I want to get your take on this. On this offense. When I ask around and make calls and just try to figure out, hey, what's your perspective? I get so many different answers of this offense is elementary. They, they really just count on guys winning their one on ones oftentimes and we've seen that in the past with Philly. What have you seen from this offense that just makes it so I guess appear disjointed. I, I love your take.
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Yeah. You know, I'm not a guy that thinks it has to be overly complicated if you have good concepts and I think the Eagles have good solid concepts and I would agree that it's not. You know, when I was with the Rams we would have 250 pass plays in a game. Plan, you know, like I was with the Giants, we would, you know, have 65 pass plays in the office, you know, on a weekly basis. So there's a variety of ways to do it. This has been the offense they've run for a number of years, too. Like, that's the other thing that kind of surprises me when everybody says, so elementary. Well, it was the same pass offense last year, and, you know, same pass offense, you know, years ago. And so it's not like you can say it hasn't evolved, but you can also say, but we've had great success with this, and it wasn't too simple when we were winning Super Bowls and going to Super Bowls and winning playoffs. But, you know, I. I just think. I think there's a number of factors. I think there is a predictability factor to it, you know, and if you look at the game last night, I think it was Jackson, Dante Jackson, that intercepted the. The one pass on. On the curl route by devontae Smith. And on that particular play, I really felt like Jackson was like, oh, I know what's coming. And so Jalen made the right read. He threw it, you know, where he was supposed to throw it, but the DB just jumped it, you know, because he kind of, like, felt, okay, this is what they do. I started to feel devonte, you know, slow down, Boom, I'm going to jump it. And he beat devonte before he could turn around. And so was that the case? I mean, I'd love to go and talk to him like, hey, why did you jump this? What did you see? Was it just a route thing or did, you know, based off of what they had done? So. So there's part of that, but that's still a great concept. It's a concept that I ran every week in the NFL, and one was one of my favorite concepts. You know, is it a little bit of a technique thing where the, you know, the Eagles, if they have better technique, they hold off the db. And so there's lots of little factors like that. Like, if you're going to be simple, you've got to be really good at simple. Like you. You've got to be detail oriented, and you got to be able to do the right things, right, to be successful. So I don't look at it and go, man, it's overly simple. I look at it and go, they got a lot of good, solid concepts. Yes. They might not have a lot of them, but they're good, solid concepts. And so if you attack a defense, right, somebody should be open in Lots of cases.
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You know, I think the other factor is, you know, Jalen hurts is Jalen's really good at what he does really well. And then there's certain things that I don't think he's great at, and that the big part of it is kind of processing, you know, seeing it quickly and getting it out, like if he knows where he wants to go with the football. And we saw that again on Monday night, like, they could have easily won that game based on some throws that he made down the field that were just on the money. And you're going to see that every week. Like, he throwing a go route. He knows where he wants to go with the football, he can throw the football, and, you know, he can make a lot of plays. When he, you know, when. When they take away number one from him or they make number one really hard on him, that's when he struggles. And so it's not to say he's not a good quarterback. It's just to say his greatest strength is not processing, working through his reads and getting beyond, you know, number one, you know, or being able to see you. Some of, you know, some of the guys that. That are moving out there, that other guys in this league just see better. And, you know, and again, that comes down to a team now that isn't able to dominate up front, that isn't able to make it easier. And so Jalen is. Is asked to do a little bit more of that than he has in the past, and it leads to a few mistakes a game. Like, again, I don't want this to come across like, oh, Jalen can't play quarterback. You know, Jalen can't see and read. Like, that's not the case. There's just some guys that can see it, recognize it, move on, get to the right guy, and do it at a faster pace than I think Jalen does it right now. And it's the area that he's got to improve the most. And so when other factors aren't working as well as they have in the past, these things get accentuated for quarterbacks, you know, and that's just part of the deal, you know, like, I could never move. So if my offensive line was struggling and we were getting quick pressure, and that would force me to have to speed up and try to anticipate and try to guess a little bit more because I couldn't run, like, that wasn't my strength. So I had to play within my strengths and try to make it work when. When everything might not have been perfect around me. And obviously those were the games that I would struggle more than when things were better around me.
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Yeah, I love that you finished on that, Kirk, because I'm going through your timeline and I think we had an exchange on Twitter a little bit about what was going on with the Texans offense and adjustments to pressure. You just mentioned it and I have this. It could be a harebrained philosophy, Kurt. I don't know. You tow me crazy if you'd like with not having answers very quickly in some of these offenses. And I know you're screaming about it when you're watching the film and you watch all of it. I have one thought that is, are we relying on the athletic ability of some of these quarterbacks because so many of them are mobile and can move and they'll get us out of it? Like, why are we having an issue where there's not something hot right away and there's not something there? Are we relying too much on the player that plays the position?
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I don't know. I wish I could answer that question for you, but I really hope your theory is not the right theory. Like, I really hope that quarterback or that coaches aren't saying, hey, if they do bring pressure, find a way to make a play like, that's bad, get out. Like, even though we see a lot of guys do it, we saw Jalen do it last night during James comes off the edge and he freezes him and he runs around the corner and he makes a play like, we've got enough athletic quarterbacks that I've seen do that numerous times. Josh Allen, his long touchdown run in this past game in the snow was a hot situation. They brought an extra guy and he was able to dip underneath him and run for 40 yards. But that can't be the answer that we give a quarterback. We can't say, well, this is what you have to do. You got to make that big guy miss and make a point.
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Like, that's the ball in the second half. Right?
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Yeah. And so what I really, what my hair brained theory is is that coaches take two philosophies. First, they take the philosophy that, oh, I'll call the right play at the right time all the time, which I can't stand because, right, nobody's going to.
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Be able to do that.
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Like it's impossible to do that.
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But.
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Or the second theory is it won't cost us that much because I was in some places where they didn't harp on it and it's just like, yeah, we may throw hot once or twice, you know, every three weeks. And so is it worth spending the time for that? Well, the one thing I would say is in this day and age, with the way that teams are pressuring and bringing different kinds of looks, that's definitely not the case.
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Yeah.
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But to me, I don't care. Like, I don't want one negative play in a game to happen. You know what. Whatever that negative play is where, oh, they come. I was just actually just talking to. To somebody today, and they asked me about the interception I threw in the first super bowl against the Patriots. And they're like, you know, what happened on that play? And on that play, what happened was we were supposed to protect it, and we messed up the protection. And so I think it was Mike Vrabel that came free on me. And it surprised me because I thought we were going to be protected. And so naturally I'm like, oh, I got to salvage this, and I got to try to beat this protection with the throw. And so I tried to anticipate, and I was. Earlier, I was late, and I threw it behind Isaac and it becomes a pick six, and, you know, could be the thing that loses us the Super Bowl. And so I say all that to go when pressure comes and we don't have an answer for it. Right. We're not ready for it. We're not planning for it. Bad things happen, you know, whether we're taking a sack, whether we're trying to run around and it's a fumble, or whether we try to make a play like I did, and we just react to it, and then we make a dumb play and it. Yeah. At the end of the day, it comes back to us. I always use the adage, don't make a bad play worse. But when you're reacting in the moment, what you do as a playmaker is you react and you try to make a positive out of a negative, and often it goes the other way. And so. So again, I hate the answer that, hey, just make a play. I hate the idea that, oh, if it might not cost us that much, so let's not work on it. And then I think the third theory is that what teams try to do now is they try to. To solve all the. The problems or all the questions with. With their protections. And so you see a lot more of like, okay, the back is going to start with the wheel linebacker. And if the wheel linebacker doesn't come, then he's got the Sam linebacker, or if the wheel linebacker, now he's got the safety. But what teams are Doing is they walk seven guys up to the line of scrimmage and they got a guy in the A gap and that's the back's first responsibility. So he's got a step there just to see if he's coming. Whether he is or not, then the safety that they got comes off the edge or the Sam comes off the edge. And now once again, the quarterback's hot, but the quarterback's been told, don't worry about it, we'll pick it up. The back will go, will the Sam. So if they don't bring both of them, we're good. And very few teams are going to bring that. So you're good. But then the quarterback standing there like a statue thinking, oh, I'm good.
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Whack.
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He gets hit in the back. And so to me, there's a variety of issues that, that I see. And again, those are, those are all my theories. I think the other theory, and again, I got lots of them. The other one is that coaches don't understand it enough on how to build it and how to adjust it and how to have these hots as a part of everything that they do offensively.
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Yes.
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So when you don't have that now, you're kind of like, ah, we're just going to roll the dice and hope that it doesn't cost us. And I see it every week, not only cost in teams, but I think the thing that bothers me more than anything else is I see quarterbacks that have no answer or aren't ready to have an answer and they're just getting whacked over and over and over again. And it's just frustrating to watch because we just got to do a better job. We got to do better by the quarterbacks to give them, you know, solutions to the problems if we expect them to, to go out and have success. And we expect, you know, one of those negative plays not to cost us on a weekly basis.
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Yeah, that's, that's. I think all of your theories are better than mine.
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I got lots of theories. And it's probably different in different places, of course, but, but I believe all of that is part of, you know, the bigger problem that we're seeing.
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Yeah, that makes total sense. And when I look at it with, with young quarterbacks, there's three that are in postseason contention right now with, with these three second year guys and Caleb Williams and Bo Nix and Drake May. I love that they all have an experienced play caller with them. I think that's huge for a young quarterback. But if each One of these teams are kind of looking to make a run. Do you have a quick one thought maybe on each guy that you're looking to see maybe some growth from one of them? I know you watch all their films, so like down the line of Caleb, Bo and Drake, which if this gets improved, I think a run is even more possible from each one of these teams.
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Yeah, I think let's start with Caleb. I think what we've seen, and you know, or at least I'll say what I've seen is I've been impressed and convinced more and more each week that's gone on and specifically the last two weeks going to Philly and then in Green Bay, that this is a good football team. You know, like, I wasn't so sure, you know, when Ben came there and you know, with where Caleb was last year, I'm like, ah, I think it's going to take some time. The defense doesn't have a lot of big names on the defense. So you're thinking, you know, I know they've been okay in the past, but, you know, I don't know how good they're going to be. And the more I watch them, the more I think this is a good football team. Their offensive lines playing well, they're running the football really well. Their defense shows up every single week and makes plays. So to me, kind of like Ben Johnson said last week, we're kind of winning in spite of our pass game. And, and I think the biggest thing there to me is, and I don't fully agree with that because I believe Caleb's making big throws every game in the past game that's giving them chances and then and allowing them to stay in games or even win some of these games late. But I think what he's saying is that our pass game isn't efficient enough when we've got opportunities. We're not taking advantage of every opportunity that's out there and that's costing us or not, you know, not allowing us to win some of these games or get out in front in some of these games. So all that to say Caleb's got to become more efficient at hitting the layups that are out there when Ben creates a play and the plays out there, whether it's a read or a throw, and it's what I would call more of an elementary level read or throw. Like a starting quarterback in the NFL should make this throw most of the time, shouldn't make this read every time. He's got to do a better job of making those plays and if he doesn't, it's going to cost him. Against good football teams, you know, when you have to play two or three of those teams, you can't miss easy opportunities and think that you're going to make up for that. I don't think Chicago is that good. I think they're a good team. I don't think they're that good or I don't think Caleb's that good right now. To overcome that and, and make a run that way, let's go out to kind of your stomping grounds and let's go to Bo Nix and company. Here's the thing. Bo, you know, makes plays all over the place. And, you know, and so there's part of me that loves that aspect of things, is that he finds ways to make positive plays, which is always what you want from your quarterback. But for me with Bo is he's going to have to settle in, in the pocket more. I think he misses a lot of opportunities. Like the game the other night, I know he finished like 31 or 38. And you see that and you're like, oh, my gosh, you know, like, what a night that is. But when you watch the film, a lot of it was because he was passing up opportunities that were there and throwing checkdowns and getting completions, and they were positive plays, which, again, I'm. I'm all for positive plays over, of course, a negative play or anything else. But when teams give you opportunities, and again, when you're playing against the best teams in the league, when they give you opportunities, that game should have been a blowout. And I know it wasn't close to the score, but still it was too close based on the way both teams played. But a big part of it is because you know, you're settling for checkdowns and you're settling for completions when other things are there. And some of it is because he just, he plays a little too fast for me in the pocket. And I'm sure you've had conversations with them. We covered one of their games over in Europe and he told me, he said, I feel more comfortable when my feet are moving. And so there's a great analogy by Sean Payton, who was talking about Bonix versus Drew Brees. And he said, if both of them are point guards, if we're coming down and we need a shot at the end of the game to win it, if I got Drew Brees, I'm calling a timeout and we're setting up the play and we're laying out how it's going to play out, and he's going to go out there and direct it, and we're going to win that way. If it's Bo Nix, I'm not calling it out. Timeout. Let him go in the ball into him. I'm putting in his hands and I'm letting him play ball. And, you know, kind of the same thing. I'm letting him move his feet, I'm letting him go because that's where he's most comfortable and most effective. So I understand that part of it. But as a quarterback, that's not like there's times he gets the back of the pocket and he's moving already. And the great thing is he throws tremendously on the run, maybe the best thrower on the run we have in the league. So he bails himself out a lot with that. But I think he misses a lot of things because of that. And that's kind of the next step is I want all the positives and playmaking, but I also need you to make those plays, those big plays that are there in front of you because, again, those are the difference. Making plays when you're trying to make a Super bowl run, you know, that differentiate, you know, the good quarterbacks or the championship quarterbacks from. From everybody else.
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Makes sense. Real quick on Drake May. I mean, I've talked to people in that building, Kurt, that have just. I've. They've loved the way they've brought him along and the way Josh has added as time has gone on through this season. They didn't. I mean, I obviously threw it all at him at the beginning of the year and then kind of like have. Have said, that's all of it. But now let's build it as the year goes with the play action and stuff. What have you seen from.
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Yeah, I've seen him grow as well. Early in the year, I would have said something similar to.
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To.
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To Bo was that I felt like he was missing a lot of his first throws, kind of working through things a little too fast and missing some obvious things in front of him. I think he's cleaned that up and he's gotten better at it. Yeah, I just think right now he's the most complete of all of these guys. He's seeing it. I give a lot of credit to Josh McDaniels. Josh builds it like I would build it, you know, giving him answers, saying, hey, if you get this coverage, you're on this side. This is your reads. If you don't have it, get to your Check down or. Or take off and make a play. You know, I'm not a big fan of the pure progression. Start over here. Try to work across the whole field. Like, I want to know where I'm going. I want to know what my answers are. I want to feel confident in those things so I can get back and rip the football. And Josh obviously did that with Tom. Tom saw the game very much like that, and they. Together, they. You're performed at an extremely high level. Drake seems to be a guy that sees it and plays the game very much like that. And so this system, to me, fits what he's doing. Couple that with the way he's throwing the football, especially down the field. I mean, he is so accurate down the field throwing the football. He's got great touch on the ball. You know, I always say firm, but soft. You know, when you watch him throw it, he never seems to throw it too hard and. And throw it through you like maybe Caleb Williams would. But the ball always gets there. It's always firm. It's always going, you know, gets to where it's going, and it's easy to catch. And so I just love the way he's playing right now. And so I think he just needs to continue to advance with what he's doing. But I think the way that he's playing right now of. Of all of these guys is the guy that I would say if he continues to play like this through the playoffs, they have a real chance, you know, to compete for a championship.
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Yeah, I'm excited to see it. All right, I got to squeeze one more out of you, because I feel like Jordan Love is on the verge Of. Of entering that elite group. I feel like we've been waiting. Third year in the system. A lot of people say that. G. Right. You take full ownership maybe at that time. What have you seen from. From Love? To me, third down has been outstanding. Third long, specifically, has been, you know, his money time, which is very difficult oftentimes to complete. What have you seen from Love that maybe could push the packers? Because this is a Super bowl roster in a lot of people's minds. Yeah.
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Yeah. I really like Jordan and. And what he does. I think he plays with great poise and great calm. You know, moments aren't too big. He doesn't panic very often. You know, he's really good with the long ball and it has the ability to make it, you know, when he's not, you know, in structure or, you know, kind of falling away and doing some of those things. So I think his long ball and the big plays are great for them. I think the other thing that he does is he gets positive plays, kind of like Bo as well. So, you know, if he doesn't see something, he's going to get a completion for you. Now, there's that intermediate area that I want to see, the uptick, you know, where it's not holding it and throwing it down the field and it's not quickly getting to a check down. And I will say, you know, sometimes I'm not a huge fan of the past game that the packers run, you know, and some of the things that they do, but when I watch him on film, there are a number of throws that I think are out there that either doesn't see or he just passes on. And I can't quite figure out what it is. I can't quite figure out that piece. But again, I'm a believer that you have to let the offense work for you if you're going to try to, you know, if you're going to miss opportunities through the course of the game and expect to get, you know, enough big plays or that the checkdowns are always going to win for you. I think that's a tough formula. Now you got a good defense. You know, he's got some good pieces around him that, you know, again, better teams can get away with missing more of those opportunities. But if I'm going to see him take that step to elite, I want to see him make the big plays. I want to see him make the positive plays, but I want to see him make most of the plays. Right. That, to me, is what makes an elite quarterback, is you make most of the plays that are out there in front of you on a consistent basis. And when you can do that, that's when you take that step up. Because now I can win however you want. I win with big plays. I can win by playing the offense. I can win by finding the positive play when there's not a lot there. That's what takes you to the next level. And that, to me, is just the. The small missing piece. He does a lot of things well. The small missing piece that I want to see a little bit more consistency with.
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B
Yeah, that's a great point. It was when they lost Tucker Kraft. It was kind of like, what's that underneath type of answer that we have.
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E
Right underneath the intermediate area of the field that's not just dropping it to a back or dropping it to a late leak by a tight end. Exactly.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Really great point, Kurt. I truly appreciate this. You're outstanding. This is wonderful. It was great to chat with you again. I hope the family has a wonderful holiday. Hope you guys have a great time together. We'll be talking, but thank you so.
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E
Much for you Got it.
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B
I'm always smarter after we chat. Yeah, smarter.
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E
Chopping it up with you, my man. And happy holidays to you and your family as well. And I'm sure we'll cross paths in the near future.
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B
Certainly. Thank you so much. I could just talk ball with Kurt all day. I really could. It's probably one of the greatest things that I got to do over the years and I love doing it. We'll do it again on this show sometime soon, but we do have a great guest coming up, so stay tuned to Scoop City. Kalyn Bullock joins us. Maybe one of the best players in the NFL you're not paying attention to. One of the best safeties in the league is a part of one of the best defenses in the league. And the Texans are red hot. Stay tuned to Scoop City. Have you ever heard of Gold Belly? It's this amazing site that honestly I do order from all the time. It's where you can get the most iconic famous foods from restaurants all across the US and they will ship it anywhere across the country. It's perfect for hosting loved ones. It's a truly magical. I'm not just exaggerating with these adjectives, by the way. Unforgettable gift making this holiday season. One that you'll talk about about for years. Gold Belly can ship, really show stopping meals from the country's best steakhouses to iconic Joe's Stone Crab in Miami. Oh my gosh, I love that place. And I can't get enough the famous desserts like the Christmas pie cake and or Martha Stewart's incredible cakes, you can get them sent right to your door again anywhere in this country. And why am I saying this? Because the holidays really are the perfect time for this legendary gift of legendary flavors with something like, you know, Junior's cheesecake from New York City. Listen, I, I cover the NFL, so I am away from my family during the holidays. It's either Thanksgiving and I'm on my own and it's Christmas and oftentimes maybe I have my family, but I don't have my parents. And my mom loves to make me feel close to her around her favorite holiday of Christmas. Why not send a Dubai chocolate cake to me, which she has done in the past and has changed my Christmas season day with my family easily. And it's I'm getting just unbelievable quality sent to my house. Just it just arrives and I'm having cake. It's as simple as that. And she knocks it out of the park. So if you're looking for the perfect gift for anyone on your list or you want to impress your friends and family with an unforgettable meal, make hosting a breeze. Maybe this holiday season. Go to goldbelly.com and get 20% off your first order with the promo code Scoop. That's goldbelly.com code Scoop for 20% off your first order.
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All right, welcome back to Scoop City. I'm James Palmer. We have a very special guest. I'm going to say it. It's Kaylin Bullock from the Houston Texans, one of the best safeties in the league. Kaylan. I'm going to say that and I'm going to say that repeatedly throughout the show because we have something we do accomplish in this interview. We need to get you love for the way that you're playing. Okay.
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C
Appreciate that. Appreciate that a lot.
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B
We're going to do that. So you're fresh off the practice field. I used to cover this team. I was a beat reporter in Houston. What do we do? Do back to the stadium. Do you. Are you one of these guys that takes a cart? How do you get back from the practice?
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C
I took apart today. I took the carts out of. I did some extra catching off the jug. So.
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B
Okay.
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C
Cart came, picked me up after practice.
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B
I love it. I love it. Back in the day, man. Arian Foster, Dwayne Brown, those guys were on the team when I was covering. They used to take segues from the practice field back to the facility. 300 pound offensive lineman riding Segways was a bit dangerous.
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E
So they got rid of those.
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C
That's crazy.
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B
They got rid of those. I mentioned at the top, one of the best, I think, safeties in the league. I'm not alone in this. I want to say this. 43.2 completion percentage. You're allowing fourth best in the NFL. 42.7 passer rating, third best in the NFL. I remember when Shane Steichen was talking to the media when you guys were playing the Colts. He more or less said, I think you guys are forgetting somebody. Kalen Bullock was playing like one of the best safeties in the league. He had to remind the media group that he was talking to how do we get you this love with the way you're playing, man? What could we do on this show to help you out?
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C
Hey, just. I got to do my job first.
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E
I got to keep doing your part.
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C
I got to keep going out there and making plays so I can help y' all out and help me out.
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B
It'll be circular, but we'll do it. You're doing your part. We'll try to do our part. Push for a Pro Bowl. Let's do it. I asked some kind of executives around the league before we did this because I wanted to chat with you and I thought this was great for an opposing team. He said, I think he's playing like one of the best post safeties in the NFL right now. Reminds me of Earl Thomas playing in a defense. What's your thought when you hear that from somebody who's watching your game in the second year?
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C
I appreciate that a lot, especially me growing up watching Earl Thomas and I know he was a great post player. So I take a lot from his game. So just hearing that, it mean a lot. Especially from a player that I watch a lot.
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B
Yeah. Who else did you watch like, other.
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C
Than like I said, a lot of Earl Thomas, a lot of Ed Reed. I love them too. Like them probably was my two main guys, guys who's around the ball in the post a lot of. So that's who I like. Tried to model my game after.
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B
I love that. Yeah. Hey, you're talking about some guys that could cover some ground.
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C
You talking about. Yeah, some dogs that cover the ground.
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B
It reminds me of that pick you had against Bo Nixon and Denver, man. You came all the way across the field.
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C
Yes, sir.
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B
You're coming off of an outstanding performance as a group. You hold Patrick Mahomes to one of his worst if not worst performance of his career. I want to go into the film room. When you guys got back to the facility, I know you had off till what, till Wednesday? Till today, I think Coach gave you.
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C
Yes, sir.
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B
What was it like when you guys were in the film room and you see Jalen Petrie's hit on Rashi Rice? What is the reaction in the room when you get a chance to see that on film?
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C
Everybody was just like, oh, snap. Like, just seeing it on film. Of course, we seen it in person, live, like, in the game. But seeing it on film was even crazier. It was like NFI laid him out. Like he. He killed that boy out there.
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B
He did, man. He did. Not only did, he also have a pick that he tipped to himself, which was unbelievable.
- [36:54]
C
Unbelievable player. Unbelievable.
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B
And what you're doing. I mentioned him, obviously. You bet the corner. I'll get to them as well, with the way that Sting and Laster are playing. But you're so physical as a group, and that seems to be something that's really difficult for secondaries to do in today's NFL with the way calls go and the way it's officiated. How are you coached? How are you guys doing this to be as physical of a group as you are back there? Because it's hard in today's league to intimidate receivers, and I think you guys do that.
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C
I mean, we just got that savage mindset. Everybody on the back end. We Savages out there. That's our mindset. When we go out there, we gonna hit. We gonna be sticky in coverage. We gonna be a complete defense. Like you said. You don't find too many defenses where the defensive backs is out there just hitting. You see Kamari coming off the edge. Like, it's a lot of us. We all just savages. We got that Savage mindset.
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B
Yeah. Oh, listen, you're an outstanding group. You're all ball Hawks. I look at what you have. I don't know if you know this. You and the Chargers are the only teams that have more interceptions than passing touchdowns allowed as a defense.
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E
That's crazy, right?
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B
And so you have four. What? Who else has four? Petrie.
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C
Yep.
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B
And both corners have three, right? In Laster. Yes. All right. You're all catching balls. Who's the best receiver out of the group? You played receiver in high school.
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C
That's me for sure. Yeah, that's me for sure. Hands down. Hands down. Ain't no question I'm the best receiver. If I had to go switch.
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E
Yeah.
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C
Yeah. I'm the best receiver for sure.
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B
Are we lobbying at all to d' Ameco at all about.
- [38:22]
C
Nah, we only do that our receivers, they, they, they get in the ball, they sell.
- [38:26]
B
We just got a lot of good receivers. Yeah, yeah, you got a lot. What's your. What would be your favorite route? Go to route as a receiver, come.
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C
Back, sell the goal, come back, they gonna think, break down, get out my brakes.
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B
Yeah, yeah, listen, that's when you use that footwork as a corner to your advantage.
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C
Exactly.
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B
And as a, as a guy in the secondary. So you going against Trey McBride this week. Nobody has more catches in the NFL this season. What makes him such a difficult cover that you guys gotta focus on this week? You know the ball's going there.
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C
Yeah, we know. Like, he's fast. He run every route. They use him as a receiver. He's. He's what? Tied with Puka?
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B
I think it's him and Puka with 93.
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C
Him and Puka? Yeah, him and Puka. So that, that tells you like they're getting the ball to him. And after he catch the ball, he's trying to get somewhere with it. He's trying to go score, breaking off a lot of tackles. So he's one of the best right now.
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B
Yeah, he is. And listen, they're just one of those offenses that you have a couple of them more down the line to keep this going. What you guys are playing as the best defense in football, what has worked so well? I mean, I don't think there's even an argument after what you guys did against Josh Allen, what you guys did against Patrick Mahomes. I think that solidified it nationally that this is the best defensive football. Why is it the best defense in football?
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C
I think just going to the coaching staff, they let every guy go out there and play fast. They don't want us out there second guessing, thinking too much. We stick to our play calls and we execute. That's what we preach the whole week. Let's execute the fundamentals and get those down pat and let everybody go out there and swarm and play fast and we just all trust each other, gonna do their job. Let the front end go hunt in the back end, we be sticky.
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B
Yeah, listen, I don't know if I've ever seen really in recent memory a better rush and cover group. And the way you guys feed off rush and covers work together, it's outstanding. I mentioned the Josh Allen game. I gotta ask you this real quick. What you did in that game with you get two picks, you force a fumble you chest bump a referee, you kind of did everything out there. Is that the best game you've ever played?
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C
Yeah, that's for sure the best game I ever played, especially primetime football. It don't get no better than that whole world watching versus Josh Allen, who just came off mvp. Yeah, that's for sure. Best game.
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B
Yeah, I love it. And I mentioned what you guys did against him, what you guys did against Pat this past week. What's the mindset in the building, Kaylin? Is it embrace this, keep riding high, or, like, let's not get too high? We still have work to get done. Like, how are you guys using the way you're playing?
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C
We just talked about that today, actually.
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E
We.
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C
We don't focus on the outside. We not getting too high. We going to keep. Keep our head down and focus and keep stacking each week. Go out there, improve while we're one of the best. That's all we can do. We can't get caught up into the media, what people say. The Pat's on our back because, shoot, we see how we started off. We started off not too good, but we turned it around and we got to keep rolling.
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B
Yeah. And a big part of that. And I know you're not on this side of the ball, but you see C.J. stroud back and you see that group and you mentioned the receivers that you guys have, you have a lot of them. What have you seen from your offense this second half of the year? You have a new play caller. Obviously you get to see what they do. What are you seeing from them? The back half of the year that you can see them maybe take their side of the ball up a little bit and play alongside.
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C
I'll say just their confidence level. Their confidence level has been high. We know we got the pieces. We know we got the guys to go out there and make plays, and we know we got one of the best quarterbacks to go get them guys the ball. And CJ's playing at a high level. Our receivers playing at a high level. Nico. So we get them guys the ball. Let our O line give. Give CJ some time back there. And he make magic. He made. He make things happen.
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B
Yeah, yeah, he does. He has, man. Third and long against at Arrowhead. He was making plays, man. He was making plays. I mentioned that. Nick's a new play caller. You guys, you're so talented as a defense. And d' Ameco up and just gives up play calling and gives it to Matt Burke, your defensive coordinator. A handful of games into the season what was that switch like? What has worked since that switch happened?
- [42:27]
C
I would say it was no different. Coach Burke, he lets us go out there and play physical, play fast, same as d'. Ameco. We not holding back. We gon. Like you said, the rushing cover works. So Coach Burke, he lets us go out there and he wants to take away all the confusion during the week. If we're confused on something and something don't look right, we're going to take it out. Let's not play that. Let's stick to our fundamentals, our technique, our regular play calls that we go out there and execute that we know like the back of our hands and that's what we go do.
- [42:58]
B
I love it. I love it. And you've been doing it. You've been doing it. All right, before you go, I got to. I got to ask you this. The biggest story in the NFL is Philip Rivers right now, right? He rejoins the Colts. You play the Colts last week of the season. I looked this up. Your head coach played against Philip Rivers. Okay? So put that in perspective. And I looked up this insane game that d' Ameco was playing middle linebacker for for the Philadelphia Eagles. Listen to this. Philip Rivers throws for 419 against D' Ameco & Co. With three touchdowns, no picks. He wins 33. He's not gonna like that. Listen to this. He wins 33. 30 over Michael Vick in the Eagles. Vic threw for 428 in that game and two touchdowns. I mean, I don't know how much defense was being played in this game.
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Has d'. Amico. You gotta ask d' Amico about Philip Rivers, the trash talk, because he's one of the biggest trash talkers on the planet. But he still won't curse. Will you be able to trash talk a grandfather? Because that is what Philip Rivers is. He is a.
- [44:01]
C
Grandfather. We're gonna have some jokes for him. We're gonna have some jokes for him. For sure. Especially going at his age and him being out there. You probably take one of these sacks from Danielle Hunter and Will, your body might break out here. We don't.
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B
Know.
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He's double your age, man.
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E
Like.
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It'S insane.
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B
That. I love the way you're playing. I love the way this defense is playing. It's been outstanding. I know that building has been rocking. You guys play on that side of the ball for sure. And this is, this is what we're going to do. This is our, like, first campaign of the.
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E
Year. Yeah, for.
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B
Sure. Play well. Stay healthy, man. Watch. Enjoy watching you guys go down the.
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C
Stretch. Thank.
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B
You. As Kayla and I talked about guess what? Philip Rivers will face the Texans Week 18. We have more on Rivers because James Boyd, our Colts reporter, has seen him on the field, been in the locker room, been in the press conference. He's going to take us inside the Colts facility Next on Scoop City.
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All right, welcome back to Scoop City on a Wednesday. James Palmer with you with one of our favorite guests. James Boyd joins us. He's been on here a bunch. It's when they Were red hot, those Indianapolis Colts. And then it was like, oh, no, what's happening, James? And now we're back talking these Colts nonstop because Philip Rivers is in the building. I feel like there was a sense and take me inside the facility and what that press conference was like today to where maybe it was very grim, very somber, like things are not going well. Did the energy change or is it the same? What's it like with Phil Livers walking in the door? Is there a different.
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D
Feel? Absolutely. We joke here that when you come into the facility and there's nobody lining the walls of the media room, nothing's happening. Today it was packed, you know, with cameras and, you know, cold staffers who probably had no reason to being in here other than being nosy and wanting to see Philip Rivers try to restart his football career. And then just the emotion from him in general walking in saying how grateful he was to be back in the NFL. And you know how I feel like just yesterday he was with the Colts leading to the playoffs. All of the above. So a lot of emotion, Some tears from Philip Rivers as well. So for me, it just feels like I'm living in the twilight zone. But this is real.
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B
Life. This is real life. This is it. You're entering another dimension. It's. It's Philip Rivers. How about the. Are we going to enter another dimension on Sunday? Tell me this. If Philip Rivers starts on Sunday, would it be because he's ready or because Riley Leonard's not healthy enough to start? What would be the reason that Philip Rivers.
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D
Starts? I think it would be because he's ready. Because when Shane was asked, hey, is Riley still your starter this year? He said, we're working through that. And that, to me, said everything right then and there about how they feel about Philip Rivers and his ability to perhaps play this coming Sunday. And I should have asked Shane Steichen, excuse me, I know this is all great and everything, but he's 44. And are you sure he came here to play? Like, not mentor Raleigh Leonard, not just be here for an emergency? He's like, no, absolutely, he came to play. So Shane Steichen, who notoriously never gives anything in interviews, he's very boring, for that matter. But today he even had more juice and energy in his voice. And he was very bullish on Philip Rivers coming out of retirement and stepping right in and trying to help this team. So I would not be surprised at all if they got to the end of the week and Ryan Leonard is healthy. But then Philip Rivers has practiced, and they're weighing, hey, who gives us the better chance? And they go with Philip.
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B
Rivers. I can't wait. I can't wait. It's not like that Seattle defense is any sort of a slouch. And so we had Kurt Warner on earlier in the show, James, and he was talking about, I guarantee the arm's still fine. You saw him on the practice field. I'm wondering what you got. You can't watch a lot during the week. I get it. But I think everybody's curious how he moves. Kirk talked about those sudden movements in the pocket as something that he would keep an eye on. Like, how did. I mean, you don't move a bunch when you're warming up, but just your overall assessment of Philip Rivers on a football field, an NFL football field, not coaching high.
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D
School. Well, two things to just consider and keep in mind when it comes to Philip Rivers, he did say he's heavier than he was when he last played, and I do think that is accurate, seeing him out there in his practice uniform. However, the arm looks fine. I mean, for the most part, we don't get to watch, obviously, the team periods. It was more just routes on air, but the arm looks fine. But one other thing to note as well, James, is the order. And maybe I'm reading too much into this, but the order of the order. Philip Rivers was the starter in practice for the portion that we viewed. He took the first reps, every single drill, and then it was Riley Leonard and then it was Brett Rippen. That to me, again, kind of leads me to believe that they're seriously considering this guy being up to speed. And, oh, one bonus, one for you. They were not supposed to practice today. For the last two weeks, Shane Steichen had gone with a walkthrough on Wednesdays, and he's done that in years past to keep his team fresh at this time of the year. But a few hours after they agreed to a deal with Philip Rivers yesterday, I get an email saying, oh, no, no, no, no. There's no more walkthrough. There's a practice Wednesday. And Shane said flat out today a part of that reason for the change was to get Philip Rivers more.
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B
Reps. Oh, I love it. And so that's what we get when we bring you in here. You're taking us inside the facility. Bring me in one more time. What's going on with the rest of the guys in the locker room? Like, when you ask other players about Philip Rivers returning and being their possible quarterback moving forward, most of the answers are.
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D
What.
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There'S a healthy level of respect there because they appreciate him even trying to come out of retirement, especially help them get into the playoffs. And then there's familiarity. Every person I talked to in the locker room today is like, okay, well, we know either from watching him as a kid growing up, some of the younger players like Tyler Warren, or as a former teammate like Zaire Franklin or Michael Pittman Jr. Who caught his first touchdown pass from Philip Rivers, was saying, no, we believe in him because we've seen him do it before. And I think that helps them just kind of believe that it's possible even five years.
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E
Later.
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B
Yeah. Okay. Well, then I have to ask this question because we are all very excited about this. And Phillips, one of the best personalities and one of the best players we've ever seen play the position in the league. This also does have some of a perception of grasping at straws here in. In a season that seems to be slipping away after such a great start. Could there be, in your opinion, just being around the facility and talking to your sources, that certain things could be evaluated if this goes terribly wrong or whatever sense that it started so well and it didn't finish well with new ownership James in place essentially, and making the call, is there any fear for Chris Ballard or Shane Steichen or anything that could maybe rattle the organization this offseason with the way this season has gone, specifically, if this doesn't go.
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D
Well at all, all, I think the possibility of losing out could change everything for this franchise because if they were to lose the last four games of the year, they will be tied with the Jeff Saturday season from a few years ago for the longest losing streak to end a season in Colts history, which would be seven straight games. And so if they're not able to get on the board after the Hail Mary, Philip Rivers, and despite all the injuries, I think you're going to have to have some conversations about keeping this regime together and your future at quarterback as well. Because, yes, you can say the injuries were a factor, but. But you could also say, okay, Chris Ballard, you've had eight years before this one to get it right, and you didn't get it done. And Shane Steichen, you're three years in. If you missed the playoffs, how many head coaches can, you know, get a job, miss playoffs for the first three years and keep that job? And then as far as quarterbacks go, what are your options going into 2026? Because who knows what Daniel Jones will look like, how he'll recover. You know, Anthony Richardson remains on injured reserve due to an eye injury. Is he a possibility for next year? Is he certainly back in place? There's so many factors and I think Carly Ursay Gordon will certainly have to have some tough conversations and really, you know, think along the pros and cons. Very much so, because there is no black and white decision for her to make because of so much nuance that's happened over the last.
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It's unbelievable, really. It's been one of the more fascinating seasons. I'm curious where it ranks for you in terms of just anything and everything that could possibly go wrong, from pregame eye injuries to playing on a broken leg to an Achilles to an amazing comeback for, for Daniel Jones and reviving his career. All these different things that have happened. An unbelievable trade through the middle of the season. We're going to keep our eyes focused on this Indianapolis Colts organization. I know you'll, you'll be on here a bunch. James, Appreciate you joining us, man. Also want to thank Kaylin Bullock from the Texans star safety. You gotta pay attention to this man joining the show as well, as well as hall of Famer Kurt Warner. That'll do it for Scoop City on a Wednesday. James, get back. Get back to work. I think he had a couple more Philip river stories to write, of course.
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