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WHY Caleb Williams will be the first 4,000-yard passer in Bears history
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James Palmer
I was kind of waiting today, like when is Chase gonna mention that I got a cop?
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Chase Daniel
I saw it the first I saw it but I just didn't want to give you that in the pre production call.
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James Palmer
I actually thought Chase too. I was thinking of what it costs and I was like how does Chase get his haircut every week?
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Chase Daniel
I got one too but I was in dire situation in Nashville and I.
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James Palmer
Know somebody went to somebody you didn't know you went an untrusted barber dude.
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Chase Daniel
So I'm crazy about it. I met this dude on social media. It was Kane Brown's like main barber who follows him around. We're just in London and he came through and cut and it was like 125 bucks and I was freaking out. I was like this is so expensive.
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James Palmer
You'Re like this better.
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Chase Daniel
He came to the house. It is, though. I'm like, dude, I'm like, this guy's.
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James Palmer
You're like, I'm flying to Nashville for cuts.
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Chase Daniel
Let's go.
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James Palmer
Oh, welcome into Scoop City on a Wednesday. I am James Palmer. We have our Monday crew. I'll get to that in just a second. We're going to break down some quarterbacks because Chase Daniel is here. We are going to talk about a variety of them. We got the film. Also, who could be the right fit for a rookie quarterback as he heads into year two next year in Nashville as the Titans have fired Brian Callahan? We'll get to that. So we'll talk about Cam Ward. We'll see what he needs to put him in the right place to play in year two of his NFL season. Josh Allen. What is wrong with the Buffalo Bills offense? Those Falcons were coming after him, by the way. I'm not going to lie. And then lastly, we have Caleb Williams, who. How has Caleb Williams played? We could have a 4,000 yard passer with the Chicago Bears. Let's bring in Diana Rossini, the athletic senior NFL insider I mentioned. Chase is joining us. Guys, this is a Monday. We don't know what day of week it is because Chase is somewhere in a mustard colored room, which means he's calling a game. But it's also not a Saturday. Is everybody else sixes and sevens here? We don't know what's happening. It's a Wednesday. Good to see you.
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Chase Daniel
Six, seven where I'm at?
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Diana Rossini
No, but do you guys realize we're almost 50 days into the season already? So we have that like 50 day in. You know how we do that in politics? You know, after the. It's like the President's first hundred days or something. Hundred days, yeah, but the first 50 days. Yeah. Well, this is like half, you know, the NFL season's like half the year. So it's like the first, the first 50 days of the NFL. And guess what we know nothing. I mean, we know a little bit, right? But who's good? Not right. I know. I don't know.
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James Palmer
I don't know.
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Chase Daniel
Color, building.
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James Palmer
It looks great.
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Chase Daniel
I'm in a Hampton Inn because I'm a Hilton Diamonds member. Shout out Hilton. Love those hotels. But this hotel is in Jacksonville, Alabama, and it's very mustard. Looking around.
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James Palmer
Very mustard.
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Chase Daniel
In the 90s, 80s maybe. Carpet on the floor. Give me the ick a little bit. But we're here.
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James Palmer
Do you go barefoot in there then Chase, if you got carpet like that In a hotel.
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Chase Daniel
I have socks on right now. James.
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Chase Daniel
Asking. Even when I get out of the shower, I have. I don't have slippers yet, but I'm not. I am not walking on this carpet.
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James Palmer
Yeah, we might need a pair of roses.
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Diana Rossini
You definitely don't follow on Instagram or TikTok, but there's this thing, and I'm sure Hillary definitely follows it, where right now it's very trendy to figure out what your colors are. So this person will come to your house and put different color palettes next to your face. And she's like a professional color matcher. And I think she would come to your room and be like, mustard kind of works on Chase.
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James Palmer
Mustard plays for this man. Mustard plays for him.
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Chase Daniel
You know, Mizzou Tigers aren't really mustard, but they're gold.
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James Palmer
You know what I mean? It's close. It's close. I get it. I get it. All right. All right, let's move along here to what we are hearing. And, Diana, we want to jump into this because. Oh, Surprise, surprise. The November 4th trade deadline is right around the corner. Teams are kind of getting things in line. Right. They're making some calls. They know their finances. They kind of know where they stand within their roster. That this guy we thought maybe had a chance to fill the spot. Yeah, he can't do it. We need to get help outside the organization, but there's so many more people, it seems like, that are seeking than those that are willing to give up, it seems. Are we going to have as many moves as come November 4th as people assume we are?
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Diana Rossini
I think it's going to feel bigger than what the actual day may be. You know, picture it just being a steak, and it's coming out of the kitchen, and it's sizzling, but when it makes. When the plate makes it to your table, it may just be like a hammer, you know, like, it's not a filet mignon.
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Chase Daniel
Oh, it's extra well done, not medium rare. Yeah.
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James Palmer
Disgusting.
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Diana Rossini
Wait, you eat well done?
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Chase Daniel
No, no.
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James Palmer
I don't trust anybody who eats well done.
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Chase Daniel
I'm, like, rare.
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Diana Rossini
I know, I know. Same here. Right, James, you. You. You said something that. That stood out, though. You were like, teams, you know, are looking at the rosters. They know what they need. I agree with you. But there's also this category of teams right now that aren't actually sure what they are right now, because the next three weeks are going to determine that.
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Chase Daniel
So.
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Diana Rossini
Yes. Do they have a plan in place and they're having conversations about what we want to add or what we want to sell, depending on how the next, you know, few games go. Absolutely. But the teams that are ahead right now. Right. Teams like the Chiefs, for example, they're looking for defensive linemen. Right. They're going to be making calls over the next few days. There's teams that need running backs. If we wanted to kind of start with just talking about the position I'm hearing the most in terms of are calling. You have the pass rushers and the pass catchers. I would break it down like that in terms of how much I'm hearing about what teams are looking for. It's a different conversation to have about what teams are actually willing to give up this time of year and how we'll go there. So go ahead.
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James Palmer
Yeah, that's what I was saying. The buyers kind of know much more, Diana, right now than the sellers. Right. You want to know if there's still a couple more weeks to find out if you're a full on seller. The buyers know what they're looking for. I think over these next couple of weeks we'll find out more about do the Titans want to give up Calvin Ridley, like, what's happening in Nashville? We'll get to that. We'll talk about Cam Ward coming up in the show. Jacoby Myers, names like that, all the multiple receivers in New Orleans. Like, I think these are things that need to be figured out. But the buyers are all interested.
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Chase Daniel
We know there are any blockbuster trades, like we think in like, big or are they like more like, you know.
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Diana Rossini
If they were to go down, if it were to happen. Chase, like, like, I think that's also like another way of you saying, like, what's the biggest name we'd say.
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James Palmer
Yeah, exactly.
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Diana Rossini
I've got my eye on Trey Hendrickson. Right. We talked about this last week where we said that the 49ers were definitely interested and they're not the only team making calls to Cincinnati to just sort of feel out if they'd be willing to give him up. They're taking a look. They're one of those teams figuring out what they are. Right. So teams are interested. Cincinnati trying to figure out what they want to do next. Breeze hall is a name I've heard teams have poked around on. I'm not certain what jets are willing to do in terms of moving him. I. I've heard the asking price has been pretty steep. We'll see if that changes as it comes to, you know, as we get closer to the trade deadline. But. But pass rusher Philadelphia as well.
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Chase Daniel
Right.
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Diana Rossini
Zadarius Smith retired recently. So you, you talk about splashy names, Chase. Like we had Devonte Adams last year. That was awesome. Right? I was like, oh my gosh, that was like the biggest name in the trade we've seen in a while. I don't really predict anything that, that fun, but. But you never know.
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James Palmer
Never know. It would be out of character for the. Is that, is that a hotel phone, Chase? Is that what I hear? Is that your land? Is that the hotel room phone? Is this your hamburger?
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Chase Daniel
I just muted it.
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James Palmer
I don't know.
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Chase Daniel
They're trying to kick me out of this room. Keep going.
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Diana Rossini
I kind of wish you answered.
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James Palmer
Lock the door.
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Chase Daniel
You got.
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James Palmer
Flip the. Flip the thing. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm following Trey Hendrickson as well. Diana. Obviously a team like the 49ers is looking for edge help. Eagles are looking for edge help. And it of character for the Bengals to trade within the season. Doesn't happen a lot. But hell, they went and got Joe Flacco and so that's out of character for them as well. So we'll see what ends up happening. Speaking of Flacco, speaking of quarterbacks, let's cut to the chase here. Let's get to it. Chase is excited to talk about Caleb Williams. If you've seen anything on his social media, by the way, give him a follow on pretty much everything he is. Are you on MySpace still, Chase? I'm not sure if you're still putting up info and game breakdowns on MySpace, but Caleb Williams. Are we going to, are we going to have a 4,000 yard passer for the Chicago Bears? Chase, he is on pace to do that and we know, we know that's been very elusive there.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, it's a great call. I think that we will see a 4,000 yard passer. I think that Caleb Williams, just watching him on film really the last three weeks, it's, it's, it's been really cool to see maybe the growth from last year as it is to this year. And a lot of that has to do with like Ben Johnson and a lot of that has to do with, hey, they're surrounding him. The offensive line has played really well. My biggest takeaway from Caleb Williams really washing watching him against the, the commanders is just how well he played in terms of like, he wasn't erratic, he wasn't, he was really calm, I guess was the word. And it was really cool to see like no matter the situation, no matter that it was raining, no matter anything, he really just played about as calm a game as I've seen him play. Sure, it wasn't perfect. The weather was. It was, it was wet, it was rainy, it was cold, it was windy, but he still threw the ball really well. The biggest takeaway, though, doesn't even have to do with Caleb Williams. Although it is a situation where you're going to have a Caleb Williams led Bears team that is rushing and running the football better than I've ever seen them do that before. And I think that's the biggest thing is the balance. The balance from Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. They ran the football 27 times, they threw the football 29 times. That balance really helped out on Caleb Williams and everything that he's been able to do. So that's probably my biggest takeaway from that.
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Diana Rossini
Chase, I want to ask you a question that we asked before the season started that I'm curious if you have an opinion. Now, remember we were worried that Ben Johnson may just be a good coordinator, that he just may be a dork sitting in his room on his computer drawing up plays. And now he's the head coach. Are you bought in on him? Do you think that now he's proved to you that he can do this job?
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Chase Daniel
Look, it's three games that I felt like they've really started to find their identity offensively. And when you look at those three games as a play caller, I think it's been excellent. I really do. Specifically this last game and I put it out on social and I want to hit it here again, is like I felt like this version of the Chicago Bears style of offense, whether it's like they have inside zone, they have outside zone, they have power run game, they're handing it to receivers, they're doing it like Caleb Williams carrying the football for a touchdown. It's about as close to the Detroit Lions game plan that I saw from the last few years. And, and when I say game plan, I mean just how it looks offensively. Like you can tell the concepts that they're bringing over from Detroit that they're now bringing to Chicago. It's just, it's, it's cool to see for Chicago's Bear fans because this is really the best game I' I've seen them run the football just overall since I've been covering this game and it's been a short time. But it's good because that's what you need as a quarterback. You need the run game.
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James Palmer
I think, Dinah, what you said and what Chase added to it is exactly, I think answers the Question you're asking, right? Because that was the biggest thing over the last couple of weeks to my understanding. Ben Johnson has driven in practice and in meetings. It's, we need to run the football better. He's a maniac about it during the bye week and when a coach is able to drive something home like that that you've been struggling with and then you go and you succeed and you have Chase. You saw receivers buying in, getting physical in the run game. You saw the offensive line the way they were doing it, all of that coming together. It's like, well, your head coach really wanted something to happen. He told all of you to buy in and you got results for it. I think that's one of the things you can sell early on as, as a head coach. Chase, I want to look at a little film here with, with, with Caleb and I. The question I had with it here was how do you see the ball coming out? Is he, is he playing on time? I know that's our big question. Is he holding onto it a little longer than you'd like? Just all of that. If you can answer that within this film breakdown you have.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, I mean, I do think that Caleb is doing a really good job of one not forcing the ball when stuff's open. And we're going to see this, this film break. This was one of my favorite plays of the game of Caleb. Not just because he's throwing a slant route and it's 11 yard gain, but if you really watch and really understand how he's getting the ball to Roma Dunes A1. It's, it's quick game and you're going to see number four, the linebacker right there, right in the middle reads Caleb's eyes. And then Caleb is somehow able to, to see out of the corner of his eye this flash of red and black just, just running by him. And it's just really a microcosm of growth I think, for, for Caleb Williams because look, it's not a crazy concept and, and, but he's being really efficient. Like you're going to see the halfback and he's going out to the left and right now he's like, all right, I have Manto man coverage. I know it's man, there's a stack receiver formation down here at the bottom. I have one on one up top with both my tight end and Roma dun, but I have a middle guy and that's number four. And that linebacker, you, you're, you're taught to, to let the slant go right at the numbers, but somehow he's able to pull it back. And when you're able to pull it back and you're able to not throw, I mean this could have been a pick six. Guys like. And it just shows the growth. Like he's trying to hold them in the middle of the field but when he, when he doesn't in the, in the. And the linebacker goes right. They're paid a lot of money. He's able to just pull it back and, and he's able to without much space. Like he's. That's a pick six. Like that is an interception. But he's able to still get enough juice on it for an 11 yard game. It's just going to look like an 11 yard game in the stat sheet. But here's. I just. There's nothing crazy about this play but you have everyone inside and you have everyone thinking DeAndre Swift is going to get the football. But you're able to use and get creative. And that's the Ben Johnson that we. So that we know and love. And there's a lot of defenders but they motion over like the receiver. I think that's Roma Dunes A on the corner. He's going to come down and block 25. His man follows him. And then you just have DeAndre Swift leading one on one with Caleb Williams. Like it's, it's just, it's a really good play to find ways like good successful teams in the red zone. They run the football and if you can run the football and I'm not saying he needs to carry the ball, you know, five times a game, but if he has enough juice in his legs and everything to be able to.
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James Palmer
Get that like that.
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Chase Daniel
That's just to me like a really good play down here in the red zone. And it really showed up.
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James Palmer
I like it. I like what we're seeing. I like what we're seeing from Caleb Williams who. I love it. Let's move on to Drake May who is playing like, I don't know, Chase, one of the best quarterbacks in all of football. I just was just thinking about this guys the other day going, remember when everybody was trying to move up to three? Diana, remember when you were getting like you were gathering information about people trying to get to three and they didn't move, they stuck. They took Drake, Maine. I think they're pretty damn happy about it right now. Chase, what are you seeing right now that he's doing offensively with this group that can't run the ball? Like they just don't have a run game. It Seems like. And, and he's able to move the football the way he's moving it.
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Chase Daniel
Well, that's one thing that I, that I wrote down some notes when I was watching something. They have to find a run game like they really do. It's gonna make them.
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Diana Rossini
I don't believe that they're gonna be looking for one by the trade deadline either, though. This is an organization trying to collect picks, you know, like, it wouldn't make sense.
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Chase Daniel
I know. You know, and I think it doesn't make sense. But like if you're, if you're Mike Brable and you're Josh McDaniels and you have seen the growth that really Drake May has provided not only this year, but last year as well. Right. We were on it like, hey, we, we felt like Drake May needed to play right away. They played Jacoby, Brissette, all this stuff. I, I get that. But once he started playing, like, I don't know. And this is. There's a lot of really good second year quarterbacks. I don't know if there's. In fact there hasn't been a, a guy that's been a second year quarterback that has grown more through playing. And that's just Drake May, like the comfort level he has in the pocket. Like, you see him doing these things that, you know, maybe you didn't see at unc, but he's using his legs to buy some time. And you saw this like little flip to the right. You saw like these throws down the field. It's not like they're just dinking and dunking. And you got to give credit to Josh Daniels because the, the scheme that has really fit Drake May, they're doing some stuff he did at UNC that he felt really comfortable with. But really it's, it's the Josh McDaniel scheme where I, like, I've never understood the Patriots way. Like I'm watching these, these route contests. I'm like, how are you, how are you supposed to read these? But it's like the Tom Brady type thing where it's just like, man, it just makes sense. Like they got crossing routes and then like it's, it's a really unique way to run an offense. But Drake's just really, I think the biggest thing is the comfortability within the scheme that is making him and letting him play fast.
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Diana Rossini
But think about the fact that he's been able to do this in just six weeks. You know, going back to saying it's only the first 50 days of the season and the fact that him and Josh McDaniel have been able to find this groove and relationship that, that works. I've been around them, covering them a few times, and I can tell you that there's. They have just a connection already, which I think just is really impressive that they've been able to give him this much and believe that Drake may has done things naturally that have impressed the coaching staff as well. Not saying that they ever underestimated him, but I think he's doing things in these games that make them go, oh, I mean, even just watching some of this, given that throw to Stefan Diggs, I know they got the penalty on it. Like, I'm, like, I didn't know he had it in him. Right? Even just some of the athleticism, the toughness, these are things that are part of his game now that they're just going to keep building off. And just the fact that they've got the guy, they know he's the guy. I know we still have question marks about other quarterbacks, but they're one I can check off the list and say, well, they got him.
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Chase Daniel
Oh, there's no doubt. And I think just, I mean, that's such a good observation from you. Just the physical tools and talent. Right. When I was breaking him down last year during the draft or two years ago during the draft, a lot of coaches, and we said this on this, on this before, a lot of coaches felt like he had an arm strength and build to like Philip Richards Rivers. Like, he's a big son of a gun and he's country and he has the arm strength and he has everything about like what made Philip Rivers great. He's way more athletic than Philip. So you put that athletic ability plus the arm strength, plus just like a big core and just it's, it's a, it's got to be a good feeling after a few years after Tom Brady left to know you have the guy of the next, you know, 15 years.
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James Palmer
You know, the biggest thing that Philip Rivers was able to do, Chase stay on the field, children all the time. Well, he's tremendous at having to go.
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Chase Daniel
Diana, but that's awful.
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James Palmer
He was. He was always available. If you ask people in New England, that's something that, that Drake has figured out very quickly of. I know how big and fast these defensive guys are. I can make plays. I'm, I'm six four. I can go outside the pocket. I can make some plays, but I do know how to stay. They feel like he has an understanding of how to stay on the field. Like, like not unnecessary risks, things like that. I think that's a big sign of the growth early on and then the ability to just. Third and fourth down. He's been incredible, like, gotta have it moments. He's been incredible. The composure, it's unbelievable. Their first place of the division. He's pressured. He's got a 72% completion percentage against the blitz, six touchdowns, no picks. It's in the big moments when you should panic. He seems to be really calming down. And I think obviously there's two guys that he deserves credit. There's two guys that also deserve credit too, and vrabel and Josh McDaniels where we talked about both of them. Big game going back to Nashville for Braves Diana as they head to Tennessee. He won't talk about it, I guarantee it. But he will behind closed doors. Let's get to the Bills here and what's happening with the, with the Buffalo Bills? Are we panicking Diana, at all about what's happening with a true super bowl contender and the reigning MVP as they head into this Bible week?
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Diana Rossini
Let me just start with a conversation I had with someone there this morning. I not, I'm not sensing panic from them as an organization, but they are not happy with where they're at and obviously coming off two straight losses, who would be. But they realize that they've got to fix some of these issues and those problems are on defense. Okay. So, yes. And Chase, we're going to get into some of the stuff on offense that you saw that I know that they want to work on. But in terms of, you know, you talk about the focus that Ben Johnson had about running the ball, I think there's going to be a similar type of we need to fix these problems on defense mentality, head into practice this week for this Bills team knowing that if that's going to be the weak area of this team and they get exposed that way and they don't make any big moves by this trade deadline, this could be a problem for this Buffalo Bill scene.
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James Palmer
Chase, are you.
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Chase Daniel
I mean, I can't. Yeah, I can't. I can't agree more. I think the, the discourse but put around Josh Allen is so overblown, you know, for the Bills in general. Right. I do think I'm with you, Diana. The defense, that's sort of been the struggle and it's a little bit on what's led to the struggle offensively because it's felt like, at least in the games, last two games, the losses that Josh Allen has had to keep up and he's had to maybe press a little bit more than what he's used to. And look, I just think that when you watch him play and you understand like how this team wins games, right? There's only been in six games, he's only thrown the ball 31 times or more in one game. So they're not asking him to do a lot. And you see some shades the last three games there's been four interceptions of maybe forcing some footballs that he hasn't in the past. And he feels like he has to be that Josh Allen superman. But like at the end of the day, like, I don't know, I just can't in, in this wide open afc, I can't imagine guys that there's not a world where deep in January, they're still playing and they're one of the best teams in the AFC. They're still 4 and 2. They're half game out of first place in the AFC or the AFC East. And I just, I don't get the, like, oh, Josh Allen is doing this and that. I know their team has issues, but let's just, just, let's just take a deep breath. Let's go on bye week. Let's just relax. And you know, at the end of the year they're going to be a 10, 11 win team and people are going to be like, oh, why don't we talk about them for this and that. That's just what I believe.
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James Palmer
You know what type of fan base this is? Chase, we know this is Bill's mafia. Like, I don't think they want to take a breath right now with what they have going on. I'll ask you a very blunt question on behalf of Bill for mafia. Can Keon Coleman play football?
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Chase Daniel
Yeah. Yeah, you can play football. I, I just, I do think that's really, what, how do I put this nicely? That's what really stands out on film. Not just Keon Coleman, the, the outside numbers now, I think Josh, Josh Palmer. Yeah, the lack of playmaking skills outside the numbers, that, that's what gives me a little bit of pause. James Cook is not having as much success, you know, running the football. He's a very effective, efficient runner who puts up, you know, put a ton of touchdowns on the board last year. They're just not really doing it because, because like there was a strategic and direct move from when Ken Dorsey was the OC to then that really the next game after he got fired and Joe Brady became OC and it's been this way. They're a running team first, like, they want to run the football, they want to control the clock. They have a defensive head coach. Like that is like the background and special teams, all that stuff. So they want to run the football. And when running the football is not working, I mean, it's. What do you got to do? You got to throw the football. And if you don't have guys that separate. We did this whole thing last year. I mean, it's literally a repeat of last year. Like, that's why, remember the Ravens game last year? Like, everyone was like, oh my gosh, they can't separate. They can't do this, they can't do that. And then what did Josh Allen, he wanted to go in mvp. They just have to figure out what they do well offensively. But if I was a defense and I'm playing Josh Allen, I'm playing press man to man. I'm putting seven man guys in the box and saying beat me outside. And that's exactly what sort of the Falcons did. Now they got.
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Diana Rossini
Football like the Falcons sign it out.
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Chase Daniel
Now I would just play man to man.
- [27:51]
James Palmer
And let me ask you about Dinah that. I have to ask you this because. Because of what Chase is saying. They went out and made a move last year. They went out and got Amari Cooper for the exact same problem. And now it's the same problem in year two again. Will they. How do they. Do they have a plan to fix it? And do you think they make any sort of transaction?
- [28:11]
Diana Rossini
I don't get the sense that they're going to make a move here on offense. For right now, that could change, of course. I mean, I know Chris Alave is the name that everybody's been buzzing about as he'd be the perfect answer for a Bill's offense that could certainly use, as Chase said, some a player to be dynamic. Really, they don't have anyone. A.J. brown's a name that I'm sure Bill's fans would love. Don't see Philadelphia moving him. So, yeah, we'll see if it changes as we get closer. But I don't get the sense that they're. They're aggressively calling around to find a Pastor pass catcher. My point I was gonna make real quick before we move on was just about Josh Allen's play. Talking to some people a few weeks ago. One of the compliments that he was getting was that he was doing such a good job of actually not running as much. Right. Like being a little bit more particular about when he was going to unleash and what do you always see Josh do when the offense starts losing that almost that orchestration, that collection, he starts trying to make things happen with his legs and sometimes. But it doesn't always work. Right. Like, we talk about Mahomes doing it all the time, but when Josh does it and he's moving too quickly, Chase and then please coach me up if I'm wrong. From the way it was explained to me was like, soon as he starts speeding up that way. That is not the Josh Allen. You want the slow down version.
- [29:31]
Chase Daniel
Exactly right. The slowed down version. Meaning like the. He lets the game come to him and then he's just an absolute assassin when it is. And there's these go balls and he just, he makes them miss. When, when, when Josh gets a little bit out of whack, like, I still think he's one of the best quarterbacks in football, just in general. When he gets a little bit out of whack, his mind speeds up and he's trying to do too much. And that's really been the case of when we see bad Josh Allen.
- [29:58]
James Palmer
That's the case.
- [29:58]
Chase Daniel
Sometimes a throwaway is better on third down than an interception down the. Like just. And he knows that, right? Like, that's nothing new. Just in general. Next goes back to when he even started playing pro football, like his first rookie year. Like, that's sort of been the case with Josh Allen.
- [30:15]
James Palmer
Yeah, that's. That's true. But, oh, you know what? I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna give the Atlanta Falcons a little bit of love. That is the number one in football right now. They are balling, talking to people in Atlanta. Yesterday morning it was. We are not used to this. Like, we have not seen. They have a pass rush, we have a pass rush. We have a party in the backfield. I mean, the mantra up front, no more than four plays in a row. And we're rotating. They're fresh, they're coming after the quarterback. They've been, they've been impressive with. With Atlanta coming up, we are going to talk about Cam Ward in his future, who will be directing that future, who will be coaching him in that future. And what's next for the Tennessee Titans? That's coming up next on Scoop City. Have you heard of Gold's Belly? It's this amazing site that I order from all the time where you can get the most iconic famous foods from restaurants all across the US and they will ship it anywhere across the country. See, covering the NFL for years and years and years, I go to all these different cities When I'm covering the super bowl in Miami, I go to Joe's. When I'm at a pro day in Austin, Texas, I get Franklin's Barbecue because these places are so iconic. But the problem when I go back home to Denver, I am now miles and miles away from all of my favorite restaurants. Well, with Gold Belly I have the opportunity to then get them shipped to my house. This has happened multiple times and it's outstanding. The biggest part of this for me is I grew up in Philadelphia. It is home for me. And if you want a taste of home, I have an opportunity to get a Pat's Cheese stick straight from South Philly right there. Whiz wit. Get it sent to my house house and I get it exactly as it was when I was growing up. It brings back memories. It makes me feel closer to my family. It makes me feel closer to home. So if you're looking for the perfect gift or want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal the next time you host, go to goldbelly.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code SCOOP. That's goldbelly.com code SCOOP for 20% off your first order order.
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James Palmer
Welcome back to Scoop City on a Wednesday. James Palmer, Diane Rossini Chase Daniel in a mustard hotel room getting ready to call a football game. But he's spending some time with us as we break down some quarterbacks here on Scoop City. There's a quarterback that's going to be searching like multiple quarterbacks that have been the number one overall pick before him. A new head coach in year two Cam Ward is now going to have a new head coach with the Tennessee Titans in his sophomore season as the Titans have parted ways with Brian callahan after going 4 and 19. So now it was Trevor Lawrence and then he had a new head coach, and then it was Bryce Young and he had a new head coach and Caleb Williams and he had a new head coach. And now it's crazy.
- [34:07]
Diana Rossini
I've seen that stat everywhere since Brian Callahan was fired on Monday afternoon, which I have to tell you, it was a surprise that he was fired right now. It was not a surprise that he was fired. I think most people around the league assumed this would be it unless they had some wild miracle turnaround. But the fact that I think most people in that building were just going to ride this thing out here to protect Camp Ward, to not go through another change and perhaps some dysfunction. But after the way they lost in Las Vegas, ownership made the call and said, okay, like we need to change now. And obviously this isn't the first time we've seen any Amy Adams trunk make a pretty. I call it impulsive decision. James, look, we all know she was probably going to fire him. But the way the team has performed and I think there's levels of embarrassment there when you're seeing that. And it's not getting any better. And they have fired many people, obviously. We know they started 2025 firing ran car before that they fired Mike Rabel. Right before that they fired John Robinson. Right before that they fired Mike Malarkey after he won a playoff game. Right. Like they have gone through a lot of change. And the biggest question I have for the Tennessee Titans right now is what are they. And you know, before the Brian Callahan error, I, I think most people in football knew what they were. Was it perfect? No. But when John Robinson was there, when Mike Grable was there, it was. It was an identity is identity. Right. And so now they're gonna play with an interim head coach with in Mike McCoy leading this way against Mike Frable's Patriots. And my thought is like this was never Brian Callahan versus Mike Vaughel anyway. Right. I think we can all agree they were very two separate coaches at different levels. This to me, this game is even the Tennessee Titans versus Mike Raybould. This is the Tennessee Titans versus themselves. Themselves. This is them looking across actually at this Patriot sideline and not even making about variable but going, wait, this was an organization that was really bad the last few years, but they got the quarterback and they figured out who the leader was. And it just happens to be Their former right. That maybe that can give them some hope. That if they can find the right guy, they too can be on this, on this upswing that we're seeing New England. Look how fast they've turned it around. So that's kind of how I want to see this organization look at themselves in the mirror really this Sunday versus making this personal against my variable and just all the stuff that comes with it. That is. Was really actually pretty immature, I feel like.
- [36:49]
Chase Daniel
Because that was an extreme.
- [36:52]
James Palmer
No, I liked it.
- [36:53]
Chase Daniel
Great take. You blacked out a little bit. You gave a really good answer. And, and to me it's like you put it nicely. The Titans are a disaster. Like, it's just, it's hard to be like, I don't even know the words. Like the firing and hiring and firing and hiring. Like at some point the ownership has to stand up and be like, this is our guy. We're going to stand by them, make sure they hire staff around them. You have, you have the quarterback of the future. Now you need a leader because they don't play in a very difficult division. Right. The AFC south isn't known for. Now I know the Colts and Jags are, they're better. But there's no reason that the Tennessee Titans should be, I'm not going to say laughing stock, but like everyone I talk to within the game, that is former players or coaches or former, they're like, what are these doing?
- [37:53]
Diana Rossini
Like, what are the Tennessee Titans? And guess what people would say irrelevant. And that is the worst thing you want to be in the NFL.
- [38:02]
James Palmer
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be that in a city that has so many other options like Nashville. Man, there's a lot to do. You're opening a billion dollar stadium and you got to get that fan base energized for this.
- [38:14]
Chase Daniel
It has to be an offensive head coach. It has to.
- [38:17]
James Palmer
Okay, let's get to that.
- [38:18]
Diana Rossini
Chase, I'm curious. What Chase? Okay, okay.
- [38:21]
James Palmer
I'm excited because I, I, I kind of want to set it up this way. You are excited, Dan? I kind of want to set it up in. This is oftentimes we see in the NFL and you both know this, the pendulum swings back the opposite direction of whatever way you most recently failed. Well, it was a first time offensive minded head coach in Brian Callahan and there is a thought right now in the league to my understanding that it would swing back towards the importance of leadership and understanding how this entire thing operates. But at the same time, there's this giant elephant in the room that is named Cam Ward going, this is the future of your organization. So I think they're almost. Diana, what in the process right now, do you think it's. And it's early and it's going to be in depth. They gave themselves all the time in the world to look at a thousand candidates, but do you think that's a 1, A, 1B? Do you see it in the order I gave it that leadership is ahead of. Ahead of an offensive mind? How do you see it right now in this opening stage of the search?
- [39:19]
Diana Rossini
I think they're looking for leadership. I also think they're looking for some familiarity with general manager Mike Briganzi. Right. Which leads you to the name of Matt Nagy, who we've seen have an opportunity with the Chicago Bears. And he would be the first to tell you there's so much he would have done differently there. And anytime you've been around Matt and James, I know you have spent tons of time around him. He. He's such a different person since Chicago and, and so reflective of the mistakes he's made and the things he wants to do better. He met with the New York jets during their coaching search. I think Luana Rumo is a name that we're going to hear again, come back up. So you talk about leadership, right? And, and look, we, we mentioned, or at least I mentioned a little bit about, you know, how New England did it with, hey, you get the leader, you get the right guy who can rally the troops and call all the shots. But if you can come with an offensive coordinator that's a baller like you see in Josh McDaniels, if they could find maybe a combo like that where you get the leader of the men, but you get an offensive coordinator that can lock in with Cam Warden and hopefully iron out some of the trouble that he's had to start this. So you've got those guys and then you've got names like Anthony Weaver, who was a big name in the last cycle. So that to me says leader of men in terms of names that. That would be on their list. And look, it's gonna, it's gonna grow as the season goes, and more coordinators, you know, impress. So, look, I, I think this is what makes it hard. I spoke to an executive last year during the hiring process, and, and I guess I never really thought about it until he said it. He's like, I don't think you get. Or people understand how hard it is to make the right hire. Everyone gives their. And I guess it's like any job Right. Like everyone's presenting, everyone says they're going to do this, everyone claims they've done this, that blah, blah, blah, you know, but. But when it comes down to, to standing in front of these men, right, Chase, like to be able to stand up there and lead and get these guys to buy in. Like we're seeing Ben Johnson do. Like we've seen like even Brian Dable lately. Right. Like you're seeing these guys have the, that quality. I think it's hard to gauge and you don't know until you do, until you see it rolled out. And I think we can all see around the league and even the Tennessee Titans can probably say about their last hire, sometimes you're just better at being a coordinator than you are a head coach.
- [41:40]
Chase Daniel
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm. Go ahead, James.
- [41:45]
James Palmer
No, I was going to say it would be interesting if Brian Callahan's completely out of a job. It's like Cincinnati's like, you know, you're pretty great here.
- [41:55]
Diana Rossini
Yeah, come back here.
- [41:56]
James Palmer
You want to come back in some sort of role. That kind of helped him get that. What Diana's saying is right though. But like that's kind of what helped him get the job is work with Joe Burrow. He had worked with Peyton Manning. Like you look in the room going, these are checking boxes we're looking for.
- [42:10]
Diana Rossini
Look at their front office. They're all hanging their hats on what they've done and the teams they've been apart. Whether that Chad Brinker with the packers, whether it's Mike Briganzi with the Chiefs. They said that in their press conference the other day. Among, you know, their front office in Tennessee's got nine Super Bowls combined. I mean, kind of an obnoxious thing to say in a press conference, but they were just trying to lay out their accolades of like, hey, you, you may not believe we know what we're doing, but we.
- [42:34]
Chase Daniel
Yeah.
- [42:34]
Diana Rossini
And obviously that when you got an.
- [42:36]
James Palmer
Owner with a trick, well, trigger figure.
- [42:38]
Diana Rossini
It is so obvious in this last hire, Brian Callahan, that they went the opposite in terms of just even personality. Right. Like you've been around Brian Leonard, good dude.
- [42:49]
Chase Daniel
I mean look, I'm, I'm bullish on, on an offensive head coach for a couple of reasons. One, just look at the, look at the teams the last four quarter. I've taken them overall, I've seen their head coach fired Trevor Lawrence, who they replace Urban Meyer with back to back offensive head coaches Bryce Young, Frank Crack fired, who they replace them with offensive head coach Caleb Williams, Matty Fire, who Do they replace them with Now I went. And it did go, you know, defense, offense. But offensive head coach, I just can't see any world. And I do like the leader of men style because we've, we've talked about it a lot. You have to go offense here. Like you.
- [43:26]
Diana Rossini
Okay.
- [43:27]
Chase Daniel
The other two, you have to go offense with maybe somebody. Yeah. I mean he could do it the.
- [43:32]
Diana Rossini
Way he lives in Nashville or Memphis. Right. Like his family's from there. He's been there.
- [43:36]
Chase Daniel
What I'm bullish on is the one I'm bullish is Matt Nagy. And, and because of what you said for Burgos, like they've been together. He, I've talked, I'm like, Matt Nagy is a friend. Like he coached me. He was my quarterback coach. He is a confidant. He's the one that I talk to a lot. And even like today we were texting and it's just, he was saying nothing about the tit. He's been really helping me as I'm announcing, like really on game management. Like I've been really wanting to dial in on game management. And he sent me a three page text. I was asked, hey, what do you. What makes a really good third down team successful? Like what are the areas like, I know but like how am I able to portray it to a doc? He sent me a three page text with so many different bullet points and it is.
- [44:30]
James Palmer
You think he used his thumbs or was that on a desk or, or, or a computer?
- [44:34]
Chase Daniel
He probably did the swipe to text. But I, but I say that like, and I know this for a fact, he has gone through and did some soul searching on what went wrong in, in, in Chicago, how he can get better. He's older, he's more mature, he's more of a leader of men. I just think that like that makes a lot of sense. The name that, that really sticks out though, like, is Joe Brady. Like I think Joe Brady and Cam Ward and I said this, I think Joe Brady would be like a perfect guy for the job because I've been with Joe Brady too. He is a leader of men, but he's a good offensive mind too. And they're not just going to throw the football around the yard. You can just see what he's doing with, with Josh Allen. I just, I, I get what y' all are saying. I know nothing, but I would be really shocked if they didn't go offensive minded. Head coach Chase.
- [45:21]
Diana Rossini
I was, I think. No, no. Oh, I was just gonna tell a quick nagging story. I was at the combine and I hadn't seen Matt in a while, and, and we weren't exactly friends when he was in Chicago because I was pretty tough on him. And so when you're at the combine, you've tons of meetings and coffees and drinks and dinners set up with people. And I had a bunch of stuff coming up and I went and grabbed a quick coffee and I see Matt and I'm like, oh, I don't want to see him. I kind of want to avoid him. But then I was like, all right, I'm just going to go up and talk to him. So we talked two hours. We talked standing at that Starbucks. And it was just about reflection.
- [46:03]
Chase Daniel
He.
- [46:03]
Diana Rossini
And he's awesome. And, and we, you know, we're obviously cool now, but it was like, here's what I didn't get. Here's. And this is the stuff that so many first time head coaches will tell you. I saw Adam Gase last off season. He'll. He'll write a book about it if you want. Like, I think they just need some time to reflect it. I bet you Brian. Brian Callahan was reflective about his first year in the off season. When I asked him at the Senior bowl, and he's like, I messed up so much. I didn't know. You don't know. It is so hard. And I just think it's so easy to be like, well, look, Sean McVeigh stepped in and he's a star. You know, Kyle Shanahan is a stunt, you know, and it's, it's, there's just, there's a few that are just.
- [46:42]
Chase Daniel
Yeah, yeah.
- [46:43]
James Palmer
There's, there's two things that I think about when you say that, Diana. I, I, these guys are all teachers, so when they see mistakes, they're very good at fixing them. So even in their own experience, that's why they have so much energy when you talk to them. And I've had the same conversations with naggy others where they're almost like energized by what went wrong or they know how to fix it this time around if they get another shot. And oftentimes it's about the staff that you hired, the roles you put certain people in. Oftentimes in your first year, you're scrambling for a staff and you don't know exactly what you're looking for. In your second time around, you have a very good understanding of what you're looking for in certain position coaches, certain roles. And then the other portion of this I want everybody to remember is Mike Borgonzi running the show there, there and the number of years he has been a potential general manager candidates and what happens in each one of these cycles. Diana, if you're a potential GM candidate you are talking to other potential head coaching candidates. Can the two of us go here? Because oftentimes these jobs open up together. Hey, if you're talking to them as a head coaching candidate, think about me as a gm. You as a gm think about me as a head coach. There's a lot of philosophical trading of thought thoughts that go on in that process that Mike has had with a number of people that could have potentially paired with him in previous places that he interviewed for. So he has a pretty good because of his experience in searching for a GM job Rolodex of way a lot of these guys would approach the interview and a way a lot of these guys would approach their head coaching spot. So I think that past of him having to wait might actually play in the Titans favor a little bit in this search process.
- [48:20]
Diana Rossini
I think it's a great point that I didn't think about. I looked at it as I thought you're going the direction of he's met with other owners to see how other franchises were trying to do things and was going to take that. But that's a great point to help figure out who's out there and having to meet these guys. And I can tell you ownership has a lot of trust in what Mike Bornzi is going to do just based on what they've seen already.
- [48:42]
James Palmer
All right, before we press on to our final block, we do have to follow the Cam Ward aspect of this chase. What is happening this year? We are six weeks into the season. He is now has Mike McCoy as his who knows quarterbacks and has been around a lot of different quarterbacks in his career. But he is now his, his head coach, his interim head coach. How do you prevent Cam Ward from thinking this is just a lost season? How do you find a way for him to continue to grow within this building?
- [49:11]
Chase Daniel
Yeah, that's a good, it's a good point because it is a lost season. But for him personally I think it just starts with hey, going back to work work and understanding hey, these first six, five games didn't go as well as we wanted to. What have I done well? What have I not done well? And really just schematically like hey, we probably need to run the football more. We probably need to incorporate some type of under center play action stuff with Cam Ward, not just this RPO stuff. And we also need to incorporate some of what he did really well at the University of Miami, which is just like run around around and make cool stuff happen. And I think the offensive line has it really well. Yeah, I mean, because. Because there is that, like, you don't ever want to take the stinger away. Right. And I do think this is a. Going to be a huge year for Cam Ward, really, in his growth in like, hey, not physically, because physically, like, I've seen enough on film, like, he's. He's their guy, but like, mentally, emotionally, psychologically, like, don't this. This year, like, you want to. You want to win some games, you want to stack some games, but don't try to press. Like, first of all, I just don't think people understand just how difficult it is to play the position of quarterback in the NFL. And then you're a rookie doing it with a team that's not so great in a fired head coach, like, it's a lot, and it can be a lot mentally. It can be a lot psychologically for these young guys. The young guys, though, that I've seen really press on is like, the guys that are confident in their ability because, you know, you can only control what you can control.
- [50:41]
James Palmer
You.
- [50:41]
Chase Daniel
You can't control the hiring process, you can't control the firing process, you can't control what we're going to do. But I'm sure he'd love to have a little bit more say in the offense. Hey, I want to do this, I want to do that. I think he knows what he.
- [50:51]
James Palmer
He does well.
- [50:52]
Chase Daniel
And I think that's really important for not only this year, because this year, like, it's. It's a lost year, but for years to come, how can we build on something? How can we show coaches and potential? You know, coaches, this is where I'm at and I feel like I can be one of the better quarterbacks the league.
- [51:09]
James Palmer
All right, we'll see what he can do. I. I just remember, by the way, Trevor Lawrence after that first loss season, I was told he was just like waiting for Doug Peterson to arrive, like, outside of his office for his first day. Just forever, just hoping like, hey, I lost this season. Let can we get working on year two, like, immediately as quickly as possible and get started? Okay. Chris Branch is going to be asking us a question and we're going to answer that next on on Scoop City.
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James Palmer
All right, welcome back to Scoop City on a Wednesday. James Palmer, Diana Rossini, Chase, Daniel with you. We wrap things up with a question. Oftentimes on Wednesday, Chase gets to participate in this. I like it because Diana and I usually just answer a question and it's just the two of us. And now he's here. Chris Branch is going to be asking us a question from the Pulse. Chris, fire away. Mac, roll this. Hey Scoop City friends, Chris Branch of the Pulse back here. First off, I have to clear the air. My daughter's basketball goal is still here. It's not in this room. I heard concern last time and will be in future history. I have two which would you rather questions today. My first one has to deal with two teams that are intertwined, the Eagles and the Chiefs. Which one would you rather be right now? The Eagles. If you if you were looking at the standings, you would say the Eagles, right? They lead the NFC East. They're 4 and 2. They are defending super bowl champions with basically everyone back. And yet I think I would rather be the Three and three Chiefs that are just coming off a huge win over the the Lions. They get Richie Rice back next week and the Eagles look broken. But then again, I go back and think like the Eagles do this every year. We wanted to fire Nick Sirianni three weeks into last season and they won one of the most impressive super bowl performances that I've ever seen. So which would you rather listen. They wanted to fire Nick Sirianni when he was playing guys in Rock Paper Scissors when he was going through his first draft process in Philadelphia and they wanted him out. This guy, he's playing rock paper scissors. I'll start with you, Diana, shaking the head. Which one are you taking?
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Diana Rossini
I am 1000% taking the Kansas City Chiefs because sweep. They just have a more collective understanding of what they want to do. They figured out their identity last game. We had a little panic attack. I think about whether or not they could do this again and fix it because it just seems like the same script that they follow every year. It just seems a little muddy. But we know that Andy Reid never even looks at September as being like real because they, they don't play a lot of their guys during the preseason. So that all being said with, with Rashi Rice returning and just now being another addition to help elevate this team, I'd much rather, or at least I'd put my my money on, on the Kansas City Chiefs at the in the state that they're in compared to the Philadelphia Eagles who are are admittedly struggling to figure out what they want to do and who they want to be.
- [55:52]
Chase Daniel
The question's a tricky one. It's would you rather be at this point, yes. In the season, Chiefs or Eagles? It's thousand percent the Chiefs. Like it's not even close in my, in my opinion. I think there's a couple different mindsets to it. One, Patrick Mahomes is playing like Patrick Mahomes. We've seen like from a couple years ago. He's throwing the football down the field. He has I believe 10 touchdowns last three games or eight or in over a thousand total yards. And so the dude is, the dude is balling like he's playing MVP type level football. He's doing it without his number one receiver. Like they are so excited to get Rashid Rice back. It is unbelievable. It's going to open up the pass game. They're running the football better. They've averaged like 130 rushing yards over the last three games, which a lot of people don't know or talk about. And I know Patrick Mahomes is part of it, but they're getting that going. That's usually not an Andy Reid type thing this early in the season. So, like, I think the Eagles are still really good. I still think that, you know, they're probably the front runner or one of the front runners to make it a deep run into the playoffs. But the way the Chiefs are rolling right now, I just, I, and we said it, we said it. I said the Chiefs, everyone's going to freak out. Just get to three and three through six games. It's going to look like two years ago where they're just going to go on a run. And I think this is the case.
- [57:10]
James Palmer
Yeah, you got the best player on the planet. There's 13 teams in the NFL right now that have four or five wins. The Chiefs are not one of them. And I think the majority of people would say they have more confidence in the Chiefs than those 13 teams that sit there with more wins. I will say this though, as we keep saying it and I've said it as well and other things. I was just on the radio in Kansas City saying it. Wait till Rashi Rice comes back. He's been doing this without his number one. Oh, guys, their offense is disjointed. It's because they don't say they're worthy. Cut him a break. Baker Mayfield has been playing without his receivers nonstop and just balling. So I'm going to give Baker a little bit of love because it hasn't slowed his down.
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Chase Daniel
MVP him down at all.
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James Palmer
He is, he is. I just, I just kind of want to throw that out there. But I, I, I, I'll make it a clean sweep and say you'd probably rather be the Chiefs and where they're headed right now. And I'll bring up a different reason. Chase mentioned the, the run game and it's something that coincides with that is that this offensive line is coming together and it's allowed them to run the football. It's allowed them to run the football under center and Chase him having some more time. Patrick Mahomes for these shallow crosses that happen where she Rice and these, these plays that they run with him. It's. If the offensive line comes together together, it's, it's scary what they can do. But I would say Denver's playing well. Chargers in the division. It's a little different, you know, within the division than, than say the Eagles, but I still think I take the Chiefs. Anybody have a closing thought? Diana, you're. You got a scat.
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Chase Daniel
So Are you.
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James Palmer
Do you want to say anything or should we just close this out?
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Chase Daniel
My.
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Diana Rossini
I wanted to ask you, do you trust the Eagles? That. That was what I was saying while you're talking. Like, yeah, but James, you trust the Eagles? Like, I don't trust them right now on October 15, but I think that's going to change in December. I think I'm going to like them a lot better.
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James Palmer
I do think they operate within dysfunction better than 99% of the teams in the NFL. I think they can handle it better than other ones. It's just normal for them. It seems like honestly, like DJ Brown being upset is not a new thing. Like, it's something that they've had to deal with before in the past and had to do. They know the way their locker room has some issues. I do think they've lost some key leaders over the last two seasons that are not getting talked about enough that have held things together within that room. But they still are extremely talented. I do think in the last game we realized how good Quinion Mitchell and Jalen Carter are. When you have to play defense without those guys, it's pretty difficult, but it's pretty talented roster still. And I do think they have the ability to turn around. I just feel like Chase, I hate to just give him credit for this that he kept saying it feels like 20, 23. But I was going back in my head. I'm like, get an offensive coordinator that's called plays before from outside the building. Bring him in. Shane Steichen dominate. Get a head coaching job. Oh, let's keep continuity. Let's bring in a guy from within the building that's never called plays. Let's have Brian Johnson. Doesn't work. Let's get a coordinator from outside the building that's called plays. Bring in Kellen Moore.
- [59:47]
Chase Daniel
Oh, it works.
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James Palmer
He gets a head coaching job now. Let's promote within. And it's. It's like a rinse and repeat mistake they already made once before.
- [59:54]
Diana Rossini
What is it?
- [59:54]
James Palmer
About what?
- [59:55]
Diana Rossini
About what do you think it is? Sorry, now we gotta go. But like, what do you think it is about it being internal? Like, why is internal the problem? Why do you have to go?
- [60:03]
James Palmer
There's just a thought. I think there is a thought process of trying to keep some sort of continuity for a player that hasn't had the same play caller two years in a row since high school.
- [60:12]
Diana Rossini
No, I know why they do it. It's just why is the opposite working? Right.
- [60:18]
James Palmer
Yeah, I know. Right. Well, also, Chase could probably say there's not that many great play callers in in, in football. I mean it's hard to be a really good.
- [60:25]
Chase Daniel
Yeah. You know. Look, I back to Daniel's question before we go. I don't trust the Eagles offense. I trust the Eagles defense and I semi trust Sirianni. So that's my my answer.
- [60:36]
James Palmer
I think up until last week the defense has been playing well this season. So I'll say that.
- [60:39]
Chase Daniel
Me too. That's why I trust him. Yeah.
- [60:41]
James Palmer
Yeah. All right, Chase, get out of that room before they boot you out. Gather your belongings and have a great call. We'll see every See See everybody. See everybody. Next time on Scoop City.
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Diana Rossini
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