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James Palmer
I love Legos and if they weren't so expensive I'd buy more because they're therapeutic to me. They are like a wonderful calming sense for your mind. Oh my God, the prices are insane.
Jake Seeley
I know we have a store that popped up here and they have a thousand dollar set in there. I forget which one it was but I was like, that's big.
Nate Atkins
Honest.
Jake Seeley
And I the problem is like, I need that stuff, James. Like I was never good at like create your own thing. Like my nephew would be like, here, let's build something. I'm like, well, I guess I'm building another house that's this big because that's all I can do. 4 wall. I can't do anything else.
James Palmer
Yeah, dude, but like, a normal set now is like, easy. 100 to 200.
Jake Seeley
2, 300.
James Palmer
Yeah.
Jake Seeley
2, 300 bucks. Yeah.
James Palmer
And if like 300 bucks for like a one that's like a step up, like, it's. Do I want the home alone house?
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James Palmer
Oh, welcome into Scoop City on a Thursday. I'm James Palmer. The trade deadline behind us now, we're looking at games into week 10. Don't forget to like and subscribe, please. It's super easy. Just do it. Just click it. It's simple. We are going to talk all about the Week 10 games today. We're going to talk about that Bucks and Pat's matchup. We're also going to talk about Kyler Murray not starting. What does that mean for the Cardinals? Also the Seattle Seattle Seahawks with a massive trade. What could be different with this Clint Kubiak offense? It's already one of the best in football in Week 10. And moving forward, we're going to take our road trip across the NFL as we do every Thursday, stopping inside these facilities. So let's get moving. All right, Our first stop on this Thursday road trip, Chad Goff joins us. It is the Brady Bowl, I guess we can call it. It's the two teams that Tom Brady played with. No, let's not talk about that. Let's just talk about the Patriots and where stand after this deadline. Before we get into this matchup against Tampa Bay, I have to know, talking to people, maybe inside that building. Judd, how close did they come? Because, man, they're in a leading the division. They have a ton of cap space, more than anybody else in football. How close did they come to making a move?
Judd
Well, I don't know if you caught it. That was the first question for Mike Vrabel on Wednesday. And he went with kind of an unexpected analogy that I wasn't expecting, which was it's like pregnancy. You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant. So I don't know how close we were. He looks at it as a very binary. I don't think that's entirely the case because they were calling around and they were checking on players like Jalen Phillips, who is somebody that I would even keep an eye on for them in free agency next year. It was a little bit surprising to me that they didn't add Some depth. They just traded Keon White away. They just traded Kyle Dugger away. Granted those are a couple players who didn't really fit what they want to do right now, but still that effectively makes you look like sellers. Almost at the deadline. I was a little bit surprised that they didn't trade a 6th round pick for a depth edge rusher or a 7th round pick for a depth safety. But in the big picture, not surprised that they didn't go out and spend big on a rental or give up a second or even first for Trey Hendrickson. They're shocking in terms of how good they've been. There may be the surprise of the league along with the Colts and yet I think they're also realistic that it's been a super easy schedule and this is still just early in what they envisioned was going to be a, you know, a couple year rebuild.
James Palmer
Yeah. And you know what I'm excited for and you mentioned it there and now got my brain kind of going, which is a common thing. But it is happening right now, which is when you look at this offseason like they almost had to pay a suck tax last year. Like we got to convince people to come here. I'm curious what the perception is going to be and the advantage they have in free agency with the money and what they've done in year one with Mike Vrabel. You and the way Drake may has played. Far different perception when you're luring free agents in after the season than it was this past year. That could be really fascinating to watch. A big part of maybe why you don't overspend at the trade deadline knowing that you could have this advantage that was a disadvantage last offseason. Let's talk about this offense and you know I was talking to somebody there the other day who was just going like look at what you know, Keshan Buda and Drake may have done in the deep ball. It's just. It's just been something special. It's a lot of work they've put in. Now he has the hamstring. Kyle Williams apparently is going to get some more run. What have you seen from the rookie which there were some people that absolutely loved him in the draft. What have you seen from him? Maybe it's been a slow burn, I don't know. And maybe an increased role. What could we see on Sunday?
Judd
Well, this is a fascinating matchup because it's kind of strength on strength. Like the Bucks are so good at not letting you hit that deep ball. They ranked fifth in EPA the Pass ranked first or second, depending on whether you look at success rate or EPA in those deep balls. Like they have been so good, which is still jarring to think about. This was the least explosive offense, like year after year after year. Think back to like those Mac Jones teams where if you got one sack, it just felt like, all right, well we got a punt because we can't overcome second and 14. Exactly. So it's still jarring for me to think of them as an explosive offense. And yet that's what they are now. The Booty loss and I think he probably will be out. They haven't ruled him out yet, but I'm guessing he's not going to play with a hamstring injury. That's a big loss. Like the offense went into a funk against the Falcons last week after Booty came out because this offense is so good when you have a vertical extender. Now, Booty was never supposed to be that guy. They had him on the trading block this offseason. They did not think he was going to be as good as he is. They drafted Kyle Williams to be that guy, that vertical threat, and he was that in college. But I would say it was kind of a slow start. He would admit that. I think Mike V has admitted that. They're trying to get him to learn a bunch of different spots and not just be like the outside X guy, that they want him to do a lot of things. His route running is something that was very much complimented through the pre draft process and I think it's something the Patriots are hoping is going to show up. But first and foremost, he's got to be the deep threat guy. The numbers have not been there. He hasn't gotten a ton of playing time and frankly a wide receiver room that's not like so stacked that you say, oh well, that's why he's not playing. So you'd like to see more from him. Mike Vrabel does think that he's turned a corner now that he's nine weeks into his NFL season. So this is a big test for the third round pick.
James Palmer
Yeah, okay. Well, going deep, you got to be able to have some time to throw the football. We know the way Tampa blitzes. I mean, just at an insane raid. Essentially. I think 35% of the time they're blitzing. But also Drake made this season against the blitz has been outstanding. Do you think they do that against Drake with the way he's playing, because that is their strength? Or do they change their colors in a sense because they know the way Drake has burned teams against the blitz this year.
Judd
It'S a fascinating matchup to watch. And yeah, I think they probably still say, hey, this is our strength. Let's roll with it. Because while the Patriots offensive line has been like, shockingly, insanely good compared to what expectations are, and if you think back to last season, how tough that offensive line was to watch, by far the worst in the league, maybe the worst in like the last year.
Nate Atkins
So bad.
James Palmer
Yeah.
Judd
Sometimes, you know, looking away or grimacing as, as rookie Drake May was scrambling for, but I could see them saying, all right, well, you know, the offensive line has been good and better than they expected. Also, look at their scheduling. The Falcons did do a really nice job in the pass rush sack Drake made nine times, which, you know, again, is another area that's confusing to still think of the Falcons as like a good pass rush team. But I think that's a fascinating matchup to watch and I do think the Bucks will bring a lot of pressure and if last week was any indication, like, they could probably get home. Drake May this week said a number of the sacks have been on him. He's taken the responsibility and a lot of them have been as he's like starting to take off scrambling or climbing the pocket. So they've only been like 2 yard losses and not 7 yard losses. But still, that's fine. When you're playing the Titans and the Browns and the other teams that the Patriots have played this season, you don't want to live that way against Tampa.
James Palmer
Exactly. And a part of the way you can kind of help that is running the football more effectively. I know there's some people thinking this is turning a corner. Why is there some optimism when I talk to people possibly of this run game kind of turning a corner Here in New England.
Judd
Tepid optimism is slowly getting better. And yet they're probably going to be without Ramon Dre Stevenson again. Granted, he's had the fumbling issues and there's, you know, a certain subset of people that might be excited about that because it means more Trayvon Henderson. And he's been, he is the exciting back like you drafted him for. Explosiveness to come to an offense that has just lacked that in recent years. And yet he hasn't really gotten going quite the way that I thought he would. Had an awesome training camp, but made some mistakes in pass protection, which was frankly not his M.O. like I'm at Ohio State team last year, really good pass protector. He was taking on linebackers. So surprising there. I think he'll continue to get better as he gets more comfortable, but this is probably a big Trayvon Henderson game, and he's probably going to get 15 carries or something like that.
James Palmer
Oh, that'll be entertaining. I know I'll like that. As a former Buckeye listen, I remember having that conversation. You're spot on with Maurice Jones, Drew, who was like, you know, I'm talking to different people and I'm looking at my own eyes as a running back. Like, I haven't seen a guy come out this polished as a pass protector, like, at the running back position in recent memory. But then I have kind of heard, hey, we're asking him to do some things differently than he did in pass protection at Ohio State. Pass protection at the NFL level is obviously very different than it is at the collegiate level. There's a lot of things that are coming from the defensive side of the ball that are a little bit harder to adjust and pick up on. I know they think he's in the right direction, but I know there is a little learning curve and I think we're all just waiting because we think it's there with Treveon Henderson, we'll get a chance to see enjoy Baker Mayfield, enjoy him running around doing his thing. And do you think, you think we have, as we say goodbye here, a victory for the Patriots and we're moving one step closer to the playoffs.
Judd
They've been the most surprising team in the NFL. According to our playoff predictor at the Athletic, the New England Patriots have the best chance of making the postseason of any NFL team, which is still hard for me to wrap my head around after back to back four and 13 seasons. And so I think they're much, much better than I expected. And I think they're going to be good the rest of the season. And also I think they're going to lose in Tampa.
James Palmer
All right, there it is. Enjoy the trip, Chad.
Judd
Thank you.
James Palmer
Our road trip around the NFL on a Thursday continues. Nate Atkins joins me now. Jet lags, maybe no more from all of his travels that he has had over to London and now back a bye week. And here we are, Nate. We have Rams, 49ers. I had this game circled as one of my favorites of the weekend, but what I want to get to is Matthew Stafford off the jump. Give me your sales pitch that at 37 we are going to see Matthew Stafford with an MVP. Possible.
Nate Atkins
Yeah, I think it's really possible. I know he's up to fourth in odds right now and bet mgm and it just, it's it's like people are kind of on the outside starting to realize the level he's playing at where it's not just a 37 year old just kind of holding on and managing the game anymore. I mean this is a, this is a big time player. This is a guy who's number one in the league in average throw depth and number one in the league in the percentage of his yards that come through the air. And he's one of five quarterbacks ever to start a season with a touchdown interception ratio of 21 to 2 or better through the first eight games. And he's doing it at 37. It's amazing to see after he missed basically all of training camp managing a back issue and you just wondered at that time how much does he have left. But you come to learn that they were just trying to get him to these moments and the back looks, it's working. You know, he manages it every day and you do wonder, you know, when that, when that hit is going to happen that, that he doesn't come back from. But right now with the way they're protecting him, he's got his lowest sack rate of his Rams career. It's just letting him operate an offense that defenses don't have an answer to. With Puka De Ku on one side, Devonte Adams on the other, they're using a lot of two and three tight end sets and Matthew Stafford is just in control in a way that I haven't really seen a quarterback and I've covered him before in Detroit and, and some of his best years there. But this is a different level where he's, he's got 17 years of experience on this league and he just seems to be playing at a faster speed than a lot of the young defenders that they're going up against and they're dictating personnel with the, you know, bringing tight ends in, they'll pull your linebackers in and then they make you cover them when he drops back to pass. And he's just been so efficient and so effective and in the one thing we haven't seen as much this year that that has been a staple for him is some of the game winning drives, the clutch plays. Just because the Rams have blown out three straight teams and most of those their wins come that way. He should have another game winning drive. The last time they played the 49ers, he made one of the greatest throws you'll ever see. You know, avoiding pressure, scrambling back to his left and bombing it like 45 yards down the field at 2. 2 at. Well, should have set up the game winner, but pretty much everything's been there for him. Outside of maybe one half of football against the Eagles, he didn't, he missed a few throws, didn't play his best there. But outside of that, the 21 touchdowns to two picks kind of shows you the level that he's at. And just the last two weeks it's nine touchdowns and zero picks. It's the first time he's ever thrown four touchdowns in back to back games. So he's doing new things at age 37 he's never done before. And one of those new things that's out there is winning his first mvp. And so if he keeps this up and the Rams keep winning, I think he's absolutely at the forefront of that discussion.
James Palmer
One of my favorite things this season, honestly Nate, is that like he's finally getting some due. Like I feel like there was the previous group he was playing with of quarterbacks, he was getting overlooked even though he's playing well. Then the new group came in and I remember talking to Bruce Arians a handful of years back and we were talking about Patrick Mahomes and the no look passes and he was like, boy, have you ever watched Matthew Stafford? He's been doing this for an eternity. Before Patrick Mahomes came onto the scene, nobody was just paying attention. And I love what, what is happening with Matthew Stafford right now and the attention that he is getting with this offense. You mentioned with Puka and he's had a couple of times where he's been banged up. Now how has the growth of Stafford and Devonte Adams maybe helped them alleviate some of this? And hopefully you want Puka to be healthy for the full strength of the season, finishing this thing out. But that addition, how has it made life easier on both of them?
Nate Atkins
Yeah, I think the last two games really show you that value of Stafford because Puka only played really the equivalent of 1/2 last week before he went out with the ribs injury, missed the week before that with an ankle injury and he missed about half the week before that with that ankle injury. And yet, you know, at the time it felt, when Puka got hurt initially it felt like that was going to be an issue because when he had to leave two games in the middle of it, their passing game really froze. But it goes to show that so much about this team with Sean McVeigh and Matthew Staffords, about game planning and so when they knew going into a week that Puka is either going to be out or limited, they found other ways to win. And devonte Adams, like you said, is a huge reason for that. He's, he had a little bit of a slow start with Stafford just because they didn't have training camp together. They just kind of missed each other on some red zone opportunities. That has corrected itself with five touchdown passes in the last two weeks of devonte Adams, who's now leading the league in touchdowns. All of a sudden. So they've got that on one side and then the tight ends. That's really been, the thing that's, that's changed with Puk out is they've just decided to run tons of two and three tight end sets, which is something Sean McPhee's almost never really done. It's, that's, he's, he's been 11 personnel guy. But realizing that's a big trend in the NFL. Teams are doing this in order to force linebackers to play in coverage and it's showing the value of a, you know, a second round pick like they made with Terrence Ferguson out of Oregon. He's starting to make some splash plays. Their other tight ends are not household names, but they all kind of add something a little bit different with Tyler Higby kind of on these over routes and Davis Allen in the red zone, Colby Parkinson a little bit. And so it's an interesting mix where Stafford has always been a guy that just force feeds his top receivers. They're always in the top, you know, 10 of, of targets. And he's produced, you know, a triple crown season for Cooper cup and a nearly 2,000 yard season for Calvin Johnson. And Puka was on the path to do that to start the year. But the best version of Stafford in this offense is once they started to diversify with tight ends, Kyron Williams out of the back a little bit, getting devonte Adams going in the red zone. And so kind of that mix now that they have with Puka back in there is that Puka is that high volume guy that just slices up zone and kind of gets you into the red zone. And then devonte Adams and these tight ends help them finish those red zone drives right as defenses are trying to take away Puka and make someone else beat them. And that's, that's why the touchdown rate for Stafford is the highest it's ever been, is that they're, they're moving the ball enough to get in the red zone and now they have kind of all the answers out there where you pretty much have to get pressure on Stafford to be able to answer for that. But. But he's throwing really quick and making such quick play action decisions in the red zone. That's difficult too. So they've definitely gotten very hard to defend.
James Palmer
No, certainly the one thing that stands out to me is that tight red zone and how quickly Devonte Adams has been able to win for Stafford in that tight red zone has helped them down there as well. Before we go the other side of the ball, obviously defending the do it all running back and Christian McCaffrey is a handful. We know how aggressive and talented this, this defensive line is for the Rams. How do you see that matchup going? Because sometimes, you know, Kyle can use that aggressiveness against you in terms of how he uses Christian. How do you see that matchup between those two going with the really, let's just say it like the heater that CMC is on right now, not just running the football, but catching it as well.
Nate Atkins
Yeah, it's a great matchup of an amazing player who's on a great run and a defense that right now ranks second in the league in points allowed. Now, some of that has been that they haven't faced great offenses recently. So this will be the biggest test they've had since the last time they played the 49ers. And what happened in that game was what happens in a lot of matchups between Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, where Shanahan does make him pay for the aggressiveness, but he also really picks at the weakness in coverage AT linebacker. And McCaffrey had a huge day there as a receiver even though they held him to 2.6 yards of carry. So I expect more of that. You know, the Rams have tried to make some adjustments since that game where they traded for Roger McCurry from the Titans to kind of get more of a nickel dime option. They play a ton of dime. They're trying to limit how many linebackers are on the field because it's not a great matchup. But I think the return of George Kittle is going to be difficult for them as well because they were at least able to shut down the run that game against the 49ers. But Kittle has always changed the math in the run game. And then of course, that's another target in the middle of the field for them to have to, you know, deal with on play action and with some of these linebackers in space. So I think the Rams are just hoping that their, their pass rush shows up a little more than it did last time where it made plays in overtime and late in that game, but they really had a slow start and went down early, and they. They want to play with leads. That's. This team's built to do that, where they obviously have that potent offense. And if they can make you drop back again and again against guys like Jared Verse and Byron Young and Kobe Turner and Braden Fisk, that's where they feel like they're built to win. But if you're able to play in more comfortable situations against them and in not obvious passing downs, that's where you can kind of blur the run in the pass and you can work, play action, really get them. So that chess match is always fascinating when it's McVay versus Shanahan, and I feel like Shanahan's gotten the most of those. But this week, because largely the injuries that have happened to the 49ers with, you know, Fred Warner played last time, won't play this time. The Rams are the healthier, you know, just more rolling team at the moment. But they got to go on the road, and they've got to. They've got to find a way to limit McCaffrey or otherwise. This could be a game that's kind of back and forth and shootout, and you never know what's going to happen.
James Palmer
In that case, I'll sign up for a shootout, Nate. I'll tell you that. I'll shut up. A Mac Jones and Matthew Stafford shootout. Who would have thunk for a second time in a row now? We thought Brock Purdy would be back for this matchup at some point, but I guess that's not the case. So enjoy this one. Appreciate you. All right, moving on. We're talking Seahawks. Michael Shawn Dugar joins us. And I have to know, this is one of the best teams in football. When did you start getting the sense that John Schneider was going to be aggressive? Come the deadline, and we were going to see a move on the offensive side of the ball with Rasheed Shahid.
Mike
Yeah, I mean, it just felt like for. For a minute there that we're in an arms race in the nfc. You know, you could feel it with some of the other teams making moves. Both the teams in the division that are atop it made moves. The Niners went out and got help. The Rams went out and got help. It's hard to imagine John Schneider sitting there going, hmm, well, we don't need any help, you know, and. And they didn't need a receiver, to be very clear. But, you know, at this point, you just got to make your team better because it is so narrow. Atop the nfc. And John, he's always done this. You know, you can go back years and years. He's been around since 2010. So the sample size is very large, all the way from a MARSHawn lynch in 2010 to Ernest Jones in 2024. Jon kind of keeps the piggy bank stocked, you know, in the seasons, four times like this, for a rainy day. To get a Sheldon Richardson in 2017, to get a Dwayne Brown in 2017, to get a Leonard Williams in 2023, to get a Quandary Diggs in 2019, to get a Carlos Dunlap in 2020. So I'm never surprised when Jon makes deals. I mean, look at all the ones that just rattled. That's off the top of my head. There could be more. So this is what he does. He sees something. And he's not just one of those guys that stands out as well. Jon's not one of those guys who just only tries to fix a problem sometimes, which is the case the guy will talk about sometimes. It's like I'll strengthen a strength, you know, that's part of making my team better, too. You know, I find that fascinating because you don't necessarily always see that. Usually see people trying to put band aids over a wound at the trade deadline versus, you know, making just an already part of good part of their team better.
James Palmer
Yeah, it's. Where's this hole? Where's the leak in the boat? How do I fix that? No, how about we put our foot on the throat of the opponent a little bit further by getting ourselves to be even more dynamic as an offense. So I'd love to get your take on what we will see out of this offense. Obviously, you know, it's well known that Shahid knows Clint Kubiak's system. There was a lot of dynamic play before they were littered with injuries last year in New Orleans. With him playing for Clint, how quickly do you think he can get up to speed and how do you think him and JSN are going to be used as we see him on the outside so much in terms of JSN, 80% of his snaps out there. How do you see this offense operating and how quickly already against the Cardinals could we see Rasheed being used?
Mike
Yeah, you know, the quickness just comes down to his mental capacity. I've only just met the man the other day, but the offense is the same. He said that the playbook's the same. Most playbooks are the same, to be honest. They're just calling you call this post corner concept, something else, you call it blue. This other team calls it apple. You know, just, you know, and, and that does help that you have Clint because he can say, well okay, we were calling it banana before, but now this concept, it's a great point. We call it cheese and you know, for she's a super smart guy, which it seems to be say, okay, well let's running cheese now, you know, so I think that that'll help quite a bit. I mean it helped Ernest Jones with his transition last year. You know, he came from the Titans and their DC came from Baltimore, kind of came from that same tree. So he got over here and was like, okay, we call this blitz. This, you know, it's just this. Now you're good. And Ernest played, I think every snap against the Bills when he showed up here in the middle of the season. So I imagine that experience will help Clint Kubiak and Mike McDonald get Rasheed up to speed. How they'll use him is interesting because the Seahawks have one of the most run heavy offenses in the league according to true media. They lead the league in design, run rate, and yet they also have the league's leading receiver in Jackson Smith and Jigba who also has the highest target share in the league with a pretty big gap between him and second place, which is Jamar Chase. So you got a team that doesn't throw it very often and when they do, the bulk of it goes to Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Now what is correlation causation discussion there? Like are they throwing it because they're just trying to get it to Jax because that's the plan or he's the only guy who can get open a combination of the two. I think that the answer to that, the root cause, will determine how effective Rashid Shahid is. You know, do they start designing plays for him? Because if they just keep designing plays for Jackson as the number one option. I've seen Jackson routes. The world has seen him run routes down three prime time games. He's going to be open, you know, so if you're just. If Shahid's just a secondary option. Yeah, if he just takes over as the secondary guy and all these concepts, how often is he getting the ball? You know, what does this mean for Cooper cup, who's got heel and hamstring injuries? You know, I'm not a professional athlete, but I'm the same age as Cooper Cup. If I just woke up and my heel and my hamstring hurt at 32, you know that that could be A problem for a guy who does not play full season. That's just a fact over the last few years since his Triple crown season. So what does that mean for his target share? And so I think they also last thing on this, they don't have any reason to give Tory Horton the ball any less. You know, Sunday Night Football against the Commanders was his first time as wide receiver.
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Mike
He opened a game with two touchdowns, you know, and caught every that was thrown to him. So the only, I guess, criticism or question I'd say that comes with this move is did they just create a logjam at receiver where they didn't need one? You know, I think that's very fair to ask when you got a team that runs the ball as much as they do and feeds Jackson as often as they do.
James Palmer
Yeah, fair question. But also, defensive coordinators now are looking at this going, where do I give safety help? What do I like? What bind am I in with these two guys? It's going to be kind of fun to see how defenses line up against them because they spend so much time in base and do different things. It sits interesting to see what happens there, the team they're going against. Michael, before you go just it's been there's a lot of headlines surrounding what's going on in Arizona. You see Jacoby Brissette going out there and running this offense and maybe more on time. However you want to look at it in the way Trey McBride's being used in the red zone. How do you see defensively, Seattle approaching a Jacoby Brissette team as opposed to a Kyler Murray team, and maybe some of those weapons being looked at a little bit differently in different parts of the field.
Mike
Yeah, I think as funny as this is to say in 2025, Jacoby does unlock every part of the the field in a way that Kyler Murray just was not. The film bears that out. You know, the numbers bear that out. Marvin Harrison Sr's temperament bears that out. You know, you can, you can just watch a Cardinals game and see, oh, this looks different. Now they're using the middle of the field, using the deep part of the field this year, which is oddly a place Kyler was struggling for the first part of this season, which I didn't expect as someone who's been watching him twice a year since he got in the league. I've seen him heave it down the field. So to not use a Marvin Harrison, to not use a Michael Wilson, who's a good complimentary weapon too, is very strange. I think Jacoby is kind of. It's weird. We're in this paradigm shift among quarterbacks where you want guys who can move. You don't necessarily. We're moving away from like a Matt Ryan type or Drew Brees. You know, we stand there.
James Palmer
They're still there, but.
Mike
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're still there. But Stafford' got a gray beard, right? Which shows you how, how much closer he is to the, to the previous paradigm than he is to Jaden Daniels. But at the end of the day, quarterback does not change. And I watching all these young guys and watching them get drafted and watching even a Caleb Williams get tatted as this hot thing in his draft class, I'm just reminded what Pete Carroll would always say, Mike, I just need my quarterback to throw a catchable ball. Like that's the first goal. All this running around. You can do all this off script stuff, that's fine. That'll get you on highlights that get you Nike sponsorship, whatever. That's cool. Can you stand there and throw a catchable ball? And that's what Jacobe does. We see he throws it to Trey McBride, he throws it to Michael Wilson, he throws it to Marvin, Marvin Harrison Jr. And I think the Seahawks are going to be. They're going to have to have the whole field on lock, which is harder to do than it was with, with Kyler. I think the last thing maybe works in their favor though is they can change their rush plan. When you rush with Kyler, you kind of got to have at least one of the four up front say, hey, hey, if he gets to run and go chase him down with Jacoby, he is going to stand there. So now you can have a more normal run your games, run your stunts. Guys can come up field with more confidence because I love Jacoby, but he ain't running away from nobody. So I think it's a big difference than week four. This would be a tightly different game to me and I actually expect it to be a competitive game on Sunday.
James Palmer
I love it. You know, it's funny what you said, Mike kind of reminded me of when I talk to receivers and guys maybe that are retired or whatever. Hey, what'd you think of the quarterback X or what'd you. They don't go like, you know what, man, that guy could run around and make plays. They usually always the first thing to say is, man, I love the way he threw the ball. Like I could do something with it after, after he got me the football. It's funny, I just started thinking about that with Certain guys have said, manuel Sanders, man, I love the way he used to give me a ball that I could do something with. Like that's what stands out to the guys that are catching it. Before you go, I just, I have to say, put your John Schneider hat on. If you were running the Seahawks, what would you have been looking at to possibly also do? I can see John rocking that.
Judd
Right.
James Palmer
What would you also have looked at before this deadline that maybe in the most competitive division we have here to make this Seahawks team better that you might look at as this year goes on?
Mike
Yeah, I would have looked around, depending on the health of Ernest Jones IV and his knee injury that he suffered on Sunday Night Football. If that was severe, which we don't know as of right now, I would have called around to see if there's any inside linebackers that could help me plug that hole, because that, that is a pretty big hole. If Earnest has to miss this game or the next game against his former team, the Rams. These are big games, the NFC west. You just can't afford to drop any games here, particularly at home, which were the Cardinals. One is on Sunday. So I would have maybe called around, you know, call the Saints again and say, hey, can you put Demario Davis on that same Delta flight up here, you know, or can you call the, Call the Dolphins, you know, since they're finally having the fire sale. They should. And say, hey, just Jordan Brooks. Does he still have a North Face coat, you know, or did he get rid of that stuff when he moved to Miami? We could, we could use him. You know, he's got some familiarity with the, with the area. They drafted him first in the first round of 2020 or. If you weren't going to do that, I wouldn't have been opposed to upgrading your pass rush. You know, they have one of the best pass rushes in the league, but it can always be better. You know, John Schneider's friends with Howie Roseman, they believe in the same thing. You never have enough DBs, never have enough pass rush. You know, that's. They both believe that pretty fervently. So I would have called around and maybe thrown Boy Mafe in a deal to get a guy back. You know, I think that would be, that would have been really good. Boy is on an expiring contract. I, I would be surprised if they brought him back. You know, he's a pressure rate guy, but not a sack guy. He doesn't have a sack this year. So there's some other moves I'm sure John was doing all of this if this stuff of course, you know, it takes two to tango though and it pass rushers aren't cheap. And yeah, I don't know if they would have been able to get JB or if Ernest Jones is healthy. They don't need him.
James Palmer
Yeah, John is not one that's, that's lacking picking up the phone by any stretch in terms of where TN's stand. Michael, appreciate it. Nobody covers the Seahawks better than this man right here. Make sure you read everything he has on the athletic. Appreciate. Enjoy the game Sunday, man.
Mike
I appreciate you. Thanks for having me.
James Palmer
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Jake Seeley
Oh, I'm actually really surprised. I thought you were more in this world. I wore the wrong. I wore knowing this half the battle. That's what this is. By the way.
James Palmer
I was the Joe guy, of course.
Jake Seeley
So there you go. I have a T shirt upstairs that says video game tech and it's a Nintendo cartridge and just air being blown into it.
James Palmer
That's me. That is me. See? 100% yes.
Jake Seeley
For everybody out there that actually did play PlayStation 2, which, by the way, I had a guest on my podcast yesterday. He goes, oh, I. I played it. It was my dad's. And I was like, well, thank you for making me feel ancient and like I should have grandkids at this point.
James Palmer
Wow.
Nate Atkins
Yeah, I know.
Jake Seeley
But God of War is on the number one of the list and the Metal Gear Solid series is number two. So those are the big ones. Big shout out if you did like Zelda for everybody out there that never played it. Okami. If you were ever looking for Sony's ripoff version, it's with a dog wolf kind of character type of thing. So if you ever wanted to play that, that might be up your alley. You can handle that one.
James Palmer
No, I don't think I could. Because when I got the Nintendo Wii, there was a Zelda game, right? And there was a Zelda game. I was like. And I was like, I'm gonna get into video games. I'm gonna do it. And I was playing this and I'm playing forever. And I go back and obviously I'm working in a TV studio. So every editor, every graphics guy are like the most. The greatest video game players of all time. And I'm like, guys, I'm playing Zelda for Wii. Just gotta find this cat. And they're like, bro, that is the practice training ground. You still haven't left like the learn the controller area and trying to find this stupid cat which is just supposed to teach you how the game works. And I was like, yep, let's go back to swinging it Wii tennis or whatever I was doing.
Jake Seeley
We gotta move on from this. But by the way, the Wii default like menu song and sports, so bangers of a soundtrack. My wife actually hates me that I like. Anytime I hear it, I let it play and she gets aggravated every time.
James Palmer
Just crank. Let's play that right now as we get right into this. At first there was a point in time where I thought that was eventually going to be my main menu on my television and everything would go through my Wii. But that was a short lived Experience. Let's get to a couple of these wide receiver trades. We have similar compensation, but a little bit different for Rashid. Shahid goes to Seattle into an offense that he knows and you would think he could hit the round running right away because of his familiarity with Clint Kubiak. And then you have Jacoby Myers, who we can get to next. But I want to focus first on Rasheed Shahid. What do you see happening now that he's with Mr. Deep Ball himself, Sam Darnold, in an offense that he knows. Will this just happen right away?
Jake Seeley
Yeah, it also like one of the things is pouring one out for Torrey Horton. There's a lot of excitement there.
James Palmer
And I. I was in Colorado right here, csu.
Jake Seeley
There you go. Yeah, I was really excited for everybody out there. If you're a keeper league, don't throw away Torrey Horton, but you can pretty much throw him away for this season because you brought it up. We know Kubiak used him last year. That being Shahid, like Derek Carr doesn't throw the best deep ball. He throws an okay one for like when he played. Like he. He got too much hate. You know that. But at the same time, what did we watch last year when he was out there? Deep balls to Shahid, deep balls to Shaheed. Kubia schemes his system, which you well know. A lot of crossing with his running backs and his tight ends and he sends one to two people downfield. Obviously, a lot of times it's both wide receivers, but that's where I'm with you. I think Shahid walks in and immediately steps in as the number two. Maybe it's not 90% this week, but even 70% of the routes because like you said, he knows the system. QBAC knows him. Part of the reason they traded for him. And he's now their clear number two, which just pretty much throws away any hope of Cooper cup having any value for the rest of the season. For fantasy purposes, but yeah, I think that you can immediately put Shahid in your lineup. There's some risk. But after the this week, once he's fully 100% incorporated, I think you're looking at a consistent wide receiver. 3 Every single week which will be in the the names of Troy Franklin, Kaysha Booty where any given week you have 20 point upside and worst case your floor is maybe five or six points.
James Palmer
Okay, let me ask you this before we go to Jacoby Myers. JSN owners, do they think this makes them increases their points for. For jsn because now you have somebody on the other side that needs to draw some focus. Or do you think your numbers may go down a little bit if you have the number one receiver in football?
Jake Seeley
So I know what you're doing because everybody asked this. It's the trap of the overthinking. It's like you could paint it every different direction.
Judd
I think it's stardom.
Jake Seeley
I'm just curious.
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Jake Seeley
No, no, no. I know, but I was saying, like, you know the answer is what I'm saying. Like, you know what you're. Like you're leading into it is everybody always sees this and they're like, well, a better wide receiver means less coverage. And well, they're like, well, a better wide receiver means fewer targets. And then you can paint it 18 different directions. The point being here is JSN and Darnold in this offense are so good, you're not worried about it. Jordan Addison is a good example of. Look at how good he did on a touchdown rate last year with Darnold. Didn't hurt Justin Jefferson by breaking out last year. So all that being said is maybe JSN loses one big target every third game or maybe one touchdown. Don't worry about JSN, okay?
James Palmer
It doesn't sound like you painted 18 different ways. Sound like you painted it one way. And I understand it. This is a paint by numbers. The situation here. Jake Ogler, did you Jacoby Myers. We know we have Travis Hunter on IR. We know that Brian Thomas Jr. Some teams are sniffing around to see if they could trade for him. He was kind of available there. What is Jacobe Myers bring to this offense? It seems like they are raving James Gladstone about the arrival of Jacoby Myers.
Jake Seeley
Interesting sentence and yeah, raving with the term. I'm sure you saw they called his superpower being able to catch the ball.
James Palmer
Like, I wonder if that's a shot at somebody else.
Jake Seeley
I was going to say shots fire. Throwing people under the bus over there. Like Jacoby Myers is still Jacoby Myers. And why I say that facet is because for us in fantasy, he's a wide receiver. Three like he's just going to go out there and produce, produce, produce. He's in the same tier as Shahid. The difference is is you're going to just get 8 to 15 points every single week from Jacoby Myers and know what you're going to get. Shahid's going to be the volatile 25, 25 and stuff like that. So Jacoby Myers, as long as Brian Thomas is out, will be the number bone. But even Brian Thomas back, he'll be the number two and I think the bigger thing here. Similarly to Torrey Horton, all the excitement for Parker Washington gets muted, at least. I wouldn't say don't use Parker Washington at all this week, but where people were excited for him to be potentially top 30 at wide receiver, maybe he's more in the wide receiver four range. Assuming Brian Thomas is out, once Brian Thomas comes back, then you can kind of toss away Parker Washington, unfortunately.
James Palmer
Okay. What seems to be always frustrating, by the way, just side note, it's like, you know that Jacoby Myers is going to bring the exact, exact same type of play every week. The issue is you don't know which Trevor Lawrence is going to show up each week. So the offense kind of goes like this. Even though your receiver might be a very consistent type of player, like they are thinking they're getting with Jacoby Myers. Speaking of consistency, that's kind of Ben Jacoby Brissette right now. That's kind of the way he's played with this offense. How does this impact fantasy lineups? I'm kind of looking over there at a certain junior going, is this now a much more viable and senior had some words, by the way, who never says anything, but certainly was out there talking before this last game and his son got some targets.
Jake Seeley
So this one's weird because this is perception, obviously, for everybody out there thinks, oh, Jacoby Brissette is going to fix everything that we've been complaining about with Kyler Murray. But if you go back, whichever you do, if you watch all the Jacoby Myers and Kyler Murray games, or if you go back to the metrics and just only go that you can go both ways with it. And the point being here is, whether objectively or subjectively, Jacoby Brissette and Kyler Murray have actually been identically performers for Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison's numbers, watching him play, everything's been exactly the same. It's just the perception because it happened too, and everybody was watching and he threw Marvin Harrison's way a ton to start the game and everybody like, oh, it's fixed. This has been the problem. Marvin Harrison's been no different with Jacoby Brissette. The big difference, Trey McBride has been a huge difference with Jacoby Brissett, especially in the touchdown department. But I will say this and you know, like, take football aside of it and I don't want to be like 2025. I'm sounding like the youths and all that type of stuff, but there's kind of like a Vibe like it, it feels different with Brissette and it feels like even though everything's been identical with Marvin Harrison, with Kyler Murray is maybe just the feel that like Scatterboo when he was running back in the backfield for the Giants. There's just something to be said for like what it does for the excitement for the team, the feel for the team. And maybe it is a little bit of stock up from Marvin Harris.
Nate Atkins
Maybe a little bit.
Jake Seeley
But I say the big winner here is the Trey McBride situation where he is going to be in the name of Brock Bowers like he was last year as so good at tight end. You can even start him in your flex as a wide receiver.
James Palmer
Ooh, look at that. I kind of don't mind that move at all. I do remember Trey McBride saying after that last game, there's a certain confidence and feel in our huddle when Jacoby is in there. That kind of gives us that vibe. Also, Brock Bowers this past week. Outstanding. Real quick, I'm going to put this on record so everybody can hear it. Should I start Kenneth Walker or Tyrone Tracy as my other running back opposite of James Cook?
Jake Seeley
So you have two split backfields, right? Okay, whose offense do you like more?
James Palmer
Well, obviously I like Seattle's office.
Jake Seeley
Yeah, Kenneth Walker every time. The problem is, is Brian Dable dabled us. He's like, you know what? Every single double digit carry game for Tyrone Tracy last year, double digit points. In fantasy, he looked great. Everybody's like, oh, super excited. It's like his only issue is fumbling. And then it's like comes out this year and it's like, okay, cool, we're going to go back to Tyrone Tracy from 2024. Nope. We're going to go to a 5050 split with Devin Singletary because he can't break up with Devin Singletary. So if you're giving me a split backfield, I'm going to take the better offense and I'm going to take the person who has tons of explosiveness and Kenneth Walker.
James Palmer
I do appreciate my forward thinking. I feel awful for Cam Scatterboo, but I was like, you can't keep running like this. Something's going to happen. Happened. So I picked up Dyn Tracy two weeks ago.
Jake Seeley
This has nothing to do with anything. Did you see the clip on Instagram with the dude that's Cam Scoo coming out of the surgery and he's in a wheelchair with a helmet on and immediately runs into the wall on purpose.
James Palmer
But I can picture it in my head and that's the beauty of it. Honestly, without even seeing it, that's the best. He's Jake Sealey. He knows everything. I'm not going to lie. The list. I feel like you have more hours in a day than appreciate it, brother. I will text you this weekend. If things don't go well with my fantasy team, I expect it. All right, perfect. Coming up on Scoop City on a Thursday as we round things out, the most unbelievable stat you will ever hear in the history of your lifetime. What is it? Stay tuned. Get Thanksgiving ready at Whole Foods Market with so many ways to save their 365 brand has great prices and the high quality you expect. No antibiotics ever. Turkeys start at $1.49 a pound with Prime. Round out your spread with mashed potatoes and condensed soups, plus fresh organic produce like green beans, white mushrooms and carrots for casseroles and sides. Shop low prices and quality at Whole Foods Market in store or online terms apply.
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So welcome back to Scoop City on a Thursday as we wrap things up, I did promise you the greatest stat that you will ever hear in the history of your lifetime. Yes, Dramatic teaser. Yes accurate as well. We all know Derrick Henry is one of the greatest running backs in the history of the NFL. We also know he was an outstanding running back at the University of Alabama. But he was also maybe the greatest running back in the history of high school football. With the high school football record that he finished with in 2012 with 12,124 career rushing yards as a high school running back. Well, there is a chance that a young man, Miles McLaughlin at Knox Community in Indiana has a chance to break that record. Yes, Miles has a chance to break King Henry's record. He has 3,603 rushing yards. Just his senior season he's averaging 327 yards a game. So to break Henry's record he has to play all four games which would be going into the state championship game and playing in that which would allow him to have an opportunity to break this record if he averages over 280 yards a game and he would then break that mark of 12,124 career rushing yards in high school. Actually Derrick Henry was on my friend K. Adams show recently and said he has seen Miles run the football and he knows of him. I don't know if he's going to give Miles a shout out if he breaks it or if he's going to pop champagne if Miles doesn't break it and he holds on to the record. But nevertheless, Miles McLaughlin is on a hell of a tear right now. And even with the thought that he could break Derrick Henry's all time high school rushing record, these numbers are just astounding. Again, I'll say this, 327 yards a game during his senior year. Right now my fingers are crossed. I'd like to see Miles break it. We'll update it in four weeks to see if he does. That was Scoop City on a Thursday. Hope you enjoyed yourself and Enjoy your week 10 football game. Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson star in Die My Love, a ferocious portrait of a woman engulfed by love and madness. Lawrence and Pattinson play a passionate couple who, after moving to an isolated house in the country, find their relationship unraveling following the birth of their first child. Vanity Fair hails Lawrence's performance as astonishing and Time calls it the kind of performance you go to the movies for. From director Lynne Ramsey, Die My Love is Only in theaters November 7th. Rated R. How do more than 100 million Fortnite players join the battle without lag?
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Date: November 6, 2025
Host: James Palmer (The Athletic)
Guests: Michael-Shawn Dugar, Nate Atkins, Judd, Jake Seeley
This episode dives deep into NFL Week 10 storylines, dissecting trade deadline moves and what they mean for postseason races. The hosts focus particularly on the Seattle Seahawks’ aggressive acquisition of Rasheed Shahid, assessing how it positions them in a cutthroat NFC. Other stops on the NFL “road trip” include takes on the Patriots’ surprising rise and strategic patience, the Rams’ surging offense behind a resurgent Matthew Stafford, and fantasy consequences of the trade deadline. The episode closes with a mind-boggling high school football stat.
Guest: Judd
Segment Start: [04:11]
Why the Patriots Didn’t Go “All-In”
Focus on Offseason Leverage
Offensive Transformation
Keys to Beating Tampa Bay
Playoff Predictions
Guest: Nate Atkins
Segment Start: [12:33]
Matthew Stafford’s Renaissance
Offensive Adjustments
49ers Matchup Breakdown
Guest: Michael-Shawn Dugar
Segment Start: [23:12]
John Schneider’s Trade Philosophy
Rasheed Shahid’s Fit and Impact
Defending Jacoby Brissett and the Cardinals
Further Needs and Hypotheticals
Guest: Jake Seeley
Segment Start: [37:55]
Rasheed Shahid in Seattle
JSN’s Value with Shahid Onboard
Jacoby Myers’ New Role
Brissett’s Effect on Cardinals’ Weapons
Start/Sit: Kenneth Walker vs. Tyrone Tracy
On John Schneider’s trade activity:
“I'm never surprised when John makes deals. I mean, look at all the ones that just rattled... this is what he does.” – Michael-Shawn Dugar [23:12]
On the Patriots’ rebuild:
“They almost had to pay a suck tax last year.” – James Palmer [05:24]
On Brissett vs. Kyler Murray for Arizona:
“At the end of the day, quarterback does not change. And... I just need my quarterback to throw a catchable ball. Like that's the first goal.” – Michael-Shawn Dugar, quoting Pete Carroll [29:51]
Historic High School Football Stat – The Derrick Henry Chase End of Episode: [50:29]
James Palmer shares an incredible stat: Miles McLaughlin, a high school running back in Indiana, is on pace to break Derrick Henry’s national record of 12,124 career rushing yards—a feat once thought unassailable. McLaughlin is averaging 327 yards per game and needs to maintain over 280 per game through the state championship to surpass Henry.
“King Henry’s record is on the line... My fingers are crossed. I’d like to see Miles break it. We’ll update it in four weeks to see if he does.” – James Palmer [50:29]
This episode delivers rich insight on the ripple effects of the NFL trade deadline, blending insider perspective with sharp, fan-friendly breakdowns. The Seahawks’ aggressive roster-building signals they're serious NFC contenders, the Rams remain dangerous with Stafford in MVP form, and the Patriots’ patience could pay massive dividends in free agency. The fantasy segment makes sense of shifting lineups, and a wild stat grounds the episode in the roots of football lore.
For any NFL fan wanting the inside edge—and entertainment to boot—this episode is a must-listen.