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James Palmer
Welcome into Scoop City. James Palmer with you alongside senior NFL insider for the Athletic, Diana Rossini and we were recording Diana an episod of Scoop City this morning. We recorded right after Terry McLaurin ended his hold in and we'll get to that in a moment. But Trey Hendrickson and the Cincinnati Bengals come to an agreement. You had the news. He is now, I believe, putting pen to paper. You might have more details on that, but we expect him week one to be on the field. What got this done?
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Diana Rossini
Yes, yes, it is a busy Monday of news for these hold ins, holdouts and however we want to call it the summer of everyone wanting to get paid. And Trey Hendrickson is now going to get paid on a one year, $30 million guaranteed deal. He'll be an unrestricted free agent here at the end of this season. So let's just go back real quick, right? Remember these two sides, they thought they were moving in a good direction right before the start of camp. He was expected to show up when the veterans were there to report. And then everything fell through because of that second year. The guaranteed money he was looking for was not there in the offer. So the Cincinnati Bengals originally offered three years, $95 million and he and his camp decided to walk away from that. And they've spent the last few weeks and from what I was told this morning, really hammering this out. Monday morning, it finally all came together around 5:15 Eastern where they made the decision, this is it. We'll take the $30 million guaranteed on the one year and we will hit the free agent market when this season's up. And so papers are signed. He's expected to be at practice on Tuesday with his team. And this ends what I think was probably something pretty distracting for a def. It certainly needs a guy like Trey Hendrickson.
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James Palmer
Yeah, if you watched any of these preseason games and we have, they're in desperate need of Trey Hendrickson. To put it a little bit clearer for you, Diana, 36 sacks for the Cincinnati Bengals a season ago, tied for 25th in the NFL. Trey Hendrickson had 17 and a half of those. So that's about 46% the highest percentage of sacks by one player on one team in the NFL here in desperate need of his services as part of this defense that is now under Al Golden. Now, you mentioned that contract and I want to dig further into that. The three years for 95. Now, to clarify you, you're stating that it did not have guarantees though past the first year.
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Diana Rossini
Correct. So they were really looking for the first two years to be guaranteed. In fact, they would have liked it all to be guaranteed, obviously, but they Were just really trying to meet halfway there, give us the next two years guaranteed. And the Bengals were not comfortable doing that, which is why they were able to do this now while this was all happening, you know, I was getting texts from other organizations about other moves that were happening, and I was just communicating, like, working on this trade deal right now. And I got to tell you, some reaction was surprised. A lot of people were shocked you took a one year deal.
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James Palmer
It's another Band Aid. It is another Band Aid in Cincinnati.
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Diana Rossini
With him, which is what it's really been with him. I feel like contract after contract has just been these. These little band aids, as you put it, which, by the way, can you tell I had a coffee right when this was all happening.
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James Palmer
Yeah, you're jacked.
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Chase Daniel
Let's go.
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Diana Rossini
You know what? It was. It just was all coming in hot. And look, there were definitely some vibes, we'll call it over the weekend, that something was gonna, you know, happen here. Trey has been very open with us here on Scoop City with where things stand, and very open about wanting to play and be out on the field and. And I truly believe that he wanted to go about this with the smallest amount of attention he could possibly get and really try to make it about his teammates. And he was emphatic about it, actually. Almost obsessive about making sure the world knew he just wants to play football, but he understands this business and he just wanted to be respected. And so here we are now, and I can tell you they are relieved. And some of the message from people that are close to him said just over text, it's now time to get back to what we love. So. But we'll see how much better this Bengals defense will be now that they got their star. What's Joe Burrow doing right now?
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James Palmer
He's got to be ecstatic, but he does know this is probably for one year. We won't get past 2025 right now. He will be a free agent in 2026. We'll see what ends up happening. They could tag him if they wanted to, Diana, because, remember, there was talk, and correct me if I'm wrong, that this was going to be potentially a contract that would put him close to the top of the edge rusher. Not at the top. Not at the, you know, the very tippy top of it, but close to the top of the edge rusher market. The years were kind of agreed upon, but the guarantees were really the thing that always held this thing up. It really seemed to be the sticking point, and it was Something that they broke in terms of their precedent for Joe Burrow. They've broken terms of their precedent for Jamar Chase. They did not. For T. Higgins. They would not budge on this deal with Trey Hendrickson, furthering the guarantees. So it is a one year, and I would like to see what Joe Burrow looks like because they do not have the same super bowl pedigree that they believe they have in Cincinnati without Trey Hendrickson.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, I am interested to see what's actually in the contract, like the details of whether or not the Bengals will have the ability to tag him, because as we know, some players able to get that removed. So that'll be the next layer to this that we'll dig on. But look, I do. I think that Trey Hendrickson and his family probably were hoping to stay a Cincinnati Bengal for a long time on a secure deal. Yeah, I never got the sense that they wanted to play anywhere else. In fact, when he spoke to us, he said it, he's like, I want to be here. Right. Whereas we're seeing a lot of situations in these holdings and holdouts where, you know, Michael Parsons is like, I don't want to be a Dallas Cowboy. Like, get me out of here. I don't want to be here. That was never it. And I, I never believed that Trey was. Was going to leave it just. I wasn't certain the Bengals were going to be able to agree to a one year. I always thought that they were looking for something that was longer and obviously at a lower price. But now, and on their terms, and on their terms now what? A 14 million dollar pay raise for him? Not, not, not bad for portray Hendrickson here as. Look, he gets another, another opportunity. He has another sensational year and we'll see how this plays out.
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James Palmer
Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see what ends up happening after this season. We could once again be in the situation with Trey Hendrickson again. Diana, you could be working the phones with Trae once again and having these conversations with him once again next offseason. Because this all stems back to when he originally arrived in Cincinnati and has been one of the best pass rushers in the NFL since he arrived. But it was on a Covid discount type of free agency market that they were operating in, and he's been trying to get that extra guaranteed money. He does line his pockets with an extra 14 million, which is outstanding. Anything else on this before we get back to our regularly scheduled program?
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Diana Rossini
Your move, Jerry Jones. Your move. Right. If we get, you know, a triple header on this and we're coming back later tonight to do another version of. We should definitely keep this one in but come back and just do three editions of one show, which is good luck.
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James Palmer
We love you, Mac. Keep editing, keep working, keep grinding. Here's your regularly scheduled Scoop City.
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Diana Rossini
Like if I smile, the New York Post back page tomorrow is going to be bright light, big city, Jackson dark. Dable nails it like whatever. Gosh, don't ever let me write a headline.
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Chase Daniel
But that's a great headline.
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James Palmer
You're like Michael Scott, like a 98 word headline on a newspaper. Never mind. Welcome back in on a Monday to Scoop City. I'm James Palmer. We have a deal done in D.C. does that mean a couple of the other hold ins, Trey Anderson, Michael Parsons, are those getting done? We will find out. Don't forget to like and subscribe. I am joined by, as always on a Monday by 14 year NFL vet Chase Daniel. We also have senior NFL insider Diana Rossini. Hello people. We have news. Let's do it. Let's dive in. How we doing?
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Diana Rossini
News, news. Let's go on a Monday. Big news.
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James Palmer
News on a Monday. News team assemble. Here's what we're going to be talking about throughout the course of the show though. Shador Sanders, we have a sabotage call. The Beastie Boys. What's happening in the quarterback room in the Cleveland Browns situation? Also, we are going to talk about Terry McLaurin. I just teased it right there. And also Micah Parsons. What's happening there? What's happening as he sleeps through a third preseason game? Diana, you had the news this morning about the contract extension for Terry McLaurin. You've been all over this. You were boots on in Washington a couple of days ago. We'll get to what Jayden Daniels kind of maybe predicted to you. I don't know. But give us the details of Terry McLaurin's contract extension.
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Diana Rossini
Well, he gets his contract extension three years, $96 million. That's just about $1 million short of DK Metcalf's APY. But look at it this way, in terms of the actual contract length, if you look at dk, he sat up there for four years. So now the commanders have one less year. So I guess that's where they kind of met in the middle here. So this deal came together just around 11am Eastern is when they finally agreed to this. And guys, we've been talking about it so much on this show for the last few months actually knowing that the conversations between Terry's camp and the Washington commanders began back at the combine and this, this just seems like it was harder than it probably had to be. And I'm sure we'll, we'll get into the dissection of maybe this could have just been done a little sooner. But we know that Terry was, was shooting for the moon right out of the gate. Their, their asking price initially was somewhere around 40, 41 billion a year. You know, now they land, you know, here in the low 30s. And look, that's what a negotiation is, right? You asked for top money and you hope to, to, to get somewhere. And obviously the Washington commanders didn't believe that he was worth at the top of the market, but they were able to come to an agreement which, from what I can gather, talking to both sides of this, everyone seems just absolutely thrilled that, that this was ironed out and agreed to.
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Chase Daniel
Do we know the guaranteed money at all? Because just looking at it right Now, I mean, $32 million a year and we'll see the contract once it comes out. And that seems like an overwhelming victory for the camp of scary Terry because a lot of people may be in the league. A lot of people out there didn't think he'd at least get 30. I was in the camp. Just want to say it. He deserves that type of money. He's number one receiver. Do we have anything on guaranteed double pat on the back money at all?
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Diana Rossini
Okay, you're, you're adorable that you're giving yourself credit. I think everyone on the planet understood or felt that Terry was worth the money for what he's done. But that's not what this is about. It's not about what he's done, which is what Washington was standing on of. Are those, you know, early 30 years going to catch up to him despite the fact that he's been fantastic and he hasn't been injured and he's been on the field a lot in terms of how they got here eventually, I can tell you that Washington was very concerned about what this happens. Look like, James, you pointed to it last week when we discussed this, right. This is not the same offense without Terry. And they saw what you saw, they saw what I saw, they saw what the world saw. So it wasn't really rocket science that they needed to probably give and chase. To your point, you are right. Many people around the league we discussed on the show did not believe that Terry was actually going to get more than 30 APY. Most saw him in that 27, 28, even $29 million range. And I reached out to a few people around the league here, just some decision makers and I'm getting a lot of the same response. Washington caved. Right. Washington gave me here. And look, there were some give on both sides. But I do think in the end Terry got the number that I think they knew they would wind up getting. So certainly a big win for McLaurin in his camp.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, Huge, huge win for his camp. But not back to my original point. Yeah. For Jayden Daniel. See, that helps to have a quarter not to that, like, yes, it's what Terry has meant to the organization, what he has done. I know everyone thought he was worth that much money, but it's also what he means to the offense. You can't tell me that you're not going to go out there two or three weeks before and not have your number one receiver. Who are they going to rely on? Deebo Samuel, who's a gadget guy, or Zach Ertz, who I love to death but is 30 something years old? He is a bonafide number one there. So to have him locked in at. I don't know. Where does he rank in the NFL? Seven. Eighth in terms of API, six, whatever it is.
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James Palmer
There were nine, I think at 30 or more.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah. So nine. To have him in that conversation, it's absolutely part of Cliff Kingsbury's offense. And we heard Cliff Kingsbury talk like, hey man, it's out of my. Like, he was pissed that it wasn't done yet. Now we talk about, can you get in shape fast enough on field to have a full set of plays? Because he's a guy that never comes off the field. Right. And I'm guessing they're probably going to limit his plays. And when I say limit, I'm saying like, hey, maybe you're not out there 65 snaps a game, maybe you're out there 50, but you don't want to have a situation where you're pushing them full out and it's hot and you like, you know, knock on wood, get injured or anything like that. So that's what I'm looking at on like, hey, how is that situation going to play out? Because football shapes way different than practice shape or training camp shape. It is like balls to the walls for 75 plays on offense.
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James Palmer
Yeah, I think Chase, this is off the top of my head because I looked at it maybe a week ago. I think he's like an 85% of their snaps type of. Type of guy on the outside. I think it's. It's up there and he's played at that 90 rate. Certain games last season, I think as we pat each other on the back, I do want to say I think I pushed this over the goal line because I put a tweet out this morning. This is my Chase Daniels. I put a tweet out this morning that after Jared Goff and Amara St. Brown, the second highest passer rating from quarterback to wide receiver in the NFL, Jayne Daniels to Terry McLaurin, third, by the way, just to let you know, if you didn't follow me on Twitter, was Jalen Hurts and A.J. brown. I mean, the connection is there. The trust factor, I think is there. Chase, I'm curious, is this something to wear? A receiver and a quarterback, are the two of them spending evenings in an indoor facility throwing together? Do you think they found ways to continue to work out while Terry's not out at practice?
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Chase Daniel
You know, that's a great question. I don't think if Terry was that dug in like Diana was saying, and you guys were saying, I don't know if he actually even took a rep with Jaden Daniels, but honestly, like, no, because there's. During training camp, it's interesting because there's not a lot of downtime. There's not a lot of time. Hey, let's go throw. Let's go do that. Jaden had already practiced. You're in meetings constantly. It's just mentally, it's. It's an overload now. I'd imagine in these next two weeks, there will be some. On their own sessions. There will be, hey, let's just get ramped back up. Even if it's 10 throws to the left, 10 throws to the right. All right, that's day one. I'm sure there will be a protocol to get him back up into game shape. But also like running with pads on and running with helmets on and running with full. That's a different animal than just out there throwing with Jaden. Daniel.
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James Palmer
Yeah, listen, you can wear a helmet and pads while you work out. I went to Johnny Manziel's pro day. I want to ask you this, Diana, which was the strangest thing ever. I just had to throw that in there wearing a guy shoulder pads and a helmet. I remember it was the weirdest pro day I've ever been to. Bush showed up in a golf cart. There was a dj. It was crazy. Chase hinted at this Diana about what he's done in the past, right? That's two owners, four head coaches, four offensive coordinators, 11 quarterbacks and consistent production. And then you saw what he does. Sets a franchise record with 13 touchdowns for the first time. When he's playing with a legitimate, legitimate kind of franchise type quarterback, what he's done, you know, in the future is maybe a little of the concern now that he's getting into his 30s. I think a lot of people you and I have talked to around the league believe his game translates into the 30s just by the way he plays it. But the way this went about between the two sides and Terry pulled every lever you could imagine in trying to get a deal done right. Sat out the off season workouts, he held out, he voiced his opinion to the media publicly, then he held in, then he requested a trade. I'm not sure what else you can do from a player stance of trying to get the deal done with his reputation that I'm getting at in that building. Was there ever a fear in your mind maybe that the locker room is looking at this going, this is our new general manager who we're trying to see how he does business in Adam Peters. And we're kind of keeping an eye on this deal as well because this is kind of the face of our franchise through a lot of downs and very few ups.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah. So while you don't want to talk to the people involved when they're joining you on Scoop City like they did Dan Quinn and Jake and dig into like, so have you soured on this organization now that the best player, at least in terms of character and all around outside Jaden, isn't getting what he wants? No. But I will say this, and look, you can listen back to some of the interviews that we have posted over on our YouTube channel and we may drop in some here. You can hear that no one's worried about it. Like every. There must have been a conversation between the front office and Jaden and obviously with Dan Quinn that said, look, we've got a deadline to try to make this negotiation work. And if there's still not enough movement on their end, we will give because we need him that badly. They were way too calm for me. Even when I was messaging with you guys after my trip of like, this is getting done. He was just talking to people around the league who had called Washington interested, you know, showing their interest in Terry, you know, from even weeks ago. It was always the same thing, which is they're not. They're not trading Terry.
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James Palmer
No.
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Diana Rossini
It's just trying to find a number that everyone can be happy with. And obviously this is the one.
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James Palmer
Chase that's kind of big to tell your quarterback going into year two if he's in Those kind of conversations with the front office. That's kind of. It's kind of nice.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah. I mean, I love it. It's j. First of all, it's a Jaden Dino show over there, right? Like, Jaden gets what Jaden wants. And if Jaden wants Scary Terry there for three years, I think it's a smart deal. Like the three year. I know, Diana, you hit on it and we moved on. But what you said was super smart because the three year versus four year, right? You get them possibly back to the market at age 33. Now that's getting up there in age. But like the dude from everything on the film that I'm seeing, he really hasn't slowed down from when he was 27, 28. And he takes really good care of his body. Like. Like he's such a. And this goes. This goes unnoticed a lot. Right? Because we, we are so fixated on the production on the field. And how does he look with Jaden Daniels and how does he look in Cliff Kingsbury's offense for right measure? But the biggest thing for me is, like, what does he mean to that locker room? Like, he is the leader of the offense. Like, him, Zach Ertz, Jaden Daniels, Bobby Wagner, like, those are the four main guys. And then you can imagine like the, the celebration that's going on in Washington commander's locker room right now for Scary Terry because he's been through it all. And just what he means to that locker room, like, I've been a part of those before and it's just like, yeah, you got your deal. Like dinner for the next two years is purely on Scary Terry. Like that is it, guys, it's such.
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James Palmer
A Denver, remember, the three of us are having lunch. Cortland Sutton gets his deal done, right? Diana, Everybody's just high fiving him. It's. It's a cool thing to see. Chase has seen it, Diana. We got a chance to see it.
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Diana Rossini
James, why don't we play a little bit of the Jaden Daniels interview and you can hear the importance of Terry, how he felt about it and really the direction of this offense. With Cliff Kingsbury in their second year together, how do you gauge what this offense is going to be when we know that you've been missing your big piece in Terry McLaurin? Like, how do you actually feel right now, just a few days after, from the start of the year?
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Chase Daniel
I'm excited.
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James Palmer
I think just the continuity that we.
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Chase Daniel
Have on the offense and another year in the system for a lot of guys. So we kind of know the little nuances of things and how close going.
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James Palmer
To cause stuff and like the continuity.
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Chase Daniel
That we have on the offensive side of Boston.
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James Palmer
I'm excited.
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Diana Rossini
Everyone feels optimistic that Terry's coming back. I saw him out on the field. It just. There's a feeling this is going to work out.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
Do you still feel really good that you're going to get your guy?
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James Palmer
Oh, 100%. I feel great. I feel great.
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Diana Rossini
Why do you feel so good about it?
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Chase Daniel
I just know that it's all gonna work out, that both sides will come to agreement and Terry's gonna be back out here. We're gonna be throwing some passes to him.
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James Palmer
Diana, you saw it there. Jayden Daniels not panicked. Just like the way he plays football. Under control, completely in control and completely always calm in the biggest moments. And now he has his guy. And now we see a team that honestly is, you know, we know is all in with the deal with Laramie Tunsil and Marcus Lattimore coming over. And now you get, you know, you get this deal done with with Terry McLaurin, all while you're on this rookie quarterback contract with Jaden Daniels. So this team is. Let's see what they can do after an NFC championship game in year one for Jaden. Now we'll see what they do. And Terry has money in his pocket and Mike is looking for a little more and he hasn't gotten it. Let's get to Micah Parsons, people. As we saw him on a trainer table. Training table, Trainer's table. Not sure.
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Chase Daniel
What do you call it? All the above.
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James Palmer
All the above, yeah. Just kind of catching a couple of Z's or maybe finding his chi eyes closed during that third preseason game. We still are nowhere between the Dallas Cowboys and one of the best players in the NFL. Diana, is there any sort of movement or could we predict any sort of direction this is possibly heading?
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Diana Rossini
Oh, you thought that maybe there'd be some good movement on the contract after Jerry Jones's press tour with everybody, did you think that what they doing?
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James Palmer
Is there a documentary to promote? Yeah, go ahead.
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Diana Rossini
No, no, it hasn't. It is the exact same that we've been talking about for the last few weeks, which is that there has been no conversation about this contract since the conversation, Micah. How With Jerry Jones back in March. Until Jerry Jones wants to speak with Micah Parsons agent, there's not going to be a contract discussion. Now, there have been conversations about, hey, if you guys want to trade them, I'm the agent, let's do this. I will help facilitate this because Micah Parsons has been very clear he does not want to play for the Dallas Cowboys. But the Cowboys refused to have any conversation with David Mulletta. And because of that, this can't go in any direction. This can't move forward. So until Jerry wants to do that, and obviously you've seen all the interviews with Jerry at this point, right? And everyone, bottom line, it's Micah Parsons is under contract, and the Dallas Cowboys hold all the leverage. Unless Micah doesn't want to play.
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Chase Daniel
Let me ask you this. Will. Will Micah play this season without a readjusted contract?
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James Palmer
I think he will.
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Diana Rossini
They have not made that decision yet. So from what I gather, they have not even made any decision if they're going to play or not. Look, if you're saying you don't want to be a Dallas Cowboy, you would think that that's going to be on the table in a strong way of him not playing, don't you think?
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James Palmer
I do want to put it out there, Chase, before you answer, just so everybody listening knows, if he doesn't play this season, his contract tolls and he essentially is back to where he was within his contract heading into the 2026 season.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, 100%. No, that's. That's, That's a great point. I. I just don't. I don't get it. And it's just like.
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James Palmer
It's kind of the best answer I've heard anybody have about this so far. I think it's probably the most normal answer you can have.
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Chase Daniel
We talk about it all the time. And look, the Dallas Cowboys are a content machine. They consistently put out content. They have not consistently put out players and teams together that wins games because it's been at least 30 years since they've reached the NFC Championship Game playoff win. Multiple. Multiple playoff wins. Been forever. I just. This should be like the easiest contract of all time to do. Micah, you're going to get paid 0.5 to $1 million more than the highest paid edge rusher right here. And guess what? In three years from now, it's going to look like a freaking bargain when the salary caps at 400 million. So I know that Jerry wants to do this, and I know Jerry wants to do that, but let's. Like, it's starting to become a little.
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James Palmer
Bit of a joke.
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Chase Daniel
And they've always sort of been a joke, but like their professional sports franchise. And I know people within the Dallas Cowboys, but when you have your star player on preseason laying down on a training table, like, looking dejected doesn't look Interested. First of all, it's not. It's not great leadership at all. Like. Like, go support your young bike.
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Diana Rossini
That was just. Just a quick.
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Chase Daniel
I know what Micah said, but you still did it, Diana. You still did it. Like, that's the thing. Like, I like that. I'm not trying to get on Micah. He can do whatever the heck he wants, but, like, it just doesn't bode well for you who has no leverage right now in the situation. Stand up, be a team, dude. And he has been for all. But, like, of course.
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James Palmer
He is there. Honestly, Chase, you could say that for Micah, because, remember, contract. No, no, no.
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Chase Daniel
He doesn't want to get fined.
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James Palmer
I'll say this, Diana, real quick with what Chase is saying. His fines can be. Remember, with the new cba, Trey Hendrickson, other guys, if he.
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Chase Daniel
They.
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James Palmer
They don't go to camp, their fines cannot be recouped. He's coming off a rookie contract. The fines that the Cowboys fine with can be recouped. If he didn't want to be there, he could not be there. And then they get a deal done, and he gets, obviously, the money back in the fines. I get what you're saying. It seems like he actually, though, has been a bit of the. A bigger person in this. I don't know.
- [28:54]
Diana Rossini
Yeah, I would say they've stayed pretty quiet considering, Right?
- [28:57]
James Palmer
Very much so.
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Diana Rossini
His agent hasn't. We haven't seen any interviews yet. Right. We haven't seen them go on the record to talk about what this negotiation has been like. We've just saw Micah's statement when he asked for a trade on August 1st of just, hey, I don't want to be here anymore, but I just feel like the way the Dallas Cowboys are treating him feels like he did something right. Like, it's like he was in jail or. Or did something that caused him to be suspended. Right. When that's not the case at all. This is just a very hard stand they're taking, and I don't want to play.
- [29:37]
Chase Daniel
Why are they taking such a hard stand?
- [29:42]
Diana Rossini
I think Jerry wants to win this. I think he sees this as a business move that he has the leverage in.
- [29:49]
Chase Daniel
Okay. If Jerry wanted to win it, Diana, you could have got the second. The season was over last. Last. Last season. You. You are eligible to re up after your third year. You could have literally done it the day after the season and save $6 million a season over five years. That's $30 million. If you want to win that, do it then make him the highest paid. That. That's that's why I don't think it's a one to win game because he's losing money by the side. Second, like I don't get in my.
- [30:18]
James Palmer
Well, they're attention machine.
- [30:21]
Chase Daniel
These are the things that I think matter.
- [30:23]
James Palmer
Honestly, Chase, I think you're right. And, and what. What you're saying goes against the history of the Cowboys. Though they waited on Dak, it cost him more money. They waited on cd, it cost more money. They waited on Zeke, they waited on Zach Martin. The list goes on and on. And oftentimes what do they do? We're going to offer you something very team friendly very early on and if you don't take that one, we're probably not going to talk to you for an extended period of time. That's the way things have gone in Dallas for a number of years. Why can Jerry do that? Because he's a billionaire and he's also the general manager. I think that's the other part in this negotiation that hasn't been talked about enough, which is the owner is doing the negotiation as the general manager. Every other general manager in football. Right. Chase would be fearful of losing their job if you botch a contract like this. They would be fearful of losing their job and they be fearful of what the owner thinks of how they're conducting business as the general manager. The reason this is different is Jerry is both. So he doesn't really have to handle the negotiation the way most general managers in the league would. When you look at the two teams that have oftentimes tried to negotiate with players behind agents backs, it's been the Patriots and it's been the Cowboys. The two teams that really have a different setup over the years when Bill Belichick was also operating as kind of the czar as well as the head coach. Those two kind of operated outside the lines. I think that's why this one is just Diana kind of different because of the structure of the way everything is. And the last part is Jerry thinks he's right. I think we all think he's wrong and Jerry thinks he's right. That this was an agreement back in March.
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Diana Rossini
Even the comment about in the negotiation, there's not three people in the room, there's two. Even that confused me because it shouldn't be you and the player, it should be you and the agent. Right. It should be two. You just. He just has the wrong two.
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James Palmer
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
Okay. So when we started season two of Scoop City, this was one of the first topics we discussed as this new team here and If I recall, we all had the same tone, which was, this is Dallas. This is what they do. He's gonna open his wallet. This deal's gonna get done. Mike is going to be Dallas Cowboy. And look, Jerry Jones told Stephen A. In that interview that Mike is going to be Dallas Cowboy, like, for the next three years, essentially, because they have that power. How do you guys actually feel about this? Not intel. Just how do you feel?
- [32:50]
James Palmer
Like, I don't know, feel about what?
- [32:54]
Diana Rossini
Do you think Mike is going to be there in Philadelphia?
- [32:56]
Chase Daniel
Yes. Wait, what?
- [32:58]
James Palmer
Oh.
- [32:58]
Chase Daniel
Oh, you're saying. I was like, are you trading them.
- [33:04]
James Palmer
Side door?
- [33:04]
Chase Daniel
Oh, my God. That would be amazing. I wouldn't put it past Howie. Do I think he'll be on the field in Philadelphia? Probably, yeah.
- [33:13]
Diana Rossini
All right, well, our team behind the scenes, I want you guys to keep track. Chase said yes.
- [33:20]
Chase Daniel
James, why are you asking like this?
- [33:22]
James Palmer
See, now I'm thinking about this.
- [33:23]
Diana Rossini
Answer it. But I'm curious because if I say people think I'm reporting it, I'm just curious what you guys think from just knowing as much as you know and having good opinions.
- [33:32]
Chase Daniel
He's under contract.
- [33:34]
James Palmer
It's still $24 million this year. I still think that's a lot of money. I do know also when he had the option during COVID to sit out in college, he sat out and he was comfortable doing it. That's kind of in the back of my mind, but I feel like he would have more leverage, Diana, if he decided to do this next year because he could play this year for the 24, then they could tag him.
- [34:00]
Chase Daniel
Right.
- [34:01]
James Palmer
And then he could just refuse to.
- [34:02]
Chase Daniel
Sign the tag, and then he could tag him again.
- [34:05]
James Palmer
No, but if he. No, I'm saying. But then he can sit out with no penalty. That's my point. No, no, my point is if he was going to sit out, there's a greater chance, in my opinion, of him sitting out the 2026 season than 2025. Because if he's tagged after this season, he makes his 24. If he doesn't sign the tag, he's not under contract, so he can't be fined. He can't be losing game checks. Essentially, he would lose what he was scheduled to make on the tag, but he wouldn't. He wouldn't lose anymore.
- [34:33]
Chase Daniel
2026 would be his fifth season on the fifth year option, and then you can have them for two more years with it. I get what you're saying.
- [34:38]
Diana Rossini
Not that I want to fall down the PR Hole here of. Okay, well, they did this Move, and now they'll do this move. But they've been pretty aggressive with Micah saying he doesn't want to be a Dallas Cowboy yet. We don't know if he's going to play or not. You know, like, don't you think if they really were all out, they'd say, right now we're not playing week. Let it, like, put it out there. I just think that.
- [35:02]
Chase Daniel
I mean, like, for everything that I think he loves football. I mean, the tangent that I went on, he loves football, and he's a really good player, and he wants to play the game. But there's a business aspect of it that, man, you got to get. You got to get your money.
- [35:15]
James Palmer
Before we wrap this up, Diana, I think Jace is right, but what's the perception. I think you can say this. What's the perception around the league from other teams in terms of a possible trade? Do they realistically believe that he's available via trade right now? Because every team should be interested. But do teams really think he. He's going to be traded?
- [35:36]
Diana Rossini
I think teams around the league are waiting for Dallas to have a serious conversation with Jerry, that they have to have a conversation, a conversation and a discussion about what a trade would look like. Like, I don't think it's gotten to the point where teams are calling Dallas going, all right, here's what's on the table. Here's what we could do. Because Jerry hasn't made a decision on what he would want a trade package to look like because he hasn't been able to get his brain wrapped around the idea that he would do that, because he's not doing that in his mind. So until the Cowboys and think about. If you're in that front office and you're thinking about the future of this team and you're maybe even foreshadowing what you just talked about next season, you may be open or maybe even be your job to think like that. Right? To go, okay, well, if we do trade him, here's what we could get, and maybe this could be good for us. But from what I can gather, that conversation hasn't been very realistic yet. That has not happened.
- [36:41]
James Palmer
Okay, I get it. But also, I could look at it.
- [36:43]
Diana Rossini
Okay, but what is it do we want to do? What does a trade package look like?
- [36:46]
James Palmer
Well, I think it'd be. Yeah, I think. I mean, we're going to go to break here, but I think it'd be similar to the Cleo Mack deal. But I'm just curious. You're going to get draft picks. You're going to get two first round picks. Essentially you're going to rebuild. Does Jerry want to rebuild at 82 years old? I don't know. We'll see. Coming up on Scoop City, we're going to get into the quarterbacks because we have Chase here on a Monday. Why wouldn't we talk Jackson Dart? And it's going to kind of been his darling along with Jarrett Stidham throughout all of preseason as well as Shador Sanders in that Browns quarterback room. What's happening there? We'll break it all down next.
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Chase Daniel
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- [38:23]
James Palmer
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- [38:38]
Chase Daniel
Now we're both dry heaving at the stench.
- [38:40]
James Palmer
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- [38:55]
Chase Daniel
All right.
- [38:56]
James Palmer
Welcome back to Scoop City. The Cleveland Browns have released a quarterback, Snoop Huntley. Yes. They still have four other quarterbacks, some five, I guess, if you count to Sean Watson still. But they are landing. It's it seems to go into this season with four quarterbacks. That's Joe Flacco, that's Kenny Pickett, Shador Sanders, Dylan Gabriel, all of them hanging out. Now there have been some narratives that have surrounded this quarterback battle.
- [39:17]
Chase Daniel
Sabotage.
- [39:18]
James Palmer
Yes, sabotage. It was brought up by Mary Kay Cabot that covers this team on a daily basis. Brilliantly. She asked it to Kevin Stefanski after the third preseason game. Here it is.
- [39:28]
Diana Rossini
Can you address this sort of persistent narrative that that you're Trying to sabotage Shador Sanders, especially after, you know, after yesterday and not putting him in for the two minute.
- [39:43]
Chase Daniel
Yeah, obviously I don't, I don't concern myself with outside type of things, but you know, I'm committed to his development just like all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on getting our guys better and that's what we'll stay committed to and that's what's important to me.
- [40:07]
James Palmer
If you gave Kevin Stefanski truth serum, what exactly would he say, Chase, to the question?
- [40:14]
Chase Daniel
Well, first of all, I thought he handled it pretty nice during the question, but like, you could tell he was pissed that that question was asked, first of all, but kept his calm, kept his cool. Two time coach of the year, you got to be able to do everything. And then gave a big, beautiful answer. I thought it was, it was great. And that's how head coaches should answer it. Now, does he feel that way? I don't know. I don't know. He's a four string quarterback. Where is he at on the roster in terms of development? Man, we're trying to win games, we're trying not to get fired. Right. The one thing that I hate more than anything, and I need to take a deep breath before I get into this, I like this setup. Yeah, yeah. Well, like, look, we're all football players. When I say we like, I'm talking about the actual players out there, whether It's a team one through 53, one through 90, whatever it is. And we all get certain opportunities that a lot of other people don't get. And you get to play a game for a living, professionally. I don't care if you played in one snap of a preseason game. I don't care if you're Drew Brees and you're all pro and Peyton Manning, all those guys, you get a really cool special opportunity to play. And when you do play and when you do put film out there, it should not matter and it does not matter who you play with. I don't care if you're playing with eight string offensive lineman who has gotten cut 50 times. I don't care if you're playing with the best left tackle in all the world. Your job specifically as a quarterback is to go out there and make the best of the opportunity that you have. And I say this, and I preface this because a lot of people, and I'm sure we'll get into it, are saying, oh, you know, the Browns, they did this to Shador. They put them in a bad situation. They did. You know how Many four string quarterbacks are in bad situations time in and time again. I've been in those situations. I've been the fourth string quarterback, I've been the third string quarterback. And look, Shador didn't have his best game. So what? Why are we overreacting to something that was 20 plays long? Did I like his attitude on the sideline when he got pulled? No.
- [42:30]
James Palmer
What do you mean?
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Chase Daniel
But like, you know, when, when the two minute drill was happening. Right. And of course as a competitor you want to be out there, you want to be leading and it's a way to be like, hey, let me get into rhythm. But Stefanski put, you know, Snoop in and Stevie put Snoop in because he knew he was getting cut.
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James Palmer
There it is.
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Chase Daniel
You knew. We knew that you were not keeping five. We want to give Snoop Huntley the best chance to put some film out there. And what did he do? He went on a game winning drive. This has nothing to do with you. And I think a more mature quarterback would understand that. Now he's a rookie. Right. I'm not trying to say you should, but that is the whole situation. But I, but I can't stand, and I'm going to let you guys speak, I just can't stand the narrative a little bit of like, hey, you know, they played him. Everyone plays behind bad offensive linemen. You have to understand that in some of these third preseason games. Yes. You're not playing with guys on the roster as a quarterback. Get rid of the ball quicker. Like, like just, just know I could be able to tell within the first six plays. Oh man, it's one of these games. I got my first read and I need to throw it away. I got this and I'm going to try to make something happen and Shador is going to learn. But let's just stop overreacting. Like Shador is not going to be the starter right now. And he didn't play a great game. He played a great game of the first game.
- [43:53]
James Palmer
Right.
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Chase Daniel
And he was hurt the second game. So it's one or the other. So it's just an interesting situation that the Browns have to face because now you have your four string quarterback taking up all the headlines on your team when all you're trying to do is.
- [44:06]
Diana Rossini
Win your fourth string quarterback and your fifth round pick. So I don't think the Browns are treating him any different than they would if it was any other 5th round pick. Right. I think that's where we're forgetting because I do think there was so much hype and Excitement even after his first game that he played and even through the draft that, you know, guys, we were talking on the show at some point that maybe the Giants were going to pick him in the first round. Right. So I think a lot of people have a thought in their mind that he may be further along and better at the position than he just currently is.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
And so you mix that with the way a professional football team handles the fourth string quarterback, it then creates this problem that we have right now which is people think that Kevin Stefanski and the Browns organization are holding him back. The Browns are the ones who drafted Shador after we found.
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Chase Daniel
Yes. Who gave him a chance.
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Diana Rossini
Nobody wanted to do it. Right. You had the Pittsburgh Steelers, they had every opportunity. This is Mike Tomlin.
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James Palmer
32 teams had every opportunity. Mike Tallinn, who four times over wants.
- [45:20]
Chase Daniel
To win this year.
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Diana Rossini
Right. This is, this is, you know, pre Aaron Rodgers, all that stuff. Either way, he met with Shador and didn't draft him, Right? Yeah, the Cleveland Browns did. So I think we've got to give Kevin Stefanski an opportunity to try to help develop and get the best version of Shador here.
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Chase Daniel
Can I ask you a question?
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Diana Rossini
Yeah.
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Chase Daniel
Before James jumps in. So as a four string quarterback, first of all I, I didn't do my research, but I'm almost certain that you can count on one hand the last five or six years how many teams have kept four quarterbacks the entire year. Most teams I would say it's half and half. Keep two on active roster. Right. A reach to me is three, four seems. I don't know, Diana. Really highly unlikely the whole year. Yes, you might through the first few weeks. But. But what happens when there's injuries to your offensive line and you only have seven offensive linemen? Well, somebody's getting the first person to go. I'm just the first person to go. Once it's like you are 53 if you're 4, you are the first person to go as soon as there's an injury and we need to sign someone else. How is this whole situation going to play out?
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, the plan is to keep four. That, that is what they want to do. Now look, do I think the phone lines are open? I'm sure.
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Chase Daniel
For who?
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Diana Rossini
For the Browns. They're not going to not take calls but they are planning on starting the season with four. They've been really consist with that throughout, throughout camp. But, but I think to your point, I do think it changes as we get into the season. Right. And we see how, how this shakes out. But I I, I have a hard time believing that they're gonna, you know, do an about face year before week one.
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James Palmer
Yeah, I, I, I, this is, this is fascinating. I think I said on a show last week where, where it's kind of like the Browns did this to themselves. They've put themselves in this situation, is Kevin Stevanski having to deal with a boatload of, as he put it in the clip, outside noise than probably any other head coach has had to deal with with a fourth string quarterback. Yes. I learned for the first time, guys, and this weekend that the head coaches call good plays for one quarterback and they call bad plays for another quarterback, which was cool to learn because I'm always growing in terms of what I learned about this league. I think with the four quarterbacks. Diana. Part of it hinges on the development of Dylan Gabriel because I think he's pretty close to being able to be at backup quarterback and chase. That's where I want your opinion on where he's at, because from what my understanding is, he's understanding the speed of the NFL probably better than Shador is right now in terms of how he goes through it and the speed of what's the defense plays and the speed in which he has to go through his progression. Where does his development play into keeping these four quarterbacks where they're at? I think is a linchpin to it, because I think early in camp, my understanding was they'd like to see Dylan Gabriel make some meaningful throws this season.
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Chase Daniel
Diana, jump in, because you were going to say something.
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Diana Rossini
I was actually just going to say. Well, I think everyone is hinting at the same thing, which is they're trying to figure out who the backup quarterback's going to be. Right. Kenny Pickett is still coming off injury here, so it's going to come down to probably Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders. And I think it's pretty clear that it's going to be Dylan Gabriel at this point based on what we've seen. Oh. And based on how they are listed on the depth chart. So I don't care to say. And you, do you think based on what you saw, Shador Sanders deserves to be the backup quarterback to Joe Flagger.
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Chase Daniel
Dylan Gabriel should be the backup quarterback if it's Dylan Gabriel, Kenny Pickett, just, just purely based on the games that they've played. Like when I watch Dylan. Right. Like the first game. And this is. Guys, they're rookies. It's very hard to play quarterback in the NFL. You're going to make mistakes. Pick six. Not Great by Dylan Gabriel. That wasn't a great decision. Right. We talked about it, right? Dirt it. The fumbled handoff wasn't great. Right between him and the running back. It's preseason. Make those mistakes. But when you watch Dylan Gabriel and you watch the processing and you watch the how quick the football comes out and goes to the right read like he threw a cell route, a corner route which is like, like we call it Flutie and the old New Orleans Saints. It's a post by the outside guy in a corner by the inside guy. He layered this throw, like going to his left, like right over the flat defender, jumping up before the corner, falling off on the post. And Shore has some great throws too, but like that made me go like, oh, okay. And I just feel like to your point, James, he is playing a little bit faster. He's seeing things a little bit. And that's something you're going to get with Dylan, I think. And that's something that I really liked him at Oregon. The ball's coming out quickly. First progression, second progression, that's about it. Now he can make some plays outside the pocket. I think Shador really showed in this first game. Hey, if stuff's breaking down, not there, I can move. But I really like how Dillon for the most part has protected the football and has made really good throws. I mean the two minute drive this last game in the first half, that should tell you all you need to know if you're Kevin Stefanski. Like that's probably the hardest thing to do as a quarterback is to lead a two minute drill when you need points at the end of the half or the end of the game because there's a lot of pressure on you. You're playing fast, you're just reacting. And Dylan looked really good.
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Diana Rossini
So James, you didn't know this, but when Scoop City started, Tom Brady was begging to be my co host and I was like, I don't want someone that has all these super bowl rings and all this experience and a future hall of Famer. I need someone who's been in the room, someone who's been a fourth stringer. I want the Juice in the back. Tell us a story, Chase. But the thing is like I'm listening to you and it just makes so much sense and it's great to just put it through the prism of what it is like for a rookie quarterback when it looks so easy for us sitting on our couches, taking in a preseason action.
- [51:26]
James Palmer
I, I, I don't think Tom would have been a Chase. Daniel in Scoop City, But I don't know. I don't think.
- [51:32]
Chase Daniel
Well, you got, you got, you got. KOC won my job, and now Tom Brady. Man, I got lucky.
- [51:38]
Diana Rossini
I feel like I have to clarify. I'll probably get aggregated. Rossini turns down Tom Brady.
- [51:44]
Chase Daniel
But I do think.
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James Palmer
And. And it's funny, Dinah, you bring that up because that's. That plays a part in this, right? Why you're keeping four quarterbacks the last thing teams want. We talked about this with Anthony Richardson, who's picked at the top of the draft, or Shador Sanders, who's picked in the fifth round. You don't want a guy to leave your building and then go find success somewhere else in the most important position in all of sports. So there is a thought of how can he develop and how can he grow. But Chase, you mentioned being that fourth string. You've mentioned being that third string. You know what it's like in the quarterback room. Almost every head coach, I would think, and tell me if there's one that's different to a table, likes their backups to blend in with the rest of the locker room. They don't do interviews unless they're taking over the starting job for that week because your starter's injured, or maybe they filled in on the back end because your starter went down. And then you're talking to them post game in the locker room. You don't hear from them. You don't see them. What you see them do is dominate Monday through Saturday in the meeting room and on the practice field in terms of helping the starter get ready and helping the rest of the team get ready. However you want to slice the celebrityism of Shador Sanders, that doesn't. I mean, whether you like it or not, fit the mold of a backup quarterback in the NFL.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah. Yeah. And I think. I think that's probably why, like, once he got past round three or four teams, you're like, all right, now he's in backup territory. Like, do we want to back up with. And it's not. It's not Shore's fault, like, the celebrity status and the cult following. It's just that he has.
- [53:10]
Diana Rossini
Remember, with T was like, they'll know about that.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, no doubt. And I think. I think it's a backup to James. You. You have to have, like. You have to have a servant heart a little bit. And not saying Shador doesn't. Because Shador, at least in the industry, the nature of all the right things, it's just really the nature of the position for any quarterback. And we're just talking about everyone here. It's like you are serving the starter, you are serving the. The quarterback coach, you are serving the offensive coordinator. Offensive head coaches, you are serving, like, everything. And you're sort of the conduit and the trust factor between the starting quarterback, who doesn't want to talk to literally anyone and everyone else. So, like, I remember, like, with Breeze or Herbert, like, he's like, everyone would come to me because, like, they know I'm tight with them because that's how any starting quarterback and backup quarterback is to be. Like, hey, yeah. Basically airy. Yes. And like, hey, do you want to say. Say what you want, but you had to, like, be the filter. Does that make sense?
- [54:12]
James Palmer
Like, yes.
- [54:12]
Chase Daniel
First of all, if the head trainer comes to me and says to say something, Justin Herbert, like, respectfully, like, I'm not gonna say it. Like, no head coach might come to me. Okay. Offense coordinator. Hey, maybe, yeah. You know, you have to be the filter of the information. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes, but, yeah, you just probably. I mean, at least when I was playing, no one really cared. I didn't get a lot of interviews, that's for sure.
- [54:33]
Diana Rossini
I remember requesting one with the Bears for you, and they turned it down.
- [54:36]
Chase Daniel
I didn't do it. Probably didn't do it.
- [54:37]
James Palmer
Turned it down.
- [54:38]
Diana Rossini
They did. I just remember being in the locker room and I was like, everyone loves this guy. I want to talk to him. And the. The PR there was like, favor babes. Yeah. So we could have been friends earlier in our life, but they kept us. They kept us apart.
- [54:54]
Chase Daniel
Chase, Scoop city, man.
- [54:56]
James Palmer
Look where we are now. Sorry, Tom. Onto another rookie quarterback in Jackson. Dart. Chase, you have loved breaking down this film throughout three preseason games. And we just kind of want your take first. And then Diana will get into the nuts and bolts of what the Giants really think and feel and how we'll go about this year. But I do want to know what your thought is of a guy who goes 32 of 47 with three touchdowns, I believe. No picks right. In three games. Where is he at right now in rookie quarterback development is probably the best way to ask this.
- [55:32]
Chase Daniel
Yeah. And one rushing touchdown. So four total touchdowns in three games. Thought he played really well. Like, this is a decision the Giants have to make. If I'm the Giants, I'm probably not starting him right away. I'm probably rolling with Russell for a little bit because we've got talked about the schedule gauntlet. But this dude. This dude could come out and Be the starter week one. And I would feel really good about where he's at in his development. You have to get experience by actually playing real football games. You can't get experience by practicing experience in the preseason game. Sure it's nice, but it ain't the real thing. When there's 75,000 screaming fans and you're at the Commander Stadium or maybe night 90, whatever it is, and you were facing a third down and you just threw an interception and you got to go back out there and coach calls all go the very next play of the next series and you're scared to pull the trigger because you don't know what to expect. No. Like you have to be able to do that. And when I watch him play like the first preseason game to the third preseason game, I've seen extreme growth in him. Not only on where to go with the football post snap, but also his pre snap mechanics, how much calmer he's been at the line handling certain situations, handling two minute drives and day ball threw a lot at him. Right. Turning the headset off on him. Like all this stuff. Stuff. It was different tests and I would say he's passing with an A plus. Like you can't tell me you watch Jackson darts film right now and I don't care if it's the preseason and tell me this dude cannot not start week one. Now they have Russell, they paid him some money. I would not be surprised if they go to him sooner rather than later if they're not winning.
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Diana Rossini
We also have Jameis Winston on the roster.
- [57:18]
Chase Daniel
Eat The W. The Three Amigos, by the way.
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Diana Rossini
How fun.
- [57:21]
Chase Daniel
Tommy DeVito.
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Diana Rossini
How about Assistant Journal manager Brandon Brown though? When he was asked recently about Jameis, he came out. He came out pretty strong on it. He said, I appreciate that people are interested, but Jameis is a New York Giant. He made it very intentional. The fact that I find that interesting, wants a good room, right. And for the long haul. Because then the thought process for the Giants is perhaps maybe if James is the backup for next year for Dart. Right. But look, this is the time of year where all phone lines are ringing, right? And everyone's snooping around to see who's available. I'm interested to see what the Giants do though. I'm interested in. Yeah, if they're really locked in on keeping all of them. If you're telling me if the Saints don't call, imagine James going back there. You know, like the Raiders right now could use a veteran quarterback, you know.
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Chase Daniel
But I don't think Jamis would want to go back up to backup, right? Like, if he's going somewhere, I mean, I guess he doesn't really have the choice, but if he's going somewhere, he'd want to be like, really? The Saints is the only thing I could. Right.
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Diana Rossini
I just want to know how that man can find a lens. I mean, he can find the camera faster than anyone I've ever met.
- [58:32]
Chase Daniel
He's going to have a great broadcasting career when he's done.
- [58:36]
Diana Rossini
He is an exhausting human being, and I say that in the best regard.
- [58:41]
James Palmer
I think he should be the first guy that molds the two together. I think he should be a broadcaster while still an active player on the sideline. Find a way to get Jameis commentary while he's still on the Giants. Diana, do you think there's a way? Because in my head, I'm looking at it going, if they do make a decision at some point, which my understanding is the leash is probably shorter on Russell Wilson than it was before training camp started, I think that's probably a pretty fair assessment. If they end up making a switch at some point to Jackson Dart, does Jameis have the operation as the one who's helping Jackson when he slides into the starter role?
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Diana Rossini
You're not gonna like this demoted Chase. I sent some of your stuff to people with the Giants just to get their vibe on some of the stuff we're talking about.
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Chase Daniel
What stuff?
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Diana Rossini
Just all your Jackson Dart stuff. Oh, they love it, by the way. Just good stuff. Your breakdowns are popular in quarterback rooms.
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James Palmer
Hey, look at you, still in the quarterback room.
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Diana Rossini
Always.
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James Palmer
Virtually now, once just virtually now, here's.
- [59:50]
Diana Rossini
Here's what I can tell you, and I'm not trying to.
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Chase Daniel
So what are they saying?
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Diana Rossini
I'm not pouring water on it. I'm just telling you what I get told. It's just a preseason. Yes. Can he handle the moment? Are they surprised by it? No, but they've been impressed by it. So I. I don't think this is Jackson.
- [60:12]
Chase Daniel
Oh, that's a good way to put it. Surprised by it? No. Impressed by it? Yes. Oh, I like that.
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Diana Rossini
So I think you're onto something, and I do think there's potential. I just think this is Russell Wilson's job and they're going to try to play this out as long as possible as they continue to.
- [60:32]
Chase Daniel
Do you think, quite possibly, Diana, that these people could be saying that? Because if you look at their first eight games, there are six playoff teams and they have the. The toughest schedule in the entire NFL.
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Diana Rossini
I think that everyone always tells me the truth. So, no.
- [60:54]
Chase Daniel
If you're listening, you're so gullible sometimes.
- [60:57]
Diana Rossini
If you're listening to this and you're out watching, I am obviously kidding because everybody lies all the damn time in this league. Yeah, but, yeah, like, look, you guys know I live in this area. Like, the, the vibe around the Giants is so good considering where we were five months ago. Right.
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Chase Daniel
Just I saw something that they scored 107 points in preseason and last in three games. And then last year they scored 257 in 17 games. I'm like, oh, that's nice.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, there's definitely. I'm feeling way more optimism about the New York Giants here in the New York area than the New York Jets. But, you know, we, we will see. So I think, really, to get to your. I know what you're trying to find out. You're. You're, you're straight up saying, like, are we seeing Jackson Dart by Halloween? Is what.
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James Palmer
You want to know what I think the situation in this is?
- [61:43]
Chase Daniel
Put money on it, dude.
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James Palmer
But just if we. This is the second bet Halloween.
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Diana Rossini
Okay. So. So far.
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Chase Daniel
Sorry, James. Sorry.
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James Palmer
No, it's okay.
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Diana Rossini
Residents just keep track for us. Chase says Micah Parsons is in a Dallas Cowboy uniform in Philadelphia on Thursday Night Football. And Jackson Dart is in a New York Giants uniform starting for the Big Blue by Halloween.
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James Palmer
That's.
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Chase Daniel
What week is that? That's like week nine.
- [62:09]
Diana Rossini
No, this is not bad. I'm loving these. I just.
- [62:12]
James Palmer
No, I think it's good. What I'm thinking is, if Jackson Dart is playing Chase, what does that mean for the season? What does that mean where the Giants are at that point in the season?
- [62:25]
Chase Daniel
Right.
- [62:25]
James Palmer
Because if they're winning games, they're going to keep playing Russell Wilson.
- [62:28]
Chase Daniel
No doubt.
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James Palmer
Right. And if that's the way it continues. But I also think, Diana, I do think everybody tells you the truth, but I'm also looking at what has transpired throughout the course of camp, which is. And Chase, again, Diana and I, I don't know if you know this, have not gone through an NFL training camp. So we're gonna kind of bow to you on this and go, do you, in the second preseason game, just throw Jackson Dart in just for a rep without telling him. If you're not preparing him and have the mindset that he can possibly play games for you this season. If you're going. I want to test that situation. If you're going to turn the headset off even in training camp practices, my opinion and tell me if I'm right or wrong. You don't do that unless you're trying to prepare him for game situations. And he has already picked up enough that you can get to this level of trial with him in a training camp practice. Because if he wasn't, you know, up to snuff on everything, you wouldn't even waste your time doing it. So to me, all these things, check a variety of boxes that Dable's trying to check going. I just want to make sure he can do all of these things because I'm seeing some things that show me he's ready to hit the field in his rookie season. If our season goes that way.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, I love that GM say this morning to me, that's not New York. Jackson Dart should start Week one.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah. Come on now.
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James Palmer
It's a GM in the, in the NFC East.
- [63:55]
Chase Daniel
Yeah. I'm going to go back to what?
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James Palmer
Scared of the Giants because they're scared of them after.
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Diana Rossini
After how he traded 40 people last night.
- [64:04]
Chase Daniel
Yeah.
- [64:04]
Diana Rossini
He gave me a call. I was like, you know what the Giants should do? They should start Jackson Dart.
- [64:09]
James Palmer
Let me just run another team.
- [64:10]
Chase Daniel
I think that's smart. And I'm going to go back to what Diana said about what the Giants are saying. Surprise? No. Impressed? Yes. Okay, so you're not surprised. So you draft him because you knew what he was going to do. Impressed already? Yes. And I, and I do think everything that a team, not just the Giants, everything that a team does that drafts a rookie quarterback in the first round, usually they play by week three, the last five years, that's like the average time Week three is like they're starting you constantly and continually test him. There's different test points, right. Like training camp, OTAs, preseason practice, all sorts of stuff. And he's passed those with flying colors. And I think that if the season to go back to what you asked earlier the season, if they're playing Jackson Dart, it probably hasn't gone the right way. But I do think that, and I've said this before, and I said this literally the day after he got drafted to the Giants. The way for Brian Dabel to keep his job in a losing season is to show some hope and growth with Jackson Dart and what this team could be because the defensively they're going to be. They're going to be really good. Like, they're going to be good, good. Like, I really do think that now offensively, like Malik Neighbors like, to me, like, legit. Can you have a guy like Jackson Dart if he plays the last Six to seven games of the year and they go five and two or four and three down the stretch. Like that's hope. You could sell hope to an owner and you can sell a plan to an owner where if you play Russell the whole year and you win nine games, you don't make the playoffs. Like, is he going to be. I don't know. Like, I don't know.
- [65:45]
James Palmer
You know, it's going to be a big decision on Brian Dabo. And let's speaking of him, we've talked about all these different things that, you know, the Giants are putting Jackson dart through. Here's the big man himself talking about what he's doing with his rookie quarterback. Hey, Ryan, just wonder what was going on with the communications with Jackson on the first drive.
- [66:02]
Chase Daniel
Seemed like he couldn't hear the play calls maybe. Yeah, I mean, we got to play into him. That was the 60 yarder we yelled from the sideline. So he did a nice job of handling that and you know, turned a play in that, you know, probably wasn't even on the opening part of the script.
- [66:22]
James Palmer
Not probably wasn't on the opening part.
- [66:24]
Chase Daniel
Of the script and adjusting and making a good play. He's gonna yell from the sideline what play to run.
- [66:32]
James Palmer
Like from the wristband.
- [66:34]
Chase Daniel
Yeah. Yelled a word to him. Yep.
- [66:38]
Diana Rossini
Chasers are right. He's dying to smile. And he's like, if I smile, the New York back page tomorrow is going to be bright light, big city, Jackson dart. Dable nails it like, whatever. Gosh, don't ever let me write a headline.
- [66:54]
Chase Daniel
But that's a great headline.
- [66:56]
James Palmer
You're like Michael Scott, like a 98 word headline on a newspaper.
- [67:01]
Diana Rossini
There's a Walgreens right next to where I work out and I will just walk in there to just pick up the back of the post just to see what the headline is. I love it. They're so good, those headliners.
- [67:10]
Chase Daniel
You're so New York.
- [67:11]
Diana Rossini
Sorry. You hate New York. Look, I think New York to wrap it up, I think there's reason to be optimistic and enthusiastic. It's just going to be a matter of when. I wrote down those. That key date for us. We will be circling back around Halloween. Can't wait.
- [67:28]
James Palmer
Maybe the starting quarterback of the New York Football Giants will be dressed as Jackson Dart.
- [67:34]
Diana Rossini
James, what will the headline be?
- [67:36]
James Palmer
Oh, oh, what are we gonna say?
- [67:41]
Diana Rossini
I'll say bullseye. Dart. Bullseye.
- [67:44]
James Palmer
It's too easy. They're more creative than that, aren't they?
- [67:47]
Diana Rossini
Nope.
- [67:48]
James Palmer
I'm gonna give you one after the break. Coming right back at you.
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James Palmer
Welcome back to Scoop City. James Palmer Diana calls me the mayor I'm still not comfortable with that yet. Chase Daniel. Diana Rossini, Senior NFL Insider for the Athletic. All of us here, full house on a Monday. We wanted to wrap up kind of our summer as training camp is over and just kind of talk real quick about how our summers went and how everything went before our lives come to a crashing halt with the start of the NFL season. Chase, you just ran, and we saw some. I mean, I didn't like that you made it public. I'm just gonna say this. I feel very privileged on a group text when I get to see all of your numbers on your 5K, and I go, wow, man, this is great, man. Like, I'm really getting, like, in. I'm getting, like, you know, Chase, trust me, there's no way I would tell anybody these numbers that Chase had on his 5K, and then I see them up on social media, and I go, okay, not that special anymore. We're proud of you here, man. Let's hear about this 5k that we decided to do like, that you decided to just, like, run for fun, which is fascinating.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, I know. It was literally, like, we went to a lake, and it was my son and daughter riding around, and my daughter, like, my wife made a. A sign to put on front of my daughter's bike. Let's go, dad. Run fast. So it wasn't like, anything, like, crazy, but it was so cute when I saw that. And I don't know. I've always. I've always hated running. Like, I. I sort of still do, but I've understood, like. Like, I really like the way it makes me feel after. So. Long story short, though, after playing, this will be my third full year not playing, and I hadn't. I don't want to say let myself go, but I hadn't really worked out a bunch, like, and been on a program because for 25 years of my life, it was just like, here's structure, here's this, here's that, here's that. And I would like, you know, find 30 minutes here, 30 minutes there. And it was more so.
- [72:06]
Diana Rossini
The.
- [72:07]
Chase Daniel
The discipline of it. I was just like, I don't want to be disciplined. And all of a sudden, like, 10 weeks ago, we were in Estes Park, Colorado, and on vacation, and I was like, you know what? Like, it is beautiful. Stanley Hotel. Excellent. Spooky. Spooky.
- [72:23]
James Palmer
What movie was shot there? Chase, what movie was shot at the Stanley Hotel?
- [72:27]
Chase Daniel
The Shining, right?
- [72:29]
James Palmer
No, he wrote the Shining while he was there. Do you know what movie was shot at the Stanley Hotel? In Estes Park.
- [72:33]
Chase Daniel
Wait, I do, but I'm forgetting.
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James Palmer
I'm gonna give you the scene. Okay, hold on. I took drama in high school. Here we go.
- [72:40]
Chase Daniel
Here we go.
- [72:40]
Diana Rossini
Actor.
- [72:41]
James Palmer
The actor is leaving the bar area. He stops. He double takes. No way.
- [72:50]
Diana Rossini
We landed on the moon. We landed on the moon.
- [72:54]
Chase Daniel
Yes.
- [72:54]
James Palmer
Dumb and dumber. That's actually true. Shot at the Stanley Hotel. I've taken my picture next to that.
- [73:01]
Chase Daniel
They told a. Everyone thought it was Aspen, but they told us. They're like, oh, actually, dumb, Dumber. I forgot about that. Yeah. Anyway, we're there and on vacation. And I was, yeah, insane. I was just like, hey, you know what? I want to do something, like to get to push myself. So I was like, hey, all right, let's just look up some stuff. There's literally a program called couch to 5k and it's a 10 week program. It's literally called couch to 5k. It's like super. I didn't realize it was so popular. And now that I post about it, everyone's like, oh, I heard it. And literally it's like, you're running Monday, Wednesday, Friday, lifting Tuesday, Thursday. And it's a 10 week program. So for me to like actually follow through and not miss a day of the runs, like three days a week. The first day was like, run 30 seconds, walk two minutes 10 times, run 30 seconds, walk two. And it would like eventually like work its way up. Like run three minutes, walk three minutes. Like each week had increments. And this last two weeks it was like, run 25 minutes, run 25 minutes, run 25 Minutes, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Then the last. This whole week I ran four times actually on I smoked. It was like, run 30 minutes on Monday, run 30 minutes on Wednesday, run 30 minutes on Friday, run a 5K on Sunday. So I'm like, well, I need somewhere flat. And I've been doing all this on my peloton. So I was like, I want to go outside, I want to run around a lake. And so I. We had quick Google search and yeah, man, just I ran it and I like, can't believe that if you just like, if you know anything about me, like, I hate running, but I think it's just like, like help the discipline and stuff like that. So yeah, a lot of creatine, a lot of electrolytes, a lot of hocus hoca shoes. And I am filling it today. Quads, shins, calves.
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Diana Rossini
It sounds awful. It sounds.
- [74:42]
Chase Daniel
It sort of was. When I was running it, like, my heart rate got up to 174, which I'm, I'm 30, which everyone knows now. I thought my, my, my max heart rate is, is like 189. So, like, I was almost at Mac. I was like, you know, in and out. Like it was, it was bad, but it was. I did it.
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James Palmer
We did it.
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Chase Daniel
Yeah, we did it.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah. I feel like I need to then, or at least think about running a 5k to see if I can be you.
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Chase Daniel
Because, yeah, my time was awful. Like, it wasn't about the time.
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Diana Rossini
Do you remember what it was? Roughly?
- [75:13]
Chase Daniel
I averaged 950amile. That's not great.
- [75:17]
Diana Rossini
Yeah, that's not great at all.
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Chase Daniel
Like, but this, I'm also 240 pounds, so I'm like, like there's a lot, lot, lot of weight. These don't feel great.
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Chase Daniel
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Diana Rossini
I could use some of your motivation after being absolutely deflated over the weekend. I. I have one of those, like, parent nightmares where I think any parent that has children, I think you may be able to relate to this, whether your kid has a blankie, a stuffy. You know, most kids have their little thing. My one son has his doggy, and we used to. We used to have monkey, but we don't know where monkey went, and that was a disaster. But I lost doggy, and.
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Chase Daniel
Oh, wait, you lost doggy. You personally lost doggy?
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Diana Rossini
Yeah. I actually had this thought yesterday that.
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James Palmer
You subconsciously would rather.
- [78:11]
Diana Rossini
Rather that I'm a horrible mom. But I was thinking, like, is there a story out there that I'd be willing to give up to find doggy right now?
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Chase Daniel
Oh, it's like that.
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Diana Rossini
I think it's like, every story. Like, I don't even think there's just one. It's that big of a deal because it's guys, the meltdown that comes with it that, you know, you're about to have. And I never informed him that doggy was gone.
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James Palmer
Out of sight, but we.
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Diana Rossini
Did a little backtracking, and. Oh, man, I got lucky.
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Chase Daniel
So you didn't even know?
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Diana Rossini
No. Well, my husband mentioned it. He was like, hey, have you seen doggy? I was like, he's. You know, they're always around. You always find them somewhere. And then something just didn't feel right. And I was like, well, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go look in the car. And then when he wasn't in the car, I realized he definitely fell out. Because this is like the second or third time in the last month where something I own has fallen out of my car, and I have gone back and found it in the car.
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Chase Daniel
Are you a messy car person or no?
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Diana Rossini
No, I actually have a neat car. I am just a little bit of a hurricane. So, like, the other day, my wallet was in a parking lot spot for three hours.
- [79:22]
Chase Daniel
Wallet.
- [79:23]
Diana Rossini
Wallet with money, license. I backtracked. I went back. I'm like, there she is. She was just sitting there.
- [79:31]
James Palmer
You might have to change your ways, though. Like, this track record of going back and finding things is valuable as a wallet. It's not correct.
- [79:36]
Diana Rossini
It's gonna run out. It's gonna run out. There's gonna. Someone's gonna take doggy. Someone's gonna take my wallet. Someone's gonna take my head, whatever I left behind. So, yeah, so I went back and I. I Found it in a parking lot of a place that we had lunch in. And there he was.
- [79:51]
Chase Daniel
That's wild.
- [79:51]
Diana Rossini
His neck all scored.
- [79:52]
Chase Daniel
Good for you.
- [79:53]
Diana Rossini
Cuz someone ran him over.
- [79:54]
Chase Daniel
My wife's good at that. She can backtrack him. Anything. I'm like, what?
- [80:01]
Diana Rossini
I have all the tricks of just please help me find this thing. The feeling of having anything lost. A phone, a wallet, a child. All frightening.
- [80:12]
James Palmer
Hopefully not in that order is your fear factor. But yeah, I would put child at the top. Dinah. I feel like Chase is a bit like meet the parents where he would have gotten a new doggy. Kind of beat him up a little bit. Painted jinx's tail. Yeah. To make sure that it's just looks like. Looks like the old doggy. And just substituted as best he can.
- [80:33]
Diana Rossini
But they know. Why is it?
- [80:34]
James Palmer
How do they know that?
- [80:35]
Diana Rossini
Cuz we do have another one. And he like can smell it. He's like, no. I'm like, oh, it has to smell like wet dew for you to like like them. But they. These kids know.
- [80:46]
James Palmer
They know. They know. Listen, we don't have time for me to break down my summer. I'll just say I had a great trip to Japan. How about these? I thought of my. My headline. What'll be on the back page.
- [80:59]
Chase Daniel
Yep. Ready?
- [81:02]
James Palmer
It's gonna say this time to take Jackson. Sierra, you later.
- [81:10]
Chase Daniel
Oh, how's that? Oh, that's funny.
- [81:14]
James Palmer
Does that. That make. That make it work?
- [81:16]
Chase Daniel
Sierra, you later.
- [81:17]
James Palmer
Yeah, you can give that to her in the carpool line. Chase.
- [81:20]
Chase Daniel
Hey, she might not talk to me.
- [81:22]
James Palmer
Sorry. She may not want that piece of paper anyways. We'll see what Russ does. I enjoyed this Monday, everyone. I did. We got one holden completed Terry McLaurin deal. Two more to go. Diana, you get on it. Chase, do you have any closing words for us here as we finish this Monday on Scoop City?
- [81:43]
Chase Daniel
Free the stuffies.
- [81:45]
Diana Rossini
Free the stuffies. And Chase, I thought you had a lot because you've had a little bit of free time. But. But yeah, I'm hearing your time is now going to be limited.
- [81:56]
Chase Daniel
Yeah. Oh, we're doing this. Oh, yeah. All right. Yes.
- [81:59]
James Palmer
Thanks, Diana, for following up. That's what we do as reporters. If somebody with the first question doesn't get it.
- [82:04]
Chase Daniel
I forgot.
- [82:05]
James Palmer
Other reporters come and follow up to see if they can get it out of the athlete.
- [82:10]
Diana Rossini
This.
- [82:10]
Chase Daniel
No, this is good. Yeah. The way we work. Some people close to me know. Most people close to me know. But yeah, I won't be as free anymore. We're going to announce it today. Scoop City's the first people to hear it. I think we're going to put it out later today or maybe tomorrow morning, but I'm going to be joining espn.
- [82:30]
James Palmer
Let's go.
- [82:31]
Chase Daniel
Diana's former place of work. Yeah, it's going to be fun. I'm. I'm excited about it for a couple things. One, you know, we got. Got fired from the facility in Fox, like, straight up, just like, canned. And to have a job this soon is a blessing, so I'm really thankful and grateful for that. Number two is I will be calling college football games, so I'll be the color commentator on some college football games. First game is Pitt versus Duquesne, literally in a week. So literally right after this, I'm gonna start studying. I'll be calling 14 to 15 of those. I'll be calling two UFL games for ESPN. And then I will also be. Which I think is one of the coolest things as well, not only calling games, but I'll be an NFL analyst on some studio shows. So NFL Live is one of them. So I'm super, super excited about this opportunity. And, yeah, really excited to, like, dive in.
- [83:29]
Diana Rossini
You should be. It's so deserving. You work so hard at this. You're so good at it.
- [83:34]
Chase Daniel
Thank you.
- [83:35]
Diana Rossini
We'll be watching you, rooting you on. I love the fact that you're doing both college and pro because you. You obviously have so much experience in both. And I. I do think that you have such a great view of it all, and your perspective is always so, so valuable to people. I learned something every single day. So the rest of the world gets to continue to learn from you, Chase. So we. We can't wait. And hopefully you share some stories with us behind the scenes, because I know it's always drama, film, and.
- [84:01]
Chase Daniel
And, yeah. And like, I remember when I called my first game, Diana, you put out a tweet like, he's gonna kill it while. So you were like, one of the first ones when I called the. I called because I called two UFL games last year for Fox, and you would watch and you'd put out a tweet. So I'm like, oh, I'm really grateful for that.
- [84:16]
Diana Rossini
Some people just got it, like, yeah, some of us gotta work hard. Some of us just have the skill, Jay.
- [84:22]
James Palmer
Steve got the skill, but you also work hard, too. I do work hard.
- [84:25]
Diana Rossini
So congratulations to you and the kids and everybody. It's gonna be great.
- [84:29]
James Palmer
Yeah, congratulations, buddy. And I will just selfishly just say, dinah, this means more draft intel for. For Scoop City. A lot for you and I. That's how I'm looking at it. Chase is going to be getting that drafted. Tell congratulations, man. Make sure everybody watches Chase and everything he's doing over there at espn, but don't, you know, just do it around your viewing of Scoop City.
- [84:49]
Chase Daniel
Yeah. Still be on here every Monday, baby.
- [84:51]
James Palmer
Yeah, that's right.