3/26/26 Jason Jones on Helping the Innocent Victims of Israel’s Violence

Summary

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Episode: 3/26/26 Jason Jones on Helping the Innocent Victims of Israel’s Violence
Date: March 29, 2026
Guest: Jason Jones, The Vulnerable People Project
Host: Scott Horton

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Scott Horton welcomes Jason Jones of the Vulnerable People Project to discuss humanitarian efforts in the midst of the ongoing violence in Gaza and the West Bank, with a focus on the Christian Palestinian community and the broader impact of Israeli military actions. They discuss the challenges of providing effective aid, the politics surrounding the conflict, American and Christian perceptions of the region, and Jones’s organization’s work delivering food and prosthetic limbs to children harmed in the conflict. The episode features a candid look at the obstacles of international humanitarian work, the reality of ethnic cleansing in the region, media narratives, religious ideology, and what listeners can do to help.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Humanitarian Aid in Gaza and the West Bank

• Skepticism about Individual Appeals for Donations

  • Scott expresses caution about donating directly to apparent victims on social media, given risks of fraud and US legal restrictions ([00:48]).
  • Jason confirms similar experiences, noting many requests are not real; encourages donating to vetted organizations.

• Vulnerable People Project’s Efforts

  • Current Programs:

    • Food and water supplies to Christians, widows, and orphans in Gaza ([01:57]).
    • Emergency shelter: Provided pop-up homes at Christmas ([01:57]).
    • Medical evacuations: Initially focused on evacuating wounded Christian women and children until border closures ([01:57]).
    • Orphan Crisis: 18,000 children in Gaza lack any living relatives ([01:57]).

  • Gaza Smiles & Gaza Walks Initiatives:

    • Gaza Walks: Goal to provide prosthetic limbs to every child in Gaza and the West Bank within 36 months—already fitted first groups with limbs ([02:53]).
    • Gaza Smiles: Aims to bring joy and normalcy to children, many of whom are war orphans.

  • Website for Support:

    • VulnerablePeopleProject.com and GazaWalks.com ([19:05], [23:45]).
    • $2,500 provides a prosthetic limb for one child.

Advancements and Ironies in War Technology

• American Wars and Prosthetics:
  • Scott and Jason discuss how the US-led wars advanced prosthetic limb technology—a grim silver lining ([03:37]).
  • Drones, developed for war, are also repurposed for humanitarian deliveries (e.g., insulin, medicines) ([04:10]).

The Plight of Christians in the Holy Land

• Ethnic Cleansing and Attacks

  • Jason asserts Israel’s intent to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, especially Christians, from the West Bank ([05:17]).
  • Reports of recent attacks on Bethlehem and other Christian villages—no charges against the perpetrators ([05:17], [24:20]).

• Media and Public Perceptions

  • Discussion about US public ignorance, shaped by government and media narratives painting Israeli Jews and Palestinian Christians as allies against "barbarian Muslims"—a simplification at odds with reality ([07:25]).

  • Propaganda and the deep-seated biases that even self-aware activists must confront ([08:26]).

    "The Palestinians are the most calumniated people on earth, the most lied about people on earth. And we have been thoroughly indoctrinated." – Jason Jones ([10:55])

• Generational Divide

  • Older Americans are shaped by decades of pro-Israel propaganda, while Gen Z witnesses violence firsthand on social media ([10:55]).

• Christian Zionist Theology & Its Consequences

  • Critique of American Christian Zionism and apocalyptic thinking used to justify violence ([12:48], [15:42]).

    "It's astrology and numerology and all of this Gnostic esoteric crap to justify ethnic cleansing and like a push to World War III." – Jason Jones ([12:48])

  • Scott and Jason discuss the perversion of Christianity into an ethno-nationalist cult—contrary to the universalism at its core ([15:42]).

Broader Middle East Context

• Failures of US Foreign Policy

  • Discussion of abandoned democracy activists in Afghanistan, Yazidis in Iraq, and ongoing IDP crises stemming from American wars ([04:44]).
  • US wars in Iraq and Syria have decimated ancient Christian communities ([26:01], [26:13]).

• Current Conditions in Lebanon and the West Bank

  • Christian displacement in southern Lebanon; new settlements dividing Bethlehem from historic Christian sites ([24:20]).
  • Protection of religious minorities differs dramatically across the region; Israel often advances at the expense of Christians ([26:01]).

How Listeners Can Help

• Direct Action:

  • Donate through VulnerablePeopleProject.com or GazaWalks.com ([19:05], [23:45]).

  • $2,500 supports a prosthetic limb for a child; donations also fund food and shelter.

  • SaveWestBankChristians.com is another project aimed at preserving Christian presence ([27:12]).

    "There’s more children missing limbs in Gaza than the entire world combined. So it’s a big task. Our goal is to humanize Palestinians… and to give as many children as we can the freedom of running and laughing." – Jason Jones ([21:05])

Critique of US Evangelical Support for Israel

• Exposing Contradictions
  • Dispensationalist theology, Christian Zionism, and prominent televangelists (e.g. John Hagee) are sharply criticized for promoting violence under religious rationales ([29:11]).

    "At one point, [John Hagee] said, you give me the policy, it's my job to create the theology." – Jason Jones ([31:05]) "That guy's jerking your chain, pal. He doesn’t believe a word that he says." - Scott Horton ([31:59])

  • Separation between Christianity's universal call to love your enemies and the ethnonationalist ideology promoted by some American churches ([32:58]).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “[Israel’s] goal is to fully ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, but especially the Christians from the West Bank.”—Jason Jones ([05:17])
• “There are 18,000 children in Gaza without a living relative…we try to work with them as well.”—Jason Jones ([01:57])
• “It's really hard to believe how brutal Israel is to the Palestinian Christian community. When you go there, it's the exact opposite [from the media narrative].”—Jason Jones ([08:26])
• “Build the temple so the Antichrist can reign and kill two thirds of the Jews. It strikes me as bizarre…”—Jason Jones ([30:17])
• “You give me the policy, it's my job to create the theology.”—John Hagee quote, via Jason Jones ([31:05])
• “If you deny that Jesus is the fulfillment of all the promises to Abraham, I don't see how in any way you're a Christian. … Christianity is a universal religion.”—Jason Jones ([32:58])

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Important Timestamps

• Introduction & Overview of Aid Efforts: [00:39] – [03:37]
• Advancements & Ironies in War Technology: [03:37] – [04:43]
• Plight of Christian Palestinians and “Ethnic Cleansing” Claims: [05:17] – [08:26]
• Personal Reflections on Indoctrination & Bias: [08:26] – [10:55]
• Generational Divide in Perception: [10:55] – [12:31]
• Critique of Christian Zionism and Theological Misuse: [12:48] – [15:42]
• How Listeners Can Help (aid, prosthetics): [18:40] – [23:45]
• Displacement in Lebanon and West Bank Settlement Expansion: [24:20] – [26:01]
• Religious Minorities Elsewhere, Contrasts to Israeli Policy: [26:13] – [27:12]
• Mike Huckabee, Evangelicals, and Political Influence: [28:59] – [30:17]
• Christian Zionism and Theological Manipulation: [30:17] – [32:58]
• Final Words and Contact Info for Jason Jones: [35:18] – [37:09]

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Closing Notes

Scott Horton and Jason Jones present a sobering, deeply empathetic portrait of the civilian and especially Christian suffering amid Israel’s ongoing military operations in Gaza and the West Bank, challenging US media, political, and religious narratives. They stress the importance of humanizing all victims, correcting misconceptions, and providing direct, reputable aid. The episode blends firsthand accounts, practical information for helpers, and sharp critique of the complicity of American culture and policy in perpetuating violence.

To support or learn more:

• VulnerablePeopleProject.com
• GazaWalks.com
• SaveWestBankChristians.com
• Jason Jones’s Substack: thejasonjonesshow.substack.com

[All ads/promos omitted.]

Transcript

[A]

You ladies and gentlemen of the press

[B]

have been less than honest according to the American people.

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What's going on in this country?

[B]

We're dealing with Hitler revisited. This is the Scott Horton Show.

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Libertarian foreign policy, mostly. When the president does it, that means that it is not a liberty. We're gonna take out seven countries. They don't know what the they're doing.

[B]

Negotiate now. End this war.

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And now, here's your host, Scott Horton.

[B]

All right, you guys. Welcoming back Jason Jones to the show. He's from the Vulnerable People's Project. How you doing, Jason?

[A]

Good to see you, Scott.

[B]

Good to have you back here. Listen, I see things on Twitter sometimes. I don't think I get emails like this, but I see things on Twitter saying, man, I'm this poor Arab Palestinian from the Gaza Strip, and the Israelis, they kill everybody I know, and I'm desperate and hungry and starving. Can you please donate money to me? And I just think, no, because I have no way in the world knowing who these people are or how legit that is, or the Treasury Department is later going to accuse me of violating some sanctions and donating to a group that's tied to a group that's tied to a group that's tied to Hamas. And I'm just, I'm sorry, man, I'm not going to touch that with a 100 million foot long pole. But then I seen where your Vulnerable People's Project is, first of all, helping to deliver food, especially to Christians, but I don't think exclusively to Christians in Gaza. And then also you have this new thing and man, I hate this, dude. It's so crazy to even have to talk about this in this way. But it is what it is, where you're trying to help these kids, especially children, I think, get prosthetic limbs after what the Israelis have done to them. And so maybe please tell us all about those efforts and what people can do to help you.

[A]

Yeah, well, Scott, first of all, I get the same requests through social media for help. And because I have teams on the ground across Gaza, I'm like, give me your pin, tell me where you're at. We'll bring food to you. They've never been real yet, so I wouldn't feel too guilty. It's probably going to Nigeria or something like that or Bangladesh. But no, we do work across Gaza and we also work in the West Bank. Our work there began in the early days of the war. We were asked to evacuate. Evacuate wounded Christian women, pregnant women and children. And so that's what we were doing. Until the Rafa Gate was destroyed and that, that we were taking them into Egypt, the Rafa Gate. But we continued to work across Gaza for Christmas. We provided pop up homes to every Christian, Christian family in Gaza, but also to widows and orphans. We were providing a steady supply of water not only to the churches but also to serve the doctors that were serving the orphan community. There are 18,000 children in Gaza without a living relative just doesn't mean that they're orphaned. But they don't have an aunt, an uncle, a niece, a nephew, a cousin, a brother, nobody. And so we really try to work with them as well. So our two main programs in Gaza right now are Gaza Smiles and Gaza Walks. And Gaza Walks. Our goal is in the next 36 months to provide every child in the west bank and Gaza prosthetic limbs. Last week our first 12 children received their limbs and another 12 this week. And we're starting in the west bank and working our way towards Gaza with this program. So we're really excited about that.

[B]

That's great. I had kind of a realistic but also like ironic and kind of snide comment in one of my books about how the only real benefit to the American people that you could point to from our 25 years of war over there in any real way is advancements in prosthetic limb technology. It really has been great, but it's necessity, the mother of invention there because of what our government continues to do to Americans and to their victims over there.

[A]

I have a friend, Ryan Hendrickson. He founded an organization, Tip of the Spear Landmine Removal. He removes landmines in Ukraine and the civilian areas. He had his leg blown off in the first Gulf War. Green Beret 27 surgeries to reattach the first of its kind. Now with our landmine removal teams, we have had volunteers lose limbs. And what they do now with prosthetics is light years ahead of what they could do before the global war on terror. So I guess there is that. And also drone technology. We were getting ready to use drones.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To break aer by John's blockade in Art Sock by bringing in insulin for, for children. But so drone technology for humanitarian purposes. But no, it's been catastrophic and to your point, Scott, and that's why I'm just so grateful to be on your show. You, you have been a clear and consistent voice when, when I hear people chastise you or, or, or folks like us who are opposing this war in Iran that don't we care about women. You know, I still have democracy activists in safe houses in Central Asia that worked in Afghanistan, that if they were to go back home, they would die. But Stephen Miller and the Trump administration has welded the door shut so they will not be resettled in the United States. There are still Yazidis who were victims of ISIS after we shattered the secular equilibrium in Iraq. There are still 100,000 civilians in IDP camps in Iraqi Kurdistan. So for these people that care so much about. Who cared so much about the women of Afghanistan that we abandoned them and never looked back, we cared so much for the women in Iraq, yet they're languishing in IDP camps a decade after we left. It's really. It's unbelievable. And now we have this chaos in Iran and in the West Bank. Israel is taking advantage of this, and their goal is to fully ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, but especially the Christians from the West Bank. There is a war on TBA. The last 100% Christian village left in the west bank just today, there were two attacks on Bethlehem. The Christian village of Bethlehem. I was just there for Christmas and shots were fired and two. Two Palestinians were hit. You know, all of these Palestinians being murdered by settlers. There hasn't been a settler charged with a crime since 2020, so. In six years.

[B]

Yeah, but I saw in t. Oh, yeah, good. I thought I was muted, but I saw on TV that the Israelis are America's partner in the war against the war on Christians in the Middle East. So you must be wrong.

[A]

Well, no, they were for about three hours in December when people were starting to pay attention to the brutalization of Christians in Gaza, in the West Bank. We were all told to look at Nigeria for an hour and a half. You know, Vulnerable People Project Works in Nigeria. We have for years. We provide security not only for the Christians against Islamist threats, but also the Jewish community there. But, yeah, so they, they, they were concerned about Nigeria, but only insofar as it would distract us from the hell on earth that was in Gaza in the West Bank.

[B]

Yeah. And, you know, Americans could be for forgiven for not understanding this because it's certainly never portrayed in popular media in a way that you would get the, you know, real understanding. And so I think people just assume that the Palestinian Christians are friends with and are protected by the Israeli Jews and that they're together allies against the evil, barbarian Muslim Arabs who are the threat to our Judeo Christian civilization. Nobody ever explains that it's any different. And so that would, I think, for many Americans, just be the assumption that, of course, we're not on the side of the group that's trying to, what you say, ethnically cleanse an entirely Christian village in the land where Jesus walked. Nah, that can't be right. Why would the Republicans do that? Jason?

[A]

Yeah, no, I have to confess my own ignorance. Even as a human rights activist myself, when I was in Egypt evacuating Palestinian families from Gaza to hospitals in Egypt, I have to say I wrote an article because we were interviewing. If you go to our website, vulnerablepeopleproject.com, you can see my interviews with these Palestinians, mostly Christians, but others who were wounded in attacks in the early days of the war in Gaza. And as I was interviewing them, I heard my inner dialogue like, they're not fanatics. You know, one of the husbands was like, well, after my oldest, youngest child went to college, I told my wife to go get her PhD. I'm like, a Muslim would never tell his wife to go get her. And then I would try to probe them for anti Semitism or Jew hatred, of which I could find nothing. And I heard my inner Joe Biden when he said that Barack Obama was so neat and articulate, so articulate for a black man. I was listening to my internal dialogue and I said, oh my gosh, I'm a bigot. And I came home from Egypt and I wrote an article called Help, I'm an anti Palestinian Bigot. And so the reality is that when, yeah, I have to, to take a deep breath when I hear people that I have respected say things like, turn Gaza into pink mist. Kill everyone in Gaza, Let God sort them out. I heard a prominent Catholic leader said this to me and it's because they've been, they've been indoctrinated. But when you go there, it's the exact opposite. The Palestinians are the most calumniated people on earth, the most lied about people on earth. And we have been thoroughly indoctrinated. Those of us who are over 30 and anyone over 30 to Gen Z is a boomer. I guess millennials and up are boomers. We're Gen X, so we're to. To Gen Z, we're boomers. But Gen Z has been just seeing the ethnic cleansing live streamed into their phone via Tick Tock all day. And so it's interesting to hear, hear older folks say how indoctrinated the younger people have been. What actually hits those of you who are just watching Fox News and parroting which you've been listening to the past 40 years about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. For me, it took me going there and even after working in the Middle east for 20 years, I still had to come face to face with my own, my own bigotry. And, you know, the propaganda is powerful. You have in your introduction to your show, the little snippet of the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter who was at Georgetown Visitation but went before Congress saying she saw Iraqi soldiers bayonetting infants and incubators. And I remember hearing her testimony as a young infantryman myself, and it like whipped me into a frenzy. And they almost cut and paste the exact same propaganda from, you know, her testimony to what we were told Hamas was doing with cutting off babies heads and all that. Of course, none of that was true. So people are, they're, they're scared and they're angry and they find it really hard to believe how brutal Israel, Israel is to the Palestinian Christian community. And when they come to so many people, when they have to deal with it, the reality of it, then what they'll say is, well, they're Palestinians before they're Christians or they're not really. I've been told this by conservative Christian leaders that, you know, they're, they have been Arabized so they can no longer be Christian. And what's absurd about that is in the Book of Acts, Arabic is one of the languages that was being spoken. And so among the very first believers were Arabs. And in the second century, the first tribes to convert to Christianity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, after the Jews Was Arabs. Was Arabs. So you have people that hold to a heresy that was.

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It's like turtles. It's, it's absurdities all the way down. Right? It's just nothing but lies upon lies upon lies that the entire Zionist project is based completely erase the real history of mankind and rewrite some idiot cartoon to make it fit, you know.

[A]

No. And it's. And you go to like your local Barnes and Noble. I took a picture of it all. It's all these idiot cartoon books. They're all about, you know, the blood moon and you know, numerology. It's like these fundamentalist Christians appealing to astrology and numerology and all of this Gnostic esoteric crap to justify ethnic, ethnic cleansing and like a push to worlds were like a push to World War III with glee. I've never heard in the Muslim world the apocalypse, apocalyptic insanity like that. You can hear an American suburban Dispensationalist Church.

[B]

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[A]

minister up there, you know, and, and that's the reality. This is a theology that came out of the era where, yes, no one could contradict your idiot pastor when you're out there on the prairie. And this weird cult, this small little heretical sect has become dominant through Christian publishing, through Christian radio, through Christian television. And you know, for me, I was an atheist. I was an Ayn Rand objectivist atheist through my 20s. And I finally opened up the Jewish scriptures and Then the new testament with an open mind. And I was struck, especially as I read Paul's letters and the other epistles, at how universal the faith was. And that's what I found attractive. The two things that were just most striking to me is coming from sort of someone who's completely ignorant of religion and raised to really be. I was raised to be sort of anti christian. My grandfather was vehemently anti christian. And then I'd been an objectivist since, like, the eighth grade when I read anthem, you know, that set my hair on fire. But what really struck me was here's a religion where God sacrifices for man. That was striking. And the other was this idea that there's no longer jew or gentile, that the human family is one, that there is no other. I mean, fundamentally, the christian religion is unique in that it says you have no other. You are to love even your enemy. Just this week, I was able to interview the CIA John Kiriakou, the whistleblower on advanced interrogation. There's also a devout orthodox christian. And I was able to. And I asked him, what was it like being a spy who worked up close and personal with these terrorists, you know, living out our vocation as christians, to love your enemy. It was really interesting conversation. But to think that these dispensationalists can take a religion that was birthed 2,000 years ago in the Levant around the idea that there is no other, that you kiss lepers and kneel down next to women caught in the act of adultery and hang out with samaritans and gentiles. You could take that religion and turn it into some sort of sick ethno nationalist cult. It's really a feat to behold.

[B]

Yeah, really is something. But like a lot of things, beliefs are, you know, really good for just separating us from them. And who believes what, as George Carlin would say, who's wearing which kind of hat? And more different the hat, the more likely the violence is coming. You know, something really to that. So listen, wait in. I want to talk about prosthetic limbs for kids more. And then let's talk about what's happening on the west bank and let's talk about what's happening in southern Lebanon and Gaza and all that. I just go off, man. I know. You know so much.

[A]

And we can talk about Iraq and Afghanistan, too, and.

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Oh, hey, well, whatever's on your mind for a while, but. But first, let people know how they can actually really participate in helping people and. And, you know, give them. You mentioned it, but you know, about food Aid and whatever else you're doing, but let people know about the vulnerable people project what you're doing and especially, you know, the food and the, the prosthetic limbs and what they can do to participate here with you.

[A]

Yeah, our website is, our main website is vulnerable peopleproject.com I founded the organization in 2002 in the lead up to the war in Iraq, trying to, I was very active in the pro life movement, worked for Pat Buchanan's campaign the year before, you know, 2000. And I really wanted to try to mobilize the pro life movement, the conservative movement, to oppose the, any idea that we'd invade Iraq. And that's sort of what birthed our organization. And from there it was just how do we run influence campaigns for the ethnic and religious minorities suffering, you know, because of our foreign policy mistakes. And so we, our mission is very simple. To get between the vulnerable and the violent, to stand with the most vulnerable communities in the world promoting their interests. So we work in Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan. We still have safe houses in Central Asia for religious minorities and former American partners in Afghanistan. We were, we never really worked in Gaza or the west bank, but we were invited into Gaza when the war first started because people knew of our success in evacuating Yazidi girls from Iraq, Ukrainians to the west. We moved a lot of the orphanages to the west during the Russian invasion. But our work in Afghanistan got a lot of attention. So people call us and say, can you help get people out of Gaza? We had never worked there before, so. But we put our minds to it and we figured it out and we set up an evacuation system to evacuate. I think, you know, I found out right away, people don't like when you remove Palestinians, Palestinians don't like when you remove Palestinians from Gaza because they're never allowed to return. And so in a way, you could be participating in the ethnic cleansing thinking you're a do gooder. And our first rule is to do no harm. And so I was, it was, I was surprised to find out people were mad at me for. But we were evacuating pregnant women and children that would have died if they weren't evacuated. And from there, from that evacuation, it's really when I sort of came to see how horrific the Palestinian, the plight of the Palestinians. And then from there we just started bringing in food and medicine. We do these Children's Day events, which I'm most proud of. We bring in swimming pools and food and ices. We have clowns and music. And the goal is Just to make the kids laugh. So right now our two main initiatives are Gaza walks.com if you go to Gaza walks.com for $2,500, we can give a child a prosthetic limbs. You know, I'm always, I'm very transparent. We're a small ngo. You know, maybe this year we'll do. Our goal is to do 400 children. And that's just a drop in the bucket. There's more children missing limbs in Gaza than the entire world combined. So it's a big task. But our goal is, you know, we have two goals with this. Number one is to humanize the Palestinians, to remind people that these are human beings with hopes and dreams and families, their children. And so just by bringing attention to the fact that there's this amputee crisis in Gaza, hopefully we can stop some of this violence. And, and two is just to give, you know, as many children as we can the freedom of running and laughing. And we got the first videos in yesterday. We rushed to make the video that's on the website. God walks.com and just to see that young girl smile like that means the world to me. And I, I think I sent you the video of one of our Children's Day events. All those children are war orphans. And so just to see kids smiling and laughing and dancing, knowing that they spend every night crying themselves to sleep. Most of their days are they're hungry and they're cold and they're lonely and they're scared and they're confused. And so if we can come in and, and make them laugh and give them joy and I can't wait till the, the war is really over and Israel allows me to enter. They have not, as of yet, allowed me to join our, our teams in Gaza.

[B]

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[A]

Gaza walks.com Gaza walks.com okay, great.

[B]

All right, so now, and I'm sorry because we are running kind of short on Time, a few more minutes here. Tell us about what's going on. If you could give us an update on southern Lebanon. I know that this used to be a majority Christian country and it still is a double digit percentage. I don't know what. And I guess my understanding is that they had Christian villages all kind of intermixed throughout the Shiite villages in southern Lebanon and that are these all now being destroyed?

[A]

They're being destroyed, they're fleeing. In fact, last week a million people displaced overall, right? A million. In fact, some of them were our team members. We were doing a conference call last week. In the middle of the conference call, the Christians in the Christian neighborhood that we were talking to were told that they were immediately ordered to evacuate and that that neighborhood was about to be flattened. And so it was, it's just startling to be on a call. The hardest part of my job, Scott, is every morning and I would like to bounce back to the west bank for a bit, but every morning I check my phone, whether it's my teams in Tel Aviv or Tehran or the west bank or Lebanon. And you know, when someone doesn't report in for a day, it's horrifying. In the west bank right now, there's a new settlement that's just been approved that's called Stemma, and it will separate Bethlehem from Betsahor, the Shepherd's Field. And what we're going to see is really the erasure of the last Christians in Gaza and in the west bank, the last Christians in Bethlehem. And what a lot of people have to understand is, you know, we, you. It's most people think, well, yeah, that's the Muslims that are killing them and chasing them away. That's not true. You know, for 750 years under the Ottoman Empire, you had about 70 religions that survived and thrived and Christians were protected. They had demi status. But it's been since 1948. It's been really since the British and the French arrived in 1948. Now we see the disappearance of Christians. You know, it was most Christians were cleansed from Iraq before Bush's second term was over.

[B]

So we saw because of America's war there. Yeah. And the same thing for the Christians of Syria, the victims of Obama's war. They're both of those at Israel's behest, even though they're America's wars, their American Zionist wars.

[A]

Yeah. And on our website, Scott, there's a beautiful video that we just shot in Tehran last week of the Jewish community. We always like to stand with those communities that we feel are completely isolated and without protection. And so I sent camera crews and teams into. In Tehran to document the plight of the Jews during the war. And do you know, it's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

I'm not saying that this regime is cupcake Christmas. You know, it's a brutal regime. It's an Islamist regime, but the reality is the religious minorities are more or less protected. The Hazaras suffer great persecution at the hands of the regime. But, you know, what we see Israel doing to the Christian community is unprecedented across the region. You'll have someone like Mike Huckabee say Israel is the only place Christians are safe. There are Christians in Egypt. There are Christians in Syria, Lebanon, because of Israel. Yeah, I know. And it's true.

[B]

Israel will kill them anywhere else they live.

[A]

Yeah. Even myself, like, when I go to the West Bank, I. I walk all over the west bank, and I feel really at home and I feel really safe. I don't say that I. I feel really awkward and uncomfortable when I'm in Israel. It's. It's a strange. It's a strange feeling. You are in an ethnonationalist apartheid state, and it's. It really is an uncomfortable feeling. And, you know, I have a friend who's a settler. He's a Jewish settler, an American guy. I actually adore him, but he's addled by Zionism. And he was. You know, he was at his home outside of Bethlehem in a settlement, and I had called him and I said, hey, I'm in Bethlehem. You should. You want to meet me for coffee? You know, he said, no, no, they'll kill me. They will kill me for sure. And he really believes that. Like, they really do believe that. They're in an existential battle. And then when you go into the west bank and there's no war going on, there's just people trying to live their life in the. Under the most challenging of circumstances. And we have a website called Save West BankChristians.com Save West BankChristians.com and it is one of our main goals at the Vulnerable People Project this year to stop the settlement in stema. President Trump has been very clear. No new settlements. The State Department's been very clear. These settlements, every last one of them is illegal. Trump wants them not only stopped, but torn down. But what. What does Israel do? We're hearing from Joe Kent. You had a great interview last week with Joe Kent. You know, they just ignore the President of the United States. They have. They have no regard to what the President, United States Says and what. And we have Mike Huckabee, who. I don't think he's a US Ambassador to Israel. I think he's Israel's ambassador into the United States. And he's. He behaves openly, is a foreign.

[B]

A foreign agent like Ron Dermer and Michael Oren before him, only. Oh, they were actually Israel. American, Israeli ambassadors to the United States. Same difference, though.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's unbelievable. Then you have the speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, goes to the west bank and visits the settlers that's attacked, that are attacking the Christians. And what's just so striking about this, Scott, is that these Christians in the west bank descend from the Jews that accepted Jesus. So you. You have to just look at these events, these dispensational. I know not all evangelicals are Christians.

[B]

Not even all dispensationalists.

[A]

Pardon? Not even all dispensationalists are ethno nationalists. Well, that's good to hear. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Because the dispensationalist thing, you know, I ain't no scholar or Protestant theology and this and that, but, you know, the dispensations are like these different eras in time and whatever kind of thing. So you can believe in that without believing that it's your role to help John Hagee, you know, somehow coerce Jesus into obeying your will and doing and. And drawing the timeline of the dispensations the way you want it to be. A lot of regular guys, as you might imagine, would not presume actually to boss God around like this. No.

[A]

You know, no. Yeah, Build the temple so the Antichrist can reign and kill two thirds of the Jews. It strikes me as bizarre, you know, in 2005, I was hired by a very wealthy Zionist woman to brought to New York City. And in the meeting was John Hagee. And I had just left working from the RNC and the Catholic outreach. And I was brought in to put together a strategy to get Catholics to be concerned about Israel's security the way evangelicals are. And I said, well, this isn't easy to do. We just have to, you know, find out what's. What's the barrier to Catholic support for the state of Israel, which was. I already understood what it was. It was how they brutalized the Palestinians. And so I had interviewed Palestinian Catholics on what reforms they would like Israel to do. So my proposal is just very simple. Here are some reforms that the Palestinian Christian community would like to see enact these reforms, and then let's publicize that these reforms are taking place through the Catholic Media. Well, of course, I thought I was very clever, but I wasn't, and I was immediately fired. But John Hagee was in that meeting, and at one point, he said, you give me the policy. It's my job to create the theology. Ha. And I like that. And I was just sitting there, and I was thinking. And I'd been Christian for two years. You know, here I was, I was, like, one year a Catholic, and I'm already, you know, doing Catholic, running Catholic initiatives for parties and candidates. But, yeah, I. It just was striking to me. I said, dear God, is he an atheist? Like, oh, yeah, believe, you know.

[B]

Oh, no. Yeah, that guy doesn't worship nobody but himself. He is the most corrupt blasphemer in the whole world. I pity anyone who actually has faith in things that John Hagee says. Like, whoever you are, no matter how deep you are, no matter how long you've been listening, today's the first day of the rest of your life. That guy's jerking your chain, pal. He doesn't believe a word that he says, and everything that he says is some ridiculous twist. I mean, I remember, you know, moons and numbers.

[A]

It's like astrology and numerology.

[B]

You could get raptured out of this building right now. But just in case you don't, here. Pay up on the way out, sucker. I mean, come on. That's the most. I don't know, man. I know there are a lot of ministers who believe every word that they say, but, man, there's a lot who couldn't possibly believe this.

[A]

They're shoveling.

[B]

John Hagee's one of them, man, for sure.

[A]

No, you know, when I was. I was an evangelical for, like, six months, from atheist evangelical to Catholic, I didn't stick around evangelical space, but I went to Calvary Chapel, and they would preach this, and I would pray as I was listening to it. God, I pray this part isn't true. Like, this, doesn't I? Please, I hope this part isn't true. You know, all of it's absurd. The prosperity gospel is absurd. The. The rapture. I said, lord, I pray that I don't get raptured. Why would I want to leave when everyone else is suffering, when all your saints throughout history have suffered and died for their faith? Please, I hope this isn't true. And if it's true, you know, I don't want to go. And then I just started reading the Church Fathers as a young Christian, and then I was relieved that this is a new belief and that the clear and consistent teachings of, of Christianity are held still by the Catholic Church. And you know, I see Christian Zionism is not a heresy, but is an apostasy. Because if you. And I think it's anti Semitic as well. But if, if you deny that Jesus is the fulfillment of all the promises to Abraham, I don't see how in any way you're a Christian. And again, Christianity is a universal religion. It, it's very clear that the, the, in the temple, at the crucifixion, the curtain was torn that separated the Gentile court from the Jews. There would no longer be Jew or Gentile. We're a family. We're a human family. So it's striking that they call those of us who deny that we have an other. They say if you refuse to other the Jews, you're anti Semitic. If you, or if you refuse to hate Arabs or Muslims, now, you're anti Semitic. And the one clear and consistent teaching of Christianity is that we're to love even our enemies and that, you know, we're not a, we don't worship a tribal pagan war God as Netanyahu said last week.

[B]

Well, you're just weak and naive. Jesus can't defeat Genghis Khan.

[A]

Yeah. Although there are billions of Christians today. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think he defeated Genghis Khan.

[B]

Fewer Mongols. Yeah, I saw a funny thing. No, I shouldn't even. Yeah, but it was funny. This meme I saw. Listen, I gotta go, man. I'm so over time. Jason, thank you for what you're doing. Thanks for keeping us updated on the plight of the Christians every. The Jason Jones Show. Wait, I got the link right here. Where is it? The Jason Jones show is on the sub stacks there with the rest of them. It is the Jason Jones show.substack.com and interesting that you interviewed the criminal Peter Gallbre there. I'll be interested to listen to that.

[A]

Now tell me, how is he a criminal? I didn't know he was a criminal.

[B]

Oh yeah. I think he was even prosecuted for some corruption in Iraq War two. He was also known for using every last prostitute in Croatia. I think it was when he was over there representing Bill Clinton.

[A]

I like that. You know, I just found the guy so charming. I, I need to do more research. What I, what I really, what I really appreciated about, about Peter was, you know, he was very clear and articulate and, and laying out the, the failures of the first Iraq War and how I got to know about Peter. And that's why I actually reached out to him.

[B]

The first Iraq War, the second Iraq War.

[A]

The second Iraq War.

[B]

W. Bush.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And. And how I. First. That was the one where he got

[B]

in trouble for making money off of some oil deal with the Kurds or something like that.

[A]

So. So I know the Kurds love him. And. And what I really appreciated with him is he risked his life to reunite isis, the victims of isis, with their children. And that was a very brave and decent thing to do, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Fair enough. All right, listen, I'm sorry. I gotta run. I'm just.

[A]

Thanks, brother.

[B]

Schedule. Thank you, man. Talk soon.

[A]

God bless.

[B]

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