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Disney's Zootopia 2 is the highest grossing animated film of all time. It's also the source of the strangest Hollywood story you have ever heard. I'm Malcolm Gladwell and on my podcast Revisionist History, we're telling a story that invites so much absurd speculation that we're gonna have to tell it across two episodes. You will almost certainly feel compelled to see Zootopia 2 for yourself, and if you already have, you may need to see it again. Listen to our bizarre two part series on Revisionist History wherever you get your podcasts. Support for Catching the Codfather comes From Rogers Fish Co. Founded by lifelong fishmonger and seafood advocate Roger Berkowitz, Rogers Fish Company brings responsibly sourced seafood and chef crafted meals straight to your door. Order online@rogersfishco.com Every idea starts with a problem.
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I'm Ian Koss and welcome to the first of two bonus episodes for our series, Catching the Codfather. So we ended our final chapter of the series talking about a landmark Supreme Court case, one that could change how the entire federal government makes regulation of all kinds of but the case was brought by a group of fishermen working under the same system of regulations we've traced throughout the series. And John Vecchione is one of the lawyers representing those fishermen. So tell me about your background. What's that boat behind you? I see?
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All right, so behind me is the actual Relentless, which was the companion case to Loper Bright. They argued the same day and I was counsel of record for Relentless, meaning I filed the complaint and got it to the Supreme Court.
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I talked to John earlier this year right as we launched the season, because I wanted an update. What has the actual impact been of that Supreme Court ruling? Has it changed the way courts are treating cases about regulation? What about the new presidential administration? Has it changed how they are writing new regulations? And whatever happened to the fishermen who brought the case in the first place? It turns out this story has continued to unfold in interesting ways, and John is not in any way done with his work of challenging what he sees as Unreasonable government regulation. In fact, from his post at the New Civil Liberties alliance, he is personally involved with some very high profile cases playing out in the courts right now that you have probably heard about. So today we are going to cover that from the personal perspective of a litigator at the center of it and how it was that a group of fishermen set all this change in motion. But before we jump into the conversation, a quick review of terms that will come up. If you've listened to episode six of the series, these should be familiar. But to be safe, the Chevron doctrine, or Chevron Deference, refers to a Supreme Court precedent from back in the 1980s that basically gave regulatory agencies like NOAA a lot of latitude in how they make rul. Okay. Loper bright is the 2024 case that challenged and ultimately overturned Chevron. And Relentless, as John mentioned, at the top, was the companion case that got bundled together with Loperbright and was argued at the same time. We started by talking about those fishing cases and the specific regulation those two cases were challenging. So how'd you get interest in these fisheries cases in the first place?
