Transcript
Vasco Duart (0:00)
Hi, I'm your host, Vasco Duart. Welcome to the Scrum Master Toolbox podcast where we share tips and tricks from Scrum Masters around the world. Every day we bring you inspiring answers to important questions that all Scrum Masters.
Host (0:14)
Face day after day. Hello everybody. Welcome to our Wednesday the Change Leadership episode. This week with Ramya Shastri. Hey Ramya, welcome back.
Ramya Shastri (0:31)
Hi Vasco. Thank you so much for having me.
Host (0:34)
So I'm really eager to hear your story of change. I mean, for those of you who haven't listened to it yet, check out yesterday's episode, which is itself also a story of change. So brilliant episode about how to help a team overcome a fear culture. Check it out. But today we want to hear a story of a change and kind of how you went about like from beginning to end. What were the things that actually had an impact? Maybe other things that didn't have an impact. But we want you to walk us through the steps of that change process and highlight for us the tips, the tricks, the tools and the techniques you used back then that you still apply today.
Ramya Shastri (1:12)
Absolutely. So one of the examples that I would like to share over here is, I mean when we talk about change, right? I mean many of these Scrum Masters, they feel that we are trying, but then our management is not listening or they are not getting convinced. How do I convince the manager? This is a typical question even I, I come across, right? So this is what I always try to tell them, right? So one is you don't have to convince anybody. They should understand the importance of what we are doing, why we are doing, right? So that is one second thing is you'll have to lead by example. So whatever change that you're leading, lead the change. But lead with exam. So this is typically what I try to explain. So let me give you an example. So I was working as a Scrum Master in a, in a project wherein I joined that organization newly. And that was my first assignment as a Scrum Master though I joined as an Agile coach. And the reason why I'm saying again, a Scrum Master is that the framework that that project chose, chose was a Scrum frame. That's the reason why I'm saying as a Scrum Master, but typically I was working as an Agile coach. So I was handling like six teams over there single handedly as a Scrum Master or Agile Coach, whatever you may want to follow. So I was, I discovered later after working some, after working for a while in that project that before me they were like four to five Scrum masters or project managers, I mean they tried different, different combination. And there were like five project managers and combination of Scrum Master project managers who voluntarily got released because they were not liking the culture that this project had. So when I joined that organization and a project, so I realized that there was a culture of maintaining the time sheets. When I say timesheets, they were logging this hour, what they were doing this hour, what they were doing. So if they are typically working for say eight hours in a day, so they had to maintain that list of every hour, this hour, what I was doing. And this was to happen for each and every team member and in the organization that I was working for, had no culture of maintaining timeshares at all. And it's like a flexible working hours, flexible timing and all those things. And I was surprised to see that why this particular project was doing against what the company is supposed to be operating on. So I happened to check with the team members and they told me that, you know what, our delivery manager has asked us to do that and this is a very, very much pain in our neck. So that's the comment that I familiar. And I happened to check with the delivery manager there. So then she told me that we do it because our customer has asked us to do this, client has asked us to do this. And I was baffled. I mean, why would a customer ask you to maintain a timesheet? So she told me that no, it is required for billing purpose. So I was like, I mean, this is not the right way to build people, right? So if you know your availability of the team members, you have a fixed team, you know their availability, you can build accordingly, right? But then she, she was like, no. She was very reluctant. She was like, no, this can't happen, client will not listen, and so on and so forth. So I came up with some mechanism, a tool, very, a very simple exception. So I named it as capacity. Right? Capacity sheet. When I say capacity, it is not measuring the number of hours each team members are putting in or clocking in. Just to make it very clear with our audiences. Because when we say we are Scrum Masters and capacity, people assume that it is number of hours we are clocking. No. So what I tried to do was I just kind of noted down the availability and with that availability, so I had like five teams, right? So I maintained multiple sheets and in each team I had each team member and sprints and availability, like whether the person is 100% available, 50% available, 45% whatever throughout the sprint, right? And if how many Days or leaves he or she is taking. So I maintained that. And based on that, I also asked for the rate cut. Obviously, depending upon the level that each person is. I kind of done the calculation by the availability, availability of number of days in a sprint that person is available multiplied by red card party. So that's how we got the billing thing. So when I worked on it, I literally sat on that particular sheet for so long and I prepared that sheet and I just happened to showcase that to the manager, delivery manager. Still, she was reluctant. She's like, this looks good, but I'm not sure if this would sail through. I said, you don't have to worry anything about. You just have me meet the customer. Let me talk to your counterpart from the customer side. Let me convince that customer or a client. Let me understand. So she said, okay. It was again, kind of a delegation, right? So she doesn't have to work and convince the customer. So I went to the customer and I asked him, why are you doing this? Why do you want to maintain hours, right? So he said, me, no, that becomes easier for me to build my business owners. So I said, don't worry. What if I give you a better way to do this? He said, it would be better. Then I said, here you go. So I explained entire thing to him and I was so surprised. He told me that you took away my efforts as well. I had to worry so much to fill in. So what. What he used to do is whatever hours and tasks that each team member used to do. Then he had some level of kind of a calculation at his end and then he used to build his custom. So I made everyone's life easy and I just showed him that now you don't have to do any calculation at all. You just pick this sheet up, give it to the business owner, and you will have the rate cards and price.
