Host/Co-host (5:14)

It definitely opens the space for something that is not yet predicted. Right. Like in the coaching conversation, we were just talking about how important it is to have a kind of a direction to know where you're going and so on. But it's also important for us to be aware of things that are not structured, that don't have a specific direction, but allow people to express what's going on for them.

Sara Di Gregorio (5:36)

Right, Exactly.

Host/Co-host (5:38)

Absolutely. Great, great tip. Now we turn our attention to what success means for us. Of course, we run retrospectives because we want to help teams succeed and we want ourselves to succeed as well. But for that to happen, we need to define what it is. So, Sara, what does success mean for you as a Scrum Master?

Sara Di Gregorio (6:01)

Well, for me, as a Scrum Master, the success is not only measured by what the team delivers. I'm not saying that is not important, but it's not the only thing. Because for me, it's very important to understand how the team grows, how they improve the communication, the collaboration. Because if we facilitate the team on the growth in improving communication, conversation, for sure the delivery will improve. So the team, if the team communicates very well, the delivery will be impacted from this. I think that for me, as a Scrum Master, this is very important. And a successful team is one that truly see the value on Scrum events. So. So when I see that they don't just attend because they have to do, because they have these events on their agenda, but they participate actively and understand why each event matters, for me it's, I think the big success I can imagine for my role. For example, when the team asks me to run the retrospective because they still they need to reflect and improve. Or they use the sprint planning. And that's for me first of all to be aligned on a goal. For me, when I listen the teams saying, sara, can we have 30 minutes talking this sprint? Because we have something to say, so we have to reflect on something. Yes, of course. We don't have to wait for the retrospective or for example, okay, guys, so today we can start planning is a new planning. And I listen people saying the word goal. Okay? For me this is very, very, very important. I also see the success when the team is proactive, when they lead by example. Even in crossing meeting. For example, by helping other teams stick to time boxes or pushing to end a meeting with clear outcomes. It should maturity and accountability. For example, some years ago, a colleague of mine in a meeting with other people, it was not leaded by me, so I was only a listener and interrupter. After, at the end of the meeting say, guys, we have to respect the time box. So I feel so happy. I said, okay. So it was so it was a good achievement.

Vasco Duarte (9:09)

It's a proud moment, I bet.

Sara Di Gregorio (9:11)

Yes. And another thing is how the team interact with the product owner. So as you can understand, for me it's very important the communication from. From all the points. So a team that regularly seek for feedback, open discussion or care about the quality. And for me this is very. So it's means for me that I pass them a lot of. So the important that the communication us in all the steps.

Host/Co-host (9:56)

I really like how you're focusing on the attitude that the team shows in their interactions with each other, with others and with yourself. Because it really kind of exemplifies. It illustrates the importance of the kind of environment and culture that we are able to bring to the team. I mean, sometimes it's already there and which is great. We just need to amplify it. Other times it isn't there and we need to build it step by step. Like what you described just a moment ago when you were talking about the need to have structured and unstructured retrospectives because they fulfill different purposes. Right. So I think this is a really great example and illustration of those small little things that we need to be paying attention to that show the culture that is in the team and help us to. To achieve the right type of culture. Right? Like interaction, collaboration, talking openly, having reflection outside the retrospectives. All of those things.

Sara Di Gregorio (10:54)

Yeah, no, that's because what I always say to the teams I work with is that Scrum isn't just a process to follow, but it's a way of working. When I met one team for the first time some years ago, one of the person that I met told me well, what do you want to do with us? Do you want to change things? And I said no, I don't want to change anything. You will choose what you want to change. So for me it's very important that now after a lot of years that I work with these people, I improved a lot the communication, they are happy happy about the process. All right, because I hope you like.

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