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Episode: How Peptides Conquered the Internet
Host: PJ Vogt
Guests: Jasmine Sun (independent writer), Ezra Marcus (reporter)
Date: February 13, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode explores how peptides—once obscure biochemical compounds—became an Internet phenomenon among diverse groups in America. Rather than a medical deep-dive, PJ Vogt investigates the cultural, economic, and technological forces that drove peptides from underground bodybuilding forums to mainstream self-experimentation, Silicon Valley, alternative wellness movements, and eventually, teenage influencers. The episode situates the peptide craze within broader Internet trends, the allure and risks of self-optimization, and public skepticism toward medical gatekeepers.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Peptides 101: What Are They?

Timestamp: 06:45

• Jasmine Sun: "A peptide is a short chain of amino acids. You can think of it like a mini protein... Some peptides are naturally occurring in the body (like insulin and oxytocin); others are synthetic or modified by pharmaceutical companies.”
• In the wellness/biohacking context, the term "peptides" mostly refers to experimental, often unregulated substances purchased from online pharmacies, sometimes directly from Chinese manufacturers.

Notable Insight: The phrase “Chinese peptides” has become a meme and social magnet; discussing one’s “stack” elicits excited curiosity in social settings (07:28).

2. San Francisco as a Laboratory for Weirdness

Timestamp: 04:50

• Sun details why the Bay Area uniquely incubates radical self-experimentation—a history of “frontier ethics,” political movements, and, now, tech money:
  “I want to be where the weird people are... there’s something about California and this sort of frontier ethic of people going west and getting as far away from the emperor’s view as they can.”
• In San Francisco, extreme ideas meet sizable resources for personal experimentation (e.g., blood transfusions for longevity), making it a “laboratory for weird shit.”

3. China’s Surprising Role

Timestamp: 08:50

• The origin of most peptides is Chinese pharmaceutical manufacturing, owing to government subsidies, skilled labor, and clustered industry towns since the 1980s. Even US-branded peptides often trace back to China.
• The cultural fascination with “Chineseness”—embodied by TikTok memes about “Chinese maxing”—adds to the allure. Per Sun (09:54): “It’s the idea that there is a country where things work that is far away from here.”

4. Peptide Adoption: From Bodybuilders to Tech Bros

Timestamp: 13:32

• The earliest adopters were bodybuilders on a message board called anabolicminds.com (2005), trading tips on muscle gains.
• Overlap developed with “biohackers” intent on self-experimentation. The "gray market" for research chemicals was typical.
• Ozempic’s role (16:08): The mainstreaming of injectable weight-loss drugs lowered the psychological barrier for at-home injections, opening the floodgates for interest in all kinds of peptides:
  • “Ozempic kind of opened the door because it introduced more people to the idea of peptides... GLP1s broke that seal for a lot of people.” (16:08)

5. Influencer Era: Marketing & the Maha Movement

Timestamp: 22:27

• Enter phase two: social media, alternative wellness influencers, and algorithm-driven hype.
• Ezra Marcus explains a new wave of “MAHA” (Medical Autonomy/Alternative Health) influencers, such as Gary Breca, who sell peptides directly to huge online audiences. This merges anti-establishment sentiment with the profit motive:
  • "Peptides were a way of taking your health into your own hands, with this sort of MAHA valence to it.” (23:59)
• A political dimension arises as well, with prominent figures (e.g., RFK Jr.) framing peptides as freedom-oriented alternatives to “regime medicine” and the FDA “war on peptides.” (24:49)
• Balaji Srinivasan (27:17): “Just like the SEC is trying to keep you from getting wealthy, we will soon see the FDA is protecting you from getting healthy.”

6. Skepticism Toward Medical Establishment

Timestamp: 25:55 – 30:04

• The pandemic and healthcare costs stoked distrust. Many see FDA approval as a barrier imposed by Big Pharma for profit motives.
• Sun: “A lot of anger with just healthcare costs makes people go like, there's something bad going on... you can get literally the same substance for $100 to $200 a month from a gray market Chinese source.” (29:18)

7. Teen Influence & Looksmaxing

Timestamp: 30:43

• Peptide adoption outpaces gym bros. The “looksmaxing” community—young men obsessed with physical enhancement—play a major role in mainstreaming peptides via viral social media content.
• Ezra Marcus: Highlights Clavicular, a teenage influencer who started testosterone at 14. His content ("Here’s my peptide stack") blends self-help with dangerous, misogynistic, and racist messages for viral attention.
  • Memorable exchange:
    • PJ: “Clavicular is a big advocate for bone smashing is a sentence I could have happily died without ever knowing.” (34:18)
• The business model: Provocation = Attention = Sales (courses, affiliate links, coaching); teens purchase injectables online, sometimes hiding them from parents.

8. Impact, Risks, and the Gray Market Dilemma

Timestamp: 46:21 – 49:31

• PJ asks Jasmine Sun if she’s tried peptides: She hasn’t, but admits strong temptation due to “real but anecdotal” testimonials and the allure of unsanctioned experimentation.
• Sun’s verdict:
  • Sympathetic to cautious, adult self-experimentation as a source of innovation (“I am a little sympathetic to the idea that people, adults who are aware of the risks, can run experiments on themselves... with Silicon Valley in particular, one thing I think is if this stuff really works, then someone is going to invest a lot of money and then taking it through the rest of the process...” (47:17, 49:31)
  • Strong concern about peptides hitting the mainstream or being actively marketed, especially to vulnerable teens, because the “do your own research” ethos offloads responsibility. (47:38)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On San Francisco’s “frontier” legacy:
  “There’s something about California and this sort of frontier ethic of people going west and getting as far away from the emperor’s view as they can.” – Jasmine Sun [04:50]

• On peptide meme power:
  “The term Chinese peptides is a memetic superweapon. Like you mention it at a party and everyone instantly is like coming over, like, what is that, what's your stack? Can I try it?” – Jasmine Sun [07:28]

• On Ozempic’s cultural impact:
  “Ozempic kind of opened the door... GLP1s broke that seal for a lot of people.” – Jasmine Sun [16:08]

• On FDA skepticism and gray markets:
  “Just like the SEC is trying to keep you from getting wealthy, we will now soon see: The FDA is protecting you from getting healthy.” – Quoting Balaji Srinivasan [27:17]

• On looksmaxing/teen anxiety:
  “They're like convincing a person who's 18 to have the anxieties of a person who's middle aged.” – PJ Vogt [37:58]

• On the risks of mainstreaming gray markets:
  “The thing about do your own research is it offloads responsibility from the person chilling to the person doing the drug. And I think a lot of people are gonna make mistakes.” – Jasmine Sun [47:38]

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 03:51 | Jasmine Sun introduction & beat | | 04:50 | “Frontier” anthropology of San Francisco | | 06:45 | Peptides, science basics | | 09:10 | “Chinese maxing” and China’s role | | 13:32 | Origin in bodybuilding forums | | 16:08 | Ozempic and needle normalization | | 22:27 | Influencer marketing & Maha adoption | | 24:49 | RFK Jr and anti-establishment frames | | 27:17 | Podcast quote—FDA “protecting you from being healthy”| | 29:18 | Rage at Big Pharma/foundations of gray market appeal| | 30:43 | Looksmaxing, teen influencers, Clavicular | | 37:58 | The “business model” and emotional impact on teens | | 46:21 | PJ asks Jasmine about personal peptide use | | 47:17 | The “gray market dilemma” for innovation | | 49:31 | Sun’s nuanced conclusion about risk and progress |

Final Thoughts

• PJ’s closing reflection:
  "A tech CEO trying some compound I've never heard of. Fine. Some Adonis young man with a syringe convincing teenagers online to buy his stack? Obviously not fine. It's the issue so often with any drug that it's not just the inherent riskiness or safety of the substance, it's the context around it."

• Sun’s pragmatic optimism:
  "Sometimes when you have people willing to take crazy risks, including failing a lot of the time and screwing stuff up, the rest of us can learn from that. And again, maybe we'll get something good out of it. Maybe we won't, but maybe we will."

Further Reading

• Jasmine Sun's Substack: [link in show notes]
• Ezra Marcus’s Peptides reporting at New York Magazine: [link in show notes]