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See Ball Get Ball with David Pollack
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David Pollock
What's up, everybody? David Pollock here of C Ball Get Ball podcast. I hope you like it, man. Be sure to follow the show Wherever you subscribe, YouTube or any of your other platforms. Welcome back into Sea Ball Get Ball. I'm David Pollock. Brent Rollins joining me as always. Brent, we took the week off, had a little vacation, Memorial Day. I hope everybody celebrated and honored those that they know that that served. What did the. What the Rollins family do, bro?
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Brent Rollins
Oh, we had a graduation right before that. So you got, you got a kid.
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David Pollock
Going to college now. How's that?
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Brent Rollins
I have a high school graduate and a kid who is going to college and today goes to be a part of the real world with a J, O, B. Oh, boy.
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David Pollock
Excited or upset?
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Brent Rollins
No, he's excited. He's excited. So, yeah, my, my oldest son is now a high school graduate and will be off to college in the fall. So outside of that, it was a lot of just relaxation, getting stuff done around the house. Baseball. We had baseball tournament this past weekend. So, you know, normal stuff.
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David Pollock
Still, still play baseball. Nice.
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Brent Rollins
What Last summer of that as well.
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David Pollock
Which to let everybody in on this at Sea Ball Get Ball. Brent loves it. Deanna loves it. His wife loves it. Like they are a baseball aholic family. They go to all the baseball stadiums across mlb. Like they, it's not a chore for them. For, for others like me, it was very much a chore to be a part of baseball and very thankful that we graduated from that part of our lives.
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Brent Rollins
But, but you had fun with it. You enjoyed it. Don't, don't lie. Don't lie. Now, I will say I don't enjoy driving 85 to 285 to east Cobb and all that area consistently. But other than that is, that's probably.
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David Pollock
Where the majority of our listeners come from, is for people that are commuting, you know, like, that's, you know, I drove to, to Panama City, we went to the beach, to Carolina Beach. It was awesome. And you just, it's awesome to just put podcasts in your ear. And so that's, that's what we're here to do, is to talk about college football. And, you know, we're getting closer and closer.
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Brent Rollins
Brent, speaking of that, let me, let me trivia you on that. How many days until week zero, those games where we got Dublin with Iowa State, Kansas State.
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David Pollock
I'm gonna guess 71, 82.
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Brent Rollins
Okay, 82 days. So we are, it is right around the quarter, 87 days until the Thursday night with Nebraska, Cincinnati, and then 89 days until to me, the official kickoff of the season with the week one and all the great games that day. There was some fun news by the way, that was, that happened a lot of talking but also some fun stuff while we were away. And one is the David Pollock prediction coming 1000% spot on true. I feel like you had insider information that you lied about and the COVID of the EA Sports college football game. The two different covers were released and as you predicted back in I think March is maybe when we discussed or something of that nature. Yeah. Ryan Williams and Jeremiah Smith were on the main cover. So did you in fact have insider information and you just lied to everybody?
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David Pollock
I didn't. They're not allowed to give me insider information. I would have taken it. But EA Sports, they're, they're fantastic. I love working with them. That's one of my favorite groups I've worked with. But they are very protective of their game. Like they don't want things to get out like when, when the, the leak got out about the people at the place. Like they were so upset. They just, they like to, they take a lot of pride in what they do, which I think is really, really cool. No, but to me it made the most sense. I think Jeremiah Smith obviously finished the season with a bang again. Jeremiah, Ryan Williams started the season last year with a bang and everybody was 17 year old. 17 year old. And I'm going to say this now, Brent, and this will, this will catch on throughout the season. I think people look at Jeremiah Smith in a tear of his own in college football, which he's earned the right to be there to make what he wants. Ryan Williams with a QB that's really, really good is going to be right there close to that tier one. Like he is that kind of good. You get a guy that on schedule because he's, he can contort his body better than anybody, anybody I've ever seen for going as fast as he goes. He's little, he's more Devonte Smith than he is, you know, big, huge A.J. brown type like, like Jeremiah Smith is. But Ryan Williams is a freak show and he's going to put on a show this college football season.
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Brent Rollins
Yeah. If you're staying Alabama Realm, you would win. He's more Ryan devonte Smith than Julio Jones. Yeah, but. Yeah, but anyway, it was.
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David Pollock
They had the trailer.
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Brent Rollins
I thought. Did you see the trailer for it? I thought that was. That's awesome. Like it gets you excited for the game which by the way the game comes out July 10th and I wonder if most all the people that get the game now instead of hey, let's go to the store and buy it or I pre order and it shows up on my doorstep, download the game gets downloaded.
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David Pollock
You're showing your age a little bit, Brent. You don't go to the store and buy games anymore. You upload them onto your console. Like you just. It's fantastic. It's, it's. Now listen, those GameStop days, bro, they were fantastic. When you knew a game was coming out or you could go buy used games, everybody out there that's our age is like, absolutely, I remember that. But now, man, you just upload it onto your software and however fast your Internet is, you know, you get to get it that fast. And, and last year I remember they pre ordered them, you know, like a week or a couple weeks in advance and sold millions of pre orders which meant millions upon millions of more dollars because the excitement level was through the roof. Listen, here's the cool thing about this game. It changes. It's going to get better every year. Like they just continue to find ways, when we did our voiceover stuff for it, like they're going to continue to find things that they thought would that need to improve and we're going to address it and I think the, the dynasty modes and there's, there'll be more, there'll be more stuff with trophies and all kinds of cool things that they've added to the game that I think people are going to continue to enjoy.
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Brent Rollins
Georgia's Daniel Harris got, he was goaded and heroed in the game. So at the beginning of it, like the clip is him getting scored on by Williams and then during the trailer he's, you know, has the Savage pads has a pick. So they were picking on him for some reason. And then they also had the deluxe cover, by the way. So we were both right. You were right with the main cover in the two. I was right in terms of my three that I picked, they were on the deluxe cover. Now granted, I had a lot more chances with that, but Club Nick, Caleb Downs and and Jeremiah Love were in the deluxe one. But a bunch of other, yeah, Tebow, Reggie Bush, Denard Robinson, coaches, mascots, fans and Bryson by the way, paying homage.
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David Pollock
To the past, which is, which is kind of cool. Coaches this year being in the game is new. That hasn't been a, that hasn't been a thing. So that's, that's going to be exciting too. But again, there'll always be little tweaks, man. But yeah, you got, you got, you got that one. Right. All of your 75 guys you guessed to be on the COVID So I.
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Brent Rollins
Just, I just kept it to the same format they had a year ago. They had three a year ago. So I said, all right, I'm gonna pick three. By the way, the Bryce Underwood thing, I, I mean I get that he's a high recruit and there was a lot of hype around him being there, but I don't know that I'd be cover game type deal.
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David Pollock
But did you, did you watch his, did you watch the spring game?
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Brent Rollins
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I did. I mean, I'm excited to see him looks and by the way, it looked like the trailer clip was almost a very similar type deal from that. But anyway.
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David Pollock
Well, I'm just saying, like first impression when you watch him in the spring game was what he can play. Yeah, I mean to me, to me he looked like, he looked like a freshman. He looked like a guy that was, was, was learning and that was going to learn. But like again, the way they do their spring game, everybody does spring games different. They'll, some teams will do drafts, some teams will be first team, second team. Some teams will set you up to success. They don't. Michigan doesn't do like all their best players on his offense. So, you know, you don't work with the same guys obviously that you'll be working with during the season. But I thought he was pretty good, but it looked like a kid that was going to take some time. But if I'm a Michigan fan, like what I got last year, like I feel confident he can step in and give me better than what he, what he gave me last year and oh yeah, that's what, that's what I think I'd be excited about. The future, I think is super, super bright. I don't, I don't think he's going to step in and put up huge game breaking numbers week in and week out. I think it's going to take time. Just like it takes most kids time. But you can see the, the big arm, I mean, huge arm, huge arm, like he can sling it. You can see the little bit of mobility. Obviously in the spring game you're not running a lot, but I think there's a lot of excitement to be had for Michigan. But I will say, like, I don't think it's going to be right away. Like, I don't think it's going to be game one, game two. I think it's going to take some time and some reps and getting a rhythm, getting the flow because he'll just get better from spring to. To practice number one to practice number 13 to. To. To first game.
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Brent Rollins
So what you're saying is, is people can aggregate you and say that Oklahoma is going to beat Michigan early in the season.
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David Pollock
Listen, I don't think that's outside the realm.
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Brent Rollins
No.
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David Pollock
By any stretch Oklahoma, Oklahoma I think is going to be one of the most improved teams in the country, period. Like when you get mater and you get our buckle together and now you've now ought at running back. Like if anybody watched Oklahoma's defense last year, you had a lot to like. Like you had a lot to like. And here's the thing. You know what, Brent? I will I if you told me to pick that game right now it's a pick them because I think, I think Oklahoma comes in, is going to come in with more continuity with quarterback and play caller. Oklahoma has the best defensive line in the sec. Like I know that for a fact. Like I've watched those guys. They're inside. If you want to run a football on those defensive tackles, they are a handful. Venables will have them playing. They also play a style Oklahoma plays. If I was a defensive lineman, which I was okay. And you're telling me that I could go play in a style. You know what, you know what style I want to play in, Brit? I want to play in Oklahoma. Like I want to penetrate. I want to, I want to, I want to stunt. I want to move. I don't want a 2 gap. I don't want. I want to be in that where I can go make plays. Tfls get you behind the sticks, man. Like that Oklahoma game versus Michigan. If you think that's a, that's an easy game to pick, I would disagree. And I think it's a pick them at worst and I might even lean Oklahoma because what they have.
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Brent Rollins
You're going to have a couple games. I think that's game three maybe if I remember right.
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David Pollock
Yeah.
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Brent Rollins
For Michigan because they suspended their coach for not that game, I think or they made it to where he could coach that game. You would have been happy by the way with, with USC's Twitter account. I know you're here for the petty and the trolling. So obviously recently Dan Lanning jumped in the pool with the five star kid in a very just kind of interesting way when that kid committed who is now I think uncommitted to Oregon, but the five star tight end Mark Bowman committed to usc and then they did the Ron Burgundy cannonball jumping into a pool on their Twitter feed. I just thought that was funny and something that I know you would have enjoyed.
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David Pollock
It's awesome. That's. That, like, these social media teams, man, they deserve a raise. A lot of these squads, like, they just do such a good job of, like, finding ways. This is our new world, right? Like, this is our ways to. This is our ways to troll. This is our way to have some fun, poke some fun. Listen, I. I wish we weren't all so friendly most of the time in rivalries. I didn't have that back in my day, okay? I. I mother freaking hated a lot of schools. I didn't want to talk to their players. I didn't want to associate with their players. Now everybody goes to camps and stuff, man. They get friendly and it's just. It's a different world. And I'm always here for the petty. You're right. You said that to start. I'm here for the trolling. I'm here for the taking shots. I'm here for Tron Moore shooting arrows across the field at Ryan Day. Like, I'm. I'm here for all of that, man. That's what makes this sport so fun, so unique. The fan bases, the. The. The history, the. The bands, all the stuff that is just. It's. It's. It's all. It's awesome.
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Brent Rollins
All right, so actual football, kind of. One thing that, that was while we were away was the seating. And it's going to be straight seating this year, at least in the. The 2025 College Football Playoff format. So if you look back, so first off, no more of you getting upset when we have the ranking show and this team is ranked 12th, but they're in the four seed business. You.
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David Pollock
You don't act like that wasn't a rightful way to get upset. Like, I'm sitting there when, when you do all this work and you love this sport, then you're like, oh, okay, they're right. They're ranked 4, but they're a 1. What? What? Like, just make this. Like, I'm not very bright, okay? Like, Steve Ball, get ball defense. This is what we need. It very simplistic. We don't need two sets of numbers on a graphic. When you're looking at things like, good job. This is not. This is not difficult. Seed them for us. Make it easy, make it. Make it all uniformed, and we don't have to get confused.
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Brent Rollins
All right? So we would have had last year, would have had Oregon 1, Georgia 2, Texas 3, Penn State, 4. Those would have been the four teams with Buys and then your other matchups 12, 5, Clemson, Notre Dame, Boise State, Indiana, Arizona State, Ohio State would have been in, in the first round and then smu, Tennessee. So if seeds would have hold your, your second round games, your quarterfinal games, Oregon, Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Ohio State and then Penn State, Notre Dame. So we saw two of those or three of them actually, because Oregon or Georgia and Tennessee played in the regular season. So do you think anything at all gets altered from how this, the playoff went? If the seating was straight seating?
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David Pollock
I think Oregon a year ago, a lot better.
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Brent Rollins
I, I, that's, that's the, the numero uno to me, top of the list is that their life would have been way better and you know, got some confidence potentially likely playing game one in a different realm again than versus Live State again.
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David Pollock
Yeah, I mean, listen, I, I don't think we're arguing the outcome. Ohio State put it together and, and was, was sensational. I mean they were so good. But I do think that, I do think that makes a difference because your, your, your first game for, for Oregon is, is a win. Now listen, they played Boise and it was a good game during the season, but they would have been obviously, obviously favored. But this is, this is good moving forward. This is, this is rewarding. Teams that do the best during the regular season, which, which is what we talk about. Like that's, that's all we have. Like everybody wants to talk about strength of schedule and, and numbers and metrics that they want to use whatever metrics you want to use. Like there's still metrics, there's still whatever you want to favor and you can favor different things in different metrics if you really, really want to. So I think that it's, you know, take the, take the whole regular season, do the best you can for seating purposes and, and then I think you benefit the teams obviously the most with the matchups and it's, it's not, that's not difficult. That's very easy. Not. What was difficult was okay, if you want a conference championship, you get an automatic buy. If you, I mean that was the part that was difficult. Like now you make it, now you make it very clean, very easy.
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Brent Rollins
Logic prevailed.
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David Pollock
Yeah, it's amazing thing. If we could do more of that at the ncaa, life would be much better for our sport.
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Brent Rollins
We're going to get to the thing that is, I don't know how, where logic comes into play. We'll get that here in a little bit. But. So the SEC had their, I guess spring the meetings that in Destin where TV sets up for a week and every coach and athletic director gets to talk to Fine Bomb.
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David Pollock
And Lane really loves that, doesn't he?
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Brent Rollins
He, there's like a four minute clip of those two just going back and forth. That was awesome.
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David Pollock
Lane is, Lane is so unique, so different. I, I just, that's why I love him. And I think when he was younger everybody naturally like because he was so different and polarizing and he was a different person them now like I, I just, I think a lot of Lane, I think he, he, he, he has heard what, what Fine Bomb says and Fine Bomb has been extremely negative and Fine Bomb will attack coaches at an all time level. Like, and he doesn't, he doesn't, he's not a guy that you're going to look at and go, oh yeah, he knows the game. It's what he's heard, it's what will draw eyeballs, it's what people will react to. And that's. I think it bothers Lane and Lane's one of the few that would be like, nah, nah, nah, I'm not playing this game. Like I know I have to do this because of the media rights because they own them. But at the same time kick rocks and I think that's fantastic. He still fulfills his obligation. He doesn't skip it. But he's not going to sit up there to a guy that like, you know, character assassinated him and made fun of him. And if he doesn't want to do it, he doesn't have to do it. It's fantastic.
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Brent Rollins
Seems like it just a almost mutual respect there game and fun that they have with each other now in terms of actual conversation that came out of it. I thought the biggest thing to me was Kirby being sort of adamant about the portal and saying that there should be one portal window in January because that's not normally his style. His style is, hey, just give me you typically what are the rules? Tell me the rules and I'll go live under them and, and exist around them and try to be, you know, work to my advantage competitively and do the best I can within that. But he was actually sort of on the offensive a little bit with some of his comments this past week. And that actually by the way brought some C ball get ball attention because we had talked to Dan Mullen back in March and Dan Mullen said the exact same thing, hey, just give me my team. Give me one poor window in January. Give me my team. So I put the clip of him talking about that on the show and then some other outlets kind of said, hey, this is what Dan Mullen said. But anyway, I thought that was interesting from Kirby.
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David Pollock
Well, it's got to change. You know, talking to these staffs and these guys, man, it's just. It's a nightmare.
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Brent Rollins
They.
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David Pollock
They haven't. Their calendar that they used to. That used to exist in college football was so friendly, like, compared to what they are now and what they're asked to do and how they have to recruit their own roster. I think it's interesting that he says January and he's a team builder. That's what he does. So he has an opinion that I think is obviously what he thinks is best for the sport. I'm just curious why it's not. Maybe, like, I would want to make it May. I would. And I'm talking about if I'm building a roster, because if it's January, your roster is going to get pillaged during the season. Hate that. Like, I can't stand that. Like, if it's May, those guys, those young guys get a chance to now go through some spring, you know, get through some off season and other guys are gone. A chance to kind of prove themselves, maybe step into that box, step into a window that. That didn't exist. And then right there in May, now I kind of understand what my roster is. I've been with those guys for a while and now I know the holes to fill. I just feel like January, I don't love January because I just don't love the idea of poaching. And I think during a season you saw last year, people basically committing after the season to go play somewhere else. Like, actually the season was still going on.
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Brent Rollins
Like, so you saw, you know, these quarterback, basically, after playing, well said, I'm going to the portal.
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David Pollock
Well, and then that was. I think they, they. They didn't pay him what he was deserved or what.
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Brent Rollins
There was other issues there.
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David Pollock
But still during the season, yeah, there's some business to that, but there's. I just think that you still have some of that flirtation. And again, Kirby knows infinitely more than I do about roster building and what he would like to do. But I just think that May window would make, you know, a lot of sense that you've kind of had a chance to say. Because here's another thing too. People get. People get hired, people get fired. And a lot of times, man, unless you give it a chance, you really don't know what it might be and what it could become. Right. Like, yeah, a lot of times you Take off right away. And I'm going to follow a coach and half the roster leaves. And you got a coach that just took 26 guys. And I think you could change some of that, too. It has to be done. It has to go to one window. It has to go there to make these lives easier for, for everybody that's doing this, to make the commitment stronger for the kids. At some point, we need contracts in this game. Another thing, too. I think that would be fantastic. You know, Brent, I told you I want to offer solutions. I think solutions. Anybody can get in front of a microphone and talk about problems. There's a million problems. Right? But I think, I think the interesting thing. I told you I want a freshman. I want a freshman salary cap.
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Brent Rollins
Yeah, we talked about it last time.
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David Pollock
Yeah, I, I want that. But here's another thing, too. If you want to add some variance that makes this a little bit more fun, here's how you do the freshman cap. Every team gets X for their freshman. $2 million, $3 million, whatever that number is. Now, you do it like a draft. First pick, second pick, third pick, fourth pick, fifth pick, six pick. Like that way you can prioritize, give.
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Brent Rollins
Them freedom to maneuver that number.
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David Pollock
There's some skill in there, Brent. There's some skill to that. Instead of just you being able to sign everybody at the same number. Okay. If somebody prioritizes someone else more and I want to make you the first pick, then, then I'm going to pay you X, you know, and so I think there's still an evaluation that's really cool. It's still, I think it still lends itself to spreading the, the, the, the, the players out as opposed to them all going to one school, like. Right, because you can still, you know, file in a bunch of guys to a, to a certain school and build a bunch of depth. Because, because if you're watching college football right now, Phil or Brent, putting, putting my roster together, like me picking teams now and saying, who's going to be great? Who's. This is the, the depth is the worst I've ever seen it. Like, you just go, I know this, I know this. But I never used to go to Georgia's roster and depend on freshmen. Never. You didn't do that. You never saw in Alabama's run that you, you depended on freshmen. Like, you had guys come in after two years of red shirting, developing in a program that you stayed. Now they're going to get paid somewhere else. So it's totally different. But I think that rookie salary cap would do a good job of. Again, we limit some of this craziness of coming in and getting stuff that you haven't necessarily earned yet but still slotting and making it where it's still you have to be, have a good staff and you have to recruit well and prioritize.
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Brent Rollins
Well, concur I must. I was, I was a little shocked to hear the May comment from you right there because I mean just from hearing the coaches talk, hey, if I know my team in January or February, wherever that date, I can now go into spring practice knowing that that's my team and build my team through spring practice or at least the start of it. Which does. If you went May or if you went to stay within the academic calendar, could you then push all the off season thing and make it more NFL like where there's, you know, the OTA.
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David Pollock
Pieces and we're already trending that way anyways. Right. Like why not?
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Brent Rollins
Right.
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David Pollock
Yeah. And the spring, the spring ball to me is not spring ball is not for older kids. Spring ball is all for development. Like. And so I think I have a chance to, I mean you could do it after the, whenever you do spring ball in May and you do the last, last date in May, like you kind of went through spring ball. You know exactly what you have. That's, that's kind of what my thought process is. If somebody gets hurt. I know like somebody didn't pan out. I know. But yeah, like I think you get more of a realistic term of what your team. Yeah. You're going to, you're going to lose some guy. I don't think you're going to lose your as many impact guys in May. Like I think those guys are going to, most of those guys are going to stay on your roster. But I think from a depth standpoint and, and guys getting an opportunity to go perform and getting an opportunity to go win a spot like some of these freshmen can go win a spot as opposed to. If I pay somebody money when they come in, it's just like the NFL when you get paid like you're going to play like that's just the way it's going to work. Like there's not going to be if it's even or close. I'm paying them money. I need to return on my investment.
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Brent Rollins
Yep. And get more chances to fail. Things like that.
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David Pollock
Yeah.
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Brent Rollins
The other, I think interesting comment that came out of that and then we'll see if you had any others but Kaylin DeBoer talked about being left out of the playoff and his quote was, you wonder what would have happened if other people would have played our schedule. I wouldn't have went there without. If I was him, I wouldn't have went there.
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David Pollock
I love Kaylin DeBoer's personality. Like, I think he was a good mix for. I think Alabama's a top 10 team, no doubt about it, to start college football. I, I don't love this. You know, I'm not going to love this because.
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Brent Rollins
No, you cry me a river. Sorry.
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David Pollock
You again feel a lot more compassion for Alabama if they didn't lose to Vanderbilt in Oklahoma. Like, you played a tough schedule 100%. You beat some really good teams. You lost to two very average teams. Like, and Vandy was better. Oklahoma was like they were under 500 this season. Like, I just, I'm not, I'm not going there. I still think he's, he's done a good job retaining his roster. I think their, their squad's going to be good. Him hiring Grub was, was a big deal. We talked about that weeks and weeks and weeks ago. I think it's huge. I think it's enormous. Like, because, because when I watched Alabama I just honestly I didn't know what I was going to get week to week. Like, and you can say Milroe but like the passing game and the passing, you know, is that what they're going to hang their hat on? Is it, is it QB run? Like, I just. The identity was kind of up and down wishy washy and I think that can help it. But just I, I don't love these comments can make them.
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Brent Rollins
I wouldn't went there if I was him.
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David Pollock
Yeah, I didn't love it.
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Brent Rollins
That's just one for me where you've got to be like, hey, we had our schedule. Our schedules are in. We didn't do good. We didn't do good enough. We got to be better. Like that's all you got to say. But anyway, was there any. Anything else interesting from a commentary standpoint with the SEC folks that. That stood out to you?
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David Pollock
No.
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Brent Rollins
We're going to get to the other big topic.
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David Pollock
Lane Kiffins. Was, was that, was that on yours?
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Brent Rollins
Well, no, I just.
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David Pollock
Did you see Lane kids?
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Brent Rollins
So just the 16 best.
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David Pollock
Yeah.
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Brent Rollins
Yeah.
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David Pollock
Well. And I think that, I think that naturally you go. Makes a lot of sense, I think. But, but Brent, what determines what's best? You know, and I think that's the like doing the exercise. Like we did the exercise and we revisited the. What season was that? It was the Texas. Golly. I Can't even remember what season we did. I had a different result actually. And we actually, we actually had a different result. We had revisionist history too. But like when you get in a room and you do that exercise and you start going through, you know, common opponents and strength of record and all that stuff, it's more difficult than you think. And that's why you want as many people in that room that have, you know, football experience, that can watch tape, that can, that understand rivalries, that understand injuries, all the stuff that goes into it. So I think determine. Yeah, 16 best sedum. That's, that's great. Two buys would be awesome. Now you start playing games. Home games were fantastic. I want to keep home games, you know, intact. I thought that was awesome for the playoffs. But that was another thing I think too that people resonated with and, and 16 is the number I think we ultimately get to. It's just a matter of, you know, how soon.
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Brent Rollins
So that was the last thing to, to talk about is the playoff format conversation, which by the way, these meetings very much like I'm in academia by day, these meetings very much reminded me of an academic meeting where there's just conversation ad nauseam. And in terms of like actual action steps and things that truly change and happen, it's not much of anything. It's more just conversation to be conversation. It's like a shrink session in a way. Yes. So, but the, the thing that did come out of that is a almost similar semi united stance that they're. They didn't want the sort of 44-422-automatic quality, the multiple automatic qualifier format and that they're more going to be in support of a five plus 11 format that you, at least in terms of how you see it branded, where it's the five conference or the power four conference champions plus the G5 highest ranked G5 champions. So five champions plus 11 at large teams. Is. Is that what it gets to do you think that's where it goes? Because that's 16, obviously. And there's too much dynamic here with the SEC, the Big Ten driving all this. And I think that's easy to say.
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David Pollock
I think that's an easy thing to say when all the stockholders are at the table. But pretty soon the stockholders account for just two people. Like all those shares are going to two people and the big 10 in the SEC are going to make their schedules and listen, they're the best leagues, they're the most powerful leagues, they're making the most money. It makes sense for them to have more automatic qualifiers. To me, like it makes sense. I mean, the, the road is more difficult. The teams obviously are better. I mean, you don't have to, you don't have to turn on the NFL draft to figure that out. But look at the NFL draft with, with the teams like it was head and shoulders, those two leagues. Leagues. Dom, that doesn't mean the ACC doesn't have good teams, the Big 12 doesn't have good teams, but it does mean there's not as many and there's not as many chances to trip up and to slip up. So I think, I think we'll get back to that. I do, I think there'll be more automatic qualifiers for, for, for the sec, for the Big Ten, and I'm fine with it because I do think their gauntlet is way more difficult than, you know, you talk about people that want to challenge themselves at a conference. And like if you challenge yourself at a conference and in conference, there's a chance you're going to lose a bunch of games and if you lose a bunch of games, you're out of it. You're on the outside looking in. And that's not, you know, that's not what you want either. You want, you want those out of conference games that can be, can be really good. So I think that, I think it'll change when, when, next year when the SEC in the, and the Big Ten, they garner all the power because then they'll make all the decisions.
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Brent Rollins
Yeah, it's an interesting read a little bit about it. The timing aspect is what's most interesting about it to me because the SEC has to do their schedule moving forward and there's certain timelines for their schedule. It's like, hey, do we go to nine conference games versus eight? So there's timing, there's, did you see the, some of the stuff from Brett Murphy was the one that I saw. But they SEC provided a seven page document to the media showing the quote, regular season gauntlet that they face. No other conference has a regular season as grueling as the SEC's. I, I, that was another one of those, like, yeah, everybody kind of knows that. Why, why do you need to say it? Why do you need to have a press release for it? I was, I don't, I don't understand some of the stuff.
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David Pollock
Stuff. It's just, well, just let it be. Why, why do we got to live.
- [32:20]
Brent Rollins
In the media world with all these things? But, well, fine, it gives us stuff to talk about.
- [32:24]
David Pollock
It gives us great stuff to talk about. You're right. Which is fantastic. But I think everybody, everybody has that does this has rabbit ears and they hear all the things and they're trying to, to squash some of the things. But what they don't realize is it doesn't matter. Like it's just like with us. I could say the nicest things in the history of the world. Going back to Oklahoma, Michigan. I can talk about Michigan and how great they are. The moment I say Oklahoma is going to win, you hate Michigan. Like it's just the way it is. Like. And guess what, Brent, this is another reason why it's the greatest sport on the planet and it's not close is because the fans are so passionate, irrational, sometimes angry, sometimes belligerent. Yes. Give it all to me. I want it all. I want all of that in this game. And so you're not going to please everybody. It's not going to happen. Let me ask you a question though, Brent. When you look at the SEC and you look at top to bottom and you look at who you have to play, is there a debate with any conference?
- [33:27]
Brent Rollins
I don't think so.
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David Pollock
No.
- [33:29]
Brent Rollins
Like even last year for me, like Ohio State didn't have to break a sweat into Oregon.
- [33:34]
David Pollock
Like the bottom. Well, Michigan might have something to say.
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Brent Rollins
About that in their schedule. In their schedule. I mean what was it six or seven games into the season before they played Oregon?
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David Pollock
Yeah.
- [33:45]
Brent Rollins
Versus the Hey, I can get beat, potentially get beat by some of these teams on a week to week basis. Now Nebraska by the way might have something to say about that because they challenged, almost beat Ohio State. But I, I do think the week to week part of it because you're, and it's not so much. Here's, here's my general thought about this. College football to me has always been six to seven teams every year. Our national championship or bust. After that it's, you know, everything is kind of difficult and that's, you know, road versus away. Did you play a big time game the week before and now you got to go on the road to a not as big time game. Injuries matter. Weather mat like all the random things matter after those sort of six to eight teams. But now I think you're getting to where because of NI on the transfer portal the 6 to 8 is a little more and the, the gap between 6 to 8 and the rest is not nearly as what it used to be. And that's. And I think getting a little bit more.
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David Pollock
I think it's a lot more than six to eight now.
- [34:53]
Brent Rollins
Yeah, exactly.
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David Pollock
Yeah.
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Brent Rollins
I think, I mean we asked when we had to talk to pay like what's your line for the national championship? And the line is seemingly deeper potentially.
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David Pollock
But, but, but, but how many years did we go? Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson? You're good. Like for. There's a, There's a solid 10 years where you're, where you're pretty good. Like you've encapsulated, you've encapsulated the, the national championship. It's like, all right, you got those four and now you're definitely starting to stretch it. But I, I don't think that's not an insult to, to the Big Ten because, because the SEC has, has teams that are beatable every year and that can be beat and that are, aren't the best of teams. But it's just, you know, with Indiana doing what Indiana did last year and I think they're going to do it again this year.
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Brent Rollins
Yes.
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David Pollock
Like in the Big Ten, having the national champion the last two years, that gap the last couple of years is closed tremendously. And the Big Ten, the Big Ten is very much in the mix. Just top to bottom, having those teams week in and week out that you can beat. Or I guess the better way to say it is teams that can beat you. Like, yeah, Ohio State can play their C game and beat just about everybody on their schedule. Like that's every year. That's, that's a fun life to live. But, but they still obviously are national champions and had a heck of a season. But I do think the. But I, I don't want to hear you talk about it. I don't need a seven page document for you. Defending doesn't. It doesn't, doesn't do anything for me. When I see that it doesn't go. You know what? I feel really sorry for them. Nope.
- [36:30]
Brent Rollins
All right, last but not least, does the Pacers Thunder finals do anything for you? Because I know you're a basketball aficionado here.
- [36:39]
David Pollock
How does it not do something for you?
- [36:42]
Brent Rollins
Like, I think it's your first basketball matchup.
- [36:44]
David Pollock
Listen, if you're going on brands, sure, but it's, it's not what you want. It sucks. But if you're going on watching the games, dude, like this will be the best defensive series and the best effort series you've ever seen. Like they both, they're going to pick up, they're going to play defense, they're going to get in your shorts. Indiana plays 90ft of man to man defense. I mean literally, they're going to pick you up the whole time. You know, OKC has four all defensive guys that are in this league like they are. This is going to be unbelievable. You got superstars on both sides. I know Halliburton. People don't talk about him as much if you're watching his game. He's unbelievable. Like he's ridiculous. SGA obviously is. Is getting mentioned with Jordan and Kobe and some of those guys for some of the numbers he's putting up too. So I'm all in, bro. I'm going to be sad when the NBA playoffs is gone because I've, I've loved watching. I'm telling you, man, the physical brand, they've. They've let people hold and they've let people, you know, be physical again. And I enjoy watching the NBA playoffs this year. A lot of.
- [37:46]
Brent Rollins
One of these days I think they'll actually make it to where their playoffs are peaking around when the. In terms of the calendar, right before football starts, it feels like they should own July. But that's just, you know, whatever. I do agree, I'm interested because the Pacers to me play like the Steve Nash sons play. Constant movement, speed ball movement. Everybody's a threat for the most part. To score and shoot a three like that, that to me, it's enjoyable to watch especially when the game's up and down like that. That's how that game to me is supposed to be played so well.
- [38:22]
David Pollock
And I like that. You know, it's C ball, get ball. We didn't say what kind of ball. Like basketball, you gotta see the ball. You got to get the ball. So we can talk a little bit of, of everything. A little bit, yeah.
- [38:32]
Brent Rollins
A little bit minimal baseball, a little.
- [38:34]
David Pollock
Bit of basketball, tiny bit of baseball. Let's not get. We, we talked about you and we talked about you and the kids liking baseball. That was more than enough.
- [38:43]
Brent Rollins
So more than.
- [38:44]
David Pollock
I hope everybody gets their. Gets their week started off on the right foot. We will be back Wednesday and we'll continue our schedule. We don't know what we'll do in the fall yet. If you guys got any suggestions, we might take them. But we're definitely going to be after games again. I think that was some of the most, you know, watched stuff we did and give you instant analysis, recap why things happen right away so you can, you can talk about it throughout the week.
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Brent Rollins
And Wednesday, by the way, Wednesday, I'm pretty sure we're confirmed for that for Wednesday. Right. So that's going to be fun.
- [39:13]
David Pollock
I think we got a nice little Cody Alexander Yes.
- [39:16]
Brent Rollins
The off we had the offensive side on talking to coach Dan Casey last week or two weeks ago. Now we're gonna go to the C ball, get ball defensive side, which is.
- [39:26]
David Pollock
Which is really cool. And hopefully that's something that, that you appreciate, you know, like what the trends that are going around college football and the why behind them. And, you know, what, what to look forward to kind of projecting into the season of what you'll see defensively. We already did it. Like Brent said, offensively. Wednesday, join us. We'll get Cody Alexander and we'll do the defense.
- [39:46]
Brent Rollins
Awesome. Excited for that.