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David Pollack ONE-ON-ONE with Iowa State Head Coach Jimmy Rogers
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Jimmie Rogers
And how about that Pollock interception in the end zone.
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Podcast Host David
Well, it's David Pollock and I think
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Jimmie Rogers
people are going to learn what kind of ball player is.
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Podcast Host David
He's got a heart of a line.
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Jimmie Rogers
I'm really proud of that kid. This is Seaball get ball, college football's top show for football analysis, predictions and coach interviews. Now here's your host, three time all American, seven time Emmy award winner, David.
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Podcast Host David
All right, excited to continue the series of all the new power four coaches. We're getting them all on and coach, I'm excited, excited about this one. Again, just like coach Pat Fitzgerald. It's not often where you got these defensive coaches, man, these players that play defense. Hey, the name of the pod C ball. Get ball like you're a guy. Hey, that like to hunt dude. 3 time all conference 4 year starter. Like come on, man.
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, I've always been a defensive guy. I just have older brothers that play defense. I grew up with it and then just my experience in coaching has always been on the defensive side of the ball. So I just, I believe in winning on defense and being able to run the football and wear people out and the, just the toughness and the mindset, what it comes with playing defense. I've always just, it's kind of my mentality.
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Podcast Host David
Well that's awesome. We need more of that in this world. That is for sure. Hey, what do you, what do you think real quick now that you mentioned that just I feel like defense has made a comeback, man. I do feel like the pendulum, you Know, for several years, man, it was like, holy cow. It's like first to 40, and then now it does feel like we've kind of had some momentum back the other direction to defense actually might win championships, and you got to have one.
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah. I think when you look at the overall success of the teams that have won championships, it usually comes down to running the football well and being able to execute on offense, but it comes down to great defense. Still in the NFL, if, you know the Seahawks and what they were able to do this year, it's extremely impressive. But when, you know, Saban with Alabama and Georgia with Kirby, smart, like, those guys are masterminds on defense, and they've had a lot of success. And. And maybe over the years, Coach Saban's mindset is maybe you got to score more points because it's an offensive league, but offensively, there's always been creativity inside of scheme, and that has always evolved. But I feel like nowadays it's. Defensively, you're seeing more disguise and more creativity on defense as far as attacking offenses. And it's. It's made it much harder on offense to score.
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Podcast Host David
Yeah, way harder. Which. Which is. Which is good. Coach, when you took this job, why. Why was Iowa State a job that Jimmie Rogers wanted to go take?
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, I would say just being out here in the Midwest, I'm originally from Chandler, Arizona. I played my ball and coached majority of my career, 90% of my career at South Dakota State. And so knowing this area, you know, my. My family, my wife is from South Dakota. I've recruited this area for my entire career. Had the opportunity to come up here for prospect camps, and the previous staff was always awesome with letting visiting coaches in to work with, you know, players and be able to evaluate the talent. And every time I came up, I just. This was always a place that I would, you know, dreamt of coming. And I like Iowa. I like the people of Iowa. I like the players in which I've been able to coach over the years. And although at times it, you know, a lot of people feel like this is remote because it's not a huge populated area and it's. You don't have huge, big cities, I would say the kids are wired the right way and they're raised the right way, and they come with. They're great morals and they're easier to coach and relate to. And I just have had a lot of success coaching the Iowa kids positionally and just on defense. And so having the opportunity to come back here at a great university and have the opportunity to compete in the Big 12 at the highest levels and punching a ticket into the College Football Playoff. Those are all things that extremely intriguing to me, trying to do it at the highest level and chase championships.
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Podcast Host David
Coach, when. When you just. You just described, like, every. Every, you know, everybody who has a daughter the man they want to marry.
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Jimmie Rogers
Right?
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Podcast Host David
Like, you want to find the guy with the right morals, the right character. For a long time in our business, I would have told you, you can win, but you can't win big with that. But something in college football has changed, man. And the way that the talent is spread out and the way that recruiting is now and nil and just the whole world of college football because Indy fricking Anna just won a national championship. So, I mean, does it feel like the same thing for you? Like, why. Why can't Iowa State do that?
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Jimmie Rogers
Well, I believe that you can, and I think you need to get the right people in this building. I believe that we have that. And over the years, as we have success, we'll continue to grow and become better and better. But I believe in team right together. Everyone achieves more and more. I believe in culture, and I believe in, you know, toughness, because I still think if you can get your players to play with their hair on fire and you can get them to play with a certain level of edge and physicality, anybody can win these days. And so that's how we plan on winning here, with having the right players in this building and wanting to grind people out and being tougher than people.
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Podcast Host David
Coach, you. I've read a ton about you, especially leading up to this, and the words that I hear is, like. The words that I read are honest, serious. I saw somebody said rbf, the face. Like, is that always? Or do you have a side to you where you do let loose and you do, like, have fun and let it rip, or are you pretty serious all the time?
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, I would say when the players get to know me and when people get to know me, yeah, they get used to just. This is just how I look. But I am when it comes to football, when it comes to, like, practicing, when it comes to the X's and O's and teaching, yeah, I probably have a more serious tone than a lighthearted tone pretty consistently. But, I mean, I like to have fun. People just got to get used to who I am. And over the years, I've always just stuck with being who I am and just telling the truth and being, you know, not. Not worrying about what other people think. Because if I was trying to change to fit the mold of somebody else. I'm not really being myself and I don't, you know, I see that all the time with coaches trying to be something that they're not. And I don't think it connects to people. And I don't think the play, I think players see it right through it. So me being honest and telling them the truth, if people really want to develop, like most, you know, I sit with players and recruit players all the time. And the number one thing nowadays that every player coming out of high school says, I want to go to a place with great culture and I want to be fully developed. And I think fully developing the person has everything to do with honest feedback and evaluating them constantly. It doesn't have to be disrespectful, but it has to come from a place of genuineness and being authentic and then showing them and allowing them, giving them grace along the way as they grow. But it comes with telling the truth, for sure.
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Podcast Host David
So what was the, what was your first. When you, when you set the tone and you met with your guys in the team meeting, what was your first message?
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, honestly, I had a unique setting. I was walking in shortly after, you know, they were just told that their coach was leaving to go to Penn State and they love Coach Campbell. So I had the opportunity to have the whole team there outside of the, you know, even the seniors that were graduating came to the initial meeting. So for me, it wasn't any rah rah on what we're going to be. For me, it was more about understanding the feeling that they had as far as their coach leaving and I wasn't the person that they chose and why they came to Iowa State and then getting to know them. You know, I had one on one meetings with the entire team. My first.
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Podcast Host David
Do you ask questions, Coach? Is that is you ask questions to them? Is that like a questionnaire kind of a deal?
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, it's more. So like just tell me about your experience here. What would you change? What was, what was a highlight here? Where do you think that you guys fell short or where you could have done better at and tell me the systems in which were in place that you really enjoyed. Because when something's not broke, which this program wasn't broke, it, it, it doesn't need a full sail change. It may look slightly different or be presented different, but just taking in ideas from the players, I think that's sometimes your greatest feedback. And I'm not one to say that we won't change either like there's a system in place, but there's also. That's always changing as far as year to year. You're looking at how can you improve. So to take the previous staff's, you know, routine, there are some things that stuck in place and there are many things that have changed. But yeah, it was all about trying to get to know them and why they choose Iowa State. What was the connection? Trying to get to know their family, trying to open myself up as a person to figure out really what makes them tick and what they were looking for in this next coach. Many players went to Penn State. Many players, you know, we're looking for maybe a higher dollar or bigger opportunity elsewhere. And those are all things I was understanding about. I want players that want to be here at Iowa State. I feel like we've got the right people in the door, and I felt like we got the right players to stay here. And so we're going to have opportunity this year to be competitive and I look forward to it. The guys are working extremely hard and we're coming in on our really our second. Second segment of training. And they got spring break here next Friday, so we're closing that out. And then when they get back, we'll start up a spring ball.
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Podcast Host David
Well, I imagine too, if you're someone who's really honest with the players, they gonna shoot you straight, too.
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Jimmie Rogers
You know what? Honestly, when you're shoot them straight up and you're just a normal human being with them, you get their truth. And I think that's all I'm looking for. I'm not looking for them to tell me what I want to hear. And I think it's easier that way. That way I don't have to walk on eggshells or remember what I said to people because I remember what I say to people because I told the truth. And I think that's the best way to get through to people. What.
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Podcast Host David
In your coaching experience, though, Coach, what's the. What's the most truthful thing you got from a player that you were like, oh, okay, like, give it to me straight. No chaser. Goodness. Grac. Anything that just like holy.
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Jimmie Rogers
Okay, you said that nothing comes to mind. Maybe, maybe I'm. I believe in the amount of work that it takes to get a job done. And at times I haven't figured out the signetti plan of less is more. At times. At times what we do is I think it takes a certain amount of time to develop player, especially from the knowledge side as far as meetings. So we do meet and we do quite a bit of walkthroughs and at times it could feel like a, like, like a, A grind. A grind? Yeah. Mental grind more than it is physical at times.
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Podcast Host David
And it's amazing, you know, just being around guys for so long, it is crazy. Like the. Some people, their grind is just different and, and their level of capacity and when they check out and obviously when you have those freshmen come in, a lot of times you're like, all right, like, there's the wall. Like, good lord. Like he hit that, that sucker full speed right into the brick wall. So I imagine that's a, that's a player by player thing, right?
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, it is. And I think the older you get, you just get used to the amount of work that it takes to have success and you don't overthink it. But this is now all what they signed up for. You know, all these players have the dreams and aspirations of playing in the NFL and they have to develop. They're not NFL players yet. And so it takes a certain amount of time and effort to try to get them to understand what they need to know football wise. From a common knowledge to a basic scheme, to the nuances inside of a scheme. When offenses or defenses throw things at you, you have to be able to adjust. But there's got to be a level and comfort in the foundation of the teaching and something that I think our staff and myself pride ourselves on as being great teachers and educators in the game of football.
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Podcast Host David
What's it been like for you having, you know, you were at Washington State a year ago, you were a new coach and now doing it again, you know, the next season. Like what. How has that been for you, dealing with the portal and the strain and the like. I mean, is it tough to do that stuff or you strike me as a person that would enjoy that, like you're okay with that and thinking about it and working towards it?
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Jimmie Rogers
Well, I made the decision, right. So I have to be okay with the work that comes with that. But yeah, I joke, we, our staff has set the record on Guinness Book of World Records on the amount of transfers in a nine month span.
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Podcast Host David
How many is it?
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Jimmie Rogers
Well, it's 81 this year. It was 76 last year. So I don't know if anybody has done that back to back years within a year like that. This year feel a little bit more in my skin because I had spent 19 years at one school. I was always where my feet were at. And then when I took the opportunity to go Washington State I'd planned to be there and I didn't expect this to come up, but I always knew that if it were to open, I had an opportunity at this just in my prior interactions and connections with Jamie Pollard. And I was blessed to get this opportunity. And when I got it, I was willing to do it all over again, knowing that I was starting from ground zero again and I knew what to expect with how many players that would probably be entering the portal. Um, it's just nowadays this is the modern era of college football. When a coaching change happens, the players have, you know, you have these agents coming in on the players, you have, you know, other opponents teams coming in on your players and they start to have conversations and that the players that are currently here don't know you yet. And so you're trying to make up ground as far as relationships and painting a picture of what their life will be like. And at the same time, we have to see a vision in them as well, of having success inside of a different scheme. You know, this last team at Iowa State, they played in the three man front. They had a million DBs, and we're going, we're a four man front team. And so we needed more D lineman, naturally. So that just the change of the roster kind of happens, naturally. But overall, I feel like we got the right guys in here. I feel like I grew a lot and just my movement from South Dakota State as a head coach in which I had been comfortable just in my surroundings. It's easy to recruit to a place that you played at and then going to Washington State and figuring out these little nuances inside the university and trying to learn their history and trying to connect with the, you know, former players there. While I'm doing it all over again here, I just know this program much better just because I was, you know, a rock throw away from this place. So having a blueprint here of how to recruit, what led us to success. Myself at South Dakota State and the staff that was with me, I mean, we're back to our stomping grounds for a lot of us as far as where we recruited in the past. And then you had a guy like Tyler Roll who was at North Dakota State for years and had prior history here as a coach, not last year, but the year prior. I mean, he's been played a pivotal role as far as there's a guy that has been in the NFL and has won national championships at the Division 1 level, multiple. And so to understand the area, but to also have a staff that's well equipped and understanding what winning looks like. I think it's. It was huge for us and it'll be a huge pivotal piece as far as our success moving forward.
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Podcast Host David
Yeah, he spent time, obviously the Lions as well. So, so when you were, when you were looking at this world of college football now, like for a while, man, we saw it go, spread it all out, go as fast as we can. By the way you talk about South Dakota State, you want. You won national championship, like as a defensive coordinator, as a head coach, like it's not you. Not like you weren't successful, very successful. But you've seen all kinds of football. But we've seen the spread in space and now we've seen a lot more shoot at your. At Iowa State last year, like how many tight ends can you put on the field? You know, like it was, it was, it was amazing to watch. It was a big person heaven. So like how did you decide what you wanted? Your, your. What do you want your offense to look like at Iowa State?
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, I think multiple. Be able to present different looks, but be able to execute basic plays and have the players play as fast as possible. Sometimes that's the hardest thing defensively is to. You have to account for all those hats in a gap. And it comes down to physicality and effort and toughness and straining and you know, hard yards, hidden yardage and time of possession. And it opens up the pass game when you can run the football. So the more multiple you can be as far as what you display formations as and then be able to shift, trade, motion, it creates all these little nuances and puts defenses in a bind. As far as, you know, years ago we had stopped the run to like 2 to 3 yards per carry. And then I was realizing the more teams were to motion shift, trade, the more yards we gave up in the run game because players felt uncomfortable being in certain positions. It wasn't necessarily that they didn't know what they were doing. It was more so that the offense was dictating to us. And so for what we do defensively, we became more of the dictator, more of attacking style of a defense. And then we do a lot of unique motion shift, trade type walkthroughs just to make sure our guys are comfortable being in different spots and understanding the communication of what would happen in the plays that they could see based off of where they're aligned. And I mean, I don't know the exact number, but I think we held for multiple years in a row people under 3 yards per carry, 2 yards per carry 9 points per game. And I think that you can win a lot of football games if the other team can't score. So you prepare your guys in a certain way. There's a lot of communication that has to happen on both sides of the ball. But my mentality on offense is very similar to my mentality on defense. And it has to do with knowing what you're doing and attacking people and being physical.
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Podcast Host David
No. Okay. That's. We've talked a lot about skiing. We've talked a lot about all that different stuff. But I've also. I've also read about this hamburger eating contest. Now that this is. I need more details on that immediately.
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, it's a fall camp tradition, and I. I got it from John Stiglemeyer during my playing days at South Dakota State, we do a burger eating contest. It's changed multiple times. It used to be how. However used to be timed and how many burgers you can eat in like 10 minutes. And then it's turned into who can eat five burgers the fastest. And so. Okay, we've been blessed to have, like Culver's sponsored over the years.
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Podcast Host David
Need that.
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Jimmie Rogers
I was in Pullman. We. We had it at a local restaurant there. But it's always broken up into positions. And so the older guys vote on the freshmen that they in their position group that they want to have represent them. It could be a freshman or it could just be a newcomer, maybe transfer. And then up until last year, there's always been a coach involved as well, one that represents the coaches. So there's a trophy and everything that.
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Podcast Host David
That the. Let's go. We got a trophy.
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Jimmie Rogers
The freshman DBs sing the national anthem prior. Yeah. And then when we sing the fight song after the burger.
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Podcast Host David
What's what? What's what? What's the craziest thing we've seen in the hamburger eating contest?
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Jimmie Rogers
Oh, probably people throwing up into their water cup and then drinking it down. It's pretty.
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Podcast Host David
Oh, because it has to. You have to get it down to count.
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Jimmie Rogers
You have to get it down to count. My man. My man. Jason Ectel. I think he might have been a reigning champ for a couple years. He's the head coach at New Mexico now. He was with me on staff at. At South Dakota State, and I remember him always dominating the competition as the. As the lead coach for those burger eating contests.
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Jimmie Rogers
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Podcast Host David
Okay, so you weren't putting yourself in there.
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Jimmie Rogers
I've done it three times. How did you do, freshman? I did it. The coaches threw me in as a ga and then when I had left, I had a small stint at Florida Atlantic. When I came back, I did it again for the coaches. I don't think I ever won. You know, you got these old lineman and D line, and they just swallow the burgers in really, one bite. But I was close when I was a true freshman. That's when it was like, however many burgers you can eat. And I think it was five minutes, or maybe it was 10 minutes, and I had like, I think I got eight, maybe.
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Podcast Host David
Dang.
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Jimmie Rogers
Yeah, there were some bad, big old linemen. They were, they were crushing them. I think they were at like 13.
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Podcast Host David
Oh, I, I that when you just said throwing up in the cup and drinking it, like, that's, there's a winner
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Jimmie Rogers
and there's a loser, so you gotta try to compete.
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Podcast Host David
I mean, that's some serious commitment. When you got the job, coach, just to get to know you a little bit. Who's the first person you called?
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Jimmie Rogers
That's a good question. Honestly, I can't recall because there was so many moving parts that day. It was aligning probably the staff and who was going to be coming with me. And then it was obviously my wife was with me kind of when it happened, and I told her if it was going to happen and she was ecstatic. My kids were raised in, in Brooking, South Dakota, and all of our, my nephew and nieces are in South Dakota. So I think we called my parents and maybe her parents to just what was happening. But as far as the next day, it was so many moving pieces because it's just unique because that was right after signing day. I had just signed a bunch of players that I predicted I was going to still be at Washington State. So I had signed a bunch of players. And to get that call, I think it was like a couple days later. You feel a little bit, you're excited for yourself, but you feel like you just let people down because you had spent, you know, seven months recruiting players on a vision, and then you're not going to be the one living it out with them, potentially. So there are numerous players that came with us from Washington State. There's numerous players that have made the jump now twice with us. Players that signed at South Dakota State that went to Washington State are now with us. And then there's also players on this team that I recruited in high school. You know, Micah Harper came from Montana, but when he went into the Portal, we were the first to offer Micah Harper who, who play safety for us. We were the first offer at South Dakota State prior to him going to byu. So there's a lot of those stories. We're not a whole bunch of random people put together those prior relationships with a lot of these transfers. And now we're just, you know, in one spot doing it. I think things happen for a reason, and we got the right guys in, in the door. There are several new ones to us as a staff, but those guys have been a blessing and are working their tail off right now.
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Podcast Host David
What do you, what do you and the family like to do for fun?
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Jimmie Rogers
Just hang out. I mean, we try to get outside as much as possible. Washington was great for that. As far as, you know, the views and hiking and stuff like that. And there's a lot of things local, but try to see family as much as possible. At least a lot of our family come up. My wife's family comes up and visits. I don't have a whole lot of free time. And when I do get free time, I usually just like to vet and zone out a little bit. Go to the lake if we can. I suck at golf, but I'll go and do it. I enjoy doing golfing, but I got to be with the right people. If they're good, I hate it, bro.
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Podcast Host David
That's the, that's the best. That, that, that's not terrible. That's one of the best. Like when you're gonna go spend hours and hours with somebody, like, I can't be with the whiny person. I can't be with the person that takes it too serious. Like. And is Mr. Like, Mr. Complaining about every shot. I'm like, I. If I'm gonna spend this much time with you, like, we gotta kind of like each other. Like, you know, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Hey, but here's the thing. Hey, here's the thing, Coach.
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Jimmie Rogers
Golf.
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Podcast Host David
Here is my criteria for golf. If you're going to play golf, we're going to walk. We're not giving up the exercise of 4 miles or 8 miles and 25 push ups. A hole is 225 for 9. That's 450 for 18. And even if I suck because my wife asked me, how'd you play? I go 8 miles and 450 push ups.
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Jimmie Rogers
I like it. Yeah, I'm not doing that. If I'm a workout, I'm going to work out. If I'm going to be on a golf course and say it's fun, there'll be a brewski in my hand and I'll be on the.
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Podcast Host David
What do you, what do you like to do at the lake? Do you like to surf?
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Jimmie Rogers
You know what, sometimes we get on the tube and you feel like a little kid again. Wakeboard. Not the elite in any means at that, but I enjoy doing it with buddies and going out there. Honestly, I like, I like fishing. So If I can get out to lake and fish, I do that.
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Podcast Host David
Are you, are you gonna be, are you the competitive dad, like the gotta win dad with the kiddos? Or can you be like, turn it off and be chill with the kiddos?
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Jimmie Rogers
You know what, what I care more about than anything with my kids is that they compete and they try, I try to be this, you know, it's more their body language and like teaching them as they compete not to look like that little whiny kid. My son is extremely competitive and at times, I mean, he can't handle losing right now. And I would rather have it that way than him care about winning, but teaching him how to lose and having, you know, ownership in the loss and not point the finger. And those things matter more to me how they carry themselves than actually they're still eight. I got an eight year old daughter and a six year old son, so they're in the infant stages of life. It's more about how you do it than what, what they're actually doing to me.
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Podcast Host David
No, and that's that, that's the thing. I've been around so many parents, you know, and they just, I'm like, listen, you're, you're holding them like they, they've got to try hard and they've got to do this. I'm like, yeah, trying hard at 15 and 16 is different than 6. Like, you can't hold them to a standard they can't hold themselves to. And listen, by failing, like, I learned how to succeed with mine. I'll never forget, man, I was driving. We won. We beat the crowd out of everybody in our region. And so I scheduled a game from a team from Gainesville. And we went there and coach, we got mopped. Like, we got mopped. They snapped it over the quarterback's head and the broken play scored four touchdowns. Four. Because we could build a defense. But like we're 11. Like we couldn't stop it when it was backyard ball because we couldn't catch anybody. But the whole ride home was an hour and a half. I didn't say a word. I didn't say a word. And my wife looks at me when we get home and she's like, you know, you made the whole trip miserable. I was like, I didn't say a word. And she was like, exactly, that's why you made it miserable. I'm like, wait a minute. If I say something, I'm wrong. If I don't say something, I'm wrong. Like, how am I supposed to be right? And I realized all they want is to go get ice cream. Like, they just want to have fun, man. And so I love that you said that. Like, be a great teammate. Like, if you want to talk to your kids, be a great teammate. Like, work as hard as you can. Cheer for everybody. Don't be about you. Like, but. But it is hard, man. When they're 6 and 8 and 10 and 12 of, like, teaching them what real competitors look like at that age is hard.
- [32:15]
Jimmie Rogers
I would tell you my kids are a blessing to me because losing sucks, and we experienced some tough ones this last last season, and they don't care, you know, they just want to give you a hug. So, honestly, having kids was the best blessing of my life.
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Podcast Host David
No doubt, Coach. Well, we thank you so much for your time, man. I think everybody got to know you here on this pod, and that's cool. Best of luck this season, and we'll be cheering you on, man. Best of luck, dog.
- [32:46]
Jimmie Rogers
Awesome. I appreciate you. Thanks for having me.
- [32:48]
Podcast Host David
See you, brother. Thank you.