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Georgia-Tennessee, Florida-LSU, SEC PREVIEWS | Cole Cubelic | CFB Week 3
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Georgia-Tennessee, Florida-LSU, SEC PREVIEWS | Cole Cubelic | CFB Week 3 0:00 Re-Ranking the AP Poll Top 25 3:53 Should USF be Higher? 5:24 Should South Carolina be Lower? 6:35 Should Auburn be Higher? 7:43 Alabama & FSU 8:54 Should Penn State be Lower? 12:10 Podium Kings: Eli Drinkwitz 13:21 Podium Kings: Steve Sarkisian 14:59 Podium Kings: Oklahoma vs. Temple 16:00 Cole Cubelic SEC Previews
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Sarah
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Brent
Break up with bland breakfast and taste.
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David
This kid is everywhere.
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Wesley
This is C. Ball.
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David
Get Ball.
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Wesley
College football's top show for football analysis, predictions and coach interviews. Now here's your host, three time All American, seven time Emmy award winner.
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David
All right, dudes, welcome on in to Seaball. Get Ball. We appreciate you joining us. Like always. A good show coming up. We're going to do podium kings, which is absolutely fantastic. It's actually one of my favorite segments that we do, Brent. Like, I think it's really, really cool. We get to hear some coaches talk about different parts of the game. Even one coach talking about the bathroom. Which is, which is. Which is super interesting and something I never want to hear again. Probably from Steve Sarkeesian. Please don't ever do that again. And that would be fine. If you do it now, it'd be too fine. We'll talk about. We'll actually have Cole Kublick on. And I love Cole, man. I know you do too. Just a guy that watches football, an offensive lineman, which is fantastic. He has the Cube show. He has Tuesday night date show. He has his podcast. Like he does a lot. He does a lot in the football space. Another bald guest for Brent. We're just racking in the B early in the season, but I think we'll start with our little. Our rankings game. And we're going to play the. We're going to play the. Actually, you know what, hold on. Behind your, behind your left ear. We'll start with. Actually, it's a. The West Virginia baby. Great looking lid. Did you like the country roads on the back of the helmet as well?
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Wesley
Beautiful. Beautiful. That was. Thank you very much. That was. Thank you. West Virginia football. Tip of the cap to them.
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David
Yep.
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Brent
I.
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Wesley
That's. It's my home state. My home team.
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David
You're always.
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Wesley
I didn't actually graduate from West Virginia. That's.
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David
Oh, you hubby.
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Wesley
Yes.
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Brent
Hey.
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David
But I think Arizona State, West Virginia, like first two helmets, I mean, they deserve to be in the shot. So we're going to give them. You know credit throughout the season. We'll talk about the Backyard Brawl, too, because that's going to be a great one. And shamely, it's going to go away after this season, too.
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Wesley
What's funny is the tweet you sent that talked about what being West Virginia, not Western Virginia.
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David
Yeah.
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Wesley
It's incited, like, this whole discussion. And I now I'm reading all about the lyrics and whether it's what it's all about and things that I didn't even know. I'm like, even though I'm from there, I'm really, truly part of Western Virginia. I'm on the border from the board of Ohio, so. But it's. It's quite a random topic to look into when you look at John Denver and the lyrics and how it came about. But, yeah, Country Roads, man, that's full of shist. They get to sing it this weekend, though. That's the thing.
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David
Yeah, that'll be interesting. But first, let's play the. Let's play the RE ranking game. We're gonna have a nice little cool board, and we're basically gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna show you the things that we think should be different in the polls. Listen, here's my thing with this, Brent. Everybody's got a reason. Everybody's got something to say about the polls. I don't care. This doesn't bother me. I'm not getting upset about this. These rankings mean Jack Shist, just like the preseason ones. The only thing that matters is when we get to the committee down the road, upsets happen whether you like it or not, whether you picked it or not. You know, that's why. That's why there's big old buildings in Vegas. Right? Like, that's why Vegas makes so much fricking money.
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Brent
So.
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David
So, I mean, I think that there's a purpose for them, it's fun for them, but, you know, voters are. Are influenced by different things, by where they're from. We could argue about the number of voters. I've said for years with the Heisman voters, there's too many. There's probably too many AP voters, but there's also outliers and all that stuff. But we'll get to this and kind of make some. Some changes here at C Ball Get Ball that we. We feel might be needed. We would do it a little bit differently. How about that? Yes.
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Wesley
I mean, I have a few. Definitely. There's two. Two teams to me, that stand out instantaneously that I would actually put higher on where they are.
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Brent
Currently.
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Wesley
Okay, that is the USF Bulls.
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David
Why?
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Wesley
With a win against Boise, a previous year playoff team, an emphatics win.
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David
Okay, stop, stop, stop. I'm going to do what all these people do because this is, this is why I want to do this type of exercise. But last year doesn't matter. Brent. That was last year. Last year they were really good. This year they're not. They suck this year. What are you talking about? Like, they got beat the crap by usf. They're not a good football team.
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Wesley
I disagree. I think Boise is going to be still really good.
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David
See that, that's, that's the part of, that's what I'm saying about this polls thing. Like you, you have to use some form of. I think they're good. Like, I think they got beat. That's okay. And that's part of it. That's. People want to piece meal this together with one side and the other and usually it's based upon their biases. Like, and that's okay. But it's based upon who they think is better, which is okay. But it's just. There's just no definitive. That's, that's my point. I'm not crapping on you. I just like that's exactly what people say. Well, last year, well, that was last year. That was. Well, okay. Florida State, they were, they were two intent. Did you want to expect from them this year? I don't know. But you know what they did? They took that helmet and went upside Alabama's lid. Like so they, they proved me something. So continue. Sorry.
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Wesley
And say, by the way, with usf, it's not, that's just week one, Week two, they go into the swamp and beat Florida at Florida. Like that's, that's a win. That. Other than LSU being beating at Clemson like that's there. I, I think they should be right. I would flip them in South Carolina. Like I would put them right around 11.
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David
You'd put them at 11?
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Wesley
Yep.
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David
And I would have absolutely no problem with that. Like if you're going through the other teams that you're going up above, like South Carolina, no doubt. South Carolina was really good last year and the way they finished, nobody wanted that smoke. They haven't shown us so far through two games that they look like the same team. Like they have it. The team that's not ranked, that's not on this list. The Vanderbilt Commodores slapped around Virginia Tech at their place, which is a common opponent. But like me and you were smart enough to go, okay, Lenore Sellers is An animal. Like, he's a really good football player. Going to be the best player on the field this week when they match up. But that's. That's the kind of thing you're always debating in your head and you're always piecemealing together is this team versus this team, this team versus this team. This wins good. This one's not last year. This is what I think it can be.
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Wesley
Yep. The other one for me that would be a good bit higher is Auburn because of the road win at Baylor and a pretty. I think they took care of business for the most part in that game and controlled that game and they did what they had to do this past week. But that road win at Baylor, for me, who just turned around and beat smu, that was another ranked team that we think is going to be pretty solid. At least that would be. That's one for me. That they would be up there.
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David
Yeah. And so, like, it's to, to, to you, it's about. And here's what I'd say about the polls and the rankings. To me, it's about this point in the season. It's about what you've done. Is that fair? Like, I agree. I'm more about what you've done. Like, I know Texas lost 14 to 7, like to an Ohio State team that's the best in the country right now. Like, that's a tough loss. So I'd also. I can also know that Texas is a really good football team, but Texas hasn't done a lot to say they haven't done a lot in the win column. The season is also short, so it's. How do you view the close loss versus Not a lot of wins on the schedule. But I would tend to lean towards. Here's what I've always done. Bad losses take you off the board. Like a bad loss, a smackdown. Like, bye, Felicia, you gone. Like, I don't want to see you for a little while. You can work your way back up. Close losses. Don't. Don't kill me. Especially close losses on the road. But then to me it's about, okay, what are the wins you have? Like, and that's where like a Florida State. Nobody thinks Alabama sucks. Now, the way people are going to talk about it, like, they're going to talk Alabama sucks. They're going to prove you wrong. Like, Alabama didn't just all of a sudden fall off a cliff with talent. Like, they're going to have talent. They're going to win a lot of football games. They're not going to look like they did week one. Um, so I think they're a pretty good team. And Florida State handled them like, handled them and physically imposed their will on them. If Florida State can physically impose their will on Alabama, do I think they can do it on Illinois or Illinois and Notre Dame? Like, yeah, like, I do think they can do that. So I'd be okay with Florida State being ahead of Illinois and Notre Dame like that. That's okay with me right away because they. They've already done more, and if you want to put them ahead of Georgia, so be it. Like, that doesn't bother me either. You can. You can move them up like that. That doesn't bother me in the slightest. The only difference for me is, Brent, if you're Oregon and you took this, like, and you opened, just batch slap people upside the lid like Oklahoma State last week, like, you didn't mess around. Like, I also give credit for not messing around and beating the crud out of people. So there's a lot that goes into it, and it's hard to. If you actually do this exercise, and that's why we wanted to do this. If you actually do it, it's harder than you think.
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Wesley
Oh, yeah. And it's one for me. Like, I would move Penn State down to, say, six or seven. And the top four to me would be.
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Brent
Why.
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David
Why would you move Penn State down?
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Wesley
Just because they. They haven't. They've looked sluggish to start and. And that's.
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David
They were up 10 to nothing last week. They weren't, like, firing on all cylinders, you know. You know, it's so. Yeah.
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Wesley
And again, we talked about that the other day. Like, is it by design or is it sort of, you know, this just truly struggling? I think there's part of it that's by design because of the competition that they're playing early in the season. But there's an element, too, where you play the game and you want to actually do things the right way while you're playing the game. But that. That to me, is the top four. How I would rank them right now? Ohio State 1, LSU 2, Oregon 3, Miami 4. Actually probably would go Miami 3, Oregon 4.
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David
And. And I would say that too, because. Because I saw them beat Notre Dame again, close game. I'm assuming what Notre Dame is going to be. And it'll be interesting to watch Notre Dame against A and M, because A and M you kind of feel good about. But what have they. Who have they beaten so far? And they've given up some points and so you know, I think this is why the rankings don't come out until October, ladies and gentlemen, this is what, this is exactly why. Because then you have weeks upon weeks upon weeks. And so I know everybody wants to complain and whine and that's fine. Like you can do that, you have the right to do that. But it just doesn't change anything. And it takes a while to get so many head to head factors and so many, you know, a common opponent factors and then the consistency factor that you continue to navigate through throughout the season.
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Wesley
All right, we'll give you 1, 2, 3, 4 teams that are not current.
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Wesley
Which one would you put in a sort of top 25? Georgia Tech, TCU, Mississippi State or Vanderbilt?
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David
And, and this is funny because do I think Mississippi State is going to be a top 25 team? No. Do I think they beat a good team?
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Brent
Yes.
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David
So like I can say they've done more than the other squads. Am I projecting or am I saying right now up until this point like Mississippi State probably deserves to be ranked when you have a big win like that against a team that I feel very confident is going to be a really good football team. Like at worst there'll be a nine win team, like they're that good and a talented qb, a talented coach, an up and coming program, like I would reward them for that and that would absolutely not hurt my feelings whatsoever.
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Wesley
Yep, those, those were kind of. So Arizona State was just outside in terms of the AP voting. Tech was I guess 6, 7, 28th. TCU is a little further down then Vanderbilt only actually had one vote to be in the top 25. But you know, it's, it's a fun exercise, it's fun to talk about, it's fun to debate and Especially based on what you said earlier is the biggest thing. It's. Are you looking at what you think the team is and what you project the team's going to be? Are you looking at what they've actually done? So, yeah, that's. That's the cool part.
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David
Yeah.
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Wesley
What's the bait?
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Brent
That's.
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Wesley
By the way, that's the debatable part. Always with college football.
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David
Well, and that's fun and that's great. Wesley, get your butt on here and let's get some. Let's get some podium kings, man. We're going to do this every week. I. I think this is fantastic. Just to hear quotes and stuff. Are we starting with drink? Because I thought drink was slick. As it gets this past week, bro.
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Brent
All right, so you.
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Coach Drake
You really studied this, the punt semantics and kind of the loophole rule that Missouri exploited against Kansas. And I didn't really understand what was going on. I saw the tweet from the Big 12 where they benched their officials for messing up the call. I didn't understand the backstory. I love that the Big 12 actually held officials accountable because we see that too often that cool in our neck of the woods. But here's what happened when Coach Drake explains the backstory.
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Wesley
Why did you punt on the free kick after the. The. For black vat? And did you know that was an issue before today with what happened?
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David
We just wanted to see if we could. You know, it's like asking your parents if you can do something that, you.
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Brent
Know, they probably shouldn't let you do.
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David
But sometimes they get it wrong. I mean, is that not amazing? Like, it's the old saying, right? Like, ask forgiveness later. Like, yes, why not give it a try? And he went on and poked it a little bit more. Wesley. He also says, I mean, they were messing up other calls, so I figured they might as well. I'm like, all right, dude. Like, I. I get you, but heads up, play. He also said he saw them in pregame warmups. They saw them dropping punts and, like, struggling with the sun. So that's why they were like, I'd rather punt it than. Than kick it off. And they maximized it. And just. That's a great job by them. Like, tip of the cap. Gotta love that. You. I mean, why not? The worst thing they can say in any realm of life is no. Just like, if you're a salesperson, bro, they say, no, who cares? You just move on. It's all good.
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Coach Drake
Ball coaches being ball coaches. All right, this one is, I think, the quintessential podium king. This is what this whole segment is all about. Highlighting the coaches that really take the bull by the horns, no pun intended here. And get after the reporters in press conferences, because sometimes you gotta step to coach with a little bit better question, and this is a perfect example of it. In Texas's press conference earlier this week.
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Brent
Arch Manning seems to be having some throwing pains by the. According to who?
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David
Arch.
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Brent
Arch said that to you? No. Oh, according to who? It just looked like he was. He doesn't have any.
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Wesley
Is that.
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Brent
Is there an explanation to why he was. It looked like that.
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David
I don't know. I've never.
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Brent
I've never filmed any you guys when you're using the bathroom, so I don't know what faces you make when you're doing that. Roger. Wow.
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Coach Drake
He clearly struck a nerve. I will say that. I'll say that. I don't know what the deal is with Arch, and there's a lot of Twitter doctors out there that want to diagnose, but clearly struck a nerve. We'll hop to the other side of Red river right here and then get Cole Kublick in when he is ready to go. Oklahoma playing at Temple and not really a podium king. This is more the other side of the podium, but interesting conversation overheard on the mic.
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Brent
It'll be.
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Wesley
Yeah, it'll be interesting.
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David
High school.
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Brent
It's gonna be like a weird, bulk.
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Coach Drake
Really quick one there, but I don't know, man. I. I don't know if Temple's gonna use that as bulletin board material or not, but when you attack a home fields crowd, at least in the sec, sometimes it comes back to bite you. I think Oklahoma's safe.
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Brent
All right.
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Wesley
Cole Temple, by the way. Two and. Oh, the Owls.
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David
Yeah, that's great. Well, sell me on that one. Bring it. Bring. Let's bring in the big fella, Cole Kubelik. If you don't know Cole, you're an idiot. You need to do better. You need to follow college football more. I mean, I might call you that before long. But he's got the podcast, he's got rolling, he's got the Cube show, he's got Tuesday date night. He's got a lot going on. And I would argue just when you see a guy that watches tape and watches the game and studies it, loves the game. Hey, let's start with your alma mater, man. Like, just Auburn. And watching them contrasting two games to start the season, like, win game one, game two, to me, look like. All right, let's see what Jackson Arnold can do. You know, through the air. But what are your, what are your thoughts on watching your alma mater and the one of the greatest atmospheres in college football, which was on full display, which was really cool the other day.
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Brent
I think your, your sentiments about game two and sort of the how and why early on are spot on. Hughes actually made it pretty clear to some of the TV crews last year, this year that that's what he was going to do. I think they wanted to just let Jackson continue to get comfortable, build his confidence, which is the biggest part of this entire process. Because last year he couldn't let go of the football and that's not something that you want from your quarterback. And Hugh talked about having to build that confidence up. There was even some comments at media days that I personally didn't like. Some other people didn't like where he said, hey, we're telling D.J. take it easy in practice. We, we need him to finish every practice strong. To which I would kind of go the opposite direction. Like, let's give him 25 things he's never going to see. So then he feels even better about the fact if he did complete a pass against that. However, that's it's their philosophy, it's what they're doing. And I thought he threw the ball a little bit better. I think Freeze knows we're not going to run this kid 22, 24 times a game and survive. That's not real. I actually think that's one of the, if not the biggest question in the Southeastern Conference right now. When you take these teams. Georgia's one of them, South Carolina, Auburn's one of them, Ole Miss was one of them. Their quarterback got dinged up, got knocked out of the game. Texas A and M and their design quarterback runs. Vanderbilt, their design quarterback runs. How are you going to manage this through the course of this season? Because it's pretty obvious it's important to a lot of these teams and it gives them a massive advantage. Like you don't think Lenore Sellers running the ball is an advantage, but he's built a little bit different than some of these other cats are that are trying to run the football as much as they are. So I mean, Bo Prabula at Missouri, Taylor Green at Arkansas, like these guys are going to be really careful with how and what is the management process going to look like. But back to Auburn, he's got some big time wide receivers. I thought the running backs have played well, deliberately getting north and south, getting downhill. Specifically in this game where it was one where you probably could have danced a little bit if you wanted to, but it was a, there's a little bit of space. Let's hit the A gap. Let's go north and south and get it. The offensive line let me down this past week because they were great. Week one against Baylor, couple one on one losses, pass protection which, that's another thing. It's been bad across the board. Not just Auburn guys are getting smoked on the edges right now all over the place.
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David
But the defensive linemen are supreme.
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Brent
That's why probably right now. Yeah. But we'll see at the end of the year after that. All the, all the tank is, is empty and all the gas has been used up with those guys with their pass rush moves for the first six games. I feel good about him, I really do. And Jackson's not a polished quarterback yet. He's not a finished product. He's got a ways to go. But my, my thing going to that Baylor game, David, was take some off of him. He doesn't need to do heavy lifting here like give him some high percentage throws. Let Eric Singleton take a screen to the house. Give him, find him some one on ones with Cam Coleman, lob them up there when you get the box light and they don't defend quarterback, run the right way, let him make you pay. And I feel like that was the plan. They stuck with the run. So free stay impatient may be the most impressive thing that Auburn's done this season, to be honest with you.
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David
Yeah. And if you, if you, if you follow Cole, he does this release every week and he'll tell you about all the teams across the sec. He'll do it on social media, which is really good. If you didn't watch the game, you're just like, all right, now watch the game. I know everything I need to know.
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Brent
Georgia, Tennessee asked me, did you not watch the game? No.
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David
No. Bud, thanks for the, thanks for your criticism. I appreciate that. When you look at Georgia, Tennessee, first thoughts on, on the showdown with 6.
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Brent
Versus 15 Georgia, for whatever reason you want to come up with and let's be real, none of us know what the exact reasons are. Inability thus far to push the ball down the field. It obviously hasn't been there. Tennessee's cornerbacks not playing in this game. So can Gunner, Stockton and that legitimate group of weapons, number one find the time? Because they haven't really found that yet. And that's one of the things when everybody says Gunner's not hitting open receivers. Well, Gunner hadn't been able to get to the back of his drop very often either because number one, why we're running pull protection so much from play action protection which I despise almost as much as slide protection. And why we're not giving a chance to just drop back and throw it, I don't really understand. But can you find it to take advantage of Tennessee's glaring weakness, which right now is corner? They. I mean their depth is devastated already and if you're going to get them, I think that's going to have to be a big place because that Tennessee defensive line does not look like it's taking a big step backwards from last year. I mean, they look like they picked up where they left off. Not quite as deep, but maybe not as twitchy off the edge, but they got guys up front and they're going to be a problem for that Georgia offensive line.
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Wesley
Speaking of gunner, when you watch him, what's your thought there? Because you know, it's kind of, it's kind of the. We don't know, like you said. But what do you think when you see and watch him? Because I know like for me personally when I've watched it's nothing has been truly in rhythm. He's either check off of reads too soon or he's not getting rid of the ball sooner. Like it's never been just sort of in sync at any point.
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Brent
Right. I think it's, let's find some things that can help this young man grow, get comfortable, get confident. And most of that has been on the perimeter early. Let's give him heavy screen game. Let's give him some quick game when there has been things down the field. As I stated, the protection hasn't always been great. And as we all know quarterbacks, once the protection breaks down in the first quarter, they're probably not going to sit there and think it's going to be great in the second, third and fourth quarter.
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David
Just reality, seeing ghosts.
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Brent
It's just what it's going to be. I just think a lot of it, Brent's still inexperienced and it's gonna come. It's like the stuff with Arch. You watch that first rollout against Ohio State and I mean he looked like he was on amphetamines. It's just like he will calm down. It's like he guys, he's just, he's amped up. It's. It's okay. Like it's his first real start. Just give him some time to figure it out. I think a little bit of gunner's there too because let's be honest, like I mean, Gunner Stockton's a fullback playing quarterback. Like he, he's a. He's an undersized high school zero nose playing quarterback. Like that's literally what he is. And that's great. I love that about it.
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David
But that might be the most disrespectful thing that's ever been said about gunners Stockton.
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Brent
No, are you kidding? I think that's an awesome, awesome way of putting it, actually.
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David
Undersized nose tackle.
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Brent
I'm not talking about a guy holding the point. I'm talking about those zero noses in high school that are like 220 and they're just shooting gaps and there's nothing you can do about them.
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Wesley
Like his like Davies.
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Brent
No.
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David
Hey, hey. Shout out to my nose. A.J. fick. Brocephus is 57 in heels. Hey. A former running back, about 210 pounds. The most explosive kid on the team. Boy, stop. Hey, slant that sucker. They got no, no shot to block him.
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Brent
They'll never touch him.
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David
It's so dirty here.
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Brent
Here you go. I got one for you. He's a Josh Maler type. How about that? That better?
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David
Wow, that's a big throwback.
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Brent
Hey, Stench will tell you one of the biggest headaches that I ever faced in college, man. And everybody's like, who are you talking about? Stroud and Seymour and Charles Grant. I'm like, this little skinny white dude came in and lined up at a zero nose and started going one way or the other. And I was like, oh my gosh, where is he?
- [25:24]
David
Like, he had that good, he had that good slipperiness. What? Hey, Cole. One one team that's like caught me off guard so far. The first couple weeks of just the expectations of what I thought they would be and what they are, A and M, like, I thought they were going to dot both of your eyeballs, bloody your nose like pound away. And they've been like almost 65%, 70% pass. And so like, again, it could be the Jackson Arnold type thing too, where they're trying to get Marcel Reed ready for SEC play. But what do you see with A and M? What do you expect against Notre Dame?
- [25:56]
Brent
With them a lot of the exact same things. And I'm wondering, David, if it's looking ahead a little bit, knowing we can be that team that bloodies your nose. But we probably won't be great at that against Notre Dame because they have proven against Georgia and Penn State and a lot of other teams the last couple years, you don't just do that to them for four quarters. So they may think they're going to need to throw the football to win that game this weekend. But I'm with you. And it's not just throwing it around, it's doing it out of shotgun with an offset running back which as you defensive guys know, that limits the playbook. There's only so much that we can get out of that. And if you're going to be a run first football team, please line up in formations in which we know one of the three or four runs that you can actually throw at us. Now, when the pocket's clean, I will say this, I wasn't super high on Marcel Reed coming into the year. When that pocket's clean, he, it's beautiful, man. Like, it's a nice ball, it's out on time, it's tight spiral. Any sign of that thing breaking down and he's a different quarterback. So if you're going to live in that neighborhood, you know, you better be ready for the rules and regulations that come with it and have an understanding that when it starts to break down, it might not be great and it, it might fall apart quickly. But I'm with you. I have, I, I, I thought they struggled to find a personality last year on offense.
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David
Yeah.
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Brent
And it appears as though they're heading that direction even though it's only through two games this year.
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David
Brent, it's all you. But hold on, I need a Marcel Reed high school football comp. Go ahead.
- [27:22]
Brent
Marcel Reed is like the high school David Palmer. Punt, returner, kick returner, free safety, tailback, sometimes short yardage.
- [27:30]
David
Quarterback, can't even put a hand on him so fast you, you can't even.
- [27:34]
Brent
Put a hand on him.
- [27:35]
Wesley
Best athlete on the field, no matter where you play him. There you go. Definitely that too. You talked about a M's and some of the limitations with running. Now let's flip 180 degrees to a team that runs it in any way you can think of. And that's Vanderbilt. Like so unique with how they set up their run game. Do you think that's going to continue to have success at South Carolina this week?
- [27:59]
Brent
A couple of reasons that I would say yes to and then I can give you some that I would say no to also. And the main one's going to be Clayton White. But everybody thought this was really weird to me in the off season. Every thought Tim Beck was going to like sit on his hands this off season and just say, oh yeah, we got a couple option plays and we got some cool read plays and we'll run a couple out of the Pistol and you know every now and then we'll bring a jet motion with it and we're just going to do the same stuff as last year. I don't know why people think that he's just going to sit there and go well here's our 27 plays. We have good luck because we think we're better than you. They know they're not just better than everybody. This Vanderbilt offensive line is bigger and more physical than any Vandy line I've ever seen. Now having said that, that doesn't mean it's coach clinic tape that we're putting on. I mean it's especially pass pro, it's junkyard doggish. I mean it's, it is. They remind me of Fresno State Kalin's last year and I watched them because they had Ronnie Rivers at tailback and Jake Hayner at quarterback. They were just a fun team to watch and their offensive line was just a bunch of bar bouncers. Dude. Like they, there was no beautiful pass sets, like they didn't keep a nice base but when they got their hands on you they were going to try to hurt you. And Vandy got him a couple of those guys like they got a couple dudes that when they get latched on they can move you and they will and they want to, they get out on screens, they want to punish people. Now there's a lot of face masks in the dirt because they're whiffing on guys, you know, but at the same time they, they have a little extra edge there. And as long as Diego's healthy I think Cedric Alexander is the most underrated player in the league. I'm not sure he's 100% right now but you got a tight end that no one can match up with and I mean that no one can match up with. Eli Stowers. You got a quarterback that knows how to manipulate that system better than anybody. You have two solid running backs and a deep threaded wide receiver. What are you taking away? And by the way they can RPO you, they can option you, they can bootleg you, they can quarterback run you like quarterback power run you like in between the tackles. So they just have so much that they can throw at you. I think they have a chance to keep it going. Clayton White's just good man, he's really good. And South Carolina does more with these transfers that we've never heard of never than other coaches do every single year. I'm still waiting to see who are these guys going to be this year. But they got to Cut. Monkel Goodwine. It's not just Dylan Stewart. Like Brian Thomas has been there for four years. Monkel Goodwine's been there. Like they got guys that have played in that scheme and that secondary will cover up a lot of. And if they need to bring guys down to help, they will. Referencing that game quickly. This is what that game comes down to for me and I'm doing that game this week and I'm really pumped. The atmosphere is going to be insane. There will be. There will be three to five. What the F are you doing? Diego plays in this game. Which way do they go? That's. It's that simple. Does he throw a fade away jumper off his back foot getting hit and it's intercepted and taken to the house? Or is it caught in a touchdown like it was against Alabama? Or does he run sideways and try to like lateral, you know, Kareem sky hook to his guy that may or may not see him with defenders coming after him and it's a fumble the other way or he catches it and goes for 20. There will be three to five of those plays. What the F are you doing? Diego plays in which direction they go will determine the outcome of this game.
- [31:22]
David
And the answer is yes, because they're all, they're probably all going to happen. If you don't, if you don't know who this is. It's Cole Cleveland, man. And you should listen to him. The co. The Cube show. You can hear him on the podcast. He puts them all on. But Tuesday, date night, like, the dude is you. You can listen to him. You know, he loves ball. Where, where do you think in the sec, you've got, you've got Arkansas, you've got Ole Miss, you've got Vanderbilt, you got South Carolina, you got Georgia, you got Tennessee. Obviously all these matchups across the bar. LSU in Florida, like, what are we going to be talking about, you know, starting next week? Like, what's, what's something you know is going to happen? Maybe go to Florida, lsu, wherever. What do you feel most confident about?
- [32:05]
Brent
My biggest question going into the season was the middle of the pack and you could have taken Texas, Georgia, Bama, Texas, Georgia, Bama, lsu, whatever. One you said, okay, that's my top shelf. Those are the teams that can probably win it. And then you had eight to 11 other teams that had a couple things that you loved and a thing or two that you hated. When you're talking about winning the league or being in the conference championship game or going to the playoff, I think that middle of the pack has probably now expanded.
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Brent
Have relegated Bama there. We mel relegated Texas there. LSU for the people who didn't have them up might now be up. But what happened to Clemson this weekend? They might not be back down. Arkansas hasn't really been tested so we don't know but there I think there's a lot more to like about Arkansas than people are giving them credit. For them it's not just Taylor Green. They got athletes and speed on defense. The receivers look great, three headed monster at running back. So I think one of the questions that we'll start to answer this weekend David is the middle getting bigger and does Florida bring LSU in and put themselves back in? Does Arkansas put themselves in and maybe take Ole Miss out? Because I've been more impressed with the Ole Miss defensive line than I thought I would be. And I'm patting myself on the back about the offensive line, which everybody told me, again, was going to be great. And it's not. But they're different at running back and they got great wide receivers. They just might not be able to keep their quarterback healthy. And they got a couple dudes in the secondary that Pete Golding loves. So I just think it's going to be more of the. Are we more jammed up in the middle with teams that might be able to do something but also have a great chance of not doing something? Or have we started to filter this out of. Okay, these are our three teams at the top here, because where does Tennessee go if they win? Are they. Are they on that tier one now? If they find a way to win this game this weekend? So I think we'll. That'll be my narrative coming out. And I don't know which direction it's going to go, but it'll be all right. We're going to put them there. They're going back down. It's kind of like, I guess, whatever they say about soccer, how they relegate the teams back and forth, I don't know how it works because I don't watch it. So.
- [35:56]
Wesley
One thing I said on Monday with the SEC that it seems now, especially when you look at Mississippi State and Kentucky being competent and, yeah. Looking like they can actually do things, is that it seems to me like every team in the league could beat any other team in the league. Do you think that's true?
- [36:12]
Brent
There's not a team. We had this conversation on Macro and I's radio show one morning. Of which teams would you 100% eliminate from having a chance to go to Atlanta? Not win it. Just go to Atlanta. And we're sitting there on Vanderbilt in Arkansas and I'm like, I mean, I want to, but I can give you some reasons maybe that they could. Like possibly it can happen. And I'll put it this way, Blake.
- [36:39]
David
One in a million. So you're saying there's a chance.
- [36:42]
Brent
There is, but there. There's a singular. I think Kentucky was non zero, non zero chance. It was the only team. Kentucky, Mississippi State were the two that we looked at and said, I just, I can't do it. I cannot do it. If Blake Chapin's healthy, though, Kentucky's a problem. Their D line is a little bulkier. They beefed up over there just a little bit. I mean, you look at what the receivers they lost are doing at Missouri and A and M and everywhere else. And LSU and it's like, how did they go find more of these guys? But they did. Their running backs run hard, man. They got tight ends that help them out. The defense plays like their hair's on fire. They might. Their hair might be on fire the wrong way, but they don't care hard, man.
- [37:18]
David
They don't care. Just go mess. Hey, if you go mess up, mess up 3,000 miles an hour, I can live with that. Hey, Bama, how are we feeling about. Did you already put Bama in the middle class? Because I heard that a little bit. Like. Or do you think what you're seeing from them possibly last week with the bounce back or you just need to keep seeing more?
- [37:37]
Brent
I want to see more, but I think I'm. I think I'm okay on Bama. I think I'm gonna leave them up there because I think Florida State might be pretty good. They might be sporty. I saw some things from that group that I just absolutely loved how they operated up front on both sides of the ball. I think people look at the quarterback and they see like a long run. I was most impressed is that anything that Bama gave him that he had to make a decision on, he attacked it head on. Oh, you're going to leave the alley defender there. I'm going to throw right at him. You're going to leave that edge defender open. I'll run right at him and make him make the. He made them make decisions and it didn't work out well for him. And if he's going to be that kind of a dude, they got enough weapons around him where it'll be a problem. So I'm not moving Bama down yet. I look at this receiver core with Ryan Williams coming back and you know they had two freshmen that played. Rico Scott played. He's got extra juice, lost his Brooks plates. He's got real juice. They haven't had jam Miller, who's their best running back? He might come back this weekend. If not, he's definitely going to be back for Georgia. Tim Keenan's their best run stuffer and one of their best leaders on defense. He's been out. You were down another D tackle last week and all these guys are probably coming back. So I just look at that talent and I know good and well Kaylin deboer is a heck of a coach. Ryan Grubb is a heck of a coach. They're going to put a plan together that's going to help them move the football every week. So as long as we don't get the patty cake from the front seven on defense that we got against Florida State, I think we're going to be okay.
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Wesley
Something you tweeted today that I think is an actual legitimately great question. Question is, who is the best quarterback in the sec? Because I guess maybe a second. I don't. The second part of that is see.
- [39:18]
Brent
If David are on the same team here. This will be great.
- [39:21]
Wesley
Second part would maybe how many are trading their guy for another guy? I don't know that a lot of teams are actually trading their guy. I think so many of these teams love who they have.
- [39:30]
Brent
They're great for what they do. Yes, right. Exactly.
- [39:35]
David
There's only one guy for me, by the way. Like, it's not even a debate.
- [39:39]
Brent
We're gonna say at the same time and then we're going to see if. If we're on the same page. On Read and react. Monday night, our producers put these questions up and one of them, I can't. Honestly, I can't remember who the player was. And it said was blank. The best addition in the SEC this offseason, and it was not John Matier. And I about lost my mind. And I'm like, we just did. I. I just broke down four of his throws 10 minutes ago. Of which last week, the two throws I gave you that I sit on air, we won't see better throws than that all year. He just made 4 better than that this week. That I'm saying now, you won't see four more better than that all year. I don't know how. It's not John Matier, man. Like the guys.
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David
It's. It's John Matier. And my favorite thing about Cole is if you listen to his stuff, he didn't say that after the Michigan game. Like, a lot of people are like, oh, my God. Like, holy cow, this kid's really good. It's like, no, no. We have plenty of data to watch this kid. Like, we knew coming in he was going to be a superstar. Like, there was no doubt about it. And he's definitely. To me, it's. It's John Matier.
- [40:40]
Brent
He was backed up in his own Enzo against Northwestern, Oklahoma Tech, whoever they played week one. And he takes a hit, which, by the way, they got to knock out the free runners because he's gonna die if they keep letting that happen. Like, they can't. But he takes a hit, and the ball he throws down the sideline to Deion Burks taking a hit. It could not have been anywhere else for this young man to catch it in tight coverage. And I. That. I didn't need to see anything else that game. And I was like, that's the guy right there.
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David
Back shoulder to Lewis was good, too. Yeah. But now he's. He's. He's been unbelievable.
- [41:12]
Brent
Was the one that Cannon dropped in the end zone on the first pass, which, by the way, quick question for you guys. I asked this on my show today. Michigan ran a play where they tossed it, and he handed it to a receiver and pits it back to the quarterback, and he threw it. What do you reference that as?
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David
Like, what do you call it?
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Wesley
Fast or flea flicker?
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Brent
Or flea flicker. No, no, Brent said it.
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David
Reverse pass.
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Brent
Yeah. Why does every broadcaster in the history of football, when a reverse is run and then pitched to the quarterback to throw, call that a double reverse pass? That.
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Wesley
That's bad.
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David
I've never heard that one.
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Wesley
Reverse.
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Brent
Every time.
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David
I've never heard of that before.
- [41:57]
Brent
Pass. I'm like, there's no double. You have to go one way and then reverse the. This is what I said on the show today, David. I said no defender in the history of football has said double reverse. And trying to. Trying to get everybody on the back side away. That's never happened. Not one time ever.
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David
No.
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Brent
That's.
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Wesley
That's hilarious. All right, so. So call. I want to. I want to get your opinion on something that we do. So when we picked the games we like, Wes and I would kind of come up with this, but we were thinking tailgate items. So the main attraction, the main game of the weekend, we called the nugget platter. Do you agree with that as a. As the main thing of the tailgate? Because especially, by the way, with Davey, that's something that we know he would definitively eat. Like, what would you do? You wouldn't go nugget? You know, a few. Well, if we didn't go nugget platter, what would we go as the main sort of tailgate item that's the main game of the week. Like Georgia, Tennessee, A M, Notre Dame this week.
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David
Yeah.
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Brent
I'll never be mad at a nugget platter, specifically from Chick Fil A, because I would just house a lot of those. But I will say this. I'll have only one pushback on that, and that is that it is, to an extent, the easy way out. Like, let's be real. So it depends on the skill set of who we're dealing with, because if they can cook up something magnificent, if there's, like, a brisket, who. Yeah. Or like, I mean, some Kind of, you know, pigs in a blanket or some kind of dip. That's just phenomenal. Then we gotta go. That might be your staple first, but I get it. You can bring the nugget tray. You don't have to prepare it. No word goes into it. Everyone's gonna like it. It's gonna be gone by halftime, so you're good.
- [43:36]
Wesley
So chips and dip is actually another party of the game. By the way, Chip, we have chips and dip as well. That's not the marquee game, but we're really fired up to dig into it. And by the way, Vandy, South Carolina is. Is a chips and dip game this weekend.
- [43:48]
Brent
Just make sure it's not like Lays or Golden flakes. You gotta have chips that can handle the dip. This is number one. I mean, that's key. I would almost say you go some kind of a cracker, like a wheat thin. Because you can get a thick dip with a wheat thin.
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David
And you're Buffalo chicken dip. Buffalo chicken dip. Can we do that? Because I'm all game for that 100 now. You got to use the Greek yogurt in the good chicken, But Cole, I stick with the veggie platter. I think that's the best, personally.
- [44:12]
Brent
Yeah, that's. That's the Ivy League game every week.
- [44:18]
David
Well, okay, if you haven't heard of.
- [44:21]
Brent
Cole, the game on the CW that we get every week. Hey, by the way, not this week, though. Not this week. Oh, last week.
- [44:27]
David
Last week. Last week was Baylor smu. That was good too. So back to back weeks. All right. If you didn't know before this show, now you do. That Cole's a football psycho and that he's fantastic. So, Cole, where can we find you for all your stuff that you do, man? Because I know you're studied up, and I know you got your hands in a lot of things, homie.
- [44:47]
Brent
Yeah, it's a lot. Macaron Cubic in the morning, we're out of Birmingham. Jocksfm.com J-O-X-FM.com 7 to 10 Central. That's also live on YouTube, my podcast. I put it out every Monday. I watch the film of every sec team. I tell you what I saw Cube show. You can listen to it. You can watch it on YouTube. My wife and I have a podcast. Tuesday date night comes out. Wednesday morning, we go to. We have a date night every Tuesday night, and we talk about just random junk and random stuff of our lives and what's funny and what's happening. She calls me out on a lot of stuff. So it ends up being entertaining. And I'll be on South Carolina Vandy with Jordan and Tom this weekend. Saturday night. Gonna be a great atmosphere for that one fun game.
- [45:29]
David
Awesome atmosphere. Hey, we appreciate your time, big homie. And we'll catch up with you again down the road.
- [45:34]
Brent
Hey, I want to give Brett a shout out here. I have never witnessed a human being calmly discuss and break down football as you have in my entire life. So it's a compliment. It's a compliment because I think you can see David and I, certain things we talk about, we get really excited or we get really frustrated and angry about things that are probably not happening. And you are the exact same every. I gotta bring every play. It doesn't matter. Good, bad, indifferent. Good team, bad team, Good player, bad player. It is the exact same every time. I respect.
- [46:08]
Wesley
I got pretty fired up last year at the Indiana Notre Dame playoff game. I was not happy with, with Coach Sig and his approach in that game, but other than that, no. Try to stay pretty even keel because, you know, crazy cat over there beside me, he's going to bring enough energy for the both of us. We gotta, we gotta bring it, keep it, keep it calm.
- [46:27]
David
Hey, you got, you got McElroy for that for you because he does the same thing. He's. He's Mr. Analyt and pretty calm too. So appreciate you, big homie. We'll get you on again, brother.
- [46:36]
Brent
Sounds good. Thanks, guys.
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David
See you, bud.
- [46:37]
Brent
Thanks.
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