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Chris Counahan (2:33)

Week five, here we come. We've had so much fun throughout the first part of the season and now getting to that part of the season where I feel like we're starting to learn, we're starting to understand teams. And so we're going to do like our little playoff thing that we did before the season where we said who could possibly make the playoff and now going back kind of revisiting because we've been slowly hitting people upside the head, you know, as we go along, like whack a mole. Like, hey, you're gone, you're out of here. We've been getting rid of folks, so we'll continue to see who's alive. We did the playoff bracket. I did that earlier today, Brent. Just the top, the top 12 teams that would be in the playoff. My favorite thing is going to be who's at 12 and not in the playoff because people are going to absolutely freaking love that. But I think.

Brent (3:19)

I haven't seen it, by the way. I haven't.

Chris Counahan (3:20)

Okay, perfect.

Brent (3:21)

I saw the graphic, but I didn't look at it. So I, I got, I got nothing. I'm going to be revealing it just, or seeing it for the first time just like anybody else.

Chris Counahan (3:29)

You will absolutely love it. Let's get weird. And I think the, I think the, the one thing before we get to the SEC scheduling, which is really, really cool, is we have a new addition. Oh, we have a nice good looking lid. A team fresh off of a big win, the Texas Tech. Thank you to Joey McGuire. Thank you for the note for, for contributing to the helmet wall. We got the mounts in now. So, like, listen, this is piece by piece, bro. We don't, we don't build this in a day like this is. This is going to be slow and steady. But Texas tech, the Big 12 showing out. We getting plenty of helmets from the Big 12 with the love. We got the West Virginia still behind. We got Arizona State down here. So still.

Brent (4:11)

Was it Joey McGuire? Was it Cody Campbell?

Chris Counahan (4:13)

It was Joey McGuire. But we'll hear, we'll hear about Cody Campbell later, I'm sure. SEC scheduling. Interesting, interesting time to release this. That's, that's one thing very curious, the timing that we said, hey, you know, we're going to release this now, you know, this part of the season. But the next, you know, four years of three crossover games from all the SEC teams that you're going to play every year. So I think it's. It's kind of cool for fans. I think fans like rivalries. Like, there's. There's not. No, I don't think we know. Right. Like, we know. We know that we know the rivalries and we know what they mean to college football fans. So there's a lot of crossovers. There's some omissions that I think we'll talk about, too. That. That surprised me. But there's also. No, this is impossible to keep everybody happy. Like, it's, it's. It's a zero percent chance. There's too many leagues. There's too many teams now that have come in the SEC. But I do like the flavor of SEC East. I like the flavor of the Big 12. Like, I like how the old school Big 12 and how they've kind of mixed it together and obviously kept you that you tried to keep your most important rivals. But some of the crossovers that people don't even understand how important they are to people, our rivals that are they also, you know, kept in place. But we've got that. We've got the graphic that we can show. The graphic, I think is really cool. Chris Lowe was the one who put it out. And so there's like an official.

Brent (5:40)

I think it's an official thing tomorrow, if I remember right. And he kind of. He kind of got it. Leaked it, I think. Well, that's the interesting part that you asked. Why the. Why, like, did he actually leak it? Sort of.

Chris Counahan (5:56)

To get some responses or.

Brent (5:58)

Because the day maybe. So there wasn't a different topic of conversation in.

Chris Counahan (6:04)

In the sec. Really? That's curious. I wonder what that could be. Maybe.

Brent (6:09)

Maybe the officiating.

Chris Counahan (6:10)

Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?

Brent (6:12)

Yep. No, but I mean, yeah, so it's. It's the matchups. It's DID And Chris Lower, you know, is a. Now with. On three. Used to be with espn. So we. We do that. But it's the three permanent ones.

Chris Counahan (6:30)

Correct.

Brent (6:31)

Remember, they're going to nine. So this is only a third of the schedule. And by the way, shout out. Shane in the chat said so it was awesome to see Mark Rick speak at UGA for the Parkinson's fundraiser.

Chris Counahan (6:42)

It was. He does the bowling event that's coming up in several weeks every year. And it's. It's fat. They raised over a million dollars, I think, year one. Like, that's no doubt. Shane, like, he is a He is a stud. Great to see coach Rick. Great to see him walk up there too, on his own strength and just being a stud.

Brent (6:59)

So what was out of. Out of these three permanent opponents and if. For those of you that haven't seen. If you're on Twitter, there's numerous graphics and things like that that show each.

Chris Counahan (7:08)

The graphics really permanently. I like the.

Brent (7:12)

For four years. Oh, yeah. Each one.

Chris Counahan (7:14)

Yeah. I think it's really cool how they did it.

Brent (7:16)

My biggest takeaway is that they at least got each team's number one rival, like main number one team. And then the rest of it, I'm just kind of like, yeah, it. It matters, but it doesn't. Somebody was going to get lucky like Tennessee and get Kentucky and Vanderbilt, I think. And that was. If you look at maybe who won that, it's teams that don't really win the conference traditionally or. Or I guess are in the race to win the conference traditionally. But outside of that, like the one that. From a fan perspective and just loving the games, no lsu, Bama is a permanent thing. I think that hurts.

Chris Counahan (7:59)

That's by far.

Brent (8:00)

That's just a great game. Always a great game. Always. And it's a fun rivalry. It's like you said, the old SEC west type stuff. But outside of that, it's a third of the schedule. All these games will be fun. Maybe at some point in those four years, Georgia might actually play at Texas A and M because it has yet to happen since they have been in the SEC, which I think is now like 13 or 14 years. So maybe that'll happen in the next four years. It's amazing.

Chris Counahan (8:25)

Getting old. They've been in their league that long. I was literally, I think so in my head. I was like, that's been 10 years. But yeah, I think if you're. If you're. If you're Tennessee, you're the winner. Like, congratulations. You definitely get the winner. You. You avoid Georgia, you still get Bama the third Saturday, November. But Kentucky and Vanderbilt obviously is not. Is not too bad. Who do you think got like hose the most? Because when I look at Auburn, I'm like, you get Georgia and Bama. And then they're like, okay, you know what? Auburn screwed.

Brent (9:00)

Well, they've gotten them every year anyway, so.

Chris Counahan (9:02)

So they're screwed. So here. Here's what we're going to do. Going to give them Vandy. Like, I think that's kind of what they said was like, all right, we know this sucks because you've had two of the bigger teams. And listen, it's still. The jury's still out on Bama and what they're going to be and who they're going to be moving forward. Obviously, you know, Wes, you know, our famous worldwide producer, Worldwide west. And they're buried Alabama after. After week one and, you know, six feet under. But I thought that was interesting. I thought that, you know, Mississippi State, I was like, you gotta give them. You gotta give them Ole Miss. And then I was like, vanderbilt in Alabama, okay, A and M's got lsu, Missouri and Texas. That's not fun. That's. That's not fun at all. South Carolina, I was like, okay, it's not horrible of where Florida's at because they get Georgia, Florida and uk, Kentucky and South Carolina. There's a perfect example, though, about this. And then we can move on from this. But, like, Georgia and South Carolina is a good rivalry. And, like, that's a rivalry that we grew up with playing every year in the SEC East. And despite how good South Carolina was or wasn't, that game was always awesome. It always seemed to be close. Like, that was a fun, you know, little rivalry game that I think that we all enjoyed watching. But you. But with this conference expansion, there has to be things that you lose and there has to be things. And again, it's only four years and then they can kind of rotate it and mix it up and see how it went.

Brent (10:28)

But the other thing, too is how quickly that can change.

Chris Counahan (10:33)

Yeah.

Brent (10:34)

Because of, you know, one team gets rid of a coach and then a year or two later, what wasn't great is now great. So that. That was. That it's. It's always fluid. It's a. And it's a third of your conference games. You know, 2/3 are still yet to be determined. And I think they do the whole thing maybe tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken. But it's. It's for fans. This is for fans. And, you know, hey, this is the team that I'm going to be seeing every year for the next four years at least. These teams. And yeah, the other part that stinks too, is if you're, you know, Florida or Georgia and Florida, if you're Oklahoma, Texas, you know, it's. You already knew it was a neutral site game, and you're just getting confirmed that it's a neutral site game. That sort of stuff. I mean, the fact that it's the timeline of four years, does that make it. That it's. That it's going to happen to where there's 20 or 24 teams?

Chris Counahan (11:28)

Remember, after this year, the Big Ten, you know, in the SEC run the sport. And the changes will come and they'll decide basically what's going to happen with the future of college football. So it's going to be super, super interesting. And I think we all think there's as much parity as we've ever seen, which is crazy. So, like, the power is going to go to the two that are making the most money, the two most talented leagues. But man, oh, man, it's definitely, it's definitely crazy to watch football and say, like, this is, this is definitely a year where there's a bunch of really good teams again and I don't know who's going to win it. Like, I don't even know who's the best team in the country. Like, you know, we can have a legit debate right now, and usually by this time of the year we're like, oh, I think so, and so is the best, or so and so's the best. And I think there's, there's plenty of balance and there's plenty of. There's a team in each conference that.

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Chris Counahan (14:55)

At least, which is really cool.

Brent (14:57)

And the other part, the last thing for me with the SEC stuff is that hopefully they use strength of you know how good these teams are one year use it to project forward, kind of even out the schedule as best as possible where you don't get a situation like Oklahoma that has literally every ranked team on their schedule and Texas that does not. I hope it gets more balanced and but you know again that's year to year it's fluctuation with the way the portal is and the way these teams are going. But you mentioned the parity part. So earlier in the off season we looked at all the teams that we thought could that had a legitimate chance from each of the power four conferences.

Chris Counahan (15:37)

Well in your words a non point.

Brent (15:39)

Zero, non zero chance. A non zero chance because I included Vandy in that. In that, in that, in that group. So I was wanted to sort of re look at that. We're, we're a third of the way into the season.

Chris Counahan (15:52)

Yeah.

Brent (15:53)

And see kind of where we are with that. And if you look at teams that we included initially and then teams that maybe we didn't even talk about that are now sort of potentially still a playoff team. That's the interesting part of it because there's one big time one that we didn't even mention that is now squarely in the playoff conversation and I'll start in that league, that's the acc. So preseason we had Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech, smu, Louisville and then very fringe off the end Kind of Duke and Virginia Tech. I think you can eliminate Duke, Virginia Tech and Clemson now. There's no potential.

Chris Counahan (16:33)

They're all gone. That's easy.

Brent (16:34)

They're eliminated.

Chris Counahan (16:36)

They're all eliminated.

Brent (16:38)

SMU was the other one that I think is definitely. Even though they haven't played a conference game yet, I think they're definitely eliminated. But so remaining teams, Miami, Georgia Tech and Louisville that we looked at in the preseason. Who's the one that I haven't mentioned yet?

Chris Counahan (16:55)

Florida State.

Brent (16:56)

We did not mention Florida State.

Chris Counahan (16:59)

I said Florida State would be the biggest turnaround.

Brent (17:01)

Yeah, we talked about them as elite team, but we didn't talk about them as a playoff team.

Chris Counahan (17:05)

No. And it's been, it's been unbelievable. And it just shows you like it reminds you how much the quarterback, the offensive coordinator combination, it just reminds you how much it's, it's just when that thing is together and that thing's right how good it can be. And you know, and you, you fired coordinators like this is. There's new guys that are there that are doing a great job. But you know, both oc, both dc, you go in the portal and I think with being such a portal heavy team, you can have this from year to year. But the biggest thing is the OC and the quarterback combination has them squarely in the mix to as one of the best teams in the country, not just, you know, in the acc.

Brent (17:47)

And what's amazing. So we talked last, we talked at least with Missouri, when we did, something's brewing with Missouri about how PFF has. Pro Football Focus has this odds to make the College Football Playoff based on their power ratings. So I looked at it again today. There are 37 teams with at least a 10 chance to make the College Football Playoff. The lowest ranked team that has that at least on their minds with the percentage chance 6% chance to make the College Football Playoff is Florida State. They're projecting ahead at them as a kind of an eight win team. I don't know that I see that. I think I, I see more than eight wins.

Chris Counahan (18:28)

Those projections suck. I can't stand the projections. Fpi, like for the ESPN stuff, like they suck. They're terrible. Like I'm not, I'm not looking at that crap. Like I don't, I've never looked at that crap.

Brent (18:42)

1, 2 and 3 and 4 or 1, 2, 3 and 4 for making the playoff is Ohio State, Georgia, Oregon and Miami. So they got.

Chris Counahan (18:49)

Okay, all right. And so out of that, like, are you, are you ready to go ahead and Say Georgia's in the playoff. No, no, I'm not. Like Ohio State feel really good about it. Miami feel really good about it. If you think I've already conceded and said, yeah, Georgia's in there, like, nah, bro, not a chance in Hades, no way.

Brent (19:08)

I agree. So the Big 12 preseason, we had Arizona State, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, tcu, Texas Tech and Utah. And the only one that's completely gone there is Kansas State.

Chris Counahan (19:23)

Utah's gone too.

Brent (19:25)

So you think you would eliminate them?

Chris Counahan (19:28)

Yeah, I mean that, that was disturbing what I saw with their offense. Like, I thought their offense would be a little bit more explosive. I just don't think they're dynamic enough to, to go into a lot of these games the rest of the way and win shootouts. Now again, maybe they can possess the football, but you know that, that's, I would say this, that's kind of prisoner of the moment, you know, like that's kind of watching them get beat down by Texas Tech at home. Like, that's, you know, that, that. Trust me, the Big Ten, when. I'll give you another one too. Coming up. You're, you're, you're fighting a line.

Brent (19:55)

I, but, yeah, I, I include that. But anyway, they got Arizona State at home. They don't play Iowa State. They don't play tcu. They don't play. They do get, they do have to go to Baylor, go to Kansas. But yeah, the other thing is that they played potentially the best defensive line. They'll play the entire season.

Chris Counahan (20:15)

Yeah, they see how they change and flex that. But that was, that was.

Brent (20:19)

All right. So I'll put them on the cross off list. Two teams that I added just because I didn't want to cross them off at this point was BYU in Kansas.

Chris Counahan (20:30)

Yeah.

Brent (20:31)

Kansas is already 1 and 0 in the league.

Chris Counahan (20:33)

Yep.

Brent (20:33)

And maybe Missouri's just really good and they lost to a really good Missouri team.

Chris Counahan (20:37)

They are.

Brent (20:38)

And they, and they can be explosive and, and do things offensively.

Chris Counahan (20:41)

Byu, I think the biggest thing about Kansas too is like, I think Kansas has more impact players on defense than I've seen him have ever, like in the last several years. I know they could score and I know they could be a pain in your butt, but I think they have enough guys now that can actually get stops, that can actually get the football back to their tempo based offense, that has a quarterback that's been there for a long time, that's a playmaker. So I can ride with Kansas in that league. Still very much being a contender, which if you're a contender. Remember, you're still on the hunt for the playoff.

Brent (21:11)

Yeah. For this league. Because you win this league, you're in. BYU, by the way, doesn't play ranked team until October 25th. They've got.

Chris Counahan (21:21)

Yeah.

Brent (21:22)

At Colorado, West Virginia, at Arizona, then Utah, who's not currently ranked.

Chris Counahan (21:26)

And they will play. And they won't be undefeated until that point either. So that's all right.

Brent (21:31)

So, so you wouldn't want to include BYU in that list?

Chris Counahan (21:34)

I would not include them, no.

Brent (21:35)

Okay, I'll, I'll change that because we got to keep this updated. Maybe every third of the season or something like that. All right. Big Ten, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State. And then the eyes. Illinois, Indiana and Iowa. Usc, Michigan, Nebraska. I think you can take three of those teams off Iowa, Illinois and Nebraska.

Chris Counahan (21:57)

I mean, Nebraska lost by a field goal to Michigan. You're eliminating them. They're gone. They have no shot. Have you seen their schedule?

Brent (22:05)

I mean. Yes, I have. And schedule. I thought that was the one game. That was the one game to me, they had to win, though.

Chris Counahan (22:14)

Yeah, I, I, I was, I, I was incur. If, if Nebraska can clean up, obviously. Listen, they, they've, they got beat up in the trenches now. They handled themselves well, minus big plays, but offensive line got eviscerated. Like, that was a problem. But Dylan Raiola stood in there and still continued to, to play Good. They can continue. I wouldn't, I wouldn't eliminate Nebraska yet.

Brent (22:36)

They got USC at home.

Chris Counahan (22:39)

Yeah.

Brent (22:39)

And then USC at Penn State.

Chris Counahan (22:44)

We're gonna find out about Penn State.

Brent (22:46)

When they'd have to win some other ones. So.

Chris Counahan (22:49)

Okay.

Brent (22:49)

I'll leave them in as a maybe.

Chris Counahan (22:51)

Okay.

Brent (22:52)

Just, just for you, Illinois, I think, is, I think they're done. You don't get beat that bad unless.

Chris Counahan (22:58)

They went out fitty and come back.

Brent (23:00)

Like, they have to beat Ohio State at home. That's the only way.

Chris Counahan (23:03)

And win out Signetti. Like, we know we're always going to get gold from him. And like, did you know you could do this? Yeah, we watched the Duke game. That's what he said. He's like. We watched the Duke game. Like, we saw him get eviscerated by Duke up front. We thought we could do the same thing. Like, I mean, just vintage. But I think Indiana and Iowa this week will get rid of one of your eyes. And I love Iowa. I love their toughness. I love their physicality. Like, I don't. There's no way they're going to win enough games because they're not going to Score enough points. But, but I do, I do say this like if you don't watch and you don't like football and listen, I'm a trench guy. I love trenches. Their offensive line is good, man. Like their offensive line is physical. Yes.

Brent (23:49)

Like, yes, very much.

Chris Counahan (23:50)

They're a bunch of big space eaten movers. Like they're running backs. They got a bunch of them and including Granowski who can also run the football. Like they can shorten games. And you know, their defense finally got a turnover last week against Rutgers which was a good sight to see and played a little bit better. They made a few pat. They made a big passing play, little, little slot fade late in the game. That really helped them. So maybe, maybe, maybe Iowa has a chance against Indiana defensively with that zone and the way they, they stay back. But it's, it's more like Mary Swansonite. Swansonite. Swansonite. Swanson.

Brent (24:24)

So you're telling me there's a chance I'm going to keep off Iowa? One that I didn't, that I added, that we didn't discuss in the preseason was Washington. Just because we haven't seen any play anybody play then play anyone. And we know they can score like those three all the quarterback, running back, receiver, Boston Coleman.

Chris Counahan (24:42)

They're a better trio in the country.

Brent (24:44)

That's.

Chris Counahan (24:44)

It's debatable.

Brent (24:45)

As good as it gets. Coleman's been just a joy to watch run the football and we get to see it this week against Ohio State. So I added them as a potential.

Chris Counahan (24:53)

They struggle with. They struggled last last week. In a couple weeks they've been scoring 70.

Brent (24:58)

Yeah, I mean, all right, SEC, we included every team except for Arkansas, Mississippi State and Kentucky. And then I added Vanderbilt as a non zero chance. I think we can eliminate South Carolina and Florida. 11 of the 16 still.

Chris Counahan (25:23)

There's 16 in the league.

Brent (25:23)

12 if you include 12 if you include Vandy.

Chris Counahan (25:28)

Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I think a good debate would literally be like, yes, the SEC is 100 million percent the best league in college football. It's not even close from, from top to bottom from competitiveness. But we're going to see at the top if their top is as good as the Big Ten. You know, like I think obviously a big showdown this week too with, with Oregon and Penn State. That helps us figure out what the top looks like in the Big Ten.

Brent (25:53)

Yes. And Jag, just the guy with the dog face. That Washington offense is legit. We get to see it this week against Ohio State. You want me to make you mad again with the, the predictions piece for PFF?

Chris Counahan (26:05)

Sure.

Brent (26:06)

I mean current playoff odds, Vanderbilt 27, Oklahoma 24.

Chris Counahan (26:12)

Well, I mean I, I, I get where they're coming from. It's a, it's a, it's a projection equation of who you're playing. But like no it's not because in the end mathematics are going to play a part of this. But just like what you see with the rankings, there's also going to come in common sense and people that have to vote. So I just, I understand that but like you, in the end it's also human beings, not computers that are voting. Which is, which is we're thankful for. I'm thankful for some people get pissed, but I'm, I'm extremely thankful that the computers are still there.

Brent (26:44)

And then lastly the, the group of five we had Boise, Tulane, Memphis, Navy, unlv, James Madison and Liberty, which by the way, Liberty is I think one in three. Now they're gone. Memphis is the clear leader. The only other AD I think is maybe North Texas, the way they've played.

Chris Counahan (26:59)

Yeah. And some of their schedule, they, they won an OT. They were up by 17, blew a 17 point lead and then won an OT. Thank goodness for them like 4 0. So yeah, they're absolutely in it.

Brent (27:09)

All right, so in terms of total number, we had 43 based upon our back and forth there. Now if we, if I leave In Nebraska, that's 39 teams still eligible to be in the College Football Playoff from our estimation. And like I said, 37. 37 with greater than 10 according to, to PFF. The point you just made about the SEC, it was a great sort of YouTube poll that was there. So thanks. For those of you that are interacting on YouTube like Tyrell, 8096. SEC is college football. Just check the ratings because the question was which conference has been the best conference in college football this year, sec or big 10? And it's depth sec, easy to me, top of the heap. It might still be the Big Ten unfortunately for the S. We'll find out.

Chris Counahan (28:03)

Yeah, you know, it's because it's also interesting. You know you have the Texas and Ohio State at. Ohio State was at home. And as much as we point to Arch and not doing his job and not looking good and looking overwhelmed, they barely lost the football game. Like barely lost it.

Brent (28:17)

So seven point game.

Chris Counahan (28:19)

And Kane's cats had heat in the chat. 305 for the 305 he said all that matters is the championship. I don't agree with that. I don't think that's all that determines what the best conference is. But the Big Ten can absolutely say they got the last two national champions. But if you want to go like the 15 before that, it's a little different animal or 20 before that.

Brent (28:39)

But it's all this playoff talk.

Chris Counahan (28:42)

Yeah.

Brent (28:44)

I think it's time to look at your playoff.

Chris Counahan (28:46)

Yeah, let's do it. I put this together today and I just, I love this. I love when you do this exercise and you start to rank people because I think you start to realize how hard it is to do. Like, it's very easy to critique. It's very easy to say, why is so and so not ranked? Why is so and so not number one? But when you start to do it yourself, it makes it becomes a lot more difficult to me. But number one team in the country, I have Miami, I have Miami as the, the Notre Dame win USF in Florida. They beat both of them by, by 19 plus, like, to me, that's the. They're four and oh, an extra game. Like, I've, I've got Miami at the number one spot. Ohio State, I've got at the two spot. Obviously they beat Texas, but they paid Grambling State, which is, which was a nothing. It was 70 to nothing. The Ohio game was actually somewhat competitive. If you watch that game, it was a, yeah, you know, it was like a 13 to 9 score in the third quarter. It was a really, it was a good game before the talent obviously won out and they ran away with it. You know, so I have Ohio State at 2 and you can see the bracket if you're on YouTube with us. I got OU at 3. I think some people might say that's too high. I don't, I don't agree with it. Obviously they're four and oh, you know, 2413 win at Michigan, 2417 win at Auburn. Obviously, those are two really good football teams. Here's what I'll say though, Brent, they did both of them at home and.

Brent (30:17)

You said, so make sure you clear that up. Those are both, those are both home games.

Chris Counahan (30:20)

Those are both at home. Yeah. And so I'll be judging, you know, I'll be judging that with Oklahoma, you know, moving forward because I do want to see them go on the road again. It's the hardest thing in football to me to do. And when you're doing this, it's resume, it's, what have you done?

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Chris Counahan (33:08)

That'S subject to week to week because otherwise you'd have LSU a lot higher on this list. But you continue to see Clemson and that counts, right? Like that falls off. Off of a cliff as we learn more and more. And then you. Then that's where you have to use the eye test as well. So that's the way that's kind of the criteria I use for this. I got FSU at 4 and I think that's probably too high for some people. But slap down Bama 31 to 17, like that's one of the best, most impressive wins in the country. And they've outscored their other two opponent opponents 143 to 13. Like it ain't been close. The games were over as soon as they started. So like I have no problem with FSU with the big like the Titans.

Brent (33:53)

They're like the North Dakota Titans.

Chris Counahan (33:54)

Yeah. I mean taking care of business. Like they've done everything that they've needed to do. 5. I got UGA and so I think that at Tennessee win is one of the most. Most impressive wins now with that I. It's a huge win. Also comes the defense didn't play great. The offense played a lot better than we thought. Are they more complete than we thought? So that's an interesting team. You know to me to rank moving forward and to have them ahead of LSU because I'm more impressed at the Tennessee than I am at Clemson. Like the LSU was. Was a great win at Clemson. But was it as good as we thought? Now I don't think so. Like I don't think it's near as good as we thought. Florida 20 to 10. They got five picks and they won the football game. That's all that matters. But there's legit concerns about their offense. So I don't have LSU maybe as high as others. How am I doing so far?

Brent (34:50)

I think you're doing really good. And I. So I've looked at what you've done, the totality of what you've done. We have the same exact teams. I wrote. I did it on my own and wrote it down. We have this at least the same 11, the same first 11, just in a different order.

Chris Counahan (35:06)

Okay.

Brent (35:06)

For me I had Ohio State at 1, Miami at 2 just because to me Ohio State is. Ohio State is one until they're not for. For me personally just because of the players with combined of them handling their business until they don't. Now that might change this weekend. That might change a lot this weekend. They gonna struggle at Washington. Okay, then we might need to flip that. I had Georgia 3 mainly because of the road win. And then I had A and M above Oregon because of the road win. Like when you Go at Notre Dame. Oregon really hasn't beaten much really of anyone outside that. I had the same 11.

Chris Counahan (35:48)

Wow. And that's. And we didn't, we didn't get to finish. For everybody that's listening, which I think is, is good.

Brent (35:52)

Oh, yeah. Finish is good.

Chris Counahan (35:54)

So, so Oregon, the top, the next, the next seated team. And the thing that's, that's about Oregon. I got them at 7. They haven't played anybody that, that gives them any kind of credit. They're scoring over 50 a game. They've been dominant. I believe what I've seen. I believe in their coach. So that's where I got them. Ahead of Penn State. Penn State 4 0. Kind of on cruise control. But we'll see this week. Right. Like we get to see those two teams. And whoever wins that game immediately is going to get a huge bump. And I think Oregon wins this game, they get a bigger bump going to Penn State. Taking care of business will be very interesting to watch. Yeah. Then I got A and M, which 41 to 40 win Notre Dame. They haven't looked crisp. They haven't looked like, you know, a team that's hammering people. So I'm okay with them sliding down a little bit, but, you know, give it up 24 to UTSA. I think they gave up 22 to Utah State. Like, it's, it's so, so that's. Notre Dame win is a good win to me. And again, some people think Notre Dame shouldn't be ranked. I would argue that they've got a combined 4.4-point total points and losses into both the top 10 teams. It's not near as bad as it looks. Indiana rounding out with, with number 11. Indiana sluggish week one against ODU. Since that point, Brent, 192 to 19. They've outscored opponents.

Brent (37:17)

Yeah. Indiana's 10.

Chris Counahan (37:18)

You got Indiana 10, Indiana 10. 192 to 19. Like that's, I'm not a great mathematician.

Brent (37:26)

Belt.

Chris Counahan (37:27)

That's belt. Bottom.

Brent (37:29)

Yes, that's belt.

Chris Counahan (37:31)

How about 11? Another team from the state of Texas. Texas Tech, the Red Raiders. After that, you belt meet bottom with Utah. You know, 24 point win at Utah. Domination the first three weeks against lesser opponents.

Brent (37:47)

So speaking of Texas, by the way. Yeah, I, I kind of, I kind of see. I see one team from, from the state of Texas. That is a big one. That's not there.

Chris Counahan (38:01)

North Texas. Yeah, they didn't make it. They might make it though.

Brent (38:04)

Memphis got, Memphis has the 12 spot over North Texas.

Chris Counahan (38:06)

Yeah, I say North Texas Might still make it. I should have done that, actually. I should have put another Texas team in there.

Brent (38:13)

That would have been good.

Chris Counahan (38:13)

My, my 12th ranked team is Texas, my number 12 team for the playoffs. You don't get to do that. Remember, like a group of five has to go in. So I would have to put Memphis in right now. And you could, you can flip a coin if you really wanted to, but Memphis, the win at Arkansas, the beating Arkansas, obviously hosting Arkansas was a big deal. Like, that's a big win. They found a way to eat that out. And Tulane got throttled this past week. So. And you actually have the comparables because Arkansas played Ole Miss the week before, like, so that's definitely, you know, something that you can, you can also see. But Memphis is in and they're not one of the top 12 teams in the country, but they'd be in the playoff. And that's all that matters.

Brent (38:55)

And that's why I still don't like it. But just in terms of fun, if this were happening today, you get Georgia, Memphis, where the coaches called out Kirby.

Chris Counahan (39:05)

Kind of why I picked. That's kind of why I picked Memphis too, because he, he just called out Kirby. And in this case, he would get him and destroy him. Hey, Brad.

Brent (39:14)

Some fun of the matches.

Chris Counahan (39:15)

Kane's most overrated team in college football. Couldn't Disagree more, Bradley. Mr. Brad, I could not disagree more. Lines of scrimmage are as dominant on both sides of the ball as anybody in the country. Keep hating on the canes, keep hating on the you, and they'll keep doing what they're supposed to do.

Brent (39:31)

You have a Heisman vote, right, don't you?

Chris Counahan (39:33)

Yes, sir, I do.

Brent (39:34)

Would Reuben Bain be on that list right now for you?

Chris Counahan (39:37)

I don't care because it doesn't matter right now. Like, I'm so tired. What a waste of. What a waste of space to talk about the Heisman votes right now. Like, he's been dominant. I've seen all the people, all the stuff that people are putting out, everybody's cherry picking off of it. I see it like, I just, I don't understand that right now. But like, John Mattier would be, you know, number one for me so far from what I've seen, but that's all it matters.

Brent (40:00)

I was just curious.

Chris Counahan (40:01)

Tommy would be in there from fsu, from what he's able to do from an excitement standpoint, that was as good as it gets. Bo Pur Buella has put up some stupid stats. Like it's been. So be some kind of kind of some cool cast of characters, though I do like that.

Brent (40:15)

If you haven't, just in case you haven't heard, it's a really big weekend in college football. There are some. And by the way, and that's, that's a fun exercise. I think maybe another four weeks go by or when's the actual. I can't remember when the actual rankings, the first playoff rankings. Maybe we need to do that right before the first ones come out just to see if yours match with the actual playoff rankings. But that's fun just to look at the matchups because, like, even, you know, Georgia, if they beat Memphis, they would have to play Florida State in your bracket right there.

Chris Counahan (40:45)

Yeah.

Brent (40:46)

After what happened a couple years ago in the bowl game, that, that would be a fun rematch in a way. But. All right, so November 4th is the, is the. When we get. Start getting rankings. So we'll do it another time before then. But yeah, big weekend. Just a tad of college football games. Three major, major matchups. So we're going to talk about those three big matchups first. And I want to, I want to paint a picture for this first game.

Chris Counahan (41:14)

Okay.

Brent (41:15)

LSU at Ole Miss. Ole Miss is a two and a half point favorite. The last I looked. So Leah comes up to you next year before.

Chris Counahan (41:26)

By the way, she's 15.

Brent (41:27)

David's daughter, Leah, she comes up to you before the Oconee game. So you coach for North Oconee. Oconee is the cross county rival. She comes up to you for the, for the Oconee game.

Chris Counahan (41:36)

Right.

Brent (41:37)

With the week of. And says, dad, my, my new boyfriend is the starting middle linebacker for a Coney. How are you feeling about that?

Chris Counahan (41:47)

I'm putting, I'm putting a bounty out on that sucker because that's what we got today. Oh, that's so.

Brent (41:55)

I mean, I know it's, it's social.

Chris Counahan (41:56)

Media galore, but it doesn't matter.

Brent (41:59)

That's so hilarious. Like Lane Kiffin's dog. For those of you that don't know, don't have a look. Lane Kiffin's daughter, I think Landry is her name.

Chris Counahan (42:05)

Yeah.

Brent (42:06)

She posted a picture and I guess weeks, who is LSU's linebacker and by the way, from Oconee county, right down the road from us.

Chris Counahan (42:15)

Oh, yeah.

Brent (42:16)

Is her man, evidently.

Chris Counahan (42:19)

So getting some more juice in this game. Which is. Which is what?

Brent (42:23)

And you know, that's calculated. You know, there's, there is a million percent reason, like, did Lane tell her, hey, do this so I don't have to answer who my starting quarterback is. Let me just answer questions about you and your boyfriend. No one asked me about the starting quarterback. I mean we're gonna ask him about it.

Chris Counahan (42:40)

We're gonna ask him who's starting quarterback is. When he comes on, does he line.

Brent (42:43)

Up in the eye formation and put like a, you know, 280 pound fullback in and run ISO first play of the game just to run at weeks like the.

Chris Counahan (42:54)

Hey, I think that's fun. Like obviously it's not going to be a part of the story but, but when you, when you think about these, these two rivals, LSU and Ole Miss, they, they've played 22 times. What do you think the record is in those games?

Brent (43:09)

Just pretty close to even. I would 12 and 10, 11, 10.

Chris Counahan (43:14)

And 1 like these games and they're exciting games typically been exciting, fun, high scoring. You know, they definitely are games that are, that are close. You know, obviously the proximity to each other is awesome. You know, Lane brings so much excitement. Brian Kelly and Lane Kiffin are two of three active head coaches with, with 100 FPS wins. Like these are, these are two successful coaches at a lot of stops, engineers of what they do, you know, like that's, that's who they are and what they are. So it's going to be fun to watch who can dial up what, whose offense is looking explosive. Lane with. With a chance to have the quarterback type of, type of matchup like Lane in his element with his acumen because Lane's one of the best play callers in all of college football against a defense that we've seen has kicked the crap out of everybody, bro. Like they have been unbelievable. Not giving up explosive plays, not giving up anything, man. Just owning their opponents. And now like that matchup we get to see live and I just think it's going to be, it's going to be toe to toe, blow for blow. It's, it's, it's the game we're not talking about. We're not going to talk about probably enough this week, but you're going to turn it on. You're going to be like this is freaking awesome. What's going to win? Great defense that used to win games or great offense.

Brent (44:35)

I'm going to give you some numbers. You talked about LSU's defense and numbers by the way that are brought to you by Pro Football Focus. There's a promo code in the Link. Get ball 25. You can get 25 off a PFF plus subscription. Get all access to all this data, most of this, all this data that I'm. That I'm showing. But you mentioned that about LSU's defense. Don't throw at Monsoon Delane.

Chris Counahan (44:56)

No.

Brent (44:57)

4. He's an 89.4 coverage grade. He's a lot. Four catches on 18 targets for only 36 yards. He has an interception and a four pass breakups. If you throw at anyone else, the completion percentage for the other team throwing at every anyone but him is 73% and it's 4 out of 18 throwing at him. So my guess is that Lane Kiffin will just design offense that avoids that guy and attacks other guys no matter who plays quarterback. Which, which, who, which quarterback do you think should play?

Chris Counahan (45:32)

Well, I don't think it's debatable.

Brent (45:34)

I don't think it is Trinidad.

Chris Counahan (45:35)

It's trinidad to me. 307 yards last week, 112 rushing. I mean he's just, he's, he's got some, some moxie, some savvy. I think he's got, I love his demeanor. It's kind of calm and cool and he's not a big guy whatsoever. But he doesn't get flustered. He can throw the ball on time, he can throw it in rhythm. And I think the, the second element to it is like, I think you can trust him because of the experience. Remember one of Division 2 National Championship. Have played a ton of football, man. Like, he's not like a flash in the pan, but his running ability really gives you an advantage and you need that versus LSU and Simmons, whether he's coming back now or later in the season, regardless. If you got a high ankle sprain, bro, you ain't yourself for a long time. Like it takes a long time. And here's the thing too. If he was completely healthy, it'd still be a debate because Trinidad has been absolutely flawless. He's been so good running and throwing and I think he makes this offense more dangerous to stop. So I don't think there's a decision and I do think Lane dials up ball plays as well as anybody. And I think it's going to be nice to have a guy that has so much experience and poise.

Brent (46:49)

You want me give you some numbers to back up your decision or. Let me ask you a question.

Chris Counahan (46:53)

Okay.

Brent (46:53)

So, pff. We have all these quarterback metrics under the sun. Any sort of thing you can think about from the quarterback position. How many do you think that Austin Simmons either grade, completion percentage, yards per 10, any. Anything that you can think of. How many do you think that Austin Simmons is better at than Trinidad?

Chris Counahan (47:14)

He's throwing More interceptions? No, no, he's throwing more interceptions.

Brent (47:20)

If that's your definition of better than. Yes, that is correct. He is better at throwing it to the other team. He's better at throwing it to the other team. But other than.

Chris Counahan (47:27)

No, he's not better. He's not.

Brent (47:28)

Every grade, every situation, everything that you look at.

Chris Counahan (47:34)

Reading, running like. Yeah. Deep ball in between safeties and, and, and corners like it's, it's, it's impressive to watch, man.

Brent (47:44)

The point you made a little bit ago is hit the poise. It looks. He looks like he has the offense so much more under control.

Chris Counahan (47:56)

Yeah, just does. All right. He looks good for sure.

Brent (48:01)

My early lean home team by the way on that one. All right, next game, two night games side by side, two boxing this, two TVs. However you want to do it. For one is Bama Georgia. Do we get a repeat of last year's insanity at least from a points perspective? Maybe not the type of game flow but from a points perspective.

Chris Counahan (48:23)

I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you a couple stats. You know, I'll probably just repeat myself in this show when we do all of our picks. But Kirby Smart has 19 career losses as a head coach. Six are to Alabama. Six, like that's a big deal. Like, and for those six are by seven points or fewer. Like close.

Brent (48:51)

But only two of them in the regular season, right?

Chris Counahan (48:53)

Yeah, but, but Georgia's allowed like, like Georgia's allowed a lot of points to Alabama. They've scored on them well as well as anybody that faces them. There's a lot of numbers the other way with Kaylin DeBoer at home. But the home winning streak for Geor Georgia very much in jeopardy. 33 straight games at home. It's a huge advantage. One of the best crowds. The last time we saw Ty Simpson go on the road, he looked very mortal. He looked very human. Since then, that sucker had 20 incompletions in the FSU game. He's got five since, bro.

Brent (49:30)

Yeah, like Kirby in his press conference called him probably the hot hottest quarterback in college.

Chris Counahan (49:35)

He has been on fire. But we've talked about Georgia has a Bama problem. Like those are some numbers to, to articulate that. Like Aguilar, you saw him have success, make some plays with some weapons that he has. Ryan Williams, Jeremy Bernard, like Alabama's got some weapons as well. So I think this is going to be a game that you said over 30. Yeah, I think this somebody's getting over 30 for sure. One of the two is getting over 30. It's just a matter of which one can continue to make big plays.

Brent (50:08)

Alabama has a road problem too.

Chris Counahan (50:10)

They do.

Brent (50:11)

And this is a road night game.

Chris Counahan (50:13)

Yeah.

Brent (50:14)

And Georgia hasn't. I think I saw that Georgia hasn't lost a night game at home since 2009. That's a, that's a good long while that that has happened. But the most important part of this game to me is first down. Last year against Georgia, Alabama had 392 of their 551 yards. On first down, 71%. Milro was 14 of 15 for 288. And the one touchdown, which was to Ryan Williams. The in there one was on first down. They knew how to attack Georgia early. And can that, can they change that? Can they have. Have they maybe adjusted some of the things they do defensively? Which team can run the ball? There's so many angles to this game, but that one thing. Does Georgia have success on first down against Bama?

Chris Counahan (51:13)

Which team can protect the ball or protect their QB?

Brent (51:18)

Like, yes.

Chris Counahan (51:18)

Both of these QBs have not been like the most safe quarterbacks in the pocket. Like Ty Simpson was running for his flipping life against fsu. Like, yes, it looked. There was a couple of times I thought it was a screen. I'm like, surely that's a screen. Right? They let all three of those guys go like they're going to throw it behind him. But then you saw the offensive lineman chasing him. I'm like, oh, Shiznik, that's not a screen. That's just piss poor. So, you know, in Georgia we've seen them struggle against Tennessee. So this, this might come down to good old school coaching, like which coach has their guys ready more than the others. And, and I think everybody would lean Kirby in that department. But, but DeBoer has weapons. Deborah has a QB that I really like. I know everybody left him for dead, but everybody will be back on him because he's not. He's not a bad player. He's a really, really good player. Both sides have a lot of weapons. Both sides defenses have struggled to get to the quarterback. So yeah, I think over 30 is a pretty good bet. And that's, you know, that's not what you would have said 10 years ago when you had Georgia playing Bama.

Brent (52:21)

And DeBoer has been really good against ranked teams in the big games. His last few stops and somebody. Joe says Kirby lost to Nick. We also lost the board last year. So. Yeah, it's not just, it's not just one. The other night game, Oregon At Penn State white out, right? Is it. I'm assuming it's going to be 100 a white.

Chris Counahan (52:45)

Well, they, they, you know that that stinks with them because like the, the. It's usually the noon game now, so it takes away. They get one white out a year. So this is the, the whiteout. And it's not a, it's not a surprise why this game would be the whiteout. I mean, there. This is. You need the white out. Like. And here's the thing for me, this, this, this, this is a big day for the Ducks because the Ducks have been walking around this league like they literally, they're like in the boxing ring, the dog, the Ducks. And they like walking around and they're just like this with their chin out, like their hands are down and they're just kind of walking around like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they've owned this league in the regular season. They haven't lost a game. They're going to Penn State with all the experience at all the right spots. Now you got one of the best defensive coordinators in college football, the best one, two punch. One of the best atmospheres in all of college football with the whiteout. And if they walk in there with 18 new starters, a bunch of new guys, a bunch of inexperience and they take care of business, man, oh man, are we going to be saying, holy cow, like, look at what Dan Lanning just did? Because that is as impressive as it gets if you can walk into To Beaver Stadium and make a statement on Saturday night.

Brent (54:04)

Have you seen. And I agree. And you could also add Big Ten championship to that. They didn't, you know, it was the playoff that they lost to Ohio State. So they, they took care of business regular season. And the championship game, they gave up.

Chris Counahan (54:17)

Have you seen that championship game? And both Singleton and Allen had 100 yards rushing. So that's not like it was not domination in the, in the Big Ten chair. If I'm watching the Big Ten championship game, I'm feeling pretty good about myself if I'm Penn State, because I ran the football really well. And that, that's a big, that's a lot of retooling on the other side of the football for, for Oregon and we've seen small glimpses. They played Northwestern in Oregon State. I get it, Broski. Like, I'm not saying. But I'm just saying I've seen small cracks in the armor that you go, okay, well that might be a problem later on down the road with somebody can take advantage of it.

Brent (54:52)

Have you seen their new pass rusher for Penn State, the freshman kid?

Chris Counahan (54:57)

He's a freak. He's Coleman freak. And they talked about him before the season, man. And they talked about how freaky he was like, that. They always find these guys, dude, like, we could just keep going back. I mean, every single year. And, you know, last year, it was Abdul Carter. Carter, it was Chop Robinson, it was Micah Parsons. Like, they. It's. It's. It's a lineage. Like, they find those guys, and it's crazy that. And they've got some guys that can disrupt the. In the trenches as well as anybody in the country. Year after year after year, they find those guys.

Brent (55:27)

We're going to spend a whole lot more time on all three of these games when we do the picks, but we have to kind of end it like we normally end it on a Monday night with who won the weekend.

Wesley B. (55:38)

It's time to get in the victory formation, guys. Good show so far. Don't really have many critiques, so somehow you've. You've actually pulled off a good show.

Chris Counahan (55:50)

Wow. You didn't screw it up. That's kind of like your dad after a game, just being like, hey, guys, you didn't screw it up. Like, thanks.

Wesley B. (55:56)

You know, I.

Chris Counahan (55:57)

Thanks.

Wesley B. (55:57)

I am glad I'm here, though, because y' all have, like, really slandered my name with this Alabama playoff elimination. The past three shows, I haven't been able.

Chris Counahan (56:06)

Have we said anything that's untrue, Wesley?

Wesley B. (56:10)

No, but I did. I did do it. I did do it. Yeah, but you guys take that exercise way more seriously than me. All right, the weekend winners victory formation. For me, it starts in Miami, where the Canes did this in the locker room after beating the Gators. This is from Wesley B. Jr. That's my son. His Instagram story. Y' all want some gator? I love that, man eating gator. I don't know if y' all have tried it, actually, David, I know you have. Have you had. Have you had.

Brent (56:46)

No, I've never actually had gator.

Wesley B. (56:48)

Gator. It tastes like. It doesn't taste like chicken and fish.

Chris Counahan (56:54)

No, it tastes like chicken Mist with booty is what it tastes like. They don't taste like nothing good, that's for sure.

Wesley B. (57:00)

I don't want to know how you know that, but this is a really cool. Really cool celebration for. For the Canes. The number one cane's the U eating gator in the locker room. That was pretty sweet.

Chris Counahan (57:13)

All right, who y' all got?

Brent (57:14)

I'll go. So you can finish up Davey. To me it's Cody Campbell when you just know that you Campbell her checking account both because it's savings checking, you know, just cash. Whatever he has. It's just cash. Whatever he's got. He spent it on a new D line and that new D line dominated quite possibly one of the better offensive lines in the country. And when you know that you spend all that money and you actually got guys that are coming through, that just makes it that much sweeter for him.

Chris Counahan (57:51)

So to me, nice Campbell, nice return on investment. You could go Texas Tech, period. Yes. Handling that atmosphere that with a backup qb Will comes in, the game starts spinning.

Brent (58:01)

You might need to be their starter.

Chris Counahan (58:03)

Yeah, you're right. He might need to be. But I'm gonna go Memphis walking in Memphis, baby. Big big week for Memphis. Like watching some of your your cohorts take take a dive. Specifically Tulane. UNLV almost followed suit. They they tried their dang this to screw it up. Unlv.

Brent (58:21)

They they they Miami, Ohio.

Chris Counahan (58:23)

Yes, they they tried with a pick six and a kickoff return. They gave it away. They tried to give up a field goal late and Miami of Ohio couldn't capitalize. But Memphis looking like a group of five team with North Texas and UNLV that we'll keep paying attention to. All right, Wesley, what do they where do they find us? What do they like rate, subscribe, punch all of that fun stuff to help us stay on the airwaves, baby.

Wesley B. (58:47)

It's amazing what you think people need to do to follow the show. It's not that difficult. Just hit subscribe if y' all have stuck with us, a lot of Canes and FSU fans in the comments tonight.

Chris Counahan (58:59)

I love it back and forth. I love it.

Wesley B. (59:00)

It's been beautiful to watch.

Chris Counahan (59:02)

And y' all gonna settle that in two weeks, baby. Y' all get that done like it's that's going to be fantastic.

Wesley B. (59:09)

Y' all come back and chat with us Wednesday. We'll be live at 8:30. And look, I know y' all can't join us live all the time, so find us wherever you listen to your audio podcast as well. If you're in the gym, driving around town, in the grocery store, whatever you got going on, listen to the show if you're up and Adam and appreciate y' all joining us every single Monday, Wednesday and Saturday live right here on cball.

Chris Counahan (59:35)

Get ball.

Wesley B. (59:36)

See you again on Wednesday.

Chris Counahan (59:37)

Peace.

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