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David Pollack
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Co-host 1
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Co-host 2 (Wesley)
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Co-host 1
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David Pollack
American, seven time Emmy Award winner. All right, welcome everybody in another week of college football starting in the books. Welcome to Seaball get ball. Monday, October 13, Monday Night Football is on. Nobody cares. It's a college football world. So appreciate you guys joining us. Every Monday we'll be here at 8:30. Penn State. Any big news coming out of Pennsylvania Philadelphia area that Penn State fires James Franklin to start the weekend off over the weekend. The Eagles lost on Thursday actually to start it and the Phillies got eliminated. So besides that everything's going great. Things aren't so happy in Happy Valley. The Nittany Lions lost to Northwestern obviously 22, 21. They lost their starting quarterback Drew Aller for the year and Franklin now is out. And now they'll have Terry Smith who's been the DB coach since 2014 come in and now take his place. He's been the associate head coach and so he comes in. But I think this begs now the next question of where do you go next? First of all, I Guess. Let's address this. Should he have been fired? I don't think so. I, I, I don't agree with it. Did he perform to the level that you want him to perform? Absolutely not. Like, no. Especially this year. Super disappointing. But I'm going to give you a few lists of guys real quick. Kirby Smart, Ryan Day, Kaylin DeBoer, Dan Lanning. That's the list since 2022. That's one more games than James Franklin. So it's not a big list, man. And I get it. Disappointed like crazy with ucla, disappointed like crazy with Northwestern. But now going out, hiring a replacement. Who is the guy? Who is the guy that's going to say, yes, that is a home run. That is the best of all worlds. We're going to get him in here. They're going to completely change it around. And so I think it's, I think it's a couple of names. First of all, let's address the names you keep hearing. Elko. I don't see it. Why would Elko leave Texas A and M? All the resources, all the success. What are they en route to? They're en route to a playoff run. Like your coach is not going to start talking and negotiating with another fan base. Okay, that sounds familiar. Yeah. Signetti's in the same ballpark, exact same world. Like, Signetti obviously is hot because he just did it. He just did this switch. Did it with other players. But, but they're very much in the driver's seat now after beating Oregon and doing such a great job at Indiana. Got a raise after last season. Two years to be in the playoff two years in a row. I'm, I don't see why he would leave. Lane Kiffin is another one that that's continued to be talked about. Like, I could see Lane leaving for one spot maybe, and that's maybe Florida. I maybe see Lane going to Florida with all the speed, all the skill that's around that place, you could find it. He could recruit it. I think he could probably do well. But I don't even see Lane leaving because again, in the middle of a playoff push, he seems like he's found a lot of peace where he's at. Like, you see Lane, you saw the documentary, like, really grown up. I think he's proud of where he is. So none of those make sense to me. I think I'll take all those off the table. So which name makes the most sense? And I think you go Matt Rule right away. And why do you say Matt Rule? Program built. First of all, this actually, even before we get to that, you have to understand the Penn State job. The Penn State job is you. And I want somebody with experience in this realm. And here's what I'm going to say. Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, they're the teams in the, in the, in the Big Ten. Like, they're the teams with probably the most talent, the most history, the most talked about, the glamorous. So you're going to have to win in a position where you're not the first fiddle. You're not the, you're not the win in the helmet game. You're not going to drop the helmet out there and be like, oh, yes, they're coming. Like, that's going to happen at those other schools. Probably a little bit more. Right? Like, that's. So that's understanding that. So understanding that I need to work in that parameter. Matt Rule is the first name that comes to mind because it's his alma mater. He's worked for the AD now that's at Penn State. Pat Kraft, he was at Temple with him. He's also been in the Big Ten at Nebraska, which is a little bit different than. Obviously, Nebraska is not the big name in the Big Ten. You have to develop, you have to recruit. He worked at Baylor, not the big name in the Big 12. You got to recruit, you got to be a little bit different. You got to be about development. Like, you have to be able to take players that are good players and make them great players. Like Signetti has done. Right? Like, he's absolutely done that. So I think he'd be, he'd make perfect sense. I loved his answer. He was very succinct, very clear how much he loved Nebraska. Didn't say he wasn't taking the job. Like, and that's going to continue to come his way. But I think if you look at the Penn State job, they get more talent than Nebraska pretty consistently. Yes. The history of Nebraska is awesome. They're an awesome program. I think Penn State has more talent and probably an easier job to win. So I just don't know if that will happen or not. Clark Lee is another name that's mentioned. I don't see, I don't two things. Clark Lee leaving his alma mater when he's starting to get it built. And you heard how, you heard how much, how much conviction he has. Like, he is, he is heck bent on making his alma mater, you know, a program. And he's done it. He's starting to build that. Do you leave now? Probably not. How about Penn State? Do you go to the Vandy Pipeline again? Like, I don't think so either. Like, are you going to go to Vanderbilt again? You went there for Franklin. Listen, you had success. Obviously, James won a lot, but I don't, I don't think they'll do that again. I think he'll stay at his alma mater. So who's next on the list? Like, okay, again, who fits that criteria? Matt Campbell. I think Matt Campbell's a really, really good one. Like, he has done it at Iowa State. He's developed, he's done it with less talent. He wins close games, always puts good offense on the field, always puts discipline. They've struggled. Now, fresh off of Colorado, loss like this, that's not a good place to be. Like, probably a couple years ago the name was a little bit hotter. Still a heck of a football coach. A heck of a football coach. How about another guy that fits that category? Eli Drinkowicz. Like Missouri, it's. It's not looked at as one of the powers. You know what I love about Eli Drinkowicz, man, he's got that moxie, he's got that attitude. It's kind of like he likes to kind of be the agitator and he likes to say things that are unconventional. Like, he'll bring some. He'll bring some clout with it. Like, he'll bring some fun with it to Penn State. So I think that would be a. I think that could be a really good fit. Like, he's, again, he's used to. To winning at that level. It does it a little bit differently. He's. He's always hired well, always good on offense. Like, done a great job adapting to nil in the portal. Wouldn't it be something if he went and got his quarterback and brought his quarterback to Penn State? Bo Prabula comes back to Penn State with Eli Drink with. Sorry, that was just fun. And then one other guy, I think to think about one other name, Manny Diaz. He is another guy that will be talked about in this search. Left Penn State as the DC went to Duke, has had success. Obviously familiar with the place. He's not as sexy as a name, but. But I'm just so interested to see this because you fired a good coach because you're looking for something great. And let's go see what Penn State does next. There'll be a lot of people that want this job. There's gonna be a lot of people that get raises off this job point blank. Like they're going to get straight paid and you've seen these contracts, these 10 year contracts people keep handing out. I think it's dumb. I think they need to shorten them. Like if I, if I was running a program, I'm not handing out a ten year deal, man. I don't care how good I think you are maybe for one coach in college football, two coaches at the most. But there's my list. Brett Rollins, what do you think of the, the folks on that list? And would you, would you hire any of them? Would you, would you would have put them in order like that or you got somebody different?
Co-host 1
Well, first off, there's always a money person behind these decisions.
David Pollack
Yes.
Co-host 1
Do you.
David Pollack
That says I'm gonna step up and I'm gonna buy it out. That's, that's 100%.
Co-host 1
So do you think. So let's play our previous game that we like to have fun with. What's more likely that the money person saw the tweet about Signetti and getting two top win 10 wins when it took Franklin to do nine years to do that, or the loss to Northwestern, like losing to Northwestern, that school at home, which, which was more likely because I was netting. Now I think it's the Signetti piece.
David Pollack
Now because I think that it's fair to say that all of them probably go in there together and it all counts. But, but, but man, like Penn State and Oregon is okay. And remember you, you led it. Oregon, like are you led. You led at home against Oregon. So imagine how much this narrative could have changed. But the UCLA was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. Now watching them win, you probably feel a little bit better about it this week. But then going and losing to Northwestern, man, it's like, all right, not only are we not winning the big games, now we're going backwards and this shouldn't happen. So I get it. I mean we could go, we can go a combination of both. I'm fine with that.
Co-host 1
All right, so in terms of your names, the number one candidate for me, like to me this is a, my number one candidate for this job and then a big gap you didn't mention at all. And that's Fran Brown at Syracuse. I, I know that guy is going to recruit his absolute tail off in that area of the country. He's going to own Philly and the Northeast and guys are going to want to play for him. He's already shown that he can instantly win. I, I just think to me, for them that's a.
David Pollack
What's his record?
Co-host 1
I mean, yes, I get this year and I get all those things this year. But I think I'm looking at him as a head coach that's going to be on the rise. I think it's Brown.
David Pollack
I hear you. I like the creativity in the pick. You're going to tell me you're going to, you're going to fire the a top five coach as far as winning percentage in the last couple years and you're going to hire an unproven. Like, I don't think there's any way, shape or form that would ever happen in a million years.
Co-host 1
Well, the instant you fired him, the person you're getting is not as good no matter what because of what you've. Because of the statistics and the things you just said.
David Pollack
Yeah.
Co-host 1
So you're, you're going down no matter what from a at least performance base. Especially like, especially if you look at Matt Rule in terms of his college career. He actually barely has a winning record. So, like, you know, there's things with that that I, I would just, I would go. I love off the wall with that. I would go Fran Brown. That's just.
David Pollack
I, I understand what you're saying and that's, that's an easy thing to pull the trigger and say when you ain't making the decision. If you're making the decision, you can't make that decision. Like there's abs. There's no chance you can make that decision if you're the guy. Absolutely. Having to write the check and having to respond to everyone else. You're not making that decision. Like, you've got to prove to your people now. Like, if you're going to move on, like, I got to move on and I got to sell you a direction that is upper level. I gotta go win at a high level. So that, that's the question. Like, who could that be? And, and we already got somebody in the cat or in the chat that said Brent Key. That's a name that, that I've heard that I like too. Because to do what he's done it.
Co-host 1
He was coaching at his alma mater.
David Pollack
Yeah. To do what he's done at Georgia Tech is pretty dang special. Like he, Zach in the chat said that, like, I, I agree that he's done a good job and he's kind of proved it now this year. I think they're going to continue to grow and get better and be in the conversation. I love it. I love, I love Fran Brown because. And you love his attitude. Like he's a dog. Like he's going to go recruit the trail. He's going to be in your face. He's going to be emotional. He has all those things. But I just, I, I don't think that's going to happen.
Co-host 1
I love where you're going, but I. One thing I think I very much agree with you. Elko, Kiffin, Signetti, those guys are not taking like there are so many. Like I went and looked at all the power four coaches and I'm like, okay, who's actually going to take like even Matt Rule, he's got his five star quarterback and he's got him back next year, likely.
David Pollack
Well, he could bring him.
Co-host 1
Yeah, I mean I get that. But he's. And he's got younger brother coming too.
David Pollack
That's the only thing that I'll say that is different about nowadays college football. The ability to bring so many people with you changes everything. Like it changed it for Signetti. Now Signetti did it at a lower level, but he also had a great team like jmu. Look at him now. They're still perennial right, right at top 25 teams. So you, you had a chance to have one really good guys that you had developed over the years coached and you knew what you were bringing in and then you did it again too. Which, which is important to see too and reloading. But it's just not like if you.
Co-host 1
Go to the G5 and somebody who's winning at a high clip there or somebody maybe even like a North Texas, the Morris guy, that's the coach there that could bring his quarterback and running back, all that kind of stuff that's still to me a coin flip in terms of that level of success. All of them are going to be. Especially because you're playing in a conference that has teams with lots of money and they're going to compete and you've got to go compete now. And the, the, we've talked about the floor, the Big Ten being raised. The middle, the middle is much better. It's much harder. Like that's why Pence. That's why this fall off I think is they're seeing okay, hey, the floor of the Big Ten is being, you know, lifted. We're not just instantaneously 10 and 2. So that, that's. So this is the other name. But if you're going non proven coach and that's Zach in the chat like is Brian Hartline like if you're gonna, if you're gonna go non head coach him like even Monday Night Football Joe Brady, like somebody who you know that's had a lot of success. But if you're going non head Coaching experience. Heartline would be my first call because you know he's going to go recruit. And it's also hurting one of your bigger rivals.
David Pollack
Yeah, like that D.C. hire that hurt one of your big rivals. Not so fast. Not really hurting him. All right, Wesley, you jump your butt in here because. Because I want to hear about these comments because I think that. I think this is cool. We're going to start doing this more because you guys have been insane in the chat. So, Wesley, drop some knowledge on me, brother.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
How you doing tonight, dp?
David Pollack
I'm doing wonderful. How you doing, brother?
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Good. Your name's on this list, by the way, so. Oh, we. We. We have a post up on YouTube and you can engage. It's good. Engagement post. That's social media marketing lingo for y'.
Co-host 1
All.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Tell us what you think, because this is a dialogue with y', all, too. So on our posts on YouTube, here's a good list. Matt Campbell is a candidate, according to Patrick Francis. Here's where it goes. A little off the rails, though. Jimmy woods says Keegan Michael Key. I don't know if you've seen him do his impression of James.
David Pollack
Oh, yeah, I don't.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
I don't know if Penn State wants that, but I think he's an alum, actually went back and got a degree from there. Chubbo, the analysis. This is my favorite part about these lists is the screen names that we get to share. Chubbo, the analysis. The analysis says Dabo Sweeney and his avatar is an orange C. So is he a Clemson fan?
David Pollack
I don't know. Oh, come on. You're trying to get rid of Dabo. The best. The best you've ever had. All right.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
This is kind of like that snitch line we talked about last week. Basket Chase says as a UGA fan, Glenn Schumann, I guess 10 points was just too much against Auburn. And S. Walker also says Mike Bobo. What do you think, dp? Any interest for Mike Bobo to leave?
David Pollack
Man? I mean, just. What are these people? They're just trying to get rid of their coach. They're just trying to. They're just trying to say, hey, I don't like him, so I'm going to get rid of him. Bobo's been doing pretty solid. Schumann, I guess, did pretty well. But I think the next one actually is the worst one. This one. How you would wish this on anyone. This is not.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
This is not cool, Benny. Big brains, all right? Huge, huge brains, says Bill Belichick. I personally think it's probably a little too cold up In Happy Valley for Jordan Hudson. Doobie. Doobie Hower says the Anton Lynn. I did think this one was interesting. You guys discuss this one. USC's defensive coordinators.
David Pollack
Yes.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Great job for the Trojans. So sneaky pick there. I don't know. I mean, here's the interesting thing is when you look at how expensive it is to get these guys to come play to get the elite talent. Yeah, maybe there's a coach out there, maybe there's a program that says, hey, we'll take a coach that is willing to come on a deal, not these extravagant head coach salaries to secure some great talent. So maybe it is an up and comer like that that, that takes a deal like that. So something to look out for. And then Robert Timms says David Pollock, the head coach of the Nittany Lions.
David Pollack
Yeah, that would be some, some of that pass rush, some of that pass rush ability there is pretty fun to coach. We'll say that they, they find some, find some dudes, that's for sure.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
But yep, y' all keep those comments coming. Good stuff.
David Pollack
Those are fun, man. Those are really fun. And we're gonna do this every Monday too, man. We, we, we've been doing it and it's, this is such a fun exercise to do the, the top 12 again. The committee will come out like, you know, coming up very soon actually. And this is if we, if we rolled it out today, if the ball was spotted, I think this is how it would go. Some interesting shakeups. Okay. Miami still at 1. We've made that very clear how we feel on C. Ball, get ball. What they've done. Um, number two. The number two team in the country, freshly minted, the Indiana Hoosiers. Why you say, how about a big win at Oregon against a really good team that people have been talking about might be the best team in the country. A statement win. Maybe we just go common opponent with Ohio State. They played Illinois. Frying pan Met head won by 50. Ohio State, obviously it was a more competitive game. That again, they use head to head in the committee and they use common opponents. I'm using head, I'm using common opponents right there. They haven't played yet. So it's something obviously that's something to consider. So Ohio State now becomes three again. I'm going to say this and I'm going to say this loud for you and I hope we clip this and share this because we need to share this. If you ask me to bet my paycheck like this rankings on what you've done, what You've done up into this point who you've beaten. If you're asking me to bet my house or my paycheck or my money on who I think will win the national championship, I'm betting Ohio State. Like they didn't show. They didn't deter me away from that this week with another professional buttoned up win and that force field that still exists on the goal line, which is unbelievable. It's, it's absolutely unbelievable. Um, Texas A and M climbs to number four. How do you not like what you're seeing from Texas A and M? How do you not like what Micah Elko's done like on third downs now? I think it's like 3 for 30 in the last three weeks or something. It's just stupid. They're, they're getting it together. Moss dinged up. Craver or Conception dinged up. Still find a way to win. You know, I still think there's more in the tank for Marcel Reed. I still think you can run them in bigger games. I think Texas A and M's proven they're really, really good. Hottie Toddy, Gosh almighty. Coming in at five. Ole Miss, huge week at Georgia. At Georgia big time. They struggled a little bit against Washington State. It was a 24, 21 game. It wasn't pretty. This is week to week that goes into it, right? So I mean that was a little bit of a struggle bus. I still still think Ole Miss is a really good team. Texas Tech at six, flying tortillas, right? Just spinning tortillas out there with them at six. Been taking care of business. Was a weird game with Kansas still undefeated. If you want to debate on whether the next team Bama should be ahead of them, I think it's a realistic debate. I think you could debate how high you'd want to put Bama from what you're watching them like they're a good frickin team man. Like their quarterback is elite. They're getting it together defensively, playing better. Bama, just three ranked opponents in a row. Three, three takedowns. I mean it's only been done a couple of times in the history of the sec. What they just did, it was really fun to watch. Bama's got it absolutely rolling. Numero ocho ocho 8. UGA. Somehow some way, the day walkers of UGA just continue to keep walking forward as they get shot and continue to win. Oregon all the way down to nine. I wonder how people feel about that. Like obviously Indiana's a good team. They lost on their Home field. Indiana won by 10. Uga lost to Bama on their home field. It was a closer game. I mean, it's just. That's the kind of thing you do, right? Like, I think Georgia has a better win. Tennessee is fighting to get on this list. It's a really good win going to Tennessee. That Oregon win at Penn State, does it look that good anymore? Like, it's not. It's not one. You're putting the feather in the cap. So I think down to nine is okay. I'm really good with that. Obviously we put them there. LSU at 10 offensively, still don't know who they are. Don't know what they are. But like, trade as Green, throw it to him. That's your offense. Oklahoma all the way down to 11. So obviously a big fall for the Sooners. But how about this? Newly minted Brent Rollins, the new group of five representation. It's no longer Memphis. It is now the University of South Florida after they literally just open palms, slapped North Texas, like just slapped him out of there, beat him by 30 plus, you know, the wins early in the season. Momentum, obviously the Miami thing knocked them down a little bit, but they, They've bounced back, put up a bunch of points. That's a tough offense to stop. I mean, really, really tough. So there's your top 12, man. Big time adjustments and this is how it should be. I think, man, like, I think week to week we should take these and we should really, really look at them and see who rises. And I'm perfectly fine with Indiana going way up. Brent, you good? You good with Indiana going way up. And you, you good with my top 12.
Co-host 1
I like it. I. Ohio State still won for me, mainly for the reason that you said. But resume wise, I, I do. I don't see anything wrong with how you.
David Pollack
So what they've actually done on the field, that you're fine with them where they're being.
Co-host 1
Yeah, I, I don't see anything wrong. I think it's fun. This is the. This is the first week I've looked at this and which USF plays Memphis next week. So we get to decide that one. At least decide that spot pretty early, but looking at the actual matchups is fun for this one put together.
David Pollack
Put that back up.
Co-host 1
Wesley, you've got Dan Lanning at 9 coming to Athens playing Georgia and Kirby Smart, that's where he won a national championship at eight. And that's. Georgia happens to win. Then you get, you know them in Miami. So that's. That's a fun little Matchup though, looking ahead and thinking more so about how this ends up. It feels like it's going to be Big Ten champion number one. And I'm just, especially if Miami wins out. Like if you, if Miami wins out and they're an undefeated champion team and the Big Ten champion wins out type deal, how are they going to put the loot potential loser of that Big Ten championship game? I think is going to be fascinating. Now granted we have tons of games to play, but just looking ahead and favored and all that sort of stuff. If you've got undefeated, you got undefeated Ohio State like and they play each other, how far they drop, do they want to not set up a rematch 2, 3 type deal? That'll be interesting to see but we get to see it soon and, and this will change quickly given the fact that we have I think it's five ranked matchups this week.
David Pollack
Plenty of time, plenty of times of these are involved.
Co-host 1
Yes, this week.
David Pollack
Brent, I love my man C man 870 in the chat. If we're going to talk about how Oregon's law win doesn't hasn't aged well, can we talk about how Alabama's lost to Florida State looks, doesn't look good. How about their last three wins? Do we, do we, do we talk about those? Because we're supposed to talk about wins. Who you've beaten, who you lost absolutely matters. Who have you beaten. Like they just won three ranked games in a row. Like they went to Georgia, who's on this list, very high on this list. Like, so I get it, it's a bad loss, it's not a great loss and it's looking worse, you know, by the week. We can't just, but we can't just pick up, we can't just pick off one loss and go, oh, that's this is the reason they shouldn't be there. We've got to keep in mind the wins, we got to keep in mind the losses. We got to keep in mind common opponents and we'll continue to do this. And how about this, man? This is the first week too that every SEC plays another SEC team. This week, no SEC buys like so this is a great week for everybody out there that, that has SEC fatigue and that doesn't like the list with all the SEC teams. The good thing is they're about to play and they're about to start beating each other. And everybody who's in the chat that keeps mentioning Notre Dame keep mentioning them because they're going to be a team down the stretch. I Promise you. Because their schedule ain't that, ain't that great. They got USC this team, good week. That, like, I mean, they, they win. It feels like Notre Dame's still going to be in. So that, that's a good one to continue to, to pay attention towards because all that's going to happen with these teams right here, like Bama's going to play lsu, Georgia, Georgia plays Ole Miss this week. Right. Like this is going to happen right in front of us, you know, a lot. So I think, you know that being like LSU and Alabama projected to play each other in the playoff, they're going to play each other in the regular season. So it's fun. It's so fun to talk about. It's so fun. I love that people get upset about it too. That's fantastic. But in the end, it always works itself out. It always does.
Co-host 1
That Notre Dame, USC game, that's a playoff game this week. Like that's back to back playoff games for usc. You're, you're playing your way to potentially be in the playoff. They won the first one and now they get to go to Notre Dame. And can you imagine if Notre Dame.
David Pollack
Loses Illinois, if they'd have just beat Illinois, like, and I know the stomach bug was a part of that. Like they were sick. They were missing a bunch of guys. They really were. I would have loved this. I think there's a good chance they do win that game if they're healthy. Like, I just, I hate to say that I can't say that because I don't know which, which stinks. But I still think USC can they. If they play Notre Dame really, really well and still hang around, maybe they're still in this mix, but man, they're a good team. Like Lincoln Riley has done a freaking.
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David Pollack
Like give him a tip of the cap because he's done a really good job running the football. Even on their third string tailback like we talked about on Friday, man.
Co-host 1
A little bit too.
David Pollack
Yeah. All right. College football eliminator. We do this every week, man. Who is gone gonzo. Bye bye. Not in the college football playoff. So I'll start. Man, you know I hate to do this. The first helmet ever given. It's right here on the ground. We're going to mount these helmets soon. First helmet ever given Arizona State. Bad loss. Really bad loss, man. Obviously, Sam Levitt doesn't play the mojo, the juice. This is one of those things that's hard, man. It's hard to carry over from season to season. That psycho Cam Scatter Boo is doing pretty good in the NFL. They haven't found that heartbeat to replace him. As much as I hate to say it, Arizona State stick a fork in them. I think they're done.
Co-host 1
So I actually have an interesting I'll Save my thought on that for when we talk about that game coming up, because it's a pretty big game this week, but I'm going to go Florida State. You are now done. One. You can't win an AC game, ACC game. It's been 387 days now. Not 385.
David Pollack
Yeah.
Co-host 1
Like the other day. But I. I thought there was an outside chance that if they get rolling and find a way to get to 10 and 2 with about Alabama win, that they're. That, you know, they're gonna say, hey, we're a playoff team. We beat. We beat a potential SEC champion or a team that's in the SEC championship game. But not anymore.
David Pollack
I buried them last week. They were gone last week. I was. I was out on them after. After the Miami game or two. I was just. That was enough. That was.
Co-host 1
They had a chance. They had a chance, but, man, there's no longer.
David Pollack
It's.
Co-host 1
It's Gandhi.
David Pollack
Gandhi.
Co-host 1
Mary Samsonite. Mary Samsonite does not think there's a chance.
David Pollack
Wesley, who you got, brother? You got to turn the mute off. Oh, my gosh. The producer of the show with the rookie mistake. Come on, man.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Hey. Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to get your helmet on the wall because you've been talking about it every week. We still haven't gotten.
David Pollack
My bad Auburn.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Auburn came into the Georgia game, and we'd said it throughout the season, they looked like they had the right stuff. They were missing a couple elements. Obviously, offense was kind of a struggle bus. But going into that Georgia game, I think we all thought that if they won, they could kind of revive their CFP hopes if they were able to put things together and build on it. War Eagle did not do that. They had a great first half. I mean, awesome first half.
David Pollack
Almost really close.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe it should have been 10 to 7. But they blew it, man. They straight up blew it. And y' all talked about it Saturday night. That fumble at the goal line, it was in their heads the rest of the game, and they couldn't shake it, and so they blew their cfp. Hope so. Auburn, you were eliminated. And I'll add one more from that game. I know the sec. These conferences, they reward their best officiating crews in the postseason with great games, great bowl games, SEC championship, all that. That SEC officiating crew has also been eliminated from the cfp. Anyone involved with that is gone. I think the. The camera, the set, whatever the equipment they were using, I hope they burned that. I mean, Georgia posted a video. They had it on the goal line in like 4K. This is the best conference supposedly in college football. And that's the best Zapruder film quality.
David Pollack
They can get a little better, man. Golly.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Everything about the officiating from Auburn eliminated from the CFP as well.
David Pollack
I can get down with that. I can get down with that. I like that. Eliminated. You are. You are the weakest link. Goodbye. Brit Rollins. Give me some numbers, brother. Numbers that don't lie for week eight, sir.
Co-host 1
So I always, by the way, assume rests are going to stink like every game.
David Pollack
Yeah.
Co-host 1
Something that they're just terrible and you have to work around that. So that's one for me. All right. One other thing. What do you think of how I label George's win this past weekend? I wrote I write for ugasports.com one on three and the way I sort of titled it was Georgia's comfort and comfortable in the chaos. Yeah, I think that.
David Pollack
Kind of comfortable in the uncomfortable. Yep.
Co-host 1
They're comfortable being uncomfortable. Very much so. But numbers don't lie. Each week, you know, Pro Football Focus, I work for them, have for over 12 years now did some special teams grading of a very big game that happened this past week earlier today.
David Pollack
Are you allowed to disclose that or are you not allowed to disclose that?
Co-host 1
I just said very big game. There was a few very big games.
David Pollack
Okay.
Co-host 1
I get a very big game each week now actually seemingly. So maybe I'm doing good. I'm being good at my job. But promo code. Get ball 25. Get you 25 off the PFF. Plus prescription subscription, not prescription. That's another life for me. But yeah, first one look at all these games. We look ahead each week. Ole Miss at Georgia early spread. Georgia is a seven and a half point favorite. I want to the whole Georgia in the first half versus Georgia in the second half. Is it kind of a thing? I think you kind of always mention it as a thing. So I think it's a thing.
David Pollack
It's a fricking thing. It's a real thing. Like how do you. You've had one lead against a Power 4 opponent since you played Texas in the regular season last year. Like there's, there's no, there's no doubting anymore. Give me the numbers because this, this feels like a real big thing.
Co-host 1
All right. So I went and looked at the last four games. So those are all SEC games for Georgia. So Tennessee, Bama, Kentucky and then this past weekend Auburn and looked at their defense grades and performance in the first half. Or second half and then gunner. So defense first. First half, 72.7 overall grade just a little above average. 64.7 coverage grade very average. 62 points allowed in the first half. Second half, 81.4 overall grade, 80 coverage grades. So now you're getting into very above average, borderline elite level grades. And then 27 points allowed. And there's all sorts of other metrics that I've looked at as well.
David Pollack
That's incredible. And that's a credit to coaching and changing and morphing and adjusting. But at the same time, what about to start the game like it needs to. It needs to be better to start the game. You can only do this so many times.
Co-host 1
I don't know if you've had a chance to re watch that game, but you specifically might be intrigued by something. I think that was their adjustment in.
David Pollack
That game not moving as much.
Co-host 1
I think it was how they played their edge guys. I think they give them a little more space, stood them up a little more maybe. Maybe I'm crazy. And it was just more something they were going to do no matter what, you know, given the formations that Auburn was doing in the second half. But it seemed like a change. The other part, Gunner first first half versus second half, first half, 55.5 passing grade a little below average in terms of in the first half. One big time throw, three turnovery plays. Second half, 92.6. Like geez, that would. That would lead the country if it was. If that was his overall passing grade.
David Pollack
Five big yeah, Mike Bobo sucks, doesn't he?
Co-host 1
No turnover. He plays in the second half.
David Pollack
Ball plays in the second half. He's just terrible. I mean that's just terrible.
Co-host 1
So. And then Ole Miss little sleepy last week, you know, against Washington State. To me one thing that always it happens in those type of games is your effort maybe not as great. Yeah, that's the most tackles.
David Pollack
The emotion and the energy is not as good that that because you feel like you're gonna. You're a 20 something point favorite, 30 point favorite. It's just not as important to you. It really is.
Co-host 1
Sorry. And they missed the most tackles they missed in a game this season.
David Pollack
Yeah, 14.
Co-host 1
First. First time in double digits. So I'm assuming that will actually be a little bit better this week against Georgia Tennessee at Bama.
David Pollack
Okay, I want to, I want to, I want to get this. When I said on the Saturday breakdown, I told you the right tackle for me is the biggest issue for Bama, like protecting on that side. Is there some numbers for that, because that's what I've seen.
Co-host 1
I didn't look at that specifically, but I can tell you like without looking specifically at the numbers, I know that it's not good.
David Pollack
Oh, I thought we had some numbers for that.
Co-host 1
But the question for that is where would you put Joshua Joseph's Tennessee's edge rusher? Are you majority of the time putting him over the right tackle?
David Pollack
Does a Hunter pound of flour make a big frickin biscuit? You're dang right I am. Like, absolutely. Like. And here's the beautiful thing about pass rushers. What I got to do, I got to pick where I wanted to go in passing situations. Guess what I did, freshman Bad player raw right there on that side. I'm going to that left side to rush the right tackle.
Co-host 1
So when you say you picked.
David Pollack
Yes.
Co-host 1
Did, did BVG know that that was the defensive coordinator? Right?
David Pollack
Yeah. Oh, 100%.
Co-host 1
Yeah. Oh, I got to pick.
David Pollack
Yes. You produce, you get to pick. Like it's pretty simple. Now the defensive end that you, that you told that you tap to tell to go to the other side, they get pissed. They're like, seriously man, like, are you kidding me? I'm like, yeah, other side, bro. This is my side. I'm going to get the quarterback.
Co-host 1
So the reason I brought that up though is because almost two thirds of the time, right around 60, a little more, he's been lined up on the left tackle.
David Pollack
Yeah.
Co-host 1
So you're going to have to. I mean he has on the right side some, but it's more majority left.
David Pollack
Side or can I tell you a story real quick? I, I was, I was a good pass rusher. I was a really good pass rusher on the right side because when you rush the left tackle, you have to win with your outside hand the most in pass rush. I'm right handed, so dominant hand. I was so pissed off that I couldn't catch and I couldn't be as good on the left side against the right tackle who was usually the weaker, weaker guy. So for a six month period, I wiped my butt, I brushed my teeth, I fed myself. Every time I bend over, every time I bent over to pick something up, I did it with my left hand. I did every single thing in this world with my left hand until my left hand got better and I got better at catching with that outside hand on that side. So like it's 100% a real thing. It's coordination with your hands, man, and being able to execute. I know it's psychotic, but it's 100% a true story.
Co-host 1
It's very psychotic and not shocking. But I can, I can also already say, I probably can guess what the hardest thing to do was with your left hand.
David Pollack
100%. Number two, the first thing you mentioned. 100%. I don't.
Co-host 1
I mean I'm very amphibious and I'm officially amphibious.
David Pollack
Yes.
Co-host 1
Like I am as well. And you use both gifts. That's. I don't know. Even that one. That one might be tough. All right, next game, next ranked game, USC at Notre Dame. Did you see unfortunately the unfortunate news that USC got today?
David Pollack
Oh, injuries. Well, both of them got hurt in the game. So both Sanders.
Co-host 1
Both of them are. So Jordan's tightrope surgery and then Sanders is I think knee out for the season. So 1 and 2 are gone. And now you again get walk on redshirt freshman King Miller.
David Pollack
And listen, he played great last week. He played awesome. But. But you know what's crazy? People don't talk about this. Who is number one in the Big Ten in rushing usc?
Co-host 1
Well, that's the Big Ten, Lincoln Riley. That's what he always.
David Pollack
They are so freaking good. And a lot of it had to do with Waymond. Man, that dude is special. Like he's really, really. That sucks for usc. Not only did they have the Illinois injuries and the stomach bug, now they got that like golly, I hate that for that program, man.
Co-host 1
I was looking into the kid. He's named King because he was born on Martin Luther King Day. So that was random.
David Pollack
Do you think?
Co-host 1
But the, the numbers part of this is the. You know how last weekend we had the QB1 potential QB2, Mendoza versus Dante Moore.
David Pollack
Yep.
Co-host 1
This game right here, highest graded wide receiver, highest graded corner in the Power 4. Makai Lemon, Leonard Moore, who's back?
David Pollack
More lemon or less lemon, I guess. What is that? More lemon. Which. Which one. Which one are we gonna have?
Co-host 1
Yeah, you would want more to be. And they're. And they both aren't stationary. It's not like they play one side. They're gonna move. I think he's going to be on him the entirety of the game. That's a NFL draft as dream.
David Pollack
That's the top corner in the country versus the top wide receiver probably this year coming out. I mean, all right, he's not Jeremiah Smith, but no Alien.
Co-host 1
That's next year too.
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Co-host 1
Utah now ranked after that victory over Arizona State at byu, who is still not defeated and still surviving and advancing because do we know anything about BYU other than that they survive in advance? I yes.
David Pollack
That's what they have. They have number 47 at quarterback. You're gonna win every game this year, bro. Like, you're not gonna lose. Are you gonna pick them every game? Absolutely. Let's go. Byu.
Co-host 1
But him as a runner, like, he scored the tying touchdown. And then also like. And then OT as well. But 317 yards, seven touchdowns as a runner, that's been a big deal because Martin. Martin, we already knew about Chase Roberts on the outside. We already knew about for them, him being there as a freshman, being able to run.
David Pollack
If you wear number seven at quarterback. I promise. Run the football. I promise. I promise.
Co-host 1
Next ranked game was LSU at Vandy.
David Pollack
Okay, just give me trade as Green because that dude was an absolute superstar. That's the best I've ever. That's the best. That's the best I've seen this LSU offense. Look, just throw it to him every play.
Co-host 1
So eight for like 119 and a touchdown against South Carolina. There's been three games he's been targeted more than three times. So that's the bowl game last year, Clemson earlier this year, and South Carolina. In those three games, he's got 16 catches for 189 yards and four touchdowns. Like, throw it to that guy all the time.
David Pollack
So I'm not. I'm not good at math, but that seems like it's working pretty well.
Co-host 1
That's. That's over a touchdown a game that's, you know, 70 yards.
David Pollack
He's 6 foot 8 and he's a good athlete. Like, it's. It's a.
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David Pollack
It's a problem. And, And LSU on offense is also a problem because they were, again, like, not doing well against South Carolina, finding ways to make mistakes and nuss Meyer still looking like he's hurt.
Co-host 1
So they've had two games. LSU, where their passport grade has been less than 50, which is bad in the 40s in PFF grading terms. In the last two years, both of them were against South Carolina. So everybody else, they can kind of block. Okay. South Carolina, not so much. All right. So the Texas Tech at Arizona State game, I think they just sat Sam Levitt to. So he. Because they know he has to be Superman in this game as much as. Because they go and win this game. There's. They're. The rest of their schedule, to me, sets up to where they can put themselves in the Big 12 championship game.
David Pollack
Well. And so still be in it.
Co-host 1
So that. That was. I. I thought that was where it's. Because you didn't hear about it. Till late in the week.
David Pollack
Yeah.
Co-host 1
And then you got, you know. Well, and he's been dealing with Sims, you know. Yeah.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
And.
David Pollack
Oh, golly, that was.
Co-host 1
That was long time. That was a bad deal. But that was Texas Tech. We've, we've talked crazy about their pass rush and how good it is and all the things like Bailey and, and Romella height and all the things that they're doing and the rest of those D line guys. So their team pass rush grade right now is 92.2. That would be the second highest in the 12 years that PFF has done college grading. Ohio State with Chase Young is number one. Number three is Ohio State with Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Sam Hubbard and a bunch of other guys. So their D line is in elite category.
David Pollack
Chase Young, Nick's, Nick Bosa, Sam Hubbard. Jeez, that's stupid. Go. That's last. It's pretty good.
Co-host 1
Last big game of the week. Georgia Tech at Duke. Can you guess who's favored without looking at the notes.
David Pollack
Or do you see.
Co-host 1
The notes and now know the answer?
David Pollack
No, I don't know the answer. I'm guessing Duke because you said it.
Co-host 1
Yeah, Duke is actually two and a half point favorite, even though Duke's not.
David Pollack
A bad football team, bro. Duke's. Duke's not a bad football team at all. Like again, if ands and buts. But like, the Illinois game showed you like, they, they could have easily beat Illinois. I know they didn't. That's all that matters. But Duke's got a good. They're cute when you watch him roll and move and run like they're going to have their men, so they'll have their hands full with him.
Co-host 1
Dude, Duke kind of holds the key actually to the ACC because of who they play.
David Pollack
Is it basketball season?
Co-host 1
I mean, because not only they play Georgia Tech, they play Virginia coming up, too. So those two teams that potentially could kind of rock the playoff and, and have just too good of a record to be left out. But Mensa, you talk about dairy Mensa, number two overall and number two passing grade. Number one is Julian Saying at Ohio State, by the way. But, and then in terms of. It's not just short stuff with Mensa, it's down the field. He's one of 17 quarterbacks who has a average depth of target over 10 yards and his completion percentage is the highest of all of them. It's up almost 70 completion even with that high average depth of target. So that means he's being very effective and being very effective down the field.
David Pollack
So here's the good thing about Brent and C Ball get ball and what we do. Like we talked about all this before the season. We talked about men's. We talked about all these teams and these guys that were really good a year ago that are going to come. John Mattier we talked about so many times like just. And it's. The numbers hold true a lot of the times. That's why these are so good to do, man. Like, it's just they usually hold pretty consistent and. And Dukes.
Co-host 1
It's a huge game. Huge week of games. Another huge week of games.
David Pollack
Every week is huge. Every week is huge. But my sec like anti SEC guys just, I mean sit on your couch and just do that. That Michael Jackson gift, that popping popcorn like because you're going to love it. Because you're going to watch teams go that you're literally going to drop in front of your eyes, which is cool. All right. Victory formation. Who won the weekend? I got the USF Bulls. They. The USF Bulls won the weekend. Like they did a good job of if there was any debate about hey, North Texas might be that team from the Power 4, hey, maybe it's Memphis. USF said hold my beer like, I'll take care of this. We've got one down, one to go this next week. USF has had a heck of a season. Alex Goulish has done a great job. They're a good football team, a great offense. They can really, really score. Man, USF is my winner this weekend.
Co-host 1
This. This one's pretty easy for me. This is sick. Coach Sig, this is Indiana. This is.
David Pollack
We already talked about them. So I was like, that was I. But you're absolutely right.
Co-host 1
They still won the weekend. And like I said, them going to and him doing it so quickly with it with those guys and bringing guys from everywhere and winning at that level so quickly. I think it's just a. It was maybe the last straw for the Penn State folks to be like, okay, if somebody else can do it that quickly, we need to change.
David Pollack
And here's if we're looking at this correctly and if you're smart enough to realize this, there's one reason why it's very simple. Like, yes, they're both coached really well. Like it's the quarterback spot. It's that simple.
Co-host 1
Like in the offense, the offense allows the quarterback to do things.
David Pollack
You brought in Mendoza, who took Rourke to another level. Rourke was really good. He. He had experience. Multi year starter good. Obviously, like the weapons out wide are really good. There's a big difference between Penn State and Indiana's receivers? There is. There's a huge difference. Like one's way better than the other, but like the quarterback play. And Mendoza is the guy that, that everybody wanted the other guy to be like, big, strong, can throw the football, can run, but Allard can't do what he can do throwing the football. He can't throw it on time. He can't throw it as. He can't even throw it as hard as that guy. That guy puts it on a line. So you know the quarterback spot. Wesley, Texas Wesley. Who you got man like you?
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
You want to do it?
David Pollack
No, no, I didn't say anything about Texas Tech.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
For the people listening on podcast, tell them what I'm holding right now. What do I got?
David Pollack
That is a. That is a tortilla.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Yes, sir. Tech Red Raiders.
David Pollack
If you hit your wife, that would have been so fantastic.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Dude, she ain't in here. Trust me.
David Pollack
Yeah.
Co-host 2 (Wesley)
Did you see the environment in Lubbock, dude? That looked like Monster Jam, Fourth of July rodeo, college football game all rolled into one. It looks sweet. Texas Tech has beaten everybody by double digits. They wiped the floor with Kansas. You know, they got BYU coming up. But I mean, dude, winning the weekend, winning the year. I know Indiana has the best win of the season and that and that win at Austin was awesome. But Texas Tech, dude, that is a fun place to be right now. Cody Campbell is getting like, imagine just if you could squeeze a sack of cash. He's getting everything out of it that you could want to get out of it. And Texas Tech won the weekend for me because that's a place I would have wanted to be at. That stadium was electric seeing the videos of it. So I got Texas Tech and I got one less tortilla than I had coming into this video tonight.
David Pollack
I hope it's the. The carb free ones. That's the one. I eat high fiber bread. High fiber bread ones. But. But hey, the. The I, I agree with you. And if you've been to Texas Tech, man, like it is, every game is like Halloween. Like they are jacked up. Lubbock is a special place, man. It's cool to watch them have a lot of success. The. The return on investment has been strong. Now listen, we're going to keep learning about Texas Tech, but the only team right now in the country that still hasn't trailed, so they're doing something right, man. Fun to watch. Fun to watch the parody in college football. Appreciate y' all tuning in. Hit the. Hit the subscribe button. Turn on the notifications when we're live. Rate and review all that stuff from your podcast platforms of choice. Tune in back throughout the week man for our week of eight picks. Another live stream on Wednesday at 8:30 like we do every single week. Appreciate y' all joining us.
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Date: October 14, 2025
Host: David Pollack
Co-hosts: Brent Rollins, Wesley
In this episode, David Pollack and his co-hosts dive into the shocking firing of Penn State’s head coach James Franklin following a disappointing season, analyze who makes the most sense to take over in Happy Valley, and present their updated College Football Playoff (CFP) Top 12 rankings as if the expanded playoff format started today. Throughout, the crew breaks down the unique challenges of the Penn State job, debates the viability of various candidates, and delivers their signature mixture of analytical deep-dives and locker room banter. The episode wraps with their "Eliminator" segment (teams out of CFP contention), numbers-driven insights for marquee matchups, and who won the weekend.
Timestamps: 01:35 – 15:43
Franklin's Firing:
“Should he have been fired? I don't think so. Did he perform to the level that you want him to perform? Absolutely not. But it's not a big list of coaches who've won more than Franklin since 2022.” (David, 02:00)
Assessing Franklin’s Performance:
Evaluating Replacement Options:
Dismisses media speculations (Elko, Signetti, Lane Kiffin) – doesn’t see them leaving current successful situations, especially mid-playoff pushes.
“Elko? I don’t see it…Lane Kiffin seems like he’s found a lot of peace where he’s at.” (David, 03:47–04:39)
Matt Rhule as Prime Fit:
“He’s been in the Big Ten, at Nebraska...not the big name, you have to develop, you have to recruit.” (David, 05:25)
Other Names:
External Inputs & Fan Suggestions:
Co-host Brent pushes for Fran Brown (Syracuse), touting regional recruiting strength:
“He’s going to recruit his absolute tail off…he’s already shown he can instantly win. For them, that's a no-brainer.” (Brent, 10:50)
David: Unproven; doesn’t see PSU administration making that risky of a hire so soon after firing a proven winner.
“You’re going to fire a top five coach...and hire an unproven? No way.” (David, 11:36)
Discussion of up-and-coming coordinators (Brian Hartline, Joe Brady) but skepticism about their readiness for such a big job.
Chat suggestions read out for comic relief (Keegan-Michael Key, Dabo Swinney, Bill Belichick, etc.), with David and Wesley joking about the fanbase's creative picks.
“What are these people…just trying to get rid of their coach?” (David, 17:02)
Timestamps: 18:38 – 25:21
Pollack unveils his own playoff rankings based on résumé up to this point:
“Miami still at 1. We’ve made that very clear how we feel…” (David, 18:38)
Debate on Rankings:
Emerging Matchups:
Timestamps: 30:31 – 34:27
Timestamps: 34:27 – 48:13
Georgia’s "Comfort in the Chaos:"
“It’s a fricking thing. How do you…[only] one lead against a Power 4 since Texas last year.” (David, 35:50)
Other Analytical Highlights:
“If you're a pass rusher...you pick freshman, bad player, raw, go to that side.” (David, 39:11)
Timestamps: 48:17 – 51:59
On Matt Rhule as a Top Candidate:
“He’d make perfect sense…Penn State gets more talent than Nebraska, probably an easier job to win. I just don’t know if it’ll happen.” — David (05:30)
On Fan Suggestions for Coach:
“Keegan Michael Key? I don’t know if you’ve seen him do his impression of James…” — Wesley (16:17)
“They’re just trying to get rid of their coach.” — David (17:02)
On the CFP Top 12 Process:
“I say this loud—I hope we clip this—If I’m betting my paycheck on who wins the natty, it’s Ohio State.” — David (19:25)
On Georgia’s Perpetual Late-Game Heroics:
“They’re comfortable being uncomfortable. They only start playing world-beater defense in the second half.” — Brent (34:56)
On Alabama's Right Tackle Issues:
“Does a hundred-pound bag of flour make a big frickin’ biscuit? You’re dang right I am [target the right tackle].” — David (38:51)
Pass Rushing Anecdote:
“I wiped my butt, brushed my teeth, everything with my left hand for six months until I got better rushing the left side. Yes, it’s psychotic, but it worked.” — David (39:50)
On Texas Tech’s Game Environment:
“Looked like Monster Jam, Fourth of July rodeo, college football game all rolled into one. If you were there, you won the weekend.” — Wesley (51:00)
For college football fans and Penn State supporters especially, this episode is a must-listen for up-to-the-minute takes on the coaching carousel and the ever-shifting playoff landscape, delivered with the high energy and football savvy that define David Pollack's show.