Sherrone Moore OUT at Michigan | Stephen Daley Injury: Indiana CFP Impact

Summary

See Ball Get Ball with David Pollack

Episode: Sherrone Moore OUT at Michigan | Stephen Daley Injury: Indiana CFP Impact
Date: December 11, 2025
Host: David Pollack
Co-Host: Brent Rollins

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into seismic developments shaking the foundation of college football, focusing on Michigan’s surprising firing of head coach Sherrone Moore, injury fallout for a playoff favorite (Indiana’s Stephen Daley), major coaching hires at Penn State, and the groundbreaking Utah private equity deal. Along the way, hosts David Pollack and Brent Rollins provide passionate analysis, coaching carousel speculation, playoff implications, and their signature blend of candid, knowledgeable banter.

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Main Topics and Discussion Points

1. Michigan Fires Sherrone Moore (02:27–16:00)

The Fallout

• Sherrone Moore, who took over for Jim Harbaugh amid scandal and led Michigan to an 18-8 record over two seasons, is out after an “inappropriate relationship” scandal.
• The Michigan head coaching job becomes vacant for the second time in three years, raising concerns given the program’s tradition and recruiting implications, especially during the recruiting cycle.
• David empathizes with Michigan’s turmoil:

  “It’s just… There’s nothing that’s ever good about it. And especially, you know, if you’re a Michigan fan… it’s just a ball.” (03:36)

• The timing is particularly damaging due to early signing day and transfer portal activity.

Coaching Candidates and Speculation

• Brian Kelly is mentioned as a possible target:

  “Brian Kelly’s a name… I imagine that name will be talked about for this job because it’s a better fit up there up north than it is… in Baton Rouge.” (05:48)

• Kalen DeBoer is discussed as a realistic, though difficult, candidate due to high expectations following Nick Saban’s tenure at Alabama and intense pressure:

  “DeBoer’s got a good personality to deal with it… but… that’s a hard bar, man.” (07:15)

• Jed Fisch (Washington) and Jesse Minter (NFL, former Michigan DC) are named as credible options.
• The hosts consider returning to the Harbaugh era staff, suggesting that past wounds wouldn’t necessarily preclude Michigan from hiring a successful figure from that time:

  “What did it cost you? Everything. You got the ring but it’s cost you a lot…” (14:13)

Notable Banter

• Brent provides legal context regarding “fired for cause,” affecting Michigan's financial liability.
• Engaged audience participation is referenced (chat commentary), enhancing the “what’s next” discussion.

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2. Indiana’s Stephen Daley Injury – Playoff Implications (16:14–25:07)

The Injury and Impact

• Stephen Daley, a critical defensive end for undefeated, #1-seed Indiana, suffered a serious leg injury celebrating after the Big Ten Championship win.
• Daley was praised for playing every defensive snap and anchoring a line built on transfer portal acquisitions.
• David emphasizes:

  “This is going to very much compromise Indiana and who they are defensively and why I think they’re such a good defense.” (17:54)

• Indiana’s depth is in question; stats show dramatic differences in defensive rotation compared to programs like Georgia.
• Replacement options exist, but are a clear drop-off—crucial for a team with modest high school recruiting.

Broader CFP Landscape

• Brent notes that other contenders with deeper depth (e.g., Georgia, Oregon) may be better equipped to survive injuries.
• The unpredictability of playoff football, especially with key starters missing, becomes a central theme:

  “Now it is injuries and it is a team like Indiana that loses one guy…that is the unpredictability factor within these games.” (20:36)

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3. Penn State Hires Matt Campbell (25:07–38:23)

Why the Campbell Hire Matters

• Matt Campbell leaves Iowa State after years of speculation for the Penn State job; praised for high-character, developmental coaching.
• David defends Campbell’s win–loss record by context:

  “Go check Iowa State’s history, bro. Go just go get yourself a good read. Like, it’s not good. They don’t win. They don’t even have winning seasons. I think they have five winning seasons…before him. He had eight out of ten, man.” (27:06)

• Campbell is described as relational, process-driven, and a coach who “takes two stars and turns them into three or four stars.”

Continuity and Staff

• Campbell brings long-time DC Jon Heacock; Penn State retains beloved interim coach Terry Smith.
• The hosts highlight the importance of staff cohesion and Campbell’s Ohio/Midwest roots:

  “He’s from Ohio, from that area… football running through his veins.” (35:04)

Fan Reality Check

• David urges Penn State fans to allow time for the rebuild amid transfer outs and late timing:

  “Will this take a little bit more time? Probably than Penn State fans want… But you got the right guy.” (27:06)

• Brent contextualizes Campbell’s “development” pedigree by noting his alma mater (Mount Union) and coaching philosophy.

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4. Utah’s Private Equity Deal: A New Era for College Sports (38:46–47:56)

The Details and Importance

• Utah becomes the first college program to partner with a private equity firm, creating “Utah Brands & Entertainment LLC” with $500 million committed capital.
• The hosts are stunned Utah broke this “first,” not a blueblood:

  “When I think of firsts and being on the forefront of like spending money… I dang sure don’t think of Utah. That’s not where my mind went… But, how about Utah?” (38:46)

Broader Implications

• The move is presented as a watershed moment in the “business-ification” of college football, with predictions that many schools will follow to compete in the financial arms race.
• David pushes back on “amateurism” nostalgics:

  “Shut the front door, like, right now, immediately. Like, get the heck outta here. Nah, bro, we ain’t here for that. Like, amateurism is long gone. That ship done sailed.” (41:41)

• Rising ticket prices, sponsorships, and business deals are acknowledged as inevitable consequences.
• The episode concludes this segment with a look to the future:

  “We’re getting to the point now where you’re seeing the amount of money that’s getting thrown into this. … If you don’t run this like a business, it’s going to be really, really hard to be successful.” (46:10)

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5. Podium Kings: The Week’s Best (and Most Honest) Quotes (49:30–end)

Brett Yormark & Notre Dame’s “Egregious” Behavior (50:19)

• Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark accuses Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua of overreaching during playoff lobbying:

  “His behavior has been egregious. It’s been egregious going after Jim Phillips when they saved Notre Dame during COVID.” (50:19)

• David and Brent critique Bevacqua’s claim of “one of the best 10-game stretches in the history of college football” after Notre Dame’s playoff snub (51:28)

Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State on the Mess of College Football (53:15)

• Dillingham shoots straight about the turbulence:

  “The only thing that’s not a mess is the dollar signs. Those are still pointing up. Everything else is a mess…” (53:32)

Indiana QB Fernando Mendoza's Big Ten Title Joy (54:50)

• Mendoza’s humility and joy stand out:

  “I want to give all the glory to God. We were never supposed to be in this position, but… the great coaches, great teammates… we were able to pull this off.” (54:50)

• The hosts praise Mendoza’s authenticity, leadership, and “nerdy” genuineness as a face for the program.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• David Pollack: On Michigan’s crisis:

  “It’s just… There’s nothing that’s ever good about it. And especially, you know, if you’re a Michigan fan… it’s just a ball.” (03:36)

• Brent Rollins: On the coaching carousel:

  “You’re going to get almost half… or over 30… FBS coach coaching positions that have either changed or already changed.” (38:23)

• David Pollack: On the end of amateurism:

  “Shut the front door, like, right now, immediately. Like, get the heck outta here. Nah, bro, we ain’t here for that. Like, amateurism is long gone. That, that ship done sailed.” (41:41)

• Brent Rollins: On the Utah deal and CFB future:

  “It all feels like it’s moving more and more to where you’re going… College football will be much more like the NFL and you’re going to have to have a certain level of financial commitment to be in big boy football or else you won’t exist.” (43:21)

• Kenny Dillingham: On college football chaos:

  “Everything else is a mess. The dollar sign—the business of it—that’s skyrocketing. Everything else a mess.” (53:32)

• Fernando Mendoza: After Big Ten title:

  “I want to give all the glory to God. We were never supposed to be in this position… Whoever thought the Hoosier would be here, but now the Hoosiers are flipping champs.” (54:50)

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Key Timestamps

• Michigan fires Sherrone Moore: 02:27–16:00
• Indiana’s Stephen Daley Injury: 16:14–25:07
• Penn State hires Matt Campbell: 25:07–38:23
• Utah’s private equity deal/Business of CFB: 38:46–47:56
• Podium Kings: Weekly soundbites and commentary: 49:30–end

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Final Thoughts

In trademark See Ball Get Ball fashion, this episode weaves analytical sharpness, coaching insight, and playful, honest debate. Whether you want to understand the chaos at Michigan, shifting playoff powers, the business future of the sport, or simply enjoy great football talk, this episode is essential listening for college football fans navigating a wild offseason.

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Transcript

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[West Blankenship]

College football's top show for football analysis, predictions and coach interviews. Now here's your host, three time all American, seven time Emmy award winner. What up everybody? Welcome on in Seaball get ball. We do this weekly, we do this almost daily. And I tell you what, when you start to get in the playoffs man we were really wondering like next week is the playoff games. You're like what are we going to talk about? Well there's a few things to talk about now and we'll get to them. We're going to talk about Penn State and they're hiring them, getting their guy. There's injury news with with a playoff team the number one seed which is, which is obviously a big deal. And then we'll get into.

More college football news that changes the landscape of college football and the business that is college football. But first it's go blue, man. It's Michigan fires Sharon Moore, who. Remember, they. He took over this. This is. They're looking for their. Their next coach. He took over for Jim Harbaugh, who had all kinds of stuff. You know, they won the Natty in 23. And the Connor Stallions fallout and the recruiting and everything that happened at Michigan, obviously there was a lot of it that went down. And Sharon Moore comes in and he's coached the last two seasons. He's been suspended on and off a couple of times, but he's 18 and 8. And now Michigan now looking for their next head coach. So not a good day for Michigan and Michigan fans, especially when you, when you look at this team and you know, I think Michigan, if you've been around Michigan, man, I've spent a lot of time at Michigan and I think they, they look at themselves with a lot of pride in the way they do business and the way they're looked at and the winningest program in college football history. And I think they've had a lot of this stuff. Now that that's been brought up, that's been unfortunate. And we don't know all the details, man. And I'll be honest, I don't want to talk about all the details anyways. But there's a lot of gossip going on. We'll get to the detail of it, but it's an inappropriate relationship at Michigan with someone else. And obviously, you know, the part that stinks, man, is he's. He's got. He's got a wife and some kids. And so there, There's a lot that goes into this. And so they're looking for their second coach now in three years. And a lot will. Will change at Michigan. And, you know, it's. It's recruiting season. I wonder about the kids that, that just signed. You wonder about the roster, all the turnover, all this goes into it, man. And it's, it's just, it's. There's nothing that's ever good about it. And especially, you know, if you. Michigan fan. And it's just a ball. Because there's other things to worry about. Like this coaching cycle has been very robust. It's been enormous. Right? Like, there's been so much change at so many universities. Remember, Penn State jumped in line at the beginning of this a long time ago. So now you're kind of jumping in this last. And so where they go next is, is, is. Is. Is their decision. And I think that's the part that when you talk about, like, when you're doing your your football stuff and who you're going to hire. It's interesting. Brent, you can jump in here too. Brent Rollins joins me always on C ball, get ball and Brent writes for On3 and PFF Pro Football Focus. You know, you go to what's next for Michigan, that's where you got to go, right? Like you got to go who's going to replace the program? And listen, Harbaugh obviously was the prodigal son. Came home, delivered them a championship, really turned them around and now it's on to other guys in a name that it doesn't make me laugh. It's just a name that makes sense where they're at. A good coach that you probably don't have to pay as much because he's currently getting paid a lot of money. And that's Brian Kelly. Like, I imagine Brian Kelly's a name. I'm not saying he's number one like but I imagine that name.

Will be talked about for this job because it's a better fit where up there up north than it is obviously than it was in Baton Rouge.

[Brent Rollins]

Very much so. And first off, one of these things with when a school and even any business fires someone in today's world like it, the it's ironclad. You would almost think it's borderline ironclad. And just because of all the things that go into especially someone making as much money as he is and he's.

[West Blankenship]

Fired with calls like this, this you do that with like you better not going to be. They're not retaining, they're not giving, they're not having to buy this out. Like this is going to be. They're going to be. They're going to get their money back. And so they're not going to be like a lot of teams that are behind the eight ball paying someone a lot of money to go away.

[Brent Rollins]

The timing part is horrible. Really interesting and horrible. All in the same vein because of signing day and recruiting and all the impacts portal coming all roster, everything like that. My guess is Michigan would and I think somebody just said it J R in the chat node for Brian Kelly. I would bet that would be no a big no. A couple of names. I know Pete Nacos that does the stuff for on three that's kind of borderline Mr. Insider at this point with a lot of these things. I saw Caitlin DeBoer's name get brought up. One that I, I, I don't necessarily, I don't know that I necessarily would see that.

[West Blankenship]

Well, here's the thing Brent, I. If we look at it realistically, it makes sense and we say that because the, the standard of where he's at, like he's never going to reach the bar. He's ne. Kaylin DeBoer is in a lose, lose situation. He, he will never be the guy before him. He will never reach those heights. He's fighting to make the playoffs in his first two years. Like that's a hard bar, man. So like I could see some. Like this sucks. Like this dude still has an office down the street, like in the building, this dude. I walk down the hall and I can still get to Nick Saban's office. Like so it's a, it's a large looming now. I think DeBoer's got a good personality to deal with it, but like, because he's so chill and mild mannered. But man, like I got to deal with this. And Alabama fans wanting to cash in lottery tickets after week one and go pay off my $87 million buyout that I have. So like I say it's not beyond the pale because that's a lot, man for anybody to have to try to live up to.

[Brent Rollins]

Yeah, well then you got to go beat Ohio State and make sure you consistently beat Ohio State. So. And if you don't, then you're out of a job there too. So that, that's one name I think one that actually to me feels realistic is Jed Fish. That's at Washington. And then another name, a coach.

[West Blankenship]

Jed's a heck of a coach.

Offensive. I remember sitting with Jed when he was at Miami and just when you listen to him, like he's got a brain, man. He's got a big brain for, for football. And.

He'S won, I think winning 10 games this year at Washington. I think he's won 10 games this year. Washington is a big deal and the offensive pop has always been there. And so like Michigan, Michigan would want that. Like you got Bryce Underwood, who you paid pretty good money too. More than your coach is probably going to make. And so when you, when you think about that Michigan's always played great defense. That's a name that you pop in there right now and you go, man, I know he'll sure up that side of the ball. I know we usually have good defense. Obviously that's, that's a name that's still not my top guy. I wonder, I wonder if you're going next where my top guy. I still have one guy that I, that I think is, is at the top of this list.

[Brent Rollins]

Another name that I I thought of actually but I the legalities of it and the show calls and all the stuff with the and I don't know if you'd want to move on from the past kind of deal and and all the things there but Jesse mentor who's in the NFL and but his cause thing goes away like in a.

[West Blankenship]

Week or less maybe December 15th. His show calls goes away and what do you well you say I don't know if you want to mess with the past. The past. When I won a natty in 23, I frickin won a Natty.

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[West Blankenship]

Like what do you mean? Like mess with the past. Like yeah, we got this show calls thing and this sign stealing stuff and all that. We got a ring business. Like we got a ring dude. Like we won this whole freaking thing. He's a D.C. obviously he's an alum of Michigan. Like you're there the show cause ends up like I I think it's a beautiful name with. With the love for go blue with. I I just. I think that name right away make makes a whole lot of sense.

[Brent Rollins]

Been in the NFL for a couple years now. So maybe he rather be about that life than the college life again. I don't know. But it does make. It did make me think.

The the gif with in the with Avengers with Thanos. What did it cost you? Everything. You got the ring but it's cost you a lot in the. In this.

[West Blankenship]

Has it? Has it really? What does it cost Michigan?

[Brent Rollins]

Yeah, that's a great point.

[West Blankenship]

What does it cost Michigan? Like yeah. Hey you know what?

[Brent Rollins]

Hey.

[West Blankenship]

Oh my gosh. I got Some recruiting violations. Oh my goodness. You took some of my coaches money and my program's money that Natty is still in my trophy case.

[Brent Rollins]

Yes.

[West Blankenship]

You can't take it so like it didn't cost him anything. Like it cost him a slap on the wrist. Yes. My man in the chat. I'm not going to stymies nerdly. Whatever. Reading is not my strength. That's why it's C ball. Get ball. Yes. A Netflix show. That's what it cost you like and Connor stallions a show cause and Jim Harbaugh showballs show cause which means nothing because he'll be at the Chargers and Jesse mentor a show calls which is expiring at a good time for. For Michigan football.

[Brent Rollins]

I will say I think you laughed at me when I brought up Underwood going to LSU with Kiffin a couple weeks back. That that looks a little different.

[West Blankenship]

Would you rather have him or would you rather have him or Trinidad Chambers?

[Brent Rollins]

I mean I'd rather have the veteran playoff quarterback right now. That's.

[West Blankenship]

Yeah, Trinidad's definitely better. That I know from watching. I'm watching both now. I. The ceiling. When you have a 6 foot 5 cyborg that can sling it like in run. Like obviously the ceiling's high. But anyways, we thought, we thought that was a good start to the show because it's, it's pretty nuclear everywhere it's going right now. And the, and it's, the reactions are.

[Brent Rollins]

It'S going at exponential pace in terms of news and all the things that are good with it. Like if you look at your timeline, it's, it's, it's insane.

[West Blankenship]

It's a lot.

[Brent Rollins]

It's.

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[West Blankenship]

Well, we got another piece that's, that's a big piece of college football. If you're a college football fan and you continue to join us here. We talked about it the other day, man, there's four teams that could win a Natty that we thought and me and Brent were actually in agreement before we talked about it even on the show. Indiana obviously being the onesied, being undefeated, just beating Ohio State. They were obviously the top of the list.

Man. They got a big blow and in a horrible, horrible fashion, Stephen Daly, if you watch the tape of Indiana and you watch the game, it was number eight. He was all over the place. He's the one who held saying for a long time and they didn't call a sack and they did call a sack and he had a bunch of. He had a sack, he had pressures. He was all over the field in the big ten championship game. How important is he to Indiana? He played every snap, every single snap of the game. He was on defense and he's 270 pounds, quick, hyperactive. Indiana runs some form of a four down with Kamara and Landino and Tucker up front and they're all close to £300. And they twist, they stunt and they make stuff happen, man. Like they're really, really good and they don't sub that much, man. And so this was a horrible break in a horrible way. Like Stephen Daly was celebrating, like he was celebrating afterwards. Daley was celebrating and that's how he hurt his leg, like jumping up to celebrate with the fans and, and they think it's a, it's a long term, you know, knee injury probably or it's a lower leg injury to him. But man, like the number one seed getting dealt a huge blow, like a huge blow to their defense. And why they were so good, man, was, was guys like this. And when you watch the tape, you know, Brent, I'm sure you got some numbers because that's what you do too with all this stuff. But like the only guy really I saw rotate in was Wheeler was number zero. He rotated in for a couple of snaps play. He's a big sucker too. He's, he's, he's 6 3, 300 pounds, but he doesn't play on the edge. On the edge is where you saw Daley rushing the quarterback on passing situations. So it's, this is going to very much compromise Indiana and who they are defensively and why I think they're such a good defense.

[Brent Rollins]

In addition to the, like he had six pressures in addition to playing all 57 plays in the game. And the, the hard part with this for Indiana is this is not their first injury.

[West Blankenship]

No.

[Brent Rollins]

On the edge you lost Kellen White, who was a. So Daily's the Kent State transfer you watched. You lost Wyatt earlier in the season, who was a Maryland transfer that was the starter initially. Daily kind of moved into that starting role. He was more rotational initially. And that's one of the things where you look at a team like Indiana that is built off of the portal and hasn't yet got or just starting to kind of do the recruiting thing. Depth is an issue and just to kind of for comparison's sake. So they had 57 snaps in that game against Ohio State there were 11 guys that played 40 or more snapshots.

And in terms of double digit snaps, you had 13. So it's like not that many comparatively. Georgia, who also played 57 snaps on exactly 57 snaps on defense against Alabama had 21 guys play more than five snaps and had 18 play more than 10. Like. So the depth piece there and what it means for their. The strength of I. And I think Indiana's defense is actually the strength of their team. Yes. As much as the quarterbacks and the.

[West Blankenship]

Receivers are and their defensive line is the strength of their defense.

[Brent Rollins]

The defense. Yeah. So this is big time for them.

[West Blankenship]

And man, it just sucks. And again I, I handle. I can handle losing my guy like getting a sack and, and killing people and, and balling. But man, to. To get hurt off the field celebrating like that just sucks. Like that sucks, man. I don't know how else to say it. Like that's just. That's just ungood, man.

[Brent Rollins]

That's just Georgia fans in here who remember. I think it was Matt. Was it Malcolm Mitchell that.

Celebrate jumping up and down for jumping up. Yeah. It's not good. And it's one where we've talked about what's the unpredictability factor within these games. Now it is injuries and it is a team like Indiana that loses one guy or Ohio State losing one of their receivers or anybody obvious losing their quarterback. And I, I do think like the more I've thought about this winning three games first, you know, some of these second, the, the first round games, somebody like an Oregon. Oregon in terms of number of guys that played way more snaps, they got depth compared to Indiana, things like that. So. But I. The whole. Who can win the whole thing.

I don't know. I'm thinking that list might be higher than what we initially thought. I don't know why I've thought that over the past couple days.

[West Blankenship]

You could be wrong. That's fine. I mean you don't. Nobody said you have to be right. That's mine. But I'm not part gets to it.

[Brent Rollins]

Getting me in that regard is the. Is the layoff and how much you've.

[West Blankenship]

The momentum gets taken away.

[Brent Rollins]

Yes. And you're going to have a team like an Ole Miss and Oregon who's basically who's going to get to play a team that they should take care of and kind of be dialed in before they go play the next game.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yep.

[West Blankenship]

Yeah.

[Brent Rollins]

So that's one for me.

[West Blankenship]

You know what? I'm not gonna. I would be like, hey man, this, this kills Indiana's chances. But this is the same humpy that talked about Mike Bo or Drew Bobo being out and Georgia not having a chance because they're center. So like I'm listen to you I'm done with bold proclamations about somebody getting hurt.

[Brent Rollins]

But I can say, especially one, especially one individual.

[West Blankenship]

This is a pivotal piece of what Indiana is and who they are. And now you're asking more guys to do more things, which is just. It's very difficult. So I think it puts, it puts a dent in them. Yeah, I mean, now listen, you got some weeks to go do some things, but, but, but Indiana is a program, again, like Brent said, that's been built on the portal. But, like, they've also had zero high school recruiting. Their high school recruiting has been about finding guys to develop down the road. Like, it hasn't been about guys that are going to play in a national championship run. Like, they don't have those guys. So that's not like a plug and play. That's not a rotate. They don't rotate for a reason. Like, you want to rotate their guys. Your idea is to rotate and keep guys fresh as possible to stay away from injuries. Why don't you rotate? Because you can't. Because the drop off between this guy and the next guy is so big. There's a lot of schools with a drop offs like this. And so I keep you fresh. My drop off's not that big, but like, huge, huge low for Indiana, man.

[Brent Rollins]

Since I brought up Georgia. If you look at number of defenders for Georgia that have played over 100 snaps this season, it's 26. Number of that for Indiana is 16 that have played over 100 snaps. And it's not necessarily for them about one game. Like they should be winning three. One game. It's winning three in a row. And, and the shortness of the games that comes after that. And you got, if you got a defensive line that's playing 75% plus of the snaps and they've played three, you know, three straight weeks, basically, that you have to play that. That's gonna, that's, that's.

[West Blankenship]

Let me tell you something like, and we haven't done this enough, but Kamara up front, Landino and Tucker and now Daley, those guys, those guys are so good, man. Just go turn on the Big Ten tape. I watched it again.

For fun, for funsies. And those guys own the line of scrimmage. Like they own the line of scrimmage. Really, really good. Tucker's got some great quickness for his size, man. He takes gaps and disrupts. Camara's a big old. A guy that plays stand up, basically. Like, he can play. It's kind of like an outside backer, but he can. He drops A lot because of his athletic ability. Now listen, he don't look like he's the best athlete on the field. He's a little bit like little, little sloppy, little thicker, you know, not the typical guy you drop in, in coverage, but you know, he is with their guy too. And all the simulated pressures that they run and the experience up front with those guys being upperclassmen like Ben in the fire, losing those kind of guys, man, just, it, it's, it's. It's a big blow.

[Brent Rollins]

One to end it positively. They have time, they have time to.

[West Blankenship]

Yeah.

[Brent Rollins]

At least practice, but they can't rotation.

[West Blankenship]

In from the portal or.

[Brent Rollins]

No. But. Yeah, like that's that good. No.

[West Blankenship]

Yeah. All right, Penn State. Penn State fans. We are, we have. We are. We've. We've been hanging on. We've been like, all right, we've been mocked, we've been yelled at. We've been talked about how like, what the heck is going on? James Franklin's gone. James Franklin stealing your recruits, guys, going all over the place and who's going to be our next guy? It was kind of quiet for a while. And now enter Matt Campbell. And I know you had to wait a while Penn State, but you got a good one. That's. And that's all that really matters. And a lot of people are going to, just like they did on social media, are going to hit me up, write in the mentions right away and be like, this dude barely won eight games a year. Go check Iowa State's history, bro. Go just go get yourself a good read. Like, it's not good. They don't win. They don't even have winning seasons. I think they have five winning seasons. In like the 20 or 30 years before him. He had eight out of 10, man. Like eight out of 10 winning seasons. He didn't come in with a bunch of. Matt Campbell didn't have a bunch of five star guys to plug and play. Like, Matt Campbell is really, really known for being a relational coach. He's really good with relationships. Maximizing guys, man, which means development. Like, he takes two stars and turns them into three or four stars. So imagine what happens when you're Matt Campbell and you get a four star and you get consistently have more resources and get more three stars. Like you're going to naturally turn those into bigger stars. He's the son of a coach. He's from Ohio, from that area. Like, but when you talk about developments. Iowa State, when he was at Iowa State for 10 years, you want to start his 10 years at Iowa State. He put 15 guys in the NFL, 15 in the history of Iowa State. In the history of Iowa state, they had 18 guys drafted.

18 in the history of their school. So like he, he found diamonds in the rough. He developed guys he also beat, beat guys like big Citrus, like the big boy in the middle. Like he beat really high level schools also to get guys. You put him at Penn State. Like, I think, man, I this. Will this take a little bit more time? Probably than Penn State fans want. I think so, because so many people leaving and the timing of the hire. But the bottom line is the only thing that really matters is you got the right guy. That's all that matters. Like you got a great person, you got a great coach. That is one at a really, really high level. Hey, go check the, go check the Iowa State athletic directors quotes on Matt Campbell when he left. Like you want to know what kind of dude Matt Campbell is? The athletic director was crying when he was interviewed by Matt Campbell because he knew Matt Campbell could have left a long time ago for a lot of jobs. But he didn't leave. He stayed. He was loyal. He wanted to stay there. He liked being there. He liked where he was at. He wanted to build something special and he did. He built something special. He there not an elite program across college football. No, but they've been really, really good. Really, really good. And he's bringing John Hickok with him as his DC who's been with him for 10 years. And I think that will be an interesting fit. Full transparency I'm interested to see because one thing you've had with with Penn State in the history is pass rushers. So how do they unveil them? Like, they don't. Iowa State has not had elite pass rushes. They've had some good ones. But like with your defense, finding edge guys, obviously it makes you a better player, it makes you a better coach. And he's the three high safety, one of the main guys that have done that. Obviously being in, in the Big 12, retaining Terry Smith, who was the interim coach, he's the associate head coach, wide receiver coach, man, I think that's big time. Why? Because if you watch Terry Smith towards the end of the season as interim of Penn State, they kind of dipped and then they. He got it back together. Got it back together for sure. Like got it back together, finished strong with this group. But more importantly, the emotion being an alum from Penn State, the love for that school, I think that's just big time. So you got your dc, you got a Wide receiver coach, you got your gm, Derek Hood, your who's with you at Iowa State, which is a big deal. And you got your strength and conditioning coach. So you've got a bunch of really, really key pieces at the right spots that helped Iowa State become Iowa State because you want people to understand your message. And Matt Campbell, when I say he's a relational coach, like the one of the first things he did when he got there, he sat down with face to face guys. And why did he do that? Because he wants to know their why. He wants to know their why. He wants to know why they're there. He wants to come in there like he is process oriented, driven, relational, developmental. Like he's an awesome coach, an awesome dude. So I think it's an absolutely great hire for Penn State.

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[Brent Rollins]

Podcast news so what's amazing about this, all the stuff that you just said, you would have said the exact same thing if he was the first hire of the Cycle 100. And that's what's like and I think Junior mentioned in the chat he's like as a Michigan person right now they're wishing Matt Campbell was there for them. But he's not and he's going to a competitor of yours. And when you talk about Campbell as the development piece where did he go to college? Mount Union. Like I told you the other day, I probably cheated.

[West Blankenship]

You need to tell the universe. You need to tell the the listeners.

[Brent Rollins]

Oh so I went to Ohio Northern. That was our big rival in in school. And the shirt would say that the week of Mount Union game would say muck found union. I wanted to make sure I didn't stumble on that one.

[West Blankenship]

But hey, why he went there, why he went there to me is is impressive because he went there because he knew what he wanted to be. He had other offers to go to higher level schools. Like Matt Campbell went there to play football because he wanted to learn how to coach. Like he knew his long term mission and he knew where he could go like learn great football. He coached high school football with Terry Smith who's on his staff like way back in Ohio. His, his dad's a, he's the son of a coach in high school football. Like this dude's got football running through his veins, man.

[Brent Rollins]

And like Mount Union has been the D3 powerhouse.

[West Blankenship]

Powerhouse. 11 titles. Right.

[Brent Rollins]

It's a bunch. Yeah. And tons of pros and that's, that's a development piece of that. Like Sirianni played like all the, all these, A lot of great coaches have gone through that program. But also he won at Toledo. Like he won nine games three years at Toledo. So it wasn't like, it just wasn't Iowa State thing. Like he wanted Toledo before he went to Iowa State. So it's. I very much think that they got this right even though it took forever.

[West Blankenship]

And even though matter how long it took. No, it doesn't matter how long it took now. You know you had people talking about stuff and talking ish. But now if you go kick their race it really doesn't matter. But, but I do think it's important to like, I don't, I don't. I do think it's important to temper next year's because of the roster and what's happened and because of what his strength is. I don't think they're going to come out the gates like swinging and go win 10 games. But like you're going to build this thing the right way for the long haul. And the kids that are coming through are going to be.

They're going to get better throughout their career 100%. And then you obviously get to dabble now with the resources. You get a lot more resources to do a lot more with it.

[Brent Rollins]

The defense part that you mentioned is the most interesting part of all this because Penn State is known for four down, two edge guys go get. That's what they do. Go get the QB freak shows on the outside. And that's not what Iowa State has done for his time there.

[West Blankenship]

But great coaches typically find a way to use great players. It's an interesting. And here's the thing, great coaches are great coaches a lot of times because they have great players. Matt Campbell was not afforded that luxury when he built his career. That's not how Matt Campbell built his career. He didn't go somewhere with great players and become a great coach. He was a great coach who took good players and made him really good players like and was able to do some special things at Iowa State. So Iowa State fans, you should be excited because that dude gave you everything he had. He stayed a lot longer than he had to. A lot of people take off and dip when they get the first opportunity and he did not. And so I saw pictures of his family like at Beaver Stadium and stuff too. Like that atmosphere is going to be absolutely insane. It's going to be fun. It'll be fun to see Matty Campbell now like in big time big 10 because some people are going to really, really not enjoy him at all.

[Brent Rollins]

A lot of big time games.

I know. I think I was like week two maybe I made the comment that I thought the coaching cycle would be now that everybody's kind of comfortable in what the world that exists within IL and the in the cap and all the things with it. I didn't think it would be anything like this where you're going to get when all is said and done you're probably going to get almost half or well not necessarily half of the power four but like over 30. I think it is now FBS coach coaching positions that have either changed or already changed. It's and I told you in the beginning that Penn State, LSU and Michigan would be would have new coaches or be looking for new coaches in this season or during the season.

Unbelievable what what has happened there and all the money that's being turned hands which speaking of about to say money.

[West Blankenship]

About we about to get to that next the signetti effect is what we're going to continue to call it here. Yes on C ball get ball because he's. He's cost a lot of universities a lot of money because people used to be the hey we can develop.

[Brent Rollins]

We can grow patience no more speaking.

[West Blankenship]

Of though this is this is crazy. Like only one can be first. Only one can be first to the table first to set a trend in college football. And when I think of firsts and being on the forefront of like spending money being innovative. I dang sure don't think of Utah. That's not where my mind went. My mind went enormous markets. My mind went big brands. But how about Utah? Like they're the first now to get a partner. Utah announces a partnership with Otro Capital, Ocho Capital creating Utah Brands & Entertainment LLC. So basically partnering in now business with the university which is going to be fun to watch because it'll be some form of a Hybrid and how that works. But, but also, you know, 500 milli. And injecting straight cash into this thing. So here's what I think is really interesting about this. Like, if you're in the Big 12 and if you're Utah, like, Utah gets 40 to 50 million million dollars a year from the Big 12. So that's pretty good, right? That, that sounds like a pretty good budget. SEC and Big Ten are a lot closer to 100 million. So that's a big difference. If you want to see a Big 12 team that spent some resources and immediately flew up the charts and accomplished some high things this year, I think you can look to Texas Tech, right? Like Texas Tech put some cash into their program. Look what happened. Not everybody has that ability to do that. Not everybody has Cody Campbell. Not everybody has those boosters. They can go knock on their doors. How do you do it? You part you partner with private equity. We've heard about the Big Ten and the possibility of that happening for a while now. Utah did it, man. And I'm not going to bring up the NCAA president very often, because I am, I'm very clear on where I stand with the ncaa. So here's his quote about this. He praised it, thought it went well. Really well designed. Citing, you know, Utah regained or retained control, majority ownership and booster or in booster and board seats. Excuse me. So if you're going to merge with private equity business and you're going to hybrid this with a school system, with a board of education, with a president who, who, who determines calendar and school, which is such a big deal. And listen, I've seen a lot of people too, talking about it, like, they're so pissed off about this deal and it blurs the amateur, amateurism rights. Shut the front door, like, right now, immediately. Like, get the heck outta here. Nah, bro, we ain't here for that. Like, amateurism is long gone. That, that ship done sailed. Like, that's left now. Utah is going, okay, this is a new, this is a new trend. And this, if this goes well and business thrives, this will be the first of many. And this will be a new Pandora's box that's opened. I never thought that Utah would be the one to open this. Not first, like I, I, you gotta join the party and you gotta get in this. But Brent, I would have thought this would've come from a different region altogether in the world, not in Utah. Proud of them for making this deal. They're making this deal for one reason, man. Like, I want to play ball with everybody. Else they're already well coached, they're well ran, they're well developed. But they're like wait a minute. Our crosstown rival BYU just bought a basketball player who's one of the best in the country. Like and who's going to first pick possibly for one year rental dropping this cheddar. I want to play, I want to play on this field with these.

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[West Blankenship]

And. And so basically private equity jumping into college football. The first situation of many that is coming, ladies and.

[Brent Rollins]

Gentlemen. Yeah, I think a lot of times people hear that term private equity and think not good things and think that it eventually just kind of turns things very negative. But reading about a lot of this, it was as much, hey, we need a little bit of help now. Like right.

[West Blankenship]

Now. Stadium.

[Brent Rollins]

Renovations. Well and just paying just to be able to.

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[Brent Rollins]

Yeah. And have the cash to do all the stuff that you got to do now but also the long term effect of it. And I think this is, all of this just feels like it's moving more and more to where you're going. College football will be much more like the NFL and you're going to have to have a certain level of financial commitment to be in big boy.

[West Blankenship]

Football or else you won't.

[Brent Rollins]

Exist. Because what's so the article that I can't find still and I'm trying to search the merger of 13 that I wrote. My thing was that it would be based on like I put the top 48, however many it is that ends up being in this eventual sort of group that handles works at this level. But I put it as a commitment score determine it. Determine who's in that level because it's money, it's you know, winning tradition, it's attendance, it's all the things that go into who is really committed financially to football. And like the, the Utah is saying, hey we are, we're finding ways we're going to continue to be that we're going to continue to exist in that.

[West Blankenship]

Space. Yeah. JB DY9BL ticket prices are about to skyrocket. You dang right they are. Because this is not run like a a school. This is business. So sponsorships, naming rights, alcohol, whatever. Business. When you look at a spreadsheet on business, it ain't about relationships, it's not about academics, it's about making cheddar, it's about bringing in the lettuce. So yes, there's a lot of consequences that come with this and that. And that's the thing that the thing is always the same man like when you worry about this and when you talk about this for the future, it's always the fans, the fans. The fabric of college football, does it get lost? Is it eroded? Because this is something that it's different, man. You don't see NFL stadiums that look like college stadiums. They don't look like him for a reason, man. And this is all across the country. This just isn't like one centralized location. Like this is everywhere, man. Like. And people love their schools and they cheer everything for them schools. But I know a lot of Georgia fans that when Kirby started talking about ticket prices and, or no, no, when Kirby started talking about not being in the seats and people leaving, I know a lot of Georgia fans that came to me was like, bro, stop raising my ticket prices. Like the prices keep going up. You.

[Brent Rollins]

Price. I gotta donate.

[West Blankenship]

Already. Coming to the.

[Brent Rollins]

Games. Yes, donate. And then I got to pay the tickets. Like all this.

[West Blankenship]

Stuff. So listen, it's, there's unintended consequences. Yes. And I'm sure everybody in the chat agrees with that is going to have something, something on, you know, to say about that. But it's, it's fair to say, man, like we're getting to the point now where you're seeing the amount of money that's getting thrown into this. It's a lot. And if you don't run this like a business, it's going to be really, really hard to be successful. So like I said, great coaches are dying on the vine. Great coaches that can win a lot of money, that are behind the eight ball, that don't understand this, that haven't, that haven't wanted to put their heads, heads in there. Like that is a, that's part of what's going on. Climan from Kansas State, like his athletic directors up there crying like saying this is one of the great guys, man, in all of sports. And this dude's walking away because this is so hard to navigate and it's so difficult. It's not. And it's not easy. Like it's not an easy world we're living in. And now Utah might have just changed the world we're living in. And maybe it's for the better. Maybe this now makes everyone start to run everything like a business and help all coaches, all programs across the.

[Brent Rollins]

Board. And it's also steps towards what eventually will be collective bargaining. Like it's.

[West Blankenship]

Going. One would sure, one would hope so. I mean, and again, get this, get this contract based business here too. Because everybody needs a contract. When you're in business, you don't do business without contracts. Like, players are employees. Players get benefits, players get protection for, from bad agents, from all the other things that can happen to them. Yes. Like, let's make this the real deal. Like, this is another step in the direction.

[Brent Rollins]

Like.

[West Blankenship]

Right. This is just another step that we're, we're getting closer and.

[Brent Rollins]

Closer. Ten years from now, what's it gonna, what, what's it gonna look.

[West Blankenship]

Like?

I, I, I'm, I'm still, I still think there, I think there will be a world for, for college sports and it'll be a good world, but I think there's also going to be a bigger, stronger, more powerful world that's all about business and all about competing at the highest level that will exist. So you'll still have others in this game, but there's going to be a smaller, more finite amount that's playing the business game where it's all business, all work, like making money. Semi pro.

[Brent Rollins]

Basically. Does football ever become its own sort of.

[West Blankenship]

Entity? It has to. It has to. It has to. You, you can't make all of this money and be the main money maker and not be your own entity at some point. So it's going to happen. Like, it's, it's, it's going to happen. But we'll leave that for another day and another discussion. But, you know, this is just a normal Wednesday on the, in the playoffs. Like, that's just what we're doing. So onto the next. Man, we've already talked about Siron Moore. If you missed it, you can, you can go back and look at it. I mean, he's, he's out and at Michigan and they're looking for their, their second coach now in three years. Some kind of a scandal. We're not going to go into all of it again. You can, you can scroll back up to the top of the show, but this is the, that time of the show, man. Every week we do it and, and we got more and more sound bites because it's podium kings. You get to hear it from the players, the coaches, sometimes the commissioners. Wesley. Sometimes, Sometimes we're going to get weird and hear from all types of, of.

[Host/Interviewer]

People. We're gonna, we're gonna hear from a commissioner. You're.

[West Blankenship]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Brett, your mark. Excuse me. Had a frog in my throat there. Brett, your mark had something to say about Notre Dame athletic director Pete. How do you say it, by the way? I've been reading his name all the time. Bevaqua. Is that.

[West Blankenship]

It? God bless.

[Host/Interviewer]

You. Well, your mark and I agree See eye to eye. I. I think Notre Dame's administrators.

[West Blankenship]

Should have just rained it back in.

[Host/Interviewer]

A couple days earlier than they did, because all these words ain't helping out the Irish. Here's what the Big 12 commissioner had to say about.

[West Blankenship]

It. I will say this, and I'm. And I'm a little outspoken about it. I don't like how Notre Dame's reacted to it. So. Okay, I think Pete's. His. His behavior has been egregious. It's been egregious going after Jim Phillips when they saved Notre Dame during.

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COVID.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

Your mark.

I think he's got a good point. Man, don't burn these bridges.

[West Blankenship]

Right? Well, here's what I'll say about this. Like, I like that the AD of Notre Dame is doing this and Marcus Freeman isn't. I like that somebody needs to stand up for your program. I, I get that. It's what you say, it's how long you say it. So going on a couple days now, I've had enough. But it was one comment for me, one specific comment that Mr. Notre Dame made when he said, and I quote, we put together one of the best 10 game stretches in the history of college football.

[Host/Interviewer]

Bro. You lost in.

[West Blankenship]

Game. Stretch your freaking mind. Like, really? Like, listen, Notre Dame deserves to be in the College Football Playoff. I will debate that with you, bro. Indiana stretch this season is way better than what you've done. Like going to Oregon, getting that dub, beating Ohio State, way more impressive. Okay, maybe another one this year. Not in the history of the game. Maybe just this year.

Ohio State was, Was more impressive because they were undefeated. Clubbing people. Right? Destroying people. How about Texas Tech.

Like, beating everybody by 20? Like, I don't know if they're at 10 games, but what they've done, obviously, is.

[Host/Interviewer]

Impressive. Like, most domestic.

[West Blankenship]

Performance.

Yeah, like, I just. That's where he lost me.

Like, listen, I'm okay with you defending your school. I'm glad it's you and it doesn't have to be Marcus Freeman, because I would feel bad for Marcus and I don't know that he's that kind of a guy. But we're. We're good now. We're good. I'm good. Like, we're.

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[West Blankenship]

We're. We're solid. We're.

[Host/Interviewer]

Done. You know what it reminded me of was when Auburn got hosed by the SEC officials at Oklahoma, and they were putting out statements, I think, up until like, Thursday of their game week. And it's like, yeah, you may have a gripe but at some point, you gotta. You gotta move on, right?

And he had. Here's his perspective. This show has been kind of a bummer. We're gonna keep it on that note for one more podium. King SOUNDBITE and then get to something a little bit happier. But I just love Kenny Dillingham. I love his posture, I love the way that he carries himself and how he talks about the sport here. Just crack me.

[West Blankenship]

Up. We've created a message point blank, the whole industry's mess, Right? The only thing that's not a mess is the dollar signs. Those are still pointing up. Everything else is a mess. The dollar sign, the business of it, that's skyrocketing. Everything else a mess.

That's just being transparent and honest. There's not. Other than the ratings, the dollars, the money involved, it's a mess.

Yeah. So this is just another piece of the.

[Host/Interviewer]

Mess. Just another piece of the mess. Don't have a quarterback anymore. It's a.

[West Blankenship]

Mess. Technically they do, but. Yeah, like the.

What. What you don't understand. And listen, I talk to coaches a lot now, and what you don't understand is they've had to navigate this and there's no answers. Like, again, it's playing a game where, like, imagine, hey, we're going to play the game this week and the field still 100 yards and the next week comes along and it's like, you know what? We're going to shorten the field. It's just going to be 85. Like, that's like the rules, changing the money, changing what you're able to, what you can and can't do. It's just, it's. It sucks. It's. It's not. It's not fun. It's taking lives off of these coaches, you know, it's years and years and years off of their lives, man. And there's very few that I've talked to that are like, man, this era is awesome. Like, very, very few like this crap and a lot are quitting because of it. Like we just talked.

[Host/Interviewer]

About. All right, here's a good one. Fernando Mendoza, Big Ten.

[West Blankenship]

Champ. It sounds so beautiful. I want to give all the glory to God. We were never supposed to be in this position, but by the glory of God, the great coaches, great teammates, every have around us, we were able to pull this off. Whoever thought the Hoosier would be here, but now the Hoosiers are flipping.

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Go. Flipping champs. Baby's delivery is. Is wonderful. I think he's got a broadcast Future ahead of him. What do you think.

[West Blankenship]

Dp?

I think if we put your side by side next to his, it's, it's pretty striking like. But, but here's the thing about Mendoza. Can you have a better representation for your university?

Is there a better one you can think of? Like every single time he talks, he gives glory to God. Every single time he talks he talks about his teammates. Now listen, does he talk way too fast? Is he a little bit nerdy? Yeah, he is any day man. I'll take nerdy any day. And it's not a surprise why Indiana believes. But he's just, he stands for everything good in this sport. And if you ask me to pick a guy like I can think of others too man. Like Julian saying's been great, Gunner Stockton's been great, you know and we, we could keep going down the list of guys that are great. It doesn't get better than him. Like, you know, walk S. Walker 15, 17 in the chat. Tebow. Yeah, a little weird right? Like when Tebow used to talk it was like yeah, okay, like you know, it's a little different. It's not maybe it's normal but like it's, it's, it's, it's lovable, it's awesome. And listen that, that's representing the face of your university that you know, not going to get in trouble like and he is a guy that dudes follow and the way he plays is all you need to see about him. Like that dude, he might have had a high pitched voice and talked really nerdy. That dude got, he almost died on the field the first play of the game. Like he literally almost died. His brother comes in for a play, he gets up and he goes in there and he beats the number one team in the country. And a lot of it was because of his sheer toughness, running ability, off schedule plays. I mean it's just, it's just incredible. Like he's an incredible human, an incredible leader in Indiana, man. You should be. Indiana fans should be so proud of that guy being your.

[Brent Rollins]

Capitan. So is that why you keep me around? Because you're sick and.

[West Blankenship]

Nerdy? I mean there ain't no doubt about that. Don't you think he looks like Wes a little bit.

[Brent Rollins]

Though? Yeah, he's got, and he's got some Kirk Cousinsy.

[Host/Interviewer]

Vibes. Yes, you like that in Kirk Cousins way more. And he does kind of look like Kirk. So I, yeah, could do worse. He can't. You can't.

[Brent Rollins]

Throw. He said flipping football. That's that's your spirit.

[Host/Interviewer]

Animal. Like me. Thankfully for him.

[West Blankenship]

Dude. Yeah, thankfully for him for sure. But no, I mean that's exactly, that's what I'm saying. He, he's, he's not cursing like because it's important to him. Like he, he's like, like Philip Rivers. Remember Philip Rivers was epic trash talk, but it was Philip Rivers. Hey, Happy grandpa day. Philip Rivers.

Dude's a grandpa. Got signed with the Colts. But.

[Host/Interviewer]

Congrats. He has a two year old son at home and multiple teenage daughters. The Colts threw him a life preserver. Dude, he was ready to get.

[Brent Rollins]

Out. He's on.

[West Blankenship]

Vacation. Hey, Daniel Jones tore his ACL like Philip Rivers. What, what is it going to be in practice? I mean, my gosh. Like that dude, you don't do anything for, for years and years. Obviously he was a baller and a Hall of.

[Brent Rollins]

Famer. But you think about kids. What do you, what do you always. You go somewhere with kids. What's it called? It's called a trip. Like, yeah, he's on.

[West Blankenship]

Vacation. He's on.

[Brent Rollins]

Vacation. Like one last question. Is there a non zero chance that Lane Kiffin coaches somewhere other than LSU next.

[West Blankenship]

Year?

I know what you're doing there. I know that there's only one spot that you would. That you could say that about and that would be if Kaylin DeBoer.

[Brent Rollins]

Somehow leaves which is there a non zero.

[West Blankenship]

Chance. It's a zero chance. It's a zero percent like Vandy making the playoffs. Like I told you before the season. A 0% chance of Vander making it. Lane. Lane surely. Now listen, if he's already.

[Brent Rollins]

Tweeted. He told Dave Portnoy. He's like, hey, come to the boot and we'll together. They can't be beat. So Michigan man, Dave Portnoy. So. But anyway, I just, I was curious if you thought that was a non zero.

[West Blankenship]

Chance. Non zero. Non zero. All right, wrapping up. C.

[Brent Rollins]

Ball. Get.

[West Blankenship]

Ball. That was Brent Rollins. That was West Blankenship. We do this several times a week, Mondays and Wednesdays now and then we're going to get another guest this week. So we're not done. So peep out. Look, look for us. We're going to get Marcel Reed, Cassius. How From A and M should be a great interview. Talk about their matchup with Miami, talk about their offensive tackle. Talk about. There's talk about Elko. There's tons to talk about with the Aggies because they've had a tremendous season in way en route to the playoff. Disappointing end but tremendous season for them. So we will see you guys back here soon. Keep a lookout for us on YouTube and all the platforms. Thank you so much for joining us on.

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