Co-host (Football Analyst) (2:28)

but still, there's a lot of people that don't do anything that still continue to. Because they don't want to. You know, they want to go. Listen, you're. The pro day is more favorable for you. Your pro day is your people. It's your environment. Your drills are going to be with. In a familiar setting, like, everything about it becomes more familiar. So I think that the pro day is the easy way, like, especially when you're talking about quarterbacks, but, like, you saw people slipping a bunch and drills, you know, on turfs and different turfs and different fields.

Brent Rollins (3:00)

So schedule. Because, like, do you remember the schedule at the combine and how sort of insane in a way it was? Because I think these kids, they meet, they. In terms of how it goes, it's just an odd schedule for competing.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (3:13)

I enjoyed it because it had very little downtime, which, you know me.

Brent Rollins (3:17)

That's better.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (3:17)

Like, I was like, this is awesome, because you go from, you know, one meeting to the next to the next, and you eat, you hydrate, you stretch, you work out. Like, it's all. And then, I mean, you're. You're doing it again. It's kind of a. It's kind of exhilarating. And then. And then the best part for me was I loved watching other people go, and I love being like, okay, like, I'm going to smash them, you know, like, I want to go get them. I want to beat them in the drills. I think there's something about being in that environment with other kids that are in your draft class, and you're like, yeah, oh, hell now, right? Like, I got to go get them. And I think it's. It's really fun as a player because you. You've seen all these guys through all these. All these other teams, and you watch them all on television. And now to get there face to face, you're like, you know, you size everybody up, and you're like, holy cow. Like, okay, he's a little bigger than I thought. Like, that's kind of crazy. And he's. Or he's smaller than I thought, you know, and so all of that stuff comes into it. But there was some. There was some freak shows, like, very much so.

Brent Rollins (4:15)

There was also some arm length, some T. Rex controversy, because everybody's arm length measurements were a little bit shorter at the combine. Than they were say like the Senior Bowl. And I've seen a lot of commentary about how, hey, what is it? Like who's right? Which one is right, who's correct? Because obviously somebody like Reuben Bain, who completely dominated college football this past season, now gets the T. Rex treatment. Unfortunately.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (4:44)

And listen, it is whether I like it or not because obviously being a short armed alumnus, you favor the short armed folks. It is a part of the, it's part of the measurements for a reason and it does matter. And I think specifically it matters to pass rush when you start going against bigger guys with longer reaches. Like it's. I, I remember I got in a fight with Dennis Roland who was our 6, 9 offensive tackle. And, and I'll never forget, homeboy locked me out and I'm swinging haymakers and I can't reach him. Like I'm literally trying to hit him and I can't hit him. And so what did I do? I kicked him in the balls and then I brought him down to my level and I punched him in the face like. And again, I've never been in a fight in my life off the field, but I've been in 4,000 on the field. But like it's a, it's a real thing. Like there is some, there is something to it. Now listen, if you, there are also, there are always outliers and there are things that ways you can win. It just happens at a higher rate when you're going against guys that are human. When you go in the NFL, they're not human. Like these guys are super freakazoids that have been tad and said like, okay, you're coming up here. And so you find very few outliers that you found. You find a bunch of guys that are obviously exceptional at their position and they're measurements are longer and so it's a real thing. But I also think that if you can play, you can play. And the thing about Reuben Bane for me is, okay, he's got shorter arms. You tell me Reuben Bane can't get inside and rush against a guard. Oh wait, I saw it. I saw him do it. Like he's a piece to me that's so versatile on the chessboard that you could have a lot of fun with him regardless and he's going to be successful. But this is also critiquing season. There's a tons of critique, there's tons of chatter and some of it's BO because some people want to chatter and they want to bring people's got like their perception down and Then some of it's, some of it is real and some of it is good. So there's, there's so many people that have their own agenda at hand.

Brent Rollins (6:48)

Oh, yes, Literally I want you available at 18, not 12. You need to correct the 12. You need to be available.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (6:53)

So if I give Mel Kuiper some goods and field Yates some goods and I get him to start talking about it and bringing up some question marks in the head and some doubt like there can be some of that. So that'll probably be the next good

Brent Rollins (7:05)

conversation with Matt when he, when he.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (7:07)

Yeah, be a good one later.

Brent Rollins (7:08)

All right, so winners, I'm going to start with one. Last name Styles. If your last name is Styles, you won the car. Because let me run this one by you. Players to run sub 45 with a 40 plus inch vertical, an 11 foot plus broad jump at 230 plus pounds since 2003. That list includes one dude, Sunny Styles this weekend. Unbelievable. And to the point where it's like, should you talk about him? Like you hear Arvell Reese's name a lot in the top two to three. Are they talking about the wrong Ohio State linebacker in the top two or three?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (7:50)

What's more important, Brent? Come on now, Mr. PFF Guy, come on, Mr. Numbers. Is an edge player more important than an interior player?

Brent Rollins (7:57)

But in terms of looking at like edge prototype skills and size linked all the stuff that it's like, okay, maybe this guy actually has the better capabilities, but he didn't necessarily get a chance to do it like Reese did.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (8:09)

No, if he could do it, he would have done it more. I'm a big contingent. Like you don't, you don't go, oh, this guy's a really good pass rusher. But I'm going to leave him over here. Now. Jalen Walker was a good example of, played inside a lot and you wanted to see him more on the edge, but you saw him some on the edge. I thought it was, I thought it was super interesting to see like his Sonny Styles like coming out of high school too. Did you see the, like the number,

Brent Rollins (8:32)

the basketball stuff, like some of his basketball too, but like, but also how much he improved.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (8:37)

Yeah, he was like, God, I don't, I don't have the exact numbers but like his high school numbers, you literally looked at it and you were like, golly, that is crazy. I'm gonna look him up real quick because his, his, his broad jump in what he was like, in what he became, you know, it, it was impressive coming out of high School, high school. We're gonna google this.

Brent Rollins (9:00)

While you're doing that, I'm gonna tell you about Kenyan Sadiq because I think he needed to sort of show his freak show ability just to remind people, hey, that I could and should be tight end one. So he was faster than Odell Beckham because he ran 4, 3, 9, he was quicker than Desean Jackson, his 10 yard split was faster. He had a higher vertical than Julio Jones, he had a 43 and a half inch vertical and he was more explosive on the broad than Andre Johnson. I just named some insanely freakish receivers and he was at least from the combine, testing more athletic than all of them in those. Kenyan sneak. Yeah. Oregon Titan. Unbelievable.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (9:42)

And he's, he's obviously a freak show. We knew that. We, we watch him run by people. You see, you see that obviously it translates to the tape. But also what doesn't translate, all those people you name, you watch him catch the football. It looked a lot different than Sadiq. Sadiq does not catch the ball naturally and like look like a. His measurables are freaky, but he's also not a big guy and he's, he's kind of a stuck between a wide receiver and a tight end. And where do you want to disperse him and where do you want to put him? And he's not big enough to be an inline tight end consistently in the league. I can promise you that. Like if you're asking him to go block those defensive ends, it won't, it will not end well. He's willing, but he got no ace. You got to have some air in the shots, right? Like you got to have something in them pants to anchor yourself. But again that, that is a showcase of someone that you go, okay, this is, this is a freak. What can I do with him? Like how do I, how do I use him at the next level? He's got all these supernatural gifts that can, that can give you a chance. Remember Vernon Davis, super freak? Like you know, was not a great tight end, was not bad but like he was also a little bit bigger. But hey, Sonny Styles numbers in High School. 6, 4, 2, 10, 4, 6, 7, 4 0. 32 inch vertical, 106 broad.

Brent Rollins (11:02)

So he bested all those by significant.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (11:05)

He gained 34 pounds in college. His vertical dropped 2 tenths and his or his 40 dropped 2 tenths and his vertical gained 12 inches.

Brent Rollins (11:16)

Yeah, 11 or 1212 inches.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (11:18)

So he gained a foot on his vertical.

Brent Rollins (11:20)

Impressive. I mean your brother running 42428 or 4-29-whatever. Lorenzo ran was pretty insanely impressive too. I'm going to go back to the helmet that's above your well to your left there. Would I. If I had said, hey, coming into the combine after the combine, Monroe Freeling might be looked at as OT1, would you be shocked by that?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (11:43)

Absolutely not.

Brent Rollins (11:45)

Because in terms of hey, build a left tackle in a lab like you knew the measurements were there, but then the athletic testing, I mean he went sub 4, sub 5 and the 40 like 4, 9, 3, I think. 4, 9, 4, yeah. 6, 7, 3, 1534 inch like crazy long arms and a lot of people. And I've even seen some sort of post combine mock drafts putting him as OT1.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (12:08)

Does that shock you and this. No, because this O tackle class is not, is not full of a bunch of studs. This is not like one that's backed up and everybody's like, yeah, I, I want this guy or this guy's my. All of them. It seems to be like there's, there's a little bit of issue with something and Freeling when it comes to him. The issue is experience. Right? He hasn't played that much. He's played both tackle spots. But if you watch him, he's got some nasty to him, which I like. He's got some, he's got some. I want to, I want to beat the piss out of you, which I mean I just, I like the aggressiveness to want to go finish plays, you know. He's also got some moments where you want to see him be a little bit better in pass protection, but you also see some great feet and you see some moments where he's really, really, really good. So he's, he started one year basically, you know, so I think that he's a guy that you also look at and you go, this is not a guy that's going to get worse. He's going to continue to improve to get better when he gets time. But the measurables, the athletic ability, the heart, the, the, the competitive temperament is, is all check, check, check.

Brent Rollins (13:13)

Yeah. And I think he's top 20 at worst now, especially with some of the numbers that you see. Some other quick ones. Mike Washington, running back at Arkansas ran 433 at 223 pounds. Eli Stauer. So Sadiq breaks the tight end vert jump and then Stowers goes right after him shortly after and goes 44.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (13:30)

My beer. Let me tell you something, Stowers. If you didn't watch Stowers like that, that dudes that listen to me, it's not a comparison with Towers and Sadiq like Stowers all day long. Like it's not it's not even close to me. Like you put you you you split out Stowers frame is incredible. Like that frame is just big. He'll pluck it. He splits out a wide receiver and he can win. Like he's just Stowers to me is

Brent Rollins (14:01)

he's tight end one for you 100%

Co-host (Football Analyst) (14:04)

like it's natural the way he catches it. His story is awesome and how he was a five star quarterback and just played tight end and developed and started developing more and more. Like I know what he can do. He was the centralized. He was a central focal point of Vanderbilt's offense. Like he was he was everything in that offense and what he could do. So yeah he just, he's not surprising the athletic ability in the frame and the size.

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Brent Rollins (16:29)

Couple I'll save for later. But this one I'm gonna run by you as a North, North Dakota State was very much a winner with Bryce Lance and then Cole Payton because I'm gonna hear only quarterbacks since 1999 to weigh over 200 pounds with a vertical jump over 38 inches and a 40 time less than 4, 6. So I'm going to give you the list. You want to guess a couple other

Co-host (Football Analyst) (16:54)

vertical jump over what?

Brent Rollins (16:56)

Over 38, 440 time less than 46 weighed over 200 pounds. Fast guys.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (17:03)

The oak 200. The over 200 pounds is the one

Brent Rollins (17:06)

that and I bet Vic was 210. Michael Vick was 210433 in the 40

Co-host (Football Analyst) (17:12)

by the way, I wouldn't have thought Vic was 210. Gosh dang.

Brent Rollins (17:16)

the combine. At the combine. At least that's the, that's the key. Okay So, 4, 3, 3, 40. So Anthony Richardson 443 at 244 and over 40 is vert. Robert Griffin III.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (17:31)

Yep.

Brent Rollins (17:32)

Dante Culpepper. No, not prayer but Culpepper. 4, 52 at 255 pounds and a 39 inch vert. That's insane.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (17:42)

That's a big boy.

Brent Rollins (17:43)

But there's two more added to the list this year. Taylor Green who we knew was a, you know, at 227 he was 43 and a half on the vert 43640. And Cole Payton from North Dakota State at 232 ran 456 and had a 40 inch vertical. A guy that maybe end up is QB3 4 potentially, I don't know. But that, that guy in terms of athletes in North Dakota State was a winner this weekend.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (18:11)

So they always are, aren't they? Like they just have, they always have somebody every year that you're going wait a minute like what about this guy? And you know it's, it's, it's, it shows you how they develop their program, right? Like it shows you they know how to get guys and take them and make it, make a three star into a five star.

Brent Rollins (18:27)

And I also think like you can just tell that training and specific training for these events and explosive training, all that sort of stuff, it just, it gets better and better every year. These guys are just unreal.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (18:38)

Well, you're doing it at a Younger and younger age, yes. Like you're doing these drills. Like me and my son were working on these drills because he's going to, he's doing it for colleges. Like, so you're starting to learn this stuff at a younger age and be more, you know, understanding of how to do it. There's more, there's more facilities now that are within reach of people that you can go to. Everybody's majoring in training the youth because they know they can get rich and take people's money, which is fantastic. But obviously the superhuman human, human mutants are already mutants, and they just get bigger and better and better. Like. Yes, you're not going to turn your kid into that.

Brent Rollins (19:12)

By the way, did you watch any of it or you just watch highlights?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (19:15)

I watched a little bit of it because Rich Eisen is fantastic. I mean, Daniel Jeremiah is fantastic, Charles Davis is fantastic. Like, they just, they do such a great job that, yeah, I like to turn it on, but I get bored pretty quickly. I don't like to sit there and linger. Like, the drills, to me are. They're just not that much fun to watch. I mean, okay, everybody does the same drill. It's not football.

Brent Rollins (19:37)

It's.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (19:37)

It's not that cool. I just, I don't, I don't love watching it now.

Brent Rollins (19:41)

Okay, so one other question. Would you rather watch the big fellas do their thing, the O lineman, D line, or would you rather watch the receivers and the skill guys do their thing?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (19:50)

I'd rather watch the big fellows like,

Brent Rollins (19:53)

like Fano and Freeling and all those. And Jennings Dunker and those guys just with the, with the great flow that he has. The flow was.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (20:01)

The lettuce was fantastic.

Brent Rollins (20:03)

Red lettuce. Very much so. But yes, I'd rather watch those guys move because, like, I assume receivers can move well and, you know, safeties and corners and all that. Hey, I get. You're going to be fast. I want to see the big fellas and the athletes that they can be.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (20:17)

No diggity no doubt. So there's your combat combine. Freakazoid numbers updates, which are, which are fun to cover. All right, so our team, we've got one team this week, and that is Michigan. The Michigan Wolverines. They were 9 and 4. They were solid, not spectacular. Can they break through and make it to the College Football Playoff? You know, why or why not this next season? Why? You know, I think the craziness around the program and some of the stuff we didn't know now will be gone. You know, Kyle Whittingham is Not a, he's a no nonsense guy. He's going to, he knows how to coach, he knows how to win, knows how to build toughness. Different group of characters, but bringing a bunch of guys with him with that knows the expectation. There's this guy, golly, what's his name, Bryce Underwood, that was, you know, one of the most highly paid and sought after quarterbacks that remember he was going to LSU for development and then he wanted to stay in state when the numbers got really big, right? Like Michigan was like, oh, we're going to pay you over $10 million literally. I mean that's, that's what kind of numbers were thrown around. So you got a 6, 4, 2, 3. Like he's, he's a, he's a, like I remember a coach telling me in the sec like he's a Cam Newton type body. Like his body looks like Cam. He's only going to get bigger and STRONGER, you know, six, four, two, 30, you know, in what he was, he was 11 touchdowns, nine interceptions. That's not great. Like he's. The talent is there. You want to see more development which comes with time. But you got, he's got a new head coach and a new oc so that's not always the greatest thing. But you know what I think the most important part about the Michigan, because I know they're going to be good on defense. They always are. Like, they just, they always are. That's a program you can kind of check and we could talk about transfers and all that stuff, but they're going to be good on defense. Michigan has something that they haven't had since at least 2023, 2022, but, but maybe since 2013. Actually, no, I'll say it. They have something they haven't had since 2013. They have a number one wide receiver. Like they got a dude now. Andrew Marsh is a guy like he's going to be a thousand yard receiver. They haven't had a thousand yard receiver since 2013. It's a great trivia question by the way. Who was it? Nobody would be able to guess it, I don't think. Maybe Michigan fans, but Jeremy Gallen in 2013 had over a thousand. Roman Wilson in 2023 for the natty year had like close to 900. I think Ronnie Bell was a, was really good in 2022, but they've got a true dude at the, at the receiver spot which is going to be very good for Bryce Underwood's development. Jordan Marshall at running back. Remember Haynes gets hurt, he doesn't Come back, he more than toed the rock. You kind of believe in Whittingham and you know Michigan as a program and their development of their way to get, to get good play on the offensive line. So Marshall, and then you got Savion Hitter who's coming in the number one running back in the country. So you got the number one quarterback the year before and now you got the number one running back. You got your number one wide receiver. Like I think Michigan has a bounce back now, Brent, I'm sure I know you. So I didn't even have to text you this about the upcoming season. I literally didn't have to like the schedule and Michigan, you know, to, to break through. What does that look like? And the out of conference versus Oklahoma early in the season is a huge one for Michigan.

Brent Rollins (24:01)

Is it the biggest game on their schedule? That was the question I had.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (24:05)

I think so. Because if you're going to start comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges, if you get that feather in your cap of an at a conference team, Oklahoma is going to be good.

Brent Rollins (24:17)

That was in the playoff a year ago.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (24:18)

They were in the playoff and they're going to be in contention again. Like they're going to. They're not going anywhere. So you get that one and it's in Norman, right?

Brent Rollins (24:26)

No, this one's in Michigan.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (24:29)

That's. That's even better. So them getting him at home is even better. But yeah, you get that one. When you start comparing to other teams that you're going to be going against and you say you got. And you got that feather in the cap, that's a really good thing for go blue.

Brent Rollins (24:44)

So speaking of their schedule, seven of their first nine games are at home. The only road games are at Minnesota and at Rutgers. The big, the biggest stretch, like now they got to go to Oregon and to Ohio State in November. So those are obviously, those are obviously going to be tough games.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (25:02)

I mean, you know, they got, they only got to go to Oregon and Ohio State. No big deal.

Brent Rollins (25:06)

But if you're looking at how the things shaped out this year, you being nine and three with the Oklahoma win and maybe, you know, you beat an Indiana at home because they get Penn State and Indiana at home two straight weeks in October. Like you got to get.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (25:21)

You have me.

Brent Rollins (25:22)

The Oklahoma game is State.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (25:24)

You got Oklahoma, you got Indiana, you got Penn State. Like the Big Ten schedule this year is not what it was last year. Like, the schedule is brutal. They're all playing each other. The top teams are playing each other. This year, for the most part, Michigan is absolutely no different. One other thing.

Brent Rollins (25:40)

Yo, is it possible to quantify the coaching difference? Do you think? Like, how. How big is that difference? Do you think?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (25:53)

I. I did not think Sharon Moore was a bad coach. Never did I look at Sharon Moore and think he was a bad coach. Retaining your DC is huge. Like you. You still got continuity on that side of the football, right? Like you've got your dude that you want. But Jason, didn't they retain Martin?

Brent Rollins (26:11)

They got the guy from. He came from byu, but he's. I think he'd been with Whitting him at some point, if I remember. Yeah.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (26:16)

Is it Beck? Jason?

Brent Rollins (26:18)

No, that's offensive.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (26:20)

Jason. That's right. Jason Beck is the oc But I think that Mish. I don't think. I don't think Whittingham. Like, I wonder. Here's the only thing I'll say about winning him. It's. I think it would be easy to say yes with looking at his track record, but he's also with a different clientele and a different group of kids. And so how does his style work with theirs? That. That's the only thing I kind of wonder about. Like, he's used to Utah kids under recruited kids. Not highly. Like, not guys that everybody wanted. Not divas. He's gonna have some divas. Like he's gonna have some personalities to. To massage and to work. So I wonder about that. But I don't think they're worse. I think it can only get better and the stability will be better. Like.

Brent Rollins (27:08)

But I wonder when you bring in the contingent of players from that he brought with him from Utah when you get, you know, they lose more and bar them that are gone. And you bring in John Henry Daly who had higher pass rush win rate,

Co-host (Football Analyst) (27:22)

but he's also coming off an Achilles. I'm not. I'm not chalking that one up in the bank yet. Like, that's a. That ain't an easy injury to come back from. So to come back from that like full speed and it was late in the season that wasn't early in the season. Like, and Jason Tatum's still trying to come back now to play basketball, right? Like, it's not a. That is not a quick turnaround. So that one might be a little bit of a question mark to me. If you got your.

Brent Rollins (27:45)

Your dude at pass rusher, Smith Snowden at nickel all big receiver slash tight end.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (27:52)

Best, best. Your best weapon. You bring in from your best guy at Utah that you was young, you

Brent Rollins (27:57)

brought him in depth at defensive tackle. And then they bring them recruit the. The MOA kids. Celisa maybe it's Celici, something like that. There was a wide receiver db big time. Like big time recruit for Utah that's coming there. And then also intriguing transfer to me was the French kid from. Jamie French from Texas that was a big time receiver recruit the previous year that didn't necessarily get time in Texas and now is there but the weapons are there. So if. All right, let me give you a stat line. 75 passing grade 3, 000 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, 7 ints. Is that a reasonable expectation for Bryce Underwood in year two? And I, and I gave those numbers for a specific reason.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (28:38)

It should be. It absolutely should be. That, that should be. That should be the jump you expect.

Brent Rollins (28:44)

That was Luke Altmeyer last year, Illinois. Yeah. And top five to six like round, round six or so in terms of production in the Big Ten last year.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (28:54)

And Luke Altmire did not have his. Does not have his talent. Does not. Luke Altmire is really good. Had more experience, took care of the football. Always made plays when his team needed it. But Luke Altmire could run a little bit. He can't run like Bryce Underwood. He can throw it. He can. He can do a lot of different things. He can't throw it like Bryce Underwood. Bryce Underwood has all the measurables and talent. There is no, there is nothing that he can't do with his skill set. But his details and his fundamentals have to get better if he wants to try to reach that ceiling. And I think knowing Kyle Whittingham and what he stresses and what kind of coach he is, I think that he's. He'll absolutely get those things and take that next step.

Brent Rollins (29:37)

How much do you think they tailor things to him? Because obviously they had Devin Damp back at Devin Dampier that previous stop. And then last year Utah who was much more running was much more a part of his game. Like do you think that he dials that up with Underwood or you think he more so tailors the offense to fit Underwood style? Because it was a unique offense last year with all the empty sets, 6 and 7 man offensive line groups, all the like it's going to be completely different at Michigan.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (30:03)

Well, if.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (30:03)

But. But great coaches use what they have, right? Like he also. He didn't have a marshall at wide receiver. He. He's. He's gonna. He had a good running game. He had a good offensive line used that. Dampier also had some limitations like Bryce Underwood does not have limitations. Now, does he throw a check down 7,466 miles an hour? Yes, he does. Would I like to see that work? Would I like to see his feet be tied with his arm a little bit better yet? Like, there's some things to. To work on, but I'd be willing to bet they'll. They'll get that figured out.

Brent Rollins (30:34)

Do you think Michigan at right now, though, do you think that they are a playoff team?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (30:39)

I think they're right on the fringe, man. Like, I literally, I. I think I got some syrup with my waffle and it's like, it's back and forth, back and forth.

Brent Rollins (30:50)

What kind of waffle you having?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (30:52)

Yeah, I know, right? Multigrains, Kodiak waffle that have the low protein.

Brent Rollins (30:57)

Protein.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (30:57)

Protein in the. In the end, I'll say yes. I'll say yes. I say Bryce Underwood takes the next step. Whittingham has them early, and if they can get Oklahoma early in the season at home, big time having that at home, that's huge in the whole home

Brent Rollins (31:14)

schedule that they have early like that.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (31:17)

That's how you get them. It's all set of them to have success.

Brent Rollins (31:20)

So.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (31:22)

All right, next 2026 DCs. We did the OCS list last week and I think it was pretty solid. We got some hate towards it, which I love. I absolutely love that. So we're doing the game changing DCs in the, in the 2026 season. I don't think this will be a list that everyone even knows everyone's name on it, especially the one that I have at number two. Number one, Will Muschamp. Been a head coach in the league at Florida, at South Carolina, played at Georgia, spent a bunch of time at Georgia, spent time with Vandy, with his son. Talent is not a problem. Attitude and toughness is the problem at Texas. Boom's got plenty of that. Plenty of attitude, plenty of. Plenty of toughness. Plenty of five stars, plenty of pass rush. Like he should have a little bit of everything. And I think if you're a Texas fan, the number one thing you'll be excited about is your scheme will not be play it safe. Kotowski was a great dc. I'm not knocking him as a. He's a good. He's a really good dc. To me, he played a little bit more towards maybe having less talent than being at Texas. Texas has the talent to play more aggressively, to blitz more, to play more man to man. They're more safe and more zone. I don't think Muschamps that's his style. I think they immediately come in, he changes that defense and he changes the attitude and the edge of the team because he ain't going to put up with nothing. And he knows how to coach. Will Muschamp's going to have a big say in the Texas Longhorns if they go chase a championship run. He'll have some very good intel. Number two, Vince Karras. Vince Karras. I, I wish we could do a live poll right now and go, who is that guy? Where was he? But even ask Brent, I don't think he would know. Like, this dude is a, is inheriting a program at Syracuse who has been very good offensively, very creative. Now listen, Angeli getting hurt last year change their season. But this is a defense that has been a train freaking wreck. They gave up the most points in the ACC last year, 35 points a game. Like, not good. He comes in from Toledo. Toledo was number one in the country or number fourth nationally in 13 points per game. Like second the nation in yards allowed. Why do I think he'll be a good fit? Because of his background. Spent time at Mountain Union, at Toledo, knows how to develop like a developer. There's a difference between a developer and someone like we talked about North Dakota State, they're developers. That's, that's what Keras is. And I think he can develop his defense. I think it'll be very. Taking guys that are not as highly recruited because that's what you're going to get at Syracuse, but taking guys with experience, I think the defense immediately gets a lot better. Carrier Dome can rock. It can be a fun place to play defense in and it. But it hasn't been rocking and there hasn't been a lot of defense. I think his impact is it's not going to be the Toledo defense, but it's going to get a freaking lot better, a heck of a lot better than it was. Next one. Number three, Jim Knowles, who now remember, won a championship at Ohio State two years ago, went to Penn State and then now is in Tennessee. So three stops in three years. That's kind of crazy for a guy that is beloved and talked about as one of the better, you know, defensive coaches in college football. And how bad did Tennessee want to make this change? They were 91st in points allowed, 91st in yards. They had a date that they were kind of had. They had a good relationship. Banks was their D.C. and he's. And they're like, yeah, we. You got us to the dance, got us to the playoff two years ago. Like this is a good relationship. We're happy. Like Knowles became available and they dropped, they dropped that date like a bad habit. Like really, really quickly. Like get the heck out of here to bring Jim Knowles and again Frank Broyles Banks was up for the Frank Broyles top assistant two years ago and so they got rid of them. Knowles system. I think it goes well with Hypo's offense, I really do. But I think Jim Knowles will have a great impact. Number four going to give you another name we talked about on the OCS list. We talked about Chip Kelly being at Northwestern. A lot of people don't didn't realize that had no clue. Gary Patterson, you remember that guy at tcu. Insane energy, pulling up his pants all the time. Like jacked up hall of Fame head coach statue at tcu they got a statue of him outside. What did he do so well at TCU? Developed unbelievable job of defensive talent. Developing great system, 22 year run. They were incredible and very innovative with his wristbands and the uniqueness of his defense. It would be a whole podcast to go into the the different ways that he was very unique and changing calls due to formations and just he goes with Lincoln Riley to USC and so to me how does that fit like the personality wise? Gary's got a big personality. He's a big talent. He's got a big personality but was also a head coach for a long time. Took some time off, a new age, a new era in football. So. But I think Gary Patterson can have a big impact. I think that he's never had those resources, he's never had those dudes. He's taken those other dudes and developed them and put out great players at an insane level. Now you give them some dudes with some high end talent to start with, what does he turn them into? I think he could have a big impact.

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Co-host (Football Analyst) (38:53)

And Lincoln Riley will let him do his thing for sure. He's a, he's an offensive coach. That's his thing. He'll stay on offense. How about the guy he's replacing is number five on the list? D' ANTON LYNN this is, this is Penn State's new defensive coordinator. This is Penn State's fifth D.C. since 2021. Fifth in Penn State. It ain't like you think about them and go man, they've sucked on defense. They, they've had some good defenses and some really, really good players and I think Matt Campbell like had to nail this higher to, to go with his offense to, to get something going. Good things to know about Lynn. He played defensive back for Joe Pa at, at Penn State so obviously familiar with the program in the Big Ten already because he was at usc, remember with Lincoln Riley turn that defense around. He's, he's kind of got a history of that. He spent a and the Bills and the Chargers and the Ravens. But in 2023 he went to UCLA and they went from, you know, 87th nationally to top 10 and so quick turnaround. Then he goes to USC in 2024 and they were better. So he's kind of moved around a lot as a DC but finding a home back at home to where he went to school. I think he'll have a pretty good impact, bring some stability and hopefully be there a little bit longer than a lot of his last stops. Brent Rollins OC list was way more prevalent and way easier to find a bunch of names. But the DC list has some big names on them. A lot of those names, you know them, but did you know that Kara's did you know Vince, first off, number two.

Brent Rollins (40:31)

How dare you think I don't know who that is. I'm a little upset that you don't because that is, I mean the dude coached at Muck Mount Union.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (40:39)

Yes. Like the only reason I'm about to say the only reason I thought you would know that was because of that. That's the only reason I gave you a Ch.

Brent Rollins (40:46)

Otherwise, 95 and 6 as a head coach.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (40:49)

Otherwise dad's a legend. And then his dad was a huge legend. He took over dad and then went to. And then he went to Toledo as a DC and turned that around. Their defense sucked when he got there and he turned it around. I think, I think that's a great hire by Fran Brown. Like you talk about a guy that fits the system. I think it's beautiful.

Brent Rollins (41:08)

And turns kids into pros. Like when like Toledo's head, I think somebody drafted maybe four or five straight drafts. So like Quinnian Mitchell being the sort of most well known of those Mus. Champ Knowles and Patterson I think are the easy. Are easy choices to that. The other like in terms of pressure, I was thinking like who has the most pressure? Does Muschamp have a lot of pressure on him at Texas? Because it feels like this whole group at Texas this year, it just feels like a all in chips are all in kind of thing. Did you remember today, even earlier today I saw they added Mark Stoops.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (41:45)

Yes. Which is awesome.

Brent Rollins (41:47)

Like another person.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (41:49)

What you don't realize, I'm telling you guys, like, do you understand how easy it was for Kirby Smart and Dan Lanning when you've got Will Musk Champ and like Kirby Smart, Will Muschamp, Dan Lanning and Glenn Schumann in the same room like calling defensive plays. It's. It just.

Brent Rollins (42:07)

They're going to get it figured out.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (42:08)

Yeah. Like when they had Bobo and Faulkner and Monket. Like it's ridiculous. Right. When you start having that many minds that have seen everything, they know how to compartmentalize it. So that's a big hire for Texas to bring in Mark Stoops, who's familiar with everybody in the league, the inner workings, knows his stuff. And guess what? What does Mark Stoops have? He has a mother freaking edge. Mark Stoops don't put up with your bullshit. Like Musk Champ has to go develop that culture. He is not coming in there with a good, with a nice, nice and easy mindset. Like he is going to come in there chewing suckers out, laying down the law and making them understand what it's going to Take like that, it's going to take a little edge. Texas needs an edge. Texas needs. Texas needs some. Like we used to talk about it back in the day. Need some dudes without mailboxes. Right. Like you need some mother blank you in you. Like you need a couple of guys that got a little bit of edge to him and I guarantee you, boom, we'll get that out of them.

Brent Rollins (43:06)

I also sort of formed this into two different category, two other categories, one category. So I had biggest opportunity. I had Charis in that group because, like, if you go and he's a head coach background, if he goes and has instant success, Syracuse, like, is he a quick head coach, turnaround type guy? The other is Nebraska's Rob. I think it's outrich. I might be saying that wrong, but he was at San Diego State a year ago.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (43:33)

Yep.

Brent Rollins (43:33)

That's a program that's just starving to be good on defense again and win consistently and if you have success there. But then the other group was the welcome back old friend group. Zach Arnett is back at Mississippi State and probably the most unique coaching situation in all of College football in 2026.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (43:54)

Sean Pry or Shane Price is Brent Pry.

Brent Rollins (43:57)

Yes.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (43:57)

Or his brother Brent.

Brent Rollins (43:59)

Yes. Brent Pratt, Virginia Tech, who was their head coach and is now their defensive coordinator. But obviously him and Franklin, you know, he was at Penn State with Franklin, so there's the relationship there. But hey, you're not our head coach anymore, but do you want to be our dc? It could be great. But that's just an interesting dynamic on. On the defensive side.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (44:18)

Good for them. He didn't have to move.

Brent Rollins (44:20)

I mean, it's nice.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (44:22)

Everybody gets to stay intact. Got a new. You got a new boss, a guy that, A guy that has respect and everybody can call some defense. That's a good thing for them. But a lot, A lot of. A lot of coaching movement, obviously this off season. So with it comes a lot of guys that are.

Brent Rollins (44:35)

When it can be game changing. Because look what Corey Heather did for Miami. It completely changed the entirety of their team because without the defensive change that they had, they. They aren't where they were a year ago.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (44:50)

Yep, no doubt. All right, Wesley, I know you're going to be all over this. I want to hear your. I want to hear your opinions on this one because, I mean, just take it. You. You just take this because I, I know you're excited about this because you sent it to me and I was like, that is crazy.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (45:04)

All right, so AI in college football is a big deal right now. And it's kind of been simmering under the surface. But now this story is the one that told me. All right, we're ready. Were ready to talk about AI on C. Ball, get ball. And it's the story that I first saw on X. I think Sports Illustrated covered it. I'm sure everybody covered it. Players in high school are using AI to fake their huddle tapes. And that in and of itself is. Is impressive, but it's also dumb, potentially fatal mistake. I mean, think about a kid that, that uses AI on his huddle tape and makes him look like a war daddy on the D line. He gets a scholarship to a D1 school and then he just gets, you know, murder first day of practice.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (45:57)

I mean, but you still won because you signed a contract and made some money. Like, did you. Did you really lose? Like, that's. Here's what I'd say. It makes college coaches jobs even harder. Right? Like, yeah, but. But here's my question, Wes, what.

Brent Rollins (46:12)

What.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (46:12)

What would you have done with this? Like, what would your game have looked like? Man, Would you. Would you have made yourself a headhunter or would you have made yourself a stud receiver? Or are you throwing 80 yard touchdowns? Oh, watch the deep ball on this guy. Like, what. What would you have made, Wes? What would Wes's position have been?

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (46:29)

All right, you ask, so I'll say it. I don't, I don't just bring this up without being asked. I never dropped a pass in practice in high school. Not, not one time playing tight end. But in games, they never threw the ball. So I would make our offense actually throw a pass to a tight end. That's probably what I would do.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (46:52)

I like that. I mean, in there, in there a situation too with like other stuff with AI that you. That you figured out.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (46:59)

Yeah, so. So it's kind of a three tiered thing. I want to talk about AI tonight. So there's the huddle stuff, which, you know, if y' all have ideas, if you all have anything you want to say in the chat about that, please hit us up. Pretty interesting stuff. Brent asked AI about AI and cfb. I don't know that. What does that mean, Brent?

Brent Rollins (47:21)

I went on Claude AI and said, how is AI shaping college football? And it gave me all kinds of interesting facts and things that AI is doing in college football, such as recruiting and game planning, player performance, analyzing that nil play design, academic compliance, all sorts of things that. So I asked AI about AI in college football.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (47:45)

Awesome. I don't even know why I'm on the show tonight.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (47:48)

So, Wes, give me the contract, though.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (47:51)

All right, so this is an interesting one I heard is, you know, these players are asking for a lot of contract stipulations as they talk to coaches about their nil deals. And obviously there's a lot of financial stuff. I'm going to talk about Cam Coleman and who won the weekend. But we talked a few days ago about the street agents, the dads, the uncles that are representing these guys. Heard a story recently about a player who was being represented by a family member that represented. And in the contract rundown, it was all the monetary stuff, but it was a car, it was sideline passes, it was tickets to other sporting events, notable golf, major sporting events down here in the Southeast. All these things listed out, and then at the very bottom, the signature was provided by ChatGPT. So even the contract rundown, I mean, what if your agent was writing all your stuff on chat GPT, dp?

Co-host (Football Analyst) (48:56)

I mean, you might not know, right? Like, but that, that's the thing. There's. There's so many. Like, it helps, right? Like, the chat GBT can help structure. I listen, I've learned to use it now with Grok, and it's freaking amazing. Like, if you're not using it and Zapier helps with us, the show, like, it's amazing what it can do, but also, like, there's. There's a lot of trouble with it too. Like, trust me, with these kids, man, they're. They're. That's all they do in school. Like, they don't use their brains anymore. They just chat GBT and then try to change, you know, change. Change 50 words to different things and, like, make this sound. Listen, AI is cool. AI is awesome. It's also out of control and it's nuts. And it's. It's a good thing and it's a bad thing. So I don't know where the line is, but it's. It's. It's something.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (49:45)

School is to be smart enough to learn how to tell AI what to do. Brent, the one thing that I want to ask you about, though, and I think this is maybe the best case, the analytical side, deciding when to go for two versus kicking a pat, deciding at what field position to fake a punt or just go for it on fourth down. I mean, that quant level stuff, things like what Notre Dame hired a PFF alum to help out with. I know there's a blend of the expert human mind plus the AI analytical, nerdy stuff. I mean, I'm sure that stuff's helping, helping coaches out a little bit.

Brent Rollins (50:29)

Right? We think a lot about the, there's a lot of things that's predetermined and they, there's companies out there, like there's one based in Atlanta that a lot of the FPS and Power four teams use. That gives them. Hey, this is the book, this is all the analytics on those type of situations where I think AI might be helping. And eventually helping is when you're doing that in real time when the modeling is coming through. And some of these teams already have it in the pros, they already have these type things. But where, hey, look this there. It's analyzing the game as the game's going and then building in some of the other predetermined information that you already have so you can make end game decisions a little bit faster. But I feel like the human element's always going to be there.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (51:12)

I feel like we need a disclaimer too and let you know, like, hey, they're not always right. Like there's, it's, there's a lot of percentages because, because we use. Well, no, no, I'm not talking about that. Like I'll use it for, for different study things and it'll be like. And I'll be like, that's not, he's not even coaching there. Like, what are you talking. Like that was last year. Like there. It doesn't always find the right year in the right circumstance. Sometimes it's, sometimes it's a year behind, sometimes it's not up as up to date as you would like it to

Brent Rollins (51:40)

be, especially sports realm.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (51:42)

Sports Realm. Big time. Like if you don't, I wouldn't believe everything, everything it says to you. But obviously there's, there's a use for this in, in our society and it makes things. I mean I deal with it every

Brent Rollins (51:52)

day in my day. And you know, I bet you as

Co-host (Football Analyst) (51:54)

a teacher, like you gotta.

Brent Rollins (51:55)

I use it. I have kids use it. I, they, I know they're going to use it. The key for me is, and I think even the job market with a lot of the world that I teach in pharmacy, it's can you make, can you do what you just said? Can you spot when it's wrong? Can you fix those things? You know, it helps you work faster, but can you use it to make you think more? Can you use it to identify problems? That sort of thing? That's where I think it's heading. And a lot of this is heading, no doubt.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (52:23)

All right, who won the weekend? We do it every Monday. Who you got?

Brent Rollins (52:26)

Brent? Well, so North Dakota sports like the boys team and your girls team moving on in the playoffs. Sweet 16 right in that coming up soon, the elite eight.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (52:38)

We just won the elite eight. Okay, now heading to the elite eight

Brent Rollins (52:41)

tomorrow, you get to face one of the best players in the country tomorrow and Wednesday.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (52:44)

Yes. We got Kate Harpering for the girls. She's the number four player in the

Brent Rollins (52:47)

country and her dad was pretty good in the pros.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (52:50)

Yeah, Matt Harpering. That name should sound familiar. She also dropped 38 on her head earlier in the year. So, you know, we have some experience with getting dunked on by her. So not literally, but figuratively.

Brent Rollins (53:00)

So that was good. The baseball. Hey, our. The baseball team. We went scored 30 runs, only five.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (53:04)

And Cameron Rollins goes yard for the first time. Your son.

Brent Rollins (53:07)

Yes. Dropped it. He hit the crap out of that thing. It still has 375, 380ish, almost 100.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (53:17)

Cameron. Cameron is an unbelievable baseball player and has zero desire to play college baseball. But he absolutely could, which is not surprising if you knew Cameron Rollins.

Brent Rollins (53:25)

But that's besides side note, hopefully change his mind. But anyway, outside of that, I, I went for a little different part. Winners of the weekend for me, the white skill guys.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (53:36)

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Racist. You racist. What are you doing? Whoa, whoa.

Brent Rollins (53:42)

Because like, you know, I gotta call that out. Dylan Tieneman, Jacob Rodriguez, like, hey, every prior to the, prior to the draft or prior to the combine. Hey, questions about his athleticism, a.k.a. he's a white.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (53:56)

He's white.

Brent Rollins (53:57)

Like so. And then you got a recent run of just Colson Loveland, you know, Tyler Warren, Brock Bowers lad, pure soul. Like all these guys like Haynes King447. Now we'll say Haynes King did make to me like a big white guy mistake. He wore black shoes. Like white shoes. You got to wear white shoes. He would have looked so much faster. But still those guys, he looks racing those athleticism. Like Tina went four, three, six, I think or four, three, seven.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (54:27)

Yeah, well, we talked about Haynes King all year, man. He won the 100 coming out of high school. Like this wasn't slow, but he. But obviously the, the stigman connotation that comes with it. I did not see you being racist this afternoon or tonight.

Brent Rollins (54:39)

Michael Taft with like skill guys are making a comeback.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (54:44)

Like it. You gotta love it. My winner is every athlete in the state of Mississippi. You know why? No state income tax. Bye bye. Your contract is fantastic. Like don't worry about now. Not that, not that everybody's paying taxes and know what the heck's going on. They should. But that, that is a important nugget because you already got no state income tax in Florida, in Texas and in Tennessee. Like, it's already an advantage that is being talked about when you're buying and yes, when you're, when you're purchasing things or when you're having a contract, because that's what a lot of these guys are having now. So Mississippi joins Arkansas, who recently did it. Smart, smart job by the Mississippi courts.

Brent Rollins (55:27)

And it's a little different when it's like 100, 200, 500, a million versus, you know, the McDonald's bags of cash that you got back in the day.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (55:35)

Yes.

Brent Rollins (55:36)

And you didn't pay taxes on that either.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (55:38)

No taxes. But Mississippi, by the way, you know, it was also kind of good with Trinidad's ruling was pretty. Mississippi is looking out for their football. There's their, excuse me, their sports programs. They're doing a good job. Good, good job. Mississippi. You won.

Brent Rollins (55:52)

They won. Those athletes did win, that's for sure.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (55:54)

They definitely won. Wesley, what you got, bro?

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (55:56)

Cephas, I'll keep it in the sec. Texas just continues to roll. And a couple things. Mark Stoops, y' all mentioned that earlier. That's awesome for him. I mean, to go from Lexington to Austin and have that special assistant to the coach role. I mean, that is pretty dang sweet. And then a story from a few days ago. Pete Nacos at on3 had a feature about Cam Coleman and he had an anonymous SEC coach, not Coach gm, tell him that Coleman had a blank check to go to his school and he wasn't going to go to Texas for any less than that.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (56:33)

No.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (56:34)

I don't know. Is Cam Coleman going to be the most hyped portal receiver in this new portal era? I mean, with everything that Texas is doing and arming up to do in Austin, he's kind of like the cherry on top with all the coaching moves as well. He's like kind of the crown jewel from a player standpoint other than, you know, other than Arch, who was already there.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (57:00)

Well, I mean, and Coleman west did nothing. Like, he was like a 1600 yard receiver a year ago with 12 touchdowns.

Brent Rollins (57:07)

So I'm saying.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (57:08)

So I think, you know, Cole Kubrick talked about it and kind of he was like, good riddance, right? Like, get out of Auburn. So kind of differing opinions, I think, on Cam Coleman. But the good thing about that dude who's big and strong, like, it'll be fun to watch him in an offense that Allows him to thrive a little bit more and does a little bit more. Because when the ball's up in the air, I mean, he'll bite you. He'll bite you for it. Yeah, he can do some special things. And a lot of times it just takes George Pickens in the NFL, like going to the Cowboys. It takes a good system a lot of times to highlight what you can possibly do. And I would be willing to bet Ken Coleman goes off, got the franchise tag.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (57:46)

I mean, he's awesome when he wants to be, right? Yeah.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (57:49)

And we'll see if Cam can be great with a great team and, you know, we'll see. We'll see what he can do. Because it's definitely to get a blank check, meaning that, first of all, I don't. I don't believe that. Like, if I got a blank check, If I got a blank check, wouldn't I, wouldn't I push, push the envelope as far as possible? Like, I'm not going to another team unless I know how many zeros I'm going to get. Like, okay, it's blank. Sure. Seven.

Brent Rollins (58:15)

No.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (58:15)

Okay, well, I want to know that. Like, okay, I got this from Texas. I want this from lsu. I mean, another school. What other possible school it could be? Who knows? I don't know. But, like, wouldn't you think you'd push the envelope a little bit? Like, yeah. So I'm not buying that as much.

Wesley (Guest or Contributor) (58:32)

But he didn't like the way the check looked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One, one thought about Texas, though, as we wrap up, I just wonder, are they bringing in too many people? They're bringing in too many people. No, that's a lot of. That's a lot of egos.

Co-host (Football Analyst) (58:50)

It's a lot of egos and a lot of things. Obviously, Texas bringing in a hodgepodge. It's on Sark to bring it together. And now bringing in Stoops and Muschamp, ex head coaches. I think it's. It's very smart of him to continue to seek to help and find. And so, man, we got. We got a bunch of coaches coming up. Eric Morris from Oklahoma State is going to join us. Coach Summerall from Florida is going to join us, like, as we continue. So keep looking for the content. We'll join. We'll jump on with Matt Miller again, talk more Combine, who won, who lost. Behind the scenes stories about who's inflating who. So keep peeping back with us, guys, and check it back with us. We appreciate y' all all the growth. Thank you so much. Peace.