Brent (3:04)

Yard didn't want to use it.

David Holland (3:05)

So I will get it.

Brent (3:07)

Just not right this second.

David Holland (3:08)

All right, we'll get it to you people. Find people a little bit later on. This is a beautiful, beautiful thing about doing live podcast. We got some people in the chat already. Appreciate it already. The Canes are well represented. You should be. So we might as well start with something that affects the Miami Hurricanes. College football has made some tweaks to their college football playoff format. I think it's, I think it's interesting. I think this conversation needs to happen every single year, right? Like we need to know or we need to make subtle changes every year. For example, last year we talked about it. What do we talk about? We talked about the, the four conference champions getting buys. It was a stupid rule, right? Like we didn't need to do that. Like the highest ranked champions at a conference didn't need, did need to have buys. We fixed that. I think it's great. It's very interesting because the dynamic for the 12 team playoff is everyone wants to expand. Hold on, let's rephrase this. The SEC in the Big Ten, the only one who gets votes. So everyone else are like me and you just kind of sitting in the corner like, hey, I got an idea. Yeah, shut up. Sit down and shut up. Because that's kind of the way it works. So the, so the Big Ten with Tony Petiti, he, he, he has an idea of what he wants to go to. Greg Sankey has an idea. If he wants to go to Greg Sankey, he wants to go to the 16 team model so we can debate the semantics and all the if, ands or buts about the system. The Big Ten commissioner said, I'll do that. If you commit to after three years, we'll go to a 2014 playoff. So I don't know how all y' all feel about this, but I know the SEC wants a few more to 16. The Big Ten wants 24. I don't know how we settle this in the end, at some point, they're gonna have to, you know, get in a room and. And figure this thing out. But it's so much like everything else. But here's what we have for next season. So, automatic bids to each Power 4 champ, regardless of ranking. So that would have changed things this year. How would that have changed things? If you look at it, Duke's in, right? So if Duke won the acc, which they did, remember that game against Virginia, they would have been in. Into the College Football Playoff. Would have been a nice day for them. Would have been a nice payday for Duke. Might be in a different situation that we'll talk about in a little bit. It might have helped him out. So that would have changed that. Because obviously, you know, you look at, that's an auto bid for a Power 14 Notre Dame. Good to be the Irishman. Good to be the Irish. It's nice to be the Irish when. When you're guaranteed to get a bid when you're in the top 12 of the final, final polls. Just guaranteed. That's interesting to me. Do I like that? I don't know. And I say that because what if they're tied with a team that they played or, excuse me, what if they're right next to a team that they played and head to head comes into place? Obviously, the committee could fix that. But let's be honest. We don't always get the committee, you know, doing what we want them to do. And so, you know, so. So those are a few tweaks that. That are changed now with the playoff. The system will be in place next year. So in that scenario, Duke would have been in over James Madison, which I think everybody's on board with, but Notre Dame would have been in over Miami. And I don't know that anybody's on board with, especially with what Miami just did like. And I think, again, we would have had that head to head in the. In the close ranking. So is that something that we. We get fixed? Do I care about this? Yes. Here's another reason why I care. Well, first of all, it'll avoid what we just avoided it now. We'll avoid another group of five team getting in it, which should never happen. We should never have that at all. We shouldn't have one. We should not have one group of Five team. So we dang sure shouldn't have two in this thing. So I have very much have a problem with that. And that to me is something that we've got to continue to work out, we've got to continue to look at. But I think it's interesting, man, everybody's in favor of expanding, but they can't figure out what number they want to expand to. And so that'll be an interesting thing to monitor, to maintain and to see what goes on in the future. Because the more things stay the same, the more they change, right? Like they'll, they'll continue to change and we'll continue to tweak. Like I said, we've tweaked them in the past and we're going to continue to tweak and we should. All right. Mensah is a big story, Is a huge story. And Mensa at Duke signed a huge lucrative deal with Duke a year ago. Signed a two year deal. This dude's for real now. Like he is for real, for real. And he's a really good football player. So the quarterback market has absolutely settled, right? Like you saw all of these guys start to pick a destination when we, we talked about Sorsby to Texas Tec and we talked about Levitt going to, to lsu and the list goes on and on, all the way down. Well, Miami was busy, busy doing something else. Miami was busy trying to win a championship and they were doing a really good job of it and came really, really close. And Miami's now kind of left with like, where, where do we go at the quarterback spot? They were in the mix obviously for it, but they didn't get a guy. And so this is absolutely nuts. How do you spend your playoff money? If I'm Miami, I'm glad I got it. Like, they got 4 million for making the field. And remember, Brent's told you this ACC rules, you get to keep the money. 4 million for making the field, 4 million for a quarterfinal, 6 million for a semifinal, and 6 million for a title game. Miami made an extra $20 million on ACC schools like Duke. So now, first of all, Miami's proven what they want. Miami is no longer in the high school recruiting business. Like, they're not getting their quarterback. They're not going to get an 18 year old and be like, hey man, you're a five star, you're a stud. Like, we're going to groom you, we're going to recruit you. No. Miami's like, screw that. Like, they paid Cam Ward 1.5 a couple years ago and ended up being the number one pick. That's a steal, like nowadays. Absolute steal. Carson Beck in the neighborhood the next year of $4 million. The next guy, Mensah, who to me is very interesting because I think he's kind of a combination of the two. He's got a little Cam Ward playmaking ability to him, but obviously can throw the absolute football and make some plays like Carson did. Obviously. I think he's an awesome fit for exactly what. What they, what they make themselves in this offense. I think it'll allow them to be a little bit more dynamic. They'll still have the physicality, but you look at Mensa and what they're paying. So here's why Duke is willing to do this. Duke made this deal because Duke got paid. So Miami paid Duke and Mensa didn't want to be there. So I guess they figure, hey, we're going to get the money back. We can go do what we want with it. So who that cares? And then they pay Mensa, so, you know, they were going to pay Mensa more. So we're looking at over $10 million for Mensah slash Miami to make this come to fruition. So, I mean, it's, it's a nice, it's a nice world to live in if you're a quarterback. Like, you want to be a quarterback in this world, man. Like the, the. The terms of the settlement not, not released yet. Cooper Barkrate is, is coming with him, his wide receiver from, From Duke. When I look at Mensa and I look at this fit, obviously Shannon Dawson showed you a lot of something. You got Malachi Tony to throw to, which is exactly what you want. Like, you want a superstar, you want a stud, you got him. I think that this is. When I look at, you know, Brent jump in here on this because, because, because I remember we talked about Mensa all last year. Like, we talked about him even coming over from Tulane and how great he was to me, you know, and you're the numbers guy, so. So Brent, if you don't know, works for on 3, works for PFF, knows the numbers inside and out, watches all this stuff more than you do, I promise. But when you look at Mensa, I like him and I. My comparison for Mensa is he gives me a little C.J. stroud vibes. He gives me a little ball is out. I can read it, I can throw it plenty of arm. I've got enough ability to make plays, but I don't live in that world. I'm not the. I'm not the scrambling dude that like I'm not Cam Ward. You know I'm not going to make plays over and over but can play within structure but that dude's numbers and what he's done and I mean he put up some stick sick numbers for Duke I mean and did just fine even though his defense kept giving up points ad nauseam.

Brent (11:40)

Yes and I will just so beast mode shout out with the super chat. I don't think he's similar not similar to Trinidad. I I like the CJ Stroud comparison especially body type size. I think he can add a little bit to his frame but there's no bones about it. Miami got markedly better at qb.

David Holland (12:03)

Way better.

Brent (12:05)

Like I think you could make a very strong argument that Mensah is in a as a top five returning quarterback in college. All of college football.

David Holland (12:12)

Yep.

Brent (12:13)

And the big thing with what he gives them now they're fully aware of that. Good lord especially with Bar Kate too because he's more he's deep threat guy like he's a down the field target to balance and compliment Malachi Tony but mens is a big game hunter. He he is only one of only two QBs in the Power 4 last year that had over 200 attempts when throws 10 yards plus down the field like he's looking to murder you down the field and he's really good at it and really accurate and a kid who's been pressured probably 30 plus percent mid-30s his entire career.

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David Holland (15:27)

But also makes big time mistakes. And he will fumble the football. He'll throw lots of fumbles, he'll put the ball in harm's way. And I think Miami fans are like, wait a minute, we only lost games because Carson turned the football over. I don't need you to do that. So that, that, that would be the most interesting part with, with Mensa for me. First of all, when you, when you, when you talk about putting Cooper with Malachi, that's a great one, two punch to have your deep guy, to have your short guy, like that's a really, really good thing. Either way, Miami spent this money and had to spend this money. And remember Coach Rick came on the show, by the way, and he was talking about Carson Beck's making more than he was like as a coach like to think about to think about that. And Mentz is obviously even further down the list. This is a I had to have somebody thing. And here's, here's Miami, don't feel bad about it because you got a great one. It doesn't matter if you had to. It doesn't matter what you paid. You made a lot of extra money in the playoffs. You got some donors that are putting in some cheddar. You're building this thing the right way and you're now starting to be transfer quarterback. You like ran a qbu. Like, we need to start coming up with all kinds of names because once you start to build this, you know, this legacy of what you are, who you are, like people are going to want to come.

Brent (16:43)

So edge you with Damon Wilson coming there after.

David Holland (16:46)

Yes. I mean, another one.

Brent (16:48)

That's, that's a good world to live in.

David Holland (16:50)

It's. Dude, if you get the quarterback and the guy to rush them, like the guys that affect the quarterback and the guys that are the quarterbacks seem to make the most money. So it's, it's, it's a good day to be a cane a great season. And then adding this to it is sensational. Also, it's good to be an LSU guy because you can do whatever you want about. You can say whatever you want about Lane Kiffin and the way he did business. I get it. But there's this guy and he. No little guy. It's a grown ace man. Like his nickname is the franchise. Mr. Seaton is 6 foot 5, 330 pounds. And he was the big old. He was the number one offensive tackle in the portal for a reason. Here's what I'll say. LSU's class was extremely impressive. The area that I was like, I want to see this the most is the offensive line. They signed eight guys now, but this guy, this guy's different. And when you play in Elaine Kiffin offense and you pass it as much as you pass it, you need a guy that's a dancing ballerina and this dude is it. I mean, feet are sweet. Pass setting junkie does not give up sacks. Didn't give up one last year. But the big fellow from Colorado, he was ranked the number one tackle in the country a couple years ago coming out of high school. And that is the cherry on top of the Sunday. If I'm Lane Kiffin. This is, this is the whole reason why Lane Kiffin went to lsu. That's exactly. He wanted a little bigger purse so he could go make more of a splash and, and get out some more cheddar. And boy, did he ever.

Brent (18:33)

Is this the most talented offensive lineman he's ever coached or at least as a head coach.

David Holland (18:38)

I Mean, he is one of the most talented guys in all of college football, period. Like, this dude is Sweet Feet McGee. I mean you watch him move his feet and you're like, you're telling me he's 6, 5, 3, 30. It's like pitter patter. Yeah, it's pretty dang good.

Brent (18:53)

And the beautiful part about it is, and the reason I asked that question is because Lane Kiffin has lived in a world where he doesn't have high level offensive linemen drafted in and super talented first round draft pick type offensive lineman because his scheme allows his lineman to be okay and get right over running game. What's that?

David Holland (19:18)

Get run over slowly and.

Brent (19:21)

But especially in the run game. The scheme creates a lot of the things in the run game and the backs being great and things like that. Run, run blocking. Not necessarily Seaton's strength, but it's actually blocking element.

David Holland (19:34)

It's actually.

Brent (19:34)

Period.

David Holland (19:35)

It's actually, it actually I'm going to say this, this kid is, this kid is unbelievable. His talents unbelievable. His run blocking annoys me. It Brent, it annoys me. It makes me physically, it makes me a little bit upset because you don't have that kind of feet at 6, 5, 3, 30 and you don't, you don't not have the ability to move people. You can move people. Like he can move people if he wanted to. The fact that he doesn't. It bothers me. I would love if that can go to another level. And the holy cow, like he's a, he's gonna be a first round pick regardless. When you protect quarterbacks like that, you're going to be a first round pick. He's going to be a top 15 pick, top 20 pick at the very worst probably. But I would love to see a little more screw you like a little more. I hate people. I want to, you know, like I finishing. Yeah, I don't, I don't. Yeah, I don't love that.

Brent (20:29)

But hey, the biggest thing too with him and getting him is he's now got two years of experience. He had, I think he was one of the nation's leaders in penalties as a freshman. It was like 15 or 16 penalties that he had down to 4.

David Holland (20:41)

Think about Shador buying all that time too though. Put him in a lot of bad spots too.

Brent (20:45)

Yes. I mean honestly, like two years experience, super talented. That that makes for. It made Sam Levitt happy and the other quarterbacks they got, that's for darn sure.

David Holland (20:57)

They got a bunch of guys, a bunch of guys that they, that they up that they filled spots and filled needs. Interesting to see how they come together. So that's some good portal talk. But hey guys, listen, we've told you how much Zapier has helped us. My agent, my personal agent, my personal guy that just shows me around. Guy or girl? You actually, you pick. That basically shows you around. Gives me all of my college football needs during the season. Well, now that the season is over, my agent still works for me. It's fantastic. Like my employee. Get to work. Look at this. Like you can see right here. Go find articles on transfer portal. Like this is literally an email that comes to me. This comes to my email address every day. Like former dude Cork Darren or former Duke quarterback Darian Minsk committed to Miami Ohio State. Like it gives me literally play by play. Of all the places where the hot topics are going, what, what's going on in college football, whatever I want to find, I get that email that comes straight to me. Daily emails coming my way leading to meet of the top players. I just want you to realize it was the end season and now it's the off season and it's still finding great work. It's, it's working for me at a high level. Crazy. Having a full time helper that just looks up things for you. What I used to do, what I, what I used to have to do, what used to spend hours upon hours upon hours scouring the net. Like all of today, man, we basically can, can give it to you really, really quickly because Zapier is the best. You can go on the Zapier. You can get the free months basically where you, you can see it yourself, try it yourself, understand where it is. So check out Zapier, man. You get your personal agent that works for you. Really, really cool. All right, so I want to get to this because I think this is, it's not a, it's not a seminal moment in college football, but it really, really could be. And I think by now you've all heard the Dabo Sweeney rant. And Dabo is, you know, one of a, one of, one of a few left. Like there's, there's a couple different kind of coaches in college football. And most coaches in college football used to be relational coaches. Like coaches that, you know, got to know their players, had a great relationship and because they built a relationship, they could push them and get more out of. Well now it's a lot more transactional with the portal and like keeping you happy. And what am I getting? X, Y and Z. So the guys like Dabo, there's not as many of those guys around anymore. But, you know, Dabo, he came to the podium last week, and Dabo came with receipts. And I think that was the, probably the most important part of the rant. He had had enough. And it's one thing for. And Dabo eloquently put it this way. And I'm going to. I'm not going to focus on the latter because that's a little bit of older news. But Dabo basically said, you know, there's tampering. Like, when you mess with the people that. When you mess with somebody that's not even in the portal yet. Get it? That's like, any thought about being. He's on a roster, he's playing. I understand that's tampering. You know, when somebody's going through the. You know, going through the stage and being recruited, obviously there's levels of tampering, right? But when somebody signed on to another team, like, that's the difference that we got to make sure we get here. Like, this dude's in sociology class. Like, this dude understood. This dude is going to, you know, he's going to class. This dude's sitting down with coaches and writing out goals. Like, he's setting his goals. He's enrolled at Clemson. He's enrolled in classes. He's setting out his goals for the season. Like, and now you have another university that tampers, that comes in, that's putting out contracts and telling this kid, and this kid's getting information, you know, drift through. This is not the kid's fault. These are not. This is not the kid's fault. This is the adult's fault. And the adults need consequences. Like, this is absolutely ridiculous. And we're going to get to podium Kings. We do this on every. On one show a week, every week. And we love doing it. Bringing you the sound and the. Of the game. And we've seen this on other shows, by the way, people that are using it. And it's freaking awesome. It's. It's great. But just understand what's going on here and how messed up this is. Dabo Sweeney basically brought receipts, laid out a time, if you missed it. He laid out a timeline of exactly what happened and the stages of it happening of this player at Clemson telling them about, you know, another school reaching out. Ole Miss Pete golden getting involved. Jackson Dark getting involved. Trinidad Chambers getting involved. Like, all of this thing, contracts being sent, all of this stuff, you know, blatant tampering, craziness with Luke Farrell. And then I want you to hear this part. And we're going to play this part for you because I don't want you to miss this part because this part is really, really big and it's going to be bigger down the road. So on the podium kings here, I want you to hear this part and just think about. I'll take you where I want you to go next about it, but just listen to this part about what Dabo says. And to be honest with you, this is crazy to me. This situation is like having an affair on your honeymoon. That's basically what we're dealing with. And I know for a fact that this is happening at other places, because you know why? Because I've had a bunch of coaches over the last week that have. That have reached out to me and they're going, well, let me tell you what's happened to me. Let me tell you what I know. Let me tell you my story. I've had a lot of people reach out with their stories. And so I want to challenge all of those coaches that have reached out to me. I want to challenge all of them. You need to step up and call it out. Otherwise, don't complain. You either step up and you be an example to young coaches in this profession and be people of integrity, or just shut your mouth and don't complain again. Man, like, Give me that. Give me that. Man, like. And so. So here's the deal. It's going to come out like, we're going to hear of how this all came out and how we got all the information. And just hear me when it does, it's going to blow your mind about where it comes from, about who's been talking about it. And it's just. It's going to be. It's going to be very, very interesting. And you're all going to be very intrigued of where all this comes from. But the coaches that are reaching out, here's what's happened now. Here's what's. Here's what's interesting. So Dabo now has filed with the ncaa and so he's put his. His paperwork in. He's trying to get a result. Here's the thing. If we're going to change college football and we're going to. We're going to what do. We don't need to wait four months for this. Bull crap like this should be done really, really quickly. This should not take a lot of time. Dabo brought all the receipts. He talked about Pete Golding, he talked about every single bit of it, brought all the receipts. He Talked about coaches reaching out, telling stories. You'll figure out why that's going to matter, because that's going to have something to do with all the stories and particular players that we hear about. Right? But. But here's the thing. Coaches are now attaching stories on top of Dabos. Like, coaches are now telling their stories about what's going on with certain schools and schools that are obviously implicated at times here. This is also going on. This is also going on. This is going to embolden Dabo. I hope this makes a change. I hope this gets us where we want to get to. But I have. I have skepticism. I still worry about the NCAA and what they can get accomplished. But. But here's what, you know, here's the cool thing. At least these are state employees, so you should be able to get cell phones. You should be able to get data. But Dabo's got data. He's got a lot of research done. He's got a lot of information. Where he got the information will be interesting.

Brent (29:18)

Who.

David Holland (29:18)

What the coaches that. That he's talked to will be interesting because here's the fun thing about our sport and all this stuff, it all comes out. We end up hearing about all of this stuff and where it came from. But, but.

Brent (29:30)

Brent, comment first and then a question. Okay, first comment in terms of bolded and italicized in my notes, because I went. And I re. I listened to it Friday and then re. Listened to it again today. Like having an affair on your honeymoon and step up or shut up is. Was basically the part that I highlighted the most. And I didn't know that was this specific piece that you were playing. So that was there because I actually thought of a movie. You remember the movie. Along came Paulie.

David Holland (29:58)

Oh, yeah.

Brent (29:59)

Stiller and Jennifer Aniston.

David Holland (30:00)

Yeah.

Brent (30:01)

When he. She had the affair. His first wife had the affair on the. On the honeymoon. Scuba Steve or whatever that.

David Holland (30:06)

Scuba Steve. Yeah. Now you nailed it, Scuba Steve.

Brent (30:09)

Like, I thought I thought of that. But now my question, does the NCA actually do anything? Because I went and looked at the rule, tampering rule, like in Reddit, and was like, yeah, okay, there's a rule in place.

David Holland (30:26)

Listen, will they do anything?

Brent (30:28)

And also, like, why haven't we heard. Why haven't we heard all this stuff from Manny Diaz? Like, why wouldn't Manny Diaz be right beside Dabo saying, hey, I had my qb, who is now like, yeah, yeah, we're paying and we're working it out of contract stuff. But still, he was here and he's.

David Holland (30:47)

Gonna, you know the most dangerous man in college football is.

Brent (30:49)

Those are my questions.

David Holland (30:51)

Do you know the most dangerous man in college football is to every coach in college football, Dabo Sweeney. You know why the agent. Dabo's honest. Dabo's honest and dabo's gonna tell the truth, which is not good for everybody else. Like, it's not good for everybody else because he can absolutely say this. He can do this. Here's the problem. So Brent, here's. I'm going to give you a little behind the curtain. So here's what goes on. Different conferences handle this stuff a different way. There are several big time conferences. When tampering happens, it's not reported to the ncaa, it's reported to the conference. Kind of a little protection. A little protection from, from each other. That protection is bullcrap. And here's the thing. It's one thing to tamper, it's another thing. When this dude's enrolled in your campus and he's going to classes. Like the honeymoon analogy is absolutely perfect. Like this has to be a line. And here's the thing, so be it. If you don't want to make this a line in ncaa, so be it. That's fine. But you just screwed college football. You absolutely screwed college football because you gave every single person the right now to do this exact same thing. I can go to any school at any time and purge from your roster. You signed them. Who cares? How is that healthy for any part of our game, it's atrocious. For any part of our game. It's a black eye. If the NCAA, double NCAA doesn't do something with this, I quit with the ncaa. Go away. Walk away. We should do it anyways. The big Tennessee should find a way to do it. But like football needs to go away from it because it's just a bunch of bull crap. You, you cannot let people be enrolled at a school taking classes, creating summer goal or creating my goals for the season.

Brent (32:43)

Like, especially when he just transferred there. It's not like he's, he's, it's not like, you know, Cal season was done November 30th. He's got finals. He's still got in classes. He knows he's going to go to the portal. That's probably, I think Dabo used to 101, 201 and 301 in terms of tampering.

David Holland (33:02)

Fantastic.

Brent (33:03)

So talking when they're not in the portal already, hey, negotiate a deal. When not like the earlier phases, like that's what that would be. But once, hey guys in portal goes to a place and then you do this, that I. All of it's bad. Now the saddest part was the agent was like, you know, if we, if you double the money, we'll, we'll go, at least stay. I think it's something like, I think that was one of the things that Dabo said in the text, right?

David Holland (33:28)

It's all, it's all, all the receipts are there.

Brent (33:31)

Like so have you, have you seen. I saw. I don't know who tweeted it, but if you go on the kids page, he still has a page on Clemson and I went and checked it out just to be sure it was still there. So if you click, it's Luke Forelli. You still click on his bio or timeline. It sends you to the 27 minute video of Dabo reading all that and then the ad talking on their webpage. Like, wow, that's, that's amazing. But that's where you can listen to everything. If you want to go listen to it, find that kid's name on their roster web page and click bio. And that'll take you to the video and you can listen to everything with it. But the, will actually anything be done? Because the other part is the timeliness factor because like the basketball thing that's going on with the kid from Alabama, Alabama, and you know, he was a pro and now he's not like that sort of stuff. That seems like it's going to happen quickly because they're in the season. Like the things with the ncaa, you rarely if ever happen quickly. Like I work in academia, I know it's like dog years. So yeah, I'm not, I'm not really thinking that anything much is going to happen.

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All the ingredients showed up pre chopped.

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David Holland (36:13)

No, I, I've kind of, I've given up hope on the ncaa. But if anything could happen when it's this public and there's receipts that are delivered to the Republic, it's like, it's like going on trial for a murder, right? And you're like, hey, here's the gun, here's the timeline. Here's the guy saying he was gonna do it. Here's the guy who paid him to kill him. Like, the DNA.

Brent (36:35)

Here's the strand of hair.

David Holland (36:36)

We got it all, like, you got it all written out, man. Like, and I'm trying not to lose my mind on this stuff. I, I, I get worked up easily. Obviously y' all can tell, but just, it's just been frustrating. But, but here's, here's something. Let's get, let's get a little more positive. Matt Miller didn't join us today, but he gave us a quick, like, video from the Senior bowl. And we can react to it really quickly, but he kind of did a, a little, you know, overlap or a little, little broad spectrum. Here's what, here's what he saw and some things to pay attention to. We had another good day of practices. Much better weather today. I think the key was that Malachi Fields, the wide receiver from Notre Dame, had a fantastic performance. I mean, at 6 foot 4, 210 pounds, he's dominating people at the catch point.

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David Holland (37:23)

They showed up on tape, but more consistency as well. And he had the catch of the day on a moon ball from Arkansas quarterback Taylor Green, where he went and attacked it, made a play over the defensive back.

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David Holland (37:34)

Player that I think is moving up boards. He could be a late first round pick with the game that he's showing. The linebackers have looked good, of course. Jacob Rodriguez just continues to make plays. He had an interception and a forced fumble today. Kyle Lewis from Pitt is a fantastic athlete who just flies around the field.

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David Holland (37:51)

Lee Hunter from Texas Tech is making plays.

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Zion Young from Missouri is making plays.

David Holland (37:56)

This is a very, very good defensive line class and the Senior bowl really backs that up. Oh yeah, Matt's our dude. I love it. He's going to continue to be with us once a week or so and tell stories like that because he's been at them all and stuff and.

Brent (38:14)

Not.

David Holland (38:14)

Surprising with, with a couple of those names. Lee Hunter we've talked about all year long. Just, you just, you're not supposed to be that big, that strong, that quick. Put your hands on people and they go backwards. Young from Missouri, we talked about him all year long too, about how good he is at rushing the pass or how disruptive. Now Fields from, from Notre Dame, I think he had a catch in every game this year and the strength, the streak went back a long way, but the size always popped off and they played him at that boundary receiver position and you saw him, you know, make more plays, you know, this season and kind of kind of looked at the body and looked at the running and the catch. You know, I think he, he also showed good body control at that size that probably, you know, popped off and obviously he's been doing well. Jacob Rodriguez, there's a shocker. He had an interception, forced to fumble, actually doing that. Sit down with him. I was kind of surprised at his size. He's got really good size. Like, he's not a. He's probably a 6 foot 4, 220, 230 something pounds. Probably kind of a guy put together pretty well. You know, the underwear Olympics, I don't know if y' all know this, the underwear Olympics is coming up soon in Indianapolis. So all these guys will be in their underwear, you know, running, running 40s and doing all that stuff, which, you know, has nothing to do with football whatsoever, but always tends to change people's minds. And Jacob Rodriguez is a guy that gets your minds changed on usually, right? Like, oh, he ran a four, whatever, four, eight, five. Like, man, can he play four, seven, five. And then you turn on the tape and I love, you know, our man said it, Matt said it last week. Draft. Good football players. Like, good football player, knows how to play like, not surprising. Now, one guy that I think is very, very interesting, and I wonder how people have takes on him and what they are. But Diego Pavia, obviously, no one benefited from nil more than a guy like Diego Pavia, like, much deserved. You got to love it that. That a guy can be undersized and not have all the measurement. Now, listen, he's listed at 6 foot on the website. We talked about it all year long. He's 5, 9 in heels. Like, I don't know that he'll measure 5, 9. He's going to be in a category immediately of guys that are too short to play the position. And. And here's the thing we talked about a little bit this last week with Matt. Like, if you're smaller, you better have a superpower. And your superpower has to be, like, elite of elite. Like, there has to be something that's overpowering on a supremely elite level. Drew Brees, small guy, accuracy. Like, superpower was accuracy. We don't go to many small guys and say that they have a superpower. Kyler Murray, who's tiny, he's got a superpower, right? Like, can fly. Kyler Murray doesn't see it, can't read it. Like, listen, I know he'll go. He'll go somewhere this offseason, but he's not going to be. He has limitations in the pocket. Like, he can't see over his lineman. It's a problem. Diego Pavia can't. There's no way he'll be able to see over his lineman. I know Diego Pavio is going to bet on Diego Pavia, and that's what. What he's going to do. But I don't think. I'm not betting on Diego Pavia. Like, I'm not. He's. He's short. You better be really fast. You better be stupid, stupid accurate. You better have some form. His. His superpower is toughness and competitiveness and swagger, and you can absolutely have that at the college level. When you get to the NFL, you got to have more than that. You got to have some kind of elite. Elite trait. Like, Baker Mayfield is really good at making people miss, has really good accuracy, can make off platform throws. Now, Baker Mayfield, it took some time for him to find his footing, right? And he was the number one overall pick. But, you know, Pavia's measurables will continue to be, you know, something that we watch along with everybody else's is measurables. Brent, I know you're a draft nerd, but, like, there's not very many short quarterbacks, Brent, that that can go play in the NFL. It's just. It's not a high clip and you better have something sensational to you. Do you think Pavia's got that?

Brent (42:41)

No. But I do think he has a unique. Potentially or a function on a team as some as a third QB that you know we have a package for in the red zone or short yardage. Do some unique things maybe. Who knows. Not necessarily Taysom Hill because Taysom Hill is a big time athlete but that type of plays and things like that. Got some quick thought. Quick stuff to end if you, if you want to roll through this quick thing with the College Football Playoff stuff. Group of. I don't know if you saw this but the group of five spot or group of six now it doesn't have to be a champion.

David Holland (43:17)

I'm about to say group of six, which is crazy now but yeah but.

Brent (43:20)

It doesn't have to be a conference champion. It's just the highest ranked one which I thought And Chris Vanini who works for the Athletic kind of tweeted that out like hey look, this is an underlying thing that people don't really know about that actually changed because all these things happened in 2024. Not.

David Holland (43:33)

Not you know, if they did that in the acc, Miami would have been in and you would.

Brent (43:39)

They're gonna fix their tiebreaker.

David Holland (43:40)

Yeah, I mean like. But that's like we complicate the piss out of this stuff a lot of times. And I'm like what? Like you don't have to complicate it that much. Like the highest ranked team. It's a heck of an idea. It's. It's the best team usually like yes, that's good but.

Brent (43:56)

Or it's not far from consensus that.

David Holland (43:57)

It'S the best group of six out of there and they're.

Brent (44:00)

I mean we've said that forever.

David Holland (44:01)

I'd be even happier.

Brent (44:02)

Next step for me though, the buy teams have to get home games. I think that has to be a fix with and then you can some and find a ways to make the game sooner because there's just too much evidence now even when the teams are you know sometimes the favorite still wins when they're the higher seed. But too much evidence that that buy is outside of Indiana threw everybody off.

David Holland (44:25)

One in seven by teams are one in seven in the College Football Playoff in the last two years. That. That's a. That's a big number, bro. Like that's not like that's. There's. There's there's small number and some variables, and then there's a trend, and then there's like, all right, dude, this is. This is hard data. So you've seen it. Now, the last couple, the only one to. To win, obviously, has been Indiana. And Indiana played in the championship game, at least, which gave them an opportunity to play a week later than several other teams that were not playing.

Brent (44:56)

A lot of this hinges especially the games getting sooner on Army Navy and that game specifically. So I have an idea for that. Like, I've heard some people talk about moving it to the beginning of the season. No, you. No, you don't do that. But how about this as an idea for when Army Navy should be played? Because it needs to be, to me, a standalone game. It should always be a standalone game, but it shouldn't be a standalone game on a Saturday when you could be playing playoff games. I'm sorry. Unless you're going to play it there. But my idea for it, 11am on Black Friday, Army Navy, every year, that game, standalone game, no other games, because we've been playing games at that time frame.

David Holland (45:34)

What if they want to go shopping on Black Friday? That's rude.

Brent (45:37)

Well, nobody does that anymore, remember? I take that back. I forgot you still do that because you still go to malls. Because you guys didn't listen the other day, he referenced going to the mall.

David Holland (45:47)

So. So I'm gonna tell you this story. Y' all will love this. So I'm going to tell you this story. My wife goes shopping, Black Friday. This is when I was in Ohio. So this is gal. This is 0506.

Brent (45:57)

Yeah.

David Holland (45:58)

After I got drafted, Bevid all went shopping. I got up, I let the dogs out. I walk outside. I got my phone. I'm in my boxers. I got my own house, right? No big deal. It's snowing, obviously, in Ohio. It's freezing cold. Stand aside, dump the food in the bowls. Bam. You know, go to walk back in, and the door's locked. And I'm like, what the crap? Like, no way. Shook it again, shook it again. Checked all my doors, checked all my windows. I'm in my boxers. Like, literally. Thank God it wasn't whitey tighties in my boxers. It's three degrees outside.

Brent (46:36)

Birthday suit.

David Holland (46:37)

Oh, man. I'm like, baby doll. I called baby doll. I'm like, baby Doll, you got to come get me. And she was like, I just got here. Like, no, I can't come get you. I'm like, babe, I can't go to the neighbors. Like, I'm Naked. Like, I'm naked. I ain't got nothing on. Like. So I literally went, Halo. No, I wasn't in the halo.

Brent (46:56)

Okay.

David Holland (46:57)

But ruined Black Friday for baby doll and shopping. Really, really poor job by me. But it was. It was cold. It was cold. By the time she got back, I was frozen. Like, absolutely frozen on so many levels. We're not going to do cold outside, right? So cold outside.

Brent (47:17)

All right, so quick things. Arthur Smith as.

David Holland (47:21)

Yeah.

Brent (47:21)

OC And Gary Patterson as USC defensive coordinator. Which one do you think makes bigger impact or which one of those you like the best, bro?

David Holland (47:29)

Gary Peterson. Gary Patterson is an absolute stud. Like, this is so Gary Patterson. There's. There's a lot of people that have done it certain ways. I don't know anybody that ever did it Gary Patterson's way. And when I say that Gary Patterson had wristbands for everybody on the defense. And Gary Patterson was so good at formations and being able to adjust and stunts predicated on different formations. And they just, they were not a, like, lineup and play defensive a kind of a deal. And I think it's good for him to be a ball coach. Like, I love the fact that he gets to be a ball coach, and I think he'll do absolutely. I think he'll do really, really well. The game has changed, obviously, a little bit. Looking forward to seeing him put his spin on it. Arthur Smith, obviously, he lives in the 12 personnel world. Ohio State did a bunch of 12 personnel. But to see him with superior talent, I think it's hard to screw up the Ohio State job. Like, it's just hard. Like, you're. It's literally going to be measured when you get in the playoffs, in the championship. But, like, if I, if I'm going to call plays, you know what I want? I want great receivers every single year and great quarterbacks and great players. And my God, like, the list goes on and on at Ohio State. So both those guys, a lot of experience at the position done there. Done it for a long time and at a high level. So now obviously the NFL to the NFL. Arthur Smith makes sense. Look at your defensive coordinator. Like, no, no, no, he can't do. He's. He hadn't been in college in forever. Matt Patricia can't call plays. Really hold my beer. Like, because, again, the college game is more like the NFL every year now. It's. It's more and more like professional sports. Yes. Like, I think it's. I'm not worried about either one of those hires at all.

Brent (49:11)

All right, so which, which is crazier that Bill Belichick is coaching UNC, dating a 20 something and competitive adult cheerleaders, or that he actually got snubbed as a first ballot hall of fame coach.

David Holland (49:24)

I get the, I get the past. I get what Belichick's done. And deflate gate and, and filming gate, whatever they call that. What do they call that again?

Brent (49:34)

Spygate.

David Holland (49:35)

Spygate. Like, I get it. He skirted the rules, he's cheated, he's abrasive, he's a little bit prickly. Some might take the lee off of that. But. But he's, he's still done it at a high level and won six Super Bowls. And if he's not at first ballot hall of Famer, like, I don't know what is. Like, I don't, I don't know how he's not a fir. And that's a big deal, by the way. Like first ballot, it's that there's, there's hall of Fame and then there's first ballot hall of Famer who's like a lead of elite. Like this is the top of the top, which, you know, special, special groom. Getting in. Getting in is getting in. But there's no world whatsoever that, that he's not in the. He's not a first ballot hall of famer. Crazy.

Brent (50:20)

I heard, I heard Colin Cowherd given some reasons today as to why he didn't think that was the case or why, why you think may of that happened. And he brought up that Belichick only has a 44 winning percentage without Tom Brady.

David Holland (50:32)

Congrats.

Brent (50:33)

Last but not least, Wes has a nice little video that we need to look at. And then I have a question related to the video. Oh, so this is a young man who shares your last name.

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Brent (50:49)

A little windmill, like through the legs, oop, to himself, dunk out in the gym. Was quite happy about it. I mean, I see you tweeting about the fact that you are admitting that he's more athletic than you. I want to get to the truth. I don't think you actually think that. Do you truly think Nicholas is more athletic than you? Because I, I want to call. What's the kid say? Cap.

David Holland (51:16)

Cap.

Brent (51:16)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm calling you out here. I don't, I don't think you believe that in one bit at all.

David Holland (51:22)

Okay, if you define athleticism now by who can jump higher, who can run faster. I think he's more athletic now. Listen, I'm saying right now, like I'm 43, so like he's finally caught me at 17. But yes, I think.

Brent (51:40)

I don't know. I thought you may have just been saying that to be nice to your son and make him feel good, that you really don't truly believe it.

David Holland (51:49)

I mean, I don't want to believe it, but. But I think all good things come to an end. Brent. I think my. Listen, he'll still get that. Aha. Whipped. Like, if he wants to put his hands on me, he's still going to get that work. Let's be clear.

Brent (52:01)

It's a different level.

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David Holland (52:02)

But. But the athleticism, I mean, God, that did. I mean, were you not shocked to see that, like, between the legs?

Brent (52:10)

Like, that's a different level. Like, I just looked at his head. That was the only thing I was looking at. It was so close to the rim, right? The head. Where his head was.

David Holland (52:18)

Yeah, it was. It was impressive. Needless to say. Nicholas Pollock. I told him. I said, buddy, I said. Because his coach, his high school told coach, told him, you should put that on the Internet. Like, you need to. You need to put that on social media. Nichols. Like, I don't know. I don't like that. I have, like, three posts ever in my life, and he put it on there. And he's. He's got some good responses from college coaches about, like, holy cow, that was pretty good.

Brent (52:42)

Well, kind of tell him, you got to play the game. That's the game. Yeah.

David Holland (52:46)

You got to do it.

Brent (52:47)

Unfortunately, that's the game.

David Holland (52:48)

It is a part of it. Here's the thing. Here's our game at C. Ball, get ball. Here's our goal. And we're going to check them off as we go along. We're going to get every new coach in college football. So Morgan Scally's coming, Pat Fitzgerald. So, like, there's. There's obviously Utah's new coach, Michigan State's new coach. We're going to get. We're going to. We're going to. We're going to go through the gamut. We're going to try to get every single coach this offseason. And I think it's going to be cool because I think you're going to like the way we do the interviews. It's going to be like, let's find out who this person is, where they came from, who their influences are, and so tune in to see ballgitball. Man, I think it'll be really cool to kind of take you through all the new coaches and new spots and kind of what makes them tick, how they lead what their sayings are and just a little bit about them. So I think it'll be a fun walk down memory lane, get to know these different guys in these new spots.

Brent (53:41)

So does Alex Golesch. Is he already checked? Since he's already been on the show.

David Holland (53:46)

I feel like he counts. But. But I feel like we'll do him again and we'll.

Brent (53:49)

Just.

David Holland (53:49)

Me and you will go to Auburn. Like, let's go spend some time with Auburn and watch their practice for.

Brent (53:53)

I may or may not have been looking at spring practice dates.

David Holland (53:56)

Yes, those. Those will be good. And if you heard my Byron Brown comment that I said on the last show, I don't know that you heard that, but I was like, did you.

Brent (54:08)

Put him in that top five list.

David Holland (54:09)

That I was talking about?

Brent (54:11)

So I've returning QB in college football.

David Holland (54:13)

So, Brent, I did a list and I. No, we did this list on Monday, right? When did we do this list? Monday, right?

Brent (54:21)

We recorded on Friday, but yes, Monday, yes.

David Holland (54:23)

So we would put out the list because I was at the beach, baby. We put out this list, but I mentioned Byron Brown with. In the name. In the name of Cam Newton, like, so that gives Auburn fans. That should give you enough, like, fodder, like the dudes. There was one guy in college football that went 3,000 passing, 1,000 rushing, and it was him. Like, he's an unbelievable fit. So again, you can go back and watch that. Maybe we'll talk. We'll go. We'll go watch him in person, you know, this spring.

Brent (54:48)

Confirm. Confirm your hypothesis.

David Holland (54:50)

Yeah, we'll see if that works out. But appreciate y' all guys joining us. We'll continue to be here, you know, at least a couple days a week. Get you some coaches. This is what we do, man. It's such a. The best sport on the planet. So much going on. They'll continue to be. So much going on. And we'll keep you posted here. C ball, get ball. Thank you so much. Like, rate, subscribe, do all that follow fun stuff that helps us to continue to grow and get bigger. So we appreciate y'.

Brent (55:15)

All. Peace.