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Who Should LSU Hire to Replace Brian Kelly? Heisman Top 5 | CFP Top 12 If It Started Today
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Who Should LSU Hire to Replace Brian Kelly? Heisman Top 5 | CFP Top 12 If It Started Today 0:00 LSU Head Coach / Brian Kelly Decision 6:03 Top 5 Heisman Contenders 17:02 If CFP Started Today 26:02 Eliminated from CFP 28:08 Numbers to Know for CFB Week 10: LaNorris Sellers 30:22 Oklahoma-Tennessee 31:56 Georgia Tech-NC State 32:56 Pitt-Stanford 35:02 Cincinnati-Utah 36:24 USC-Nebraska 41:21 Georgia-Florida 44:06 Vanderbilt-Texas 49:17 Who Won the Weekend?
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And how about that Polack interception in the end zone? Well, it's David Pollack and I think people are going to learn what kind of ballplayer he is. He's got a heart of a lion. I'm really proud of that kid.
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This is C Ball. Get Ball. College football's top show for football analysis, predictions and coach interviews. Now here's your host, three time All American, seven time Emmy award winner.
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All right, so Brian Kelly is next on the list. Man, this is, this is crazy. To the start of the football season. When you, when you look at, we've already talked about the job openings, but like think about some of the schools that are open. Like we saw Florida obviously open with Billy Napier, you saw Penn State open. This is the most firings before November in the history of college football. The buyouts and the money that's being thrown around is absolutely nuts. And so I just, I don't want to hear about money and teams not having money. So the LSU job, to me, this job goes right to the top of the list. And like, it's not a rebuild at lsu. And the expectation, now listen, I think that comes with good and that comes with bad. Because the expectation at LSU when you get hired is just like when Brian Kelly got hired. The last three coaches won national championships. Like Ed Orgeron did that, Les Miles did that, Nick Saban did that. The state of Louisiana, the pride, the high school football. Now that world has changed, obviously, but this is not a good job. This is a great job. And, and, but you have to be great. And you can't just be an average coach. You can't be somewhat good. If you don't win championships, your tenure will be a failure. And Kelly, most, what he's going to be known for is when you look at Brian Kelly is weirdness, right? Like it just, it was a weird fit. Now listen, if you win, the fit works. If you win, it doesn't matter. Les Miles won. He was chewing grass and it was okay, right? Like that was fine. But you have to, you have to win consistently. You have to win at a big time level. Brian Kelly and the coordinators I think was something that really went wrong. Like Mike Denbrock was there, who's an elite OC who left and obviously went back to Notre Dame after a little while. Being with Brian Kelly like, no, Bob Diaco went to be a head coach who was there with him for a long time. Like one of Brian's. Brian Kelly's secret sauce over the years was having great coordinators a la the team that just beat him like senseless. Mike Elko, former D.C. right. And then, okay, how about the guy the week before? Clark Lee, the Vanderbilt head coach, Another former Brian Kelly assistant. So he's always been really, really good at that. How about Tony Moffat, who got fired from LSU from, by Brian Kelly, longtime strength coach who won three national championships. He went to A and M. So the staff hires, when he came in, the way it was handled, the, the, the, the Southern accent, the, the recruiting pictures, like all of it, man, it's just, it's, it's, it just didn't fit. It didn't work. Now if he'd have won again, everybody would have forgotten all of that and it wouldn't have mattered. But Brian Kelly is a good football coach. He always has been. I think the misses in the, in the assistant coaches is what ultimately got him fired. Finally get the defense working a little bit. The timing didn't work well because you had Jaden Daniels at superstar level, offense at a superstar level, then you had Nuss doing it and like it just didn't fit together at any point in time with the history. And Brian Kelly's personality didn't fit. Like older, from up north, not a Cajun type of guy. So let's now spin it to who's next? And I think, I don't know. Lane Kiffin. I think it's going to be very hard to say no to this job. Like, I know Lane's happy and I said I didn't think he would leave for Florida because he's happy. He's got everything he wants. Now this is a different animal like this. This is a tailor made job with Swag. You've got to have dudes with Swag. You got to have an edge about you. Lane Kiffin's got an edge, right? Like, Lane Kiffin knows how to coach offense. Lane Kiffin has adapted to this new school model exceptionally well. Lane Kiffin's winning at a high level. I think it's going to be really hard for Lane to say no to lsu and I would make it abundantly clear and I would make it harder for him to say no. I would throw a lot of zeros in his direction and I'm going to make Lane say no. I'm absolutely going to make him say no. And I think once you get past that point, I think it gets interesting because we're going to go for the names now or we're going to go for the guys that have connections. And Joe Brady's a guy that has connections. You remember that offense, right? Like the offense that just scored again, that never got stopped with. With Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson that won a national championship? Well, he was the architect. He was the guy. He's went to the NFL. He's with the Buffalo Bills now as an oc. He's got that. He's got that LSU swag to him, to an offensive coach that knows how to draw up football plays, obviously, at a really elite level, a high level. He's another guy that I think is going to be mentioned, you know, right off the rip. And then John Summerall, obviously, it's not a far move, right, like moving down the road from Tulane. And he's won at a high clip at Troy. Tulane, I think he's 38 and 10 as a coach. Like, got some. Got some. Got some confidence to him. Got some. Some stuff to him, which I think. I think that's another thing, too. I think Cajuns want a little bit of that something to you. Louisianans want a little that something to you. They. They've got the passion, they've got the energy. They love their squad. They need somebody that they can rally behind. So those are three names, you know, to consider with this job. But it's a good job. It's a great job. And this job moves from, you know, right now, as soon as they open, it moves from the bottom of the list to the top because coaches are going to love the opportunity to cook. It's not. It's not a good job. It's a great job. You don't go there to. To win. You go there to win national championships. So some pressure will also come with it. All right, everybody, welcome back in to Seaball Get Ball Week 10. This is the part of the season where we deem appropriate to start talking about the Heisman Trophy candidates. I think that's. It's a perfect time of year because we're getting towards the end, obviously, closer and closer to the playoff. We're going to do our top 12 because we do it every week. We're going to do victory formation like we do every week. Playoff eliminator as well, like we do every week. So let's start with the Heisman Trophy conversation, because I think this is fascinating. Much like we've talked about, there's a ton of teams that could still win it and a ton of teams that are still in it. I think there's a ton of contenders for the Heisman Trophy that are still very much in it. Now, the list outside of Quarterback if you're going to find it. I don't know that that exists. That that's an interesting conversation for me. Jeremiah Love might be a guy you throw in there, but if you look at receivers, you look at quarterbacks like or non quarterbacks, receivers, running backs like there's not a lot of guys to point to with six silly stats and you have to have six silly stats to be in that conversation and not be a quarterback. But we're going to start with five and then we'll have a discussion too with Brent as well. Like to, to talk about some of the other guys. If I was doing the Heisman Trophy today, right now, here's where I'm going. I'm going. Number five, Marcel Reed. He's got almost 2,000 yards passing, 17 touchdowns, six interceptions. He's kicked in 350 on the ground and six more touchdowns and he just had his most impressive performance where he went up and down the field and did everything he wanted to do against lsu. So I think the floor is there. The ceiling could be much higher for Marcel Reed. Number four, Haynes King. Mr. Do It All Y yeah, like unbelievable job again throwing the ball exceptionally well. He was like 81% last week. Numbers are not near as high. Passing, he's only got 1480 yards passing, seven touchdowns, only one interception. His team's undefeated, which is going to matter. But 651 on the ground and 12 more touchdowns, those count like those have to be in the conversation. So Haynes King is at 4, number 3. This might be a bit as a surprise for some people. Trinidad Shambliss, like Little man has been a baller out of no, I say Little man out of nowhere at a Ferris State. Nobody talked about him, didn't start the first two games which has to come into the equation still. 1864 yards passing, nine touchdowns, one interception. 376 rush with five more touchdowns again in just six starts. So Trinidad been playing well. Just had a good win at Oklahoma. Number two, Fernando Mendoza, 1923 yards passing, 24 tutties, three interceptions. Kicked in almost 200 on the ground with three touchdowns as well, throwing Indiana to an undefeated season. A number one ranking. Number two ranking, ranking wherever you have them. We'll see in a second on seatball. Get ball. And number one, Ty Simpson. I got him at the numero uno spot. 20 touchdowns, one interception, almost 2,200 yards passing thrown in, you know, another 80 rushing with a couple of touchdowns. But seen him do it consistently against really, really good competition week in and week out. Didn't have his fastball this week. Still made the plays down the stretch to be really, really good. So that is my top five. Brett Rollins, get your butt in here. Because I've got so many more people that I want to talk about and I want to discuss this with. But like the top five, who would you have maybe in there or who would you have out or did you kind of like it?
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I actually don't see anything wrong with it. Wow.
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That. That's the first. If you've been listening to C ball. Get ball. Because Brent is Mr. Analytical. PFF numbers. He's got all the. That big brain of his up there. It really, really works. So that's. That's surprising.
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Well, it's also because in terms of impact, the five guys that you listed have had basically the biggest individual impact because you said non quarterbacks Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate, like, they have the biggest potential, biggest impact on the game, but their stats and like, they kind of cannibalize each other in a way. Julian saying is obviously the beneficiary of that there. So. But.
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And Jeremiah Smith, like, gosh dang, both of them. And that. That's the thing. Ohio State fans don't get upset. Like, I have Julian saying just outside, I have him at 6. But again, Tate's numbers are so good. Smith gets so much attention, you know that a lot of those will get split on how they decide. He's still got 1900 yards, 18 touchdowns, three interceptions. He's been great. But like. And here's the thing about moving forward with all of these guys. Where are the Heisman moments? And that's what wins Heisman trophies, like, down the stretch. Who's going to play in these big games? Like a guy, another guy I got on the list off to the side, Dante Moore. Is he going to have another opportunity? Like, he's got 1772 yards, 19 touchdowns, four interceptions. He's kicked in 131 on the ground. He's been really, really good. When's his next opportunity? Maybe against Washington, who's ranked at the end of the season.
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I would actually argue that based on the list that you have put up there, he has the most opportunities and the. Because they've got USC and Washington to finish.
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Yep.
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And those games might be. And even at Iowa is going to be, I think, a tough game for Oregon because I was going to be coming off a buy. But like, I think there's a lot of opportunity for Dante Moore to put himself in there, especially if he goes and wins those Two games late in the season.
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Well, here's here. So here's one thing too. Now let's talk to all the fans because making this list, putting this together, I think a lot of people immediately put Diego Pavia towards the top. I have no problem with it. It's your list if you want to put him towards the top. Diego Pav. Pavia is a stud. He's a star. He's carrying Vanderbilt. But I think that one thing to pay attention to, just like last week, he barely had over 100 yards passing, zero touchdowns. He hasn't thrown for over 200 yards in an SEC game. They're winning that. That's all that matters. He's a big reason. His mindset and the way he has brought belief and the chip on his shoulder to that team you could say is better than all the stats and probably a majority of the reason why they're there. Pavia still has more opportunities up ahead to splash, to sizzle, to get people in there. He's got 1700 yards passing. He's got 15 touchdowns, five interceptions. He, he's kicked in another 450 on the ground, five rushing touchdowns. So he's very much in this mix. So Vanderbilt fans don't get upset. He's in the conversation. He should be in the conversation. Here's a couple other guys I got in the conversation. Like how about Gunner Stockton? I got Gunner Stockton in this conversation for a couple reasons. Now his stats don't do as much justice, especially throwing the football. He's got 1553 yards. He's got 10 touchdowns. He's got one interception, but he's got almost 300 on the ground and he's got seven touchdowns that you kick into there. So he's kind of in. This is, I kind of equate him to Haynes King, but Haynes King's better. Like he does it at a higher level on the ground, at a higher level passing right now. So like I, I, and, and, and I would argue and this is, this is, this is my, this is my take. I don't think Haynes King has around him what Gunner Stockton has around him. No, I don't think he has the talent. So I think Haynes King stirs that drink. Here's another thing too. Let's talk about people on this list that has had Heisman moments. I feel like Ty Simpson has had a bunch of moments. Man, if you've been watching, he's, that's why he's number one for me. Mendoza, he's had, he's had some moments man at Oregon was, it was a big moment to go succeed to go throw his way there. Trinidad Shambliss just went on the road at Oklahoma against the number one defense in the country statistically and had a field day and out matered Mater right like that. To me that matters. Haynes, King, you know, doing what he's done now he hasn't done it against elite competition yet but here's what I see down the road. He's got Georgia down the road. He's got a possible ACC championship game. Like he's got some opportunities. Marcel Reed obviously coming off of that opportunity like Gunner, Stockton, Tennessee game that was a moment like against Ole Miss scoring every single possession when your team needed it. Those are moments that matter to me. Like that that's what I'm interested to see. Like it's who's going to be on this list. You know, people look at the stats, people are going to care about that and people are going to wait till championship weekend. And if it's championship weekend, who's playing at that time I think will go a long way in deciding who wins the Heisman Trophy.
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Yeah, the, the game, the clean old fashioned hate game. Georgia and Georgia Tech, that might be whoever statistically, you know, better, plays better and wins that game. That might be a seat at the table kind of game.
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Starting defense, place at the table. If you don't know that reference, you can't tell me you grew up like a die hard football fan.
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No, I agree. Back to Pavia though. He hasn't played his best in the biggest games. No, we talked about he made a few plays against Missouri but it was mainly the defense that, that carried the day and the big running play he would didn't play, you know, had turnovers in the red zone against Alabama. So he's got at Texas this week he's got, you know, Tennessee late in the season. The only name that I wrote down, there's actually two names that I wrote down in terms of that are off the radar that could kind of pop up here on the radar because of opportunity are Joey Aguilar at Tennessee because they've got Oklahoma this week, they've got Bandy and you know they went out, they're a playoff team I think. And then Demon Williams Jr. From Washington because it like the numbers he put up this past weekend were unbelievably ridiculous. And he's put up, he's done it.
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All year except for the Michigan game.
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Right. And if he and Ohio State and like. But if he has a big numbers run and then has a big time moment late against Oregon, that kind of thing, that's maybe that gets you into that sort of finalist position. I don't, I think if you had this, if I had to pick a winner, it would be from the top five that you've listed currently, would you.
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Have Ty Simpson number one?
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I mean, I. Tomato, tomato. That's fine. I think for now. That's fine with me. I'm not, I, I always like more and more, see more and more, but I think I don't see anything wrong with putting him at number one at this point.
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I don't, I don't see how you don't have Ty Simpson number one. I think we could argue all of the rest, but like what you've seen Ty Simpson do with those four ranked opponents in a row and the way you've seen him execute in critical junctures, like doing it, running it, doing it, throwing it, doing as the leader of the team going into Athens and ending that 33 game win streak. Like, I don't know what else you need to see from, from Ty Simpson.
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To me and Mendoza, those two, he's.
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The clear front runner.
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They have that big road win.
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Yeah.
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Sort of moment along with the stats part of it. So next you can kind of probably get to your top 12 because just. Can I before you get to the top 12? I honestly thought all along we were just doing rankings because when we talked last week about this, I was like, why not BYU over Georgia Tech as opposed to like doing it in a bracket. Another, another, another admission here. I actually, I actually have you on mute on Twitter. So I don't see your opinions, thoughts, things like that. No, because it's. Because I want to come in here not knowing exactly what you're going to say and all that sort of stuff. So I didn't really realize it was put up there as a bracket. In a way. This is the bracket. We got to have a Big 12 team.
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Yeah, we're going to do that. Yes. We completely screwed that one up last week. So. So we do the top 12 every single week and obviously it's continuing to change. But like we kind of want to take this the way November 4th will take it because that's when the first rankings I think come out and it's like, what are they going to have? And then we want to watch like the next several weeks because now we're stacking weeks upon weeks upon weeks. So you can kind of see the thought process of how we slide up, how we slide down and I think that's this week right here. Like you're going to get an example of that. But Indiana still here at Seaball get ball is the number one team in the country. Another dominating performance. Offense, defense, special teams continue to take care of business doing what they want. They've got a quarterback obviously that's more than capable of doing everything in the big moment. Love what you're seeing from everything about Indiana. Hard not to argue them at one. Ohio State, they were flawless this week. Zero mistakes. The first perfect game you've seen from them all season. Kidding. They had a buy. Obviously they didn't get to play. So, you know, I State continues to be the number two team in the country. Again, Ohio State fans, don't be upset. You're number one in the polls that matter. This is just C ball. Get ball. And again, if you told me to put all of my life savings and put it on the team, it would be Ohio State. But you know what's really, really cool is we get to see Ohio State and Indiana probably at the end of the season for the Big ten championship game, which would be awesome. Number three still Texas A and M. Here's what I want to say to everyone in America. Texas A and M just put everybody in the country on notice, like number one and number two team. We're like, oh, they're the best teams in the country. A while back we put Oregon. That conversation, A and M's in that conversation. When A and M clicks like that offensively with the speed that they have with the dude they have at quarterback, all the offenses in this country can be very dangerous. That's the most dangerous offense in college football because you're snapping it to 4, 4, you're throwing it to 4, 3 and 44 on the outside like you got a bunch of big dudes up front. You can run the rock. Like that is a dangerous combination. When that team starts to click, watch the heck out. And they just took Brian Kelly over their knee and had a fun week and cleared out Death Valley before, before the fourth quarter even started. Like people just leaving for the gate. So obviously a huge win. A and M probably going to be in consideration to get first place votes now for people. Obviously Bama still remains at 4. Didn't play their best against South Carolina. Wonder about Alabama against. What have we talked about with Bama, like the pass, like the, the susceptibility to the pass rush to great pass rushers. You saw it against South Carolina. South Carolina is good at it. And South Carolina pressured him like Crazy. Got to Ty Simpson. Rattled him a little bit. Still took care of business. Georgia was on a buy. Georgia still at the five spot. Miami at the six spot. Didn't play their best game. Still continue to kick butt. Not give up a lot of points on offense or on defense. Excuse me. Defense gives up points on the first drive and then pretty much shoot. Shuts it down. Like absolutely shuts it down. Oregon coming in at the next spot. And that's Oregon at 7. Vandy with a big win. So Vanny now moves up to eight. Vanderbilt was teetering right there. Obviously. Now they move up. I think the biggest deci decision I had to make was where did Vanderbilt go compared with Ole Miss? Like how far does Ole Miss jump up from beating Oklahoma and getting credit in Vanderbilt beating Missouri? Both beat really, really good teams. Vandy did it at home. It was kind of sloppy. The game with Ole Miss, it was a good game. It was a good back and forth game that the fumble late for Oklahoma killed him. But I went Vandy, I went Vandy there. Georgia Tech rambling wreck from Georgia Tech continue to just win and that's, that's all you got to do. And Haynes King continues to get better as a passer. So watch the heck out. Defense playing really, really well. So Georgia Tech in the ninth spot. Byu, I mean Bear Bachmeyer, question mark turns into exclamation point. Like if you watch that game, man, like that was, that was fun to see. BYU got in the position they're not comfortable with and they slung their way out of it. I don't know if Tech could do that right. Like Haynes King doesn't have to do that. It's. It has to be methodical. It's. It's ground and pound. It's. It's possessed the ball. Like if they had to throw consistently, I would Bet Faulkner & Co. Would, would dial up plays and they'd be good. But Bachmyer and company did it against a good Iowa State team, a solid Iowa State team. Ole Miss coming in at 11. If you have them higher, I'm good with that. Like really, really good win. They're not going anywhere with their schedule coming up. Trinidad Chambliss continuing to deliver in, in a big moment, in big ways. Continuing to run, continuing to throw. Lane. Lane Kiffin's defense showed up better than they have. Did a really good job on the road getting a safety, you know, getting some great clutch stops. So you got to be happy if you're Ole Miss and how we started this playoff bracket weeks and weeks Ago, Memphis back in that 12 spot. It was USF. Now Memphis says we took care of that. Like, we just beat them head to head. And obviously USF beat North Texas, who was in the running. So it's kind of. It'll be interesting to watch the 12 spot moving forward. But I think Memphis has a really good case, even been beat up and to still get down in that football game against usf, fight back, claw back and do a really good job. So that's the top 12. Have at it. We do have a team in each one from each conference. We do have a group of five at the 12 spot with Memphis. And remember, that has to happen. Like, whether you like it or not, there has to be a group of five team in the mix. And that's how we've done it every single week and. All right, Brent, did you. Do you have anything with the. I think, I think Ole Miss has a beef. Like, they have a. They have a debate. Ole Miss says, like, can I. Should I move up here for, for beating a really good team that was, that was ranked?
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Yeah, if, if it were, I, I would have put Ole Miss. I would have flipped Ole Miss and Vandy. Like, I think in terms of wins and things that they've done and win at Oklahoma. Vandy, Missouri is Vandy's best win. Now granted, they have a South Carolina win when South Carolina was ranked. They have an LSU win when LSU was ranked. But those South Carolina, 3 and 5.
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We'Re not doing that game. Like, let's look at now like, it's that game. Hey, LSU has a, a beating of Clemson too early in the season. Like, we're not, we're not counting that either.
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So that's, that's why I said I would go with Ole Miss because that's an at Oklahoma win. That's a big time win. Plus they destroyed Tulane, who, you know, you mentioned Memphis. Memphis is actually third in the conference because Tulane and Navy are still undefeated. Now Memphis gets them, gets them at home, at least undefeated in the conference, but Memphis gets them at home here soon. So that's going to kind of work itself out.
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It's not like Ole Miss didn't hang with Georgia. Like they went into Georgia's place and played Georgia tick for tack. It was a great football game. So I think, I think that's a legit beef. I mean, I'd be absolutely fine if you moved, you know, Ole Miss up.
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The other one that I think is sort of underranked still to me and I get some of it as Eye test because they've struggled in non big games. Is Louisville like that? They like if you look at. So outside of Florida State beating Alabama, I think all the wins in the top 10 and all the losses are two other teams in the top 10 and Louisville's got that top 10 win at Miami and plus don't look like the J. The James Madison win is a good win because we knew that James Madison's always good, dude. And then the Pittsburgh win is looking better and better for each week for Louisville. Pittsburgh's on a nice little run here. So like that's one for me that I would like. They're just on the fringe or even right there.
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Correct? Yeah.
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So I think they're, I think they're.
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Definitely on the front. Hey, if you put them in over Memphis, I'd be great. But you can't do that. But you can't do that. Do it in a heartbeat. Like I, I wouldn't be fine with that.
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Probably 12th ranked but not in the top 12 in the playoff bracket. 12.
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Absolutely fine with that. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All right, let's go to the eliminator. I got, I got Illinois. Belema last week was telling us, you know, if we just take care of business, there's no reason why with our two losses that we shouldn't be in the college Football Playoff. Well, that got handled. Washington took care of that. Beat them. Illinois is not going to have anything on their resume that's going to warrant them going to the college football playoffs. So I think unfortunately, Brett Bielema, we love him. Former guest of the show. I think he's. I think the Illinois Illini are out. They're gone. They gone.
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Yeah, that was. We. We had those different playoff teams that we picked. Like, hey, we were kind of set on 9 or 10 that we picked to get as the same, but that was one for me, so. Oh, well. But I will say this Almayer looks like a guy who's going to get drafted in like the fourth or fifth round and go be a backup for two, three years and then find a job as a starter and stay in the league for a while. He just looks like that kind of quarterback.
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If they were better around him, like we talked. I mentioned that the other day. Brent, like if they're better around him, that dude take a back seat to many because he gets hit. They have no run game. He was their run game. And that in the Washington game, like they're not helping him out a lot around him. But that dude consistently stares the barrel down, makes plays like he ain't scared. Gets the ball out. He does. He does a little bit of everything. Who you eliminate, homie.
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As much as they still have a mathematical chance to win out and do things, I'm going to eliminate Missouri.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunately. Now, down to your. Now, like I said, the true freshman Zollers kid, he looked like he wasn't scared. He was fine. You know, wasn't afraid in the pocket. Wasn't a one read and check down kind of kid. But, yeah, you're down your third quarterback and you gotta run a gauntlet. Last four. So, yeah, I think Missouri is going to be. Can they finish nine and three? I. I mean, may. No, maybe I'm not.
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Same reason. Same reason I eliminated LSU after last week, too. I. I don't. I didn't see it. There's no way. Yeah, they're running that table. I'm with you on Missouri. I don't think they're running the table, so I think that's a good one. Unfortunately, Mizzou fans, I think it's. It's coming to an end.
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Yep. Yeah. So that's. That's. That's who we eliminate this week.
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Now we go to the beautiful segment that. Where Brent gets to nerd out with the. With the numbers don't lie and pff. And he's worked there for. For years. And you got the promo code, too. What's the promo code?
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Get ball 25.
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Get ball 25.
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All these numbers. It's amazing. If you really love and really just want to dive into the game and take the time to do it, you can get lost in all the stuff that exists. Like, I was looking.
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Speaking from experience. Yeah. Like, he literally took me through this on the kitchen table one day, and it was like, all right, so watch. You can do this, like, under 2.2 seconds of throwing the football. And so, like, this is how you can get to the first read. I'm like, okay, Brent, my head hurts. Like, I. I can't. I can't do all this. But I'm glad you know how to do every bit of it.
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As a. For example, I was looking at Zach Zachariah Branch and how well he's been doing against man coverage and things like that for. For Georgia. But as. As an aside, one number that's always in there is you can see missed tackles forced. And you mentioned it on the Saturday night show. Hey, I wonder how many missed tackles that Lenore Sellers forced. It was 10.
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I think I said a thousand.
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Minus a couple zeros. It was 10 that he forced against Alabama. But that's the fourth time he's done it in double digits. And that last year when he was like superman against Clemson was 15. So I think it was 15 in.
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The last touchdown run. I think he shrugged off 15 people on that one run. But he's a, he's an absolute super freak. And Lenore Sellers is a good example of like the team invested in him and he is getting well compensated. But like the pieces around him is not. It's, it's hard for him to be very successful and carry the group because it's honestly just. It's not strong enough around him to give him a run game, to give him pass protection for receivers and all the components. But Lenora Sellers, when it comes to a talent standpoint, he doesn't take a backseat talent wise to many people.
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No. And that's like we talked in the off season about, hey, look at all the NFL guys. They lost and all the NFL guys, they were highly drafted. They were on that team a season ago. Turns out when you lose a lot of talent, it's harder to be just as good the next season.
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That's weird.
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It's just shocker. All right, so we do this, we look forward, we look at the games that are upcoming this week. So the first one ranked game, Oklahoma at Tennessee, I think this is, you know, this is a playoff elimination game.
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Yep.
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Whoever loses this game now has three losses. Joey Aguilar against Kentucky and I mentioned him in our Heisman discussion. His first run and when, pff, they do all sorts of reviews. There's a, it's a machine in terms of the process and the like. There's usually like 15 people that look at one game in various portions. His first run passing grade 93.1 would be the highest of the HYPO era. Best single game passing grade of the Hypo era. Because on 20 yards over 20, throws over 20 yards, I mixed that up. Throws over 20 yards, 7 of 7 for 287 yards, 3 touchdowns, 99.9 passing grade, basically perfect.
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Why wasn't he a hundred?
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It just, it never goes to 100.
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It's pull crap, whatever.
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It never goes to 100. But I mean like he was not. He was almost 20 yards of completion in the game. Like some of the stuff they're doing now in the passing game. And now Oklahoma after that loss against Ole Miss has to bounce back and figure out that and go to go to Knoxville.
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That's, hey, Joey Aguilar is another guy that man, like his numbers are Pretty silly. Like if Tennessee puts something together like you said, like he's, he's a guy to look out for because he's definitely got, I mean he's like, you look at the SEC rankings, he's going to be up there in almost all the categories.
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So we talked about the Georgia, Georgia Tech game potentially being a who gets, maybe gets the Heisman seat Last game, this last game, Tennessee, Vandy Pavia versus Aguilar. You might, you might see that one be a who gets the Heisman seat next Georgia Tech at North Carolina State. The ACC is very interesting. Gets smu. Losing kind of changes things a little bit. But Haynes King, fifth highest overall graded quarterback for PFF and actually the only power four quarterback without a turnover worthy pass. So like if he throws the defense, the defense drops it.
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Like this season.
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Yeah, this the whole year. The whole year. Only one without turnover. So like Trinidad, Fernando Mendoza and Julian Saying, Brendan Sorsby in Cincinnati, they have three. So that's like kind of the next tier. But when you think about these games, and I saw there was a big video talking about how less possessions and the clock rules and all that has made is as much an issue with the parody stuff as the actual talent distribution. Turning the ball over is a bad deal. And Haynes King takes care of it as well as anyone.
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He does, he does a good job. All right, how about another ACC team that we need some numbers on? Because Pitt got something brewing over there, don't they? Like they got something going.
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Well, Mason, Mason Heintzhel, he hasn't like from a grading perspective, but since he's taken over four, four game win streak, he's almost at 1200 yards, nine touchdowns. He's added a rushing touchdown. They're averaging like 40 points a game. And have you seen their schedule at the end of the year, the last three games? So they get Stanford this week. So that's why I brought it up. But after this, they get up, they have a buy and then they finish with Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and Miami. In terms of teams that might spoil a lot of playoff hopes.
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Pitt, spoiler alert.
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Is, is, is spoiler alert big time.
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They're going to get one of them. They're going to get one of them.
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Okay, one of the three.
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Pit will get. Pitt will get one of them. Like Pitt is. Yeah, write it down. Pitt, Pitt's, Narduzzi's just finds a way, man. Like listen, they should have beat Louisville. They have, they gave that game away. Like they're, they're not a bad football team. And every year, Narduzzi maximizes what he has. He's. He's a great freaking coach, man. Like, he's a great coach. And just like with Mason, he just finds guys, too. Like, who's that guy? Who's that guy? Like, what the heck? Like, and he puts. He's a football coach, man. He's a fricking football coach.
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That's. I could say that. You know, when you talk about all the coaching issues and, you know, like, Sark, the whole thing about Sark and all these. All these jobs that might open, it's like, you think about the NFL. 32 jobs when all these, you know, seven or eight of them get fired at the end of the year. Every year they go hire this coordinator. They go hire maybe an old guy who was a head coach that was out for a year in college is like, the actual people that you can hire in the list. Like, you're going to a lot of guys maybe, who potentially have never worked as a head coach that might get that. And you got all these guys like Narduzzi that are just a great ball coach. Maybe if they had the resources, maybe Penn State should give him a call. Who knows? All right, Big 12 college game day. Going to the Big 12 this week, I saw Cincinnati's. The Cincinnati Utah matchup. Brandon Sworesby. I know you. I didn't stay up for it, but Utah, what they did to Colorado did.
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I was.
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This weekend.
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It was. It was a. It was a big, bad bully in an alley and with a. With a little tiny cat.
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It was 587 yards to 140 yards in the game. It was 43 zip at half.
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It was ugly.
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And that was without Devin Dampierce, because the true Frost, Bird, Ficklin, 291 yards, three touchdowns. I looked and sort of mathematically, seven teams can still make a Big 12, Big 12 championship game. And that doesn't include Arizona State. No, I didn't include them in it because of the losses that they now have to Houston. Houston, like, the way their schedule is.
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Like, you lost Houston. Your. Your. Your tiebreakers are screwed. You're. You're not good with tiebreakers like tcu.
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Even TCU plays all the teams that are above them. And, you know, they went out. They're. They're Texas A, Kansas State, because one.
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That's why it's the most fun conference to watch every single year. Like, people that don't appreciate the Big 12. You're not watching football. And we've said this the whole year, man. Like, that's just. All the games are fun. They're just. They're cool. There's always a chance that something crazy could happen.
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All right, USC at Nebraska. One of these teams is. Hank is kind of hanging on for dear life. This was actually supposed to be an amazing weekend in the Big Ten. Penn State kind of changed that because I State. Penn State this week is now a matchup of who knows how. How big of a points point differential that one is. But my question for this is because I wanted. I wanted to look at this because pff, if you go to their website, they actually college. They have a power rankings and a lot of it, it's grade based. It's all using all the data to put this in the Big Ten has, you know, in terms of top three to get chance to make the playoffs, obviously Ohio State at 1:98, chance to make the playoff, Indiana 2, and then Oregon 3. Who do you think is the fourth in the PFF power rankings?
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The potential Northwestern squad lost. That sucks.
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Because USC's 23rd. The. You know, in terms of rank and things like that.
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I mean, I would. I would assume usc, but because of that, I'm assuming it's like Nebraska or something.
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So it's not Nebraska, not USC. It is Iowa 34. Chance that the. The PFF power rankings. Now, a lot of that I think is based on run block grade. Like Granowski's not had over 200 yards throwing.
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It's. It doesn't matter. He's also tied for the nation, I think, in like touchdown runs. Like, the dude, Granowski's been good, man. Like in Iowa, I think they scored every possible way last week. Like every single way you could score. Like special teams, offense, defense, running, throwing, like every single bit of it. Like it was. Listen, if you're an Iowa fan, like, this group's been really, really good. Like, Granowski getting hurt cost them a game. Probably like 100%. Did it cost them. They. They would have beat Indiana. And this is a totally different conversation. Like, if Granowski didn't get hurt, I watching that game, I saw them, I thought they would have beat Indiana. Like, I'm just telling you, I thought they would have. He obviously like hyperextended his knee a little bit and then the backup came in and my gosh, you talk about going back to Iowa football. It went right back to Iowa football. So as much as Gronowski can't throw, what he can do in the run game makes that offensive line even better than they are because they're not in Bad situations. They're not having to drop back a lot. They stay out of those crappy situations because they're well coached and they're tough and they're good.
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The. Oregon is the key because Oregon has at Iowa. Not this week, it's next week, but at Iowa and then USC and Washington finish. If Oregon runs the table, I don't know that the Big Ten gets a fourth team in like they did a season ago.
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Yeah, I mean, how would you. Like, like.
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Yeah, I just don't think usc, the USC USA in Washington.
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Yeah, USC and Washington and their. Oregon's going to take obviously you know, the pound of flesh. And then you got USC who lost to Notre Dame. So I mean, they've already got enough losses too. But that loss to Illinois really kills usc, man. And if we were taking everything to account, like I. They were missing a bunch of guys, they didn't even miss him like I do. That mattered. Like it mattered in the football game. Like, I hope they take into account some of that stuff, but just take it in your own hands. Like. And Lincoln Riley and company have had a great season. They're recruiting well. Like, my Ava's been fun to watch. Dude, he's a. He's a. He's such a strange bird to watch because it. The gate looks strange, doesn't it? Like, it looks. It's like. It's like Mr. Controlled.
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Nonchalant's a bad word. Nonchalant is a bad word, but it's kind of seems that way.
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It's so controlled and smooth that it never. He's never in a hurry, but then he makes a throw and you're like, oh, that was. That was kind of sweet. And obviously the injuries in the backfield, the stomach bugs and the injuries on the offensive line, like I just. It what could have been for USC probably for this season. They're probably going to be, you know, on the outside looking, but they're not out of it by any stretch. They've. They've got Oregon. Oregon didn't play great last week. I'm interested to see them continue to play because 21 to 7 against Wisconsin.
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There was also massive like weather. I think that was issues in that game.
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But still Wisconsin is also a bad football team. Yeah, really.
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This is an elimination game though. And whoever in Nebraska, if they want to hang around potentially, they got to be there. But also is it me or since the whole Penn State thing has happened and Matt rules name gets mentioned and all that, that they've just kind of not played well because they Minnesota just destroyed them and then they've barely like they survived. Northwestern, I think is.
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Is the key. Some special teams plays was big for them. Turnovers by Northwestern, but yeah, it was definitely not pretty by any. Here's the thing with Nebraska. They can't block, man. I mean, no matter. It doesn't, it doesn't matter what it boils down to. They've got some decent receivers, their quarterbacks playing. All right, Emmett Johnson's a good running back. They can't block up front, man. Like, they're not, they're not good enough up front to continue to win games consistently.
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Cocktail party. Georgia, Florida, Jacksonville. I love this is the last year that it's in that it's like a couple years break. I think next year is in Atlanta, if I'm, if I'm not mistaken because of the stadium renovations. But the thing about, I mean, there's so many unknowns in this game with obviously Florida firing their coach and you've got a potential. Who was the play caller? It wasn't like he was just head coach. CEO. Guy hits the play caller. So that, that changes. That's a lot of unknown there. And then you think about this game last year before D.J. lagway got hurt. Florida was up 10, 3 with the ball five minutes ago in the second quarter. Now they somehow even had it. It was a 2020 game of the fourth quarter. But historically, this game is just a kind of unknown. So I just wanted to ask you though, biggest positive memory for you in this rivalry?
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There's not many. Just my senior year because we lost the three years before that. Just this, the senior year, just taking care of business and winning was straight jubilation because the building for that rivalry every week with Coach Rick and company, like the booty holes were so tight, it was ridiculous. Like it was the rivalry. Spurrier was taking shots at everybody. And it just, it wasn't, it wasn't good. There wasn't a lot to. But it's so cool, man, because the stadium being half one color, half the other, the field's always loud. There's so many things that go into it. And, and this year in particular, if I'm Georgia, I'm very grateful I had two weeks because I can look at all these different play callers and these different guys that are making decisions now for Florida and watch some of their backgrounds, study some of their tape because you, you, you want to know what they do. And on a short week that's kind of hard to find. So what have they done in the past at their different stops when so and so was calling plays and so and so was calling plays. And I think it helps you kind of get ready. And then at Georgia, I'm interested to watch their defense because I would have used the two weeks to get to. To start to become more creative. Like I, I just think they have to. And it's a new era with them and just to get stops and to do things that maybe a little bit differently and find new ways to tweak things and new formations or new, new substitutions, new guys, new everything you can like, because they're looking for a combination that works. Because so far, defensively, obviously it's been a disappointment to their standards.
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Past years it was first down, first and second down, really that killed them, that teams got explosives on. This year they can't get off the field on third down defensively. But I think overall it's. It's maybe not as bad as it is or as you think it might be. It's not, you know, that kind of thing. But yes, finding ways and finding what you do well and finding who does that, those simple things. Well, yeah, that's, that's what you do in the bye week. A lot of self assessment. And then we got the rank game. We got Pavia versus maybe the backup, I don't know. We got Arch Manning who got hurt there.
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He didn't look good. He walked off the field like a boxer that had been TKO'd and got up and was wobbly legged. I mean, I, I don't say that like joyfully. I'm just saying he looked like a guy that. He really, really struggled. He played good though. I mean, he played. He got him back in the football game obviously with 24 unanswered points. And he did, he did a good job. And the offense kind of came alive and Wingo was like, hey, Wingo, there he is. That guy's good. The run game, you know, got a little balance. They protected him and the defense kept getting stop after stop after stop.
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Late.
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Like it looked like it took a little while to adjust to not having Taft. Like, like they've had him in the back end the whole time. He's. He's an all American for a reason, superstar. They got diced up and then it was like, all right, let's settle down a little bit. They got settled and got some stops and you know, they did what they needed to do. Obviously it was ugly though.
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That was his best true road game that he's had in terms of at least PFF. Grading was 78.9 overall, first run grade. And then thinking to Missouri, you mentioned with Pavia, and we talked about how he kind of hasn't really played his best in these bigger games. Missouri's defense actually did a really good job on him and keeping him in the pocket in any time he was, you know, escaping the pocket. Their speed, their defensive line speed was right there. And now you play a team with a whole lot of speed on defense. And Anthony Hill just had a game where he had nine quarterback pressures, including two sacks, on just 18 pass rush snaps. So I think Anthony Hill and Diego Pavi are going to get to know each other a little bit this week.
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It's 100%. It's 100% that, like Diego, the difference was there was. There was three or four linemen that could catch him, which is not normal. And like, when you have that, obviously his ability to create and play backyard football, it becomes negated a little bit, and he definitely, you know, didn't play his best ball. But credit to Missouri defense. Thank God you don't play those guys every week. Right? Like, that's the whole point. You don't want to play teams like that all the time.
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So that's going to be such a fun game, though, because him and his personality and just their team and the success that they're having at Texas, who, you know, their coach was discussed as potentially wanting to go to the NFL, and then he got really mad about said report after the game. He was pissed. He could talk to that one person.
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I like that. I. I like that. Like, if. If people are going to put their reports out there that you don't agree with and. But I would love, also love for you to say that there's no validity to it.
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Yeah, he just didn't mention that.
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Just. Just listen to when people do that. Like, a lot of people get very defensive for a reason. They're like, how dare you do that? I'm not denying it, though. Like, I didn't say that it wouldn't happen. And that's the thing. Like, if you want to know when somebody's like, really serious and not leaving somewhere, it's when they come out right away and they're like, listen, there's no truth to these rumors when people ignore them or find ways to kind of work around them a la Matt Rule did the same thing at Nebraska. Kind of worked around it a little bit. Like, but. But I say something that bites, so everybody picks up that sound and kind of leaves me alone. You know what I'm Saying, like, all right, they tried that and just realized, I. I'll bite you. You know, you come snip at me like, I'll bite you. So this has not been a good season for Texas, but here's the thing. It's ugly. They're going on the road, and they're continuing to find ways to win. So Texas fans, you. You got to like the grit and determination of your squad, man, when they can. When they can play bad and still win. It says something like the belief to be down that 17 in the fourth quarter, like, and continue. And you haven't played offensive football worth a crap for most of the whole season. And the. The belief that you have that you can put it together. And then Arch gets knocked out. No tee. And they're back. Backup comes in and just immediately throws a touchdown. Your defense gets a stop, and you win. Like, there's something to that, man, that you got to be proud of.
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Matthew Caldwell is his name. He was at Troy last year. Third. He had, I think, 13 touchdowns, eight picks, 62 passing grade at Troy last year. He's 8 of 11 for 85 yards this year. And the touchdown that won the game.
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For them, which, by a toe.
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By.
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It was a.
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Probably a toenail.
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Toenailage. A pinky toenail. Like, it was. It was debatable. I thought they might overturn it because they couldn't see the ball. I thought they made the right call. I would have said. I said, that's a touchdown. I thought it was a touchdown. Like, when I. When I saw the replay and slowed it down live, I was like, there ain't no way he caught that. Then you're like, holy cow. Just like the Vanderbilt catch on the sideline. I was like, dude, he caught that. He dragged his foot. Now that he can possess the ball, it was so far away that it's hard to get that angle. But I thought they made the right call, man. I thought. I thought he caught it. I thought it was a good. I thought it was a good call.
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Think about the narratives after this game. Either Vanderbilt is plowing ahead toward a playoff berth, especially with the next two games that they have after this at home, or Texas might just be a. Okay. And they're, you know, ready to go and get a buy before they go play into Athens. Go play Georgia so very much. Maybe everything's still in front of them kind of thing. Like, it's going to be a big tipping point, at least for Texas in this one.
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Well, let's finish this thing. Victory Formation won the weekend I'm going to Houston, man. Willie Fritz, like, dude, I mean, just if you want to know what a good coach looks like, it looks like Willie Fritz and the reason he doesn't get hired, he didn't get hired elsewhere probably because his age, he's a little bit older. But the sucker just freaking wins. And they win again. And they were rocking. They played with emotion and Arizona State missed the field goals, Levitt got hurt, blah, blah, blah. Don't care. Like Houston does their job still in the Big 12 race. Very much so. Their schedule is UCF, TCU, Baylor left. Like Houston is absolutely, very much in this thing. It doesn't look sexy all the time. Actually most of the time I would say it doesn't look sexy. But all that matters is you take care of business and you win. Tip of the cap. Houston, Willie Fritz continuing to do what you guys do, man. Fun to watch.
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Connor Wegman throwing and running as we talked about and running all year with that.
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Well, a lot of times he's running for his life, but yeah, because they don't, they don't protect him. The greatest stuff.
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Not their greatest, not their degree.
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No.
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Speaking of running the two point play, Brendan Lewis for Memphis, the stretch, like if he had yours or my arm length, I don't think he gets there.
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No.
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But he's got longer arms than us and, and, and made that two point play to me. Memphis won the weekend because that sets them up to take. Now granted they still have two lane, they still have Navy. It's not easy to win the American this year, but that win is, is big time for them. And, and the fact that like all the new players that they have and that you just lost to uab, it wasn't like they just lost a tough game. They went, they lost to uab. So to rebound from that, to get that win against South Florida, that to me Memphis, because they right now they're in the C ball, get ball playoff bracket.
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Yeah, baby.
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That's worth something. A little bit.
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I don't know how to say 12 in Spanish. Was it Diaz on say dose?
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Yeah, I have no idea either.
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I think it's dose either way. I was impressed with Memphis's the way they overcome and man, they got a bunch of backs they just hand the ball to and they run angry and break tackles like it's not, it's not like it's always blocked up perfectly. I mean they play with passion. Like they play with some, some good energy and run with some good anger. Like I'm all for that life but.
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Not like 80 something new players, too. Well, their entire team is basically new.
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Well, and that's the thing about the group of five teams. It's a lot of that now for them. Like, there's. Because they're getting plucked like crazy with all the guys with experience, and so they're having to go find new guys with a new recruiting class. And all the. All the G5s are like that, except for the service academies, because very few of them leave. Right. Like, it's just a. It's a different culture. So it's still anybody's game for the. For the group of five and who that's going to be, which will be fun to. To watch. But shoot, there's a lot in the playoff bracket that we talked about, too, to. To still go on and to get more clarity. We'll talk about it more this week. We got plenty more this week, man. We do the picks, we'll do. Something's brewing. We'll have a guest, obviously, continue to have people on to talk about the game, because this is what we love to do. And college football is. Is waning, man. It's. It's. We got to hold on, man. It's. It's. It's going away way too quickly. The season is already week 10, so we appreciate you guys. Huh?
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Good. It's just getting good now. I mean, it's dialing in.
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It's been good. It's so good. Appreciate y'. All.