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375: Two Girls Found Dead in Suitcases, Kouri’s Secret Texts, Mom Kills Baby Then Performs on Stage
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I'm here.
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You're here. But you know what? People haven't seen in a really long time.
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So it's been a week.
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Welcome. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much. And I did notice the big change today.
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You know what, I don't know if you guys saw a couple of weeks ago when as my sister, my other half, many would argue my twin didn't notice. My adult decision in taking my nails short. But today, the first thing you said when you walked in.
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I love the locks. Thank you. They're looking gorge.
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You know, in fairness, I did post it on my Instagram story that it was. Was all happening. And so I feel like I kind of tipped you off, but I appreciate it nonetheless.
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I think it looks great.
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What do we think? Do I look mousy and brown or do we look healthy?
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I love it. You look very healthy.
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I feel very. Like I'm in my grown up dream.
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You didn't go like, black wig. You didn't go platinum blonde. You just.
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I feel like I'm in my responsible time.
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Exactly.
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Like, shorter nails, healthier hair, not the platinum. Like, maybe I'll stop cussing.
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Probably in your mature era.
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Okay, this is.
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You're about to enter the last year of your 30s.
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We were off to such a great start. Okay, you don't need to take me under the bus with you, sister.
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I can't wait because I just want all my siblings with me in the same decade.
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I know our brother last weekend turned 40, so we were all in Palm Springs celebrating his 40th. And now it's just like, I'm the youngest.
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Oh, gosh.
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They just can't handle it. So they're just trying to age me as much as they can.
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It's coming, right?
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It's coming. So we have a lot to talk about today. Not only are we going to talk about what's going on in the Corey Richards trial, because there have been some, like, cringe text messages exposed, but there's that case that I know we've been talking about in the Slack thread. The two girls who were found in the suitcases. And there's just like a Lake and Snelling 2.0. There's so much to talk about. Before we get into that. Are there any announcements I need to make? I feel like I'm gonna throw up. Honestly, I do. I don't know. Something is not right with my. My tum tum. I don't know. I talked. I took a zofran right before we started recording. I don't know why I feel so sick. Maybe I'm nervous.
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Excited to see me? Maybe.
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Yeah, it's. It's butterflies. That's what it is. Okay, so I guess we'll just get started then with the Corey Richards trial, because I want to kick it off and like, we did the updates last week with the trial. I did the deep dive to fully catch you up on what this case is. Who she is. But I had promised you that I will continue to keep you updated with what we learned throughout the trial. And for those of you who are unfamiliar with this case, I'm sure that you've seen it somewhere on your feed. She's a Utah mom. She's currently on trial for murdering her husband. Allegedly, she poisoned his Moscow mule one night with fentanyl, a lethal dose. Five times the amount for a lethal dose. And then after he passed, she wrote a children's book with, about how to deal with grief so that she could read it to her sons and explain to them, you know, that their dad is still with them. Come to find out, she's accused of the one orchestrating his murder. And so there's a lot of damning things against her. I will say in, in addition to the financial motivation, I mean, she was set to get a two million dollar life insurance payout, a ton of money from their estate. She seems very greedy just by. From what I know about her. And again, all of this is in the deep dive and you can go listen, but. But also very just entitled. She thought that she would inherit everything or I don't know if inherit is the right word. I guess it is, right, like, because they weren't divorced. But come to find out, he thought she was shady and so he put everything in his sister's name. And so then when she found out, she literally punched the sister at the house. And so, I mean, just an entitled, greedy, scummy trash bag. We'll just call her that. So anyway, now we are continuing into the trial and the prosecution has now really shifted the focus from just some drugs and money aspect of it all to Corey's relationships, also her phone activity and some pretty cringe and shocking text messages. So through the trial, jurors are now hearing testimony from somebody who has been talked about a lot in this case, and that is Corey's alleged boyfriend or person that she was having an affair with. Robert Josh Grossman. And this testimony was really interesting. Not only did it shed a lot of light on the dynamics between the two of them, the relationship, but also not that I want to like, come for this guy, but he was kind of giving like simp energy, which that's so Gen Z of me to say, but like, kind of just like loser. Yeah, I know. So Robert told the jury that he and Corey had been involved in a romantic relationship before Eric, her husband, had died. And while he was testifying, prosecutors started showing the jury the text exchanges between the two of them. And in one of Those messages Corey allegedly sent, quote, if I was divorced right now and asked you to marry me tomorrow, would you? To which Robert replied, quote, yes, in love with you, of course I would. And that wasn't the only message there were. There's a slew of them. But according to testimony, another text from Corey read, quote, if he could just go away and you could just be here, life would be so perfect. Now, according to reporters who were in the courtroom during all of this, Robert actually started crying on the stand while those messages were being read alone, loud, which, you know, I'm not trying to be heartless human being here, but part of me feels for him. Like, yeah, if you were in love with her, you're sad, you thought your life would be perfect together. But also it's like you are having an affair with a married woman. Like, what do you expect? I don't know. So the thing that really caught everybody's attention was something that he testified happened after Corey's husband Eric died. Because Robert told the jury that during a conversation that took place weeks later, after Eric died, Corey asked him if he had ever killed anyone. And more than that, what it felt like. Now, the reason that she asked him that question is because Robert is an Iraq war veteran and she, you know, that obviously, without getting too much in the weeds, obviously he would know what that felt like, if he had ever killed somebody. But the point being that that question immediately stood out to him, but he answered it anyway. Now, I will say I think that that's a very strange question to ask in general to anybody. Like, I guess maybe not like if I met somebod, was in the war or killed someone in self defense, maybe. Yeah, maybe I'd be like, what did it feel like to kill someone? I actually, I don't know if I would ever be that invasive to ask that. But I mean, the fact that she was asking that literally weeks after her husband strangely died, that feels like a tell. Almost like maybe she was trying to not tell on herself, but trying to be like, obviously she had sent those messages of if you and I could just be together, if he wasn't here, everything would be perfect. Then, like, have you ever killed anyone? What did it feel like? Maybe she was just trying to find someone to connect to to. Like, what do they say? What's the expression? Like, not subtly tell on yourself, but like, what am I looking for?
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I don't know, but I feel like, was she just like, maybe trying to get also some like, therapy about, like what maybe like what it feels like after to get some, like.
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Yeah, type of.
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Now I know what you're saying. I'm, like, about to try to say that. I know.
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What's the word? What is the word? I was, like, about to. I know. Everybody is probably screaming, you idiot. This is the word. It's like, not your intuition. Hold on, hold on. Your subconscious telling on yourself. Is that it? I don't know. Whatever. So, anyways, this obviously. I know. I know.
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Okay. We're dumb. Dumbs.
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I know. Okay. Sorry. So sorry, guys. Just bear with us.
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No.
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So, anyway, odd thing to ask in any event, and this struck a chord with a lot of people in the courtroom. You could totally tell by the expression on their faces. And this is when the prosecution really started digging into Corey's phone and also the digital trail that the investigators say her phone left behind. So then jurors heard from a digital forensics expert who had analyzed data pulled directly from multiple phones involved in this case, including both Eric, her husband, and Corey's devices. And one of the first things that he told the jury was honestly pretty shocking, because according to the forensic download reports, while Eric's phone didn't show any mass deletions of any sort, Corey's devices did. The expert testified that investigators found hundreds of deleted text messages, calls, and web searches off of Corey's phone. And these searches and these messages and these calls that had been wiped all took place prior to Eric's death, which obviously does not look good. So right away, the prosecution is basically trying to show the jury that something was being wiped from that phone, Whether it was her searching for things, talking to people about it, her. Her plans, whatever it may have been. And the forensic analysis specifically found searches related to things like whether police can recover deleted messages, how long life insurance payouts take, how to remotely delete icloud information, how much fentanyl is considered a lethal dose, and whether police can force someone to take a polygraph test. They also showed the jurors that Corey purchased a second phone in April of 2022. And a forensic analysis suggested that some items on that device also had been deleted. Now, obviously, that doesn't look good. Okay. Having those searches of how to delete stuff, obviously, it seems like money was a motivator. So then a search of how long does a life insurance payout take? How much fentanyl is considered a lethal dose does not look good. However, I'm gonna just play devil's advocate for a minute here. I could picture a world not prior, obviously, to my husband's death, but if Jeremiah Died. And if it was an overdose. And like, I. I found out he had been secretly using. And they're like, oh, yeah, he had five times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. I could see myself Googling like, what is the lethal dose 100 and. Or like, if I'm getting life insurance, maybe being like, when will I get that? Because I need to take care of the kids, I need to do this. Or like, then if they're like, I don't know why I would say, can they delete, like, recover deleted messages? Maybe if you're just trying to cover the affair, but didn't have anything to do with the murder. So, like, I think that they. While they are. Yeah. Nefarious. Not enough to. It's not like Brian Walsh of How to Dismember a Body.
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Yeah, they're damning, but they're not necessarily. The writing isn't on the smoking gun.
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Yeah, agreed. And the defense also had pushed back pretty hard on all of this. Corey's attorneys argued that phone data doesn't automatically prove intent. And they also pointed out that the investigators can't always know why certain searches were made or who may have even had access to the device to make those searches. However, from the prosecution's perspective, their goal, I think, is pretty clear here. They're trying to show the jurors that Corey's phone activity, I mean, the deleted messages, the searches, the communication patterns, the boyfriend, all of it, it all starts to form a larger story around Eric's death. The motive, the planning, the COVID up, all of it. So this digital evidence could end up being a really important piece in the prosecution's case. I think it already has started to lay the foundation for that. But we will keep watching as the trial continues. We will let you know what comes next. I don't think it's looking good for her. I think the defense is doing a good job, which I did say, I think on the last headline highlights, but not a good enough job that I think that the jury is gonna find her.
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There's just too many things that look suspicious. I also heard that she's trying to. Or it was kind of suggested that perhaps he took some gummies at night that would help him sleep. And they were saying maybe that is what ended up poisoning him.
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Right.
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But I. I found it like crazy that she punched the sister. But could you imagine like you did this whole plan, I just go punch
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you actually in the face.
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But you think you're coming into all this money.
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Yeah.
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And then it'.
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No no, bitch. Yeah, well. And I guess you know what? I totally forgot about that. Even if you could explain all of this away and. Yeah, she was a shitty person. She had an affair. He allegedly had an affair at one point, too. Like, that sucks. That doesn't explain the letter she wrote from prison to her mom and her brother where she was trying to direct her brother with what exact testimony to have? Witness intimidation, witness tampering, like, and she tried to mark it as, what, attorney client privilege, jail or whatever, but she
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titled it, like, something Walk the dog.
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Or Walk the dog. Yeah. Which is like, an infamous thing with something with, like, the cartels or something. Some. Don't quote me on that, but it's something like that. There's like, a walk the dog letter is significant, but. Yeah, just trying to orchestrate everything from behind bars. So it's like, you're obviously lying. You're guilty. You're guilty. Innocent until proven, but you are guilty in my mind. Yeah.
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So, Hanny, what do you think? Just.
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Just neutral. Yeah, we'll see where it goes. But my prediction here. Guilty on all charges. We heard it here. Yeah, you heard it here first. Corey Richards, you may stand. You are guilty.
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I know. And, like, prison hasn't really done her any favors. No.
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But I also think is part of it that karma is doing its work and she's looking a little wrecked? Or is it that I think the
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stress is weighing on her?
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Well, yeah. Or is it that she's also trying to pull a Jodi Arias and, like, look mousy and unassuming and, like, not like, this pretty, beautiful girl that people will judge for having an affair and being after money? Or.
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We've seen it before.
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Seen it again, we'll see it again. Seen it before, we'll see it. I cannot talk to save my life today.
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I think I'm also getting twin sympathy pains because I'm nauseous.
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Now, I have an extra Zofran if you need. I'm gonna drink some water. Take it away.
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Okay. Okay. So this next case we're talking about is one that honestly almost feels impossible to wrap your head around because in just the span of one single day, three women in rural Utah were all killed, and investigators say the suspect had never even met them before. Police say the man accused is Ivan Miller from Blakesburg, Iowa, and he is now facing three counts of aggravated murder after what authorities describe as a random killing spree in Wayne County, Utah. According to investigators, Ivan had been traveling across the country and was heading through Utah, and that's when Things started to fall apart. The court documents say he hit an elk with his truck, damaging it so badly that he ended up selling the vehicle to a tow company and essentially stranded himself in the area. And that's when, prosecutors say, the situation turned deadly. Authorities say that Ivan first attacked an 86 year old woman named Margaret Oldroyd. After Ivan sold his truck. He had been staying in hotels for a few nights, but for some reason, possibly because he ran out of money to pay for the hotels, Ivan had then started sleeping in a shed on Margaret's property. Reports say that Margaret left her home at some point, and when she did, Ivan then went inside. But when she returned home and sat down to watch television, that's when Ivan walked up behind her, shot her in the back of the head, tried to clean up the scene, then dragged her body into the basement. And after all of that, Ivan stole her car to flee the area. But the violence didn't stop there because a short time later, police say that Ivan abandoned Margaret's car near a trailhead and came across two women preparing to go hiking. 65 year old Linda Dewey and her 34 year old niece, Natalie Graves. Investigators believe Ivan shot one of the women, then shot and stabbed the other before attempting to hide both of their bodies in a dry creek bed, then stole their white Subaru. The two women had been hiking at one of their favorite places, an area known for its quiet desert scenery and views. And their families later say the women loved spending time outdoors together and that hiking was something they cherished. The family also said they were devastated by the loss of their two loved ones, who had simply been bonding over the beauty of a hike in one of their favorite places on earth. So eventually, investigators were able to track down the stolen Subaru across state lines, and Ivan was arrested the next day in Pagosa Springs, Colorado, still driving that stolen vehicle. And according to reports, when investigators asked why he did it, Ivan allegedly told them that it, quote, had to be done because he needed money and a vehicle to get back to Iowa. So one of the reasons why this case has been so big in the headlines this week is that Ivan was already known to law enforcement in the Iowa area. Court records show that he'd been arrested there just weeks earlier on suspicion of breaking into a cabin, but had been released without bond. He was supposed to appear in court for burglary charges last week. So right now, Ivan is in Colorado, and the legal battle is already beginning. According to reports, his attorney has said he plans to fight extradition to Utah. Every step of the way, even though Utah prosecutors have already filed charges and are preparing the case, and if he's ultimately returned to Utah and convicted, prosecutors say they intend to seek the death penalty for all three aggravated murder charges. And meanwhile, these small communities connected to these victims are all still trying to process what happened. Friends and neighbors of the victims describe the women as kind, community minded and deeply loved. The kind of people who are simply going about their normal lives when everything just changed. And in a place like Wayne county, where this type of violence is incredibly rare, the shock of losing three women in the span of just one day is just unbelievable. And as this case continues to unfold, especially with the extradition fight and possibility of death penalty, investigators say they are working to fully piece together exactly what happened here and whether there are any warning signs leading up to all of it. Well, what it seems like to me is this might just be a case of these three women being in the wrong place at the wrong time, Unfortunately. And this 22 year old, I guess, desperate for money. But I, I just don't understand how you go to that extreme and that feels like the best course action when you're stranded somewhere. I feel like I could think of a million other ways to solve that problem.
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Well, and I don't know if I believe any of that because it's like he said that his truck was so damaged so he had to sell it and that's why he needed money. But then when he said he was called, he's like, why to steal the money? Because I needed to get back home. I needed to like find transportation. But it's like, well, clearly if the vehicle was in good enough shape to sell, maybe you could have used either the vehicle still or use that money to then catch a bus instead of staying at the hotels. Like, I don't know, he burglarized the cabin three weeks earlier, which he shouldn't have been released without bond. Like he should still be there and this would never have happened. But yeah, it seems like he has a history of robbing people and burglarizing.
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So to so cavalierly murder three people in one day just feels like a psychopath. Very extreme.
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Yeah.
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And crazy.
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That's awful. Yeah. And that one woman was 86 than the 65 year old and like a 34 year old niece. It's so, it's just.
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Well, and I just obviously I put myself in the shoes of like the aunt and the niece just going out for a hike and I mean it's so unexpected. And same with the older woman. It's like you don't come home and you want to watch your panic. They must have felt.
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Okay, so this next case is absolutely devastating. And a lot of you have been tagging me in this, sending it to me, and so I definitely want to talk about it. It's all unfolding right now in Cleveland, Ohio. But let's backtrack a little bit and let me give you the breakdown to where we are now. So on March 2, a man was just out walking his dog in Cleveland's South Collinwood neighborhood. The dog suddenly then ran toward the fence line near the field that they were walking by. So the man followed his dog to see what was going on. And he noticed something that looked like a suitcase. And it was partially buried in the ground, which that alone was strange enough to be like, why is a suitcase out here? Why is it half buried? What the hell's going on? So as he got closer, he unzipped it. And inside the suitcase, he saw what appeared to be a human head. So he immediately called 91 1. Police arrived, and they quickly realized that this was far worse than anyone could have imagined, because not only was there this one suitcase that he had found with a human head inside of it, but there were actually two suitcases. Investigators had searched the field and they discovered this other suitcase about 25ft away. It was also like the original one partially buried in a shallow hole. And inside both of these suitcases were the bodies of two young girls, which let that just sink in for a second. You're out on a walk with your dog, not thinking anything crazy. You see the suitcase, you're like, oh, what's in it? You find a freaking human head, you call the police. Then they find another suitcase and find the bodies of these girls. It's absolutely devastating. Now, first, the investigators had no idea who these girls were because the bodies were described as being pretty decomposed, which of course, made the identification very difficult. But the medical examiner estimated that their ages were between 8 and 13 and 10 and 14. Then, after conducting forensic testing, including DNA testing, the authorities were able to identify these girls pretty quickly. The girls were identified as 10 year old Amor Wilson and 8 year old Mila Chapman, two half sisters from Cleveland. But here's where this case takes an even darker turn, because the investigators quickly developed a suspect in their investigation, and that suspect turned out to be the girl's own mother. Two days after finding the girl's bodies, the police arrested 28 year old Aaliyah Henderson. Now, according to the investigators, Aaliyah was taken into custody after detectives had canvassed the neighborhood, spoke with witnesses, and reviewed surveillance footage from the area where those suitcases were discovered. Police also had executed a search warrant at Aaliyah's home. And during that search, very unnervingly, the officers located a third child inside the home, who fortunately, though, appeared to be physically okay. That child has since been taken into custody of the state. Aaliyah appeared in court on March 6, where a judge set her bond at $2 million, 1 million for each charge of aggravated murder. Now, as of right now, at the time of this recording, the investigators still have not publicly released the exact cause of death, which means we don't know how these two young girls died. It isn't even clear if that detail has been determined by the medical examiner yet based on the level of decomposition. Police also have not said exactly how long the bodies had been in that field in those suitcases, but they did indicate that they had been there for, quote, some time now, beyond just the arrest and the devastating crime against these two girls, were also starting to hear heartbreaking details about the girls themselves and their home life and their family. Mila's father, DeSean, told reporters that he had actually been trying to find his daughter and get custody of her for years. He said that he last saw Mila in 2020 when she was only three years old. Ever since then, he's been calling CPS, asking for welfare checks, even going to court, trying to gain emergency custody. The problem was, though, he could never locate where she and her mother were living because they moved so often. So it was difficult for him to not only track them down, but then figure out what the right court would be to go through it just a mess, and imagine that like looking for your daughter for six years. So, unfortunately, after all of this came to light and after learning what had happened, he said something that will break anybody's heart. He said, quote, I feel useless. I couldn't save my baby. He described Mila as happy, always smiling and completely convinced that she was a princess, saying that her favorite color was pink and that she was just a joyful, playful kid. Police Chief Dorothy Todd also spoke out about the case, calling it a terrible, tragic situation and saying that the two girls had their entire futures ahead of them. Now, of course, with this, everybody has been coming out in droves in the public. They want answers. They want to know what's going on. Memorials have also started building up in the field where the girls bodies were found. Neighbors are leaving flowers, candles, stuffed animals for them. But as of right now, the investigators are still working to piece together exactly what happened inside that home and how these two little girls ended up, you know, I guess you could say what, dismembered to an effect and then buried in a field. Because the biggest question, obviously in this case that everybody is asking is what on earth led to this? What would have caused her, to the mother to inflict this on her two kids and not the other? Not that I think that anything should have obviously happened to the other. But, like, what. What is the story behind this? And like, why did this happen? It's obviously still a developing case, and as more information comes out, especially about the timeline, the cause of death, what prosecutors believe happened, I will definitely keep following it and update you as we learn more. But it is one that has not only rocked, I think, their community, but just everyone in general. I think that's why I've been inundated with requests to cover it, too, because it's just a whole next level kind of evil.
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It's unimaginable. It's unimaginable.
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It takes a real monster to do something like that. I know.
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Especially when the poor dad was looking for the daughter.
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Can you imagine, like, calling CPS over and over, trying to go to courts, being like, want my daughter? I haven't seen her since she's three. Where is she? And like, like, Then you find this out and you're like, I couldn't save her. I couldn't get there fast enough. It's feel helpless. I know.
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Well, and then the poor man who
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discovered that, oh my God, that's a memory. I mean, I would be in your
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mind if I found an abandoned suitcase. No way.
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I don't think I would ever open an abandoned suitcase. I've seen too many.
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I would call the police.
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Yeah, for sure.
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But then I wouldn't.
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Yeah, I don't think I would ever open it either.
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Oh, my God. Well, I've got another tough one.
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Great.
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I know. I actually there are too many stories this week involving children. It was tough. So this last case we're going to talk about today is one that's left a lot of people stunned this week. It's very reminiscent of Lake and Snelling, which happened last fall and is also absolutely horrific. In Flagler County, Florida, a 20 year old college student named Anne May D. McGill secretly gave birth at home and then allegedly watched as her newborn baby died before going to perform in a college theater production later that day. Yes, you did hear that, right. According to the Flagler County Sheriff's Office, this all started on March 6th when deputies received a call requesting a welfare check for Anne. The caller reported that Anne had sent her some messages saying that she had secretly been pregnant and had given birth unexpectedly at home. The caller also said that the baby was born, quote, alive and crying, but that Anne did something to the infant. And when deputies arrive at anne's home around 4am they started talking with her and she told them that she had been having severe abdominal pain around 3am the day before, which was Thursday, March 5. She claimed that she had absolutely no idea that she was pregnant. But shortly after the pain started, she gave birth to a baby in the toilet in her bathroom. And this is where the allegations become incredibly disturbing. Deputies say the baby girl was born alive and crying. But according to investigators, instead of calling for help, Anne left the baby in the toilet water. The chief deputy later said that she saw the baby in the toilet water and waited until the crying and movement had stopped. Investigators believe the newborn likely drowned, though the official cause of death will be determined by the medical examiner. The baby was later described as weighing about 3 pounds, 6 ounces and measuring roughly 18 inches long. And according to investigators, Anne placed the baby's body in a duffel bag and then hid it in a closet and then continued on with her day, which again, this feels very reminiscent of Lake and Snelling. Who was, if you recall, a 21 year old student in Kentucky who gave birth to her baby inside of her off campus apartment and then hid the baby in the closet and later called authorities and said she fell asleep, woke up and then found the baby unconscious. Also horrific and unimaginable. And as I mentioned earlier, later that day Anne performed in a theater production and after that production she returned home. And this is when authorities say she buried the baby in a shallow grave in her backyard, covering the body with only a few inches of dirt. And reports say that while deputies were on this welfare check and took them to that burial site and they were able to recover the baby's body. So Anne May DiMaggio was charged with aggravated manslaughter of a child and she later appeared before a judge. Her bond was denied, meaning she will remain in custody while this case moves forward. So right now the investigation is ongoing as authorities wait for the final results from the medical examiner. But this whole thing is so heartbreaking and shocking and just tragic. And unfortunately we see this too often. So we will keep following it, of course.
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Course.
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And keep you posted on the details.
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But more and more, it's like these young girls, Alexi Treviso, Lake and Snelling, they're just like having these babies and I don't know if they truly didn't know they were pregnant or which I don't believe, or they just think they can get away with it, but it's like it's a. I don't know.
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So do you think it's a function of her not knowing she's pregnant or that it was a pregnancy gone wrong? Because it sounds like the baby, I mean, was far enough along.
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But no, I mean, not really though. The baby was only born at 3 pounds, 18 inches. 18 inches. And I usually what, around like 19 to 21, 22 depending.
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So about half.
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I don't know. I could see it £3, maybe. Not entirely knowing. It'll be interesting to see what her search history is. If friends knew she was pregnant, how thing, how she was acting. But like Alexi Treviso, she was very, very obviously pregnant and like clear. I think Lincoln Snelling too, she like had posed as like, she had like saved like maternity shoe and stuff. So I don't know, maybe it's like the reality sets in and they get scared or they're embarrassed. I, I have no idea.
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It's so awful.
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I know, it really is. That was a rough one today, but thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode as a reminder, we had two brand new episodes release already this week. One here on the serialistly feed on Monday and then another one on our new podcast feed, 10 to Life, our second true crime podcast. All of them live on YouTube. But if you're listening to the podcast version of these episodes, they are two separate podcasts. So you will want to go and follow both and listen to both. But there are two other episodes from this week that you can go binge right now. Other than that, thank you guys for tuning in and we will be back with you again very soon. I will be back on the mic with you on what day is it? On Monday with an all new case. But until then, be nice, don't kill people, don't poison your husband or have any affairs. And don't open any suitcases you find.
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No, absolutely not.
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All right, bye.
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