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286: Toxic & Cheating Wife Takes “Over His Dead Body” Literally | The Case of Michael Shaver
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Annie Elise
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Jeffrey Weggs
Automotive News Almanac, historical data and industry reported Sales data from 1909 through 2024 cycle 33 year old Michael Shaver left work and was never seen again. Lori Shaver is accused in the 2015 shooting death of her husband Michael Shaver.
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Lori Shaver
He put his foot on my face, smashing it into the patio porch.
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Jeffrey Weggs
When Lori took the stand in her trial, she immediately became emotional, wiping away tears before telling the jury how she first met her then husband Michael. When that motion was filed to say.
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Annie Elise
Lori Shaver didn't do it, it was her daughter stepping in to defend her. That daughter was 7 years old at.
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Lori Shaver
The I had nothing to do with the murder of Michael Shaver. My name is Lori Filmer, also known as Lori Shaver, and I'm coming before you guys today just to let you know that we have our suspicions, but I don't know why I've been targeted. I am a daughter, I'm a friend, I'm a neighbor, I'm a servant of God, I'm a wife, and I am a devoted mother of four.
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Jeffrey Weggs
Hey true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial Asleep. Hey everybody, welcome back to an all new episode of Serial As Lee, I am your host, Annie Elise and I'm here to break down another true crime case for you. Now, if you are brand new to the podcast and checking it out for the first time, let me just kind of give you the breakdown of what we do over here on Serial As Lee I know it's a mouthful, okay? I trust me, I know the name is hard to say, but over here, what I like to do is discuss these cases in more of a conversational way. Almost like you're talking with your friend or your sister or you know, your true crime bff, which I would love the honor to be that for you. But like just in less of a clinical and sterile way that I feel like a lot of the times these cases are discussed. You know, I grew up watching 60 Minutes, Dateline documentaries, all the things and I still watch them, don't get me wrong, but I felt like I was kind of craving for something where people would just talk to me about these cases as if it Were like, my sister and I on the couch, or a friend of mine was, like, trying to update me on a case. So we talk about things a little bit more casual over here. I call things out like I see them. I talk about the red flags and just kind of like we're friends having a conversation. And today's case, okay, the one I'm talking to you about today is a wild one. And I felt like it was kind of like a Lifetime movie when I first heard about it. And it might very well be one or definitely will be one in the future, but it kind of just goes to show the level of, like, unhinged that people become. Okay, I want you to just imagine this for a moment, okay? Imagine that your friend suddenly disappears. Meanwhile, their spouse has a dozen different stories about where they went, who they were with, what happened. Then boom. All of a sudden, a huge piece of evidence, a clue, turns everything about the case upside down. And, guys, there's a twist at the end of this that I bet none of you are ready for. I know that I wasn't. It is one of those, like, roller coaster cases. So let me just show you. Shut up. I'm gonna get right into it. And buckle up, because we've got a lot of twists and turns ahead. So In November of 2015, Michael Mike Shaver disappeared without a trace. One moment he was at home with his wife, Lori, and with their two kids, Isabelle and Aiden. But then the next, he was just gone. Now, Lori says his disappearance happened after, yet again, another argument between the two of them, which these arguments were happening pretty frequently. It was apparently like their marriage was just unraveling. It was this long string of arguments. And then bo home, this one happened. And in the heat of all of it, Mike just walked out of their Clermont, Florida, home. Just walked out and never looked back. And this was the last time that Laurie, Isabel, and Aiden would ever see him or ever hear from him ever again. Now, at first, Laurie thought that Mike would come back. I mean, maybe not right away, but eventually. But as the weeks dragged into months, the reality began to settle in. Mike was gone for good. So Laurie did the only thing that she could do. She began to move on. She wanted to continue and live her life. But starting over for her wasn't really easy, because by 2015, Laurie and Mike were both in their mid-30s. They had been together for over two decades also. So starting over after 20 years, I mean, not an easy feat. Their relationship had begun long before marriage and children had even entered the picture as well. I Mean, so the history that they shared also kind of made Mike's sudden disappearance just even more difficult to comprehend. Now, Laurie was suddenly in a position where she was a single mother trying to navigate that, Trying to navigate raising her two kids on her own, but keeping things together and emotionally intact for them as well. So she did what she could to keep things as normal as possible, even when neighborhood chatter and rumors and whispers started to add up. Because to those who knew Mike, something about his disappearance just was not adding up. It wasn't making sense. I mean, a husband doesn't just vanish into thin air, right? A father doesn't just walk away from his kids without a trace. I mean, usually unless they're a full on deadbeat. Yet that's exactly what seemed to happen here. Now, let's go back a little bit and talk about how Mike and Laurie met and what their upbringings were, because I feel like you need to have a full picture of these two people before we get into, like, what went on. So their story began in upstate New York, where they both spent their childhoods. Mike was the third of four kids. He was raised by a single mother. And from a very early age, he just was super fascinated with figuring out how things worked. I mean, he loved tinkering, fixing and building. Whether it was old radios, broken appliances, discarded bicycles. He would just collect what a lot of people consider junk. And then he would take it all apart and put it all back together again. And the two of them, Laurie and Mike, first met in middle school. That's how far back they go. From the moment that they crossed paths, something just clicked between them. So eventually their friendship evolved into a crush. Then the crush evolved into dating. Then dating went into a serious relationship. Serious relationship went into engagement, engagement went into marriage. I mean, over the course of many, many years. They married shortly after their high school graduation, and then they started building their life together. Mike had dreams of becoming a pilot and really wanted to pursue this commercial flying license. Eventually, he even secured a job at Piedmont Airlines. Then in his spare time, he worked on competitive racing airplanes, which I didn't even know that was a thing. But the more you know. Right. So as their relationship grew, Lori also was working, and she built a career in the insurance industry, all while Mike was pursuing his passion with aviation. And their lives were a little bit all over the place. Right, because his job was in the commercial airline industry. It took him from city to city, state to state. I mean, all over the place, Constantly on the move, even international occasionally. So all of this back and Forth in this travel, this meant frequently relocating their small but growing family. But then with the arrival of their two children, Isabelle and Aiden, they started rethinking the whole lifestyle. It was difficult to manage. It was a lot. I mean, moving from place to place is one thing when it's just you and your partner. But now when you have kids in the mix, who you want to establish a routine, give them roots, makes things more challenging, right? So Mike and Lori decided to set out on their search for the perfect home that they could raise their family in. And eventually they found it. A spacious, beautiful property in Clermont, Florida, a very quiet and rural area just outside of Orlando. And it was everything that they had hoped for. It was five acres of land, plenty of space for the kids to run around, even room for animals. So they really embraced this country lifestyle. I mean, so much so that they even added ducks and chickens to their home. I mean, they loved this life. But now having this settled home balance and home life, it really sparked something in Mike. He was now craving that same kind of. What, I don't know what you call it, like, not roots, but like that same kind of stability in his work life as well. He loved aviation, but he didn't love the long hours. He didn't love the constant travel that was draining. And more than anything, he just hated being away from his family for so long. So over time, he found himself really craving a change, something that would, you know, keep him closer to home, keep him grounded. And then the absolute perfect opportunity came along because he landed a job as a mechanic at Disney World. He was working on the monorails, which are the things that, like, transport guests all around the resort. You've probably seen them. And for somebody who loved fixing things ever since he was a kid, this now felt like a dream come true. He was going to be helping them as a mechanic. So, like a little bit of engineering, I suppose. It's also at, you know, Disney World, the happiest place on earth. And if you loved doing that as a kid, I mean, it just kind of feels serendipitous, right? So to the outside world, Mike and Laurie had built this life that so many people would envy. I mean, high school sweethearts, two kids, this beautiful home with plenty of space to have animals to grow, food, to do all these things. Two careers that provided stability. I mean, truly what everybody would hope for one day, right? But as we know, the truth isn't always what it seems from the outside. And behind closed doors, their relationship was far from perfect. Over the years, tensions between the two of them started escalating. So what may have started as a typical marital spat or argument, it started to grow into something far more toxic and dangerous. Their marriage was marked by these heated arguments, these accusations, and even, at times, violence. So much so that Laurie confided in her friends that Mike was physically abusive to her. Not only would he hit her, allegedly, but he would even lock her inside a closet for hours at a time. Nobody ever witnessed these alleged incidents, but her friends believed her. They were convinced that she was a victim of domestic violence. However, Mike's close friends saw the situation very differently. They believed that Laurie was the aggressor, that she was the one frequently attacking him. Because on at least one occasion, Mike apparently showed up to work and he had visible bruises on his face. When his co workers asked him what had happened, he admitted to them that Laurie hit him. They urged him to go to the police because they were obviously really concerned for his well being, also for the kids living in a toxic household like that. But Mike just dismissed the idea. He told them, no, you know, it's not worth the hassle of involving the police or going through any sort of legal battle. I'm just, you know, it's a toxic marriage. I'm just going to deal with it. This is just the way that life is now. And you might be wondering, okay, well, why did their relationship go so south? They were high school sweethearts. Like, seems like they had everything. What happened? Well, it had gone bad for a lot of different reasons. I mean, for example, Mike and Laurie were accusing each other of infidelity. Both of them against each other. Each suspected the other of being unfaithful. And these suspicions ended up leading to explosive arguments. Now, as I've hinted at, their arguments, they weren't just verbal. They often got physical. And on multiple occasions, both Laurie and Mike allegedly escalated from the physical violence aspect of it to threatening each other with guns during their arguments. I mean, these got especially intense. By September 2014, one fight escalated to a particularly dangerous level, too, because one night, a pretty bad argument erupted right after Laurie supposedly discovered very suspicious text messages on Mike's phone. It's unclear what they said, and some sources say that Laurie only found a woman's number on his phone, not these incriminating text messages. But whatever it was that she found, it was enough for Laurie to spark this massive confrontation. And this fight got really intense. So much so that it prompted Laurie to call 91 1. When she called, she told the operator that although they have had arguments in the Past this is the first time that it got physical and that there was actual violence involved. But she claimed that Mike grabbed her and that he attacked her. Yet when the police arrived, Mike told a completely different story, just like they were telling their friends two different stor. And according to Mike, Laurie had been the one to escalate the situation to physical violence, not him. He said that she was furious over these text messages and that in a fit of rage, she went and grabbed a gun and not only threatened to use the gun and kill him, but said that she was going to turn the gun on herself as well. Now, both of them had apparently been drinking that night, and fearing that she might act on these threats, Mike ended up taking her car keys and prevented her from leaving. Although to me personally, I don't really know how that would stop the threat or even like yield it or curb it at all, because you would kind of. Not that she should drink and drive, obviously, but you should want her out of the house so that she doesn't use the weapon, in my mind. But anyways, regardless, he took her keys. And that only made matters worse because then allegedly, Laurie lunged at him again with the gun still in her hand. From there, a struggle between the two of them ensued. And during this like physical little altercation, Mike said that Laurie struck him over the head with the gun, almost like pistol whipping him, leaving this really deep and bloody gash. Laurie, however, claimed that, no, no, no, no, I only hit Mike's hand and that caused him to then accidentally strike himself in the head. I didn't do that. But whatever happened. A neighbor who saw the aftermath of the fight took photos of Mike's injuries. And the images showed a deep wound with significant bleeding, an injury that didn't look casual or accidental or even self inflicted. Meanwhile, Laurie appeared relatively unharmed. Now, despite all of that, when the officers interviewed Mike, he admitted that he had grabbed Laurie, not in an attempt to hurt her, but rather to restrain her when she was trying to reach for the gun. However, that admission in and of itself was enough for the police to arrest him on domestic violence charges. He admitted to touching her, so he was arrested. Mike ultimately accepted a plea deal which allowed him to enter a 12 month pre trial intervention program. However, he ended up completing the program in six months instead of 12 and then ultimately the charges were dropped. Still, though, the judge ended up issuing a no contact order between him and Laurie, forcing Mike to move out of their shared home. So with nowhere else to go, Mike took up residence in an airplane hangar. Now, many sources said that the airplane hangar was at his work, but as far as I know, there isn't an airplane hangar at Disney World. I mean, maybe I'm missing something. I did do some research, but I couldn't really find a definitive answer. Now, as I mentioned before, Mike did compete on a competitive flying team. So because of that, other sources say that he was staying at his team's hangar, which also makes a little bit more sense to me. But whatever the case, he ended up living there for a while, sleeping among the planes, using the locker room showers to bathe, eating microwave meals in the break room, and just getting by. Eventually, though, Mike ended up moving back home. And unfortunately, this kind of became a pattern in their marriage. I mean, Laurie would kick him out, he'd live in the hangar for a while, he'd return, they'd make up, and then it was just a cycle, ongoing. It was always the same thing. And during the periods where Mike was not living at the home, when she kicked him out and he was in the hangar, rumors started swirling that Laurie was seeing other men during those times. Friends and neighbors would tell Mike about these frequent visitors. And Mike even went so far as to fly over their house in a plane just to see if there were unfamiliar cars parked in the driveway. Which I gotta say, maybe because I don't have a plane at my disposal, but I will say in my day, in my toxic relationships, I've done drive bys to see if other cars are over at the house or like if they're dating other girls. Which I know that sounds totally psychotic and like crazy girl behavior, but look, in my 20s, I was a stage five cleaner. I'll just say it like it is. You guys are my friends here. I'm going to tell you like it is. And I would definitely do drive bys. Taking a plane now and flying a plane overhead, that kind of goes next level. But you know, I can't say I wouldn't do it if I had a plane. When I was 21 years old, maybe I would. Although he was, of course, much older, but you get what I'm saying. So he flies over, seeing if there's any unfamiliar cars. And ultimately he confronted Laurie about the rumors. And when he did, Laurie made her stance crystal clear. She was allowed to see other men while they were separated, but Mike was not allowed to see other women. And she even warned him that if he did, he would never be allowed to see their kids again. Which I don't know how you can really have that argument and think that you have any merit in that, like, how are you going to say, I can see other men, but you can't see other women? Like, that feels a little hypocritical. That doesn't really track, right. Well, turns out in the spring, in 2015, during one of their many separations, Mike did begin dating a co worker named Kendall. And when Lori found out about that relationship, she was furious. She even tracked down Kendall's Facebook page and began sending her just all of these threatening messages, one after another, saying, I'm gonna expose you as a homewrecker. You better not mess with me. Back off, my husband. Just, like, truly going at this girl. She even went so far as to report their relationship to Disney's HR department, hoping to get Kendall in trouble at work for, you know, what is that, fraternization? And I don't know if he was her boss or what it was, but she was, like, pulling out all the stops. And she didn't stop there. She took it next level. She even took photos from Kendall's personal Facebook page, pictures that, in Lori's mind, she deemed as looking inappropriate. And she submitted those photos to Disney's HR department as well, arguing, you know, Kendall's not the type of person that you would want representing your brand. She shouldn't work at Disney. She's not innocent. She's not wholesome. Take a look at these pictures, which I will say Disney does take their employees and their reputation, I guess you would say, very seriously. I had a friend who worked at Disney, not even, like, at the park, but worked in Downtown Disney at a restaurant, and they are so strict. I'm sure you've heard of Disney fingers. If you haven't, it basically means you're not allowed to use, like, your single index finger to point to anything. Like, if somebody's like, hey, where's the bathroom? You can't say, oh, over there. The rule is you always have to use two fingers. That. That's, like, the polite way. Guys, I know that that probably sounded way worse than I meant it, but get your minds out of the gutter. But you have to say, like, no, it's over this way or this way. Kind of how Chick Fil A has to say, what do they say? My pleasure to everything that you. If you say thank you or whatever. So I kind of get where she was trying to go with this, but I also don't know that it's going to hold much water, but whatever. And her harassment didn't just stop there with Disney. Laurie also managed to find Kendall's grandmother' phone Number. Then in the middle of the night, she called her grandmother at 3am demanding to know where Kendall lived. Basically being like, grandma, Grandma, tell me where Kendall lives. I need to know her address. Like, fully unhinged, right? There was even one time when Mike apparently called Kendall and told her she needed to park in a different parking lot than usual for work because Lori was driving over, she was on her way to Disney, and she had a gun. And he was worried that she was going to do something crazy to Kendall. Which at that point, I mean, I think you gotta call it, and you just gotta divorce. There's no way to save a marriage like that, in my opinion. Again, not that I advocate for divorce, but like, come on, I mean, if you're worried somebody's gonna commit murder, maybe you don't stay with that person. And while nothing significant came of Laurie's threats, the relentless harassment did take its toll. And By May of 2015, Kendall had enough and she ended her relationship with Mike. The constant threats and the interference from Laurie had just become way too much to handle. But once again, history repeated itself. And following this breakup, Mike moved right back into the home with Laurie and his two kids and tried to make their marriage work. And their toxic relationship didn't just affect the two of them, and I would imagine their children too. It also affected their extended friends and family. I mean, over time, he just became increasingly distant from his loved ones. His family, who lived out of state, made several attempts to come visit him, but time and time again, the plans would just fall through at the last minute. Mike would just call them and say, you know, it's not a good time right now. You can visit another time. Always really citing Laurie as the main reason behind it, saying she insisted that they needed to focus on their marriage and these family visits would just only be a distraction. So as time passed in their marriage, Mike seemed more and more isolated, just completely trapped in this relationship that was spiraling further out of control. Those who knew Mike and Laurie wouldn't have been shocked to hear that they were going to be divorcing. Some even encouraged it, saying, look, this is probably the best decision for you. Then on November 7, 2015, Mike and Laurie attended a local tractor show with his co worker and his friend Frank Merritt. Some of Frank's family members also attended this show. And from the moment that they arrived, Frank could just sense that there was tension between Mike and Laurie. Have you ever been in a situation like that when you're like third wheeling or you're in a group setting and there's another couple. And you could just feel like, okay, they must have just had a huge argument right before they arrived. Or like, the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. It's a really uncomfy position to be in. Right. Especially if you ever have been that couple. I have, even with my husband where we've gotten into an argument, and then we have somewhere to go, and we have. We get there and we're like, okay, we have to put on a happy face. Like, we'll talk about this later when we get home. Like, it's not good for anybody involved, right? So at this tractor show, they barely interacted with each other. Lori also refused to even acknowledge or make eye contact with anybody who was there. The unease between Mike and Laurie was just so obvious, making things awkward for everyone around them. And while there wasn't a dramatic argument or big moment, the atmosphere just felt off, creating this really uncomfortable situation. What was supposed to be a fun afternoon turned into an experience that was honestly anything but enjoyable. And it eventually led to Mike and Laurie leaving early. Then the next day, after all that awkwardness at the tractor show, Frank decided he wanted to check in on Mike. Just to see, you know, how's he doing, Is everything okay? Like, did you make it home safely? You know, what, Whatever, whatever, whatever. So he sent him a text message, but he got no response, which he wasn't really worried about it. He's like, you know, I know that he and Lori had a lot to work on. They probably are still talking, but I'm not too worried. So, wanting to respect Mike's privacy, he kind of held off on contacting him again for the rest of the day. But by November 9, two days later, his concern started growing and he decided he was going to check in again. And this time, he finally got a text back. But it was nothing like he expected. It wasn't a text that he would have thought that he would have received because it was brief and it was just completely out of character. In this text, Mike told Frank that he was not only quitting his job, but he was doing it to save his marriage. And Frank found that really strange because Mike had always been dedicated to his work. He was always been reliable and passionate about his job. So it did make sense that he would just suddenly and abruptly quit and walk away without any prior warning. The wording of the messages also felt a little bit odd, almost. Almost like impersonal, as if it wasn't really coming from Mike at all. So Frank couldn't shake this uneasy feeling that something was just very wrong here. And unfortunately he foreign. You guys know, especially if you've been listening or watching for a while, that I am obsessed with Diet Coke. I live, breathe and die by Diet Coke. But I also see all of your comments where you're warning me, being like, annie, you need to lay off the Diet Coke. It's so bad for you. It has so much sugar. It has aspartame, all the things. And look, I get it. But what I will say, what might make a lot of you listeners and commenters happy, is that one of you commenters recommended that I try Olipop. And I did. And I think that I might be converting now. Let me just tell you about Olipop. For those of you who haven't heard about it. 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Is everything okay yet? Mike's text back was just. Just short, dismissive. He said, you can fire me. I'm not coming back. Not surprisingly, Mike's boss was completely caught off guard by this sudden resignation. It was so unlike Mike to do something like this, something so drastic, without any prior discussion. However, there also wasn't really much that he could do. If Mike was determined to leave, nobody was going to be able to force him to stay. He was a grown man, after all. Frank, though, his friend, was still concerned. So he decided to go check on Mike in person. And on November 13, he went over to Mike's house in Clermont wanting to check on him. And Laurie answered the door. And Laurie told Frank, you know what? Mike left. We got into a heated argument because he was talking to other women. I called him out on it, and he took off. He left, and according to Laurie, he not only stormed off in the middle of their argument, but he drove off in a very big hurry. Now, something about this story didn't really sit right with Frank, not only because it again was out of character, but also Mike's car was still sitting in the driveway right there, exactly where he usually parked it. So if he had really left on his own and drove off in a hurry, why wouldn't he have driven his own car? Why was his car there? So Frank started pressing Laurie on that, and when he did, she started changing her story just slightly, saying, you know, a black SUV actually pulled up to the house and it was driven by Mike's friend Robert. And then Mike got in that car and that's the car that sped away. She says he took off in such a hurry and that Robert and Mike were apparently heading to Georgia, of all places, that he sped off so quickly. He left behind his car, his Wallet, his clothes. I mean, everything. Which, obviously, Frank was still super suspicious. But despite his concerns, Laurie maintained that she had no idea where Mike was or what his plans were. And that was the last known interaction that anybody outside of the family had regarding Mike's whereabouts. From that moment on, he seemingly just vanished without a trace. Then, after his disappearance, Laurie's story about what happened to him seemed to change a little bit, depending on whoever she was talking to. Laurie told family members that he had left for the airport and that he moved to another state. Sometimes she said he moved to Georgia. Sometimes she said California. Other times she even said New York. But there was just constant shifting in her story, and. And that, of course, raised some eyebrows, yet nobody could quite figure out what was going on, what was the truth. And just about a month after he left, Laurie started doing something else that raised a lot of red flags. She started selling all of his stuff. I mean, his expensive aviation tools, his guns, literally anything that he owned. She was trying to clear it out. It was almost as if she could not wait to get rid of all of it. She sold some of his stuff to friends, to co workers, to family members, many of whom, by the way, still couldn't believe that Mike, this guy who had spent years of building this collection of expensive tools, would just walk away from everything that he had worked for without a single word. So naturally, these people started asking Laurie a lot of questions, right? You know, where did Mike go? Why would he leave all of this stuff behind? But Laurie's answers were just vague. She would shrug it off and say, you know, well, our relationship was on the rocks. Or, you know, he was more trouble than he was worth. He's out of my hair now. Just vague and kind of not really giving much context. Now, despite how toxic their marriage was, she and Mike were together for over two decades, 20 years. And the fact that he had just disappeared without a trace, she didn't really seem particularly upset. There was no panic, no frantic searching, no real concern for even her children, who were, by the way, under the age of 10 at the time and whose father just up and vanished. It was almost as if Laurie just accepted that Mike had left her and their two children without even so much as a goodbye. And at first, even with Laurie's weird responses about his disappearance, his family and friends didn't immediately jump to conclusions or get too concerned because Mike was still in contact with them. He would send them text messages sporadically here and there, sometimes Facebook messages. And even though it wasn't constant, it kind of tracked with his communication. Remember, he had been distancing himself for quite a few years at that point, so they kind of just chalked it up to, all right, he left. He's moving on to another phase in his life, and, you know, we'll talk to him when we talk to him, but we don't need to really worry. However, then the tone of Mike's messages that he was sending started to shift. They became even more cold, more distant, and. And they all kind of had this unmistakable theme of just, you know, leave me alone, leave me be. In one strange message to a family member, Mike even wrote, quote, I'm done with all this back and forth crap. Everyone just needs to leave me alone, just like they did my entire life. Needless to say, it was uncharacteristically harsh. I mean, definitely a bold and abrupt statement, but still, it also didn't really immediately set off any alarm bells. After all, people go through rough patches. Sometimes people just need to go off the grid and, like, regroup for a moment. So it seemed like, okay, he just needs some space, and. And his friends and family figured, you know, he'll reach out again when he's ready to talk. But as days turned into weeks, Mike's contact became even more sporadic. Everybody heard from him less and less, and at the same time, they had no idea where he really was or what he was doing. And the messages that they were receiving got even more weird. One time, Mike's niece, somebody who he was really close with, messaged him just to check in. And Mike replied, asking who she was, claiming he never even met her, saying, like, leave me alone. I don't owe you. Get away. In another instance, Mike texted his brother, and in this text, he said, I tried calling mom. Did she change her number? Which, to be clear, their mom hadn't changed her phone number for years, and Mike knew that. So if he really was trying to contact her, he would have been able to. And the odd behavior didn't just stop at text messages. His Facebook activity also started taking a drastic turn. Previously, his posts were filled with photos of himself, his friends, the planes that he worked on, some family shots here and there. But now his timeline was flooded with these random memes, different posts that seemed just totally disconnected from his usual personality. And then things got even stranger when his Facebook profile picture just suddenly changed from a personal photo of him to a random image of this group of people at a bar where Mike wasn't even in it. His friend Scott noticed the switch and immediately tried to find Mike in the photo. But he realized he wasn't even in it at all. Not even in the background background. So, super confused, he decided to take a closer look and do a reverse Google image search on the picture. And to his shock, he discovered that the photo wasn't even original. It was a stock image that was used by a Bloody Mary company, like a bar promotion company, or I guess rather a liquor promotion company. Meanwhile, everybody else still surrounding Laurie was just growing increasingly concerned about his sudden disappearance, because she still seemed completely unfazed by the situation. Her lack of worry or urgency was just extremely unsettling, especially considering the circumstances, because, in fact, Laurie seemed to move on remarkably quickly. Just about a month after Mike left, she met a man named Jeremy Townsend at a park. Jeremy was married, but he still pursued Laurie like the garbage human that he is, and she didn't seem to mind. Lori told him she had recently become single and explained that her husband had abruptly left her and her children behind, though she didn't go into too much detail. But she seemed to be more than ready to embrace this new relationship. And it didn't take long for Lori to become infatuated with Jeremy. In fact, less than a month into their relationship, Laurie showed just how serious she was about this relationship. She tattooed Jeremy's nickname, Jay, right above her crotch, which, look, even a tattoo of somebody's name on the arm is a lot for only being with somebody for a month. Tattooing it right above your, you know, private area, that's next level. That is dedication. But also, I will just say, you know, to each their own. I personally will not ever get somebody's name tattooed on me. I think it's the kiss of death. But, you know, go Lori. I guess now she's obviously taking this relationship very seriously and, like, very committed to this guy. Meanwhile, he initially was under the impression that this relationship with her was purely casual, purely sexual. He was married, after all. So now he was becoming way overwhelmed by Laurie's, like, stage five clinger intense attachment to him. And at this point, she was constantly bombarding him with text messages, also questioning him about his marriage, asking why he was still wearing his wedding ring, why he hasn't divorced his wife yet, whether or not he was in love with her. I mean, the constant, just harassment of questions and emotional demands. It was a lot for Jeremy to handle, and it definitely was not what he thought he signed up for. But then the situation took another unexpected turn when Jeremy's wife, Vanessa, received a very bizarre delivery at her job. She received this oversized bouquet of flowers that also Had a card with it. And on the card it read, roses are red, violets are blue. My wife is a whore. Your husband is, too. Sorry about this. Check your Facebook messages. We need to talk. Mike. So completely confused, and also rightfully so, a little freaked out. Vanessa checked her Facebook messages, and when she did, she found a series of hundreds of messages from Mike. In these messages, he shared details about Jeremy and Laurie's affair. He included screenshots of their text message exchanges. He even included the inappropriate nude photos that they had sent one another. So Vanessa was understandably very upset, and she confronted her husband, Jeremy, about this, which he didn't try to deny it. Instead, he admitted to this affair, and he immediately ended things with Laurie. He assured Vanessa that he was committed to working on their marriage. If she would just give him another chance, he would never see Laurie again. Nothing like this would ever happen. It's officially over now. You can imagine Laurie was hurt. She was frustrated, and she really tried to win Jeremy back, but her efforts were useless. He wanted to make his marriage work. He was done with her. And Laurie didn't really stay that upset for very long. Instead, she quickly set her sights on somebody new. A guy named Travis Filmer, who also happened to be a local church leader that she met through mutual friends. Their chemistry was undeniable, and they quickly grew close with one another. Travis, who had always wanted a family, was drawn to Laurie's bond with her kids, which he just found incredibly attractive. I mean, here she was, left by her husband, embracing motherhood on her own. Then, by the beginning of 2016, Laurie hosted a bonfire party where she and Travis became even closer. This really was the spark of the beginning of their relationship. And as they continued seeing each other, she assured Travis that her marriage with Mike was officially over, that they were completely, officially divorced, that Mike was no longer involved in their children's lives, that he wasn't paying child support, that she was fully independent and on her own, which, meanwhile, Mike's friends and family couldn't help but notice how serious Laurie and Travis's relationship was now becoming. And understandably, they started asking her about it because their curiosity about Mike, it hadn't faded at this point. It had been almost a year since anybody had seen him or talked to him, and they still had no clue where he was or what he was doing. But Laurie told them, no. You know, me and Mike are divorced. I've gone to court for it. We're done. I like, he left. I'm done. I'm moving on with my life. However, I Will say she did claim that she never actually saw Mike at the divorce hearing. She said he didn't want to be there. So they stayed in separate rooms during the entire proceeding of it. And they were divorced and it all worked out. But again, the whole story just seemed a little bit odd. Yet Laurie seemed confident in this story, so they didn't question her any further. And she really seemed to quickly embrace this new reality of hers. She was posting updates on social media photos. I mean, as if nothing ever happened. She was sharing photos of herself and Travis enjoying time together. She shared photos of her kids. She was even posting some photos of various projects she was working on around her house, particularly some remodeling. One specific detail was pouring a concrete pad for a fire pit in the backyard. And she and Travis even etched their initials into this cement, officially finishing the project. It was almost as if she was carrying on like everything was perfectly normal without a care in the world. And to any outsider, it would have seemed like nothing strange had happened at all. Then, on December 31, 2016, Laurie and Travis took the next step in their relationship. They got married in a small, intimate ceremony in Laurie's backyard. And this event was very close knit. Only a couple close family and friends were in attendance. And everything was going really smoothly. It seemed like a very happy, very joyful, loving occasion. 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They got married. She seemed to snap back to her cheerful self. She was going through the motions of enjoying the wedding, and there was no sign that a breakdown had even happened. And that, in and of itself, kind of left people feeling a little bit unsettled, right? Like, how do you go from one extreme to the other? But nobody really knew how to make sense of it. It was just a bizarre moment that didn't really seem to fit in with the life that Laurie had been portraying to the world. But Laurie moved on. She and Travis were married. They continued their relationship, and they even had two kids together, making Laurie, now a mom of four. And by mid-2017, the mystery of Mike's whereabouts had deepened, but still, nobody had heard a word from him. Some people, like close friends and family, would receive an occasional text from him, you know, saying he was okay, that he was just checking in, but. But that was pretty much it. No calls, no details about his life, Basically nothing. Laurie, however, started building this whole new narrative about his absence. Because now she was saying he didn't vanish and he didn't leave her and, like, go off on his own, but he's actually stalking her. He's following her everywhere that she goes. She even claimed that she had to call the police because she spotted him tailing her while she was driving. And according to Laurie, when the police arrived on the scene to investigate, they even discovered that Mike had placed tracking devices on her car. And she claimed that there were so many hidden tracking devices that the police had to take the car to the station so that they could remove all of them. It took him two weeks to find all of them and to get rid of everything. I mean, he was stalking her to, like, the one millionth degree. Yet despite what happened, she, for whatever reason, didn't file an official police report for stalking or for harassment. Instead, she just continued to confide in her friends about it, talking about this ongoing surveillance stalking, but never really wanting to take legal action to address it. And there was kind of a strange mix with this that had her friends and family's curiosity piqued. I mean, she was raising red flags for anybody who was close to her. Because on one hand, she was portraying herself as a victim of Mike's stalking and obsession. Yet she also wasn't willing to take any legal steps to protect herself or protect her children. Children. If she was truly scared, why wouldn't she act on it? So by 2018, Mike's family and friends had reached their breaking point. Something was clearly wrong. And the fact that nobody had heard from him in now over two years, it was becoming harder to ignore. For people who knew Mike well, it just didn't add up. They couldn't reconcile the idea that he would just voluntarily cut off all contact, especially with his children. While it was possible that, yeah, he might sever ties with Laurie, the one constant in his life was his kids. Mike had always been a dedicated father, and everybody was certain that even if he had tried to distance himself from Laurie, he definitely would not have abandoned his children. So By February of 2018, his friend Scott, the same one who noticed that weird Facebook profile, change the picture to, you know, the stock photo of the group from the Bloody Mary site, he knew that he just could not ignore this nagging feeling in his gut anymore. He knew something was wrong. So he decided that he was going to take action. I mean, he hadn't heard from his friend in over two years. So he requested that the police perform a welfare check on Mike at Laurie's house. And he wasn't really sure what to expect, but he knew that there was just something between all of the stories that wasn't adding up. When law enforcement arrived, Laurie appeared calm and very cooperative, answering all their questions without any hesitation. She explained how and when Mike had left, she stuck to her story that he had simply just walked away from their Life. Back in 2015, she allowed the police to come in to search through the house. I mean, just seemingly unbothered by this intrusion, not worried at all. But then, once the officers made their way through the house and into the backyard, everything changed. Because right there, near the fire pit that, remember, Laurie, had so enthusiastically been posting about on social media, the police found an unusual depression and the cement slab. This area was about 6 by 9ft in size, and the indention was a few inches deep. And suspiciously, this indention was shaped like a human body. So this discovery immediately raised concerns among the officers, and they asked Laurie, like, hey, we're gonna come back this evening with search dogs. Is that okay? And up until that moment, Laurie had been warm, chatty, accommodating. But when it came to the backyard, her demeanor drastically shifted. Gone was the friendly, cooperative woman Suddenly, she was now cold, guarded, and angry. So she ordered these officers off her property, saying, I'm not allowing any dogs in unless you have a warrant. Get out, get off my property, and beat it. If you have any questions, talk to my lawyer. So this was the kind of reaction that made the investigators pause a little bit. It because if she really had nothing to hide, why the sudden change? Why was she totally fine and open and willing when they were inside the house and now turn into, like, you know, this mean, guarded person? The second they were in the backyard and they knew something was up. So they got their Warrant. And on March 9, nearly a month after their very unsettling first visit, the investigators returned to Lori's property. And this time, they didn't come empty handed. They brought excavation tools, cadaver dogs, and they just had this growing sense that something was very, very wrong. It didn't take long. As soon as the dogs were released into the yard, one of them made a beeline for that fire pit, circling it again and again, signaling that something below the surface demanded their attention. So a team of officers got to work digging through this thick concrete slab. And within a few hours, their efforts paid off. They saw the first sign of human remains, specifically a partially exposed arm. And from there, the team just continued to dig. Once they were done digging, they found an entire body wrapped in a sheet and secured very tightly with a tarp. It was discovered approximately three feet underground. And at this point, it was basically just a skeleton wearing only socks and underwear. It was clear that these remains had been there for months, possibly even years. Now while this search was going on, it kind of is reminiscent of Chad Daybell a little bit. She just stayed inside the house, just quietly watching as everything was unfolding. But then the moment that the body was uncovered, she got into her car and she took off. Investigators kept working, but her exit didn't go unnoticed. I mean, if anything, it only raised more questions about what she knew. Right. And what she might have been trying to avoid. So the body was carefully removed, and it was sent for further examination. Using DNA from Mike's father, the authorities confirmed in 2018 that these remains belonged to Mike. The timeline of his death was narrowed down to late 2015, a date that, of course, matched the last time anybody had seen him or heard from him. And eventually, an autopsy revealed the shocking truth behind Mike's death. He had been shot in the head with a.38 caliber handgun. Coincidentally, this was the same type of gun that Laurie kept in her nightstand and had used to threaten Mike in The past. So this discovery confirmed what all of Mike's friends and family had feared. Mike had not just walked out on his life, walked out on his children. He had been murdered. And with each new piece of evidence, they were increasingly convinced that Laurie was the one responsible for his death. But proving it, that was going to be a whole different challenge because. Because while the truth was finally starting to surface, Laurie was not going to go down without a fight. And the investigation into Mike's death, it was only the beginning. Because, remember, I told you there was a twist in this at the end that nobody even myself saw coming. So after the discovery of Mike's remains, police issued a second warrant a few weeks later so that they could examine the property further. Investigators used specialized lighting to detect bloodstains inside the home, and they found evidence of a trail of blood that stretched all the way from the dining room all the way to the back porch. Among the blood stains, they also found multiple hair follicles. The blood in the hair was sent away for testing, and test results later showed the presence of mixed DNA. Lori and an unidentified male. Now, unfortunately, a direct match would never be found for either. So while it couldn't be directly linked to Mike, he also couldn't be ruled out. So the investigation that followed the discovery of Mike's body started to paint a picture. Not only that Laurie had potentially murdered Mike, but that she lived with this secret for years and also lived with his body in her backyard for years. Investigators found that the last call that Mike's cell phone made was on November 7, 2015, the last day that anyone ever saw him. His bank accounts also told a very troubling story, because by late 2015, his bank activity just came to a halt. No ATM withdrawals, no credit card purchases, no signs of him living anywhere. Nothing. However, somebody had been using his accounts for a short while after November 7th. And all of that evidence pointed directly to Laurie being the one using the accounts. Records showed that on November 19th and 23rd, somebody used Mike's debit card and to go buy clothes and also buy lingerie online. The purchases weren't sent to Georgia, where, remember, Laurie claimed Mike had moved, but instead, it was shipped to her home in Florida under her name. And in the weeks that followed, somebody completely drained Mike's account, which it was mostly online transactions. And that was kind of also out of character for Mike because he was more of like an in person kind of shopper, not a big online shopper. But by that December, his account was overdrafted and then never used again. Detectives also uncovered other alarming financial discrepancies, including the fact that those flowers that were sent to Vanessa remember Jeremy's wife. They were purchased using Laurie's personal debit card. Checks addressed to Mike also continued arriving at the house, and they were endorsed and deposited right into an account that Lori controlled. Meanwhile, all of his bills went unpaid. His passport expired. A loan was taken out in his name and never repaid. I mean, come on, it's pretty clear what happened here, right? But then, beyond just this financial trail, the investigators uncovered a mountain of digital evidence. All those messages that appeared to come from Mike, the text messages, the Facebook posts, all of it, they were tracked back to Laurie's IP address. So for Mike's friends and family, it confirmed what they had suspected all along. The messages didn't sound like him because they weren't from him. Someone had been impersonating Mike. And. And again, all the signs pointed directly to Laurie. But that wasn't all. One of Mike's close friends came forward with text messages that he had received from Mike shortly before he disappeared. And in these texts, Mike shared something chilling. He said Laurie was after his life insurance money, and he admitted that he was scared she might kill him for it. Even more disturbing, he told his friend that if anything ever happened to him, Lori would cover it up by pretending to be him online, that she would assume his identity and take over. It, of course, sounded unthinkable at the time, but now it was starting to look like a plan that was already in motion. Then there was, of course, the gun. Right? It was a.38 caliber gun that Laurie always kept in her nightstand that she had allegedly threatened Mike with in the past. And Laurie had ended up selling this gun to a nearby neighbor. And while it was the same type of gun that was used to kill Mike, the bullet that was recovered from his remains was too damaged to conclusively match to his specific gun. So they're building their case. They're gathering all of this evidence. And the investigator sat down with Travis, Laurie's new husband. He repeatedly insisted he had no idea that Mike was dead, let alone buried in the backyard of the home that he was now sharing with Laurie. He claimed that he always believed that Mike had simply just vanished, that he and Laurie were officially divorced. However, when the police dug into the records, it should be no surprise that they found no trace of a divorce ever being filed. Now, during this interview, Travis did recall a very strange comment that Laurie had made to him once about Mike, where she said, it's not that he's missing. He's no longer walking this earth. Now, at the time, Travis didn't really take it literally. He just assumed it was Laurie's dramatic way of saying that Mike had left their lives for good. But investigators, this, like, piqued their curiosity. And they also discovered another odd detail. Travis and Laurie were never legally married. I mean, despite having that wedding ceremony in Laurie's backyard, there was no official Marri marriage certificate on record. And when they questioned Travis about it, he tried to explain this away, saying, you know, we chose not to make it official for financial reasons. That's the only reason why. But given everything else that the detectives had uncovered, his excuse didn't really seem that convincing. Especially when they found out that Travis was the one who helped Laurie pour the concrete that Mike was buried under. So all the evidence piled up, and one thing became undeniable. Mike had not vanished by choice. He had been murdered. And all signs pointed to Laurie. So finally, In September of 2020, Laurie was officially named a person of interest, and she was arrested. She was charged with second degree murder and accessory after the fact. But this story was far from over, because as you're about to hear, the spotlight would shift and the blame would be placed on two other people that no one ever saw coming. I think I've talked with you guys about my cell phone provider in the past. If I haven't, I'm not going to put them on blast here, but I'll just tell you it's a yellow logo provider and it rhymes with crint. But I did not like it, because not only was my monthly bill going up every single month, I barely had service anywhere. I'm not talking, like, the mountains or a dungeon, literally in the wide open spaces on a beach, I have had no service. So finally, I heard about Mint Mobile when they became a sponsor of this podcast several months ago. So I decided to give it a try. I was like, okay, hold on. 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But instead of keeping a low profile while she was out on bond, she made a really bizarre move. She posted a very long YouTube video in this attempt to like defend herself and also solicit financial help for all of her legal fees. So right there, sitting on a dock by a body of water, Laurie sat next to her defense attorney, denying any involvement in Mike's murder and introducing what would then become their main defense argument in this. And I gotta just say, you have to hear this thing to believe it. And it's not like an awkward press conference. It's this way overproduced video that is titled I'm innocent and it is complete with these like overhead drone shots, a sunset, soft music, an American flag. It's almost like a commercial. It's honestly ridiculous, especially because of who she was blaming and the confusing story that she told.
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Annie Elise
Good morning, I'm Jeffrey Weggs, I'm an attorney, criminal attorney here in Lake County, Florida. Sitting to my left is Lori, a client of mine. Lori regrettably is charged with the most onerous crime that any enterprise individual could be faced with in their lifetime. Lori is charged with the crime of murder. This incident stemmed from a relationship. Having been married to her first husband Michael, Laurie was the victim of repeated physical violence by Michael. This went on for a period of years. It involved the state attorney's office, involved obtaining injunctions for the protection of Laurie. That involved the Department of Children and Families being called into the residence. Michael was removed from the residence. And at that point, or some point thereafter, Lori started seeing somebody else. We're not going to mention his name, but he's the subject of this action. This relationship came upon Lori by Lori dropping the children off at school, and this same individual observing bruising and injuries to Laurie. He confronted Laurie, and we don't know to this day or to some extent we'll find out, though. But he proclaimed he had been in the Special Forces. He had been appointed to protect President Bush, and that he had the special ability to protect from Michael Shaver. He even advised Laurie that he had the ability and the knowledge and the special skills to kill somebody and that nobody else would ever see it, know it, or be able to pin it on him in any fashion. Michael being out of the house, Laurie had a relationship with this same individual. The same individual became close to Laurie. And during their relationship, Michael was gone. Michael was out of the house. He had disappeared. Through some means of which we suspect we have the answer to anyway. The same individual, this mystery man, advised Lori that she needed to create a sitting patio in her backyard, told her how much concrete she would need, told her where to put it, and even assisted her in purchasing the concrete. Well, later, these two individuals broke up. This individual went back to his first wife, and later on, Lori began to date somebody else. Well, they had concrete sitting there, and her and this individual, who she's now married to, Travis, built this patio. Unbeknownst to Lori, underneath the patio laid Michael Shaver. Later in time, law enforcement approached her having received some word or advice or suspicion that a crime had been committed. Now, we don't know who exactly told law enforcement, but we'll find out about that. And underneath the patio lay Michael Shaver. Now, when law enforcement confronted Lori, Lori wisely said, I want to talk to an attorney. I don't want to speak with y' all unless I first speak with an attorney. Thus, she came to me. I haven't interviewed Lori. I understood what had happened and confronted law enforcement, telling them things that I had discovered, what I knew about the case, who we suspected had committed this crime. Law enforcement evidently turned a blind eye on this and sometime later, eventually arrested or did arrest Laurie for the crime. Now, there was no. There's no forensic evidence that ties Lori to this crime, let alone any other crime. There's no gun. There's no ballistical evidence, no chemical evidence, no evidence of any other matter that they can link Lori to this particular crime of murder.
- [68:23]
Jeffrey Weggs
So the focus of her defense was Jeremy, the guy that she had once been in a relationship with, the one that dumped her because he wanted to make his marriage work. They say he killed Mike out of jealousy. He wanted Laurie. He was aware too, of the abuse that she had suffered at Mike's hand. So he wanted to protect her. And he just was so in love with her. Then without her knowledge, he secretly buried Mike's body on her property, leaving her completely unaware of what had happened. Kind of feels far fetched, right? But then after asking for money for Laurie's defense, she spoke directly to the camera, fighting back tears, talking about her kids, and she was actually pretty convincing.
- [69:01]
Lori Shaver
I'm coming before you guys today just to let you know that we have our suspicions. But I don't know why I've been targeted, why I've been set up or charged with this heinous crime. I am not guilty. And anybody that knows me knows that my life is my children. I am a daughter, I'm a friend, I'm a neighbor, I'm a servant of God. I'm a wife. And I am a devoted mother of four. My life is my children. The well being of my children has and always will be be my top priority. And that is the reason that I would never cause any harm to the father of my children. And I know that everybody. There's people out there that are trying to paint this picture of me, but that's not me. I'm loving, I'm caring, I have a servitude heart. I don't judge people. I accept all. And I always try to see the good in everybody. And right now I am up against something that I would have never imagined possible. And so today I'm coming to you. My family and I are begging you, asking for your assistance to help prove my impact innocence in this case. Without you, we don't have the financial means to pay for my attorney's fees. But I can tell you that I am not guilty. I had nothing to do with the murder of Michael Shaver, nor did I have any knowledge of his body being buried. Underwear where we were building a gathering place, a conversational fire pit area for our family and friends to spend time together at.
- [71:13]
Jeffrey Weggs
After that, things stayed relatively quiet for a few years and her team was preparing for trial. But then in 2023, the case took an even more shocking turn. Because instead of Just blaming Jeremy. With that earlier accusation, her attorneys now filed a motion claiming it wasn't actually Jeremy who pulled the trigger, it was her daughter. They alleged that Laurie's seven year old daughter Isabel had shot Mike. According to the motion, Isabel had grown up witnessing years of abuse between her parents. And in a moment of fear, while Mike was allegedly beating and threatening to kill Laurie, she acted. The claim completely contradicted everything we had heard before. Isabel also had been questioned by police multiple times over the years, and not once did she mention this version of events. Defense. But still, Lori's defense said that Isabel wanted to testify. So a judge ordered a psychological evaluation to determine if she could. And by this time, Isabel was a teenager. So her trial began in September of 2024. And of course, her defense team painted Mike as this abusive, violent husband that, you know, Lori was the victim. She suffered for years and years and years physical, emotional, mental trauma, even sexual abuse at the hands of him. They portrayed her as this battered woman who just lived in constant fear and did whatever she had to do to survive this toxic relationship. And beyond attempting to destroy Mike's character, they also put forth a wildly contradictory timeline, arguing that Mike hadn't actually been killed in November of 2015, you know, even though all the evidence suggested that, but instead he was killed in May of 2016, 6, 6 months after he had supposedly disappeared. Now, as for the actual shooting, they said that Mike and Laurie were in a heated argument. It got physical. Mike allegedly pinned Laurie down at one point, just beating her, horrifically pressing his foot against her neck. So as she was struggling below him, her 7 year old daughter came, intervened, and wanted to save her mother's life. According to Laurie's defense, Isabel somehow knew exactly where her mother kept a gun. So she ran inside, she retrieved it from Laurie's nightstand, and she returned just in time to shoot Mike in the head with almost perfect accuracy, which I gotta say, that's hard for an adult to do, no less a 7 year old. And the defense didn't stop there. They further alleged that then Jeremy, the boyfriend, arrived at the house shortly after Isabel fired this shot, and for reasons that were never explained, he took the gun from her and he shot Mike a second time so that he could ensure that he was dead. However, the medical examiner's testimony completely contradicted this claim. Mike had only been shot once and there was only one bullet recovered from his body. Her defense also then argued that Jeremy told Lori, you know, leave, take the kids with you, which she did. And that by the time that she Returned. Mike's body was gone. She didn't know what Jeremy had done, where his body was, what happened. But Jeremy told her, keep quiet. I've handled everything and stay quiet. Because if you talk, I will not take the blame alone. But Jeremy testified for the prosecution and he denied everything. He insisted he wasn't at the house during the shooting or the aftermath and that during that time he wasn't even with Laurie. They had already ended their relationship. He was working on things with his wife.
- [74:30]
Annie Elise
At any point when you were over at the Shaver residence, was Michael Shaver there?
- [74:37]
Lori Shaver
No.
- [74:38]
Annie Elise
At any point did you arrive on a scene where Michael Shaver had been shot?
- [74:46]
Isabel Shaver
Say what?
- [74:46]
Annie Elise
At any point did you arrive at the Shaver residence or any other place where Michael Shaver had been shot?
- [74:53]
Isabel Shaver
No.
- [74:54]
Jeffrey Weggs
At any point were you involved with.
- [74:56]
Annie Elise
Any sort of altercation with Michael Shaver?
- [74:59]
Lori Shaver
No.
- [74:59]
Annie Elise
At any point did you shoot or injure Michael Shaper? No.
- [75:03]
Jeffrey Weggs
No.
- [75:03]
Annie Elise
At any point were you involved with disposing of the body of Michael Sheen?
- [75:07]
Jeffrey Weggs
No.
- [75:10]
Annie Elise
And after the affair was exposed, what happened with your early supercourt?
- [75:15]
Isabel Shaver
I cut it off.
- [75:16]
Jeffrey Weggs
Then on September 12, Isabel, who was now 15 years old, she took the stand and she told her side of the story. She started by telling the jury about her parents relationship and also that she had witnessed them fighting on multiple occasions.
- [75:30]
Isabel Shaver
It would happen pretty often. They'd at least argue and like fight really bad, pretty much on the daily. But it would escalate to those points a few times a month like it was. It wasn't a rare occurrence, like it happened often.
- [75:51]
Annie Elise
And as a matter of those events, I may have asked this question before. Did you feel a need to attempt to protect your mom in any fashion?
- [76:01]
Jeffrey Weggs
I did.
- [76:02]
Isabel Shaver
Yes.
- [76:04]
Annie Elise
Did you perceive your mother as a victim through those events?
- [76:08]
Isabel Shaver
Yes.
- [76:13]
Annie Elise
Those. That response that transpired in you, did it become a natural and automatic response? You talked about the feeling inside of yourself of a need to protect your mother. Did that become automatic inside?
- [76:33]
Isabel Shaver
Yes, it did. Growing up, I mean, yeah, I've always stepped in for my mother. I was. I mean, I would, you know, do whatever I could do.
- [76:44]
Jeffrey Weggs
Then she went on to say that she witnessed a very violent confrontation between her parents on the back, back porch of their home in 2016. She claims she heard her mother screaming for help. So she ran to her mom's room, grabbed the gun out of the nightstand, returned to the scene where they were fighting and she fired the gun at her father, she testified. I grabbed her gun and I went back out and I went to the door. The Door was already open, and he had my mom on the ground, still. Still laying on the ground, still kicking her. And I shot him. But there were a lot of inconsistencies in this story. Isabel had never mentioned shooting Mike in the past in any of her police interviews over the years. It was only now, during the trial, which was nearly a decade after Mike's disappearance, that she now was suddenly claiming that she's the one who pulled the trigger. Her testimony also had other contradictions, including getting the date wrong. She stated that the shooting happened in May of 2016, which, remember, was six months after he would disappear in November of 2015. So it was almost like she was trying to protect her mom in these moments. Her testimony was shaky at best.
- [77:49]
Annie Elise
Do you know anything about the death of your father?
- [77:52]
Isabel Shaver
I do.
- [77:57]
Annie Elise
Do you know anything about how your father died?
- [78:00]
Isabel Shaver
I do.
- [78:04]
Annie Elise
Could you tell the jury? So.
- [78:12]
Isabel Shaver
It was a school day, and I'm sorry. And he.
- [78:16]
Annie Elise
First, let's relax. Go slow. Make sure the jury understands the events. Okay.
- [78:23]
Isabel Shaver
Okay. It was a school morning. Me and my brother were getting ready for school. He hadn't been at the house for a while. He was kicked out, removed. And me and my brother were in separate rooms. We had pretty much been ready for school. I was eating my breakfast, and I was watching tv. We had these, like, little plastic tables in our rooms, and I was watching tv and I heard arguing. Initially, I thought it was the tv, and then I was like, no, that's not the tv. So my room, it had. It was my room. And then it had a bathroom and then a spare room. And so they all connected to each other. Like, through the bathroom is almost like a little, like, pathway. And so I heard, you know, the fighting and the yelling, and it escalated. So I went. I always. When I was little, I would go through there to, like, sneak around. And I opened the spare room door, and in front of the spare room door was the dining room. And in front of the dining room, there was a glass door, like a sliding glass door. So I opened the door to the spare room, and I stood there, and I saw my father. And he wasn't supposed to be there. And my mom and my father were fighting, and my mom went to leave. Like, leave the argument, leave the porch. They were out on the porch. And he pulled her by the arm, and he pulled her into her lap onto one of the porch chairs, and he held her there. And then she was like, we can work things out. Like, it's. You know, we'll figure. We'll figure this out, it'll be different. And he was like, no, there's no next time. There's no figuring it out. And he pushed her onto the ground. He pushed her onto the ground, and he started kicking her in the stomach and in the back. And then he took his other foot and he put it on the side of her face. And she was screaming, and he was like, saying there's not gonna be another time, and that he was going to kill her at this time. And I heard my mom screaming for help, obviously. And then he put his foot on the side of her face and pushed it into the ground. And I didn't hear her anymore, and. Sorry. And so I went to my mom's room, and I went at her end table, and I grabbed her. I grabbed her gun, and I went back out and I went to the door. The door was already open. And he had my mom on the ground, still. Still holding her to the ground, still kicking her. And I shot him. And nothing happened. He didn't fall. Nothing happened. And then Jeremy, he was sitting in the chair. He was sitting in the chair. Right.
- [81:40]
Annie Elise
You shot him. You know exactly who you shot him?
- [81:44]
Isabel Shaver
I'm not exactly sure. No.
- [81:47]
Annie Elise
Did you shoot him from the rear region or where. Where do you think you shot?
- [81:52]
Isabel Shaver
I was aiming towards his head, but I'm not sure where the bullet went.
- [81:58]
Annie Elise
Okay, and what happened after you fired the gun?
- [82:05]
Isabel Shaver
He was just sitting there. I mean, he wasn't moving. Nothing happened. There was no blood. There was no nothing. And then.
- [82:15]
Annie Elise
Okay, let me interject here and there, if I may.
- [82:18]
Isabel Shaver
Okay.
- [82:18]
Annie Elise
Did you feel when you fired that shot that that had to be done or he would have killed your mother?
- [82:27]
Isabel Shaver
Yes. Yes. Yes.
- [82:28]
Annie Elise
Firm on that?
- [82:29]
Isabel Shaver
I'm firm on that.
- [82:31]
Annie Elise
Was he using that type of force in your mind?
- [82:34]
Isabel Shaver
Yes.
- [82:34]
Annie Elise
It was necessary?
- [82:36]
Isabel Shaver
Yes.
- [82:37]
Annie Elise
Okay. What happened after you shot him, or.
- [82:42]
Isabel Shaver
You believe you shot him afterwards? Jeremy came and he. How long it was right. Like, right after it happened. Like I hadn't even had a chance to walk away, move, nothing yet. And he came in and he took the gun from me. And then he shot him again. And that's when he fell to the ground. And my mom had crawled away. He fell to the ground. Jeremy shot him. He took. He told us. He told my mom to take us out of the house, take us to school, and that we needed to leave. We are not to tell anybody. We can't tell nobody. We can't call the cops. We can't say anything. Or else he was gonna do the same thing to me and my brother. And he was gonna, you know, hurt us, too. So we went to school.
- [83:37]
Jeffrey Weggs
It almost seemed rehearsed and uncertain, leading a lot of people to believe that she had, in fact, been coached. So realizing now that Isabel's testimony had likely done more harm than good, the defense made a last minute, drastic decision. The very next day, Laurie, who was never originally set to testify, she took the stand. Laurie used her time in front of the jury to paint herself as a longtime victim of Mike's alleged abuse and once again claimed that she had filed for divorce, even though there was no legal record of it. She then gave her own account of the day that Mike died, telling a story nearly identical to Isabel's, claiming that Mike had unexpectedly returned to the house that morning, launched into a violent attack, and then was shot and killed. During the struggle, I knew he was sitting out there.
- [84:24]
Lori Shaver
I could see him through the kitchen window out in the back patio. So I went out there and we started talking, and it escalated, and I. I went to walk back in because this wasn't going anywhere and he was not leaving. And I opened the sliding glass door to go in. And when I did that, he took my phone and slammed it up against the sliding glass door. There was an imprint of my thumb on that sliding glass door. He grabbed my arm, pulled me down into his lap. And the furthest chair that was. I don't have a picture in front of me, but the sliding glass door, there was like a post, and there was a. We had, like, a bistro table sitting there in front. And on this further side, I guess, in front of the sliding glass door, there was a chair. So he had pulled me down in his lap. He was holding on to me. And at that point, I was just trying to convince him, like, okay, okay, okay, enough. We'll work it out.
- [85:42]
Annie Elise
What's he saying to you during this?
- [85:47]
Lori Shaver
He's just. He's. I. I was talking at that point. I was scared. That's what I'm saying. Okay, okay, okay. We can work it out. Because that's what I did every single time, because I was scared. I'm in his lap. He's holding me there.
- [86:00]
Annie Elise
Okay.
- [86:00]
Lori Shaver
And then he pushed me to the ground.
- [86:02]
Annie Elise
Okay. As he pushes you to the ground, does he do anything after he pushed.
- [86:09]
Lori Shaver
Me to the ground? He was kicking me in the stomach.
- [86:12]
Annie Elise
Okay. Presuming you were pregnant or something.
- [86:15]
Lori Shaver
And I had already told him I had the abortion, and I was screaming at that point.
- [86:20]
Annie Elise
Okay. Is he making any threats to do any harm to you? Any serious bodily harm?
- [86:28]
Lori Shaver
Yeah, I Mean, he said, not this time. He said I was not getting away.
- [86:33]
Annie Elise
Okay.
- [86:33]
Lori Shaver
At this time. I mean, we had been through so many events, but that's not the first time. I mean, he had pulled a gun out me at Publix in Glaremont. This was not the first time.
- [86:43]
Annie Elise
Okay, let's not talk about prior events. Okay? Yeah. I'm sorry. So you're on the ground and he's.
- [86:54]
Lori Shaver
Kicking you in the stomach.
- [86:56]
Annie Elise
Okay. Is he kicking you hard?
- [86:58]
Isabel Shaver
Yes.
- [87:01]
Annie Elise
Is he making any. Okay. Is he making any statements of any intent to kill you or anything of that nature? Okay. Is he speaking in such a level that the children could hear this?
- [87:17]
Lori Shaver
Oh, yeah, we both were.
- [87:19]
Annie Elise
Okay.
- [87:20]
Lori Shaver
I was screaming.
- [87:22]
Annie Elise
What's the next thing you recall?
- [87:28]
Lori Shaver
The next thing I see is I. I can't even say that I seen her. I more or less heard it, and then I. I think I seen her.
- [87:48]
Annie Elise
When you say her, who are you referring to? Isabel. What's Isabel do?
- [88:00]
Lori Shaver
Fire at a gunshot.
- [88:03]
Annie Elise
Now, when Isabel fires this gunshot, do you see where it lodged into Michael or what?
- [88:10]
Lori Shaver
I could not.
- [88:12]
Annie Elise
Where are you after Isabel fires the gun?
- [88:15]
Lori Shaver
Still on the ground.
- [88:19]
Annie Elise
The next thing you recall?
- [88:24]
Lori Shaver
The next thing I recall is seeing Jay, Jeremy, and hearing the gunshot essentially at the same time.
- [88:35]
Annie Elise
Is there much time that goes by between Isabelle shooting the gun? Jj?
- [88:43]
Isabel Shaver
No.
- [88:44]
Lori Shaver
It felt like forever. I. I remember looking at her.
- [88:47]
Annie Elise
Had you gotten off the ground?
- [88:49]
Lori Shaver
No. No, I had not. Michael was still sitting in the chair.
- [88:59]
Annie Elise
After Jay comes, you hear Jay discharge the fire. And after Jay discharges the firearm, what do you hear next or observe next?
- [89:17]
Lori Shaver
At that point, I started crawling away, but Michael fell forward out of the chair.
- [89:26]
Annie Elise
Fell forward on the chair.
- [89:28]
Lori Shaver
Out of the chair.
- [89:29]
Annie Elise
Okay. Was that after Jeremy shot or after Isabel shot? After Jeremy makes that shot. And to Michael, what happens after that?
- [89:51]
Lori Shaver
He. I got up. We went into the house. We went into Isabelle's room.
- [89:58]
Annie Elise
And who has the gun at that point?
- [90:03]
Lori Shaver
I don't. I don't recall that he had the gun. I don't know.
- [90:08]
Annie Elise
Okay.
- [90:09]
Lori Shaver
He was the last one with the gun.
- [90:11]
Annie Elise
Okay.
- [90:12]
Lori Shaver
I did not know what was going to happen after that, but I wanted to get the kids out, and the only place I had to take them was cool. It wasn't that far away.
- [90:27]
Annie Elise
So you take the kids to school, come back to the house. Is Michael there?
- [90:34]
Isabel Shaver
No.
- [90:35]
Annie Elise
Is Jay there?
- [90:37]
Lori Shaver
No.
- [90:39]
Jeffrey Weggs
Nope.
- [90:41]
Lori Shaver
No. And we had a conversation with Aiden. I remember that he had obviously heard commotion, and he didn't know what happened. He didn't see it. He was in his room, which was at the further end of the house. And I had just told him, your dad's gone away for a long, long time, and insinuated that he was going to j.
- [91:18]
Annie Elise
Now, did you see any fresh dug holes on the property as you walked about it or moved about it beyond that point?
- [91:27]
Jeffrey Weggs
No.
- [91:28]
Annie Elise
When Jeremy. When Jeremy said, I'll take care of this, did you have any reason to believe that that body was on your property?
- [91:38]
Lori Shaver
No, never. There's no way he could have. I wasn't gone that long where he could have. Finding out the dementia. No.
- [91:47]
Jeffrey Weggs
But the prosecution kept fighting back. I mean, the IP address, the credit cards, the text messages. Out of the entire five foot property. She just so happened to pour a new concrete slab directly over the spot that Mike's body was buried at. What's the likelihood of that? If you didn't know where he was buried, why would you pour the slab right there? Like, was it a coincidence? No, it's clearly a cover up. And in the end, they just argued the simple truth, that her story didn't add up. The fake text messages, the money trail, the concrete project, all of it, it pointed at the same conclusion. Laurie had killed Mike. And she had spent years trying to cover it up. So on September 13, 2024, after just four hours of deliberation, the jury found Laurie guilty of second degree murder with a firearm. She was acquitted of accessory after the fact, but two months later, in November 2024, at the age of 42, she was sentenced to life in prison. Laurie didn't speak at her sentencing, but in a 14 page letter to the state attorney's office, she still accused Jeremy of the murder and maintained her innocence. Which I think it's interesting because then it's like she backpedaled and she went from Jeremy to her daughter, now back to Jeremy. It just doesn't make sense. Meanwhile, her new husband, Travis, to this day still believes that Laurie is innocent and that she had nothing to do with Mike's death.
- [93:05]
Isabel Shaver
Death.
- [93:05]
Jeffrey Weggs
But a lot of people are divided out there. Some people think, okay, maybe her daughter did do it. I don't think so. Truly, in my heart of hearts, I don't. Many people believe Laurie did it, and some people even think Jeremy did it. So I am curious to know what you guys think. But this is one of those cases that just sticks with you. Not just because of all of the twists and the turns, but because of how long it took for the truth to finally come out. And it reminds us, you know, justice isn't always immediate. Sometimes it's Buried, literally and figuratively for years. But when the truth does finally surface, at least it brings a little bit of peace to the people who were left behind. As his family said, because they said it best. They said Michael will never be forgotten. We can be at peace knowing that the story is known by all. And that again, is just so powerful. And it reminds us why we talk about these cases and these stories. The family wants to make sure these stories are known by everybody, that his voice isn't forgotten. He was a father, he was a son. He was a great man. I mean, as long as the alleged abuse wasn't real, I will say that. Although even if it was, it doesn't warrant him being murdered. But you get what I'm saying. But now, even with Laurie behind bars, it's like questions still linger. Why did Isabel testify the way that she did? What really happened that day? And did Laurie act alone? Or is there still more to this story that we may never really know? So let me know what you guys think in the Spotify comment section or the Apple review section or if you're watching this on YouTube in the comments comment section. I'm curious to know your thoughts. I know this was a wild one, but I appreciate you guys hearing Mike's story and allowing his voice to continue to be heard. We'll see if we hear any more from Lori. I mean, it's relatively recent that she was sentenced, so I'd imagine we would. But stay tuned for that. Alright, thanks again guys for tuning in. I hope you have a great week. I'll be back with you on Thursday with headline highlights where we talk through everything happening this week in you of front true crime. And I'll be back again with you too next Monday for a deep dive. Alright? Until then, be nice, don't kill people. Say it with me. You know my new mantra, Just get a divorce. Right? And more than that, just stay safe. Alright, bye guys.