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Annie Elise (0:17)
Hey true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial.
Amy (0:32)
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Annie Elise (0:39)
Hello, hello, hello and welcome back to an all new episode of Serial Astley with me your true crime bestie, Annie Elise. And we have got headlines to talk about today. A lot of new cases actually. But there are a couple of updates that I want to go over with you guys first and I want to start with what's going on in Idaho right now. And I didn't think that I was going to have to utter this of crops name again, but there is some new information happening with Brian Coburger and some of it has been talked about for the last week. But I kind of want to break down for you what it really means. So basically we know that part of his plea agreement was that he was going to be ordered to pay restitution to the victim's families. Well now the defense is arguing that, saying that he shouldn't have to pay for their travel expenses, their lodging expenses, all of those things to which under Idaho state law, technically they don't need to pay for those parts of the expenses. But here's where it's going to get tricky as to how this could potentially lead to Bryan Coburger going back to trial. Let me first break down what the expenses are, what the judge ordered and everything like that. So the judge did order that he has to pay $3,000 to cover Maddie and Kaylee's earns, which I don't understand how that like equates to the going rate of murdering four kids is $3,000 for the urns. I think it should be far more. But there is that additional expense of the urns. We also know that over the last several months Brian has raked in about $30,000 in his commissary fund. This is coming from people who are choosing to donate to him whether they are a self proclaimed pro burger and think he's truly innocent, whether there's some sort of, I don't know, celebrity fanfare. And they're obsessed with him like people are obsessed with Chris Watts. For whatever reason, he now is nearly sitting on 30 grand in his commissary account. Yet he's arguing that he can't pay restitution or that he doesn't want to actually he's arguing both. He's saying I can't because I don't have a job and I don't want to because under the law I don't need to cover these specific line items. So they've been having different hearings, it's been going back and forth. But here's where it's getting interesting. And I was actually, I recorded on Nancy Grace's show earlier this week to talk about this. But and she breaks it down really great over there. She has a whole panel of experts and legal experts who break down what I'm going to try to regurgitate to you. But basically what this could potentially mean is he's going back now on what was in his agreement, in the signed contract where he agreed to pay the victim's family's restitution. And I believe there was a number that was about a quarter of a million dollars in total, something to that effect to where then it would be divvied out. You know, I don't know if it was at their discretion or whatever. Anyways, my point being the fact that now he and his team are pushing back on that. It could completely just negate the contract and the judge could say, you know what, if you're not going to pay restitution, then you're basically reading it on the deal. So we're, we are now going back to court. We are going to trial. Do I think that is going to happen? Probably not. I think that if push came to shove, I think that he would just pay the restitution to avoid going to trial. However, one of the panel guests on Nancy's show earlier this week did make a great point and they had said that because so much of the evidence has now been released, the recent 2,500 page document dump, the crime scene photos, the, the phone calls, all of these things now are out in the public arena. Not everything, but a good chunk of it. It could potentially work to the defense's favor. It's going to be very difficult now to find a jury pool that is not tainted. It would be able to argue all sorts of different things to either bring new witnesses in, keep witnesses out. So could it be strategy? I don't know. Maybe. I don't know if Brian Coburger is smart enough for that or his team, but possibly. But the judge was pretty pissed off in this and you can actually hear it in the recorded hearing because he asked Brian straight up why he even agreed to this deal in the first place if he never intended to pay or knew that he couldn't pay any of this restitution. And so it's going to be interesting to see where this shakes out. I don't know if I've mentioned it here on my show, but it is something I did talk about when I was doing the live tour. Another thing that has been going on in the background with Coburger these last few months. We all know that his team back in, gosh, early spring of 2025, tried to argue that the death penalty should be taken off the table due to an autism diagnosis that Brian had. Right. The judge ultimately declined it. Back in, I think it was April said the death penalty is absolutely going to stick. But then, as we know, when the trial was supposed to start in the summer is when the plea deal happened. However, they have in the last few months been resurfacing the paperwork about Brian's diagnosis and not only the autism diagnosis, but three others. There's a prescription for a thyroid condition. There was. What was the other one? It was avoidant food intake disorder. And then, gosh, there was one other. I can't think of it right now, but four diagnoses in total that they were now like resurfacing in a way to potentially. They haven't announced that they're going to do it yet, but to potentially argue that when he accepted the plea deal, he didn't fully understand the deal. And let me break that down a little bit more because I know I'm kind of scattering around a bit here. When he accepted the plea deal, there was no room for appeal. However, a lot of people, including some of the family members, were very upset about that. Because if you look deeply into the law, you know that there's never just a black and white. You can never appeal. There are always loopholes, always different ways you can appeal. Whether it's a new trial because new evidence has been found, ineffective counsel, or because you didn't fully understand the plea when you accepted it and put it into the court. So by them resurfacing these diagnosis is saying that he was diagnosed before he agreed and accepted this plea deal. A lot of people over the last several weeks, about six weeks, I'd say now, have been saying that it looks like the defense is potentially trying to lay the foundation and the groundwork for. For an appeal for him not fully understanding his rights. All of these things. I want to be very clear here. They have not announced anything that way and they have not made any filings indicating that that is what they plan to do. But by resurfacing the diagnosis and the paperwork, it appears that that's the direction that they might be going. So now with this restitution thing in play as well, it begs the question, are they throwing all sorts of different wrenches in what was a plea deal to only go back to trial? But now with a tainted jury pool, new evidence being out there, I don't think it would ever work to his advantage. I truly don't. I think if Brian Coburger were to stand trial tomorrow, he would face the firing squad. That's my personal opinion. But regardless where it ends up, and if he stays in prison, pays the restitution if it does go back to trial, it's like, these families have been put through enough. I think we can all agree on that. It's been over three years now. It's time to, like, just let this guy disintegrate into, like, the scum gutter of the prison system. But we'll see what goes on with this. The restitution and him refusing could result in the entire contract being voided. So TBD on that. I'm gonna watch it closely. But again, for more insights on that, you can watch Nancy's show from earlier this week. I believe it aired on Tuesday. But don't quote me on that. You can go check. And yeah, she breaks it down in detail as well as we talk a lot about the new Lifetime movie that is coming out, how pissed off Kaylee's family is about that. I've actually spoken personally with Kaylee's sister very briefly about that and how upset they are because not only were they not consulted about anything going on with the film, but the actors who are in this film are literally going into their trailer between takes and doing TikTok dances while in still in full wardrobe of the students. It's just very tactless, in my opinion. It just is disgusting. So we talk about a lot of that as well. And I don't think that anybody's surprised Lifetime is making a movie. And there's nothing. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Whether it's Lifetime, whether it's NBC, abc, whoever it is, people are always going to make recreations and movies about true crime cases. Unfortunately, that's just how it works. It's more so the handling of this that has the families so upset. So more to come on everything Coburger, which I was hoping we could just leave him back in 2025, but it looks like this, like, skeezy rodent is going to be coming with us into 2026, a little bit too. But more to come on that another update, Sandra Birchmore. We have talked about this case for, I believe the last two years. She was the young woman from Massachusetts who had joined the Police Cadet Academy when she was just 13 years old. It was called the Young Explorers Program and was groomed by a lot of the law enforcement guys like the older ones. There was also a lot of different layers involved and it became a big point of conversation because some of the same people involved in Sandra's case and the handling of her case were also involved in the infamous Karen Reed case. And we all know the disaster that happened within that case and had the mishandling of things and the COVID ups and all of that. But anyway, and that's regardless if you think Karen is innocent or guilty. I mean, the case was handled like complete. So anyway, Sandra Birchmore, she started in the Explorers program when she was 13. She was coerced and groomed into these relationships with these officers and then she ended up getting pregnant. She was found inside her apartment with a fabric or rope, I can't remember exactly the material attached to the doorknob. And it looked as though she had taken her own life. Come to find out, she thought she was pregnant by one of these officers that she had been having a sexual relationship with. He also went to her apartment that day and didn't want her to have the baby. He had another child born with his wife literally moments earlier. And so he ended up being arrested and charged with Sandra's murder and staging the crime scene. And that it was all, you know, the thought was okay, the motive was he wanted to cover up that she was pregnant with his child. Come to find out after DNA testing, it wasn't his child. So it's like you killed this girl and covered up the crime scene, made it look like something else because you were so scared that you were going to be caught. It wasn't even your kid, like a disaster. But anyway, there have been some updates in that case and we actually just did a full deep dive this week, week on Tend to Life so you can get fully caught up with that case. All of the updates, the whole backstory, it is a wild one. It really, really is. So if you're watching this on YouTube, it's right here on YouTube. But if you are listening to the audio version of this episode, what you're going to want to do is open up your podcast app, search the podcast 10 to Life and you'll see the episode there. Just a friendly reminder, new episodes come out Every single Tuesday over there. So you have new episodes every Monday, Tuesday and Thursday and every other Friday between the two podcasts. So Sandra Birchmore is over there, released this week. And the other update that I wanted to just briefly touch on before we get into today's cases is that the Brian Walsh trial is starting this week, and they finished up some hearings at the beginning of the week, and they were going into jury selection, but Brian Walsh is accused of murdering his wife, Anna Walsh. And this case we covered as well. I will link the deep dive for you so that you can get fully caught up before the trial is likely fully, you know. You know, in the throes of everything. But this guy's a. I mean, first of all, he looks like. Who's that character from Family Guy with the really square head? Quagmire. He looks like him. And he is a total. He, like, Googled all sorts of crazy things when she went missing. Things like how to dispose of a human body. What's the best way to, like, you know, basically a playbook. Playbook for a murderer. And they found all of his Google searches, and it's kind of been a wild ride since he's been in jail awaiting trial, too. So the trial is finally starting. We will cover it. I either will put the updates in headline highlights at the top of the episodes and bake them in, or if you feel like you just want an additional recap episode each week for this trial, since it is set to be a big one, let me know. We can definitely look into doing that. But I will link the deep dive to that case so that you can get fully caught up. That will be in the show notes. That was a lot of updates. I didn't mean to be talking to you for 13 minutes and 50 seconds, but there was a lot to go over. So now let's start getting into the new cases of this week. And I have a friendly face and a friendly voice who is back joining me to help cover these cases. Let's give a round of applause for Amy.
