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Hey, honey, just, you know, here thinking about you gonna. Not this but like bake some cookies. I miss you. I love you. Like all these things people do this. People want to act like they're in paradise before something happens so that it gets the smoke on some not smoke, gets the like stench off of them. Right. So that people don't look to you and they don't think that you are involved in this. So I don't know, the Porsche and the buying the property doesn't really sway my thought process on this. Maybe it does for you. Let me know. But I think that's probably just par for the course. They were talking about a property. Anna was building plans allegedly to leave him. And I'm sure that that was done in secret. So maybe this property, she was just appeasing him like, yeah, let's go look at it. Yeah, sure. We'll look at the Porsche too. Ready to kind of basically be like, bro, there's no Porsche, there's no property. I'm leaving your loser ass. And that could even be what conversation hat was had on New Year's Eve that made this whole thing blow up. Who knows? But then anyways, the prosecution continued their case and they brought in Richard Atkinson. He's a medical examiner. So he gave more details about the horrifying evidence that was found in Brian's car. Evidence that we had talked about in last week's episode. Now, this included a piece of rug that was covered in blood, a clump of brown hair, and a quarter inch long blood clot. A quarter inch long blood clot. I mean, this is horrific. And so we heard more about this and just again, the explanation is, well, yeah, he was dismembering her. He got rid of her body. Of course you're going to find DNA and those types of things and I'm getting ahead of myself a bit. So I apologize, but we will get there.

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So on cross for this, the defense jumped at the chance to bring up this whole sudden, unexpected death situation that we've talked about earlier. This is their grand theory of how Anna died. So Richard confirmed that yes, sometimes young, seemingly healthy people do just die. In fact, in sudden unexpected death accounts, there is a percentage attached to it. Apparently like 5 to 10% of all deaths are sudden, unexpected deaths. It can happen after physical exertion, stress, long travel. It even can happen after sexual. Just a little warning for all you, you know, people listening who are sexually active. Now, of course we know that Anna did travel a lot for work. She would go back and forth From Massachusetts to D.C. she was, you know, a hustler. She would grind. I would imagine she also carried an incredible amount of stress given the situation and what she was trying to potentially leave and a new life. She was trying to start trying to get her kids to D.C. but she couldn't because Brian was on house arrest for his fraud crimes. I mean, yeah, there is a lot of stress. So I could understand that being a possible argument. However, on redirect, the prosecution had Richard clarify and Richard said, and I want to quote it, he said it's definitely not common at all for a healthy 39 year old woman to just drop dead out of nowhere. So there you have it. Now the managing director at Ana's company also took the stand and she testified that Brian had contacted her on January 4 saying that he couldn't get a hold of Anna. And that's when the head of the company security had to be the one to basically be like, hey bro, if your wife is missing, you need to call the police. Why are you calling us? Call the police. And we did talk a little bit about that last week and we also now know that Brian admitted that this whole I can't reach her? Where is she? Is she at work? Have you heard from her? That whole thing was obviously a lie, which he admitted. And it kind of makes everything feel a little worse, right? Like your lie was even lazy, which you had to. You called your wife's workplace. They had to remind you to call her in as a missing person. It just seems like this guy was a complete every single step of the way and trying to cover this up. But I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I love to see it. I love when they're big, dumb and stupid because it makes it so much cleaner of a case for the prosecution to argue. Now, speaking of him being a complete, utter dweeby loser, we also saw footage from a liquor store on New Year's Eve, and it showed Brian walking toward a dumpster with plastic bags. Now, this is the third surveillance video that has him just on camera dropping off bags of trash at random dumpsters like it's a full time hobby. It reminds me a lot of Barry Morphew. It also think I said last week reminds me a lot of fotus doulos. Like, oh, I have all this trash. So no, I'm not going to take it to the dump. I'm not going to use my big bins that I wheel out on Fridays. I'm not even going to go to one location that has a big dumpster. I think all this McDonald's trash and all of this paper and garbage in my car, you know what? I'm going to scatter it. That's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to go to one dumpster. I'm going to scatter it. Even though it's nothing that I'm scared of people finding, I just feel like it wouldn't be a waste of my time to drive to three different dump sites and dispose of my garbage. Like, guys, come on, come on. And the creepiest part of all of this too is this liquor store wasn't even open. He was just cruising by in the dark, trying to dump his stuff, you know, into this dumpster. So obviously, he had no reason to even be at this liquor store unless he was there trying to ditch evidence. The employee, also from this liquor store, testified that he easily could identify Brian because Brian apparently hung out at this liquor store more than any other customer. He said it seemed like Brian really had nothing better to do on his weekends than just loiter in his liquor store. Which how embarrassing. How embarrassing and pathetic. Which look, I get. He was on house Arrest or whatever. So he couldn't really go a lot of places. He could go to the grocery store, apparently the liquor store. He had, you know, a certain list of approved places. So it limits your options of what you can do and where you can go. But just being the local idiot hanging out at a liquor, at a liquor store to where this owner or manager or employee or whatever isn't even saying like, yeah, we had homeless people come here a lot or we have, you know, the town alcoholic who comes in. A lot of. They identified Brian as being this guy, this guy who had nothing better to do than just loiter in this liquor store. And it's so pathetic when you really think about it because here Anna was this beautiful 39 year old woman with this, you know, 50 year old garbage pail man and she's out there making six figures a year, hustling, grinding, doing whatever she could do. And Brian was just this counterfeit, art fraud wannabe. Now just hanging out and boozing it up in a local liquor store. It's just beyond. And I don't know, I don't know, this guy is just like, he gets under my skin for so many different reasons and I just think he is like such a loser. And look, I get it. I'm not trying to say that Anna is the best model citizen. Obviously there are some things that I wish she probably had done differently and choices she made that were different in regards to the affair and all of that. Not to say that any of that is justifies murder or means she had it come in. Obviously not. But she was doing her best. She was doing her best with the cards that she was dealt. She got this job, met this guy who was arguably way more handsome than Brian, successful, wasn't trying to make a quick buck selling fake Andy Warhols. And did she handle it the right way? Maybe not, but certainly did not deserve to be murdered over it. And this guy Brian just looks like a freaking loser, dweeb, twerp from every lens you go, you look through. We also saw more footage of Brian wearing the blue latex gloves and the black mask while he was buying all of his cleaning supplies. Now get this. So we already talked about how he was at Lowe's, caught on camera buying 400 worth of cleaning supplies. And he also bought hydrogen peroxide at CVS, ammonia at Stop and Shop, and another $400 spent at home Depot on even more cleaning supplies. But what was finally confirmed and is one of the more devastating parts of this is that Brian and Ana's Young son was with him at Lowe's when he was buying this, which. Imagine bringing your child with you to pick up supplies to clean up their dead mother's body, regardless of how she died, whether it was murder, like the prosecution says, or sudden, unexplained death, like the defense wants us to believe. I mean, dragging your kid to the store to get cleanup supplies to dismember their mother's body is truly sick. And I don't know. I may have said this in last week's episode. I'm not sure. I can't recall where. We don't know. At least it hasn't been said that I have seen where Brian actually did dismember Ana's body. We know he bought a tarp. He bought, like, a hazmat type suit. He bought the tools. I would argue that it probably happened inside their garage or a basement. Meaning that not only did he take their young son along for this, you know, trip to the store to buy all of this cleaning supplies, but he may have dismembered Anna's body and stored her body and literally dismantled her entire body in the house while her sons were sleeping. And where they would wake up every day. And it was the holiday break, remember, they weren't back in school yet, I'm sure. So, like, it's so sick when you really break it down and think about what. How sinister this all is. And I just truly hope that these three kids are getting every bit of love and support that they possibly can and that they are with a loving family member. And it just. You. If you were watching the video version of this episode right now, you can see I have goosebumps. It just gives me the chills. It really does. Okay, so then Matthew Sheehan from the Massachusetts State Police Crime Land Crime Lab testified. Sorry. And he tested areas around the Walsh home, plus some of the evidence that was found in Brian's car and in the dumpsters that Brian was seen at. And he ended up finding stains all over the place that tested positive for blood. This included the basement floor, the basement stairs, two towels, pieces of carpet, a rug, a piece of tissue paper, a pair of slippers, a sponge, and even a clump of human hair that was matted with blood. And like I said, it looks like this all went down in the basement. Now, what's even scarier is all of the weapons and the tools that we had mentioned last week. The knife, the hammer, the hacksaw, the. That, you know, the hatchet, the wire cutters, all of those also tested positive for blood, which you would think that actually, I'm not even going to get into that of, like, what tools would be used on what body part. You can do the math and figure that out. But as we know, the defense admitted Brian did dispose of Anna's body. So none of this information that there's blood on all of these tools, none of that is exactly shocking. However, hearing how extensive and gruesome the evidence is, that is shocking. It's a lot. Plus, you have to remember that even though we know that Brian has pleaded guilty to moving Ana's body and lying to the police, the jury doesn't know anything about him pleading guilty. So this is all totally new to them. They don't know that he has admitted guilt for moving her body. Which I think that it's my opinion there's enough clear evidence that they wouldn't need to know that in order to reach their verdict. But we can talk more on that later, and I'm curious to know your thoughts on that. So the defense pointed out that for all of the blood that was found inside the house, none of it showed a splatter pattern, that it was basically just puddles and stains. And Matthew agreed that there were no splatters, which you would normally expect if there had been some sort of extreme violent incident, something like a stabbing or blunt force trauma or something like that. So this was, once again, now the defense trying to support their argument that, yeah, there is a ton of evidence that Brian cut up his wife's body, but. And disposed of her, but there's no actual proof that he killed her in the first place. The prosecution, though, brought up that any splatters could have easily been cleaned up. And Matthew also said that cleaning solutions such as hydrogen peroxide, ammonia, and bleach, they can all clean up blood stains, so much so to the point that they are undetectable. And those are all things that we know that Brian purchased shortly after Anna's death. So basically, they are saying, okay, just because there aren't any violent blood spatters or splatters, that doesn't mean that there weren't any to begin with. They could have just been cleaned up. Whereas meanwhile, the defense is saying, well, you can't find any splatters. All you have are little pools and drips. And that is, you know, that does tie back to the dismemberment. So prove that there was a crime here that happened though. A crime, you know, a homicide crime. Another thing that I found really interesting just in regards to the whole supplies cleanup, you know, Google search kind of of it all is. Matthew also testified that a bunch of the items that he tested were covered in a white powder. It was later confirmed that it was baking powder. Which this is where it kind of gets interesting. It goes back to them being dumb and stupid. And by them, I mean Brian. Because where have we heard baking powder before In Brian's Google search history, he had searched can baking soda make a dead body smell good? But apparently in all of those errands that Brian ran across the entire freaking state picking up supplies, he couldn't even manage to grab the right item. He was supposed to be getting baking. I'm sorry, I'm like having a stroke. He was supposed to be getting baking soda, not baking powder. And he got the wrong thing. So not to be rude, but he doesn't exactly scream genius criminal mastermind. Sorry guys, I need to take another break. I'm talking so much and usually I cut these little like water moments out so that it's a cleaner episode. But we're just getting into it. We're just hanging together. So hold on.

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Annie Elise (32:02)

Okay, let's continue. So the prosecution then called several DNA experts including Simon Saleem. This is he was from the Massachusetts State Police crime lab and they testified that the inside of those bloody slippers and the Tyvek suit that was found in the dumpster, which the Tyvek suit is basically like the Hazmat suit, they both contained DNA consistent with both Anna and Brian. The sample of human tissue that was found in the dumpster was also consistent with belonging to Anna. Anna's DNA was also all over the basement floor. The blade of the hacksaw, the blade of the hatchet as well, which the defense fired back that everything that was found in those trash bags could have easily been cross contaminated either by items in the same bag or from other bags. So because of that there's really no Way to know what the evidence looked like before it got tossed in altogether and just compacted together. Which, yes, is technically possible, but also, I mean, come on. Like, come on. How else would blood and Ana's DNA end up in that dumpster? It does not make sense. It kind of feels like a weak argument, if you ask me. So midweek was a huge day for the prosecution because in this part of the trial, they called Jem Mutlu to the stand. Or Mutlu. Sorry, I'm pronouncing things wrong now. Jem was. Oh, sorry, what? My notes here are going off screen. Okay, so Jem was Anna's boss and had also been at that New Year's Eve dinner with Brian and Anna, meaning he was basically the last person to see Anna alive, aside from Brian. And Jem wasn't just Ana's boss. He was also a really close friend to the whole family. He said that Ana was like a sister to him. He even thought of the Walsh kids as his own. And he actually got very emotional as he told the jury about the last time that he saw Ana at this New Year's Eve party, saying that she was in a great mood. She was wearing a brand new ring. Brian seemed totally normal and happy, and he knew that Ana had been stressed about work and also stressed about not seeing her kids enough. He admitted he also knew about some marital issues that were going on between Brian and Ana. But he also said that he had never seen Brian act jealous. He also didn't know about any plans for Ana to leave Brian. And he said he couldn't even recall ever seeing the two of them argue. He also added, and I want to quote this, I always thought that there was a lot of love between them and that she was very much in love with Brian. Now we got a very different perspective when the prosecution called Ana's other close friend, Alyssa Kirby. Now, Alyssa said that Ana called her very upset on December 29, 2022. So just a couple of days before her death and before the New Year's Eve party or dinner, what, you know, whatever you want to call it. And she's described Ana as at a, quote, breaking point in her marriage, especially with Brian's art fraud case dragging just everything down, where they could live, their expenses, what they owed, all of these things. Ana also felt like Brian wasn't taking any responsibility, that he kept trying to delay his sentencing. And according to Alyssa, Brian was so depressed over the case that the two of them, Brian and Ana, hadn't even been intimate with one another in over a year. She Also said that Brian would constantly ask Ana how much she loved him. Just kind of needing that reassurance, but then not saying I love you back to Anna. So asking for that reassurance from her. Tell me you love me. Do you still love me? How much? How much? And then not reciprocating it, which it's kind of given desperado, if you ask me. And I know every, you know, marriage is always ebb and flow with intimacy with, you know, being head over heels in love with each other or showing that love and PDA and all that. It's always going to ebb and flow. They had been married at this point for what? They got married in 2015. So seven years. Seven year itch, I guess you could argue in there. But I don't know. For him to. For them to not be intimate with one another for over a year, then for him to constantly need this reassurance, it's just kind of given, I don't know. Don't love it. Now, Alyssa also said that not only did Ana admit to her that she had a crush on William, she apparently also admitted it to Brian. And Alyssa said that Brian was actually pretty cool about it, or at least he acted that way on the outside, which I don't know what would drive Anna to tell Brian, her husband, that she had a crush on somebody that she's working with, unless you're really trying to make him insecure. But it at least does prove that Brian knew about Anna's attraction to William, which prosecution, of course, is arguing is a huge motive for why Brian would want her dead. That's also who knows when that timing all lined up. But we know he searched William's name as well. According to Alyssa, Brian's mom had gone and seen a psychic. And the psychic told her that Ana was having an affair. And that really upset Ana because I don't know if she was just mad that the mother was meddling and getting involved or because she was getting exposed, because of course, it turned out to be true. But Ana was upset that her mother in law would kind of go out of her way to figure out if Anna was being faithful and go see a psychic over it. And apparently this had all been building for quite some time. Anna felt like Brian's mom never really liked her, always wanted her out of the picture. And so now she was kind of finding a way to make that reality, which again, I'd be curious to know if, I mean, if Anna really was having plans to leave Brian and wanted to build a future with William, I guess you still would be upset that your mother in law is meddling and that she's trying to get you out of the picture because you would want to handle it on your own and you wouldn't want to make things messy, messier, but it just feels like a very toxic and messy situation. So after hearing from honest friends at the very end of the day on Wednesday, we got very surprising news that the prosecution was arresting their case. This was after only eight days of testimony. And honestly this not only surprised me guys, it surprised everyone. Because originally the trial was supposed to go four to six weeks. Then we know it was scaled back a little bit, but this still seemed really quick. And a lot of people are wondering if the prosecution has done enough to convict Brian of murder. Now personally, I completely agree that they have shown a ton of evidence that Brian dismembered Ana, that he dumped her body. I think they also have shown a ton of evidence that he lied to the police and quite honestly, a ton of evidence that he's just like an asshole. And I think that there is indication of motive and premeditation, especially for the Google searches before Ana disappeared. But at this point there isn't a lot of truly rock solid proof that he actually murdered her. I mean, the prosecution did establish, like I said, some strong motives for why Brian would want Anna dead. We also know that he was the last person to see her alive. But in terms of actual non circumstantial proof, it's difficult to say that they have presented that they do have the Google searches from before she disappeared of the boyfriend of best place to divorce, the porn search as well that I mentioned last week that said like cheating wife gets impregnated, things like that. But they also have the Google searches, if you remember the ones that happened after she disappeared that had the word murder explicitly in them. How to get away with murder, can you get charged with murder with no body, things like that, to where? If this was a cover up, would he have actually thrown murder into the search engine the way he did or into the actual search he made? Probably not, but I don't know. I mean the truth is that without Anna's body, it could be really difficult to convince any jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Absolutely, and I think it's pretty obvious. But I also think I know more than the jury probably knows because I know about the other two charges he admitted guilt to. I feel like, I mean there isn't I guess a whole lot, but I mean there's enough to where I feel like I have a bigger picture of the case as a whole than probably the jury does of just this one lens of, did he murder her? Yes or no? Is there enough proof to say that he murdered her? Yes or no. But personally, I'm hoping that the jury uses some common sense and says, you know, like, hey, if she really did die of some unexplained medical event, any reasonable person would have called for help immediately. They wouldn't have jumped to the solution of, oop, gotta get rid of her body, gotta dismember her, gotta cover my ass, gotta Google all these things. Any reasonable person would've been like, oh, my God, Anna, you're not waking up. 911, call for help. Help me, help me. That's not at all what happened. Instead, there was plotting, there was scheming, there were sinister Google searches. There were trips to buy cleaning supplies where he tried to hide and disguise with face masks and face masks and latex gloves. There was the fake alibi, there was the lie about her going in the ride share and the taxi. But again, we don't, we. I don't think the jury knows all of the intricacies in this case. So I don't know. I mean, the fact that he did all of this to me, it definitely points to murder, in my opinion, and I'm hoping that the jury sees it that way too. But as we all know, it's always difficult to know what they're thinking. So the prosecution rested. So then as of Friday, or, sorry, today's Friday, as of Thursday, the defense was going to present their case. And I mentioned last week, it's kind of been interesting because we've all been wondering, is Brian going to testify? The defense alluded that he may testify early on, saying, we just are really excited for the jury to hear his side of the story and things like that. So we're like, whoa, does that mean he's going to throw a Hail Mary and he's going to actually testify here? And not only is Brian Walsh not testifying, but the defense didn't call any witnesses. They rested their case almost immediately. And I think that the judge was kind of pissed because the jury came in for court on Thursday, they rested their case. They could have had they known they weren't going to call any witnesses. They could have gone to closing arguments right away and then the jury could go out and be, you know, do go for the verdict. But essentially it was a big waste of the jury's time, which the court hates to do. Like the judge absolutely does not like wasting the jury's time. So for them to be called in, brought in, only to be told, oh, there's no witnesses now, we're not even going to move forward with closing statements until tomorrow. You guys all have to go home. I think the judge was probably pissed, but there is a possibility that things weren't planned that way, that they didn't know that they weren't going to call any witnesses until the morning of. And what I mean by that is very. It very well is possible that Brian was going to testify and then the morning of just decided, I'm not going to testify for whatever reason either. He's too scared, he's too nervous. They feel like it wouldn't be a good strategy anymore, whatever the reason is. And he could have just like flipped it on a dime, who knows? But the point is, the defense rested, no witnesses, Brian not testifying, and it's going directly to closings. So today, right now, closing arguments are happening. And so my question is, will the jury get it right? How long are these closings going to be? How long will the jury take to reach a verdict? And I think we probably will have a verdict by the end of the day. That's my guess. I really do. And so, because I'm putting this out right now, obviously the verdict is not included in this episode. However, I will be updating all of you in real time as these closings are happening right now on my Instagram. So if you're not following already, go search, do a quick follow. It's at Underscore Annie Elise. And I'm going to post on there anything crazy or wild that happens during closings, which I don't anticipate there to be anything super out of the ordinary. But I also will then post as soon as we have the verdict, so we'll see if they get it right. Do you think that there is enough evidence to prove that he is guilty of murder or do you think that there is enough reasonable doubt for the jury? I think it's a pretty slam dunk case. But I don't know, I've thought that before. And look where we got with Barry Morphew. Even though he didn't go to trial, but like, then he was, you know, charges were dropped, then it was re, you know, refiled and now he is going to be going to trial. Casey Anthony, we all know what that shitbag situation ended up like. So I have definitely been surprised before. So I hope they get it right. But we will see. All right, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of Serial Lessly as it was a bonus episode as you know. So we do do these episodes from time to time because there's something really important I want to talk with you about. So make sure you're following the podcast if you're not already so that you don't miss those episodes. It's free. Just, you know, open your podcast app and press the follow button and then on YouTube hit the subscribe button so that you don't miss these episodes. And YouTube has been like really finicky lately. Unsubscribing people, they do this like twice a year. And I always see in the comments like I thought I was subscribed, I had to resubscribe again. So maybe just double check that you are subscribed. All right guys, that's what I've got for you today. Let me know what you think. I will keep you updated on Verdict Watch on all of the things over on Instagram at Underscore Annie Elise until the next one, be nice. Don't kill people. Don't join any cults. Maybe stay away from people named Brian. I mean Brian Laundrie, Brian Coburger, Brian Walsh. 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