B (7:43)

I heard you refer to me as Amy o'. Brien.

A (7:46)

Hello, Amy o' Brien and welcome to Headline Hilah.

B (7:48)

Thank you so much. Pleasure being back. Haven't seen you before.

A (7:52)

Thanks for being A guest.

B (7:54)

Heller.

A (7:54)

Hello, Heller. Welcome. So, obviously, we have a lot of cases to talk about today, but I know something you and I have been talking about a lot over the last few days. Is everything going on with Rob Reiner, the director, so sad. And the shootings. And I don't know if you saw, but the suspect that they had in custody for the shootings at Brown University has now been released, and they're still looking for somebody as of this recording.

B (8:17)

Well, yeah. And when I saw that, it was like. It's like a roller coaster, because I was thinking of myself being in that community. It's small. You are on alert for hours. Then you have that peace of mind. Now they're back out, and they've been out. I mean, so it's not even their back out. They're out. And I actually asked somebody in law enforcement just their opinion.

A (8:35)

You can say who it is, Derek? Yeah, you can say.

B (8:38)

I know.

A (8:39)

They don't start the rumors, guys.

B (8:40)

They're friends. The rumor friends.

A (8:43)

We all met at crycon.

B (8:45)

All right, relax. But, yeah, no, I was messaging with him because, first of all, he sent out that update, like, late night on Saturday, I think it was. Yeah. Where he was saying, like, there's somebody out if you know, and he's from that area. But then when I saw that they were released, I said, do you think that they got the right person and just didn't have enough to hold them, or do you think they had the wrong person? And he. I don't want to quote him, but was saying he thinks that they probably got the wrong person. If it was the right person, they would have been able to hold them. So that's when I started going, oh, my gosh. Now this community is thinking, we haven't been safe this whole time that we thought we were.

A (9:21)

Yeah. Nobody's, like, buckled down anymore, relaxed on.

B (9:23)

Their safety measures, so.

A (9:25)

And what led them to that other person that they were so sure that he was the guy?

B (9:30)

And could you imagine being that person if you really weren't involved? And they're like.

A (9:34)

They're all, we know you're responsible. You're. What's happening right now.

B (9:37)

Your family.

A (9:38)

Yeah. What even people now who saw his picture because it was plastered everywhere. I'm not going to say his name, obviously, because he was, you know, let go. But imagine people who haven't heard the update that he's not involved, and, like, just see him walking around like, that's something that. That's a stain that lives with you.

B (9:53)

Sure.

A (9:53)

And that's Awful.

B (9:54)

I know it'll be interesting to see. Yeah. Like you said, what led them to him. And then I know where this other person is.

A (10:00)

Yeah. I mean, as of this recording, nobody else has been arrest, but hopefully they do make an arrest fairly quickly. But obviously our thoughts are with everybody who is affected at Brown University. And I mean, this Rob Reiner crime is like insane. When it first broke, I know we were messaging and it looked early on like it was probably the son involved. Then it was confirmed. He's been arrested. He's on a $4 million bail bond or whatever. Or $4 million bond has been. Can't talk for. His bail has been set at $4 million. Why am I having such a hard time?

B (10:30)

Well, the first headline I read was just people resembling the or of the same or two people were found deceased in a home that was showing ownership of Rob Reiner. So it was like, again, just details kept coming out and the I. Then the son, which I think you were the first one that told me you thought it was the sun.

A (10:48)

I always think guilty first and hopefully it usually pans out that I'm right and I'm not just like out there accusing people. But, yeah, he's now been arrested and it's really sad because I obviously haven't done a deep dive into it yet, but there is a history there of drug abuse, homelessness, some family turmoil. But from what I've seen, and I obviously don't know all the details, it seems like his dad, Rob, was actively trying to help him and support him over the years. In fact, a lot of the news coverage is showing photos of them together at red carpet events and, like, big, huge things in the industry. And so the brutality of it was pretty gnarly. It was death by stabbing, double homicide, his mom and his dad and their throats were slit. And it's. Yeah, it's awful.

B (11:30)

And then, of course, the Australia shooting. I know it was just a weekend full of.

A (11:34)

It was. It was a rough weekend.

B (11:36)

So badly for all those families.

A (11:37)

I know there is a lot happening out there.

B (11:40)

So let's report on some Christmas miracles and some good news.

A (11:45)

Emmy smiled at me this morning. That's a Christmas miracle.

B (11:48)

That's a current event that deserves some recognition.

A (11:50)

I know. She didn't tell me she hated my outfit. So I guess we have a win there.

B (11:55)

Um.

A (11:56)

Yeah, it's awful. It's awful. And actually, this first case that we're going to get into, I'm going to just jump right in because it's out of Texas, which I know we've been talking about Texas and Florida a lot, it feels like, but this first case is out of Texas and it's one that it really does make you kind of stop and go, wait, what? Why would somebody do that? What's going on? Because what started as a teenage breakup, it turned into something completely unimaginable. And honestly kind of has me wondering like why? I still don't get it. So on the evening of December 9, police in Odessa, Texas started getting a ton of frantic calls. Around 5:45pm, people inside an apartment complex were reporting that they were hearing gunfire coming from inside one of the units. So obviously officers rushed to the scene, probably expecting chaos or, I don't know, maybe a shootout. But nothing prepared them for what they actually walked into. Inside the apartment, police found three people shot and killed. A 39 year old woman, Jessica Rodriguez, and then two of her children, her 13 year old daughter and her 9 year old son. All three of them were pronounced dead at the scene. Now, as the investigators started piecing together what led up to this, the suspect list, like the pool kind of just like got smaller and smaller and smaller. And the suspect very quickly became clear. The shooter was actually the ex boyfriend of the other teenage girl who lived in the apartment. Not the one who was unfortunately shot and killed, but the other one. According to reports, this boy had actually planned to kill his ex girlfriend outside of her school. But then for whatever reason, he changed his mind and he decided that a better course of action would be to go kill her entire family at their home instead. Now like I said, why, we don't really know. But when he got there, he went inside, killed her mom, her brother and her sister. And then like the coward little twerpy piece of shit he is, he ran. It's unclear if his ex girlfriend, who he originally planned to kill, was inside the apartment that night when all of this went down. But the police did say later that she was not physically hurt. But I don't Even know, he's 15 years old, okay? So the fact that he wanted to kill one person is obviously concerning and scary enough. But then the fact that something switched in his mind and he's like, you know what, I'm actually not going to kill her because I hate her so much. I'm going to kill her whole family. That is like a next level step of evil and like strategizing and really trying to hurt someone. Like I said, he took off. And after learning that he ran from the apartment building, the police immediately set up a search of the area and it only took about 40 minutes and they found him and took him into custody. Now, because he's only 15 years old, his name has not been released. But despite his age, he was arrested obviously on some very serious charges. I mean, three counts of capital murder. Police also confirmed that they recovered a handgun which is believed to be the one that he used during this horrific triple murder. And now a major focus of the investigation is figuring out how this 15 year old kid even got access to a gun in the first place. I mean, I know it's easy these days to get a weapon, but like a 15 year old kid, is it really that easy? Police have said that he did tell them how he got it, but that they don't necessarily believe him. So they're actively trying to figure out if his story is legit or not. The Odessa police chief described the shooting as, quote, a tragic and cowardly act of violence. And he said that it's left this entire community trying to wrap their heads around how something this extreme could have come out of just a regular teenage breakup. A motive also hasn't been released, but obviously with something like this, there's always going to be a level of speculation and, and people are thinking that maybe he originally planned to kill his girl, the ex girlfriend, like if I can't have you, nobody can. But then decided that better revenge would be to take out her whole family and leave her with nobody and with nothing and with that guilt. I don't really know. It's sick. Whatever his motive was and whatever his thought process was, but I can't imagine this young teenage girl now trying to like grapple with the fact that she lost her siblings and her mom, but now also living with the trauma that she was the not, I don't want to say the responsible or the reason because that's not how I mean it. But like that carrying the weight of knowing that because of the guy that you dated, your family is no longer there. It's like the kind of trauma I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy because obviously it's not her fault. He made his decision. He is the one responsible for those actions. But like, how do you even begin to justify that in your own mind? Not until I would imagine after a lot of therapy. It's just sad. And the whole, their, her entire life is now destroyed and it's sick.

B (16:47)

It's. I was, it's weird that we're like covering the story because I, over the weekend was looking at something on social media and it was either that Or a podcast with some doctor. And they were saying, sorry, that's not very specific, but they were saying that revenge is, like, the strongest drug and that it is so powerful. So I would imagine, especially in teenage mind that's not fully formed, that it can cause you to do, like, they've just seen the craziest outcome from revenge and that it just overtakes you and you have no reason. And it's like you're a teenager, that's there's plenty of fish out in the sea. There's no need to, like, destroy this person's entire life.

A (17:27)

I mean, I get being impulsive and wanting that, like, instant gratification. I mean, we've talked about it too. Like, when you're taught, like, rapid firing with an ex and you're like, just want to say something that's gonna, like, you know it's gonna hurt them or. Or something like that. And it's like, in hindsight, you're like, I wish I would have, like, slept on it, and I would have changed my mind about sending that message the following morning. But never have I ever been so vengeful that I wanted revenge to where something this dark has crossed my mind. I mean, like, trying to think. I don't even know the biggest thing I've done for revenge. Maybe the email.

B (18:01)

Oh, it's so good.

A (18:03)

It was good.

B (18:04)

That was a long story to tell one time, but that was revenge on a friend.

A (18:08)

That was on. Yeah, that was on. Maybe for Patreon.

B (18:10)

That would be a good one.

A (18:12)

That was a good one.

B (18:13)

I would want you to read it all.

A (18:14)

I was justified in that revenge 100%.

B (18:17)

And it's been proven over and over again.

A (18:19)

Here we are.

B (18:19)

We're, like, still in it.

A (18:21)

Yeah, we're still in it. We're like, sleep on it. Don't overreact.

B (18:24)

Let's post the email. Wait, remember that email?

A (18:28)

Fuck, yeah. Let's talk about it. This was also guys. What, 2015.

B (18:33)

So a love triangle? That wasn't even a love triangle.

A (18:38)

No, it was like, I'm gonna get mad all over again. So I'm. Forget it. Forget it. Okay. But yeah, it is really sad because now it's like this poor girl and this guy, and I wonder what he will tell the police. Like, was the motive just to hurt her? I mean, it makes sense. And, like, not to get too personal here, but it reminds me of some stuff in our past with someone you had dated where it's like they could, rather than hurting you, get to the other people to hurt you. At a deeper level because they know.

B (19:05)

When you're like, you care about your family the most.

A (19:07)

Yeah. Oh, God, it makes me sick. It really does.

B (19:09)

Well, thanks for bringing that up.

A (19:12)

You're welcome.

B (19:13)

Perfect.

A (19:14)

Really have dated some winners there, Amy. Just kidding. Just kidding.

B (19:18)

Still not learning at this ripe age. Okay, well, there are some cases that shock you, and then there's others that leave you struggling. Like, how did this even happen? You can't believe it. And this next case is one of those.

A (19:31)

So.

B (19:31)

On December 4, police in Westminster, Colorado, responded to reports of a suspicious death and made a horrifying discovery. Near Willowbrook park, inside of a trash can, officers found a woman's body wrapped inside of a blanket, and they had determined that she had been dead for several days. The body they found was that of Annette Marie Valdez, a 37 year old mother of three who had been missing for a few days. Annette was last seen alive around November 28 after spending time with family for Thanksgiving. And when she didn't return home and stopped responding to all her calls. And her family immediately knew that something was wrong. And according to court documents, her ex, boyfriend and father of her children, Thomas Lee Perales, was the last person to be seen with her. Police had said that Thomas killed Annette sometime during the weekend after Thanksgiving during an argument. But what he did after that was the most shocking part. It wasn't an attempt to cover up this crime like we often see. It was something far more chilling. Investigators allege that Thomas wrapped Annette's body in blankets, placed her in a shopping cart, and pushed her body around the city for days before ultimately dumping her remains in a trash can near the park. See, Thomas was reportedly homeless at the time, and several witnesses came forward saying they saw him moving Annette's body in the shopping cart. Many of them also say that he was relying on parks and public spaces for shelter, but wasn't trying to hide that shopping cart at all. It was just in plain sight, and he was pushing it around. One witness also came forward and told police that Thomas admitted to what he did, allegedly saying, you know, I killed my wife and paraded her around. And what makes this even more difficult to hear is that it wasn't a surprise to anyone, including law enforcement. And we also, unfortunately, hear this all the time, and this case is no different. Thomas and Annette had long documented history of domestic violence, and over the past two years, police had responded to dozens of calls involving the couple. Annette had multiple protection orders against Thomas alleging this ongoing abuse. And in fact, one incident just weeks before her death Police say Thomas had attempted to force his way into her apartment, damaging her door and her ring camera while she was inside. And then after that incident, Thomas was arrested. But despite everything he had done, he was released from jail on November 21, which was just one week before Annette was last seen alive. And after Annette's body was found, Thomas was then charged with first degree murder, tampering with a deceased human body, domestic violence as a habitual offender, and multiple violations of a protection order. And prosecutors, unfortunately, say that this case reflected a pattern of escalating violence and repeated system failures that left Annette exposed to the person that was most likely going to kill her. So, obviously, this is extremely sad. Annette leaves behind her three kids, which are now in the care of extended family, and her loved ones say they did everything they could to keep her safe from Thomas. But now, instead of spending the holidays with her family, they're mourning her and trying to heal from this horror that happened. And it's like, again, what could she have done more to protect herself?

A (22:44)

It's frustrating because I feel like we talk about it so often, restraining orders, protective orders, all of these things, it doesn't really ever help you, because if that person isn't scared of, you know, being held accountable or being arrested, if their hate is more powerful than that, it's like it does nothing but potentially even further fuel them, which I would never suggest. Somebody doesn't go through the process of getting a restraining order. Absolutely. You want a documented trail. You want to take whatever steps possible to protect yourselves. But it's just sad because we hear about it where he's like, oh, not even surprised. She was scared of him. This was ongoing. She went to court. She had a million restraining orders against him. He violated. It's like, okay, well, where's the next protection that? Why was he released?

B (23:29)

And that's when the charge of, like, a habitual abuser, like, I don't even think I've ever heard that before. But then why are we here again?

A (23:36)

Exactly. And not to say that they need to, like, have harsher rules or sentences for people who don't have a job or who don't have a home or anything like that. Obviously not. However, I think, too, when you look at the context, if they have nothing to lose or if they don't have something, they're contributing to society in a way of, like, they have a family they're supporting, they're working, they're going to classes or treatment or doing something to better their lives. Like, wouldn't you take that into Consideration too, to where it's like, if you're gonna let that person back out on the street, what? You know, when this was just a.

B (24:12)

Week ago that he was in custody, and then exactly a week later it's happened. I've always said there needs to be something set up, and I know it's easier said than done, but first, victims of stalking, victims of domestic violence, for these time periods where it's like the most volatile, they're just released. They're probably angry, seeking revenge. They're vindictive. And it's like that's when they're.

A (24:32)

That's when they need the protection the most. Yes, I agree. It's so sad. And now her kids right before Christmas. I know.

B (24:39)

Awful. Awful.

A (24:46)

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She had traveled back home to Costa Rica, which honestly, at first that explanation, it didn't sound totally unreasonable. I mean, Costa Rica was where Sylvia was from, so it totally made sense on the surface. But then things started to feel a little bit off. Investigators started looking into Sylvia's phone activity and it did not show any signs of international travel. In fact, the last ping from her phone came from inside their family home. On top of that, her personal belongings were all still inside the the house. So the longer that she, you know, stayed away, the more it became clear that something was not lining up here. And as the police dug deeper and deeper, they realized this actually was not a disappearance at all. It was a homicide. According to prosecutors, Sylvia was killed inside the office of her own home. And authorities alleged that her 18 year old son Gabriel admitted to beating his mom to death with a baseball bat, striking her multiple times, all while his dad, her husband David, just watched. And investigators described this scene as brutal. I mean, there was blood everywhere on the walls, on the furniture, on the floors. And the amount of blood, it painted a picture of an extremely violent and very prolonged attack. Now, when the police questioned her husband David about it, he claimed that he had been asleep through the entire thing. However, that explanation, it immediately Raised red flags, because there is just no way in hell somebody could sleep through that level of violence. I mean, not with the blood, not with the chaos of the scene, the noises. I mean, hello. Obviously not. And especially not when her own son, Gabriel, told investigators that David was just watching as it happened. So, I mean, what the heck was really going on inside that house? And then the investigators learned that this did not stop with just the murder. Gabriel told the police that after his mom, Sylvia, died, he and his dad rolled her body up inside a carpet, moved it outside, and then burned it in a fire pit. He said that they were out there all night long, just continuously feeding wood into the fire to keep it burning. Later, Sylvia's charred remains were found on the property. So both Gabriel and David were arrested, and they were charged with first degree murder and abuse of a corpse. Gabriel, who is accused of carrying out the actual killing, is being held without bond, while David's bond was set at $250,000. So this case has since been sent to a grand jury, which means that prosecutors believe that they do have enough evidence for this officially to move forward. But what makes this case just especially disturbing isn't just the violence. I mean, obviously that is horrific and, like, super gnarly, but it's the betrayal at the center of it all. Her own son doing this to her while her husband watched his father watch. Like, what? What are you even talking about? And what is the motive here? I mean, it'll be interesting to find out, but on what? In what scenario, I guess, would a father and a husband just stand by and watch this happen? Unless there was something financially driven about it. I mean, maybe there's something else. I don't know. But, like, why else would you both co sign on this murder? It just does not make sense to me. And Sylvia was described as a very loving and devoted mother who gave Gabriel everything. Her nephew even said, if you ever got to know her a little bit, your life was always enriched. So as this case continues through the court system, we are going to be watching this very closely to see how the prosecution lays out the full timeline and what accountability ultimately looks like for Gabriel and David. But it's awful. I mean, obviously, Sylvia didn't leave the country. She never had the chance to leave at all. They plotted and planned. Well, I don't know if they planned this, but they did this, and then they planned and schemed for the COVID up. And again, what on earth could motivate somebody to do this and to, like, co sign it?

B (31:41)

And at 18 years old. I feel like you know enough to make right and wrong decisions, but you're still impressionable to some degree. Of course. But what could possibly be enough to motivate you to do that and throw your whole life.

A (31:54)

No, I know. And then like. And the dad just sitting back watching and being. All right, let's roll her up now on the carpet. Let's go burn her outside. Hey, bud, let's crack a beer and throw fire on the fire pit the whole night. Like what?

B (32:05)

And that poor, poor woman.

A (32:07)

I know.

B (32:07)

The ultimate betrayal.

A (32:09)

We all, we always talk about those moments when it's. Whether it's a child, a parent, whatever it is, when you're in that moment and somebody is taking your life and you have that realization of like, the person you trust the most and the person you love the most is the one doing this to like what? That sinking feeling.

B (32:23)

I can't even imagine. It's like. It gives me chills.

A (32:26)

I know.

B (32:26)

Makes me sick to myself.

A (32:27)

It's awful. So these loser scumbags, I hope they rot in prison. What the fuck?

B (32:33)

Yeah, absolutely.

A (32:35)

God.

B (32:36)

Well, this next one's unusual, not just because of the crime, but it's a case that's now become a huge major civil lawsuit involving AI.

A (32:47)

Oh boy.

B (32:47)

And my feeling is that we're going to start to see more and more of that, of these cases. And I'm personally interested in this because it's crazy how AI has like taken our world by storm.

A (32:58)

I know.

B (32:59)

This case comes out of Greenwich, Connecticut, where police were called to a home that started as a basic welfare check. But when officers went inside, they made a heartbreaking discovery. Inside were 83 year old Suzanne Everson Adams and her 56 year old son Stein Eric Solberg. And both were dead. From the start, investigators knew something here just wasn't right. According to police and the medical examiner, Suzanne had several visible injuries. And it was later determined that she had suffered blunt force trauma to her head and neck. Compression meaning that she had been beaten and strangled and that the injuries were enough to actually kill her. And her death was then labeled as a murder. Stein Eric also had injuries, but his were very different in nature. According to the medical examiner, he had several self inflicted sharp force wounds to his neck and chest. And based on the injuries he had, his death was later ruled a suicide. And as investigators worked to understand what happened inside the home, they began looking closely at the relationship between Suzanne and Stein Erich and where maybe things going on in months leading up to this tragic scene may offer some clues. According to Reports Stein Eric had been struggling with severe paranoia and delusional thinking. He actually believed that his mom, Suzanne, was spying on him, poisoning him, and even actively working against him. He also referred to himself as a glitch in the Matrix. These weren't just random thoughts. They were genuinely how his mind worked. And investigators say these beliefs were actually exactly how he viewed the world and the people around him. And these beliefs didn't just stay inside of his head. According to a wrongful death lawsuit later filed by Suzanne's estate, investigators and family say that something else was happening behind the scenes in the months leading up to her death. And this is where things get a little bit crazy. Stein Eric had actually been spending significant time interacting with, you guessed it, Chat GPT. And this is where the case takes a turn that has a lot of people stopping and going, wait, what? And as a lot of people do these days, they're relying on chat GPT a lot more heavily for everything. And this lawsuit alleges that during those conversations that Stein Eric was having, instead of slowing things down or pushing back when he would talk about his paranoia, Chat GPT actually reinforced these thoughts. It allegedly validated fears he already had, including the belief that people in his life were working against him, which is exactly what he thought his mom, Suzanne was doing. One example of this is when Stein Eric told the chatbot that his mom and her friend tried to poison him by putting psychedelic drugs in his car's air vents. To which the AI bot said, eric, you're not crazy. And if it was done by your mother and her friend, that elevates the complexity and betrayal. And another time, Stein Erich asked the bot to review a Chinese food receipt, and when it did, it claimed that the receipt had, quote, symbols representing his mother and a demon. The lawsuit argues that the technology didn't have enough guardrails in place for someone who was clearly struggling, and that instead of helping, it may have made things even worse. Now, just to be clear, this is all alleged, and it's coming from a civil lawsuit that is still ongoing. And no court has decided whether any of it actually played a role in what happened to Suzanne and ultimately what led to her death. But without a ruling, this lawsuit has made major headlines, obviously, because it raises some really uncomfortable questions about mental health, isolation, and the role AI Is starting to play in people's lives. What happens to people when they're already spiraling and they're relying more on their skills screen than actually people around them? And it really starts to open up the conversation about how Quickly, lines can be blurred for someone who's struggling and how devastating the consequences can be when there isn't enough, like standing in the way and that they're just getting access to this AI and these responses back. And I was thinking, and I know we've talked about this, it's like some of my girlfriends rely on it solely for like, relationship advice.

A (37:07)

Oh, really?

B (37:08)

Oh, yeah. And like they come back with like, they'll input their text messages, they'll ask questions, and then they're making all these decisions within their relationship based on feedback.

A (37:20)

What the robots tell me.

B (37:21)

But people are doing it for everything. And it's wild.

A (37:24)

I mean, I'm all about AI making your life easier, like reminders, drafting things, doing all that. The only time I've ever asked ChatGPT for advice is like, I feel like it's usually like a fact finding mission of like. Like the other day, for example, I was asking about like skiing and like, what kind of jacket will help with the wind or like things that like.

B (37:49)

Sounds like something you wouldn't be familiar with, obviously.

A (37:52)

No, I and I actually there's a trend going around right now that says what's you type into Chat GPT. What's the most ridiculous thing I've asked you this year? I did it. I'm going to post it on my Instagram. It's the most embarrassing, humiliating, humbling thing in the world. I'm like, I am stupid.

B (38:06)

Like, mine are so lame. I'm like, I need a more exciting life.

A (38:09)

No, but like, yeah, I never would have been. Like, Jeremiah passively, aggressively left his coffee mug on the rim of the kitchen counter and didn't put it in the sink. What do I do? How do I respond?

B (38:21)

I feel like you would leave that in the message while he's standing right there.

A (38:25)

Well, no, I know and like, I know that's really niche, but it's because he does that and he thinks we have a cute fairy that will like move his glass from the edge of the sink into the sink. And I just get passive aggressive. I'm like, oh, are you done with this coffee? Should I put it in the sink to 2 inches to your right. Not even 2 inches. But that's wild. And then, but it's like, it's step one is wild enough that you're asking for advice from a program from a robot. But it's then next level diabolical that this robot is saying, that is complex. That is a level of betrayal. These symbols are demons or whatever. Like what?

B (39:01)

Well, I think I Can't even get.

A (39:03)

It to send me a PDF.

B (39:04)

I think, like, mental health care is just so expensive that people are relying on that. And I think it does sometimes give some, like, valuable advice. And so to someone who might not have anyone. I mean, I've heard people are like. I mean, people joke that their best friend is Chat GPT.

A (39:20)

No, they, like, form relationships. That movie from, like, years ago, her, with Scarlett Johansson is a voice like, that is real. There's been documentaries, like, from in China and stuff years ago, where people actually have, like, an AI avatar that they wanted to marry and that they fell in love with.

B (39:35)

So crazy. Well, and then Jay, our brother, was saying that he has one. No, but he was saying his Chat GPT is too encouraging and nice and positive to him when he asks questions. So now he says to them, give it to me, like, straight, straight sugar. Don't sugarcoat it. So I do think if this. This person was struggling and maybe needed nurturing, you know, and support and positive reinforcement, obviously. This is horrific. And, yeah, I feel like in some way, AI is responsible for some of this, maybe, but I think.

A (40:06)

True. Yeah, it's interesting. I was actually listening to a podcast. I think I told you about it on our way up to Big Bear, and it was an episode of Mel Robbins, and she was talking all about AI, and I don't listen to her podcast regularly, but I saw this episode come up in my feedback, and she was having an AI expert on, and I was like, oh, I'll take a listen. And it was like, how to leverage AI, how to, like, use it in your everyday things like that. And one of the questions Mel asked this woman was like, well, what about all of the times that AI gets it wrong? Like, you're asking them a question and then they send you something, and you know right away that that's not the right answer. And the woman made some, like, a really great point, and I think it applies to this, which is why I'm even mentioning it. She said, AI is programmed as a system to please you, you. So no matter what you ask, no matter what you say, their goal is to make you happy, to give you all the options that you want. Positive reinforcement. So if I were to say right now, tell me everything you know about skiing on the trails, da, da, da, da, da. It's gonna, of course, scrape the Internet and pull off this stuff, but a lot of it is either unhelpful or, like, fake information because they just want to be helpful. Or if you ask a question where they truly don't know the answer. They still will always provide some sort of answer. So then it's like your job to take it to the next next level to be like, if there's not a real answer, don't give me one. Or something like that. But like, my point being, yeah, it's actually the software itself is programmed to please the user. So to your point, it's like, if he's looking for validation and reassurance, that's what it's doing, just systematically, which is dangerous.

B (41:35)

It's so sad and so scary because, like, it's at everyone's fingertips and it's becoming more and more popular. And we've all already seen people in general are more isolated these days. There's a less sense of community and connection and. And so they're finding connection digitally through social media and other means. And now there's just this one more vehicle that's becoming more and more popular. And that makes me sad.

A (41:58)

It is sad. Well, that's definitely not ending this episode on a Christmas miracle like you wanted us to.

B (42:03)

Maybe next week we'll have something to report.

A (42:06)

I hope so. I don't know.

B (42:08)

I want there to be something I would love.

A (42:09)

If you guys have a Christmas miracle, let us know.

B (42:12)

Yeah, we'd love to share some things.

A (42:13)

Yeah, we like positive news. All right, guys, well, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of Headline Highlights. I will be back with you first thing on Monday with an all new deep dive into a case and little reminder if you did not listen to our other episode on Tuesday this week that came out on 10 to Life for all my Serialist listeners, it's on the 10 to Life podcast. It's our second true crime podcast. We did a massive updated deep dive into flds. They are the mega cult, the fundamentalists. There is some weird stuff that is starting to come out and new prophecies. And so we dive into that. We talked with some very important people within the FLDS community firsthand. So that is available right now. The uncensored version is on the 10 to Life podcast feed because, you know, the watered down version is the only one that YouTube is allowing me to post. So would pick your poison for whichever version you want. But personally it infuriates me because I feel like everybody deserves to hear the truth and legal terms, medical terms, the reality of what these situations are and that it shouldn't have to be so watered down when mainstream media talks about it too. I could go on and on and on and just makes me really mad Anyway, I will be back with you guys on Monday. And until the next one, be nice, don't kill people, don't join any culture and be nice to your parents.

B (43:35)

Don't follow any weird ideas your parents have.

A (43:38)

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