370: American Idol Murder, Jeffrey E. Files Updates, & Missing 2-Year-Old

Summary

Serialously with Annie Elise – Episode 370: American Idol Murder, Jeffrey E. Files Updates, & Missing 2-Year-Old
Release Date: February 26, 2026
Hosts: Annie Elise & Amy Heller

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Episode Overview

This week’s “Headline Highlights” episode is a packed, conversational deep-dive into several breaking and developing true crime stories. Annie and Amy discuss:

• The murder investigation involving a former American Idol contestant
• The disturbing case of a missing two-year-old girl in Alabama
• Major movements in the Epstein case, including updates on Zorro Ranch and Prince Andrew
• The viral Iowa fraternity hazing scandal, with real body cam audio commentary
• A quick update on the Nancy Guthrie abduction and the Delphi ("deli") murder case

As always, the episode is delivered with Annie and Amy's blend of detailed research, empathetic reflection, and their signature, best-friend, true-crime chat energy.

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1. CrimeCon Announcement & Vegas Pass Giveaway

Timestamps: 05:25–07:59

• Annie and Amy announce their return to CrimeCon in Las Vegas, May 29–31, 2026.
• They're giving away a full weekend pass. Listeners must find five hidden Vegas-related phrases in this episode and enter via a form linked in the show notes by March 3rd, 11:59pm PT.
• Annie describes CrimeCon as "a powerful experience…a place where a lot of people go. Not only podcasters and YouTubers, but big media companies…victims’ families, and a lot of survivors go to CrimeCon as well." (06:37–07:09)
• The welcoming, supportive true crime community is celebrated.

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2. "American Idol" Contestant Murder Case: The Death of Ashley Flynn

Timestamps: 08:00–24:01

Summary:

• Background: In Tipp City, Ohio, a 911 call (played on air) details former American Idol contestant Caleb Flynn discovering his wife Ashley shot in bed. Caleb claims a home invasion, but inconsistencies quickly arise.
• Key Investigation Points:
  • No signs of forced entry. All doors locked except one to the garage (contrary to Caleb's "break in" claim).
  • Caleb happened to be awake with his kids at the time of the incident, which seemed suspicious.
  • Two shell casings found point-blank by Ashley’s bedside—matching Caleb’s own missing 9mm handgun.
  • Caleb arrested for murder, felonious assault, tampering with evidence.
• Pop Culture Twist: Caleb's past as a 2013 American Idol contestant resurfaces, including footage of him praising his wife Ashley—"I love my wife more than anything…" (18:13).
• Court Hearing: Caleb appears distraught, pleads not guilty; a $2M bond is set with strict no-contact orders, apparently including his daughters.
  • "I just want to take care of my daughters..." – Caleb, emotional in court (19:55).
• Affair & Motive Speculation: Internet rumors about a possible affair with a 23-year-old parishioner at Caleb's church, including a damning alleged text ("It's almost done" at 12:42am, just before the 911 call).
• Family Statement: Ashley's family expresses heartbreak and faith in law enforcement: "Ashley brought endless light to our world…our family believes this arrest was made carefully…" (23:24).
• Memorable Quotes:
  • Amy (on real motivation): "Why don’t you just get a divorce and stop sending text messages?" (24:10)
  • Annie: "At what point will criminals realize the text is your nail in your coffin?" (24:15)
• Promise of a Deep Dive: Annie teases further research into cringe-worthy clips and more details on the alleged affair, promising a dedicated episode.

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3. The Disappearance of Genesis Reed (Missing 2-Year-Old, Enterprise, Alabama)

Timestamps: 24:36–32:58

Summary:

• Case Details: Two-year-old Genesis Nova Reed reported missing by her mother Adrian at 3am on Feb 16. Adrian claims a possible abduction after finding the front door open, but police find the story suspicious from the start.
• Contradictions Noted:
  • Neighbors haven't seen Genesis since Christmas.
  • Genesis’s room is completely empty, carpet removed, and evidence of a burned mattress is found nearby.
  • Adrian (the mother) has a violent criminal past: in 2017, charged with felony assault for attacking her own mother with a sharp instrument.
• Legal Actions: Adrian quickly arrested for false reporting; DA states she is the only suspect and believes she knows Genesis’s whereabouts.
• Community Response: Vigils held, ongoing searches by police, including FBI involvement. Police trying to locate a woman named Mariah for questioning.
• Host Analysis:
  • Annie: "The fact that her room was pretty much completely empty… when children go missing, people usually preserve their rooms for decades…" (30:54)
  • Amy: "Yeah, well, and that’s kind of what I was thinking… To think that you’re gonna pass that off as, ‘Oh, I woke up and she was gone…’" (31:40)
• Parallels: Case compared to infamous instances like Casey Anthony and Megan Boswell, highlighting patterns in child disappearance cases involving suspicious parental behavior.

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4. Jeffrey Epstein Files & Zorro Ranch Investigation Updates

Timestamps: 33:04–44:08

Summary:

• Zorro Ranch: New Mexico quietly reopens investigation into Epstein’s Zorro Ranch, responding to newly unsealed federal files. Lawmakers create a “truth commission” for thorough review amid longstanding rumors of buried bodies and evidence.
  • Annie: "Let that just sink in… after all of this time, the state is saying, ‘Based on what we’re seeing in these federal documents, we need to take another look.’" (36:44)
• Prince Andrew Arrested: Huge shock in the UK—ex-Prince Andrew arrested on suspicion of misconduct while in public office, specifically for possibly sharing classified UK government info with Epstein while serving as a trade representative. Arrest happens on his 66th birthday ("So, suck it." — Annie, 41:00).
  • Police raid Andrew’s current and former homes; King Charles issues rare public statement (paraphrased): "the law must take its course"—indicating no royal interference (42:03).
• Ghislaine Maxwell: Conspiracy chatter ramps up—differences in appearance and voice at a hearing spark wild online speculation she was "swapped out." Amy and Annie reflect on the challenge of sorting fact from AI or misinformation.
  • Annie: "It did not look like her at all." (44:33)
• Listener Note: For an uncensored, forensic psychologist–aided deep dive into the Epstein files, Annie refers listeners to her Feb 19th full-length podcast or Patreon.

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5. Viral Fraternity Hazing Body Cam Incident (Iowa City, Alpha Delta Phi)

Timestamps: 45:32–61:29

Summary:

• Incident: November 15, 2024, police respond to a fire alarm at the Alpha Delta Phi fraternity. Instead of a fire, they find 56 pledges packed into a basement—shirtless, blindfolded, covered in condiments. Several body cam audio clips are played in-show, capturing the stunned officers.
• Standout Moment: One officer exclaims: "You gotta see it from my perspective. What the [expletive] did I just walk into?" (54:49)
• Failure to Cooperate: Pledges and leaders feign ignorance or give fake names, notably “Jose” (real name: Joseph), who blocks officers and is briefly arrested for interference.
• University Response: Fraternity is suspended until July 1st, 2029.
• Hosts’ Take:
  • Annie: "If I walked into a room at 2am... I'd be like, 'You are so gross… I'm gonna put this everywhere, and nobody will ever date you.'" (58:18)
  • On hazing’s dangers: "I'm glad it's not aggressive hazing… but I can see the argument that that's how it escalates." (58:49)
  • Amy recalls old-school hazing traditions and the “hotdog” quality of this (vis-à-vis ketchup and condiments).
• Cultural Reflection: The body cam’s viral release (over a year after the event) reignited debates over hazing: is it “just dumb college stuff,” or does it foster dangerous groupthink?

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6. Brief Updates: Nancy Guthrie, Delphi Murders, and Show Community

Timestamps: 61:29–66:25

• Nancy Guthrie Case: Annie will post a supplemental episode with the latest developments—rewards, recovered items, language shift in family’s hope ("recovery, not rescue"), and reflections on internet coverage.
• Delphi / "Deli" Murders: On popular demand, Annie has revisited the case of Abby Williams and Libby German, reviewing both the prosecution and the growing movement arguing for Richard Allen’s innocence.
• True Crime Community & Ethics: Discussion about true crime creators making jokes at the expense of victim families; empathy for those living through trauma.
  • Annie: "If Savannah is seeing all of this on social media… that's very family [to see]… that probably feels like a year. It’s just very family [centered]. And how she says, 'every second we are...' that is how their time is probably passing so slowly, just waiting..." (63:13)

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7. Lighter Moments & Closing

• Opening Banter: Annie and Amy joke about Annie’s “grown up” decision to cut her nails short ("She talked me into the cat eye" – Annie, 05:18) and reminisce about nail trends and California vs. New York culture.
• Sorority/Fraternity Culture: Reflection on their own college experiences, pop culture film references ("Old School," paddling, etc.), and the persistence of hazing rituals—serious vs. lighthearted.
• Hair Change Sidetrack: Final minutes devolve into playful talk about hair consultations, personal aesthetics, and self-image.
• Annie’s Signature Sign-off: "Be nice. Don’t kill people. Just get a divorce. Don’t go to any islands that you’re invited to. Don’t join a frat. And girls, date up. Don’t date someone in a frat because I just feel like it’s embarrassing sometimes." (67:38–67:58)

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• CrimeCon: "It's a great experience… a really powerful weekend." (Annie, 06:37)
• On the American Idol Murder:
  • "My wife is my whole world… I love her." (Caleb Flynn on American Idol, 18:13)
  • "At what point will criminals realize the text is your nail in your coffin?" (Annie, 24:15)
• On the Genesis Reed Case: "The fact that her room was pretty much completely empty… people usually preserve their rooms for decades…" (Annie, 30:54)
• On Epstein/Andrew: "Let that just sink in… [New Mexico] is saying…we need to take another look." (Annie, 36:44)
  • "'The law must take its course.' …It means the royal family isn’t going to step in…That is very refreshing." (Annie, 42:03)
• On Hazing Incident: "You gotta see it from my perspective. What the [expletive] did I just walk into?" (Police officer, via Amy, 54:49)
• On Pop Culture & Closure: "Be nice. Don’t kill people. Just get a divorce. Don’t go to any islands… Don’t join a frat. And girls, date up." (Annie, 67:38)

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Key Takeaways

• Annie and Amy deliver true crime updates with both exhaustive research and an empathetic, personal touch, engaging their audience like a trusted friend.
• Multiple cases are presented with timelines, motive analyses, and cultural/psychological context, while remaining respectful to victims and families.
• The show fosters community and critical thinking, inviting deeper engagement (giveaways, upcoming episodes) and highlighting the importance of staying vigilant, compassionate, and well-informed.

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For full coverage, upcoming deep dives, giveaways, and bonus content, listeners are directed to check Annie’s show notes, 10 to Life podcast, and Patreon.

Transcript

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[B]

Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial asleep. Hello. Hello, Hello. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial Aslee with me, Annie Elise. And today's Thursday, which you know what that means. Headline highlights. There is a lot we need to talk about, too. New cases, some updates in some cases. I'm going to talk to you a little bit, too, just very briefly, about Nancy Guthrie. Some updates in that case as well. We're going to talk a little bit about some of the updates with Epstein and some things with that as well. But before we get into all of that, let me welcome back Amy Heller.

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Heller.

[B]

Heller. Welcome back. So I'm actually really. If. Well, hold on. I have two things.

[C]

Whenever you take a deep breath, I know there's a question coming.

[B]

Not a question.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

A statement.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Over the weekend, I did something very mature and grown up, and I have to tell you, I'm kind of offended that you haven't noticed it by now.

[C]

Wait, can I look at you and tell something mature?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, my gosh, I'm upset. What is it?

[B]

You don't even know me.

[C]

Wait, what? I want to guess something, but your nails.

[B]

Look how short they are.

[C]

Oh, I. Okay, you're gonna laugh. I noticed it. What video?

[B]

Why didn't you say anything?

[C]

I thought it. Okay, so I thought maybe it was the angle. You sent a video over the weekend. I think it was in a group chat and it had you, like, showing something you're holding something with Your nail. And I was like, whose hand is in that photo? Chubby and no, honestly, like, your thumbnail kind of looked, like, rounded and like small and weird.

[B]

Sorry.

[C]

This went really nice.

[B]

I thought I was doing a grown up thing. And now I need to put the long nails back on.

[C]

I'm dying.

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No.

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Okay.

[C]

What was the reason for this sudden change?

[B]

Well, it wasn't out of desire. I was blow drying my hair on Sunday and I have one of those, I think, you know, like the round brush blow dryer. And my nail got caught in the vent and it snapped off.

[C]

So you had reality check a little bit?

[B]

No, not so much reality check as. Because I brought Emmy with me to the nail salon. I didn't have enough chime to th. Get a new tip on. So I said, oh, we can just make them all as short as this one broke off to. And even the lady was like, are you sure? Like, are you sure it's okay? Yeah, she's. It's going to take a while for them to get long. And like, are you sure you want to do this? I was like, yeah, it'll be fine. And then she did it. And I thought, oh, this is Annie in her mature era. She doesn't have the big claws anymore.

[C]

Naked.

[B]

Well, I didn't until you said my hands look short and chubby. So now I'm rethinking everything.

[C]

Well, I keep seeing all these. This movement of let's go back to natural nails. Which, to be honest, would be a huge relief because think of the money. We could save the time and probably it's better for our nail health. But I just can't even imagine it because we're like of the old school era. Like, since seventh grade I've had these puppies.

[B]

It's very California. Because when I lived in New York, nobody had fake nails. You couldn't even. You were hard pressed to find a salon that did acrylic.

[C]

No, I had to go in after work when no one else was there, and they would literally be like, you're the only one in here because it's toxic chemicals.

[B]

I know. Which I had no nails during COVID because everything was shut down, obviously. But I did.

[C]

I went to underground places where it's like, tap twice and we'll open the basement door. And like, I. Yeah, I was really excited. I'm proud. I'm proud of you because you. I also don't care what your hands look like.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Speaking of which, someone made a comment that my giant hand last week, they couldn't stop Looking away. So I'll keep my eyes.

[B]

I have small hands and you have giant hands. And I didn't do the chrome this time. I did something new. She talked me into the cat eye.

[C]

It's cute. I love it.

[B]

Okay. That I'm was not convinced. People are like, annie, it's been three minutes and you're talking about your nails. Could you be any more shallow?

[C]

Let's just do the influencer thing.

[B]

Yeah. The guys. So we're going to talk about headline highlights today. Um, no. Okay, last thing. So want to start off with some exciting news? I've mentioned it before. We're obviously going back to CrimeCon this year.

[C]

Going back to.

[B]

Back to CrimeCon Crime Con.

[C]

Wow.

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You don't like it.

[C]

Okay, I'm not joining in on that.

[B]

Um, so, yes, CrimeCon this year is kind of close to our neck of the woods in comparison to where it's been in years past. It is in Vegas, more specifically, season Caesar's Palace. And it actually is over a really Great weekend. It's May 29 to May 31, which the weather is going to be, like, hot, but elite. Lots of pool parties. I need to see if, like, at Wet Republic, chain smokers are playing because, you know, I'm gonna be all up

[C]

in there, like, I should. Can we please pull the photo from.

[B]

Absolutely not. The wheelchair. Yeah, absolutely not. Sometimes I go a little too hard in Vegas. That was years ago. Pre kids. No. So it's May 29th through the 31st at Caesar's palace in Vegas. I will be there all weekend. Amy will be there all weekend. Our team will be there all weekend. And it's just going to be a really great weekend. How many times can you say weekend in one sentence? But no, it really is. It's a great experience. I know a lot of people are kind of on the fence about what Crime Con is, what it means, what goes on there. And it's a place where a lot of people go. Not only podcasters and YouTubers, but big media companies such as News Nation, Dateline, Nancy Grace, and a lot of victims families. And a lot of survivors go to CrimeCon as well. And they join and partner up and speak on panels. They try to bring awareness edge, like, educate on different things. The Petito family goes every year. John Benet Ramsey's dad goes every year. Chris Hansen is usually there. So it's just a really powerful weekend. And it's a lot of people with the same shared mentality and goal, I guess, of just, you know, it's kind of A vulnerable weekend. I don't know how you would describe it. It's really powerful.

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I felt. Yeah. And this will be our third year. I felt like last year was, I mean, every year you just learn more and more and you're meeting more people. And I just left last year with this overwhelming feeling of just a reminder of what you do and what we do here. Because you do. You meet so many people that you don't even realize how the work impacts them on a personal level and how many people are sharing that experience and how it's nice to have such a strong sense of community.

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Totally. Yeah. Like families coming up to the booth and being like, I heard your coverage of XYZ case. Thank you so much. And I don't know, it's a great weekend. So my point is it's a fantastic weekend in Vegas and we are giving away a full weekend pass. Now here is how you can enter this giveaway if you want to go in today's episode of Headline Highlights, I have hidden five Vegas related phrases throughout the episode. So listen closely, jot them down when you think you hear one. And then once you you've caught all five, if you go to the show notes or the description of this episode, there's a link to a form. Enter in your information, enter in those, you know those words to unlock your entry and then boom. So it's kind of like a little scavenger hunt and we will select one winner who will get the free weekend pass. We also may do more giveaways in the future, but entries close on March 3rd at 11:59pm Pacific Time. And then the winner will be selected and announced next Thursday in that episode of Headline Highlights in the Show Notes, not in the actual episode itself, but it written in the description. So good luck. I hope to see you guys all there, come by the booth and it'll be a great weekend. So with that, all of that admin out of the way, let's get into this first case. I know we were talking a little bit about this yesterday and spoiler alert, I have a deep dive coming. But I want to talk about this whole former American Idol contestant murderer because this case has been everywhere recently and honestly, it's been a wild one from the very start. At first it sounded like a home invasion burglary gone wrong, but then within just a few days, investigators were kind of like actually hold up. That's not really the case here. This isn't a home invasion gone wrong. That's not what happened here. So let me rewind A little bit and tell you everything that transpired to where we are now. So around 2:30am On Monday, February 16, police responded to a 911 call at a home in Tipton City, Ohio. The caller, Caleb Flynn, said that there was a burglary at his home that he shared with his wife and his kids, and that his wife, Ashley Flynn, had been shot. Now, in this 911 call, Caleb sounds completely frantic, just terrified. He said he's not sure if the person who did this is still in the house and just completely panicked. Take a listen.

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Oh, my God.

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Miami County 911.

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Oh, my. Somebody. Somebody broke into my home. Somebody broken my home, got my life.

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Are they still in there?

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I don't know. I don't know.

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Hey, what's the address?

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Ohio. Please, please hurry. Please, please hurry. What?

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What are you seeing?

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My wife is. She's got two shots to her head. There's blood everywhere. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Sir, please, please.

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Ma', am, I need you to take a deep breath, okay? Do you still see anybody in the house?

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No. The door to the garage was wide open. Please hurry.

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Please.

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Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. My daughters are here. My daughters are here.

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Where is she at?

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She's in the bed. She's in the bed.

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Are you with her?

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I am in the room. I'm looking at her. Yes, please.

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You guys have the door locked?

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We have the door to the garage locked, and he to the house? Yes, please.

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Where. Where is that room at in the house? My partner's getting them dispatched. Okay, but I need you to answer my questions so I can get you help as fast as I can. Okay?

[D]

What. What question?

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Where are you guys at in the house?

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I'm in the bedroom with her right now. My daughter isn't in their room.

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Think or not. You are not with the children.

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I was with the children when it happened.

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Okay, but you're not with them now?

[D]

No, they're in their room. They're not even awake. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Sir, please, please, please.

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They're. They are heading that way. Okay, I need you to take a deep breath for me. Are you hearing anything?

[D]

No, I rubbed her leg and said her name. She's not answering.

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Okay, your daughter's not answering you.

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No, hold on. I'm putting on my shirt. What'd you say? What?

[E]

You say your daughter's not answering you?

[D]

No, they're in the other. They're in. Across the room in their room.

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Okay, are you hearing any kind of noise inside the house?

[D]

No, no, her face is. Oh, sir, her face is white as good ghost.

[E]

Okay, who's. Whose face?

[D]

My wife's face.

[E]

Your wife's face?

[D]

The one. Yes, the one who was shot.

[E]

She was What?

[D]

Shot, I said.

[E]

Okay, where was she shot at?

[D]

In the head. In the head? I hold her. Blood everywhere.

[E]

Okay, is she breathing?

[D]

No, I don't think so. Ashley. Ashley, baby. Baby, please. Oh, my God. There's no. She's not.

[E]

Okay, she's not responding to you.

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No, no. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[E]

Okay, do you see anybody in the house?

[D]

Nowhere. It's black and the doors are locked. The door to. Leading to the garage door was wide open when I ran in there.

[E]

Okay, do you see any kind of vehicle calls?

[D]

No, no, wait. No, The. The. The door. There's a side door in our garage door that's open by the. Oh, my God. Oh, my.

[E]

Okay, I need you to just take a deep breath for me, okay? They're getting to you as quick as they can. Is that door still open?

[D]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

[B]

Okay,

[D]

what do I do? What do I do? What do I do?

[E]

Is she breathing at all?

[D]

I don't think.

[E]

If. If you are comfortable, I want you to go and find a cloth and I want you to put a cloth on that gunshot wound. Okay?

[D]

Like a towel?

[E]

Yes, like a towel, but do not apply direct pressure to it. Just put it on blood wound. Okay.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

So the police arrived within minutes, and unfortunately, Ashley was found deceased inside the home. And as I said, at first, this completely looked like a burglary gone wrong. However, as the investigators started to dig a little bit deeper, they realized that things were just not adding up. And then that's when, like, the tone of this entire thing really started to shift because it started to look less like a break in that turned deadly and more like something had intentionally happened and was staged afterward. So while Caleb seemed to double down on the burglary narrative, police were now kind of saying, well, no, that's not really what's going on here. Now, for starters, there were absolutely no signs of forced entry in the home. However, in that 911 call, Caleb claimed that somebody, quote, broke in. Yet all of the doors were locked except the door to the garage, which was wide open. Now, the next inconsistency, it started to actually come out from public speculation, not necessarily the investigation itself, but it really does seem strange when you look at it. So if you remember that 911 call, it was made around 2:30 in the morning. However, Caleb claimed to be with his kids, which, look, as a parent, I know things happen in the middle of the night. Kids get sick, they'll wake up with, you know, a, a bad dream, they want water, whatever the situation is. But for him to be awake and with his kids, coincidentally, at the exact moment and the right exact time when somebody broke into the home and shot his wife, Ashley, it seems a little bit more than a coincidence to me. Now, the last thing that people were pointing out, and some argue is the biggest thing that changed the way that this case is being looked at was that there were two spent shell casings right next to the bed where Ashley had been shot. And that on its own, by itself, might seem normal at first. Maybe the intruders were in a hurry to get out of there, they didn't pick up the casings, and when they left, could happen for sure. Except the shell casings being that close to the bed indicated that Ashley had likely been shot at park point blank range. And some reports say that these shell casings matched a 9 millimeter handgun. Now, that also would not be weird on the surface. However, guess who owned a 9 millimeter handgun that just so happened to have that gun missing at the time that this all went down? Her husband, Caleb. So if that's true, then he really gambled on the idea that nobody would connect those dots. Caleb usually kept the gun in a center console of his truck, but that center console was found open that day and there was no gun inside. So on the Evening of Thursday, February 19, Caleb was arrested. He was charged with murder, two counts of felonious assault, and two counts of tampering with evidence. Now, as soon as the news broke regarding this case, people immediately recognized Caleb. They were like, wait, this guy's a former American Idol contestant. I totally know his face. I totally know him. I know his name. And from there, as you can imagine, I mean, the Internet went wild and all sorts of clips started circulating. Lots of old footage has since resurfaced from season 12, which was back in 2013. That was the season that Caleb appeared in. And in this footage, he's talking about his wife Ashley, Talking about how my wife is my whole world, which I think that piece of it is also what's making this really hit hard for people because there's these visual aids attached to it where he's talking about how in love with Ashley he is, what an amazing wife she is. And then, you know, it's something to just reference back to when now you Know what actually has happened to her. But I want you to take a listen.

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My name is Caleb Flynn. I'm from Tipp City, Ohio. I audition because I'm sure everybody says it, but music is all I know. It's what I live to do and I love to sing. So that's why I auditioned. Maybe my wife kind of nudged me a little bit too. The person that inspires me to be informer, I guess would say, would say the Lord. I'm a music pastor and so that's my job every week, is to go up there and to sing and to connect what I do on stage to the congregation. So first and foremost, obviously is the Lord thing that makes me unique. You know, I absolutely love the Lord. I love my wife more than anything. She is very, very pretty. Just, I love her. But you know, I'm just a normal person who absolutely loves to sing more than anything in the world. And I think I have a different sound to my, my voice. I have something to offer.

[B]

By Friday, February 20, Caleb appeared in court over video and he pleaded not guilty. He also made a statement when it came time for the judge to order the bond. Which I kind of have to say I feel like we haven't really seen that very often lately. But here's how that went.

[G]

Mr. Flynn, we're going to set your case for a preliminary hearing for next week on February 26th at 1pm you do have the right to have an attorney represent you. If you cannot afford one, you can apply to the public defender's office and they'll determine if you're eligible for a court appointed attorney. You understand all that?

[H]

Yes, sir.

[G]

Is there anything you'd like to say to the court with regards to bond in this case?

[F]

I'm so sorry, you cut out there.

[G]

Is there anything you'd like to tell the court with respect to bond in this case?

[F]

I'm not. I don't really understand that.

[C]

So.

[G]

Okay, so the court has to establish a bond, sir, to ensure that your appearance. Okay, so the court will establish a bond and you have the right to tell me, hey, I'm not a flight risk, I am a flight risk or anything of that nature. Is there anything you would want to tell me about that, Sir?

[F]

I, I just want to take care of my daughters.

[H]

I'm not at risk.

[E]

I'm.

[B]

I understand.

[G]

Okay. Well, the court is going to order a 2 million dollar blanket bond in this case covering all of your charges. Should you post bond in this case, the court will order that you be on pretrial Services electronically monitored house arrest. Furthermore, the court will order that you will have no contact whatsoever, directly or indirectly, through a third party with. You are not permitted to speak to them in any way, shape or form. That includes electronic communications. You are not allowed to communicate through family members whatsoever. Do you understand all of that?

[H]

Yes, sir.

[G]

Okay, thank you. We're adjourned. Thank you, sir.

[B]

Now, I personally think that that was really interesting because he's crying in court, he's asking for this low or no bond, saying that he's not a risk, that he wants to be with his daughters. Yet we do know that the judge made this no contact order, which I'm assuming it was for the kids, but there was some redactions made, so we're not entirely sure. But that coupled with the 911 call too, in which to me he was so descriptive over the timeline of events, where he was, where the kids were, all these things, it almost felt rehearsed. I don't know. That's just my opinion. So Caleb's defense attorney is pushing back pretty hard on the way that the case has been handled so far, saying that it's moving too fast and that the judgments about Caleb have been made too quickly. Well, on the other side, the public, of course, has taken off running with all sorts of speculation, all sorts of rumors. There has been a lot of talk about a possible affair that Caleb was having with someone who attends his church where he's the church leader. This woman is allegedly 23 years old, and some rumors report that she may actually even be pregnant. And I'm going to get into more of that in just a moment. But some people also say that there are leaked court documents. However, because nothing official has been released, we are going to take that piece of information with a grain of salt. But according to the Internet, those files allegedly show hundreds of text messages between Caleb and an unnamed woman assumed to be this 23 year old who goes to his church. And in one text in particular, it was one that Caleb allegedly sent at 12:42am to this woman. And he said, quote, it's almost done. And that was on the day and just over one hour before that 911 call was made saying that his wife had been shot. So, I mean, if those text messages are real, not only does it point to a potential motive if he was in fact having an affair with this woman, but also premeditation. I mean, saying something is almost done before it happens, obviously, is indicative of planning. Now, in the midst of all of this, the investigation, the speculation, the shock of the arrest. Ashley's family has put out a statement expressing their grief and their love for Ashley. And they also have been very vocal about their confidence in the investigators who are handling the case. They said, our hearts are shattered. Ashley brought endless light to our world and we are trying to navigate this immense loss. Our family believes this arrest was made carefully and not without serious consideration. After speaking with both local police and federal authorities, we trust the proper steps were taken and that the process is being handled appropriately. We kindly ask for privacy as we work through this complex situation. We are clinging to our faith just as Ashley did each and every day. So Caleb is actually expected back in court today. So I'm going to keep an eye out and see how that goes. But we are going to do a deep dive into this because I know I alluded a little bit to the affair. We have done some more research into that. There is some cringe worthy clips out there too of the two of them singing together in church and like some weird stuff. So a deep dive on this will be coming as we're uncovering more. So just make sure you know, you're tuning in and you stand by for that. But obviously doesn't look very good.

[C]

No. And I was gonna say the footage of them singing together is big ick. Cringe big ick. Yeah, yeah. And it's just like again, why do

[B]

you just get a divorce?

[C]

Just get a divorce and stop sending text messages.

[B]

Like at what point will criminals realize the text is your nail in your coffin?

[C]

And I don't want them doing good for us. I know.

[B]

I don't want them to realize that because you're an idiot and you deserve to go down if you don't did this. So we'll see. Oh, I know. Okay. I know there's another case like a Casey Anthony 2.0.

[C]

That's. I was gonna say it's giving Casey Anthony. And obviously like cases like this always make my stomach drop when they involve children. I know, it's just so sad. This case is from Enterprise, Alabama and involves a two year old little girl named Genesis Nova Reed. And she was reported missing in the early morning hours of February 16th. But the whole thing just feels completely off and you'll see why. According to the police, around 3am that day, Genesis mother Adrian Reed called 911 saying she woke up, she couldn't find Genesis anywhere. She told authorities that her daughter's bedroom was empty and that the front door of the apartment was just left wide open. And just like that, a toddler went Missing in the middle of the night. Genesis was described as a very small girl with brown eyes and black hair, and she was reportedly last seen by her mother wearing minnie mouse pajamas. So with this information, law enforcement immediately launched a massive search involving local law enforcement, state agencies, and even FBI and the u. S. Marshals. And at first, it sounded like a terrifying, maybe the door left open, toddler wandered off, like we've heard, unfortunately, other times before. But almost right away, the investigators noticed that there are some pieces of the story that adrian was telling them that just didn't really make any sense. And while police haven't released this, like, bullet point list of exactly what didn't add up in her story, they made it clear that as soon as they started interviewing adrian and talking to the neighbors that the story just wasn't matching all of the evidence that they were finding. Multiple people in the apartment complex told investigators that they actually hadn't seen genesis in weeks, Some even saying that the last time they saw her was around christmas, which is just about two months before the police were called. And just two days later, on February 18, after conducting multiple interviews, Police were confident enough in all of these contradictions to actually make that arrest and arrested adrian on the charges of false reporting. So, in other words, this wasn't random anymore. This obviously seemed like something that was pointing towards adrian and was enough to make them arrest her. In fact, the coffee county district attorney publicly said that adrian reed was the only suspect, and they believe that she's the only person to know where genesis is. So adrian's bond was set at $1 million cash, and she was deemed a flight risk. And even given bond conditions that in case she was in fact able to post that bond, she had these extra measures that would be taken, including gps monitoring, drug screenings, and daily check ins with the enterprise pd. She would also be required to stay in coffee county unless granted some extenuating circumstance, which at this point, I doubt would ever in. And also, this isn't the first time that adrian was arrested. Get this. Which, this was crazy when I read this. Back in 2017, Adrian was charged with felony assault for attacking her own mother. Her own mother. Reports say that adrian allegedly used a sharp instrument to cut her mother multiple times. And then when police arrived, they found the victim with multiple cuts, including one that was even five inches long. So this person attacked their mother. We obviously don't know why, but this was a previous arrest back in 2017. And at that point, Adrian's mother was taken to the hospital and did eventually recover from her Injuries. But even though Adrian was initially charged with a felony, she pled guilty and ended up walking away with only a misdemeanor charge. A judge ended up suspending her 12 month sentence and ordered her to preserve two years of unsupervised probation for that. That's it. So going back to Genesis, after Adrian's arrest, search efforts got way more intense. Authorities brought in canine units, including cadaver dogs, to search the area and surrounding areas. And even after searching all of the surrounding neighborhoods, so far there's been absolutely no sign of Genesis. However, reports say that there was a burned mattress in a nearby area, that carpet was ripped out of the apartment, and that Genesis's room was cleared out and practically empty, as if no child had ever lived there. Enterprise PD has put out updates almost daily. And each time a new update comes out, they ask for tips. They want to know if anyone might have knowledge of where Genesis's whereabouts may be, if someone had seen her, or any information that might make it possible to bring her home safely. Police have also identified a woman named Mariah that they would like to speak with and believe that she may have more information. And while they clarified she's not currently labeled as a suspect, they do believe that she may have some information that could be relevant to the investigation. So they're hoping to find this person. And just to be clear, as of right now, Adrian Reed has only been formally charged with false reporting. There have been no other charges at the time of this recording, but obviously this has remained active and ongoing since there has been no sightings or additional information thus far. But the language that the officials have been using is obviously making it sound very, very serious. The fact that neighbors haven't seen Genesis in weeks, the fact that investigators quickly identified and publicly called out inconsistencies in Adrian's story, and the fact that the D. A. Stated the mother is the only person known at this time to know where Genesis is. It all points in the direction of the case may go much deeper than a toddler simply wandering away at 3am one day. The community of Enterprise has held vigils, gathering candles, stuffed animals and all just saying prayers in hopes to find Genesis and that she's brought home safely. Because a case like this obviously just hits differently. It's a two year old, it's a toddler, she counts on adults to care for her, and she's missing, and it's just devastating. So this is an active story. We'll be keeping you updated on any new information that comes up and just praying for her safe return and that her mother gives some answers. And it's so shady. When I read it was like Casey Anthony, which I knew would infuriate you.

[B]

Megan Boswell, I don't know if you remember that case. Yeah, it's the same thing where it's like people haven't seen her for months. And there's a few things that you had said that stuck out to me. One, I mean the main one, the fact that her room was pretty much completely empty. When children go missing, people usually preserve their rooms for decades, sometimes hopeful for their return. So that it's untouched and it's, you know, the exact same way that they left it. Also, the fact that if she were able to post bond, one of the conditions is regular drug testing makes me wonder, why would you slip that in there? Do you. Is she on drugs? Is there a history with drugs? Do you think that that could have somehow been some sort of component in this? But yeah, a two year old isn't wandering out the front door in the middle of the night and then you coincidentally empty out her entire room and nobody has seen her for weeks.

[C]

Yeah, well, and that's kind of what I was thinking. I'm like, if you haven't seen someone freaks, that would give you time to remove the carpet, clean up the scene. Yeah. But to think that you're gonna pass that off is like, oh, I woke

[B]

up and she was gone and my

[C]

two year old walked out and the two year old's gone. And then. Yeah. So hopefully even some family members have seen the little girl. I mean, it sounds like no one has, which is, is. It's so sad. But I also was thinking this prior incident with her mother.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Was that like an act of rage to where something similar happened with the daughter? Like, what is this past?

[B]

Or is there a substance issue? But I forget. I think it might have actually been the Megan Boswell case. Was it? I think it was. Maybe it was a different one. You guys let me know in the comments. But one of the things that. Or maybe it was Orin and Orson west. Actually now with cell phones, you can't. Every photo is timestamped. So when is it was the last photo taken and what, like how recent? Because I think it was Oren and Orson west, where it was like there hadn't been photos for over a year and it's like obvious. Hello, I have 50 a day on my phone from my kids for the dumbest shit ever of them taking your phone, honestly. So, yeah, I mean, I think she hasn't obviously been convicted, but I think the writing is on the wall here.

[C]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's awful. That is so sad.

[H]

It.

[B]

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And I just want to tell you, if you're listening to the YouTube version of this, don't watch it on YouTube because it's so overly censored, because YouTube is. YouTube is such a pain. But go listen to it on the podcast because it's uncensored. But the episode came out on the 19th, so if you haven't heard it yet, go take a listen. But since that episode came out, there have been some big things happening surrounding, you know, Epstein adjacent and directly with the files, the properties he owned, a lot of things. So first, New Mexico very quietly but officially reopened a criminal investigation into Zorro Ranch. Now, if you're newer to this case and you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, and you're like, what the hell is Zorro Ranch event? Let me just back up for a second. So Zorro Ranch was Epstein's massive, secluded property right in between Santa Fe and Albuquerque, New Mexico. And we're talking thousands of acres of private land in the middle of the desert, just like they had this main mansion, it had guest houses, it had a private airstrip, and it was just like vast amount of land. Okay. Perfect for a high roller to use to operate behind closed doors. Now, it was one of the many properties that he owned, but this one has always sort of carried this very eerie off the grid reputation because multiple survivors have alleged that there was a lot of assault and exchanges that happened there. There have been claims that things happening at Zorro Ranch were also very similar to what was happening on the island. And yet, despite all of the speculation and the talk about this, the ranch never received the same level of investigation and attention that the other properties did. But the leading theory is, and after looking at the files, we do know some shady stuff was going on. But the theory is that there are multiple bodies buried all over Zorro Ranch and possibly other evidence that would be monumental for everybody who is attached to this case, whether in the files and the emails. I mean, all of it. Some even say that there is a mysterious barn on the property where he allegedly kept an incinerator. So it was investigated briefly at the state level years ago, and then that probe was shut down. In 2019, federal prosecutors asked New Mexico officials to stand down. But fast forward to this week, and the New Mexico attorney general confirmed that newly unsealed federal files related to Jeffrey contain information that warrants reopening the investigation. So let that just sink in for a moment. After all of this time, the state is saying, quote, based on what we're seeing in these federal documents, we need to take another look. According to reports, investigators are now seeking access to full unredacted federal files to determine whether crimes occurred at the ranch that were never fully addressed. Because if what's in those documents can be found on the ranch, that could be the jackpot that investigators have been waiting for all of these years. Lawmakers have also created a, quote, truth commission to review alleged abuse connected to the ranch, which tells you that this isn't just paperwork work. They're saying that this deserves a real thorough investigation. So that is not minor. I mean, that is the ranch, the remote desert compound that has hovered in the background of this case for years. And it's being pulled back into active criminal review. Now, while all of that was happening here in the U.S. simultaneously, the UK absolutely exploded because on February 19, ex Prince Andrew was arrested on suspicion of misconduct while holding a public office. This. Now, what I thought was very, I don't know if you would call it like divine intervention or karma. He was actually arrested on his 66th birthday, so suck it. But basically, investigators are looking at whether Andrew may have shared private government information with Jeffrey back when he was working as a UK Trade representative. So in simple terms, the concern is that he might have passed along information that he wasn't supposed to share. It's not directly a charge or an arrest made when with the allegate the horrific allegations that are out there, but it is one step closer to that. Hopefully to get him to talk, hopefully to like, you know, what do they say? Like, shake the tree and see what falls out?

[C]

I actually say that sometimes. You do myself, when I do.

[B]

No, I know, but like, to, you know, because it's weird, like, all of these things are happening kind of in tandem. There was also another arrest just a couple of days ago. Who was it? Shoot. Who was it?

[C]

It was another British official.

[B]

Yes. Yes. And like. So it seems like. I don't want to say the dominoes are coming, but, like, there is definitely movement now. And I think that's because so many people are making so much noise about this. So back to ex Prince Andrew. Police had detained him for roughly 11 to 12 hours before releasing him under investigation, which that means that he hasn't officially been charged, but the case against him is very much still open and active. The day after his arrest, police went and they searched his former home and also the home where he's currently staying. And it's not known yet what evidence was found, if any. But we will definitely be keeping an eye on it to see what comes of those searches. But what I thought was interesting is King Charles, Andrew's older brother and, you know, the freaking King of England, right? He made a public statement saying, quote, the law must take its course. And there was a little bit more meat to the statement, but basically it means the royal family isn't going to step in. They're not going to shield Andrew in any sort of way. And they said, you know, we want justice too. We want the truth. So do your thorough investigation. Which I have to say that is very refreshing to see that this family, the royal family at that, is making him take accountability for whatever comes out in this. And if these newly released documents are what triggered all of this, in a matter of days, we might be watching something that is much bigger. And it's just like the slow little, like, ripple effect starting to happen now. So I'm gonna follow this very closely. I also don't know if you saw. I saw it come across my feed the picture.

[C]

Which one?

[B]

So, first of all, after Andrew was released, there was a jump scare picture of him in the backseat with his eyes super wide, like hover, like hunching down. And someone printed it and put it in the Louvre.

[C]

Oh, I did hear that it was

[B]

up for, I think like 15 minutes before somebody took it down. But I was like, that's iconic.

[C]

But also people are like, what's going on with the security at the Louvre? I know, but I know I did see that. And in that case I found it it to be funny.

[B]

I know. So let's hope that there is justice coming for all of the scumbags who participated. Again, you can go listen. It's about an hour and a half. I brought on Dr. Leslie Dobson. She's a forensic psychologist. She's working with Congress right now on a lot of the unredacted versions of the files and the emails. So listen on the podcast, even if you're a video watcher, because it's so censored on YouTube, it's with I don't know. Or you can watch the uncensored version on Patreon. So if you do prefer the video. And that's patreon.com Annie Elise.

[C]

I feel like the Epstein files are going to be something we hear about for the next. How like year, years. It's just more and more coming out.

[B]

I know it's. And it's like it's hard to distill what's real versus what's like crazy wild conspiracy. But like there's enough in there to where it's like, what is. It's just unnerving.

[C]

One outside of just like figuring out and discerning what's real from the news reports now you've got this AI element. So for me, I've been hearing and reading a lot of the Ghislaine stuff and like, oh yeah, like her in Canada, is it not? And so it's hard because you look at a photo and of course you can form opinions, but then it's like, well, is the photo even real? So there's so much.

[B]

It's hard to trust what you're seeing.

[C]

I know.

[B]

But I will say when she was in that hearing, I watched the video where she took the fifth for everything and wouldn't answer. It did not look like her at all.

[C]

Everybody is saying her voice was different,

[B]

her nose was different. People were like, the chin's different. And I was like, let me just tell you, chin filler dissolves. And like, so that is in a cell. The nose for me is what's up. The eyes, I think could happen with. But like, it does not even. It doesn't even sound like her. Like, not tone, but like, pitch. I don't know. And that's a crazy conspiracy to believe that when she was moved facilities to where she now, Texas or whatever, that they swapped her out or something. Like, that's so wild to think about that that could even be real. But it could be, like, it's so.

[C]

I know. And you're like, I know. I. I could go down a rabbit hole.

[B]

I know. Save it.

[C]

Because we are gonna revisit.

[B]

We are gonna revisit for all of you who've been hounding in the comments, part two, part three, part four. It's a coming.

[C]

It's coming.

[B]

It's a coming. That sounded like Mario.

[C]

It's to me.

[B]

To me, Mario.

[C]

Okay, this next story is not your typical true crime. So I feel like we can talk a little.

[B]

Okay. What's it about?

[C]

It's not a murder.

[B]

Okay. Thank God.

[C]

It's not a disappearance, but it's wild.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And the body cam footage.

[B]

Don't tell me. I know what it is.

[C]

Like, everyone collectively is like, what the hell am I watching? And when I was watching it, same thing, Iowa. Like, who are these morons? Yes.

[B]

This footage is sick and weird and like, what is going on?

[C]

I know. I was just glued to the body cam footage because I couldn't believe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, so picture this. It's 2am on November 15, 2024, in Iowa City. Police and fire crews get called to a fire alarm going off at a fraternity house house near the University of Iowa campus. Now, that's totally normal. It's a college town, middle of the night. Maybe they were, like, trying to cook, set off the fire alarm. Maybe someone pulled it as a joke. So officers walk in expecting smoke, but instead they head down to the basement of the Alpha Delta Phi house and open the door to find 56 pledges standing in a dark room. Some of them blindfolded, shirtless, and covered in all kinds of unknown liquids. It looked like a full house. Wall to wall pledges packed into that basement. And the body cam footage of the firefighters and police officers walking into this house is just insane. So if you're listening to this on the podcast, it might be worth popping over to YouTube just to see.

[H]

Can I get through? Hey, guys, the fox going on here.

[C]

What is going on?

[H]

Who's in charge? Campus 127. I'll take a second here. Yeah, I'll definitely need 133 here. This is the alarm here. All right, who's in charge? Looks like we have quite a bit of hazing, so I'm asking again. Who's in charge? We can talk upstairs. No, we're gonna talk right here. Who's in charge? A couple of us are.

[E]

I mean, I don't know.

[C]

I don't.

[H]

Yeah, I don't have to tell you. Okay, well, I mean, you if find someone who's in charge, cuz this is ridiculous. Hey, this stops here.

[B]

Guys,

[H]

this is a police department. This stops here. Who's in charge?

[G]

They're upstairs.

[H]

How about we stop, we start cleaning this up? Everyone take their blindfolds off. Like a name man.

[C]

They ask, who's in charge? And the answer is kind of like, I'll talk to you upstairs. And then shifts to I don't know. And then the video continues. And there's one guy in particular who tries really hard to block the doorway. He says he goes by Jose, but later it's learned that his real name is Joseph. And I don't know if he like, thought he was doing anything because officers obviously knew what was going on. And here's how it went.

[H]

Oh, it's nothing. A couple different code vitals, you know. So what's going on in here? Don't know. You're just blocking the door so we can't see. How does nobody live here then? Just hanging out. You tell me. No, you tell me.

[B]

I don't know.

[H]

You go to University of Iowa?

[B]

You do?

[H]

You do? What's your major? Business. Business. What's your name?

[B]

Why?

[H]

Just wonder what your name is. Jose. Jose. Jose. What's your last name? Why don't you want to talk to me? I want to tell you that. I don't want to tell you that. Okay.

[B]

How old are you?

[H]

21. 20.

[B]

Some ID?

[H]

Yeah. You got an idea or anything? Approved. I think it's fake.

[B]

Huh?

[H]

I think it's fake. You think it's fake? You think it's fake or you know it's fake? There's two different. Two different things there. Campus 142. One by deal number. And I'm ready. It's definitely not Joseph. I go by OSA 349 Adam Paul 5452. Do you have your real driver's license on you? Does that room go anywhere else? Laundry room. That room does that. I just want to see if he had to return my bad clean record. Check. Copy. Thank you. That's all I needed. So where do you live? You still over in Riverdale or you live in that house. I go to school here. It's my initial address. I know.

[B]

Are you living.

[H]

You still living there? And you? City. Okay. It's real. This back here Golf? I used to guess from around here.

[B]

Sure,

[H]

That was my bad. I would probably be calling your house dad or whoever to get him here since ultimately he's probably in charge, right? Unless someone else is in charge. I don't have his number. So which. Do you guys know how the fire alarm you got set off? Is it just from it's manual goes off? So this one, this one.

[E]

The hallway here.

[H]

How I got set off, I'm not sure. I don't think it was down here. I think it's upstairs. I can be tell you. Is this going to lose? Yeah, it's definitely Alan. How long are they supposed to stay for? You guys try to do this too? On, no, I don't know what this is. I mean, it's not like you guys didn't know there was 15, 20 people down in your basement. Not that dumb. It's fine. What do you guys usually do about the stairs?

[C]

I don't know.

[H]

First time I've encountered it. I'm getting a little frustrated that no one's telling me who's in charge of what's going on right here. But I'm not in charge. I'd like to help you, but I'm not in charge. Yeah, I mean we asked you to call your house dad. I don't have working like he's your house. The house dad. How do you not have his number? Okay, what are you doing here? He's a living. He goes upstairs. Oh, so you do live here.

[C]

One officer literally says on camera, you gotta see it from my perspective. What the did I just walk into? And that honestly felt like a valid reaction. When you're looking at all this, this because from the outside it looks like some sort of weird initiation ritual straight out of a movie. 56 guys, shirtless, blindfolded, nobody's talking, random condiments and liquids everywhere. And it's almost 2 in the morning. Now, to be clear, officers asked if anyone was hurt or being held against their will. And according to body cam footage, all these pledges say no. So this wasn't some sort of criminal hostage situation. And no one was reporting any injuries. But the sheer shock factor of it all is what made this whole thing blow up. And remember Joseph, the guy who's trying to get in the way of the officers and trying to block them from seeing anything. He was actually arrested that night for interfering with the officers. And it was also learned, get this. That he didn't even live at the fraternity and he wasn't even a student at the university. So that charge was later dropped but well known in the media. Now, the university investigated the incident through its student Accountability Office, and as of February 25, 2025, the fraternity chapter was suspended, with the suspension lasting at least until July 1st of 2029. But what really ignited everything was that that footage didn't go viral right away. The incident happened in 2024. The suspension happened in 2025. But when the body cam video was released in 2026, it racked up millions of views and went viral almost immediately. People online were pretty split on how they felt about it, though. People were like, it's college. Calm down. While others were saying, this is exactly why hazing gets out of control. But most people were just stunned by how weird the whole thing was. People usually expect frat hazing as one of two things. Either something kind of weird like this, like people throwing ketchup or beer or whatever else at each other, or something much more serious, like something straight out of a horror movie. So thankfully, in this case, that wasn't the situation. This is more of one of those college's wild and sometimes dumb stories, but amplified by the fact that this body cam footage exists and that we can all actually see into what was going on. And usually that stuff stays behind closed doors. So I think that was. What was truly shocking is it was actually exposed and, I don't know, something about 56 blindfolded pledges covered in ketchup at 2am Just feels like something no one expected to see this year. Although I will say. And I. I'm curious to know your thoughts. I did date someone in a fraternity. I begged him to go into a fraternity because I was still in high school, and I'm like, hey, we'll have cool parties to go to. And when he was pledging, I remember he's like, this is the big formal where I get, like. I don't remember what's called. Initiated in.

[B]

Didn't they have to, like, paddle him?

[C]

Well, that. Oh, oh, my God, I forgot about that. They built. They literally built paddles to then be

[B]

paddled by them with holes in them to, like, for airflow, which. That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah. But I. But this formal, at the very end, everyone's like, yay. Cheering I'm in a dress. I have an updo, my makeup done. They spray beer out of a cat on all of us, and I'm like,

[B]

Like, well, think about it.

[C]

Literally, now I'm just sticky. I smell like, what is this?

[B]

Well, think about it. In College, you're what, 20, 21? Like, at the high, I guess, but low pledges, probably 18 or 19. So you probably think it's funny. But, like, I'm glad that there wasn't any serious hazing because we often hear way too many cases where it's, like, hazing gone wrong. Somebody either gets extremely injured or killed.

[C]

But, like, alcohol poisoning.

[B]

Yeah. And, like. And I do understand the argument where it's like, this seems really dumb and minuscule and it's ketchup, like, squirting on people. But I could see the argument of that's how it escalates. Because what if, like, say if you're the pledge and I'm the frat guy, I don't know what his position would be called. And I'm, like, squirting you with ketchup. And you're, like, laughing and you're. It's. And, like, they're trying to feel like they're the authority and that they're like, you know, hazing you. And so you're laughing. I'm like, you need to take it more seriously. And then I do something harder or like. Like, so I see where the escalation certainly could happen. But also, if I walked into a room at 2am as a cop and there were 56 guys shirtless, covered in ketchup and beer and, like, relish, I'd be like, why am I loser? Like, get. You are so gross. And, like, I'm gonna put this everywhere, and nobody will ever date you.

[C]

Well. And for me, it felt like a hot dog. Infuriating. Because they're like, who's in charge here? And it's the typical. You get caught deer in headlights. It's like, no one's saying a word. I just can't imagine a situation. And I don't know, is there, like, hazing in the sororities? Because I just don't see women being, like, chained and the girls are sometimes

[B]

meaner than the guys.

[C]

It's awful.

[B]

I don't know. I was obviously never in a story.

[C]

There was that thing a couple years ago with, like, Alabama, right?

[B]

Oh, yeah. There's like, a whole. And, like, I'm glad kind of actually, that they shut it down until 2029. That the chapter. Because it's kind of like, don't do, like, there are hazing rules in place for a reason. Even though this is, again, so minor and, like, so hot. Doggy that it's stupid.

[C]

There's plenty of things you can do. I remember in my ex boyfriend. It's so weird to say ex boyfriend who so long ago.

[B]

Okay. Really living in the past.

[C]

They'd be like, go pick up my girlfriend to take her to the party or sing this song to embarrass yourself. It's like, that's innocent fun. What is going to change?

[B]

Do you remember Old school? The movie?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. Such a classic. Where they had to stand on the ledge and didn't they tie like a cinder block to their wieners? And, like, he saw what was like, the. But if you could do it. No, that's dodgeball. If you could dodge a wrench, you could dodgeball. What was the thing they said? And then that one guy falls.

[C]

Yeah, I don't remember. But it's like, such a good movie classic fun, I guess.

[B]

Well, not that.

[C]

No, but like is okay. But this stuff just seems like it's taking it to a different level.

[B]

Which, I mean, I'm glad it's not aggressive hazing and you're just squirting a

[C]

bottle of ketchup blindfolded and.

[B]

Oh, blindfolded, you're right. But like, yeah. And like, imagine being blindfolded and, like, you heard the a squeeze and it's just flashes on your chest.

[C]

And also, like, who came up with that? Like, isn't there something. I don't know. I just. Again, this just feels so stupid.

[B]

It's so stupid. And like, just don't haze at all. Even if you feel like it's innocent hazing, don't haze like you're a loser. It's very. I was gonna say it's very Steven DeMarco coded. Oh, gosh, tell me lies. Don't get me started. He would not be only using ketchup. Um, okay, so really quickly.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

I know. That's the only college reference I have right now. Um, okay, so really quickly, let's talk about the Nancy Guthrie updates. So I actually am going to put out an extra episode tomorrow on this feed with all of the updates that have come out over the last couple of weeks, because I know it has been a lot to keep straight between. Different gloves being found, a backpack, now the person being seen on footage prior to the abduction and all of these things, and as of now, too. Just a couple of days ago, Savannah has come out again. She posted another video where her family is now offering up to $1 million for any tips that lead to the recovery of their mother. That she also said that they're donating $500,000 to the national center for Missing and Exploited Children, which I thought was really nice. And. But what stood out to me in that video, and I don't know if you've watched it yet or if you caught it, it was the first time I've heard her say recovery, not rescue. And so I think that they have come to the conclusion that she's probably passed on. And they just. Of course. And that's something that I had thought, actually, quite honestly, pretty early on when they said, we want to celebrate with her, that it was meaning more of a celebrate her life and having her remains there to be able to do that, because you don't have that sense of, like, peace without knowing where their remains are. So hopefully it does lead to some news, but it's like, yeah, between all the TMZ notes and it's just so much.

[C]

It's so much for everyone just watching it. But could you imagine being the family?

[B]

No.

[C]

And then every single day.

[B]

It's sad, too, because now I've seen a lot of other creators who honestly, I kind of respected in the space. And like, now I don't as much because is they're poking fun of it and calling it, like, referencing it as, like, I'm not even going to say the exact case names and stuff, but, like, making it almost like a joke. So to your point, it's like, if Savannah is seeing all of this going on on social media, where I get it, a lot of people are frustrated. It's been four weeks. Like, where the hell is.

[C]

Where does the public have the right to be frustrated to the point where they're getting on their story saying, I can't believe it's day 23. Like, give me some different names. Like, if I don't know. I just feel like that's day 23. That probably feels like a year. It's just very family. And how she says, like, every second we are. And it's like, that is how their time is probably passing so slowly, just waiting for news on their mom.

[B]

I know.

[C]

So sad.

[B]

I know. So I'm gonna put out an episode tomorrow where it's breaking down everything. And you can get that right here on the feed where we talk about. You know, there's been conversation about could this has some have some sort of, like, relation to Mexico even at one point, Brian Andon went into Mexico and was reporting from there. Yeah. So there's a lot. But it's hard to discern what's real, what's not. Like, there's just so much information flooding because everybody's trying to figure out what's going on. So that'll come tomorrow. Also, the number one case that all of you have been requesting while I was on tour and for the last like, like 10 months has been that I relook at the deli case. Now, for those of you who are unfamiliar with the deli murders, it was Abby Williams and Libby German. They were two best friends who were horrifically and brutally murdered while they were out on a walk one day out, you know, together on the bridge. And there are a lot of weird elements to this case. There are allegations of cult sacrifices, there are allegations of child assault, all sorts of things. Richard Allen was tried and found guilty of their murders. However, there is a big piece of the public and the true crime community that believe that Richard Allen is innocent. So my point is, over the last 10 months, several requests have come in that I re examine this case, look into it. Because I reported on it initially before it even went to trial, and saying like, hey, look at both sides of it. So this week on Tuesday, an episode came out on 10 to Life. You can listen to the uncensored version on 10 to Life, the podcast, free, wherever you get your podcast or you can watch it on YouTube where we do exactly that. I look and say, here's why people think he is guilty. Here's why people think he's innocent. Here's all the information. Here's what happened. Let me know what you think. And I have to say, the comments that I have seen so far on that episode, a lot of people are leaning toward him being innocent, which I felt like.

[C]

I'm sure that was is a big

[B]

response too because I all I was under the impression they got the guy, he went to trial, all this. But even when I started re researching everything and looking at all these things that people brought up, I was like, okay, I can kind of see where you're going with this. And so, yeah, I tried to deliver it in the most neutral way possible. But I am curious to know your thoughts on the case and if you think they got the right guy, if you don't. So that episode is live right now. You can go and take a listen. So that's what we've got for headline highlights today.

[C]

That was a lot.

[B]

It was a lot. Should I also say vote in the comments on if I should put my nails back on? Just kidding. Since we talked for eight minutes about it, I know nobody gives a. They're like, you shut the.

[C]

I actually Thought we, we might come to like a big hair change.

[B]

Don't get me started. I'm trying. It's impossible because. Well, it's not impossible. I'm impossible. I just can't decide. I think I. I've decided, but I haven't decided who I'm going to go to to do it.

[C]

When are you doing it?

[B]

I don't know. I have a consultation Saturday.

[C]

I'm getting mine done Saturday.

[B]

You are?

[C]

We have new hair next.

[B]

Well, I'm canceling it because the consultations in LA and like I can't be bothered to drive to LA for a consultation and then back for an appointment. And I was like, can we just do it same day, like a console and then do it here? They're like, no, we need to do this.

[C]

I'm like, that's annoying.

[B]

It's so annoying. So I think I'm going to cancel and I don't know, I need to cut it. It's getting at that weird length where it's doing a flip, literally. Jess walked into my office yesterday and she saw. I love what you're doing hair. It's very Mary Kate and Ashley and I'm like, what? Cuz they have like a flip and I'm all. That wasn't intentional.

[C]

Doesn't ever come back where it's like the mushroom and then the flip underneath.

[B]

That's literally what my hair looks like right now.

[C]

I love that for you.

[B]

Between that and my chubby hands, like, I'm signing off. Okay, so until the next one, be nice. Don't kill people. Just get a divorce. Don't go to any islands that you're invited to. Don't.

[C]

Don't join a frat.

[B]

Don't join a frat. And girls date up. Don't date someone in a frat because I just feel like it's embarrassing sometimes. I don't know.

[C]

Thanks. She always roasts me in some way.

[B]

Okay, that was like 80 years ago. Just kidding. All right, guys, until the next one, stay safe. Bye.

[C]

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