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395: Anna Kepner: He Was Obsessed with His Stepsister | Breaking Down The Disturbing New Details
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Hate cleaning, hate scrubbing, hate dishwashing. Bro, we got you millions of videos about smart cleaning hacks will make your chores feel like a breeze. Download TikTok and check it out. Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial Asle. Foreign. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial as Lee with me, your host and your true crime bestie, Annie. Elise, Now I know what you're thinking. You're like, annie, it's Friday. What the heck are you doing? Why is there an episode out today? You give us episodes on Monday, Tuesday and Thursday. What's going on? Well, let me just tell you what's going on. Occasionally, this is why it's important that you subscribe to YouTube or follow the podcast if you're not already. Because occasionally I will release an episode outside of the regular release calendar. And the reason why is maybe there's a breaking case, maybe there's a press conference, maybe there's a case that I think needs a lot of awareness. Whatever the reason may be, sometimes these episodes will drop in outside of the regular release calendar. And that's why I'm here today, because we have an all new episode of a case that we definitely need to talk about. Now, if you are a loyal listener to Serial Less ly and listen, every Monday and Thursday, you know, Thursdays are my headline highlights episodes where I go through everything that's happening that week in true crime news updates, trials, whatever's happening that week. And over the last several months, we have been talking a lot about the Anna Kepner case. For those of you who are a bit unfamiliar or don't know all of the details, I'm going to give you a quick little synopsis. But Anna was a beautiful 18 year old girl who went on a family cruise ship for a family vacation, a family get together, and was found not only murdered, but just callously discarded and stuck stuffed underneath the bed inside her cruise ship cabin. Now, details have been coming out for months of what happened to Anna, who's responsible, who's been arrested, what happened leading up to the cruise. And so I've never done a full deep dive into this case. I've only covered it on headline highlights because it's an ongoing case and there's news not every week, but almost every couple of weeks. And so it feels like that's a natural place for it to live. But so many of you have messaged me about this case or have followed up after a headline highlights being like, I feel like we need more context, like what Was the story like, and the relationship like between Anna and her stepbrother before they went on this family cruise? What were some of the allegations, allegations that she had made in the past? All sorts of things. And so I decided today to release this episode we where I'm going to walk you through all of it. So whether you are familiar with the case or completely unfamiliar, I want to walk you through everything that we know in this case so far because a lot of news also has just come out in the last couple of days from Anna's family saying they're not even going to attend this trial. And we've gotten, we've now received photos of her stepbrother which, and I'll get to that in a bit, it's a little controversial. He's a minor technically. And so with that, because he is a minor, he. People have been very reluctant to say his name. In fact, he's only been referred to with the initials of T.H. and there have not been many photos of him shared. And I'm kind of indifferent to that. I kind of feel like, you know, I get it, innocent until proven guilty, but you're charged with a pretty heinous crime. You're being charged as an adult. I think it's okay to float your photo out there. And I know not everybody will agree with me. It is out there in mainstream media too. I'm not the only person who's gotten my hands on it. But anyway, my point to be, my point to be, my point in all of this is that that's the purpose of today's episode, to really walk you through all of it, especially if you are familiar, just to give you the updates so that all of the information and all of the details in this case can live in one place. So let's start with a little bit of the background and the family dynamics. And I've got all of my notes here, I've got some court documents here. We're going to be going back and forth between the notes and the court documents and I'm just gonna, you know, we're just gonna be talking together. So as I mentioned, Anna was a beautiful 18 year old high school senior. She was a cheerleader and she was also described as being incredibly close with her family, particularly her now blended family. Now to give you a little bit of backstory on how that family became blended and what that all entailed, Anna was born on June 13, 2007 to her parents, Chris and Heather. However, the two of them divor. Anna was just four years old in 2011. And according to Anna's mom Heather, once that divorce was finalized, she says that she was, quote, purposely left out of Anna's life. So Anna was primarily raised by her father Chris, alongside her paternal grandparents, Barbara and Jeff. Then Chris ended up marrying his second wife, Tabitha, shortly after his first marriage ended in 2011. The two of them share two children together. And according to Tabitha, once she married Chris, she ended up becoming the primary caretaker of Anna and she raised Anna as if she were her own daughter. However, this marriage too ultimately ended in divorce in March of 2023. This was after 12 years of marriage and because of, I mean, I guess not because of the length of marriage, but for whatever reason, it resulted in a very lengthy, very heated divorce with a, a custody battle as well. So then third time's a charm. In December of 2024, Chris married his third wife, Chantel Hudson. Chantel entered the marriage with three children of her own, a 16 year old or 15 at the time, unclear named who we're going to use as his initials, T.H. and two younger children. Those are also the siblings who were all on the cruise. So like I said, Anna lived in this blended household with her father, her stepmother, alongside multiple stepsiblings, including the 16 year old stepbrother who later would be identified as the suspect in her murder. And I have to say the family dynamic overall really became, I guess you would say paramount or central to this entire situation because apparently custody disputes involving the steps stepbrother's parents did reveal early concerns. And you know, I want to be careful with what I say. Early concerns about his behavior, but also a lot of tension that it caused in the household because of the custody disputes, because of some of the court filings. And some of the disputes included concerns not only about his behavior, but about him needing more supervision, citing behavioral issues, possible need for more of like a watchful eye, family disagreements about how to handle him. And so it seemed like already there was something brewing under the surface that appeared to have some behavioral issues and some struggles. And there were warning signs when Anna was a part of this blended family as well because she took note of all of this, she saw it, she noticed it, and, and this wasn't just with his family dynamic. Anna started expressing concerns as well now that she was a part of the mix. It was all a blended family, remember? And she reportedly expressed fear and discomfort surrounding this stepbrother of hers. And this was all prior to the cruise ship incident. According to statements from her ex boyfriend's family, she had shared a lot of concerns about him and his behavior, saying that there were very inappropriate things that he would do or remarks that he would say, that he became infatuated with her, that. That he was obsessive, that he would watch her, spy on her, lurk on her, make unwanted advances. And so much so that it really bothered her, it made her uncomfortable. And she vocalized that to a lot of the people closest to her. Which I have to say, and I have said this before for any women listening, young or old or in the middle, wherever your intuition is there as your first line of defense, it is so incredibly important that you listen to it and vocalize it. And I know in Anna's case she was. She was speaking out to a lot of people close to her, but also I could see where maybe she was a little bit more timid to speak out to her father or to make it a really big issue because she didn't want to rattle things at home, she wanted to appease everyone, make it pleasant, make it a nice co blended family, all of these things. But if something like that is affecting you and you're noticing it, it is absolutely imperative that you do speak up and that you vocalize that. And I'm not saying she didn't do it the right way. I think she did it the best she knew how. She was only 18 years old and she did confide it, confide in people. But I can't help but wonder if it had escalated and if that concern escalated, given his history of already there being some concerns around his behavior and him needing more supervision, maybe there could have been a different outcome here. Possibly. I don't know. There were also reports, according to the New York Post, that he had been previously caught attempting to sexually assault her once before. Yes you can. A five minute, quick and easy calorie burning workout.
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So you now have this really messy situation and messy blended family. And what makes this even more unsettling, like I said, is that Anna had already been opening up to people close to her about him. She had expressed that her beh. His behavior made her feel uncomfortable and that something about it just did not feel. And while we of course don't have every detail of those conversations, I mean, it's clear that all of this leading up to the cruise, it wasn't happening out of nowhere. There was a pattern of escalation, one could argue. So then fast forward to November of 2025, and this was a little less than a year since when her dad, Chris, married this new woman and inherited this family. And I don't know how long they had dated prior to that, but I'm talking marriage. And maybe they all lived together before that. Who really knows? But this is less than a year after they got married. So the family decides that they're going to go on a family vacation, a cruise. So they board the Carnival Horizon cruise ship. Now, because there were, you know, many siblings, many members of this family, they had to bunk up, right? They had to share cabins. So Anna shared a cabin with her stepbrother and her younger sibling. And I think she was a little uncomfortable about this. I know there have been reports out there, nothing verified, but her saying, like, again, not, you know, the most ideal situation, but also didn't want to create any sort of tension within the whole family and just kind of, I think there were some reports saying she was even looking forward to being with her younger siblings. So nothing outright worrisome immediately. But then November 6th rolls around. They had already been out at sea for a couple days at that point, I believe. And that night, Anna reportedly told her family members that she wasn't feeling well. So she went back to the cabin early. And there are reports that at some point during that night or in the early morning hours, somebody heard yelling or disturbances coming from the cabin. So she goes back early, she goes to sleep, she says she's not feeling well. And then there's some sort of disturbance that is overheard. Fast forward to the following morning, November 7th, and Anna doesn't. Didn't show up for the family activities. I don't know. Again, details are a little vague. I don't know if that was breakfast, if that was some sort of meetup by the pool deck or some other deck or what it was. But she didn't meet up for the family activity, so she's reported as missing. Obviously this is alarming. This is unlike Anna. She shows up for everything. This was a red flag. Meanwhile, a crew member, specifically a housekeeper, enters the cabin in which she was staying, her cabin where she was sleeping, and they discover her body underneath the bed. She had been stuffed under the mattress and then cover, wrapped in a blanket and covered with life jackets, as if somebody thought that that was going to conceal her body and nobody would ever find her. And in some accounts, her father even later had confirmed that he saw this traumatic discovery himself. So now you have this discovery of this 18 year old girl on this cruise ship, stuffed under this bed, covered and concealed in life jackets, trying to figure out what the heck happened here. So of course they're like, well, who was wet last with her? Who else was staying in this cabin? Who last saw her, who last spoke to her? And the stepbrother was in that same cabin at some point overnight. There was also no confirmed report of any sort of forced entry or an outsider that, you know, came in and was an intruder. So that's why the investigators immediately zeroed in on, you know, it had to be someone inside that room. And not only had Anna been murdered inside that room that she still shared with her stepbrother, but the prosecutors allege that she had been sexually assaulted. And then her method of murder was mechanical asphyxiation, specifically by a chokehold or a bar hold, which a bar hold is basically if you use your whole forearm and all your the strength you can and that high amount of pressure to suffocate somebody. So everybody's distraught, right? People on the ship are distraught. Her family, they're trying to figure out what happened here, who's responsible, what's going on. Obviously there wasn't an intruder. It had to be someone in. Could he really, at 16 years old, be capable of this? What's the truth? Meanwhile, the stepbrother just completely shuts down, claims he doesn't remember anything that happened. He blacked out, he doesn't remember things. He's not really showing any sort of concern or remorse. He's also not taking any accountability. He's saying things, details are fuzzy and he doesn't remember anything. And he starts to just shut down pretty much. So much so that he ended up being removed for psychiatric evaluation Shortly after Anna's body was discovered. And that's because the authorities and or his guardians either viewed him as unstable or his behavior required immediate evaluation. But that being said, his removal also limited how much interaction he had with other people on the ship afterward. So as he's saying he doesn't remember anything and that, you know, it's all fuzzy and he shuts down. Reports indicate that he had not taken prescribed medication for sleep insomnia, nothing like that, during the course of the cruise. So it's not like he took an Ambien and blacked out and doesn't remember, or if you've ever taken a sleep aid where it's fuzzy and you don't remember the details and you kind of hallucinate a little bit. Nothing like that. So, as I said, he was later evaluated psychologically. And then after the ship docked and everybody disembarked, he ended up moving and shuffling between relative to relative after this. And I have to say, because the incident. First, let me start here, because the incident happened at sea. The ship contacted federal authorities before they docked, because this was. Obviously, it happened at sea. It was a maritime crime. It was something that they needed the FBI to get involved in. And the stepbrother was not immediately arrested. However, he was treated as a key person of interest from the very, very start because he was the one sharing a room with her. He was the last one who had been with her. He starts shutting down. He's not talking. He's not remorseful. He's not sharing information. There are these reports in the past of him being obsessed with her and making moves on her. And now you find her, she's sexually assaulted and dead, coincidentally, in a room she shared with him. It's not looking good, right? So he starts shuffling from family member to family member and where he's staying. And he's free, but under a high level of scrutiny, not only from the public, but also from the authorities. So this goes on for a couple of months, and then. And everybody pretty much knows he's the guy. Family even is speaking out, saying, why haven't they arrested him yet? Meanwhile, they are all building their case, and it's like this weird limbo period. For how many. For how many months was that? November, December, January, three months about where he's free, hasn't been arrested. The family pretty much knows that he is the one who did this. He shuffled between family members, and there is some family who is trying to be there for him as a family member, but then other family who was speaking out saying, why hasn't he been arrested? Why aren't the police doing their job? What is going on here? Like, what's happening? So then fast forward to February of 2026. He was finally arrested and he was charged. But initially this was handled as a juvenile case because he was only 16 years old. And that enraged a lot of people from the very start, myself included, because it seemed to me that there was a pattern, that there was escalation. I get it, 16 years old. But if you have the wherewithal to not only commit such a heinous crime and a sexual assault on someone close to you, on anybody, but on someone close to you, then try to conceal her body, cover it up, then personally shut down, evade questions, not cooperate in any regard, that shows planning, that feels a little methodical to me. So when I, when it was first announced that he was going to be. It was going to be handled him as a minor, I was like, this is bullshit. Because also in Florida, and I get that this is a federal case, but in Florida, one of the main things in a lot of cases I've covered is that if somebody is tried as a minor, if they are convicted, they are out by, I believe It's. Is it 21? It's either 21 or 23, no matter the crime. So what, this guy could be in for four or five years and then be out after a sexual assault and a murder. It did not sit right with me. But then things started escalating and on April 13, 2026, a federal grand jury indicted him as an adult on first degree murder and aggravated sexual assault. So that made the case move to adult court, which. That made a lot of people happy, myself included, because now there can be some real accountability here, some real justice for Anna. So as of now, the stepbrother is currently scheduled to go on trial. On June 1, 2026, this is going to be in federal court in Miami, Florida. He has pleaded not guilty by, through his lawyers. But get this, he's out. He's released, he's on bond. He's out there walking freely, which also angers me because I get that he's young, but if somebody now is getting notified that they're being charged as an adult and the walls are closing in, who's to say he's not going to A, try and flee, B, try and Brian launder, Brian laundry himself and take his own life because he's too much of a coward to face the music? Who's to say that you're going to actually get justice for Anna here? And that's been a lot of what's been in the media lately, because the prosecutors are pushing back, saying, like, look, you need to revoke his release and his bond. You need to hold him while the defense is arguing, no, he should remain out while he's awaiting trial. The trial is scheduled, though, to start, as I said, June 1st, which we are planning to attend. It's a little bit more difficult being a federal trial, but we are doing our best right now to get everything in line so that we can attend that. Now, in the meantime, over the next several weeks, there, there have been, and there will be even more hearings and motions and all sorts of things because, of course, the custody status, jail versus release, because this is a federal case, it's going to be a lot more complicated as well, because it's maritime jurisdiction. It didn't happen on land. It happened on a cruise ship. And I think one of the biggest things that people are holding onto is the fact that he's being tried as an adult despite being 16 years old. But if convicted because he's being tried as an adult, he could face life in prison. Now, the family's response to all of this, they have not spoken out in a big way, at least not many of them. And that's why a lot of details in this case have been hard to come by because there's a minor involved. Family's not really speaking. A lot of things have been sealed. The majority of the information will come out during the trial. However, Anna's father has publicly said that the trauma of finding her body, that it's too painful to relive. And so because of that, the family plans to honor her life rather than attend the trial, which I think is a pretty big statement and kind of actually is reminiscent of what happened with the Idaho murders. Some of the family members, not all, but some of the family members of the four students who were brutally murdered by Bryan Kohberger had said even while the trial was still scheduled to take place, that they would not be attending because they didn't want to remember their loved ones that way. They didn't want to give Brian the attention and that they prefer to just honor their lives. And so this is something that we have seen in the past. Now, let's talk more about the issues leading up to this. Because family members had told news outlets that Anna and her brother, her stepbrother, were, quote, two peas in a podcast, just like any other brother and sister. She also said that she knew that the two of them really cared about each other. In what she says is the right way. Interpret that how you want. But going more towards the allegations that Anna made against her stepbrother, her ex boyfriend Joshua said that the relationship between Anna and TH was far from perfect. He mentioned that in the time he dated Anna, she confided to him multiple times that that she was afraid and very uncomfortable being around her stepbrother. According to her ex boyfriend Joshua, the stepbrother was obsessed with Anna and she would often sleep over at her friend's house because she was too uncomfortable to be around her stepbrother.
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And get this, nine months before Anna was murdered, there was a very disturbing incident involving her stepbrother during a FaceTime time call. During the call, her stepbrother entered Anna's room and then inappropriately tried climbing on top of Anna. Joshua, the boyfriend at the time, confronted him about the incident and he allegedly ran away. Now a younger sibling who was staying in the same cabin as Anna and her stepbrother allegedly told the ex boyfriend that there was a heated Altercation in the room involving the stepbrother where there was quote, yelling and chairs being thrown inside the cabin. According to Josh. The younger sibling though stopped talking to him after the FBI intervened and warned the family about speaking out about the investigation. And that's probably because they don't want to taint the evidence. And like I said, we're going to learn so much at trial. But Stephen, Josh's father told a news source, Inside Edition to be specific and that Anna was scared of her stepbrother not only because of his advances that were obviously not wanted, but also because he quote, always carried around a big knife. He also reiterated his son Josh, the ex boyfriend's claims that he allegedly caught Anna's stepbrother climbing on top of her. So a lot of things that again, in my opinion look like clear escalation and repeating patterns and a predator. But it's going to be interesting what comes out in the trial. Number one, I absolutely think that there are going to be text messages shown if not from before the cruise and showing Anna's discomfort and what she confided in people, certainly probably from that night and phone calls she made or text messages. I also think that his digital footprint th the 16 year old stepbrother, his digital footprint is going to come into play in a very large way. What had he been searching? What had he been googling, what kind of porn sites was, was he watching? What kind of, how often was he visiting her profiles? What did he have? Photos that he. Or videos that he, you know, snuck on his phone and would record of her in secret? There's going to be so much that comes into play, not to mention the actual act itself, the sexual assault, the DNA evidence, the DNA left behind from his skin cells if doing the bar hold allegedly if it was him, which I think we all collectively know, but you know, innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I think that there is going to be a lot of evidence. So with that too, if he knows or even has any sort of inkling and I get it, 16 year olds are immature, but if he has any sort of idea the amount of evidence that they have against him, wouldn't that be all of the more reason for him to Brian Laundry himself too and like not show up. So the fact that he is walking free right now and take all of that aside and I don't know what the court order has been, I've seen mixed reviews what the court order has been about him being around his other siblings or step siblings. There's been, I can't Speak on that entirely because there have been mixed sources out there. But this kid who is being tried as an adult. So arguably you could say it doesn't even matter that he's a kid. This person is allegedly a predator, a child predator. So the fact that you are allowing him to just walk freely on the streets, you. Who's to say he's not going to do this again? Who's to say he's not thinking in his mind I'm going to go away life in prison, might as well get my kicks in now while I can. Who like this is a danger to society and to other children. Why would you allow him to just walk around? And maybe there's something that I am totally missing that is way over my head because I'm not a lawyer, which fair, totally get that. But this just seems grossly irresponsible in my opinion. It truly does. And where is the justice for Anna and her family and all of that? As I said, we are going to learn so much more when the trial comes. I will be keeping you updated with that in real time as it's happening. But right now there are a lot of key takeaways from all of this. There were clear warning signs before the crime itself. There was fear, there was alleged prior assault, there was alleged obsession and infatuation. We know that this crime also occurred in a very enclosed shared space, that cruise ship cabin, making the timeline and the access critical in this case. And it's also very complicated. You have blended family dynamics, you have this juvenile suspect being treated as an adult. You have conflicting early narratives, him saying memory loss, it was medication, it was this, it was that. And you have Anna's outcries from previous prior to the cruise. So how's, how is it all going to be wrapped together? I'm sure the prosecution obviously has their game plan in place but it's going to be interesting to see what else we learn as this continues to move forward in the court system. But like I said, I wanted to just have it all here for you in one episode so that you can be fully caught up with the case, all of the details and look, I know not a lot of people are going to agree with naming him or showing his photo. I haven't said his name on here, although I know it. But I am, I have shown his photo and the reason why is very similar to Aiden Fucci with Tristan Bailey, another case in Florida. He was a 14 year old boy who murdered his 13 year old classmate, stabbed her over 100 times in the woods. And he was tried as an adult as well. His photo long released before and Snapchat videos and everything long released before he ever was convicted. Because you know, I don't even know. Like it looks obvious and I get it, err on the side of caution. But like look, other mainstream media outlets have published it. So what's the problem with little me if I'm publishing it too? And not for nothing, but when you see his picture, especially a side by side with Aiden Fucci, it feels very similar, at least to me. Which if you're listening to the podcast version of this, maybe scoot on over to YouTube so you can see the side by side. It feels way too close for comfort for me. Anyways, I will keep you posted on what happens in this case. Let's all hope that Anna and her family get the justice they deserve. And this predator, in my opinion, this alleged predator, I'll just say that throw him a bone is taken off the streets so that no other person is harmed by him. Or so that Anna gets justice and he doesn't off himself like coward ass Brian Laundrie. All right guys, I know this one was a little bit sloppier than usual because I had my notes, my tablet, all of the things going at once. But appreciate you listening. 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