403: Mackenzie’s Cringey Jail Calls, TikToker & Her Dad Plan Murder, & Katie Price Missing Husband

Summary

Serialously with Annie Elise

Episode 403: Mackenzie’s Cringey Jail Calls, TikToker & Her Dad Plan Murder, & Katie Price Missing Husband
Date: May 28, 2026
Host: Annie Elise
Co-Host: Amy

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Annie Elise dives deep into a triple-feature of true crime and real-time mysteries:

1. Newly released jail calls from Mackenzie Shirilla (the Netflix "Crash" case)
2. The unfolding murder-for-hire plot involving TikTok influencer Gabby Gonzalez, her father, and her ex
3. The bizarre, possibly hoax-laden saga of UK celebrity Katie Price’s missing husband Lee Andrews

With her signature conversational style, Annie sifts through overlooked details, unpacks online debates, and brings in co-host Amy for reactions, context, and plenty of memorable banter. Their discussion is peppered with direct quotes, media insights, and pop culture references—turning complex stories into accessible, captivating narratives.

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1. Mackenzie Shirilla: Jail Calls Unmask Her Mindset

Segment Begins: [04:44]

Key Discussion Points

• Reference to Previous Deep Dives: Annie’s analysis goes beyond Netflix's coverage, shedding light on Mackenzie’s background, the omitted details of the crash, her parents’ role, and evidence of entitlement and enabling.
• Crash Recap: Mackenzie was convicted (2023) for intentionally crashing her car at ~100 mph, killing her boyfriend (Dom) and their friend (Davion). She’s serving two concurrent 15-to-life sentences.
• Focus: The episode spotlights newly surfaced jailhouse calls, exposing Mackenzie’s ongoing lack of remorse and detachment from the consequences.

Standout Jail Call Moments

Mackenzie Centering Herself as the Victim

“I don't need to be rehabilitated. ... I'm just thinking about like how I'm just gonna be old when I get out of jail and like, I don't know, like I'm not gonna be able to have kids or like a family...”
— Mackenzie Shirilla, [09:15]

• Annie's analysis:
  • Points out Mackenzie will be out at around age 33–34, hardly "too old" for a family.
  • Notes that Mackenzie’s concern is for herself, not acknowledging Dom or Davion’s lost futures.
  • Quote: “She stripped that away from them. … It just feels very like, read the room, right? She just... this chicken pisses me off.” ([09:56])

Jail Call About Inmates

“I don't want to live here with these people... murderers, kidnappers.”
— Mackenzie (as paraphrased by Annie), [10:35 approx.]

• Annie: “...considering Mackenzie herself has been convicted of murder... acting as though she isn’t around similar company…”

Social Media Obsession & Kim Kardashian

“I want Kim Kardashian to be my lawyer… I buy all her SKIMS and I only wear SKIMS.”
— Mackenzie, [13:14]

• Annie’s reaction is incredulous:
  • “The idea that wearing somebody else's shapewear brand somehow equates to them having—or should rescue you from prison for murder—it's just so far detached from reality...” ([14:03])

Mackenzie Saying She’s a “Third Victim”

“...I hope they see the truth and they'll know that this was nothing but a car accident. They'll just see that... there’s a third victim, and it's me.”
— Mackenzie, [15:34]

• Annie skewers this:
  • “Calling yourself a victim after being convicted of intentionally causing the crash that killed two people—it just is unbelievably tone deaf and somehow the phone calls with her friends got even worse...” ([16:10])

Mackenzie’s Regina George Persona in Jail

• Cellmates describe her as a "mean girl" who is “trying to be Regina George in prison,” with Annie comparing her entitlement and lack of remorse to the "Mean Girls" character. ([18:44])

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Analytical & Emotional Reactions

• Accountability (or lack thereof):

  • Annie and Amy repeatedly note Mackenzie’s utter lack of self-awareness and remorse, especially with her self-centered comments and attempts to depict herself as a victim.
  • “I think she survived for a reason. ... so she could suffer the consequences, because had she died in that crash as well, who knows if they would have done an investigation.”
    — Amy, [27:23]

• Parental Enabling:

  • Annie points to Mackenzie’s parents’ role in fostering her entitlement, referencing their social media spins while Mackenzie was hospitalized.
  • Amy: “They are equally...the worst.” ([28:17])

• Crash Details Missed by Netflix:

  • Dry run of the crash site 3 days before
  • Parental attempts to silence friends
  • Ongoing fights over Mackenzie’s sex work and other toxic behaviors

• Community Reactions:

  • Both hosts underscore how disturbing it is to see Mackenzie’s friends and parents still centering her in the aftermath (“he's probably looking over you” from Dom’s friends).

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2. The “TikTok Hitman” Plot: Gabby Gonzalez and Her Dad

Segment Begins: [39:06]

Key Details

• People Involved:

  • Gabby Gonzalez (influencer)
  • Her father Francisco (personal injury attorney)
  • Ex-boyfriend Jack Avery (from Why Don’t We)
  • Gabby’s new boyfriend Kai (the alleged middleman)

• Allegations:

  • After a bitter custody dispute, Gabby’s father allegedly bankrolled a murder-for-hire plot on Jack via the dark web (coded as “web development services” in payments).
  • The plan: stage Jack’s murder as a car accident; ask for a severed pinky for proof.

• Twist:

  • The “hitman” turned out to be an undercover cop; no murder occurred.

Key Quotes

“Her dad, Francisco, had also made comments about how it would be cheaper if Jack were just dead than continuing the court process. Which honestly that statement alone... unbelievable, right?”
— Annie, [41:29]

“Gabby and her co-conspirators wanted proof that Jack had actually been killed—they specifically asked for a severed pinky finger as confirmation...”
— Annie, [43:42]

• Annie and Amy are flabbergasted at the ineptitude:
  • “Have we learned nothing? Why are we hiring hitmen off the dark web?!”
    — Amy, [47:21]
  • “It makes no sense—the most selfish thing you could possibly do.”
    — Annie, [47:21]
  • “Honestly...get a grip!”
    — Annie, [48:04]

Where Things Stand

• Gabby, her father, and Kai face charges of attempted murder, conspiracy, solicitation.
• Gabby released on $2M bail; ordered not to post on social media or contact Jack or her daughter.
• Next court date: July 23.

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3. Katie Price’s Missing Husband: Hoax, Crime, or Both?

Segment Begins: [49:01]

Timeline & Key Points

• About Katie Price: A British tabloid staple, ex-glamour model, now media personality.
• Her Husband Lee Andrews: Dubious business claims; married Katie in Jan. 2026 after only days of knowing each other; lives in Dubai, never visits the UK post-marriage, raising red flags.

Sequence of Events

• May 12: Lee fails to appear on "Good Morning Britain" (supposed reason: missed flight); Foreign Office tips producers a detained Brit is in the UAE.
• Lee’s Alibi Video: Posts from "Oman airport"—fans note the video resembles Dubai airport and appears staged.
• Ex-girlfriend: Warns Katie this is Lee’s MO—he’s faked airport trips before.
• May 14: Katie claims Lee’s off social due to "trolling"; same day, Lee texts “Been arrested, I’ll be in touch, I’m okay” ([55:42])
• Days Later: Katie says Lee is missing—can’t reach him; says she saw him on FaceTime with hands tied and a hood over his head ("they’re coming back for me"). Dubious details spark intense online speculation.

Investigation & Speculation

• Possible Hoax?
  • Burner phones, family confusion, no official detainment, Instagram follows biker babe while allegedly tied up, references to “black site,” Interpol rumors.

“If you want to see—well, I'm standing on nuclear waste right now—like what are you talking [about]?”
— Annie, [56:09], deriding outlandish “black site” story

• Pop Culture Comparison:
  • Annie: “You know what it's giving? The Tinder Swindler.”
    ([57:42])
• Endless Twists:
  • Is Katie a victim, accomplice, or both?
  • Was Lee arrested, in hiding, faking kidnapping, or running from debts/law?

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Notable Quotables

• On Mackenzie Shirilla:

  • “Zero remorse, in my opinion, and no accountability.” — Annie ([16:10])
  • “She is a narcissist...she truly feels like she doesn't belong there and that she's above everybody else.” — Annie ([22:51])

• On Murder-for-Hire Plots:

  • “Have we learned nothing? Why are we hiring hitman off the dark web?” — Amy ([47:21])

• On Katie Price/Lee Andrews:

  • “Is he like gone-girling himself...what’s the end game here?” — Annie ([59:59])
  • “I think he's had a lot of probably dishonest stuff going on and it was all about to come to a head and...when he was faced with going on Good Morning Britain and couldn’t go to Britain, it all kind of backfired on him.” — Amy ([60:13])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Mackenzie Shirilla Case Breakdown: [04:44] – [39:06]
• Gabby Gonzalez/TikTok Hitman Plot: [39:06] – [49:01]
• Katie Price’s Missing Husband: [49:01] – [61:14]
• Closing Banter & Las Vegas/CrimeCon: [61:14] – end

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, sharp, occasionally irreverent—like bantering with true crime-savvy friends.
• Pop culture analogies ("Regina George," "Tinder Swindler," Nick Richie & Shayne Lamas) help listeners situate the drama.
• Both hosts react with genuine exasperation, dark humor, and empathy for victims’ families.

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Summary

This episode of Serialously delivers an all-killer, no-filler rundown of three viral, complex true crime stories and mysteries. Annie Elise and Amy masterfully combine overlooked court details, jail calls, and headline analysis with humor, outrage, and an insider’s perspective, making the intricate twists accessible and gripping for both loyal fans and newcomers.

Transcript

[Annie Elise]

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[Amy]

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[Annie Elise]

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[Amy]

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[Annie Elise]

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[Amy]

go i'm looking forward to it i

[Annie Elise]

am too it's gonna be really good and there's a lot of like great people going a lot of great families going it's gonna be a really weekend

[Amy]

i feel like as lame as this phrase may be it always fills my cup okay but it it does it does when i leave there i feel like i'm reminded like of the important work you do and what our team does and it does feel cut i

[Annie Elise]

let's get a new phrase but it does fill our cups okay but i

[Amy]

think what does vicki gumbelson say it fills my love tank is that what she says remember from the og season one i don't think i remember that wow i stumped you with bravo trivia

[Annie Elise]

you did i why never i don't think i ever watched the early seasons

[Amy]

i know the family i know the

[Annie Elise]

family van because of the meme but that's about it yes so crimecon this weekend and we will be doing some patreon only content from there so now if you've been on the fence about joining now is the time to join because there's gonna be a lot of not only exclusive content but behind the scenes content and videos and stuff like that so that is patreon dot com annie elise i was thinking yesterday too that's what i was gonna do damn it what a missed opportunity i was going to introduce you by singing the song from the hangover because i know it by heart the what do tigers dream of like and so i was gonna sing the whole thing but then i was like maybe i won't and

[Amy]

maybe on our return back maybe we'll

[Annie Elise]

see okay so let's start jumping into the cases that we've got today and i wanna start with the name on everybody's lips not roxie hart mackenzie shurilla now we released on this feed two episodes last week a deep dive last monday going through the whole case not only what netflix of course left out but like the entire case as a whole body cam footage interrogation footage jail calls back history of mackenzie all sorts of different things and it was like this mega mega deep dive then of course after watching the crash on netflix i was like there's a even more that netflix didn't bring into it and you know look it's not netflix's fault because a lot of the times what happens with these documentaries and the only reason i know this is because like you know working behind the scenes a little bit it's not netflix who outright produces these and like puts the storyboard together it's usually third parties who then sell it to netflix so so even though i know netflix is like catching strays on here which they don't deserve it's not really their fault because they may not know how much was left out but my point is there were a lot of things left out such as her time you know doing sex work which obviously doesn't necessarily matter and it's not important to the crash but there was some friction between her and dom already because he discovered that and he was upset and this leading up to the crash too they were having arguments about it via text message their are things left out about the parents trying to quiet down the friends so that they don't share information there's a point in which the dad tells the sergeant and it's right there in the police report in black and white that mackenzie did do this intentionally and when that was when she was getting super combative trying to leave the hospital so much so that they had to call the police into the hospital i mean a lot of things that i think illustrate a lot about her character as a person even if people came out of this coming you know kind of on the fence of could this have been an accident could this have been a medical emergency could this have been anything else i think all of this will give you context and show you absolutely not this is a spoiled entitled little child who is fully enabled by her parents and so in that second part two episode i talked about not only her bad behavior but the parents bad behavior and like the things that were left out so now i don't know is the right expression dovetailing in is that what i'm doing like segueing into this first case is i want to talk about these jail calls you may have seen some of them floating around we've talked about a couple of them in the past but there are a few that really stand out to me that i want to share with you while everybody is you know in this mackenzie shurilla black hole because there also have been some newly released calls and some of the things being said in these calls have left not only myself completely shocked but a lot of people completely shocked flabbergasted if you will now here's the quick refresher in case you did not watch the crash on netflix and you are not familiar with the case mackenzie was convicted in twenty twenty three of intentionally crashing her car at around one hundred miles per hour she crashed it into a brick building and she killed not only her boyfriend dom but their friend davion prosecutors argued that this was completely intentional that it was possibly intended to be a murder suicide maybe dom was breaking up with her maybe they were arguing she had driven recklessly like this in the past and had also threatened to crash the vehicle in the past so ultimately she was sentenced to two concurrent sentences of fifteen years to life meaning she will serve both of them side by side at the same time okay now fast forward to these newly released jail calls and one of the biggest things that people are reacting to is the way that mackenzie talks about herself in all of this how she continues to be the only one that matters and the only victim in this situation in one phone call with her mom she starts talking about how she doesn't think that she even needs rehabilitation she's already speaking about getting out of prison too like it's a guarantee not an if she gets released and gets parole someday but when and during that conversation she also starts spiraling about how old she will be when she gets out saying that she worries that she won't be able to have kids or a family anymore

[C]

take a listen i like how they try to make it like enjoyable there like i don't even like i don't want to enjoy life there but like it's just sad like i don't know no that's a rehabilitation see that's how jail is supposed to rehabilitate people but i don't need to be rehabilitated like i don't know i know you don't feel like i want to live off the grid like and i'm just i'm just thinking about like how i'm just gonna be like old when i get out of jail and like i don't know like i'm not gonna be able to have kids or like a family and like stop that stop that no because like i'm gonna have to ask danny if she can have like hold my baby for me and like eat healthy for me kenzie you're living wait just stop baby don't go there i know it's hard not to just wait

[Annie Elise]

okay so she literally says i feel like i want to live off the grid and then talks about how she's going to be old when she gets out of jail saying that she's going to have to ask somebody else to carry her baby for her because she's going to be so old again only prioritizing herself thinking about herself which fair i'm sure that like when you're in jail you're thinking through what life could have been like what you wish it would have been like and like some certain realizations are setting in but this one is extremely unsettling to a lot of people because we know dom and davion they don't ever have the opportunity of growing old at all she stripped that away from them but also she was sentenced to fifteen years to life concurrently meaning side by side sentences so she was seventeen or eighteen whatever when she went in that means she'll be out around what thirty three thirty four years old it's hardly saying you're going to be like ancient or some seventy year old when you get released you have your whole life ahead of you still and it just feels very like read the room right she just this chicken pisses me off she also complained in another part of the call that she quote doesn't want to live here with these people referring to the other inmates calling them murderers kidnappers which again people had a very strong reaction to this myself included considering mackenzie herself has been convicted of murder so she's acting as though she isn't you know around similar company and that there are not all like this is gonna be the wrong analogy but like not different strokes but like what am i looking for like same folks same strokes like you're all in there for a reason you're all bad right which don't i know somebody in the comments is going to be like well you know there's actually like the eighty or the eight percent like wrongfully accused which i i'm not talking about that okay so then there's this whole other aspect to it this social media piece this celebrity obsession piece because if you remember there was already a lot of criticism after mackenzie crashed that car because her mom was so hyper focused on getting her signed to modeling agencies still like working her social media commenting back to brands while mackenzie was in the hospital like that was their priority what was the social media spin going to be could we use this now as leverage to get her signed by an agency let's secure brand deals as soon as we can which is like so freaking gross in and of itself but that mentality has not gone away because in another recorded jail call mackenzie talked about wanting kim kardashian to become her lawyer which not for nothing and no shade to kim i know that the bar is very difficult to pass but she's not a lawyer she has failed the bar i think three times now so the person on the phone who hasn't been named at this point says we're gonna have her get you out and i think that's also because kim does a lot of work alongside the innocence projects and different things like that trying to get wrongfully accused people out of prison but mackenzie responded to that by saying tell her i buy skims all the time and i only wear skims as if that's gonna make kim a billionaire be like oh my god she buys skims let me totally go work her case and try to get her released but again mackenzie doesn't have a brain that has fully developed or even halfway developed in my opinion but take a listen this

[C]

sounds like my mom is like well maybe kim kardashian scene and i was like i hope yeah maybe ken will now that it's like all over i was like i mean that's the only thing that might be good about the whole media thing maybe kim will see it i don't know you have to figure out because i'm real nervous and i want kim kardashian to be my lawyer yeah don't expect to list that i could be your lawyer bro she's a lawyer she gets innocent people out of jail all the time kim works hard working out who she is miss kimberly we're gonna have her get you out all right and like and i will tell her i buy all her skins and i only wear skins so you too yeah literally so again the

[Annie Elise]

idea that wearing somebody else's shapewear brand somehow equates to them having or should rescue you from prison for murder it's just so far detached from reality and the fact that she doesn't understand this is bizarre to me and it gets even worse some of the comments that are getting the biggest backlash right now are the ones where mackenzie refers to herself as the third victim in the crash now this call this one happened before her sentencing when she was talking to her mom about her attorneys not wanting her to testify during the trial which personally they were very wise for that getting her on the stand would not have been i don't think that that would have been favorable to her at all but mackenzie said that she felt like if people could just see the truth then they would realize that it was quote nothing but a car accident and then she said they'll see that there's a third victim and it's me she also went on to say that she lost the love of her life and also a good friend which i find that kind of ironic considering her mom literally said during her statement that davion was a new friend which the judge ripped her a new asshole for rightfully so but she had said like now that she has to live with the grief and fear of driving for the rest of her life like oh i'm sorry after this double fatality crash now you're left with the fear of driving that's what your priority is again just zero remorse in my opinion and no accountability but once again take

[C]

a listen i'm saying an appeal takes like a year yeah no i hear you so i'll be sitting in jail for a year before my appeal is even may be seen kenzie we can't go there please just don't go there just live in right now okay i mean i hope they see the truth and they'll know that this was nothing but a car accident they'll just see that i there's a third victim and it's me and i agree lost the love of my life and a good friend and now i have to deal with this grief the rest of my life and deal with like being scared to drive and stuff like that just like

[Annie Elise]

now look obviously trauma after a car crash is very real i think depending on the circumstances depending on who's lost who's injured what happens you're left reeling from that and everybody is going to cope in different ways but calling yourself a victim after being convicted of intentionally causing the crash that killed two people it just is unbelievably tone deaf and somehow the phone calls with her friends got even worse at one point her mom passes the phone around to several of mackenzie's friends and one friend tells her that dominic is now her guardian angel another friend says that dominic is quote probably watching over her and mad that all of these people are doing this to her which this is the person you were convicted of murdering saying that he is now advocating for you and on your side it's just like it feels like such a slap in the face to the families who are grieving their loved ones because she's once again centering everything around her the her whole world revolves around herself we've even heard from cellmates now who have spoken out that she's trying to be regina george in prison she's like making out with people has hickeys all over her body she like is a mean girl all of these different things it doesn't appear as though she's grown up at all which doesn't really surprise me because going into this pre car crash she thought she owned the world she had boatloads of money from not only dom but from what she was doing as well which i go into more of that on that episode last week her parents never told her no they enabled her through and through so much so that i even talk about this too in the episode there were multiple times during in the hospital which is all documented in the police report when you can just tell that mackenzie runs the show her parents would be in the room with her a police officer would come in and she would yell at her parents saying don't talk to them without me here i need to know what's going on like then one of the cops brought like dollar one hundred sixty two that they had recovered from her purse or from the vehicle or whatever and like gave it to her mom being like hey we got this from the vehicle or this was on her maybe in her pocket or whatever it was but basically passing the cash to her mom and mackenzie's like you better put that in my fucking purse right now like she's the one who ran the show and it also kind of it's interesting the cellmate described her as regina george and now that i think about it it reminds me of that scene in mean girls where regina brings all the girls over to her house and she goes into the primary bedroom and she's all and lindsay lohan's like you know what i'm talking

[Amy]

about she's all she's like this is

[Annie Elise]

such a nice room she's all thanks it was my parents but i made them switch me like that's mackenzie that's

[Amy]

also emmy that is also emmy no

[Annie Elise]

honestly you're right that is also emmy i was gonna say but emmy doesn't have a mean bone in her body but she's got more than one she's

[Amy]

got looks that could disintegrate you right

[Annie Elise]

where you stand um so yeah i don't know this is just like it's very upsetting and basically the entire thing has just started another major conversation about accountability and remorse and whether or not mackenzie truly understands the severity of what happened that night because based on the way that she's acting and some of the things that she said it doesn't seem like it and when her parole hearing comes up in you know however many years ten years from now or whenever it is i can't imagine that they will grant her parole and grant her release if she does not take some sort of accountability if she still is saying it was a medical incident it was this it was that i don't remember i think that she's not doing herself any favors and i think she'll be she'll continue to be locked up that's my personal opinion so like where's the accountability when will it show its face or will it ever show its face and while we're talking about this really quick too i want to clarify something from that past episode i have been talking with dom's sister christine and more to come on that in the future but i did want to set the record straight on one thing i had mentioned that the blood sample that was taken at the er was discarded at the order of the physician which was in fact true however apparently there was another blood sample that was taken from the life flight or flight life or whatever it is from the night or the morning of the crash and that one was tested now if they performed all of the testing for the mushrooms the acid all of that or just the baseline which showed thc who knows but i wanted to just correct that piece of information after i spoke with the dom's sister and like i said more to come on that conversation what do you think of mackenzie

[Amy]

well i mean well so i have a lot of thoughts i need water i mean just as a quick note i've talked to quite a few people since who obviously knowing what i do and working with you oh did you watch the crash what are your thoughts and most people i talk to have not known any other information outside of the crash and most people who watch the crash have that hint of doubt that maybe there's some other explanation for it to which i always refer to your episodes and say not so fast but my thought is is she having all these realizations and these like aha moments of and just i'm in here with these people that aren't like me and all these things because she actually never pictured herself going to prison not because she thought she'd be found not guilty but because she intended to take her own life with theirs if if you're in the camp that believes that she rehearsed this thought about it had this plan for the next time she wanted to execute it did she think she was going to live to go

[Annie Elise]

through this i don't think that she ever thought that she was going to live but i have seen people say she never wore a seatbelt and that she did wear a seatbelt that morning i don't know to me that that's indicative enough to say one way or another but i can't imagine that she intended to live because in all of the previous threats that she made she would say like i'm gonna crash this car and like kill us both and do this like i think it was a fluke and i think that when she realized she survived that's when she panicked and said she didn't remember anything because she couldn't say that she intended to kill all of them because then like that's intention that would be like a first degree charge at that point and and she was trying to get away with you know reckless what or manslaughter whatever it was and so so

[Amy]

in some ways this is kind of the best punishment for her because she never envisioned a punishment she didn't think she was going to have to suffer a consequence but i also know she's in this place that she probably never envisioned herself and i hope she stays there forever because she doesn't have any remorse and we've heard so many accounts from other people saying that so her

[Annie Elise]

and her yes i also think though

[Amy]

like mise i think she's kind of

[Annie Elise]

a narcissist not kind of i think she is a narcissist to the degree of not even that she didn't envision herself in there but i think that she truly feels like she doesn't belong there and that she's above everybody else and has like maybe even talked herself into the fact that she is a victim in all of this somehow and like i truly just don't think that she has grasped the reality and i think a lot of that has to do with her parents and her upbringing

[Amy]

and what she and like the enabling

[Annie Elise]

yeah just the along the whole way she got whatever she wanted she used her body her looks to do whatever which fine do you like no shame on sex work at all but like there the relationship was so toxic that like what she did she just thought that she was untouchable she would post videos pre crash on snapchat while driving of her going ninety five miles bong

[Amy]

rips which that when i saw that i was like it's one thing to smoke weed recreationally and your parents not i'm not saying it's okay to be okay with it but if like hey she does this i'd rather her do this under supervision but when she's on camera driving behind i mean that is that was infuriating to watch i know

[Annie Elise]

i think she thought and currently thinks that she is untouchable and that she is above everybody else and it's weird too because you kind of saw that a little bit in the documentary like her friends so far weaseled up her ass like rosie like and that was weird which i'm like do you have a crush on her like what is

[Amy]

happening well and it'd be one thing if it truly you know there wasn't so much so much evidence supporting that this could have that this allegedly was premeditated and that this was a complete accident if that was the case then some of the comments about he's my guardian angel or he's probably looking down like how could this be happening those wouldn't be as weird to hear but given the scenario i mean it's yeah

[Annie Elise]

and a lot of people do think that it was premeditated not in that split second of her making the decision but because there was evidence found which netflix also did not include in her gps history that she did what they called a dry run yes three days before where she would never need to be in that neighborhood it wasn't anywhere near her house so people are like oh she scouted the area and then she did it which absolutely possible it very well could be i think it was more of a split decision i like in just in that moment because you see her also like round the corner very carefully very slowly and i said this in my episode it's difficult to decipher from the surveillance footage but when you're looking at her car taking the corner before she hits the gas there's a lot of reflections from the street lights but it looks like dom who is in the passenger seat has his phone on it looks like it's lit up so part of me was like was she asking him who he was texting what he was doing was

[Amy]

he saying was he trying to call

[Annie Elise]

for help exactly or was he saying like finally breaking up with her because they had been having a lot of issues up until this point not only the thing that happened two weeks prior where she threatened to crash the car but the discovery of her like letting that guy have sex with her feet for money and again all of this is in the episode guys and so i'm like is that what triggered it because he was doing so and she's like and that because she was so calm before that and then just floored

[Amy]

it but what triggered them to leave the house early in the morning rather than they were all over there for the slumber party to do something the following day yeah by all accounts that we heard on the netflix doc which obviously some things are missing was that he was stroking her hair they were laying down lovey dovey all night and then the next thing we know they're driving home early in the morning so was it a fight at the house

[Annie Elise]

i think it probably was something that stemmed at paul's house only because she fell asleep when paul came downstairs to get water she was asleep all the other friends were awake i could see her waking up and this is just me speculating guys but i could see her waking up and being like why aren't you asleep too like you know like when you would get mad is that like when you're a kid it's so stupid you're like why are you up why are you partying with your friends like why aren't you asleep when i'm asleep like it happens or she

[Amy]

went through his phone or something i

[Annie Elise]

don't know like something to wear there and then like davion unfortunately gets in the car with them i've also seen a lot of allegations and like i said i've been talking with dom's sister more to come on this in the near future so make sure you're following but i have seen people say she didn't like the friendship that davion and dom had she felt felt threatened by it because davion was also encouraging dom to like look after himself and just very toxic so i think she sucks i think she definitely did this intentionally has no remorse and she's where she

[Amy]

belongs and i think she survived for a reason so she could suffer the consequences because had she died in that crash as well who knows if they would have done an investigation i mean i'm sure they would have but like

[Annie Elise]

she wouldn't have been able to pay

[Amy]

real confidence or face the families and

[Annie Elise]

have like true accountability but can you like going back to that comment she made about her being too old when she gets out i get it she's young but she's not so young that she can't grasp the reality that like if you're released at thirty three or thirty four years old you have your whole life ahead of you and you just took the lives of two young men who had their whole lives out of you so for you to be bitching and complaining being like i'm gonna have to have somebody else carry my baby i'm gonna be so old when

[Amy]

i get so she has no self awareness none whatsoever none hate her and her parents did not assist with that no i mean they encourage they are equally they are the worst the worst

[Annie Elise]

the worst of the worst well speaking

[Amy]

of alpine divorce no speaking of horrible children yes all right so i want to talk about this next case that's absolutely wild involving the death of isaac andik the billionaire founder of mango clothing because what was originally believed to be just this tragic hiking accident is now turning into a full blown homicide investigation involving his own son back on december fourteenth twenty twenty four isaac died after falling more than five hundred feet down a steep rocky cliff in the montserrat mountain range outside of barcelona spain and his son jonathan was the only witness there that day jonathan initially told police that they were hiking and that he had been walking ahead of his dad when he suddenly heard rocks falling behind him and that's when he turned around and realized his father had fallen off the cliff and at the time authorities treated it as a horrible accident and the case was officially closed just one month after and labeled an accidental death but then things quietly started changing behind the scenes a few weeks after the case was closed jonathan was reportedly questioned again for about three hours and investigators noticed inconsistencies in his story because this time he allegedly told him that he and his dad had actually been much closer together during the hike than he had originally claimed they were in fact almost side by side and then in march twenty twenty five spanish investigators asked the court to reopen the case specialized cybercrime units allegedly began digging through phone data gps metadata cell tower pings timestamps basically investigating anything and everything they could to piece together the entire timeline surrounding isaac's death and according to reports coming out now investigators started finding things that didn't line up with jonathan's version of events for one investigators believe that the kind of slip and fall that jonathan described would have been very unlikely in the exact location where isaac fell they also allegedly found a footprint near the edge that they said wasn't consistent with someone accidentally slipping and then the forensic findings raised even more questions because reports claim isak's injuries and body position looked less like a random fall and more as if he had launched himself down a slide feet first there were also issues with jonathan's statements about his dad's phone jonathan allegedly told police that izak had been taking photos just moments before the fall but when isaac's body was recovered the phone was reportedly still inside his pocket and then there's the digital evidence that investigators are focusing on phone records allegedly showed that jonathan had visited the exact site of the fall three separate times in the week before his father died on december seventh eighth and tenth which obviously that looks extremely suspicious and then around the same time that reports started saying the investigation had been reopened jonathan's own phone suddenly disappeared and he had later told investigators that it had been stolen during a trip to ecuador what do you think no just

[Annie Elise]

a coincidence okay the fact that he went three separate times to this hiking trail the week before his father slipped and fell then when they reopened the case his phone where'd my phone go

[Amy]

oh it got stolen ps yeah like bro no no i know no so as this investigation started to get more and more in depth by late twenty twenty five jonathan's status had officially changed from witness to homicide suspect his sisters and uncle were also questioned as investigators looked deeper into their family dynamics their inheritance issues and the future control of mango after isaac's death and honestly one of the biggest things investigators and people in general seem to be focusing on is the relationship between jonathan and his father isaac according to court records investigators believe there had been growing tension between isaac and jonathan especially especially because isaac reportedly wanted to start a charity which investigators say may have changed who would have gotten what when it came to an inheritance investigators even alleged that jonathan was quote obsessed with money saying that isaac supposedly felt pressured to give him parts of the inheritance early just to keep their relationship one court document even claimed that jonathan had expressed feelings of resentment hatred blame and ideas surrounding death toward his dad but jonathan has denied all of this and said that their relationship was in fact really good then on may nineteenth of this year after nearly a year long investigation jonathan was officially arrested in barcelona prosecutors wanted jonathan held in jail while the investigation continued but the judge ultimately granted him a one million euro bail which is equivalent to about one point one six million us dollars with the conditions being that he had to turn over his passport cannot travel anywhere and has to do weekly court check ins and as expected jonathan posted bail that same day and was released then jonathan wrote a letter to the staff at mango that called the allegations quote the most serious and unfounded accusation a person can face and said that he would be stepping down as vice chair of the company so that he could focus on dismantling the narrative that had been created about him and now even through everything that has come out publicly the entire andick family is publicly standing by him in a statement the family said there does not exist nor will there exist legitimate evidence against him so this case that looked like an extremely tragic hiking accident involving one of the most richest and powerful businessmen in spain has now completely transformed into a murder investigation and involving his own son so we'll keep our eyes on this one and keep you updated as we learn more but i know that it's been in the news quite a bit and we've had a lot

[Annie Elise]

of questions about it yeah i had read somewhere and i don't know the accuracy of it but something where the dad had retired and he passed the reins to his son and his son was like i don't know not in debt but like caught made a business decision that cost the company like i want to say one hundred sixty million or something like that so much so that the dad like had tried to throw him a bone to be like okay you're the successor like take the reins then he had to come out of retirement and basically fix all of those issues and i think you had said too like how at one point the dad was going to give him some of the inheritance early just to maintain that relationship like almost just appease him so it seems as though like and i don't really know but like based on what i have read and what you had shared i think this kid or this not this kid but this guy like has no real qualifications to be a businessman no less running this massive company mango which mango i'm pretty sure is a part of inditex which if it is inditex and i know this just from my fashion days owns zara bersha poland bear like all of the things and it's based out of spain i actually toured their factories once it was pretty insane but and i think mango is a part of it i can't remember but anyway i think that it's like yeah he thought that he was entitled he was going to be the next one stepping into his dad's shoes you know couldn't have

[Amy]

it it's giving nick reiner yes like entitled son who thinks he's deserving he's under qualified but there was also a

[Annie Elise]

lot of mental health with that yes

[Amy]

but just from the entitlement and like the appeasing and like giving opportunities to try to let them forge their own way yeah and then your hatred is

[Annie Elise]

like targeted at them rather than your

[Amy]

own shortcomings well especially if it sounds like he's trying to lead this charitable endeavor endeavor and that's going to take away from what's his right and he's feeling threatened by that and yeah and

[Annie Elise]

i mean to do a walk through three different times the week before you're obviously scouting locations for where you're going to in my opinion you know push him and make the plan come to life it doesn't it's not innocent by any means and i think the family standing behind him that doesn't surprise me at all because if it's this successful huge family they don't want their legacy being tarnished they are going to stand by him hello even look at the royals that's a perfect example yeah prince charles or king charles i should say now has like spoken out about prince andrew being like we want the court to like you know we want it to run its course and do their due diligence but like nobody's outright yeah exactly so that doesn't really make me sway one way or another and it's giving we talked about alpine divorce which is the new term of like when spouses take their partner on a hike or like brian hooker to on the water on a boat and like that's where the mystique like mysterious person 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make a whole lot of sense or it's just like the dumbest people on the planet it involves an influencer named gabby gonzalez and her ex jack avery two people who at one point were this young social media music industry couple that a lot of fans followed online very very closely so i want to rewind for a second and go into how it all started and what really transpired here so jack avery was one of the members of a boy band called why don't we which they got hugely popular in the late two thousand ten s so around that same time he was dating gabriella gonzalez better known online as gabby gonzalez who had built a pretty heavy following herself on instagram and now recently tiktok so the two of them eventually had a daughter together named lavender who's now seven years old but after their relationship ended things between them apparently became very contentious behind the scenes especially when it came to custody and when it came to co parenting issues involving lavender and now prosecutors are saying that somewhere between twenty twenty and twenty twenty one things allegedly escalated way beyond family court drama according to investigators gabby's dad francisco became really involved in the custody battle in late twenty twenty one witness allegedly even described him and the entire family as being quote obsessed with keeping jack away from lavender and apparently her dad francisco had also made comments about how it would be cheaper if jack were just dead than continuing the court process which honestly that statement alone i mean unbelievable right so investigators allege that in april of twenty twenty one francisco and gabby brought gabby's then boyfriend kai into this situation and brought him in as a middleman all to allegedly help locate and hire someone to then kill her ex jack and not just like find someone on the street but use the dark web to source somebody authorities say that her dad francisco allegedly bankrolled the entire thing as well this entire plot and scheme he sent kai about ten thousand dollars so that he could then find someone and pay someone on the dark web for this hit and the payment that he transferred him was labeled as being for quote web development services i guess that was like a half truth maybe like hidden a little bit but also in plain sight because it was web based i don't know then in june of twenty twenty one francisco sent kai another four thousand dollars and this was going to be used to hire an a quote expert hitman so prosecutors say that the group together collectively spent months after this having heavily coded conversations about bitcoin payments also about verifying the target and deciding how the murder would allegedly be carried out and then somehow these details got even darker like they do when you're involved in the dark web okay prosecutors say that gabby and her co conspirators wanted proof that jack had actually been killed they specifically asked for a severed pinky finger as confirmation now whether that was to serve as strictly confirmation or as some sort of trophy who the hell really knows but obviously they were very serious about this plan right authorities also claimed that her dad wanted jack's death staged so that it would look like an accident specifically a deadly car accident which people are especially focused on this detail because francisco is apparently a longtime personal injury attorney so a lot of people are now looking at the allegation and wondering if there could have been some sort of deeper meaning or reason to why he wanted it done that way and even if it's not a deeper meaning it could be because he's been exposed to so many car crashes throughout his career that he would know what's real what's not how to make how to set the stage how to make it seem legit who really knows then comes a twist in all of this the person that they thought they were hiring on the dark web as this hitman like we have seen in so many cases was actually an undercover cop and that's really one of the only reasons that this murder never even happened which thank god it's because law enforcement had already been involved from pretty much day one in stopping this plan before anything could actually ever be carried out so the plan gets foiled they realize who's behind it what really happened and jack spoke out publicly for the first time on may twenty first after gabby and her father were arrested saying that he's very relieved that gabby's in custody and that their daughter lavender is safe with him he thanked law enforcement for their work on the investigation and he also thanked fans for supporting him throughout everything that's happened but as for where things stand right now gabby has officially been charged with attempted murder conspiracy to commit murder and solicitation of murder this according to the la county district attorney's office her father francisco and her now ex boyfriend kai are also facing the same felony charges now since all this went down gabby has appeared in court where a judge ordered that she cannot post about this case on social media she also has to follow a protective order that prohibits gets contact with both jack and her daughter lavender her bail was set at two million dollars she has since posted it under the conditions of gps monitoring and surrendering her passport and also that she can't post about it on social which i get that social media is like a big thing these days but the fact that a judge even has to say like hey you can't post on social about this i feel like that should be a no brainer but apparently it's not so she has waived entering a plea until july twenty third and we will see what happens there but we know this is going to probably have a very long digital trail we'll see who flips on who i would imagine the now scorned ex boyfriend is going to flip on both of them and start you know what is it singing like a canary

[Amy]

wow we're just full of horrible things

[Annie Elise]

full of them but i mean thank god this didn't happen can you imagine that seven year old little girl and then like and i that's why i'll say and i know they they're not together anymore but like just get a divorce and move on because now you're pissed over custody so much so that you're going to off your the co parent but now you're putting your child in a situation who you were so pissed about the custody arrangement for to

[Amy]

be without any parents it makes no

[Annie Elise]

sense the most selfish thing you could

[Amy]

possibly do understand there's no logic that logic obviously it's to punish the other parent right but also have we learned nothing like why are we hiring hitman off the dark web no have we

[Annie Elise]

learned nothing or like a bar like so you look like you're hard up for five grand you want to kill

[Amy]

my yeah it's like what it's people are just they really take the biggest risks and i do not understand but

[Annie Elise]

it's because some people will take the payout remember there was a case we covered not too long ago where the payout was i think five hundred and somebody did it yeah which i get it times are tough but like not

[Amy]

enough no i mean more the person hiring the hitman like and just for the i don't know none of it makes sense get a grip get a

[Annie Elise]

grand get a grip honestly honestly get a grip get a grip we need to put that on a shirt yes and also honestly new merch some a lot of people on the kayla huff episode this week because i said in it like look guys there's not a lot of information there's minors involved i'm not a detective but i am nosy and they're like put that on merch i'm all it is on merch played

[Amy]

me we already have a shirt that

[Annie Elise]

says that but we'll update it on new merch for you eye roll but yeah it is on merch it is

[Amy]

on merch all right well this next one is one of the weirdest mysteries unfolding no it's so weird that i

[Annie Elise]

can't even follow it so i i need you to break it down no

[Amy]

i i was like on a deep

[Annie Elise]

dive yeah i i don't understand i don't understand i don't what's that for i don't know i don't understand i don't know i don't know and i don't know this girl is like so

[Amy]

popular well there's another twist like every single day so nobody can figure out

[Annie Elise]

what's going on okay hit hit us

[Amy]

it involves katie price and her husband lee andrews now if you're not familiar with katie price she's a huge celebrity in the uk she first became famous back in the late nineties and early two thousands as a glamour model but over the years she's basically become one of the biggest tabloid personalities in britain she's done reality tv music books modeling podcasts honestly just a little bit of everything and her relationships and personal life have constantly made headlines over the years and then there's lee andrews who before their relationship most people had never honestly even heard of him so sorry lee for catching a straight here and then

[Annie Elise]

there's lee before nobody ever heard this

[Amy]

nobody knew this guy beforehand so lee presents himself online as a millionaire businessman living in dubai and after he and katie got together earlier this year their relationship moved very very fast like really fast the two reportedly got married in january of twenty twenty six after only knowing each other after a matter of

[Annie Elise]

days it's giving nick richie i was

[Amy]

just gonna say that in shay lamas

[Annie Elise]

yeah one hundred one hundred because didn't they meet in vegas and they got married that same weekend same didn't am

[Amy]

i making this up but travis barker and shannon moakler or maybe i'm making that up sorry for the i don't know rumors that i just know i don't know but yeah definitely nick richie yeah well and from the beginning people were already skeptical of the relationship not only because of how quickly it happened but also because lee lives in dubai and despite being married he still never actually came to the uk to be with katie in person after the wedding so after the last couple of months speculation has started building that maybe there's some kind of reason he can't travel whether that was legal issues financial problems or some kind of travel restriction then on may twelfth that speculation picked up after katie and lee were both supposed to appear together on good morning britain and katie made it to the interview but lee never showed up katie claimed that he had simply missed his flight but after hearing lee wouldn't be there producers from the show reportedly contacted the foreign office and were told quote we supported a british man who was detained in the uae and after hearing this when the host asked katie directly whether lee had been arrested she said no according to her she messaged lee asking if he was the detained british man that they were talking about and he allegedly sent back a voice note saying it wasn't him along with laughing emojis

[Annie Elise]

which okay fair because if you are doing something so outrageous sending a voice

[Amy]

note yes right okay then later that same day lee uploaded a video to instagram claiming he was at an airport in oman and had only been delayed being because he had quote a couple of things to sort out first that feels like a red flag but almost immediately as you would imagine people started picking apart that video some people claim the airport in the background actually looked more like the dubai airport than oman others pointed out that it didn't even look that he had passed through security yet and that questioned whether he was actually flying anywhere at all like maybe

[Annie Elise]

he just parked and went into the

[Amy]

airport like footage for evidence an alibi as you would say wow okay and so that's where things really started getting strange on may thirteenth lee's ex took to instagram and warned katie that he had allegedly done something very similar to her before according to the x lee had pretended he was flying out to visit her back in twenty twenty five even posed with luggage and airport photos sounds similar and claimed he was on his way and then actually never showed up so now people are starting to wonder if this entire relationship situation was falling apart in real time online and then on may fourteenth katie announced that lee would be stepping away from social media because of all the quote trolling and speculation surrounding their marriage again covering for him is what it seems yeah

[Annie Elise]

not trolling just questioning but oh oh

[Amy]

then just two days later story took a massive turn on may sixteenth katie uploaded a youtube video claiming that lee wasn't taking a social media break at all he was actually missing she said that she hadn't spoken to him in three days that his shared location had disappeared on may thirteenth and that none of her messages have been delivered since then and then katie made a claim that sent social media into a huge frenzy she said that now she was wondering if lee had been kidnapped snapped from the airport i don't know from the fake airport well according to katie dubai authorities were searching for him but nobody could find any record showing he had officially been detained anywhere in the country she also claimed she briefly reached him through facetime and said that he appeared with ties around his hands and a hood over his head before allegedly telling her look they're coming back for me and from there the story just completely exploded online was lee actually missing why couldn't katie his wife get in touch with him there was so much back and forth in the story about where he was that none of it made any sense and by the next day may seventeenth lee's family officially filed a missing persons report oh so his

[Annie Elise]

family couldn't get in touch with him

[Amy]

either yeah okay then on may eighteenth reports started surfacing claiming lee was actually staying in a slightly rundown villa and using a burner phone to communicate with only a small group of people there were also reports claiming that interpol was looking for him red flag is this

[Annie Elise]

a movie no i know what the

[Amy]

hell right okay so katie continued posting online saying that she hadn't heard from him while more and more people started saying that the whole thing had to be fake or a hoax just to get attention from him or from her or from both well some people thought that lee had staged his own disappearance others thought katie was somehow involved but the general idea was that people believe the whole thing was just this huge publicity stunt then another major twist came out involving what were allegedly lee's final text messages to katie according to reports on may fourteenth lee allegedly texted katie quote been arrested i'll be in touch i'm okay he allegedly claimed authorities had taken his other phone and he was near a black site which is a secret government facility i can't and reportedly told katie to contact the british embassy before all communication stopped well hold on

[Annie Elise]

just going back to that date the fourteenth is when she said he was taking a social media break but that same day he texted her saying been arrested i'll be in touch so she was covering yeah and it wasn't a social media break he's been arrested she's covering for him but then a day later whatever he has a hood over his head and he's on a black site which how would he know it's a black site only government officials know it's black like if you want to see well i'm standing on nuclear waste right now like what are you talking

[Amy]

and at this point is katie in on it because we're we're confused here

[Annie Elise]

going my head is spinning well well

[Amy]

well over the weekend there is another bizarre place there was people noticed lee's instagram account had followed somebody new an american biker babe named mari sol and this is pretty obvious because before this he was only following katie so when

[Annie Elise]

you're on a black site and there's no contact you can follow a biker babe yeah you can follow a biker

[Amy]

you have access to that okay okay got it well apparently katie like all of us women was furious and confused by it fair she hadn't heard from him in over a week had been asking people for help out looking for him and was really holding onto this idea that he wouldn't have faked his own disappearance but then how would we as we were wondering how would he have followed this woman on instagram if he was really missing arrested or didn't have his phone or either phone for

[Annie Elise]

that matter no and if he only had a burner phone he's at a black site he has a hood over his head his hands are tied call the embassy call the embassy follow like hello like come on you know what it's giving what is that show that was on netflix back in the early two thousand twenties and people wanted the crossover of anna delvey and him he's

[Amy]

the scammer oh from fyre fest no

[Annie Elise]

no no no the guy that was like the dubai rich guy but he had all these women sending him money and planes not the tinder swindler yes

[Amy]

the tinder actually i was thinking tindler i can't even say that tindler swindler when i was looking at this case that's what i was thinking too is like the elusive yeah guy that's always

[Annie Elise]

gone but for everything and it's all so dramatic people are after him and you have to transfer money come on okay continue watch it's gonna have a twist and i'm gonna like be another phrase eating crowd i hope not because

[Amy]

i want to hear you say that

[Annie Elise]

ew i hate birds okay go ahead

[Amy]

well over this last weekend lee's father claimed that lee had contacted him and that he was alive safe and under arrest in the uae but allegedly didn't know where he was being held or what charges he was facing he also made it a point to say that lee is not at his house which some people say was really odd to be so specific about well yeah if

[Annie Elise]

he's arrested and in custody obviously is not at his house right well i

[Amy]

think they're saying like did the dad make that up what did he really contact him and say he was arrested and he's trying to but he's not at my house like don't worry about

[Annie Elise]

that oh i thought he meant like at lee's own house got it okay

[Amy]

but katie still hasn't heard from lee so at this point honestly nobody knows what's really going on or what's true anymore wesley arrested did he fake his disappearance is he hiding from something does his family know more than what they're saying every update in the story obviously just keeps getting crazier and crazier so my biggest question is it sounds like katie was duped and that she doesn't know didn't know it was going on but that she was also covering him in some cases incidences so was she in denial then or there's two things

[Annie Elise]

that i think are gonna crack this thing wide open okay one you don't marry somebody after only knowing them a couple of days two you're not going to crime con you're going to dubai and i need you to investigate this i need boost on the ground what

[Amy]

the hell is he's real and we're in love oh god imagine you're like we got married you cannot send jess

[Annie Elise]

no we cannot send jess jess would

[Amy]

be in love she'll defend him yeah

[Annie Elise]

because she as she says so like

[Amy]

the bitter babe was just a decoy

[Annie Elise]

oh god yeah he yeah he's innocent this is so is he like gone girling himself but like but also like

[Amy]

if you're faking a disappearance please stop your social media following like and what's

[Annie Elise]

the end game here is it because he's gonna ask her for money because there's a ransom or a bail amount or something like that is it because he is such a coward he wants to break things off with her and like he's doing it in the most dramatic way possible like what's the end game here who is this guy i

[Amy]

think he's had a lot of probably dishonest stuff going on and it was all about to come to a head and when he was faced with going on good morning britain and couldn't go to britain it all kind of backfired

[Annie Elise]

on him yeah and the ex saying he's done this before where he had his bags packed so like can he not travel anywhere and like but he goes into the airport lobby and takes these selfies and like tick tocks of him jumping over the suitcase and ending up in a new country he's definitely

[Amy]

not a social media guy he doesn't even know how to properly take a photo that looks like you're in the airport you're saying yeah okay look i

[Annie Elise]

know this isn't true crime but i'm

[Amy]

fascinated i'm sad i'm going to dubai

[Annie Elise]

no i am i want to know what's going on here if anybody else does i know this isn't a well it's not it's a mystery podcast i guess it's not like because this isn't pop culture but like do you want to know more about this i'm sat i want to follow this and like ride this wave out and see like

[Amy]

what happens here i'm very interested i'm

[Annie Elise]

invested and at the time of this recording there probably have been about three more updates so maybe we will have to update you because there is new

[Amy]

stuff coming out all the time i feel a series coming on series oh

[Annie Elise]

god maybe we'll update you from crime con is he going to vegas he

[Amy]

can't get on a plane yeah you're

[Annie Elise]

right where is he we don't even know where are you all right guys that is it for headline highlights this week for all of you who are going to crime con come see us at the booth come take pics come say hello introduce yourselves i also will be at a blackjack table i'm sure

[Amy]

at some point i told the team that we were gonna have to pry your fingers off the wheel of fortune machine because you have a massive problem

[Annie Elise]

yeah the wheel of fortune at the

[Amy]

airport through every casino on the way out it never stops i just like

[Annie Elise]

it's kind of like if i ever did meth i feel like this is what it would feel like where it's like i just need it to land on spin i just need it it's like a dopamine hit and like you

[Amy]

do win i do so it doesn't help the cause to try to get you to stop because you always end

[Annie Elise]

up ahead but then i never know when to stop that's my problem jeremiah doesn't know when to stop jeremiah plays baccarat and he gets so into it where he like is like so superstitious like pulling the cards folding them i'm like you're like one beat away from

[Amy]

a closer you're also the best hype man yeah like if you want to gamble and you want a reason to like stay until four am stay out till four go to the club or you want to make that big bet that you're a little nervous to make he will encourage you he will push

[Annie Elise]

you to do it but even if it's irresponsible like literally oh especially if it's irresponsible if your house is in foreclosure and like if dorit were with us at the tables and she's all i don't know should i double down on a six and a two he'd

[Amy]

be like do it absolutely so i mean if you're looking for a hype

[Annie Elise]

man god bless him yeah all right see you in vegas everyone and also i will see you next week but go listen to all the episodes that already dropped on both the feeds this week tend to life and serial lessly and those two mackenzie episodes from last week so that you can get fully caught up before our special episode that is coming up soon all right that's a wrap farewell bye bye