Q (1:49)

Is clay as clay as grass is grass?

Andy (1:50)

You know, it's clay the same.

Q (1:52)

Why are they different? Well, one, it just started off, like, based on what you had, right? Lawn tenants existed in England, Right. And then clay was native to lots of parts of Europe, so they started using the natural resources. So then 120 years later, we're still stuck with. With what it is. But I don't know. I love the difference in services, specifically to tennis, just because they kind of magnified different skill sets. Right. Like, Pete Sampras is, like the greatest fast court player, like, ever. And then clay mitigated everything he did. Well, like, it literally slowed down a serve, less pace on the forehand, can't get forward as much. The movement's a lot different. So I just think it's a fascinating conversation. I think it differentiates us from a lot of other sports where it's like you switch the conditions. You can play one person one week you switch the conditions and the entire, you know, potential win percentage can flip and be, be opposite 70, 30, 30, 70. I think it's cool that the places are specific to different regions of Earth. I think, you know, I think it's cool that Spaniards are great on clay and Americans have traditionally been good on grass and hard. And I think that's all part of the kind of melting pot of tennis. Um, but clay court season, not my favorite as a player, as a fan, love it.

Andy (3:12)

I this is kind of a follow up for me. Can you talk about the differences in the clay surfaces? You know, are they drastically different when you're down in Brazil versus when you are playing in Houston versus when you're playing in.

Q (3:25)

Can you talk about like so most Americans, if you play on clay at your club, it's probably green clay and so similar to, as I tell you, like the pace of the court. Like if you rub a tabletop, it's smooth, ball goes through quick sandpaper checks. If you take green clay and rub it between your fingers, it'll probably feel a little bit more like salt, like where it's kind of hard and firm. If you go to Roland Garros, it's almost like powder, it's like baking powder. So they all are a little bit different. I like the thick clay cause I wasn't a native mover, so I feel like I could commit a little bit more. Whereas the European clay can really expose movement because you have to be so precise in light and like flow. And I was not my, no ideal, I was not flow state. But yeah, there are differences, you know, similar to, you know, you have not quite as extreme. But Indian Wells hardcore plays completely different than like Miami hardcore. Different, different places, countries, regions, tournaments. The clay feels different.

Andy (4:22)

Agassi remains the last American to win a clay court ATP Masters 1000 title until Ben Shelton reached Munich in April of last year. Agassiz Rome run was the last time an American reached a clay final above an ATP 250. Do you think that rarity of clay court, and this is a question from Sylvia, do you think that rarity of clay courts in the US might be hurting the prospects of American male players?

Q (4:49)

Yeah, I hear that all the time and I don't disagree with it. I think there's like multiple factors. One, like clay is rare. It's not the default surface in the States like you warmer climates, there's more clay, right? You go to Florida and there's way more clay. But I always heard that. I was like, we have to do something to make our players better on clay all the time, we need to play year round on clay. I'm like, I don't know. There's three grand slams on hardened grass. Are we going to commit time and resources to addressing the worst of it and still have to go through Rafa? That doesn't seem smart. Right. If you get like a pie chart of time committed, I don't know. And then also, no one actually ever really cared that the clay court specialists from Spain would lose in Wimbledon. There didn't seem to be an obsession with that. So maybe I'm probably biased in this conversation, but. Yeah. Do we want to improve? Yes. Is it going to be easy based on the fact that we do everything overhand, so we're going to serve better, which is going to lend itself to being better?

Andy (5:56)

You mean like, historically, sports, we do everything overhand?

Q (5:59)

Yes. Like, you know, if you're. If your feet are constantly kicking and catching soccer balls and like, delivering, then obviously you get to clay and it's a little bit. Your footwork's a little bit. A little bit cleaner, a little bit better. So. Yeah. Do we want to improve on clay? Absolutely. Do we need to upend all systems for two months and four tournaments? I don't think so.

Andy (6:20)

I mean, an American woman's a reigning French Open champion, right?

Q (6:25)

Correct.

Andy (6:25)

So she figured it out.

Q (6:26)

She did. She's also a lot of time in Florida where there's clay.

Andy (6:29)

Oh, look at that. So Joel actually sent us an email asking a question which I think ties into what we just said about Shelton. What aspects of Shelton's game translate well to clay and grass, and what does he need to improve on or change to be more of a contender on those surfaces?

Q (6:47)

I mean, that serve translates anywhere. Potato patch. Like when you can serve 140 and then kick it over someone's head both ways, that tends to work. His ball flight on his forehead naturally has a lot of spin on it. You know, I think as. As the surfaces have become kind of more mono surface, I think the entire thing is like, can Ben beat me today with his backhand? Which is tough because there's only so many people that can neutralize the serve on clay. People have more time to find space over there. Right. Whereas, like, if his serve comes even quicker, you're kind of. You don't have time to take a full swing and redirect. So I think clay is just going to be the toughest surface for him. Grass. He played really well last year, Wimbledon, you know, he doesn't have to Play center. He's looking at a semi or final

Andy (7:34)

potentially in our show this week. This is just me following up on our show this week. You had talked about, you know, kind of Fritz maybe, you know, he's due to injury, stepping out of the Rolex Masters. Do you think it's he's at this point of his career, unlike maybe like a Shelton where like he should focus on the other surfaces more just to maintain health if you're hurt?

Q (7:55)

Yeah, I mean, if he's healthy and he wants to go play. I mean, like, listen, I've given Taylor a lot of credit on the show for being just a workhorse. He. He shows up every week and unlike a lot of people who show up every week, he competes every week. Like the guy's an uber professional. But also, if you have a lingering knee issue, you take the time during the parts of the year where you're probably going to be the least successful. Like, is it smart to play through at Indian Wells in Miami? Yeah, probably. Your likelihood of playing through that there and getting a result. It didn't work out for him because there's no script in tennis. But yeah, I mean, if I had something bothering me, I was more likely to try to heal it during the part of the season that was the biggest struggle for me. Not only style wise, but, you know, physically on a knee. If you're not a natural mover, you can put more stress on the body that way. I think if Taylor's hurt, this is like a no brainer for him to take off this K pop.

Ella (8:50)

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Q (9:03)

It is an honor to share.

Ella (9:05)

No, it's our honor.

Q (9:07)

It is our larger honor.

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Q (9:17)

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Andy (10:18)

This part of the year, since stan won the US Open to close out 2016, only two men have won a slam besides the big three, or Janik and Carlos. That'd be team and 2020, the US Open and medi 2021 US Open. So Hannah asked if Carlos, Janik and Novak were out of the picture, who would be your winning predictions for men's slams? And I think we should just keep this just to the French Open because we might have this question again soon. But who would be your prediction if.

Q (10:47)

At the French Open? Yeah, I love answering questions about the French Open. We haven't played a tournament on clay yet. It's my favorite Zverev.

Andy (10:57)

That's what Megan said.

Q (10:58)

Yeah. I mean, he's been in the final. He's one master series on it. Like, you go back and you recreate his career and you take out those names you just said, and he's looking at five or six slams. It's not the way the world works. I wish it did personally, but like, yeah, it's verif. It's gonna be a lot. But then. But then you take those names out of it, and then all of a sudden you have 10 people who are like, you know, fees catches a gear and they're like, I don't know. Why not?

Andy (11:24)

Yeah.

Q (11:25)

You know, and the answer right now is like, you know, Alcaraz and Sinner

Andy (11:28)

Novak, who are kind of the top three. You know, you think clay court specialists

Q (11:34)

heading into this well, specialist is weird because that implies that they kind of are only good on clay. Musetti comes to mind. He always plays great on clay. Not Mehdi on this one. That's. That's not it. I mean, it's so weird because all the same guys play well on every surface now. Musetti was top of mind. I'm sure I'm missing. I'm sure I'm missing someone, but I mean, it's very. He's not a special. He's not a click word specialist. Yeah, it might not even be his

Andy (12:04)

best surface Damn good player.

Q (12:06)

Well, he knows how to play. He plays great on clay. Like, he needs more on that forehand. He needs like his biggest weakness is what the forehand. When someone rushes into that side clay, you have more time. His ball flight is loopy. That plays better on clay. He moves well on clay, especially for someone as big as he is, he would be the safest choice. But I mean, the odds for 10 players would look significant, significantly different.

Andy (12:29)

Before we get, we have a new segment that we're going to bring into Q and Andy's before I get to it, because it'll be what we do to close it. Do you have any final thoughts heading into clay season? What was your like when you did play it? How were you mentally preparing yourself?

Q (12:43)

A non negotiable is you have to like the fitness level on clay, longer points. Whereas like Wimbledon, you want to train to where you are, quick, twitch, strong, fast bursts. And that's not, that's not the, what you need to be on clay. But every point is going to be, you know, if you average out the points, are they 10% longer, 20% longer? You have to be prepared for that. Like, you're not going to be able to be short on endurance and, and, and good on clay. You have to kind of get into the mentality where you, you have to force yourself to be a little bit more patient. That was hard for me. Like, it was a physical test, it was a mental test. You know, different temperatures. Like, you go over to Europe and one day you're going to be at 40, and the next day you're going to be at 75. Like, it's, you kind of have to be ready for a totally different style than you've seen in like Indian Wells in Miami.

Andy (13:31)

Megan had a good question before we get to the last thing it's. She had asked, you know, would a player construct a point differently, you know, than, than other surfaces on clay?

Q (13:43)

Yeah. Height is your friend. Like, you can't just bully the ball through the middle of the court flat, right? It doesn't, it's not. If it's not getting on you with pace quickly, like grass, you come in on a great chip, it's going to work. Clay coming on a great chip, someone's probably there sliding and can create spin. So you absolutely construct almost every point differently on clay. Like, you know, you look at Rafa, why was he good on clay? Because the ball's up out of the zone and he has time. When he has time, he rips it bigger with more spin than anyone in history. Like, that's not a coincidence, you know, Whereas, like a fast hard court or a grass court, which he also won on, but you feel like you can get through the court on a first serve. You can play the points quickly, you can rush him on those other surfaces. It's so hard to rush someone like that on clay, which is just, like, brutal to think about.

Andy (14:29)

All right, so this last segment, Ella gets a lot of questions from people. She gets a lot of emails from people@askandyrfpodcast.com. did I get that right, Sean? But so in. In this spreadsheet, of all the questions that we have there, there are some random ones.

Q (14:44)

Okay.

Andy (14:44)

And so we're going to close out every show from now on with a random question for Andy.

Q (14:48)

Great.

Andy (14:48)

And so this one is, which ATP player would you least want to fight? And why is it Karen Hatching off?

Q (14:59)

That's funny.

Andy (15:00)

That's from our friend Matt. Thanks.

Q (15:02)

Back in my day, like, you know who had an absolute barrel chest? Like, I didn't want. It was Sangha. Oh, yeah. Don't want that. And Shelton's pretty big. So what we don't know is, like, there. We don't know who can actually fight.

Andy (15:17)

Yeah, yeah, we, like, what are the parameters? Right? Like, just a jacked. It's somebody jacked. Like, you don't know, somebody seven feet tall, like, maybe.

Q (15:26)

Why is it hatching off? That's a good choice. I mean, I'm looking at. I'm looking at these. I'm looking at the names. Like, I'm not. Look. Oh, you know who's got, like, a stocky body you can get you from low. Who's kind of a psycho? Davidovich Fokina. He's not. And he's got. Yeah, but he's like, he's got calves like bowling balls. He's got a steady. He's got a sturdy base.

Andy (15:47)

I like that one.

Q (15:47)

And he's a psycho.

Andy (15:48)

I like that one.

Q (15:49)

That's my sneaky. Like, that's my sneaky one. I don't hate the hatching off pick, though, at all. Can Jerome get those quads going for him? I don't know. I would. I'm. I'm just going to say this. I'd fight a lot of the guys in the top hundred. Like, I'm looking. I'm looking at a lot of these names and, like, I don't know. I don't know if maybe I get knocked out, but, like, I think I can at least inflict damage on. On some of these yeah.

Andy (16:23)

Are we, Are we talking like MMA or like boxing? We're probably talking like, like, not a street fight. Right. There has to be some rules.

Q (16:30)

Oh, well, then there has to be

Andy (16:31)

some kind of structure, right?

Q (16:32)

Oh, then I feel way less confident.

Andy (16:33)

Oh, really?

Q (16:34)

Oh, yeah. I want to tumble.

Andy (16:36)

You want to. You want it to be a street fight?

Q (16:37)

Yeah, yeah. I'll hit you in the nuts. Like, I, I want, I want no holds, but I want just. We're both in a room, there's nothing to use. You can't throw. You can't like, grab things. Like. Yeah, I just want a clean room fight and we just.

Andy (16:51)

A clean room fight.

Q (16:53)

We dance with who we brought, you know, that's it.

Andy (16:56)

We started panic rooms and now we're going to start fight clubs.

Q (16:58)

Yeah, I would. I mean, fees is built pretty.

Andy (17:04)

He's stands. Stan's still in the top 100.

Q (17:07)

Stan's got, Stan's got.

Andy (17:09)

He could take it.

Q (17:10)

He's got a barrel. I wouldn't want to fight him. No, he's got. He's kind of mean too, sometimes. Like. Yeah, I wouldn't want to see that. I wouldn't want to fight him.

Andy (17:16)

I mean, the dude's cracking beers with Tyler after he finishes it.

Q (17:19)

He's, he's, he's. It seems like he's more relaxed now that he knows he's going to retire is the way that I'll put it. But, yeah, there's, there's. Yeah, but I'd fight. I. I'd jump in.

Andy (17:34)

Okay.

Q (17:35)

Yeah.

Ella (17:35)

All right.

Q (17:35)

I'd get in there.

Andy (17:36)

All right. Thank you, Matt. That was a really constructive conversation. We'll keep that going.

Q (17:39)

That was a great one.

Andy (17:40)

That was it. That's all we got.

Q (17:41)

Great. Thank you for watching Q and Andy. Add to your comments. Who could you beat in a fight?