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Kim
Hi everyone. Welcome back to a new episode of Love All. I feel like a kid that's going on a school trip this week because my physio asked me or gave me the all clear to go back on the tennis court to have a hit. So I'm kind of really excited. I booked the court for tomorrow, 12 o' clock and just slowly going to work my way into it. I booked the 45 minute hitting session with, with, with Wade who I hit with here in Belmar at the Atlantic Club. So super excited, but a little nervous too.
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Blair
I know this is huge news.
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Ella
So okay, when you say you've been cleared to play, are we just, you know, just rallying from the baseline type stuff?
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Kim
Yes. I can't do any jumps yet or anything, but I've been in PT starting to do a lot more like on one leg and you know, my calf raises and all that stuff. So again, I can't do any jumps, no splits or anything like that. Just, you know, in position, you know, probably. And I love doing not, not that much. But as I got older I really loved doing drills like just, you know, with a big bucket of balls and just go and have the coach like feed me different shots. So I think that's what I'm going to start with. Just start on the mini court and then gradually work my way back. And yeah, so I'm super excited. I get to make my, my tennis bag tonight and take it, take it to, to the club tomorrow.
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Blair
I am so excited for you. I know, I know we're not doing
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Ella
a TikTok at the tennis courts, but can I request some video proof of you playing tennis?
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Kim
I will, no problem.
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Blair
Okay. That is my win for the day. I'm peaking peeking early on this Tuesday
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Ella
morning as we record and I, as
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Blair
you can see, am not at home. I am in Miami where it has been wet, wet, wet.
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Ella
So so far we have some final round quality matches today, again recording on a Tuesday. So wrapping up quality's matches today as well as some first round WTA action, the draws came out. I am so excited to be here. I grew up in South Florida, so this is a little taste of home for me. I do not miss the humidity one bit at all. I am so shellacked up here.
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Blair
My hair, there it is. It is like you could knock on it.
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Ella
There's so much airspray in there.
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Blair
But the tennis is going to be so fun.
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Ella
We're actually my first match of the
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Blair
day today, Kim, is a match that
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Ella
we both have some personal investment in. Katie Volets taking on Bianca Andreescu in the final round of qualies. And you were thinking you might actually be here and it has something to
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Blair
do with that matchup.
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Kim
Right. So Katie Volets, by the way, who has, I think the best last name in tennis, no joke, is. Yeah, so her, she, she joined the pine agency that I am a part of as well. And so I've been talking to her quite often and I was planning on going down to Miami to kind of watch her practice in person and get a feel for kind of her tennis brain and kind of pick up some little things here and there in real life. But unfortunately she got injured. She hurt her hip during the Austin tournament, during the Indian Wells, I guess the second week of Indian Wells. Right. That's when that tournament is held. And then, you know, it was bad weather and all that stuff, so we ended up, you know, maybe postponing me being at, you know, one of her practice weeks to a time where she's able to just really play freely and go all out. So unfortunately, no Miami for me this year. But yeah, exciting match against Bianca Andreescu, who I've also been, you know, been a fan of and enjoy her tennis and her personality. And so, yeah, it will be very interesting. Great second, second round of the qualies there. Yeah.
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Ella
And speaking of that Austin tournament, Bianca reached the final there and has. Has actually had some success again working her way back from yet another injury. Poor Bianca has had the worst luck. I was actually in Montreal last summer where she was looking so good. She was, she was just a couple points away from the end of her match, I believe, and just rolled her ankle and working her way back from that. So always great to see players maybe drop down a level, get some wins, get a little routine, get the rhythm and who knows what can happen from there, right?
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Kim
And she, you know, she beat some good players in Texas and I think she beat Badoza and then to eventually lose in the final. But I think it's good for her to, you know, get, get a few matches under her belt and, and now, you know, winning the first round in Miami too, is, is great. So interesting matchup against, against Katie Volinet. So, yeah, it's, it's a big moment for both players. Right, because you want to get into the main draw of these big events and so, yeah, exciting to, to watch my, my life score these next few hours.
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Blair
I love it. No, no yard work this morning.
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Kim
No yard work. Listen, it's been raining and everything is too soggy. It's. No, I'm going to stay inside, clean the house.
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Blair
Okay, good stuff. Well, let's move on to Henley's headlines.
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Ella
We're going to have some headlines for you today. And then we're also going to go into confirmation. I have some burning questions for Kim that I cannot wait to ask. And then we've got our segment.
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Blair
I've only heard a little bit of Kim's recommendation for the week. I cannot wait to hear the rest. She's wet my appetite for whatever she has to recommend for us today. So let's start off with our first headline.
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Ella
And it is just rewinding back a few days to the conclusion of Indian Wells, where of course, Arena Sabalenka and Yannick Sinner were the singles champions. And on the women's side, gosh, that women's final 366376 win over newly minted world number two, Elena Bakna. Arena Savalenka. She got a dog, she got a ring. She got her first Indian Wells win. I don't know that weeks get much better.
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Kim
No, I don't think so either. I think on both sides, I mean, on the tennis side, you know, she's one slam. So I think you can maybe, you know, put that over the Indian Wells wins. But I think in general, the off court stuff, the on court is really exciting to see. And you can tell, like you can see her energy, you know, there is, she is how she, you know, what she, how she shows Us. Right. Like, she is. How she is in the press conferences. And it's really exciting to see a team like hers all work together and, you know, be a part of it and. Because that's what it is. Like, you're, you know, it's not just. You're not just married to the tennis life. Right. But you're also married to your whole team because those are the people you see every day from the moment that you wake up and you have breakfast together to when you go to dinner or you prepare your matches the night before. You spend a lot of time with them, and it's really nice to see their team clicking and. Yeah, just super exciting for her to have, you know, that trophy and all the other. All the great. The puppy has been fun to watch. I saw. I know, Chris Eubanks on the tennis
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Guest/Co-host
channel in the studio getting his face licked all over by Ash the puppy.
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Kim
Just really fun, like. And it's. It's. That's. That's what it takes at times, because tennis alone can be so. I'm not saying boring, but it's a lot of the same thing over and over again and the same people and media, and it's just different locations, and after a while, it gets. It can get boring. And so for her to bring the poppy on and it just creates some new energy as well in her camp.
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Ella
Yeah. And amazing to see the confirmation for her of the way that she has decided to schedule her season. She took the month of February off, had a tough loss in the final in Australia, took a month off, came back and. And has worked it out with her team to sort of ramp up to these big events, which we've seen. You know, I think Novak Djokovic probably does that better than anyone, but how. How nice for her to have confirmation that, okay, I really can be selective about the events I want to play.
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Kim
Right. It's so important. And I think it just shows also the mindset that she has, but that her team has and the fact that they were able to add Max Mirny to the team and that that whole chemistry is working. It's. There's not a lot of coaches who work with a player, especially with a top player, who have the mindset, like, to be open to adding an extra voice. And it takes, you know, it takes. Yeah, it takes a whole team to kind of work. And we see it a lot on the men's side where, you know, Darren Cahill joins Sinner's team. We've seen it on Roger's teams where he brings Former players on and. But on the women's side, you don't see it that often that a player will have two coaches, at least not at the same event. They might switch and have a couple of coaches working with them, but to bring them together, you don't see that often. So a lot of credit to Irina, but also to her team for having that mindset. And she was very open in her press conference after her finals, she explained the frustration and what she wanted to work on after she lost to Rybakina in the finals of the Australian Open. Just the fact that she was able to show and use those. The things that she was really frustrated with in that final of the Australian Open and to make a difference and to use that in the match today. And it's amazing how in tennis you always hope for that next opportunity to get it right. And I'm sure this came a little bit faster maybe than she even anticipated. But the fact that she's been able in about four or five weeks time, where she had, you know, the time to work and take the month of February off, to really focus on staying close on top of the baseline, adding a little bit more variety, I think that's where Max Mirny has really stepped in and has made her feel more comfortable in believing that she can hit the slice and come in and be a great volley player. She has a great history of being a good doubles player as well. So why not use that against these type of players and kind of trick them and make them feel off balance a little bit and so really, really impressive. And we say it over and over again. You know, the best players keep improving and they want to keep working on their weaknesses. And she's one of those players that just is not just a hard hitter like a lot of people just think that she is right. She can slice, she can defend well, she can put variety in the serve. She has the net game now as well, so she's going to become tougher and tougher to beat.
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Ella
We are going to do a deeper dive on the tactics in Kim Formation, so more where that came from. We heard some really interesting quotes in press as well that shed some light on some of the strategy in that match. And there's also the mental side, which I think is massive. So we're going to talk more about that when we get to that segment. But also a huge congratulations to Taylor Townsend, who is a Devil's champ for the second straight tournament, winning with Katarina Sin Cova, their fourth title together. I believe two of those have Been slams and then I think a couple of other 1000s now. So not a bad track record for those two.
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Blair
But it was funny.
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Ella
I ran into Taylor's agent in the
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Blair
hallway yesterday and she, she sort of
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Ella
was like, gosh, rinse and repeat.
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Blair
Like, we just had this amazing moment. We're now in the hallways of the Miami Open and she was saying, I
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Ella
guess Kat and Taylor had a sweet visit after their final.
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Blair
And she said, can someone get us just like a bottle of champagne, like something to celebrate? They had to get on a flight that night.
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Ella
But that is, that is the reality
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Blair
for so many of these players.
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Kim
It is. Especially when you do well, right, you don't have a lot of time to prepare yourself for the next event and you try to get there as soon as possible. Adjust to the. Especially with this trip, Indian Wells, Miami. You have to adjust to the time change, although it's just, I think three hours. And then you have to adjust to the climate change. So you try to get away from, in this case, Indian Wells as quickly as possible so you can adjust to all those circumstances. And Irina talked about it. She was going to have a couple more martinis on, on the plane and then, you know, maybe have some food.
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Guest/Co-host
I don't know what she mentioned.
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Kim
Burger or something. Five guys. That's.
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Blair
I thought it was interesting by the way, she mentioned five guys in In n Out country. Like, all you see are players posting pictures from In N Out when they go to Indian Wells. Apparently she's a five guys loyalist. Who knew?
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Kim
Yeah, I saw Not a tennis topic,
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Guest/Co-host
but I saw Michael B. Jordan. I think he was in, in and out, literally with his, with his, with his Oscar.
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Kim
With his Oscar.
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Guest/Co-host
Like eating and signing autographs and like that. So, yeah, definitely very popular on that
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Kim
side of, of the country.
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Blair
I love it.
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Ella
And listen, I don't think there's any time of the year where we hear more about conditions.
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Blair
It reminds me of. It was a couple years ago at the Australian Open. We had this fun show called Blue Zone. And I had a segment and just
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Ella
for my own amusement, I called it Shampoo and Conditions.
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Blair
Because that's all in Australia where, especially in Melbourne, where things can change from day to day. I feel like that that is such
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Ella
a hot topic during the Sunshine Swing because not only do you have different court speeds, but you have different climates this year, different balls. So how was that for you, Kim, in terms of making that adjustment?
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Kim
That making that adjustment was really hard. And I just remember physically struggling more than anything. To me, it was like almost the Hardest transition, although you play on the same kind of surface, but it was the hardest transition to make. Again, the three hour time change and then the humidity, like coming from the really dry weather in Indian Wells to then being in the, like the, in the humid kind of climate, I found really hard. And I remember every year when I would go back, like I could not start my first practice, my first practice of the tournament going full speed because my lungs, my throat, like I just couldn't. Yeah, I just couldn't go as normal. And so I had to give myself, you know, a little bit of time to, to prepare. And again, I don't think people, you know, maybe think about that as much. You know, we play on hardcore and you think, okay, it stays the same for everything. But it's all those little things make a huge difference and make you feel different. And even for the longest time, like Miami, I felt like it didn't suit me because I just didn't feel that good. But then I was able to have a good result eventually and kind of adjust myself all the time. But that's the thing, that's the reason why, you know, Sabalenka is on a flight the same day as she finished playing her final and just to kind of get adjusted as quickly as possible.
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Blair
The next topic is one that, that amuses me personally because Corentonmouthe, he is
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Ella
one of the most colorful players.
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Blair
Colorful is. That's the way that I like to describe it because you never know what colorful could mean on a given day.
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Kim
I feel like his tennis is like that too, right?
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Ella
100%.
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Kim
So like fun to watch. And he's so talented and has so
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Guest/Co-host
many surprises, I feel like up his sleeve but also with his body language, like a lot of things can happen.
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Blair
That's. That is correct.
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Ella
So.
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Blair
So the Frenchman was playing in the
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Ella
Phoenix Challenger we mentioned the. The Austin, I believe it's a 125 event that they now have in between Indian Wells and Miami, which is so great for the players who might lose early in Indian Wells want to get some extra matches, but they have had. It was inspired by this Phoenix challenger which has a higher cutoff than or lower the rankings are higher in terms of the cutoff for that than many 250s on the calendar because there are so many players who are like, why wouldn't I go and get a few extra matches?
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Blair
So Corantomote in the semifinals of the Phoenix Challenger loses to Marco Skieron and in one continuous motion finishes his swing, misses the shot and chucks the racket. Out of the stadium. Thank goodness it was a challenger sized stadium. So no, nobody was injured in the making of this tennis meme.
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Ella
But I was watching that and then also seeing Irina Savalenka down a set and a break in her final to Elena Rubak and smashing a racket. And I think she might have won maybe four straight games after that.
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Blair
So here's my question. Kim, in the racket chucking slash racket
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Ella
demolishing headline, what is the personality type that that helps? Because there are some people who would do that and it would be a huge negative. They would derail them. They wouldn't be able to mentally recover.
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Blair
And then there are some people who can do that.
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Ella
And it's actually a positive. And it's hard for me to understand because that's not how I'm wired.
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Kim
No, I think for me, and I think I can only comment about myself and I think in Sabalenka's case, it's a little bit similar, maybe we've seen Serena do that as well, is it's a buildup, right? The frustration builds up to a point where it kind of. Yeah, it boils over. And then, you know, the racket sometimes I think in Sabalenka's case, she can yell. She has that roar. Serena used to have that as well. It can work positively, but also to get some of that frustration out. And I think I was never good when I had that frustration inside of me because I felt like I had to behave the right way on the tennis court. I didn't want to show negative emotions. But at times that negative, those negative thoughts, they don't go away as quickly as you would like them to. So sometimes, you know, throwing the racket, cursing, whatever it is. Like, we see players like yell at their box and at their team and that's. These are all kind of, I feel like, like ways to release stress and emotions. But it is true, I think back in the day, I think John McEnroe was kind of the first guy, right, who was able to play better showing negative emotions and getting angry and frustrated. So, yeah, everybody has to find their way. I don't see like a Rybakina doing that. Right. Like, she's a little bit more, you know, in control and maybe has internal ways to get rid of the emotions, the negative thoughts, and everybody's different like that. So. Yeah. But a great effort from Sabalenka to see that she was, you know, that she was able to turn that around or maybe, you know, get into the head of. Of Rubakin a little bit. And great from mute for knowing the
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Guest/Co-host
layout of the stadium and not hitting anybody.
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Blair
I think you're giving him a lot of credit here.
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Guest/Co-host
Listen, he may have thought it was like a boomerang, that it would come back to him or something. Oh my gosh.
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Kim
Yeah.
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Guest/Co-host
I mean, listen, you have to know where to like throw it, right? Like in a split like second fraction
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Blair
of, in theory, you should know where you're, where you're throwing. You know, all of a sudden it's assault with a deadly weapon if that racket makes contact with someone. But listen, always, obviously, you know, when we saw Coco break her racket at the Australian Open, there's sort of the
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Ella
question like she knows she's a role model for kids who are watching.
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Blair
And so yes, that is a factor. But, but as a grown adult, there is absolutely part of me that loves a little release, you know, of course.
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Kim
Listen, I've, I, when I had my academy in Belgium, we would talk to the kids and we would hear them talk about like, oh, my favorite player, you know who their favorite player was. It wasn't the well behaved people. It was Nick Kyrgios who smacks a racket, who talks like trash. Like it's kids like that too because they know from a young age how hard it is to keep your, your feelings under control. And so at times, you know, it can't run out of hand and you have to stay within the line like the rules of the game. But at times it is okay to release your, your feelings as long as you're able to, you know, turn it into something positive and you don't want to kind of tank your match and you know, because you can't, can't get back to, you know, a neutral or like a positive mindset.
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Ella
Ons Jaber has a YouTube channel. Ons jaber yt. If you go to YouTube while you're there liking and following us or following and liking our stuff, you can also
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Blair
follow ons Jaber on YouTube. Now she has a new series and
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Ella
her first episode was an interview with her close friend Paola Badosa. I haven't had a chance to watch yet, but it is, it is in my queue. I can't wait. And, and it's sort of the latest in this trend that we've seen from tennis players who are creating their own content, who are taking control of what fans see of these international superstars. Ben Shelton has done it, Arthur Feast, Casper Rude, Naomi Osaka, Aryna Sabalenka. There are many players who are just creating their own thing. It's bad news for journalists because you
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Blair
have these players being like, why would I go into an uncontrolled environment and do a sit down interview when I can just, you know, put out exactly
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Ella
what I want to put out on my YouTube channel. But it's great for fans to get a peek under the hood to see what's going on within the team, to see those relationships. And it made me wonder, Kim, during your heyday, who do you think would have made the best YouTubers?
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Kim
Ooh, well, definitely not me, I would say. I think Andy would have been really good. I don't know if he would have liked doing it.
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Guest/Co-host
I don't think, you know, he still
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Kim
is not on social media or anything now. But I think it would have been fun. And I mean I think like Andre Agassi, Steffi, like the kind of that energy together would have been fun to see. But let me ask you this, like, do you think that when like an ons jaber, when she creates these kind of like YouTube, you know, what do you call them, episodes. Don't you think that that can also benefit some of the journalists where they can pick up on more information that a lot of times in the tennis world we do miss from the players? We see a lot of the, you know, the same kind of information that comes out the level of tennis, what Are you working on like what's new in your team? And, and that's kind of where it stays. And then now you have that personal information. Like I love seeing like, you know, since that we had her on the podcast at the start of January, like how much her belly has grown now and it's like, it's really cute. Like it's. So there's a lot of information I do think that you can get out of that and I think that journalist can kind of pick up on.
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Ella
That's a fair point. That's a fair point to push back on. I think the tough piece is what information are you after?
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Blair
And so yes.
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Ella
Is there something there that could be helpful? Sure. Especially for somebody who does what I do. Like for an on court interview, if I see an interaction or if I see that a player has a really silly relationship with their physio or something like that, or they're always competing or they have like a running total of who wins Uno, like that kind of stuff is very valuable for me as, as a post match interviewer because I sometimes have the ability to kind of get into the fun stuff.
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Blair
If you want details on, on anything
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Ella
sort of below the surface, I think that that might be tougher to get.
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Blair
And I think that in tennis it's
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Ella
been so hard and this is probably a story for another day, but really since COVID it has been so many tennis outlets or so many news outlets have cut their spending for tennis and so it's hard for journalists to travel even if you are on site. A lot of those press conferences now go online right away. So a reporter could be asking a question to build a story and somebody is pulling that quote from this reporter's story that they're on site there to get. And you know, it's on, it's on
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Blair
X and on Instagram within five minutes
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Ella
of the press conference. So I think there are so many challenges facing journalists in terms of actually getting information that's maybe tougher to get, maybe asking the hard questions. When it comes to tactical stuff. I don't know how many players are really going into that on their YouTube, but who knows? To your point, I think it depends on the player and what they want to share.
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Blair
But yeah, shout out to the journalists doing the hard yards because it is.
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Ella
It's a tough environment today in particular just with budgets and how expensive it is.
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Blair
Yeah.
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Kim
As tennis players, a lot of times the media is sometimes seen as another rival. Not all the time, but during different stages in your career. I do think it can be that way, but we can never forget. And Billie Jean King was very important, I think, for me and my upbringing to, you know, at the US Open, I remember when I was playing juniors there and how she made it very clear that the time that we give back is like the journalists, the media is what helps grow our sport as well. And they help grow your own individual brand, but also help our sport in general. And that's why I think it's important to, you know, give back and to give the time to the sport. And so, yeah, it's important. Definitely the hope that that doesn't like how AI is going to take over a lot of jobs in the world.
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Guest/Co-host
Hope that that's not going to happen
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Kim
to the media in tennis.
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Blair
Let's hope.
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Ella
I think, yeah, having different aspects of coverage are important, but we love players creating their own content as well. I think there's room for all of it.
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Blair
And wrapping things up here, Kim, with some very important news. The Miami Open has a new signature drink called the Love All Frose. It comes in a plastic tennis ball cup.
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Ella
And I am just wanting to know when the lawyers are getting on the,
- [28:10]
Blair
the copyright infringement lawsuit for the Miami Open. Having a Love All Frose.
- [28:17]
Ella
How dare they?
- [28:19]
Blair
But it's the coolest little thing.
- [28:21]
Ella
Well, it's like frozen.
- [28:24]
Blair
Have you ever had a froze?
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Kim
No, I have not.
- [28:27]
Blair
I haven't either, but, but I'm told that it's a. I think it might
- [28:31]
Ella
be a little bit sweeter than it,
- [28:32]
Blair
than like just frozen, but it's, it's this, I keep doing this.
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Ella
It's, it's this cute little ball.
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Kim
Well, it will taste probably very good in the heat, in the Miami heat,
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Guest/Co-host
but can also be dangerous if that's
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Kim
all you're drinking all day.
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Blair
No kidding. I feel like I might get some of those, some froze drinkers on my court today because not only again, we're
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Ella
recording, recording on Tuesday. Not only do I have Bianca Andreescu
- [28:58]
Blair
and Katie volley nets, but the second
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Ella
to last match of our night session. So first batch of the night session
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Blair
is Zaynep Sanmez, friend of the pod, facing off against Beatriz Hadaj Maya. So you're gonna have the Turkish fans and the Brazilian fans going at it
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Ella
out on Grandstand, which by the way, if you're coming to the Miami Open, I'm not partial at all, but Grandstand is so much fun.
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Blair
I know it's a walk, but it's the party court. Come out and hang with me.
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Kim
So amazing. Are these matchups actually like qualifying? It's so good.
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Ella
Well, that. That is a first rounder. So. So there is some qualifying and there are some. But. But for a first rounder.
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Kim
Is that why that happens?
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Ella
Exactly.
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Blair
So we had.
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Ella
There was a full washout a couple of days ago, but yeah. Grab your froze, come on out to Grandstand, and we'll just petition the tournament next year to host a live pod
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Blair
with us, us drinking Love All Frozes at the Miami Open.
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Guest/Co-host
I don't drink alcohol there. I don't know if I ever told you that.
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Kim
I actually did not know that. No.
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Guest/Co-host
So we might have to do an alcoholic free.
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Blair
We can do that.
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Kim
All right.
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Ella
Okay.
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Blair
No.
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Guest/Co-host
Which is basically like.
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Kim
What do you call those drinks here? Like a daiquiri?
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Blair
No, what the kids drink.
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Guest/Co-host
Like a. I don't know. No, not even like the. Like that you find in the amusement parks.
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Kim
Like the frozen drink.
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Blair
Okay. Oh, like a slushie. Yes. Okay. Kim gets a slushie. I will do just one Love All Froze and we will have fun with the fans. I'm just pitching it now, just, you know, signing.
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Kim
See you. Drinking a Froze A. Not. We don't want to wait till next year, but maybe if you have some time, I'll let you know. Or just a picture would be good.
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Blair
I'll do a. I'll do a full review. All right, Kim. Moving on to my favorite segment, it's time for confirmation. I feel like we need, like a jingle.
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Ella
I'll leave that to me. I'll.
- [30:51]
Blair
I'll think about that.
- [30:52]
Ella
But to start off Kim Formation, I just wanted to ask you if we can dive deeper into the Sabalenka Rbakana Indian Wells final. I want to get into more of the X's and O's and. And as we sort of teased earlier, the players talked a little bit about that in their press conference, which you
- [31:13]
Blair
have something to say about that as well.
- [31:14]
Ella
But I want you take this wherever you want to go. What stuck out to you in broad
- [31:18]
Kim
lines, it was a very high intensity, high level match, you know, of two players who play in a way very similar. But I think what we've learned over the last few days, but also since, you know, they've. They've played each other more often, but since the Australian Open final where Rybakina ended up beating Sabalanka, players look for solutions. And I was in a sense, a little bit surprised that Sabalenka and Rybakina, how open they were about some of the adjustments that they made, the game plan that they had, things that weren't going well for them. So I'll go through that a little bit. To me, I think Sabalenka and I mentioned it before with adding Max Mirny to her team where she can bring that added variety. You know, we saw her changing up the second serve a little bit as well, where she was instead of hitting a deeper, hard, kind of flatter second serve, which is what she did quite often in the past, she's now using a little bit more of a kick serve at times. And it's not that it's a better serve, but I think it's the variety that you can add to your opponent, which is what makes them kind of feel like, oh, what do I do? Do I take a step back? Do I take it early on the ride, you know, and you surprise your opponent with that. So. Which then takes away from Rybakina's racket side of the court that you. That she can't just go and swing freely and start dominating the rally, which is what in their mindset is what they're both trying to do first. And the level of at times, you know, when I was coming up, it was like men's tennis was like, oh, serve. And that's it. Right. Like, and I feel like women's tennis is getting a little bit closer to that where especially when you watch a match like yesterday or like two days ago with Sabalenka Rybakina, the serve becomes so important and they get so many more free points that, you know, even I did back in the day, right. And Serena did at times, Lindsay did, because they were the big service. But I think these women now, they get so many free points and if it's not, you know, an ace or a non returnable, it's the next shot that is super important. And we saw that Rybakina did that really, really well in that first set. Her serve and the next shot were so accurate. So on point. And then she talked about. Rybakina talked about after her match in the press conference how in that second set she just couldn't deal with the heat, which was very interesting to see because she mentioned how it was great for her throughout the whole tournament to not play in the heat as much because it saves your energy and. But she kind of wishes that she had more time under the sun and in that heat early on in the tournament because she said she felt like it was making her a little bit flat on her feet and not have enough energy in that second set. And that's always something that mentally as well Right. You can lose that second set. And it's a lot harder in this situation, Rebakina, to leave, you know, to go and start that third set knowing that you have just been. You just lost that second set pretty easily. And it takes a lot of work to. And mentally, a lot of kind of refocus and to get back into the match and playing better tennis again. And on the other side, on Sabalenka's side, she has that momentum going. She has the energy going, and you want to keep that up. So, you know, that third set was incredible. It was exciting. It was high level. You know, I grew up with a coach, Carl, his name is Karl Maass, who taught me that there is, you know, you have differences in mistakes, you have good mistakes and you have bad mistakes. Right? And for. I feel like there was a lot of good mistakes. If you make a mistake, you have the forced errors and the unforced errors. But I, you know, there were unforced errors, but they were good mistakes in my hand because they were going for it. They weren't hesitant. And then the match point to Rybakina, where Sabalenka hit that backhand cross court, and it just shows the mindset, the confidence that you need to have in yourself to go for that shot. Knowing that, you know, your match point down and just for her to be able to step up and use that backhand cross court was incredible.
- [35:44]
Ella
But again, I screamed, by the way.
- [35:47]
Kim
It was incredible.
- [35:48]
Ella
Me, too.
- [35:48]
Kim
I was like, holy shit, it was incredible. And that does something to your opponent mentally as well, right? Like, it just shows that it's going to take a lot more than just you hitting great shots to break your opponent. Like, the mental side of it all plays such a big part in our sport, and it's in these moments where you can kind of show that, okay, why is the mental side of the game so important? And then the tie break, what was she, five, three down? I think in the tiebreak as well. And just to be able to. To stay calm and stay focused and just keep things simple. Like, she just kept it simple, did her thing and just really stayed locked in. And don't think about being down, don't think about going to Miami or whatever it is, but it's just really staying in the moment. And, yeah, super impressive to see how she's been able to stick to the game plan, improve the things that didn't work well for her during the Australian Open final. And, yeah, congrats to her team. And again, I've been a Big fan of Max Mirny. He was, I think, my favorite male tennis player because I loved Max too. He was so, like there were so many times where, yeah, but like so many times where later at night at the tennis, like in the gym that he was be doing, he would be doing stretching and, and I would just pick his brain. Like, he was so professional always and so kind. And his dad was great and that him and I would be in the gym and we'd be doing stretches and we would talk about like, how important it is to be flexible and how, you know, just to, to mentally as well, like leave the court kind of relaxed and calm and not be super stressed from all the hype and the energy that's out there. So I feel like he's been, yeah, he's been one of my favorites. And so the fact that he's able to help her and her whole team is maybe a little bit. I don't know, maybe we don't talk about enough, I think.
- [37:43]
Ella
Yeah. And also great to see him healthy because he had a brain tumor just a few years ago. And so to have him back on tour doing well is, is great on, on that front. But Kim, I have a couple up questions for you here. Number one, in her press conference after the match, Arena Savalenka talked about her return strategy. And this is notable for a couple of reasons. I'm going to let you explain what the strategy was, but it's notable also
- [38:11]
Blair
because she told us what the strategy was.
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Ella
And I will tell you as someone who asks a lot of questions about strategy, the number of times a player
- [38:19]
Blair
says to me, I can't tell you that, or that's between me and my team or, or, or they give you the most general blanket statement ever. You're like, thanks a lot. I, I learned nothing from what you just said. So, so go ahead and tell us
- [38:33]
Ella
what the strategy was. And then also how unusual it is for a player to disclose something like that.
- [38:37]
Kim
Let me start with that. I do think it's very unusual, unusual for players to, to give a lot of their kind of tactics away. Maybe she felt a little bit, you know, like she had a little bit less of pressure or stress because the match was finished, you won the tournament. And then, you know, players, a lot of times you're in a, you're in a better mood no matter what, and you're able to kind of disclose some of those personal kind of tactics a little bit easier. But she did mention, and this is something that she worked on in the off season or I Shouldn't say the off season. The off season that she created for herself, right, by taking the month of February off is the fact that she was trying to, she has really wide stance, but the fact that she was trying to cut into the serve a little bit. And in the second set against Rabakina here in the Indian West Indian Wells final, you could see that she was really starting to read the serve better. There were times where she was already moving towards the backhand side because she felt you could see that she was reading the toss or whatever it was for her. And those would be really interesting questions to ask. That I would want to ask her is like, okay, at what point where did you realize, okay, this is where I'm starting to see a little bit of a shift in the ball toss or whatever. But yeah, it's the fact that you stay on top of the baseline, you try to take that split step forward, cut the corners. She also, I think you mentioned that, mentioned that she tried to say like here, leave the tea open. Right? That's what she had mentioned. And so it's all these little things like, okay, I'm sure Sabalenka likes to hit the back end return, but at the same time you're playing mind gate games to your opponent and you're saying, okay, here, go play, play to my backhand, go for that serve. And it's, it's all part of like the mental side of, of our sport is where you make your opponent think a little bit as Rybakina is bouncing the ball and she looks over and she sees that that serve is, is open. You kind of wondering like, like, oh, is she going to move? Is she not going to move? Like those are all little thoughts that go through the opponent's head at that time. And it's, yeah, very interesting that she shared that information. And I used to, at times, especially before big matches or opponents who I kind of think knew and knew a lot about tennis wise and tactic wise. I would ask the press conference, the transcript, sometimes we would get them anyway. It was the four semi finalists, here are their press conference. And we would get all four of them and we would, would, I would read about it, I would read about my opponent and sometimes they, it would, it was about like, oh, my forehand return is not really going like little things like that and it's not that it's like, you know, a big secret that you find, but you are able to kind of get into the head of your opponent a little bit and kind of understand a little bit more about them.
- [41:37]
Blair
I am obsessed with this information.
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Ella
I. I guess I assumed that somebody might be doing that, but I have never heard from a player that they are. Are actively going and finding the transcripts. Obviously now it's.
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Kim
Maybe I'm the weirdo. I don't know.
- [41:53]
Blair
I'm like, this is a plus for student Kim. I think that, that, that makes so much sense is to go like, why not?
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Ella
There could be information.
- [42:02]
Kim
Right. But also every tournament is different. After every match you feel different. Right. So there's. You get a lot of new information and it's not okay because I know this is how Venus serves on. On breakpoints down like that, you know, like, you can like, get some information here and there after matches and whether it is about, oh, I'm a little bit tired or I'm feeling a little bit. Whatever it could be. Yeah, there's always stuff that you can kind of pick up on, I think.
- [42:29]
Blair
Well, I just want to know if Elena Rubakna is going to be out
- [42:31]
Ella
on court here in Miami working on
- [42:33]
Blair
her T serves because that is literally what Arena Arena Savalena was like.
- [42:38]
Ella
I just sat on the wide one
- [42:39]
Blair
and dare dirt to hit it up the tee. So, yeah, we'll see if any adjustments are made there. But I love little studious Kim getting the transcripts.
- [42:48]
Ella
We need to fire up the group
- [42:50]
Blair
chat and see if Andy also did that.
- [42:51]
Ella
I would be so curious.
- [42:53]
Blair
We need to ask.
- [42:54]
Ella
Okay, that's great stuff. I also want to ask you about the mental side of this because there were obviously the basic stakes. You know, Arena Savalenka was trying to get her first title in Indian Wells. This has turned into a rivalry. Rebakkina Savalenka. But this could have created some serious, serious scar tissue if Savalenka had lost this match because she lost in Riyadh at the end of last year. Lost, you know, being up a break in the final set in the Australian Open final. If she had three of those losses to her bacon in a row, do you not think that that could have, like, been a real problem for her mentally moving forward?
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Kim
I don't know. I don't think she is. I don't think her personality is like that. I think she is a go getter. And I don't think she sits back too much. I think with what she shared after the final is the fact that she addressed all the points that maybe she doesn't do it right away after the loss at the Australian Open, but maybe a few days later with her team. It's a joint Kind of moment that you all share. Okay, this is where I need to be better. Whether it's in the physio, in the fitness or on course tactics, technique, whatever it is like you, you come together and, and you try to really focus on those things and it just shows her mindset of always trying to get better. And I don't think, I don't think it, it would have damaged her mentally. I think she's also. I don't think so. I think maybe for a little bit. Right. And it would have been frustrated, but I think it, it feeds her more to try and get that next win because it's not like she, she's losing two and two. You know, she, yeah, I think she's, she has that mindset of okay, let me get this, like to take on the, the, the negative or the, you know, the, the, the, the losses and to try to be better next time.
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Ella
Well, here's the follow up to that though, because in addition to the rivalry with Rbakana, her record in finals is now, she's now 23 and 20. She was 22 and 20 going into the Indian Wells final, which, which for a player who is as good as Arena Sabalenka, that is maybe not the record in finals that you would expect to see.
- [45:05]
Blair
Do you think that could have been
- [45:06]
Ella
problematic for her or you just think she's able to say clean slate every week, no problem?
- [45:12]
Kim
Well, I think she's had to develop as a player and you know, it takes time to adjust to being the big star, you know, and it's not the off court stuff because she's putting it together. Right. It's, it's with the on court stuff, but it takes time to develop your, your self confidence in those moments where you're down like we, you know, break a breakdown in the second set, breaks a racket, you know. Does she feel frustrated? Yes. Is she able to turn it around really quickly? Yes as well. So I think she's learning more about herself in those moments to not get too negative with herself and to have it really a couple of points here and there's there. She's close with Novak. I'm pretty sure Novak and her talk about this a lot as well about the mental side of it, which is what he's been so good at and sharing his information. And so I'm sure that there's, you know. Yeah, you share information and it's easier to share that with a tennis player on the other side, on the male side, as somebody who's the greatest to play. So I think she's learning. There's no career without, like, no great career without setbacks, without frustration and where you learn more about yourself and how you mentally and physically deal with, with those, with those losses. So the fact that she's been able to do it in Indian Wells is great. Would she want to do it in a Grand Slam? Yes. And that's going to be the interesting thing for us to look at now is, okay, when she gets to the French Open, when she gets to Wimbledon, US Open, okay, when she plays Robakian and there's another Slam on the line, another trophy at that level, can she do it? And that's why these matches like the one here in Indian Wells are so important because they do build your confidence and they teach you something again to take with you. So yeah, I don't think she's one that sits and thinks too much about the past and the losses. I think she's more like, okay, let's attack this. Let's keep going.
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Blair
I have one more sort of Overall
- [48:58]
Ella
question from Indian Wells for you. We've talked a lot in our. Our nine episodes now about how you had a really good technical foundation. And in particular, European coaches maybe focus more on that than American coaches for. For young kids here.
- [49:14]
Blair
And then you see someone like Daniil Medvedev, who. We love to see him playing his best tennis again, a new coach in
- [49:21]
Ella
his corner in Tomas Johansson. Johan. Tomas. Yep. Okay.
- [49:27]
Blair
I don't know why I was doubting
- [49:29]
Ella
myself there, but yes. And to see him playing great tennis, reaching the final, obviously falling to Jannik Sinner at the finish line. But you see a player like that
- [49:38]
Blair
who has no technique to speak of his technique is sort of the lack of technique.
- [49:45]
Kim
Is it?
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Ella
How important.
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Blair
Is it.
- [49:48]
Ella
How important is technique in the grand scheme, having seen a variety of different styles in your career.
- [49:54]
Kim
Right. So with, with Daniil Medvedev, I do feel like. Like when you see his backhand, I do feel like technically it's a. It's a good shot. Right. There's not a lot of room for. For error if he. The different type of styles that he plays. He can play, you know, a lefty Rafa, who will hit a high forehand spin into his backhand. Like, he can easily adjust to that.
- [50:19]
Ella
It's.
- [50:20]
Kim
The forehand is a little bit. I do also think it's because he's taller and because he's. He's skinnier, that it looks a little bit like. It's like my husband is on skis because he's tall and he looks like.
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Guest/Co-host
He looks like. He's, like, goofy, like on skis.
- [50:33]
Ella
Well, that's how, like, people have called Daniil an octopus. A pretzel.
- [50:38]
Kim
Right. But it's, it's, it's, you know, I think just in general, like, the longer limbs and it looks a little bit different. That's fair, I think, because, yeah, again, he can adjust very easily to the different opponents and the different types of tennis that he has to face. So I don't think his technique. Do you. Do you teach the kids to play like him? I don't think so, but I do think it's. It's the longer. Yeah, the longer limbs make it look a little bit more awkward, I think, than a shorter. Like a mute or somebody.
- [51:13]
Ella
I think that my question is, if you're a coach and you have a player who has a particular quirk in a stroke, do you say they can play well even with said quirk, or do you try to revamp?
- [51:31]
Kim
Well, I think there's a lot of different scenarios in that case. Right. Depending on the level, like the level of the player, if it's somebody who's playing in the local club and you know what I mean? Like.
- [51:40]
Ella
Sure, sure.
- [51:41]
Kim
Is it then worth. Yeah, if, if, if they're the number one under 14 or under 16, junior, then I do think if they have a very extreme grip, it might be worth trying to bring the grip over a little bit. Because at some point, especially in women's tennis and where it's headed now is the high power game. It's just going to be a lot harder to do something with a grip like that. And so I do think there are certain scenarios where it is important to still change some things. To me, it's just amazing to see the differences in America and in the States or, you know, in, in Europe and in the States is how important a coach's, a coach's degree is. And, you know, from a very young age, you can't coach. I'm going to give Belgium as an example. In my academy, you can't coach unless you have a coaching degree, unless you're maybe a student who's played tennis. But there's all these different categories of, of coaching degrees. But the technical side of it is taught and is very, very important. I mean, in France, too, I feel like the French players have, you know, all. Most of them have amazing techniques, and it's just very, very important. And it's. I feel like the foundation to our sport. Right. Is to know especially it comes out later in life. A good technique is knowing the ability to adjust, to maybe take a swing, make it a little bit shorter, but to have the foundation be very strong and not always looking to adjust. I've worked with players and I've seen it like there's players who would like to change their technique or their material after every loss, but when you have a really good foundation, you don't doubt that anymore. And I think it's one less thing to, to worry about is, you know, is, is worrying about your technique or changing things. And that doesn't mean, like, there's little tweaks here or there. But, you know, in, in overall, the broader things are, you know, they need to be solved. I feel like by the time that, you know, the juniors are kind of making the transition to, to the pro level.
- [54:02]
Ella
All right, so we're gonna, we're gonna let Daniil Medvedev be entertaining us as a pretzel slash octopus.
- [54:10]
Kim
And if my, my favorite, my favorite celebration ever was the Dead Fish at the US Open, he's Just so funny to me. Like when he, even when he's arguing with the ref and like the things that he says I think are just really funny.
- [54:27]
Ella
Yes. And, and then sometimes he goes a little too far and he'll, and he'll say I went a little too far. He, he's very, he's very self aware.
- [54:36]
Blair
I will give Daniil Medvedev that because
- [54:38]
Ella
I will tell you, I've never seen
- [54:40]
Blair
anything like, like his match against Ben
- [54:42]
Ella
Bonsey at the U.S. open this past summer when he ends up losing. I will never forget this as long as I live. But I have to come out and do the post match interview.
- [54:53]
Blair
And it is raining booze in Armstrong
- [54:57]
Ella
Stadium, a place where he has been
- [54:59]
Blair
booed many times before.
- [55:01]
Ella
And they are telling me in my ear, they're like, he is, he's. We're going to wait for him to walk off for you to do the interview. And so I'm standing, I'm standing and he is just, just sitting back, just
- [55:11]
Blair
like letting the booze come down.
- [55:14]
Ella
And they tell me in my ear, they're like, okay, you gotta go, you
- [55:17]
Blair
got, you gotta go do the, you
- [55:18]
Ella
gotta go do the interview with the
- [55:20]
Blair
winner in this extremely contentious match with the loser sitting right there. Not ideal. Then he proceeds to get up and
- [55:30]
Ella
walk out in the middle of Bonzi's first answer. And when I tell you, Kim, I was two feet away from Bonzi, I could not hear what was, he was
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Blair
saying, that's how loud it was.
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Ella
So, just like a master of chaos, an instigator and so smart. Like one of the best interviews in tennis.
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Blair
So he, he definitely between Daniil and
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Ella
Corinton Moute, we're certainly not going to be bored.
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Blair
Okay.
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Ella
Sorry.
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Blair
That was a total assessment.
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Kim
He's, you know, has another final under his belt. Working with Thomas Johansson and getting back to, you know, where a lot of people see him as, you know, a contender for all these big tournaments.
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Blair
Yep. Love to see it. All right, we're gonna wrap things up, Kim, with a little rec room action as promised.
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Ella
So I am gonna start off. Oh, actually, you know what, you go first, I'll go last because I have my prop behind me.
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Kim
I have two actually, so I'm gonna show you my first one, which I think in my current state with rehabbing for my, my rehabbing my Achilles tendon. I. This is a supplement. It's a Aveni Health is what it's called. No sponsor, I bought this, but it's a, a joint. It's a, the, the. This Bottle is called Plus Motion, which is especially for healthy joints. Improves 10 tendon structure and function. So I've been taking this for a while to help my Achilles to recover. But I've also noticed a lot of in a lot of other parts of my body. The knees, shoulder in general. So I've been taking this now for a good five weeks and.
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Ella
And you notice a difference?
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Kim
I do.
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Ella
Wow.
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Kim
Y.
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Blair
You know what we should do, Kim? On a quick aside, we should make
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Ella
a gift basket of all of our favorite favorite things and gift it to a fan. We should do a contest.
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Blair
Contest. Okay.
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Kim
Right.
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Ella
I'm just thinking out loud. What's your second one?
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Kim
So that's it. And then the second one is maybe a little bit too much information, but my husband and I were going to do a. A detox. This one is cell cure, but it's a parasite detox. So it needs to be done with the full moon. So the next full moon is on April 1st and we're going to follow. There's four.
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Blair
It's called a parakeet kit.
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Ella
As in like parasite paraket.
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Kim
Yep. So we're doing that starting. There's four bottles there A is a binder. There is step one, pair of one, two and three and then drops. So sorry. So we're going to do that and he has no choice. He has to do it too. So I ordered two boxes and it's not that long. It's a five to seven day kind of cleanse. And I.
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Blair
If we don't have a full breakdown of your results next Wednesday, I'm going to be devastated.
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Kim
No, we're not starting yet. We have to wait till the full moon. So I think the first one is April 1st. So we'll start a couple days before and then, yeah, we'll go a few days after.
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Blair
I did not know the lunar cycles off the top of my head.
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Kim
It's important. Well, I downloaded an app for it.
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Guest/Co-host
So I found. Found that.
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Blair
Kim, I'm dying. Do we.
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Ella
Do we all have parasites?
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Kim
I think we do.
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Blair
We do we. Oh, gosh. One more thing for me to worry about.
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Ella
Sheesh.
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Kim
So listen, so on tour, I never, like I was always, you know, people that helped me over, like in Belgium. I never wanted to go with the traditional route. So a little bit, I think Novak. Not to that point where the recovery was already that far. I think advanced as it is now, but when it came to supplements, essential oils, I remember like having this burn
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Guest/Co-host
mark on my face because I had to. I had a sit and I put Tea tree oil. And it burned like my whole skin. Like literally the final of the, of the US Open.
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Blair
And no salicylic acid for Kim Kleistor. She's going with tea tree oil.
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Kim
Yes. But yeah, that was kind of my always my go to. Like I would, you know, go with, with supplements that I would, you know, that were had really good, you know, background checks and I would check it with the WTA and all that stuff. But that was kind of my, my go to all the time and try some more, you know, what they call alternative things. That to me seemed a lot more logic than. Yeah, normal stuff.
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Ella
But I think, yeah, it's worth doing your own research. Why, why not?
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Kim
That's what I felt good with.
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Ella
Yeah.
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Kim
And, and yeah, because otherwise I feel like I could have been on painkillers and anti inflammatories for my whole career
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Guest/Co-host
because there's always something that you're dealing with.
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Kim
So I didn't want to do that. So anyway, so these are my two recommendations. Avini, the plus motion and. And the parasite. Detox. Yeah.
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Blair
That is amazing.
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Kim
What's yours?
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Blair
This is my favorite segment, Kim. I'm not gonna lie.
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Ella
Okay, here is my recommendation for the day. A bag, if you're. Yes, so. So if you're listening to this, I'm holding up my work bag right now and it is from Dagny Dover. Hang on. I'm gonna see if I can get it more in the center of the frame for filming purposes. So it's a Dagny Dover and would you believe it's a diaper bag? When my last work bag bit the dust, Kim, I've probably ordered and returned like 27 bags because I have very specific qualifications and needs. Yes, I need it to have some compartments, but not too many because let's be honest, if I'm in a rush, am I sticking the thing in, you know, the 72nd pocket on the inside? No, probably not. So I like some pockets, but not too many. It's also really important that the straps stay on your shoulder because there are many bags where the strap falls off. Drives you crazy. There are some bags where the straps are too short. There are some bags where the straps are too long. There are also some bags that are just hanging heinous. And this thing goes with me literally every time I travel. And who wants to carry around a heinous work bag? But it is so great. It's also washable and it's this neoprene fabric that doesn't absorb dirt. You can wipe it down.
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Blair
Could not recommend it.
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Ella
More. And you know, I bought.
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Kim
You travel with it as well, like on a plane. And.
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Ella
Yes, so it goes under my seat. So it's big enough to fit, like if I need, you know, if I need to bring an extra outfit for the day. Like it's, it's plenty big, but it's not so big that it can't fit under the seat in front of you or that it's cumbersome to carry around during the day.
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Kim
No diapers in it.
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Listener/Caller
Thank.
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Blair
Thank the Lord, we are past the diapers stage. Sheesh. Let's knock on wood. But no, no diapers. But it.
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Ella
It was the diaper bag. And listen, I bought and returned 27 work bags, so you don't have to.
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Kim
To. Okay, great. Thank you. I had a little bag addiction when I was on tour.
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Blair
Did you?
- [62:30]
Kim
Oh, my God. I loved buying little toiletry bags. One for my, my bobby pins, the other one for my hair ties, like, one for whatever, sunscreen. Like I had all little bags in my, in my tennis bag and. But my bag addiction, I think started in New Haven at the tournament where the first time I played in my room, I got a. This amazing. Like, it was a big gift box. And in there, I think the. It was with Anne Worst.
- [62:58]
Ella
Worster Worcester.
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Kim
Yeah, her. She was a tournament director and the tournament sponsor at the time was. I don't know how to say it, probably Dooney Downey and Burke.
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Ella
Dooney and Burke.
- [63:10]
Kim
Yeah, Dooney and Burke. So we got this. I got this beautiful brown leather handbag and I was like. And I just love, loved it. I fell in love with it. I used it for years, like, on and off and. But that kind of is what started it. And then over time, I would kind of push myself or motivate myself. It's like, okay, if I win this next tournament, I'm going to buy. I'm going to buy this bag and it would be super expensive and I would like, push, hold it off. And I said, if I win this next one, I'll get it. And so I ended up, yeah, with a few nice, nice bags over the years also. There.
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Ella
It's an investment. These days you can resell old bags. It has, has more value than, you know, reselling diamonds.
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Kim
I've kind of grown out of it now. Like, to me, like, a bag needs to be practical. Yep. That's. That's the thing. And it's, it's not anymore. Like, half of the time I'm, you know, in, in a basketball gym and I need snacks and I need like a, a meal, like, to take, you know, whatever. Like, it's, it needs to be functional. And. But I kept one really nice one that my husband got me that I always wanted. And so it's. Yeah, it's good. I don't need all that stuff anymore.
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Ella
I know. Gosh.
- [64:18]
Blair
Say.
- [64:18]
Ella
Well, I call this my Mary Poppins
- [64:20]
Blair
bag because I, like, might pull out a lampshade.
- [64:22]
Ella
You never know.
- [64:24]
Blair
But Kim, this has been such a delight. I feel like techie, Sean and Ella are probably listening to this, being like we're. We're action rec room, because that was. That took like 20 minutes too long.
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Guest/Co-host
Oh, boy.
- [64:38]
Blair
I always love hearing your Rex and
- [64:40]
Ella
of course, your tennis analysis.
- [64:42]
Blair
It's always so much fun.
- [64:43]
Ella
And, and we thank you all for joining us for another episode of Love All. We'll be back next Wednesday. Fingers crossed.
- [64:49]
Blair
We're hoping we're gonna have a good guest, if not next week, then hopefully,
- [64:54]
Ella
hopefully soon for you guys. But in the meantime, make sure to follow us on all the socials like and subscribe on YouTube and go ahead and feel free to ask us questions in the comments if we can fit them in the episode or add them in in the end, we'd love to
- [65:07]
Blair
do that as well.
- [65:08]
Ella
Well, so thanks so much for listening. We'll see you next time.
- [65:10]
Kim
All right. Bye, Blair.
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