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Andy (Podcast Host)
Hey, everyone. Welcome to this week's Q and Andy. I'm excited for this week's show. And this is kind of like what the Q and A is about when we bring in people from the tennis universe, like the performance coach, the mental, the physical for one current world number one arena. Sabalenka. Jason, welcome to Served. How you doing?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Good morning, man. I'm great. Just feeling good. Fresh after a big, you know, big summer for us. And now we're just training, getting ready for the. The European clay court season. Just chilling, enjoying it.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
So. So you win in Miami and then you have a little bit. Everyone says break, but there are really no breaks.
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Mike (Producer)
Right?
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Because time doesn't stop for. Time doesn't stop for excellence. So what is kind of after you win in Miami? I'm assuming there's, you know, a couple days of, of laying low. What are you doing right now and how does the kind of lead up to clay work after our win?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah, I mean, look, the, the process is the process, like what you win or lose. You know, obviously we, we always go through and you know, what we've just done. We look at what was working well, you know, maybe what some things that needed some work. And then what's our plan moving forward for the next, you know, short term, like these next few weeks, and then longer term, like, are we on the right path still? So it's the same Same flow, no matter what. Win, lose, whatever the situation is. And like I said, we had two days off, maybe three days off. I think she had, which wasn't really days off because she's like, you know, our obligations and photo shoots and interviews and all that. And now we're training, so we're, you know, we're back at it on the court a couple times a day in the gym, you know, once or twice a day, just grinding away. You know, there were some new things that we've, we're adding to her game.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Oh, good. We were worried about her.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah, I can see that. I can see that.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
We were worried she wasn't going to win every time she stepped on the court.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah, well, you know, that's how it is, so. Well, to be honest, like a big focus for us right now is just the managing her energy a lot more, especially going into the European season, because, you know, last year was an important lesson that we're realizing. You know, a couple years ago, yeah, she was very consistent getting deeper into the tournaments over the last few years, maybe, you know, off and on a bit longer now then last year was pretty much just if she's in a tournament, she's going to be in the final or very, very close to that, if not winning it. And so that's a lot of matches, you know. And going into the clay court season last year, we had, you know, she had, you know, the Brisbane, the Australian Open, you know, we had Indian Wells final, Miami winning, you know, and then just a short time, boom, she's in Stuttgart. And then she went to like finals, finals, finals quarters, you know, and then to the final of French Open. So by the time she got to the French Open, I mean, she was so, so exhausted because she had played so many matches and you know, by the time she got to the final, she was so depleted. Just her energy and her bill to control her emotions and stay focused. She was just, she just like ran right through her. So it was really, it was a good lesson for all of us to realize, like, okay, we should just accept the fact and expect that, well, if we show up somewhere, we're going to get to the final and start to understand that we need to manage that as far as schedule goes, as far as all the things we do outside of the court, how she's managing all her obligations, like with sponsors and whatnot. And so that's been a big focus the last year and a half, but especially this year now, coming into the, you know, French Open because we, we've the last three years, the French Open, she showed up sick, you know, like, unwell. So it's like, okay, we gotta, we gotta add or tweak some things there. So that's kind of our focus from, from my perspective right now.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Hey, techie. Sean, you had a cold like three months ago, and you didn't come to work for like two and a half weeks. She made the. She made a. I just made that up. But she made it. She made a French Open final. Not feeling well. So that's. I don't know, probably same. Same, right? It's.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
It's about the same.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Yeah. It's interesting. You, you, you went down that path and, you know, with kind of making adjustments based on recent history. And it's, it's weird because I always hear it. And then when someone says it out loud, like, hey, we have to space it out. We have to make sure that we have energy. We have to make sure that we're mentally and physically ready. Everyone sits around and goes, yeah, yeah, you know, that makes sense. That's. That's totally great. That's totally great. And then when the actuality of taking, you know, action for those things, like missing a tournament in Dubai or. And then everyone's like, well, no, we don't like that. You know, so it's weird that we all agree with it in premise, but then when, when it actually comes to fruition, people get a little salty about it. That's something. You just shrug your shoulders and say, you know, whatever. I mean, they. Novak pulls out of a tournament, everyone gets mad. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, he's managing his schedule like he should be. I mean, do you, do you guys get frustrated? Like, with. Do you guys get frustrated with that, or is it just kind of something that comes along with the job?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
No, I just, I mean, you know, you expect it, you know, it's going to happen. You know, you're not doing it to harm anyone or to, you know, make people upset. It's just like, that's the reality. Like you said, if, if people want arena Sabalenka and the excitement and the results and the story and the, you know, personality, well, that's what we have to do. So it's just the reality of it.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
So, performance coach, I want you to break down for our listeners because Mike, read kind of an explanation of what it was, what it would be, and you cover a lot of ground, right? There's the physical part. There's, you know, the, the tip of the cap to the mental Angle simply, what is your job? If you would describe it, you know, week to week, day to day, month to month.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
I suppose there's two big parts. One is, you know, I'm looking after sort of the mental and physical side of her ability to perform her best, whatever that might mean in the time. So it could be, you know, what we're doing, how we're training physically. It could be how she's managing her energy or maybe some personal thing or mental thing that's going on, emotional thing. It's just looking at her as a whole person on and off the court, making sure that physically she's capable and she has all the tools necessary. I have to make sure physically she's able to show up on court for practice and Anton show up in a way that she can do anything that Anton needs her to do without any sort of modification or adjustment. So it's making sure physically, no matter what she shows up and she could do whatever's asked of her. And that's the goal. Right. Physically side, mentally, very similar. Just managing, you know, her environment, managing how to manage your emotions and all the energy and like, you know, you know, from, you know, the internal, external stuff. Part of that has to do with a lot of ways, you know, a big part of my job is making sure that we have the right people doing the right things at the right time. Right. So a simple word for it is I'm the babysitter. Basically. That's what they kind of refer to me as. I'm like the babysitter, you know, so. So a lot of that is day to day is, like I said. Yeah. Obviously the fitness side, you know, within that, you know, learning how to use her body to keep training her mind, because that's a lot easier, more reliable method to make sure mentally you're ready to perform your best is use your body to train your mind. It's Anton and I speaking on a, you know, daily or several times a day about what's going on, how we're feeling, what we've seen, if there's any sort of even sometimes like a gut feeling about something and how she's moving or what's going on, scheduling everything. So we just constantly just going back and forth, making sure that we're all on the same page and that, you know, neither of us are missing something. And then again, like, just bringing the right kind of people in at the right time, you know, to make sure that we're ticking those boxes.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
I have one more thing. I've talked about this with arena on. Not with arena, but about arena on our show before, and it was strange. When we were growing up, it was kind of mental toughness. They all wanted it to kind of look the same, right? It was like, keep your head down, you know, take deep breaths. We don't show anything. And the more I kind of watch tennis greatness and kind of look backwards, it's like we have so many different types of players. We have the Pete's and the Rogers who are calmer, and then we have some psychos like McEnroe, and we have. It's not kind of one size fits all. Talk about. You just talked about all those things with emotions and all this stuff. We don't really have to wonder what Irina's thinking. Very often talk about managing kind of the emotions of such a big personality, but also like, she's gotta be who she is, right? It feels like, I'm telling you, in your business, but it feels like you can't dampen that personality and how big it is. What are the trade offs with. Listen, we need to do these things to maybe be a little bit calmer, but also, listen, she's got a. She's got to go, she's got to shine.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
She.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
She takes up a lot of air in the room.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
That's a great way of putting it. No, look, man, you. I mean, you've been there, done that, and now you can look back on it and look at it from different lenses, but. Absolutely. Right. That's something that always bothered me over the years, is that, you know, there's always this, like, control your emotions and you have to be stoic or you have to do this or that. And that is true in very specific situations and with specific people in specific, you know, in certain situations, in the context of things. Right. So I'm not saying that's not a real thing. There's a time and place for it and like you said, for the individual. So, you know, that is. That is. I mean, I don't even know how else to explain it really, is the fact that, yes, you have to meet the person where they're at. You have to understand who they are. It's not about controlling your emotions, it's about mastering them. Right. It's about understanding who you are and what makes you who you are.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
And.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
And sometimes you need a little bit of reminder about that. Right. And so it's just creating an environment for yourself that allows you to be who you are. Right. Have that freedom to make mistakes, have that freedom to explore. Have that freedom to, you know, fail to win, you know, to be who you are. But again, it's having that awareness of, like, all those emotions and those, Those ways, are they helping me? Are they hurting me? Is it a liability or an asset? And that's starting to. That's kind of what we did over the last several years with arena from day one, is just start stripping away what, what's the. What are the. The patterns or the reactions that you're having that are definitely not a lot. You know, they're a liability to you. They're actually costing you, you know, energy and matches and whatnot versus the things that are assets, like who's. What is it about you that makes you you, that gives you that fire, that competitiveness, that. That ability to, like when you're down a set and it's now five love and you come back and you win, which we did several times. You know what I mean? Well, who is that? Let's find out who that person is and let's figure out how we can create this environment for you. First to trust yourself, right? And then to start to build that environment around you that everything and everyone around you is feeding that. Right? So we're not like, trying to force anything in a specific way because it doesn't make any sense. You have to meet people where they're at. So, I mean, I can tell you quickly about this, like a quote from one of my old coaches when I was younger, and I've just recently, over the last so many years, kind of come back to that. But I call. I renamed. I call it the loyalty loop, right? So I'll give you. It's a real quick quote. So it's, you know, through loyalty you gain trust, right? Trust creates freedom. And to maintain that freedom, remain loyal. And there's several layers to this, right? So loyalty, some people, when they first think of, they go loyalty to some other thing, some external thing. But the first step to that, to me, is self loyalty, right? So being loyal to yourself, meaning if you show up and you do the things that you say you're going to do. Like you have a decision, like you said, you make decision to do something, but if there's no action connected to it, then you're literally teaching yourself of who, who you are. Like, you're not the person who follows through, you're not the person who's, you know, it's those little lies that you tell to yourself. And when pressure hits, when you start to get stressed out and, you know, those key moments, those little, like, moments where you made a decision, but you didn't take action on it and they weren't aligned with who you are. That's when you're going to fall apart, right? It's not. They're like everyone's fast and strong and has great technique and blah, blah, blah. It's those things where if you really believe and have that self belief, right. So self loyalty is more like. It's the precursor to self belief. Right. And that gains trust in yourself, which allows you to have that freedom to go out there and take risks, to go out there to be open, to learn new things, to be out to, you know, to just be more creative. Right. So that loyalty is where it starts. And that's the first step is just with yourself, obviously. Then there's other, like how you show up every day consistently, you know, being who you say you are. That's the key right there. And so with Irina, to go back to, your question was just. Or your question statement was, you know, over the years, just creating that environment where the people around her, not only is she becoming more aware of herself, but the second stage is making sure we create the environment where, well, that is what is being fed. That is what is expected of every one of us to show up as who we are every day. And if we make a decision about something, we take an action that supports that. And if we don't, then it gets pointed out. So that way we're very, very much like that.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
You should write a book, man.
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Mike (Producer)
You should.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Funny you say that.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
You should, you should call it Pressure Code. It should be available for pre order now and out on September 8th.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
That's a great, that's a great idea.
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Mike (Producer)
Maybe do a website called thepressurecode.com maybe do that too. And you can sign up there for preorders.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Tell you what, just we're going to take some questions from, from fans and fans of Arenas, fans of yours that have, have written in and have some questions kind of about that relationship, about process and, and just while you're answering those questions, just think more about the book thing and we'll circle back to see if it has become real by the time this, this, this interview's over. Does that work? All right, producer Mike hit us with the questions from. From served listeners.
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Mike (Producer)
Yeah, we kind of tracking where you guys were going with this line of questioning. Aaron sent us a question on Instagram that said functional fitness, breathing and emotional control. How did you get arena on board with that? And I think it's about the process of, like you said, over Several years. I mean, it's not like you did this overnight, right? Talk us through that.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Absolutely. I mean, when. When I first showed up in Belarus, what, seven, eight years ago, you know, it was her. Her father and Dimitri were there. Actually. That's how I connected with her. And, you know, you could tell right away it was like, who's this short little American guy? Like, what is this? Her dad is like this giant ex ice hockey, you know, eastern block, you know, ex athlete. Just like this house of a man. And everyone's like, who is. Who's a weird little American guy? But anyway, so look, to go back to the question, it was definitely, you know, initially, it was a lot of trial and error. You know, it was more just, you know, again, building that trust. So showing up as who I say am and following through with that. So building that. That trust over time, you know, having. Having to go at trying different things and. And so with. With arena, with everything, really, even to this day, we don't really do, like, okay, we're doing this new thing or this. This thing, and this is big, and there's this big problem we have to do. Blah, blah, blah, blah. It's always just little steps, little layers. So I just. I saw where she was at. I saw that there was some emotional control things that we had to work on. There was some physical things that, you know, she had some potential, but there was a lot of disconnect there, not a lot of awareness of her body. And there's some technical things which we only just recently were able to address, really. But of those three things, there was two that I had a lot of, you know, control over that I can help. And so it was really just experimenting, kind of figuring out how her body was adapting, how she felt on court, because, you know, obviously that makes a difference. It's. It's not about what I think is the right thing. It's like, how can I help you feel the way you need to feel to go compete your best, to have that freedom and that recovery and that movement. And again, making sure that it was matching with whatever, you know, like, in this case, Anton, what he needs from her, you know, from a Tactical and strategical, you know. Strategical? Is that a word? Anyway, so I just took a lot of time. It was just introducing little bits at a time, and it was more like layering. So, like, whatever she was doing already, I'd add a little bit to it, right? And then I'd add another layer to. So if there was an exercise that she liked, great. We'd do it. And then I might change the base of support. I might change the. The way of having her breathe through it. So I'm just slowly introducing things. So it becomes two reasons. One that gain that trust. So she feels it. But a lot of it is I don't want her to think so much about it. I just want it to be a natural thing that comes from her. So I give her a little bit of a layer, whether it's physical, mental, whatever. It's so subtle most of the time that she just starts doing it automatically without thinking about it, because I don't need her to think about anything. I want her just to do the thing. So, yeah, that's been a process.
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Mike (Producer)
That's cool. And I think walking through kind of all those layers that you talked about, and I think you touched on it earlier about being a babysitter. Samantha Listener wrote in that arena is a huge team. What are the communication dynamics so that everyone can be on the same page without stressing out the athlete?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah, I mean, look, there's just mostly the threat of physical harm if you don't know.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Oh, I love physical harm jokes.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
So there we go, baby. When in doubt, choke him out. That's my son.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
When in doubt, choke him out.
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Mike (Producer)
MMA background.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Been a great interview. Thank you. No, just joking.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah. I mean, look, like I said before, the for. Because that's how it was from the start and has been so many years that it's really. Arena, Anton and myself are the key, sort of the. The tightest circle where we're communicating. And it's gotten to a point, really, over the last several years that, like, arena can say something to me and knows that Anton will know. She can say something to Anton and knows that he'll know. I know. And then Anton, I will know that she'll know. Like, so we all know that we don't have to kind of repeat ourselves. We can. Because a lot of times those conversations, like, the key moments sometimes will happen. It's not a scheduled thing. It might be during a workout, a treatment. It could be on court, like, randomly driving back from whatever. And so, you know, it's good to know that, like, if there's something that's shared, then we all understand what's happening, so we don't have to kind of try to figure things out all the time. So there's that. And then everyone on the team understands that. Okay, you filter those kind of. Anything to go to arena first goes through us. Well, you know, based on what it is or the timing and so that's really. And it's not like in a weird, like formal, structured, like, you know, serious way. It's just everyone understands that, hey, this is how it works best. Nothing goes to arena unless we all have the understanding. And there's a clarity about what we're going to do and how we're going to introduce it and then we can discuss it with her. And then often what will happen is usually Anton and I will discuss sort of, well, who's going to bring that up and when, you know, or how are we going to introduce this and it's going to be together, it's going to be separate, it's going to be, you know, maybe a different person. You know, like even in like simple example, even in our warm ups for matches, for example, is that I often will get everyone on the team in different points involved to do different parts of the warmup. Just so everyone's sort of, you know, part of the team and part of the process. So yeah, that's the circle there. It's like Anton and myself are talking on a regular basis. I'm speaking with arena, he's speaking with arena, we're speaking with each other, you know, at key moments, especially after certain tournaments, you know, we'll get together and just have like a, you know, breakfast or dinner that night or the next day and just kind of go over, see what comes out. Again, nothing planned, you know, and some of those conversations we've had were very, very deep and intense. Others are just very kind of, eh, okay, so again we just see where we're at and keep going.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
So, yeah, how long did it take you? And maybe this isn't a finished product because I don't know that sports ever is. But one of the things that I learned kind of after I stopped and I just talked to great coaches or, or people that are really good at their job is I can look at a match and I can see what someone should do. I could see a technical deficiency. What I think I would suck at as a coach is because I would want to get the information out if I saw it. Is the greatest coaches are very aware of when their player is ready to receive the information. Right. How long, you know, when does that seem to be the case with arena? And how long did it kind of take you to get that cadence? Or is it just kind of a constant work in progress?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
I'm all the above, I'd say. I mean, it's always a work in progress. As you said, there's never really like an end Point like, okay, this is the thing. Because, you know, things change and situations vary how you're responding to it, all that. So I think it's just being really aware of again, everyone on the team being, you know, more aware of themselves, like how they show up, you know, it's again, keep helping arena become more self aware as well. And just a constant reminder, like we have those systems in place where we don't bring up things, introduce things, unless, you know, even if we really want to. It's having that trust and that patience in that process, you know, that sounded too cheesy that even if I have something and it's like, wow, this is like, I really got to get this out.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Fuck. It's so hard not to say it, isn't it?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
I know it is. You're like right there. But you know that if, you know, the thing is, if you understand that if I do it too soon or at the wrong timing, the value of that gets lost, right? And so you missed an opportunity and it's really hard. But it takes a lot of experience, I think. I mean, I've been doing this for decades now, but like it takes a lot of time and experience and really patience. But that goes back to what I said about if you really, that self belief, that loyalty to the team and to yourself and you build that trust, then I know it's like, okay, you know, And I know Anton is the same thing. Like he can, he can have those moments where he knows he needs to get out, but he can, he's, he's got that control of himself knowing that. Okay, as soon as I'm done talking with her, I got to go talk to Jason or I got to go talk to so and so and we'll kind of bang it out, you know, sort of back and forth to kind of filter out what we need or don't need and how and when and who. Because sometimes, like I said, it's even who we have deliver the messages or who are we going to have spend time with her, who's going to go to this event. You know, it's, it's very, you know, purposeful in that kind of sense. So it does take a lot of patience.
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Mike (Producer)
So kind of still staying in that vein, I think that's a good transition to a question from Orland. He asked, what is Sablanca's daily routine both during and not during a tournament? And I think to expand on it also, like what is cemented and what is not, what's fluid and what's not.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
I Mean, there's a number of things, you know, obviously, as you guys know, it's a lot of it depends on the tournament, the schedule and the timing and all that. So it can vary. But obviously, you know, she's very consistent with her meal, you know, what she eats, you know, she doesn't really vary too much about what she's eating. You know, it depends on where we are, what that is, you know, like, if it's at a tournament, if it's at home, but she has pretty consistent meals with their supplementation, you know, she's very consistent with that, with what I'm. What I'm giving her. That might vary a little bit throughout the year based on, you know, so how she's doing and what we're working on. Her sleep schedule, she's very religious about. She's very, very. You know, nowadays especially, she's really good at making sure she sleeps well. As far as movement goes, she's. We do something every day, right? But to give you an example, sometimes movement, I could. I'm like, hey, just go shopping, go walk around for a couple hours and just shop and go do whatever, like go to the beach and go for a walk. It doesn't have to be like exercise or, you know, a program or something. It's just move your body every day, you know, doing something. What else is a routine? I mean, if it's during tournaments, then, yeah, we'd get up, I'll have breakfast, we go to the gym, we warm up, you know, which could vary based on what we're working on, what we're seeing. Go to practice, go back to the gym, do a bit of fitness, go eat, go back to practice, you know, so it's. It's just the same sort of cycle of just eat, sleep, workout, train, practice, you know, chat, you know. On match days, the night before match, Anton will sit with her for, you know, anywhere between five minutes to a half hour discussing the. The next day's match. But real briefly, we don't go into too much detail with that. We don't really want her to. I mean, this is not a disrespectful statement, just to be clear. Like, this is just the way it has to be, I think, is that we don't really let her humanize the opponent. So it's like, this is the opponent. Here's the plan for the day. This is your strength. This how you can apply your strength to her weakness, and that's it. And then when the match is over, you shake hands and you realize who's in front of you. Before that, it's just an opponent.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Yeah. And just to pitch in on that question, like during tournament routine, if you're playing at 10pm on Ash versus 11am in Mason, Ohio, it's just very different. Like you're adjusting to the schedule that's being dictated to you by the tournaments as opposed to. I can only assume. And Jason, just punch in if I'm wrong. But like when you're home, like what they're doing now with training blocks, it is a little bit easier to be routine based and scheduled than at actual tournaments. What else we got, Mike?
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Mike (Producer)
Next up, we got a video question from Katie.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Hey, Andy. Hey, Jason. Oh my God, I'm so excited for this episode. So, yeah.
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Experian Advertiser
Okay, my question, guys, my question is
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
that when your body is tired, but your goal is bigger than your comfort, so what is the mental switch that elite athletes use to keep going? So just a little question, small one.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
It sounded simple, but I feel like, how do you fix that?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
How much time do we have?
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Mike (Producer)
What is the universe, Jason?
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Andy (Podcast Host)
How do you fix everything when you're tired? You're gonna have the best seller go just one more.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Like one quick little thing. Well, I would just start with a statement that, you know, people who get stuff done, you know, I think there's a problem in the world these days where everyone is waiting to feel good, to do something versus doing something to feel good, right? So it's about action. It's about just starting whatever it is. I don't care how you feel. We'll all get tired. We're all this. If it's something that you've made a decision about and a commitment to, Remember I said about that loyalty to yourself, then you take an action behind it. Even if it's the smallest little freaking action, that's usually all you need. Have you ever had to go do something where you're like, oh, I can't be bothered, I don't want to go. But when you show up, you're like so happy you went there, right? It just takes that step. In fact, just the other day I was talking to a friend about he wants to start reading more and he's struggling and now it's working really well. But I tricked him and I gave him this. I said, listen, we found out what's the least amount of action he could take toward that. And that was. I was even guy down to like just read one page a day, right? Just read one page. But we got it to like, he's going to read just A paragraph a day. He goes, oh, I for sure can do that. And almost eight times out of 10, he'll read like 3, 4, 5, 10, 20 pages, right? Because he started. Because, you know, the end of that paragraph, it's like kind of want to know what happened next. What happened next? And you kind of get into a little bit of momentum. So the only way things get done is by doing something, not waiting to feel better. So I think that would be one of the biggest things, is just learning how to, like, even if you're tired, it's like, okay, do what you can right now, knowing that it's not going to be always perfect. You're not always going to get the best out of yourself or the most that you want. But just starting something, right, just to at least give yourself, you know, your brain, like that information of like, no, look, I know I felt this, and I had all these reasons why I can't or I couldn't, but I still did something right. So you're still building that resiliency and that mindset of like, okay, I know I can do this. I know it's not as bad as I feel right now. I know that I'm the person who shows up no matter how I feel. I don't need to feel perfect to do it. So it's all these kind of things. So I think it's just that, you know, and then obviously, you know, having the right. Again, that right environment, the right people around you to help support that, not to encourage. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're tired. Just. Just take a day off and have these donuts and, you know, whatever. Go watch Netflix for the next 12 hours and. Or scroll on your phone or whatever. So, you know, getting those. Yeah, I see, I see the. Look over there.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
You said donuts, and I looked at Mike. I don't really like donuts. Yeah, I love donuts. He doesn't like them. He loves them. Yeah, just, just, just might just eat. Just eat. Like. So the takeaway is just eat, like, even if it's just one little green pea today, just. Just start with that. And then it's the other stuff I
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Mike (Producer)
eat after I eat healthy, by the way.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Let's not let this little banter get in the way of what he said. No notes on that. Like, I mean, I've said it before. Like, I. I was good at being sad and working out. Seriously.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Awesome, man.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Like, that that matters. Like, you know that, that, that what he's saying. Like, no notes. Like, copy, paste, click, send it out, send it out, Techie. Sean. That's the one. Go ahead, producer.
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Mike (Producer)
Good.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
And then this.
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Mike (Producer)
This last question. We started a thing last week on the show, and now we're going to continue. We decide it's going to be called the Random question of the day. Sean, play the new intro.
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Time for the random question of the day.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
You guys have too much time on your hands.
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Mike (Producer)
Jesus. I knew you were gonna hate that. I knew you were gonna hate it,
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Andy (Podcast Host)
and I love it. This one.
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Mike (Producer)
This one was sent to us as a comment on Instagram from somebody with the handle at Arena Sabalenka.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Oh, great, here we go.
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Mike (Producer)
Not scared, she said, I have a very special question. Why don't he let his hair grow so stylish? Please ask him that. Laughing emojis. I think he should consider that Laughing emojis.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
And she keeps trying to make me just let my hair grow out. That's like, you know what? Bald is beautiful, baby. So, you know, I'm just. I'm just sexy the way it is, you know?
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Are you. I have a question for you. Could. Could you grow it out? Are you just being passive aggressive for us actually balding people? Or are you. Are you one of us?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
No, no, no, I got like this. See all this space there? Yeah, yeah, it's definitely. I was definitely very getting thin, and I just, you know, one day I shaved it years ago and I'm like, yeah. Took me some time to get used to, but I was like, ah, whatever. Anton's doing that now, too, because he's got the big old circle in the back.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
I have the. We called the ginobly.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
The what?
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Andy (Podcast Host)
The manu Ginobili is what we call it. You can't hide it in the NBA because you can't wear a hat.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
That's right.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
You know it's true. I don't know. I don't like.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah, no, keep it that way.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
What was the handle on that question again?
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Mike (Producer)
Rina Sabalenka.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
I think. I think Arena. That sounds baldest to me. Yeah, she's the baldest.
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Mike (Producer)
Yeah.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Like, it's a little.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Get a hold of that. That hotline from WTA, like, you know, for abuse or whatever. That's what I'm saying.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Just. You need to. We need to report baldism. Oh, man. Is that a reach?
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Mike (Producer)
You know what we were wondering about earlier before we let you go? We were wondering about the ideas that didn't come.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Oh, yeah. I got this one to the court.
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Mike (Producer)
Yeah.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
So I think of that when I think of that nice shiny dome you got working There. That took a stray from. From arena. Okay, so this is a question I had. So you famously, a couple years ago, had that big ass tattoo on your head just randomly at the US Open final. Like, I would have been like, oh, no, I can't shift the energy. I don't want to do anything crazy. You, your team seems nuts. And my question is not like, why would you do that? Because I think we've heard that it was a bet and it's all in good fun and that whole thing, but if you're doing that on US Open finals day, what type of shit is left on the cutting room floor with you all?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
It's, what rating is this podcast?
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Andy (Podcast Host)
There's not. It's the Internet. No one cares. No one watches. It's fine.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
I don't know, I mean, I mean, we have a lot of different ideas. I'm not sure, from like wigs to like costumes that we wear to just signs that we thought about making to hand signals for coaching, which were probably a little inappropriate, but like, okay, no,
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Andy (Podcast Host)
that's like my generation, we used to have to was like a third base coach. We're like, we're not coaching.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, there's. There's some interesting things, but usually it's just in like good fun, joking around. But yeah, the Tiger thing was cool. The second year I did that, that was more. This last year when we won was more for myself, I did it. But yeah, it was cool.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
I like it always, always in good fun. So in all seriousness, we referenced that you should write a book. You have written a book. It is available for pre order. It is called pressure code. Pressure Code.com by Jason Stacy or.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Sorry, The Pressure Code.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
The Pressure Code.
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Mike (Producer)
It'll be on the bottom of the
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Andy (Podcast Host)
screen and in the link. It's not one of many. It is the.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Because it is the Pressure code.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
No other submissions, please talk to us. Why, how, and why now? See that rhyme?
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Yeah, that's pretty. That's pretty good. I mean, like, I've been doing this for a long time, like I said, and, you know, over the years I've had clients and other athletes and just colleagues tell me, you should write a book. You should write a book. Partly because of my own personal story, how it kind of came about, how I look at, you know, life and coaching and just the outcomes I was helping people with, you know, with them on and off their sport or in and out of their sport and, you know, never really thought much about it, but everything kind of lined up just like A few years ago with some people I met, and some people are helping, and they ended up taking the initiative to say, no, we're going to make you write the book. So I was on a phone with some guy, was like a friend of mine, sort of not really tricked me, but I had this, this. This chat with a literary agent, you know, on a Zoom call. You know, he's huge. You know, he was with Franklin Covey for 30 years. You know, the, you know, seven habits of highly effective people. He's the CMO for them for many years. And anyway, halfway through the conversation, he goes, he just stopped. He asked his assistant, he goes, hey, what's my schedule on Monday? He's like, I'm flying to come see you. We're having lunch. I'm like, what? And he just basically sat there, said, you have to write a book. Whether it's with me or not, I don't care, but you're writing a book. And I was like, all right, let's do this. But look, it was something that I've been thinking about quite a bit, but just there's a number of reasons. I mean, some of it was just I really want people to understand that, you know, I see so many people chasing hacks these days, especially. Or they're going through all different coaches and programs and ideas, and they're frustrated and they're getting like. They just kind of go around in circles all the time, right? They're just sort of repeating, repeating, repeating, and some of them get somewhere, but some of them don't. Or a lot of people I work with, you know, they get to a certain level and they don't like who they become, or they're very burnt out, or they're miserable, or they. They don't know where to go next, or they don't know how they got there. And so I just realized that, you know, to me, all these things that people are chasing, to me, these are like. The analogy I used to. I like to give is that, you know, to me, these are like apps on your phone, right? And these three E's, what the book is about, which is managing your energy, your emotions, and your environment, that is the operating system of your phone. So I don't care how cool, fancy, new or advanced the app is, it's only going to be as effective as your operating system. And that is like, what kind of. What I've been talking about a little bit today is just how you manage your energy, right? How you manage your emotions, how you manage your environment. Because I see so many people just struggling in their personal life and their professional life. And it to me, this. If you can just. You have an opportunity or an obstacle facing, you know, it's tough situation, good or bad, right? Cause sometimes good opportunities can be stressful, right? Is if you understand that. If you can just take a step back and cycle through those three E's and figure out what you have control over, what you don't, what resources you have, you know, all that kind of stuff, that gives you this sense of control and this gives you this power, right? So it gives you this clarity. And if you keep doing that, you can walk into any room ready to go. You don't have to know what's on the other side of that door. You'll show up and you're ready to go, right? You're not. You. You turn pressure into, like a fuel for yourself versus something that you worry about. You fight against, you resist. Because that's what most people are doing, right? They're trying to find a way to, you know, avoid the pressure, fight the pressure. It's like, well, no, pressure is fuel if you have the right operating system, right? And so if just people could just understand that. Just drive me crazy because it really works. Like, I want, I want, I want my kids, the people I work with, everyone I know, just to like, I want you to walk. I want to say, there's a door right there. Walk through it. And I'm not going to tell you what's on the other side, but you have to show up. And I mean, show up. And they're going to go, let's go. They'll be through the door before I finish my sentence. And that's, that's what these three, this, the pressure code will give you is literally that. That power, that control of that, of anything that you have to do and how to sustain it.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
I can't wait to have producer Mike read it one paragraph at a time.
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Mike (Producer)
Oh, yeah, maybe I'll get to 20 pages a day.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Just start with one sentence at a time.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
One sentence at a time.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Better.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Even better. Hey, listen, I can't wait to read it when it, when it. When it comes out. Hopefully. Maybe you can sneak me one before it. It comes out. But the pressure code. Dot com. Listen, this has been. I. I've learned a lot. This is a. This is fantastic. Congrats to Arena. Congrats to you for your success in, in helping with. With her success. It's been, it's been fun to watch. You guys are a real injection of life into the into the tennis tour. We're always happy for her successes. Therefore your successes. Good to come on. Come on. Absolutely. Anytime. And drop these knowledge bombs on us. Jason, good luck with the rest of the training block in Miami and good luck for the rest of the season.
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Jason Stacy (Performance Coach)
Hey man, thank you very much. Thanks, guys. Thank you.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
Cheers. Thanks for coming on serve and that has been Q and Andy. We'll see you next week. Actually, where the hell can they send questions?
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Mike (Producer)
Yeah, if you want to be featured on the show, send your questions to ask andy@servpodcast.com hit us up in our DMs on socials or drop it in the comments here.
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Andy (Podcast Host)
And I like announcing if we have someone cool like Jason coming on for the next week. I don't think we have anything yet so just we'll roll the dice. It might just be me. We'll see you next week.
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