#Bonus: Today I'm speaking with Mirela Mus, Founder and CPO at Product People. Her team of 41 in-house product managers helps companies cover parental leaves, scale teams up quickly during hyper-growth, and cover any other use case that calls for interim product managers.

This bonus episode breaks with the main theme of season 1 of the Shapers & Builders podcast, which is primarily about case studies of teams using Shape Up. Instead, today we get to enjoy the fact that Mirela and her team have worked within every product development context you can imagine, and learn from the incredible breadth of experience that Mirela has built up over the past 5 years with her team.

Besides Shape Up, which Mirela experienced during an engagement at TIER mobility, we talk about the general landscape of "software delivery", the intricacies of interim product management, how to evaluate seniority in any role, and what you can learn about product management from reading science-fiction books.

I had the best of times talking to Mirela, and am sure you'll enjoy our conversation!

Links:
Product People website: https://www.getproductpeople.com/
Mirela on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mirelamus/
Thinking in Systems: https://www.goodreads.com/ro/book/show/3828902-thinking-in-systems
Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System: https://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/
Thinking in Bets: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/35957157
Player of Games: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/18630
Use of Weapons: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12007
Shaping in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_8M23wVjXk
Shapers & Builders job board: https://www.shapers.builders