(Preview) Constructing US-China Stability; Trump’s Taiwan Comments and More Summit Takeaways; Putin in China

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Episode: (Preview) Constructing US-China Stability; Trump’s Taiwan Comments and More Summit Takeaways; Putin in China

Date: May 21, 2026
Hosts: Andrew Sharp and Bill Bishop
Guest Contributor: Ben Thompson

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Overview:

This episode delves into recent developments in US-China relations, focusing on the strategic stalemate evident at the recent US-China summit, President Trump’s approach to Taiwan, and the underlying realpolitik shaping interactions. The conversation analyzes both the optics and substance of bilateral engagements, exploring what’s changed—and what hasn’t—in the path toward "strategic stability."

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. US-China Summit: Optics vs. Reality

• Superficial Optics vs. True Underlying Nature:

  • Bill cites Lee Hao Kai’s analysis (from Cynicism):

    “We must strictly distinguish the superficial optics of this summit from the true underlying nature of the relationship within China. Very few serious strategists are viewing these developments as positively as they appear. Instead of a genuine relationship recovery, or a strategic reset… we might be witnessing a calculated stalling tactic from both sides designed to manage risk as both nations lock into a protracted strategic stalemate.” (00:31)

  • Both Bill and Ben strongly agree with this interpretation, emphasizing that the summit's friendly gestures (like banquets, walks, toasts) are surface-level while substantive, structural frictions remain unresolved.

• Key Quote:

  • Bill:

    “If a friend asked me what's going on with the US And China and what was the summit last week all about? Particularly the phrase a calculated stalling tactic from both sides designed to manage risk as both nations lock into a protracted stalemate. That kind of nails it.” (01:53)

• US Approach:

  • Acknowledgment that no major concessions or breakthroughs occurred—publicly, at least (01:35-01:53).
  • Bill points out the diplomatic choice of adopting PRC's framing and phrasing as a superficial gesture (01:53).

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2. Side Developments & Spycraft

• CIA Director’s Visit to Cuba:

  • Ben highlights the timing:

    “The CIA director, the day that Trump was meeting, we see the CIA director was in Havana, Cuba, meeting with Cuban officials... among his requests were that the, the Cubans stopped, you know, all intelligence cooperation with the Russians and the Chinese...” (02:59-03:34)

  • Bill and Ben underscore that despite amicable summit optics, hard security maneuvers continue unabated.

• Summary Point:

  • Ben:

    “In a lot of ways, nothing has changed is how I look at it.” (03:59)

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3. Taiwan and Trump’s Comments

• Pressure on US Language Toward Taiwan:

  • Ben notes Chinese pressure for US to shift language from “we don’t support Taiwanese independence” to “we oppose independence” (03:59-04:31).
  • Such a shift would be a major win for China in both propaganda and implications for Taiwan’s domestic politics.
  • Multiple US officials clarified: “Our Taiwan policy has not changed.”

• Arms Sales to Taiwan:

  • Discrepancy in reported deal sizes—$12-19 billion (04:31-05:28).
  • Bill describes China’s reactions:

    “The Chinese got really upset with the December 11billion package. And again, what I kept hearing was... they can handle it when it’s a billion or two. The problem was the big package. This new one was even bigger.” (04:52)

  • Discussion on the diplomatic fallout, including threats to cancel visits (05:22).

• Trump’s Public Comments:

  • Trump publicly stated he discussed arms sales with China—contradicts “Six Assurances” (the US should not consult PRC on this) (05:28-05:57).
  • Bill:

    “The candor from Trump in the course of all these comments on Taiwan, it... keeps you guessing. You got to stay on your toes because some of his answers are outstanding and consistent with long standing policy. Some... contravene longstanding traditions.” (05:57)

  • Notably, Trump talks about using arms sales as leverage and even about calling Taiwan’s president (which would cross a major line since 1979).

• Quote — Trump's Messaging Discipline:

  • Ben:

    “Actually the president was, was remarkably disciplined. And I think people were, who watch this closely were actually positively surprised by his messaging discipline around Taiwan. Until the Brett Bear interview. And then sort of like the bottom fell out...” (06:56)

Key Moments from Trump’s Bret Baier Interview:

• On de-escalation:
  • Trump:

    “I want them, the Taiwanese to cool down. I want China to cool down. I’m not looking to have somebody go independent. We are supposed to travel 9,500 miles for it to fight a war. I’m not looking for that. I want them to cool down. I want China to cool down.” (07:34-07:59)

• On Taiwan's intentions:
  • Trump:

    “They’re going independent because they want to get into war and they want to— they figure they have the US United States behind them. I’d like to see it stay the way it is. I want the status quo, is what I’m saying with a little bit of stuff that’s controversial in front of it.” (08:00-08:20)

• On whether policy has changed:
  • Trump:

    “No, nothing has changed.” (08:36)

• On holding arms sales as leverage:
  • Trump:

    “I have not approved it yet. We’re going to see what happens. I may do it, I may not do it…It depends on China. Depends. It’s a very good negotiating chip for us, frankly. It’s a lot of weapons. It’s $12 billion.” (09:16-09:38)

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4. Analysis and Reactions

• Optics vs. Substance:

  • Bill and Ben contend that, despite recent summits, fundamentally little has changed in US-China relations—stalemate persists.
  • US continues to make gestures to keep channels open but avoids real concessions or strategic shifts.
  • China is focused on the long game and unlikely to be swayed by performative negotiations or “pause and talk” tactics.

• Concerns Over Trump’s Approach:

  • His willingness to publicly describe US-Taiwan-China negotiations (especially regarding arms sales as leverage) is highly unusual and potentially destabilizing, violating the intent of longstanding US policy (Six Assurances).
  • Ben notes:

    “The, it's a very good negotiation for us is problematic because one, the U.S. — this goes back to the six assurances. This is not something the U.S. would use as a negotiating chip for China. But two, even more, more important, I think is the Chinese don't really see... They don't want something to negotiate.” (09:38-10:53)

• Bill sums up:

  • “If used as a negotiating chip, that is just unlikely to move the Chinese on any issues.” (11:06)

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Notable Quotes

• On the Summit:

  “A calculated stalling tactic from both sides designed to manage risk as both nations lock into a protracted strategic stalemate.” — Lee Hao Kai/quoted by Bill (01:31)

• On Arms Sales as Leverage:

  “The, it's a very good negotiation for us is problematic... It's not something the U.S. would use as a negotiating chip for China. But... the Chinese don't really see... They don't want something to negotiate.” — Ben Thompson (09:38-10:53)

• On Trump’s Taiwan Messaging:

  “He really keeps you guessing... some of his answers are outstanding and consistent with long standing policy. Some of his answers contravene longstanding traditions with how these issues are talked about in both directions.” — Bill Bishop (05:57)

• On De-Escalation:

  “I want them, the Taiwanese to cool down. I want China to cool down. I’m not looking to have somebody go independent...” — Donald Trump (quoted, 07:34-07:59)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:31: Lee Hao Kai’s analysis: US-China summit optics vs. reality.
• 01:53: Bill summarizes the strategic stalemate perspective.
• 02:59: CIA director’s visit to Cuba—a sign of underlying security maneuvering.
• 03:59: Transition to Taiwan; discussion on US policy language and arms packages.
• 05:28: Trump’s unprecedented public discussion of Taiwan arms sales with China.
• 06:56: Trump’s messaging discipline—how it collapses in the Baier interview.
• 07:34-08:20: Key Trump quotes about Taiwan status quo and independence.
• 09:16-09:38: Trump on using arms sales as leverage—why that’s unprecedented.
• 10:53-11:13: Why the arms package is not an actual negotiating chip for China.

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Tone and Style

• The episode features candid back-and-forth analysis, blending Bill’s and Ben’s deep policy knowledge with sharp skepticism about “feel good” summit messaging. There is a deliberate effort to separate substance from political theater, both in government and media framing. The conversation retains the signature blend of wry realism and policy wonkery the show is known for.

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Summary Conclusion:
The episode peels back the curtain on the performative elements of recent US-China diplomacy, exposing a calculated mutual stalling amid a strategic stalemate. Trump’s approach to Taiwan, both disciplined and erratic, provokes further uncertainty, especially amid his public use of arms sales as leverage—an unprecedented move deviating from longstanding US doctrine. For listeners, the main takeaway is that, despite the optics of progress, the core tensions and ambiguities in US-China relations remain unaltered.

Transcript

[Bill]

Foreign.

[Andrew Sharp]

Welcome to Sharp China. I'm Andrew Sharp and you are listening to a free preview of today's episode.

[Ben Thompson]

And then also, you know, the Chinese did agree to purchase an additional 17 billion per year of U.S. ag products prorated for this year and then the full amount next year and in 2028. Still not near the level it was before the first trade war started. Yeah, but a win for the president and for U.S. farmers and sort of

[Bill]

the bare minimum that the PRC side could offer in furtherance of constructing strategic stability, which is the goal of the chip. I mean, big picture. There was a note from a substack that you surfaced on cynicism Monday. This is from Lee Hao Kai. My overarching assessment, he writes, is that we must strictly distinguish the superficial optics of this summit from the true underlying nature of the relationship within China. Very few serious strategists are viewing these developments as positively as they appear. Instead of a genuine relationship recovery, he puts in quotation marks or a strategic reset. Some of the leading Chinese scholars interpret the current dynamic through the lens of hard nosed real politic. Tracking the assessments of prominent figures reveals that we might be witnessing a calculated stalling tactic from both sides designed to manage risk as both nations lock into a protracted strategic stalemate.

[Ben Thompson]

They get it. They're right.

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, that's pretty accurate to me.

[Ben Thompson]

And the question is how much does the Trump administration understand that? And I think there are people who do it. Does the president maybe, does he even focus on that level? Maybe not. But I think that there, there aren't any illusions in the US Government as far as I understand that this is some sort of massive breakthrough.

[Bill]

Right. And that's, I mean, if I were, if a friend asked me what's going on with the US And China and what was the summit last week all about? Particularly the phrase a calculated stalling tactic from both sides designed to manage risk as both nations lock into a protracted stalemate. That kind of nails it. And I like, in terms of constructing strategic stability, I don't worry as much about the phrasing because if the American goal is to keep Beijing happy and make Beijing feel like they're being heard and respected as the US Takes other steps around the world and take steps within the US economy that are strategically important, like then adopting the PRC's framing and phrasing as a superficial gesture makes sense to me in context with the last 10 or 15 years. I understand why others look at it as maybe more controversial. But to me, what was encouraging on the American side is that there were no big deals and no major concessions. At least publicly. I don't know.

[Ben Thompson]

At least publicly. And I think, I mean, the other thing we want, we should talk about Taiwan and what the President said about Taiwan. But first, I think it's also worth pointing out that, you know, and again, maybe it was coincidental, but I certainly don't think anyone in China would see it that way. Is that the CIA director, the day that Trump was meeting, we see the CIA director was in Havana, Cuba, meeting with Cuban officials.

[Bill]

Right.

[Ben Thompson]

And then a couple days later, one of the reports of, about his visit came out that said among his, his requests were that the, the Cubans stopped, you know, all intelligence cooperation with the Russians and the Chinese, which has been

[Bill]

a source of tension for about 10 years.

[Ben Thompson]

But, but, but again, on the Chinese side, you know, you're thinking like, we had this nice. Optics were good and everything looked happy. And, you know, each, each leader gave a nice toast at the fancy dinner, you know, and they, they, they went to the temple of heaven and they had a nice walk around. Joel Nah high. Right. And Trump's getting some rose seeds from, you know, from the beautiful roses in Joel Nahai. Right. To the plan and everything's great.

[Bill]

And then you read the Washington Post and it's like, oh, okay, so they're still doing all that. Right?

[Ben Thompson]

Right. No, and so, and so, again, in a lot of ways, nothing has changed is how I look at it. On the Taiwan bit, the President was, you know, there was a lot, There were concerns going in based on, you know, I certainly had heard some stuff and other people had, you know, that, that, okay. The Chinese really, you know, there was some talk, the Chinese been pushing the US to change what they say about Taiwan independence from, you know, we don't support Taiwanese independence to we oppose independence. Yeah, right. Which is it. Which would have been a significant shift and a significant, you know, again, it would have had, it would have been pocketed as a real, real win on the Chinese side and would have had significant, I think, propaganda value as well as potential implications in Taiwan domestic politics. That didn't happen so far. And multiple officials came out before, during, and after and said, our Taiwan policy has not changed. The other issue was this new arms package for Taiwan. The Financial Times had it at about 19 billion. The New York Times has it about 14 billion. The president said it was 12 billion. It's unclear. It's big, right? There was one in December that I think was 11 billion. This is bigger. The Chinese got really upset with the December 11billion package. And again, what I kept hearing was, you know, the Chinese, every time the US does an arms sale or announces one, they get upset, but they can handle it when it's a billion or two. The problem was the big package. Right. And that this new one was even bigger. And that got the Chinese really upset, that even the Chinese ambassador, when it was reported in the New York Times, I think, threatened to, you know, cancel the visit. Like the Chinese might cancel this trip.

[Bill]

So that came up in the course of conversations. According to Donald Trump.

[Ben Thompson]

According to Donald Trump. And then some people started losing their minds because, you know, according to Taiwan, according to Six Assurances, you know, the US Is not supposed to consult with the PRC on arms sales to Taiwan. The president said, we talked about it. Right. He said we might talk about it. And we said we talked about it. And some people got. He's violating six Assurances. You know what I've heard from people who are formers who want war in governments, other presidents have talked about it, but they just don't talk about it on TV publicly.

[Bill]

Yep. Well, the candor from Trump in the course of all these comments on Taiwan, it. He really keeps you guessing. You got to stay on your toes because some of his answers are outstanding and consistent with long standing policy. Some of his answers contravene longstanding traditions with how these issues are talked about in both directions. Like he'll talk about using Taiwan arms sales as a point of leverage and a negotiating tactic with Xi. He'll also talk about getting on the phone with William Lai, which no sitting president has done with the president of Taiwan since 1979. Trump was a president elect when he talked to the Taiwanese president in 2016, but that would be a problem in the eyes of the prc. So it's hard to know what to make of at least the, the interview with Brett Baer in particular.

[Ben Thompson]

Yeah, no, that's all over the place. That's what I'm going to say is, is actually the president was, was remarkably disciplined. And I think people were, who watch this closely were actually positively surprised by his messaging discipline around Taiwan. Until the Brett Bear interview. Yeah, right. And then sort of like the bottom fell out because, I mean, he, you know, we can put a, we can put a, a link to the, to the transcript in the show notes. I mean, he said some things that frankly are true again, but that usually you don't hear the US President talking about. He did call on both sides to cool down. Yeah. You know, he wants to, I want them, the Taiwanese to cool down. I want China to cool down. He says, I'm not looking to have somebody go independent, you know, you know, we are supposed to travel 9,500 miles for it to fight a war. I'm not looking for that. I want them to cool down. I want China to cool down. That's a, that's a, again, in a Trump reasonable way, but that's a reasonable statement. He also said, you know, they have somebody there now that wants to go independent. Lightning has certainly been, you know, he's a dpp, but he's not saying we want to go independent. But, you know, that's the president saying that is not great. He then says, you know, it's a tricky thing. It's a very risky thing when you go independent. You know, they're going independent because they want to get into war and they want to they figure they have the US United States behind them. I'd like to see it stay the way it is. I want the status quo, is what set saying with a little bit of stuff that's controversial in front of it. Right, right.

[Bill]

And a lot of people seized on that comment in particular and said, oh, the PRC got to him, Xi got to him, and he's now adopted China's framing of the situation. But that has been U.S. policy for the most part.

[Ben Thompson]

But again, he articulated things that, again, I think the Chinese are happy with some of this articulation, because it does, you know, he got, apparently he got quite the download on, you know, on Taiwan, and this is sort of channeling some of what he was hearing. Right. So that that is is problematic, you know, Brett Baer, should the people of Taiwan feel more or less secure after meetings with President Xi? DONALD TRUMP Neutral, neutral. This thing's been going on for years. Brett Bear, has the policy changed at all? DONALD TRUMP no, nothing has changed. Yeah, right. And then he talks about, you know, then he, you know, of course he has to talk about the chips and Taiwan's dealing with chips and everyone should move their chips back to the U.S. not great. Right. But then it was also American companies

[Bill]

who made a lot of the decisions

[Ben Thompson]

to and he says that no. And then Rep. Bear brings up the, you know, the arm sales, say, is that you're waiting on approving billions of dollars of weapons for Taiwan. Is that moving forward? DONALD TRUMP well, I have not approved it yet. We're going to see what happens. I may do it, I may not

[Bill]

do it holding that in abeyance.

[Ben Thompson]

And this is where I'll read the whole thing. This is where this gets A little problematic on a couple of levels. One is. So, Bret Bear, what's your hinge point? DONALD TRUMP I'm not going to say that, but I may do it, I may not do it, but we are not looking to have wars. And we are. If you kept it the way it is, I think China is going to be okay with that. There was a little bit of garbling there, but we were not looking to have somebody say, let's go independent because the US Is backing us. Bret Baer. So President Xi probably liked that you have not approved the weapons of Taiwan. Trump I would say like is maybe too strong a word because he thinks I could do it with just the signing of my signature. And then, of course, you have to have the gratuitous knock at Biden, quote. Unlike Biden, then, no, I'm holding that in a band. It depends on China. Depends. It's a very good negotiating trip for us, frankly. It's a lot of weapons. It's $12 billion. Right. So again, FT said 19. New York Times, I think is at 14. Trump is saying it's tropical. It's probably somewhere. It's in that ballpark. It's a big number. Right. The, it's a very good negotiation for us is problematic because one, the U.S. this goes back to the six assurances. This is not something the U.S. you know, would use as a negotiating trip for China. But two, even more, more important, I think is the Chinese don't really see. They, they, they don't want something to negotiate.

[Bill]

Not a point of negotiation.

[Ben Thompson]

No. And so, and so they would pocket the. You didn't do it, as opposed to like, okay, yeah, you don't sell the weapons, then we'll go. You know, there was some talk, oh, they'll help with this Iran, they'll help with the Strait of Hormuz. They'll help with Ukraine, yada, yada, yada.

[Bill]

So if used as a negotiating chip, that is just unlikely to move the Chinese on any issues.

[Ben Thompson]

I mean, it's one of those things where if he thinks it's a negotiating chip, it's like negotiating with himself.

[Andrew Sharp]

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