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NFL Week 11 Reactions - Bucs-Bills, Chiefs-Broncos, Bears-Vikings, Packers-Giants, Seahawks-Rams and more
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Simon Hunter
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Chad Millman
Welcome to Sharper Square presented by Hard Rock Bet. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network. This is the betting show that makes the squares sharper and makes the wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Millman. I am joined by my co host, my bff, my companion, my compadre professional better Simon Hunter. Hello Simon.
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Simon Hunter
Chad, how we doing?
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Chad Millman
Dude, it's late, late in the day. It's a long day. I'm losing it a little bit. A wild, wacky, insane set of games that we were involved in. Back doors that shouldn't have been back doors, almost back doors. Games that we left off the plate that we should have put on the plate. Games that we put on the plate that we're get. We're glad we put on the plate. Things went both ways for us which is how we are now. Two and two on the day. We won with the Browns plus eight and a half and Carolina plus three and a half. We lost with the Rams at three and the Bengals at five and a half. We have the Eagles minus one and a half in the contest, but we've been betting them two and a half all week. So we're on the Eagles two and a half. Tonight we're going to get to our early liens. A review of how we did on all of our picks. Your live comments all right, let's get into it. Cincinnati opening the day for us plus five and a half. Shocker. Shocker. There were 13 points in the first 10 minutes and then there were no points. I think until the end of the first half. It was a wacky, ugly, annoying, disgusting. Oh my God. We should have won this game a thousand different ways today.
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Simon Hunter
I don't know. I hated it. We just. I never trusted this number. Never made sense. And I was going to give you tons of credit because you looked like you were right for about 3/4 of the game because like you said that there was just no points and that's what you want when you have an ugly dog. They kept it close. Really was a game I felt like we were going to cover the whole time until what unebily was going to happen happened. That Flacco pick six. That's what burned us to me in the end.
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Chad Millman
Yeah, it was the Flacco pick six. The Bengals were shooting themselves in the foot sort of. As soon as the end of the first half ended. The Steelers started their last drive of the first half inside their 10. The Bengals on that drive had four penalties in six plays, including multiple rough in the path passers and a defensive pass interference before the drive ended at the end of the half with the field goal. And then like after that, like, Flacco had the pick six. They could never get the ball downfield. The Packer. The Steelers defense finally started to tighten up a little bit. It sort of turned into a Joe Flacco. The magic is over fast. What's really interesting about this, Jalen Warren left the game. Aaron Rodgers did not play in the second half. And I'll tell you, when we got Mason Rudolph to start the second half, I'm like, I can't believe we got this gift. But we did not get a gift.
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Simon Hunter
No. And it's another lesson. If the line's too good to be true, just stay away. We should have stayed away from this one. This line stunk. We fell into it and that was just a bad bet. Like you said, the Flacco stuff, we knew he was due for one of these games. Right. Flacco is not going to be out here throwing for 400 yards every week and multiple touchdowns. He was just off. He kept reaching to his shoulder and reacting after a couple big hits to it. And like you said, when a backup comes in, you're feeling pretty good. Especially when the defense is bl so well, like Cincinnati's defensive playing so well in that game. And like we said once, once Flacco just started turning over and making mistakes, it kind of all came crumbling down. So, yeah, this was definitely our worst bet of the day.
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Chad Millman
Yeah. And. And Jalen Ramsey got kicked out of the game.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah.
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Chad Millman
And we still couldn't get the ball downfield.
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Simon Hunter
No.
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Chad Millman
All right. Well, it's a bummer. That one hurt a little bit. You know what didn't hurt? This one made me so happy. Carolina plus three and a half at Atlanta. Because when we had the conversation this morning, it came down to the Raiders tomorrow night, who you've been pushing all week and I could not wrap my head around, and Carolina, who we both liked on Thursday. But then for some reason we got a little scared off because the line moved from three and a half to four. And I really thought we should just take Carolina. And there were moments in this game, especially when they were down 21 7, when I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? That I had to be the one to say, okay, let's put in Carolina because I can't abide by the Raiders. And now we're going to lose this one too. And I know I'm going to have to sit with this for 24 hours and then, then watch the Raiders cover tomorrow night. I, I needed the Panthers, I needed Bryce Young to have a record setting day for himself.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, you, you just needed Bryce Young with 440 yards and three touchdowns and he delivered for you. Chad. I, no, I, I liked it. My fear was what we always talk about, the numbers do matter and the number had moved and when a books, a bunch of books are showing four and a half, I just didn't get it. Like we, we keep talking about this Atlanta team is not good. I did not get the line movement. I was worried there was something I was missing. And yeah, we, we got lucky. In my opinion, like this coach tried giving this game away in so many different ways where he just needs to trust his team. Like, I get it, they give out 21 points in the first half. They dominated the second half. And he was still going for it on weird fourth downs in his own zone. And instead of kicking field goals, he's going for the fourth down on the opposite side of the field. And especially when Kirk Cousins came and he still was doing very weird things. It was like, Kirk can't complete the ball five yards downfield. It was just very bizarre. Carolina was a much better team. Like you said, it's, it's a big deal when a team could go on the road, give up 21 points in the first half, and then hold that same team to 6 points in the second half. And on the flip side, Bryce Young, 9 points in the third quarter, 8 points in the fourth quarter, and then, you know, 3 points in that overtime. Like, that's, that's big, big time play by Bryce Young. So half a game out. Carolina Panthers are first place in that Division. It's a really fun team right now.
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Chad Millman
Don't forget, don't forget nine in the third quarter, eight in the fourth quarter, three in the overtime. From the final two minutes of the first half through overtime, Carolina outscored the Falcons 23 to 6. Like they were all over the Falcons in that game. And you mentioned Pennix Penix left the game a knee injury or what looked like a lower body injury. I, I didn't get confirmation on what it was, but he was limping a little bit. Kirk Cousins came in and, and he had a really good drive for the end of the game to tie the score. But generally he was pretty dreadful and looked like a very aged, aged backup. In this game, the run game for the Falcons, this is what we worried about and I think it's why the line moved a little bit. Bijan Robinson had 93 yards in the first half. And what was interesting to me was the Panthers got so much better at defending the run in the second half partially because of Kirk Cousins, but he only ended the game with 100 yards. Like the Panthers got so staunch in the second half of that game.
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Simon Hunter
Now, I thought we were cooked. I don't know what you are. I thought this was deader than dead because like you said, they could not stop the run. And I was. We were about a half a hit away from Andy Dolan entering the game for the remainder of the game.
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Chad Millman
Well, look, Bryce Young, I thought, I thought we were cooked too, until they scored and went down the field because all of a sudden Bryce Young looked like Bryce Young again. And he was throwing dimes, he was moving up in the pocket, he was scrambling. He made some really good throws. He was thrown into very, very tight windows. Our good friend Jason Benetti calling the game and he had a great call on the first touchdown pass to McDonald. He's like, he threw it to him. You know, he was in a phone booth and he got it to him. He was great. Bryce Young. We'll talk about that a little bit. You know what, let's talk about it now. In the second half in overtime, 20 of 27 for 318 of his. What was it? 448, 48 yards. I mean, an incredible day. Who to your point? I think he looked like he was about to leave that game at least three times, including, I think the play you're talking about where they had the ball on their side of the 50 with three minutes left or something like it. It's fourth down and one. They're down 22, 19. I think 2419 and no, no 20. 2219 and they. No. 21 19. Sorry. They go for it. Bryce Young gets stepped on, falls and can barely get up and walk and the Falcons score the field goal. And then Bryce Young drives him down the field for a touchdown to put to give him the lead with a minute left. He was valiant. He, he was courageous. He was glorious. He put the team on his back. When they go back to Carolina, they're going to be like, Bryce Young, you are our quarterback. And Dave Canales, you are coach. And Tepper the owner is going to be like, of course I was a genius for trading up to get Bryce Young. That's what I think they're going to feel.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. Vibes are high. And on the flip side of the Falcons, I think that's their fifth straight loss. So 3 and 7, pretty disastrous start. 3 and 2 and then you lose five straight.
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Chad Millman
3 and 7. Right now you got to believe that this might be the end for Raheem Morris. I don't know how they can keep him around because they've just been losing all these close games. And at some point when you're losing close games, that's the coaching. And so I think that's going to be a real challenge for them at the end of this season.
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Simon Hunter
I would say if you're the defensive coach and Bryce Youngstone for almost 450 yards on you, probably changes are in store.
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Chad Millman
Not great. Also not great getting backdoored by the Seattle Seahawks. They were three point underdogs at Los Angeles. The Rams were our brass balls bet of the week. They got two first quarter touchdowns. Then from the end of the first quarter through the middle of the third quarter, they had five plays to the Seahawks 41. They gave up four field goals. The time of possession was 20 minutes for the Seahawks. 21 minutes for the Seahawks, four minutes for the Los Angeles Rams. Through the first through that next 25 minutes. It was really incredible what happened. The Rams four picks of Darnold. They should have won that game by so many points. Simon, that's a rough one. That, that one hurt. That was at that. That one. My wife had been out all day. She came home and she looked at me and she goes this, this isn't good.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, no, that's one of those games that makes you kind of hate sports. But it honestly where you get, you get, get done in by the hook there. In a game where I think the announcers said it, they scored a touchdown for the first time the entire game with 2 minutes and 23 seconds left in that game and this is a game in which the quarterback threw four picks. So, yeah, I think we both expected to have a much better performance by this Rams team that they did at least score their red zone trips. I say that's one credit to them or the Seahawks. They couldn't. But it was just a non. I don't know how to describe the Stafford game. He had like, he never got in rhythm. Sure, that could be some of his fault, but when he's 15 of 28 for 130 yards and two touchdowns, it's like there has to be a lot of plays he left on the field there. So I think we mean, you both agreed. I just feel like McVeigh called it very, you know, conservative. Yeah. And just didn't want to make the mistake because he knew Sam Darnold was making all the mistakes. So it's. It's just like we said, bad luck where you get all those turnovers and they're not getting three out of any of them.
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Simon Hunter
Like that turnover at midfield at the end of the game there. All we needed then was just get a first down. Would have got three. Like they would have been up at that point. Been up 15. Would have covered the field goal, no problem. And yeah, we got burned by the back door, but can't. Can't get too upset about it. We live and die by the back door all the time and this time we died by it.
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Chad Millman
Well, we died. I. I died a couple times today by the back door. And it was truly excruciating. And I believed it was going to happen again with Chad's choice. Cleveland plus eight and a half against the Baltimore Ravens in Cleveland. Thank God for Miles Garrett. Myles Garrett had four sacks by early in the third quarter of this game. He got his 12th sack of the year in the first quarter. That's as many as the Ravens had all year at the time. I think he currently has more by himself than the Ravens have had all year. And up until the very end, the Browns defense was doing everything they can. They kept the Ravens out of that end zone. They were playing so well, really, without an offense. Zero on offense. Dylan Gabriel left the game after the first half. Shador Sanders came in. I think everyone can stop talking about Shador Sanders. Right. Because yeah, that was an embarrassing performance.
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Simon Hunter
It was. But it's also a tough spot where it's a guy that has never gotten first team reps and he comes in cold and he goes fourth. 16 passing, like just disastrous. And a pick which.
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Chad Millman
And an intentional grounding. You could argue touchdown.
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Simon Hunter
Like he just, if he just came in and could run the offense at some, some level where Dylan Gabriel, as much as you like to give him, and he wasn't even that good in this game, he was at least 7 for 10. He protected the ball. You know, he moved it for the offense. So like you said, I, I mean, it's brutal. We didn't get the outright win as a Browns and I think the Browns fans, it's brutal. But that number was never in doubt. And we all, like you said, the fear was Sanders gets the ball back and is trying to set up a drive to win the game. Me and you've both seen that movie plenty of times. The young guys that came with their strip sack, whatever, it can easily turn into seven points other way. So on a day that things didn't really go away, in some ways, I feel like this one in every way went our way. So I'll take that with the Browns, anytime. The, the number of the hook, never in doubt, right. The seven and a half. We were lucky in the contest, graded eight and a half. So, you know, people listening. We talked all week about it. It never moved off that seven and a half. Right. That Lamar injury news came out. It went from eight and a half to seven and a half and just stuck there all week. So. Nice, nice read by us and obviously a really great read by the book.
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Chad Millman
Yeah, I was convinced we were going to get backdoored in that game. I do think if, if the Ravens end up scoring a touchdown when they're down 16, 13, if the, if the Browns defense doesn't hold up right there, I'm convinced they score a touchdown. And then on the ensuing drive, Derrick Henry does what he did, which was get, you know, break a huge run, and we end up getting screwed. I saw it. I saw it in my mind's eye. Cause it's not like we didn't see today teams that were down with five minutes left and relatively big favorites. And we'll talk about this in a second. Come back and cover with ease. So because of what happened with the Rams, because of what happened with the Bengals, I was like, this is not going our way. So I'm glad you kept the faith because I didn't have any.
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Simon Hunter
No, it was a good number. And like we talk all the time, this, this Browns team at home, they've been very, very good to us and profitable. We're going to keep hitting it, obviously, but we're going to start being a little wiser. Pick our spots because the secret's out. Everybody. Everybody was talking about this week. So the books will catch up eventually.
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Chad Millman
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Chad Millman
Let's quickly talk about Houston to Tennessee. Because Tennessee was a six and a half point dog, the Texans from the beginning, Texaned when it came to the red zone. They get to the red zone, they miss a field goal. First play, first series of the game, miss a field goal. Jeffrey Simmons is called for a penalty. They take the field goal or they, they get to move the ball up. They get to the one yard line, first and goal, they go backwards. They get back to the one yard line. They can't score the ball from the one yard line on fourth down. Instead they get sacked. They're driving in the second down. A field goal, third and short. Another sack knocks them out of field goal range. It still never felt like they were out of it. Once they got into the third quarter, they just started dominating offensively. And then, you know, like we saw with the Seahawks, there's one drive at the end of the game that was truly gut wrenching, like sickening. Sickening, sickening.
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Simon Hunter
So you play the number though. Like you said, Tennessee had no business being in that game. Everything we said was true that. I just, we just did not see how Tennessee would be able to move the ball offensively against this, Houston's defense. And it shaped up that way. They lost Calvin Ridley.
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Chad Millman
Yeah.
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Simon Hunter
To this for the rest of the season. Their number two receiver, I think got banged up as well in this game. Like they just were losing guys. Houston let him hang around. And that's what football, most of football is. You let a team hang around and let them hang around and they're gonna, they're gonna eventually get theirs. And this has been Cam Ward. This is how camward covers now. Chad, we kind of have a read on this kid. They played dead. He'll do nothing for three and a half quarters and then he'll have one important drive for gamblers and he gets the back door for him. So thank God we didn't have this one in. I think it was seven and a half hour contest. We avoided it. The pros are all over Tennessee. Great read by them. Bad read by us being on the Texans.
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Chad Millman
Texans have the best defense in the NFL. They were dominating this game. At one point Will Anderson had a sack, a fumble recovery. They're up by seven, 13 to six. I think there's three minutes left, something like that. The Titans have the ball in the five yard line, their own. They convert multiple third downs. They go 95 yards. In the entire game, the Texans only had five penalties. Two of them were on that drive. Did you know that? Did you know that, Simon? Did you know that?
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Simon Hunter
Luckily, the book was nowhere near the TV of this game. And I'll be totally honest with you.
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Chad Millman
That drive included two penalties, one of which was a pass interference. Another was a hands to the face after Cam Ward had scrambled to like the Texan side of the field. So it moved even closer. At any point, they could have stopped him one more time and forced him to try to kick a field goal. Oh no, they couldn't. They could have stopped him one more time. They couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. It was. It just made me sad. As joyous as I was about the Browns, I was sad about the Texans because they gave that one away. You know who was probably really happy today, Tommy? Matthew Mitchell. Because thank God, all week we kept saying there's something fishy about Tampa Bay. We can't figure out why nobody's betting on the Bucs. And by the time the game, this game kicked off with the Buffalo Bills, they were six and a half point underdogs. Moved from five and a half to six and a half. We avoided all week. We didn't get suckered in even this morning. We found a way not to talk about it, not to put it in. We. This game was so drunk, it's ridiculous. I assume you watch this one in the book.
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Simon Hunter
Oh yeah, this was. This is a big one. Yeah, it's just another game, just like Cincy. We talked. It was just a fishy line. And the books don't give away two or two or three free points. And that's what I feel like they're doing. The spot just did not make sense that Bill's defense is not good enough to be that big of a favorite. And they're not. It's. It's Josh Allen, he's big enough to be that big of a favorite. It's Josh Allen's best game we've ever seen him play.
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Colin Coward
Buffalo Bills superstar, incredibly handsome quarterback.
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Chad Millman
Fires it into wide open remarkable Josh goodness.
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Simon Hunter
And there he goes inside the 10 to 5. Oh, the player of the year in the NFL.
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Chad Millman
Allen toward the end zone. A laser beam touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. An excuse me touchdown from Josh Allen.
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Chad Millman
This is impossible. Strike.
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Simon Hunter
And the Bills are pouring it on.
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Colin Coward
The Bills were unstoppable. Josh Allen setting records.
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Simon Hunter
Be good, do good. God bless and go Bills. Baker, he brought it today. And we, we. The first noticeable difference in this game right away from the get go was Baker was using his legs unlike the other games and that you saw how game, how much of a game changer is from offensively. But Baker can only do so much like it just was never ending the onslaught by Josh Allen. He's just so talented. This was just a Josh Allen type of game. Like right when you're doubting them. He has these exact type of moments in these games. So I'm gonna go back and watch it again because it's, it's rare you see a quarterback throw for three touchdowns and rush for three touchdowns. It's just an all time game. So yeah, honestly we were talking before the show, it felt like every game lived up to the hype today in the NFL. Like every big game that was talked about hyped up, big matchup, the playoff atmosphere type of matchups live up to. And this was one of them. The Bucs felt like they were into the entire game and just at the very end the Bills pulled away and covered this number. So yeah, thank God we avoided it. It was a fishy line all week for sure. 15 and a half closed at 45 and a half. So Jesus, I know a lot of buddies pros who hammered that weather under. It was really windy, supposed to be bad weather up. It didn't look that way at all. I think they had like 40 points midway through their third quarter. So brutal, brutal bet if you had that under in that game.
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Chad Millman
Five minutes left, the Bucks were up 32, 31 as six and a half point underdogs. Like when if you had the Bucks you would have been so freaking psyched you would thought even if the Bill score again because this game had gone back and forth, back and forth at that point there had been nine lead changes in the game that to the point where the bucks were up 32, 31. Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. You still would have thought, okay, the Bills, even if they score here, they'll.
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Simon Hunter
Come down the two pointer, it'll, it'll.
- [34:30]
Chad Millman
Come down to right. It'll be like the Bucks are going to get another shot. And the way they've been scoring, there's a good chance they'll be able to score here. The fact that the Bucks, the Bill scored on the next drive and then scored again to end up covering that game. Oh my goodness. The only person I was thinking about that whole time was Matt Mitchell. Like he must have been sick to his stomach. He can't come on the show right now because of the way we, we record it now, which is a bummer because maybe he can give us a little bit of a recording for Tuesday because golly gee, that was a brutal game. As a Bills fan, for about 57 minutes.
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Simon Hunter
And as much as I'm bad mouthing their defense, they scored that touchdown to take the lead. 37, 32, 3. And out by big.
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Chad Millman
Gotta stop.
- [35:21]
Simon Hunter
Yeah, they gotta stop. Got Josh on the ball back and like we always say, it's, it's crazy how when he's on it just doesn't matter who the defense is and what they're throwing at him. He just went right down the field and scored another touchdown.
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Chad Millman
So maybe it's because Keon Coleman was a healthy scratch.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, that's crazy.
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Chad Millman
Maybe that's what inspired him. Arizona. Screw him. This is what I want to say about Arizona Classic. Cardinals start opening kickoff. The Niners return it to the one score a touchdown. So now the Cardinals are down immediately. They punt. Niners score another touchdown. They miss a field goal. Then they end the half with a block field goal only to get called for a penalty. The Niners kick it and make it so they open the game with a special team snafu. They close the game with the special. The, the half with the special teams snafu. And then they're keeping it close. I think it's 25, 25 or 28, 10, 4th and 1. They go for it from midfield. Great call, great run. Touchdown. Guy gets called for holding 10 yards away from the play. That was the Arizona Cardinals in a nutshell. However, Jacoby Brissette threw an NFL record 47 completions.
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Simon Hunter
I was not like, I'll be honest, I did not watch a second of this game. There were just other better games that. I love that you brought this one up. Let's talk the Broncos Chiefs game. That's a Way better game.
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Chad Millman
I was watching the Broncos Chiefs game, but we had talked about the Cardinals, so I want to make sure we reference the Cardinals at some point on this show. We had talked about it a lot during the week. Look, Kansas City, Denver, Denver close four and a half. You like Denver all week. I think we both got spooked by the pushback. We were hearing from the books and from wise guys because this line was moving and we couldn't understand why. You almost made it, Simon says, when it was Denver three and a half and it went the other way and Denver did. Denver, man, their defense was amazing and they made Patrick Holmes look confused and they came off the bye and were terrible. And Bo Nix all of a sudden is throwing the passes we've been asking him to make for two freaking weeks.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, and just an all time game though, that, you know, not that we've been waiting for my homes to be dethroned, but we've been waiting for him to trip up at least. Right. He's just had this insane run where every year they're making the AFC championship game. That's not. That's not natural. Football should not be that way. The greatest quarterback ever, Tom Brady, had a bunch of trip ups. Like it just happens. It's really stupid. So it makes amazing moments in football. And that's what today was. It's. What do you dream about if you're a Broncos fan? Like, it's a game that, you know, I love them so much because it just felt like everybody was leaving them for dead after that Thursday game where football just doesn't work that way. It's just up and down week to week. And you saw today when Bo Nix is on, it's a really good offense, like Sean Payne schemes, guys wide open. And he had a bunch of opportunities today and he did create his own stuff. I'll give Bo some credit for that. But that crazy stat just about them basically, when they're coming off a game where they are horrible in the red zone with Sean Payton as a head coach, he's now 161 against the spread in games where the week before they fail to score more than one time in the red zone. So just something to keep in mind, he just gets the guys to bounce back, coaches them up. And in this game, I mean, they just hung in it. They outplayed Mahomes in a lot of ways and you know, Mahomes had his opportunities and he just didn't live up to it in the moment. Right. The. The Denver defense, they made the right moves this offseason got the right pieces and got guys that can make stops. So it's just crazy to think Denver, I mean this, not that it sealed them to win this division, but it truly is all in their own hands now. Like if they just win three, four more games, they're going to lock up this division. That's a huge deal. But for someone like me, it makes me excited to know I'm going to get my homes on the road potentially as a dog in the playoffs. So. Well, we'll see when that, that point comes.
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Chad Millman
Broncos and Patriots are steaming towards division titles right now. Colts are too. I don't think anyone had that parlay of Colts, Broncos, Patriots.
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Simon Hunter
Someone out there has got to someone.
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Chad Millman
I'm sure someone will tweet their ticket soon and figure out what the cash out offer is from whoever is wherever they made the bet. But good for all these teams. Great game, super fun game to watch. Back and forth, back and forth. Really physical, really intense. Untimely and irregular turnovers by Patrick Mahomes. Look, you're not wrong. Just look at the Chargers. Two weeks ago they dominate the Steelers. Today they get dominated by the jags. Like two weeks ago. 10 days ago the Broncos can't score against the Raiders and today they're throwing the ball up and down the field against the Chiefs. Like football's different every single time.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah and that was just like we said, a unique spot where I loved it. But I was interested to see how Bonix would react to all the outside noise that they know inside that building that this is them. They're a huge underdog. It's Mahomes off a buy. And if they win this game, they are three and a half games up on this Chiefs team. Like that's, that's a big deal that he was in this big moment was level headed enough. Bo Nix where you saw some other quarterbacks like Sam Darnold in a big moment completely melt. I mean the guy threw four picks like Bo Nick.
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Chad Millman
Yeah.
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Simon Hunter
Could have easily melted in this spot. Could have not shown up like he did the week before and he totally showed up and redeemed himself. So I have such a hard time reading Bo Nicks now. It's like now I want to fade him next week because we know he's just going to lay an egg coming up and it's just what he does. So it's. I get why people didn't love this game, wanted to avoid it, but I'm just glad it came down to the number of playing the number and Shocking. Shocking. The Broncos won this game outright.
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Chad Millman
How about the Chicago Bears? These cardiac. Caleb's the. They just keep doing their thing at the end of the game. Could have put it away so many freaking times. I don't know if J.J. mcCarthy is a bettable quarterback because that is an excruciating and frustrating. And even Justin Jefferson seems like he's just about to lose it right now. And listening to Tom Brady do that game. He, like, tried so hard to make every excuse for J.J. mcCarthy about the intangibles he has and then tried to talk about how he could correct the tangible things that he's doing terribly. Mainly the bad decision making and the inaccurate passes and. And throwing it to the wrong team. It's a brutal watch. If you're a Vikings fan and he. And Caleb is. He's working magic right now. He's turning into something else. I've always loved Caleb Williams. I've always loved that kid.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. No, this. This game is. It was, like I said going into it, it's a must watch. I'm addicted to betting this Bears team, it's just. There's nothing like it. Every week it's super close, and they just find a way to make it close when they shouldn't be. They should either be blowing teams out or they should be getting blown out. And they just keep finding a way. And yeah, in a game in which, you know, Caleb was 16 of 32 and JJ McCarthy was 16 of 32, you wouldn't be like, oh, that was a fun, exciting game, but it really was as sloppy as it was. You know, it's. It's exciting to see the future of these two coaches. Hopefully for a long time, would be on head to head even if these two quarterbacks are not the answers. But I still think. But both of these guys, they both did stuff in this game. I really like, like, Caleb's pocket presence, some of the moves he made. Yeah, you just. You can see it. You see the potential there. And same with JJ I know it's ugly. There's a lot of throws that were just terrible. Him missing wide open guys, but he also had a couple passes. You're like, okay, this kid obviously has a ton of talent. It's just he's on a team that people had playoff expectations for, and he is nowhere near the quarterback they need to get him to that place. So it sucks if you're a Minnesota fan. I mean, I. I'm sure there's some Minnesota fans out there. Like, I don't even believe in this guy. Let's just draft a new quarterback this upcoming year. But I feel like you have to give them the rest of the season and next season. It's just the NFL is so complicated. He's running such a complicated offensive scheme. What I see as a quarterback thinking before he throws and reacting to the offense rather than a guy that's just playing within the offense. And you know, it's. You can just tell you just said the jitters. Like there's a bunch of throws today. The Bears, we were talking before he came on, the Bears could have won this game by 20 points. Like, he just was so turnover prone. Couldn't do anything offensively. We're on the flip side, you know, this Bears team, Caleb kind of held him back where you guys once again felt like you're running the ball whenever you wanted. I think they ran for 140 yards. You know, it got shut down a little bit in the fourth quarter, but that's just because Minnesota was selling out to stop it. But yeah, as a various fan, you're seven and three. If the Lions lose tonight, are you guys leading the division? I'm pretty sure. Or maybe you're tied for with Green Bay. It's just, it's an incredible spot to be through 11 weeks. If you're a Bears team. I just, I can't believe they're a legit playoff contender.
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Chad Millman
7 and 3. And don't look now, but we are favorites against the Pittsburgh Steelers next week. It's going to make it interesting, my friend.
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Simon Hunter
Okay. Because that's. That's a Mason Rudolph line, though.
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Chad Millman
Assuming. Assuming it's amazing. Who knows? Like at this point? We'll talk about it in a second.
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Simon Hunter
Well, I think Pittsburgh, if I remember right, was a favorite this morning. So that's why I think it moved. Because Pittsburgh won big. It wouldn't move.
- [45:45]
Chad Millman
Oh, interesting.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah.
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Chad Millman
Okay.
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Chad Millman
Simon. Shame, shame, shame, shame. Who is your shamed team unit player moment today?
- [49:48]
Simon Hunter
David Canalis. I got beef with him. Shame on you, David. He coached that game in so many weird ways. I just hated it so much. Where his defense was dominating that second half and he was playing, he was coaching Carolina offense like they were playing against an absolute juggernaut on the other side. Like they have an easy fourth and two. Kick a field goal, you'll be down by two in the third quarter. He goes for it. Turnover on downs. Okay, Not a big deal, right? Those things happen. It's the fourth quarter now, and then when they're still in the same spot, they're down by two points. This man goes for it on his own, I think 32, luckily gets it on 4th and 1 and then goes for it again and I think on his own 40 on 4th and 1 and doesn't get for it. This is when there's like four minutes left in the game. He has all three timeouts. And once again, his defense to this point is only giving up three points. And it's Kirk Cousins on the field. And this is what this man's doing. Down two points. So he goes for his own 40, gets stopped. Look, God, thank God. Once again, Kirk Cousins is the quarterback. He goes three and out. So they have to kick a field goal. He is now down five and then gets the ball back. So it's like there is no. He can't lie and say, well, my guys told me to do. There is no math. That's telling you. That's a good decision to go from your own 30, especially when your defense is playing the way they did in that second half and he just almost cost us. And at that point I was losing my mind because we had already basically at this point, since then, I've been blown out. And yeah, not that I was having sick thoughts about Chad here, but I was definitely like, oh, my God, he mushed my Carolina bet, making us put it as goddamn contest. But you didn't, Chad. They went outright. So shame on David, but good for us.
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Chad Millman
Look, it's interesting because there's a little bit of a comp with what. And this isn't my shame, but Sean McVay, he wasn't aggressive enough with his play calling. I think when it came to short Yardage, kept running the ball, kept running the ball in the middle of the field. I don't know if he just felt like that's what the only option was and that against that defense and Stafford wasn't on one, but they did not put themselves in a good position to put that game away. And this has been a consistent theme with Sean McVay this year, is he hasn't been aggressive enough in times when they needed to be aggressive. So it's interesting to me, like there's a perfect mirror there between what Canalis was doing when he was down and what McVay was doing when he was up.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah.
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Chad Millman
Okay. My shame, shame, shame. How can it not be the Houston Texans defense? But you got Cam Ward on the five yard line with three and a half, four minutes left in the game to ice it and you let the guy go. 95 yards, multiple penalties, a 38 yard over the shoulder diving catch by their tight end. You're getting beat over the top and covered by a tight end. You are supposed to be the best defense in the league and I know you won the game, but you need to be better than putting the ball back in the hands of Davis Mills and hoping that a guy who really has not been adequate as a quarterback since C.J. stroud went out, even though you've won a couple of games, look at his numbers. You're not winning those games because of Davis Mills. Shame on you for putting the ball back in his hands and making him be the one who wins you a game that, that you had to have. If you don't win that game, you're now a sub.500 team. And the percentage chance you have of making the playoff goes from 31% if you're where you are, which is 500 to 9%. And you would be the only team in the history of the NFL in the super bowl era to have a defense that ranks at the top of the categories that you rank at and not make the playoffs. Shame on you, Houston Texans, for letting Cam Ward almost snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
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Simon Hunter
Shame, shame, shame.
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Chad Millman
Simon, who is your hero of the week?
- [54:08]
Simon Hunter
It's gotta be Bryce Young. Bryce Young. You're my hero. I just can't believe it. We were deader than dead. He had to throw for almost 450 yards, three touchdowns. Just an incredible performance. You know, this is a guy that basically we had all left him for dead, career over. Andy Dalton got in a car accident and that little break, whatever it was, the three, four games he had time off and then Came back and once Andy got hurt, he's just been a change man. Even this year he's had down games, but you know, we've been waiting for him to have these type of games where he just bounces back and he did in a big way today. So. Yeah. My hero of the week, Bryce Young. Thank you so much, sir, for that cover.
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Chad Millman
My hero of the week is on the other side of the ball and is as equally responsible for our other win today as Bryce Young was for the Panthers. And that of course would be Myles Garrett. Four sacks, I think two tackles for loss on the year. I think he has 15 sacks, I think ties him for his career high in sacks. First guy to start his career with 12 sacks or more and more in every season. 20 tackles for losses so far this year. His record for that is 22. That was last year. Think about this. The guy's got five games left and he's already. Who already has been one of the greatest defensive ends in NFL history. A record setting defensive end. And he has five games to shatter all of his personal records. He's the only reason we covered that game today. Every single time it seemed like the Ravens had an opportunity to move the ball down the field or to get a little momentum. Myles Garrett was in Lamar Jackson's grill and I think it changed everything about that game. And I just feel bad that he's got to play on a team like the Browns, who, I don't know, maybe they'll get lucky next year and draft Fernando Mendoza from Indiana University because that's the pace that they're on right now.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, I would say the Browns never thought they'd have a better, a better player in the history of their franchise than Jim Brown. Miles keeps us up for another two, three years.
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Chad Millman
Give him a run.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna be really close because just we've never seen a freak athlete like this who just can stay healthy and consistently get his on a team that, you know he's the guy and that's. You gotta take him away and you just, you can't stop it. So it's. It truly is crazy to see what we're watching.
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Chad Millman
Jim Brown, Ozzy Newsome, Bernie Kozar, Miles Garrett. I think that's probably the top four right there for the Cleveland Browns. All right, Simon says was Las Vegas plus three and a half. Chad's choice was Cleveland plus eight and a half. Brass balls was the Rams minus three. Lost that one rock and hard play is Philadelphia minus two and a half. Sharp versus Square. You can sense my bitterness on this Houston game because they were my sharp versus square. You had Carolina plus three and a half. Nice work. The favorites parlay. Are you ready? Rams. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ravens. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Houston. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Green Bay pushing against Jamis at seven, but they won and we got Philadelphia tonight. So we're 40 in the favorites parlay. The underdog parlay. We got Carolina. We lost with I think Arizona and Cincinnati. Let's talk about some early leans. One of our commenters just wants us to know that Brock Purdy is back. How do we feel about that? Do we think Brock Purdy is back? Do we think this Niners team is back with Brock Purdy?
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Simon Hunter
I believe it. When they win two games in a row, they're on this crazy streak where they just don't win and cover they're after they win a game. So yeah, we'll see. Like, you look good today. Made some great throws, but that air errors in the defense. It's a lot of weeks in a row now. They just are giving up tons and tons of points.
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Chad Millman
Well, speaking of San Francisco and early liens, right now they are seven point favorites against the Carolina Panthers and Monday Night football in week 12. Our darling Panthers going out to the Bay Area and they're seven point underdogs against San Francisco.
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Simon Hunter
I know, I can't believe it. Like my initial instincts is exactly what you're alluding to. It's like, aren't we hammering this Panthers number? This is the scene. Insane number this. This. The 49ers defense is so banged up. Yeah, they got away with that tag in terrorism, but Chad said it from the top. I mean 47 completions, NFL record is what they gave up this week. Like it's still a bad defense. So. Yeah. Can Purdy get his. I'm sure he can. We just. We saw Carolina's defense get rolled. We've also seen Carolina's defense go on the road and play pretty well in a couple different spots like that in Green Bay and against. I mean, I guess it's the jets don't really count, but still they showed up, they got the stop. So yeah, that's for early lines. I'm going to grab it and we'll see as the week goes along. I just can't believe that's what they opened that number at.
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Chad Millman
Feels. Feels very, very.
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Simon Hunter
But they know what they're doing. It's a Monday night. They know they're going to take a lot of 49ers money.
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Chad Millman
Exactly. Another one that jumped out at me. Only because of what happened this week. Tampa Bay. I don't have an opinion on this game yet, but I want to get yours. Tampa Bay at the Rams. The Rams are six and a half point favorites against the Bucks. If this is Tuesday, we're having the same conversation. Doesn't this feel big for the Bucks?
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. Again, what are we missing here? This is an insane.
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Chad Millman
Right.
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Simon Hunter
Insane number. So, yeah, I get, I'll, I'll be a sucker with it. I'll take it for now. But this is a definitely game. I'm excited to see my model has it at and I got to dive more into. But the only thing I think of is we're just underrating how bad this book's defense is. And they've struggled against good passing offenses, but my God, that is a lot of points to get Baker after two really bad losses. Like, it just, we think, sure, he might lose three games in a row. I don't know if I could see him not covering in three straight games. This just feels like a spot to back Baker.
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Chad Millman
I know I'm gonna get kicked in the head for saying this, especially if we don't know what's happening tonight, but next week, the New York Giants are visiting the Detroit Lions. And if there's ever been a team that will look to run the ball 75 times against a really bad rushing defense, it is the Detroit Lions against the New York Football Giants. It's a huge number. I get it. But I look at that and I think, all right, maybe the Lions are going to lose tonight. Maybe that's going to be where they get back home. They play a really weak rushing defense and they get an opportunity to thrive.
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Simon Hunter
I think you're going somewhere totally different. Seattle minus 12 and a half at Tennessee.
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Chad Millman
I saw that.
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Simon Hunter
That is where you want to be, Chad. Seattle off a loss. They dominate bad teams, especially this year. They've absolutely throttled bad teams. Oh, my God, is this a horrible spot for Tennessee? I mean, just, I know they stole one today against Davis. Mills, this is Sam Darnold. Get right.
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Chad Millman
I'm with you. I could totally see it. I don't have a problem.
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Simon Hunter
I'm gonna grab this now because it's under 13. I think this gets up to 13. I just, I, I, I'll, I'll probably get there within the lines. But for big, big spreads early, I'm gonna grab that Seattle one.
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Chad Millman
All right. What else am I missing?
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Simon Hunter
Again, just funky lines I don't get. You can get Colts plus three and a half right now against the Chiefs. I get it there. It's them outdoors, it's Daniel Jones against this Chiefs team. But I don't know if the Chiefs can stop Jonathan Taylor. Like I've seen their run defense and I think this is actually a real favorable matchup for this cold team. So that's just a line just like with Denver. I'm going to hit it early, just see what the pros do for it. Maybe this does get driven up to four again just like Denver did. But I am shocked they open Colts plus three and a half. Just, just seems like a good spot where I get the public keeps back in this Chiefs team. They can't keep losing. But that's. That feels like a heavy price to pay for that hook. I'm shocked they opened it with the hook. A game you talked a little bit about Pittsburgh is plus three.
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Chad Millman
Yeah, I was just gonna say that game moved from two and a half.
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Simon Hunter
I'm gonna take it just, just in case. Rogers wrist is fine. He gets comes back even if it's Mason Rudolph. I honestly don't hate this number. I just. It's like we keep saying this Bears team, it's got to run out and all they do is win one possession games. This is a one possession number. So Bears could win it but by more than a field goal. I feel like that's a hefty, hefty price to ask of this team.
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Chad Millman
All right, look, we won with the Browns plus eight and a half. We won with the Panthers plus three and a half. We lost with the Rams minus three. We lost with the Bengals plus five and a half. We got the Eagles tonight. The current line is two and a half. We are two and two on the day. This has been Sharper Square presented by Hard Rock bet. We are part of the Volume Podcast network. We will be back with our next Sharper Square on Tuesday to go over the entire NFL slate. You can watch us in Sharper Square at YouTube like and subscribe. Also download us from Spotify, Apple pods, wherever you get your pods rate, review, subscribe. I believe it's five stars. Say whatever you want. Feedback is a gift. Until next time. Love you.
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Simon Hunter
Hey, let's be careful.
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Colin Coward
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HBCU Coca Cola Announcer
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Chad Millman
All.
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HBCU Coca Cola Announcer
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Simon Hunter
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Sponsor Announcer
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Simon Hunter
This is an Iheart podcast.